In today's flashback, an outtake from Episode 373, my conversation with author Bud Smith. The episode first aired on July 29, 2015.Bud Smith works heavy construction and lives in Jersey City, NJ. He is the author of Teenager (Vintage), Double Bird (Maudlin House, 2018), Dust Bunny City (Disorder Press, 2017), among others. His fiction has been published in The Paris Review, The Believer, The Baffler, and The Nervous Breakdown, and many others (collected below). He is also a creative writing teacher and editor.***Otherppl with Brad Listi is a weekly literary podcast featuring in-depth interviews with today's leading writers.Available where podcasts are available: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, etc.Subscribe to Brad Listi’s email newsletter.Support the show on PatreonMerch@otherpplInstagram TikTokEmail the show: letters [at] otherppl [dot] comThe podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices