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There's. Been a few changes here the podcast

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over the last few months. We. Think

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the changes for the better now. Focus

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for the last year has been on

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helping Jason and Amanda Westbrook find out

0:12

what happened to their little eighty. That.

0:15

For us and for Jason,

0:17

Amanda does not changed. But.

0:19

Has changed is the name of

0:22

the show the I Work, and

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also some of the names of

0:26

some of the episodes. You'll also

0:28

notice that we have removed some

0:30

content from some of the earlier

0:32

episodes. The. Important parts are

0:34

still very much the front and

0:36

center of this podcast. It's

0:39

also important to note that throughout all

0:41

of these changes, Jason and Amanda have

0:43

remained with this podcast and this project.

0:46

And we spoke on type last week to find

0:48

out what's been going on. In.

0:52

Regards to the trip to. Let's

0:55

head back to the shed in St.

0:57

Helens. The last few

0:59

months has been a reflective time for

1:01

Jason and Amanda. They. Got

1:03

the chance over Easter to spend time is

1:05

a full family with the kids and grandkids,

1:08

but it was also a sad time. Remembering.

1:11

The Lady. And. It reflected

1:13

on the couple a days

1:15

leading up towards and afterwards

1:17

real feeling kind to sad.

1:20

Knowing. Trauma that she

1:23

might have endured which is during

1:25

knowing Fool and. We.

1:27

My never night just an island say

1:29

it really hurts my. Special.

1:32

Seen as a couple were an

1:34

older children succeed in in whatever

1:36

it is that they have trying

1:38

to achieve on you know that

1:40

little hurdles that they may have

1:43

a so many? Julie's in our

1:45

family. that's just Simony Joys talking.

1:47

talking to Pontus partner last night

1:49

to see him off to Turkey

1:51

and we were laughing like in

1:54

stitches, laughing about silly things and

1:56

you know we really really value

1:58

then Then as P. Oh and

2:00

was so happy to have them

2:02

in. allies and disarming. Is legit

2:04

planned with plan to have

2:07

water and so we plan

2:09

to protect since. We plan to

2:11

raising the place to the mid century

2:13

claim to love them and we we

2:15

also plan to stay together. For.

2:18

A very long time and beyond.

2:20

And the one thing that we

2:22

didn't plan for his desk. Between

2:26

plans for that. So how do

2:28

you. Prepare yourself.

2:30

For a Southern Settles and

2:33

explained. If you have to bear,

2:35

it's trials. You.

2:41

There are some things that have

2:43

happened wall with not been releasing

2:45

episodes and one of those things

2:47

issues I'm no longer working with

2:49

your lawyer. Yeah. And

2:53

we won't go into detail on

2:55

while how because I don't think

2:57

we need to bid. Suffice to

2:59

say that your search for the

3:01

truce remain steadfast and strong and

3:03

then we'll be there to support

3:05

your that no, no, the audiences.

3:07

This podcast will also be there

3:09

to support that. It's

3:12

equally important, decide that you do

3:14

have a whole bunch of people

3:17

in your corner who are highly

3:19

intelligent. Highly. Well regarded

3:21

and people who at this

3:23

stage don't necessarily want to

3:25

be named bought out in

3:27

your corner fighting the fight,

3:30

Them. At all levels of both

3:32

governments and behind the scenes in

3:34

the legal system. And

3:37

to any journey and everybody

3:39

has literally message me and

3:41

you all know who you

3:44

are because it's really quite

3:46

frankly tried to respond to

3:48

everybody that message me to

3:50

any social media and I've

3:52

tried to do that promptly

3:55

and everybody's and message and

3:57

message of support has been

3:59

extremely. Support. Is a

4:01

ham and useful to a

4:03

tool for me to go

4:05

back on and reflect when

4:07

a on things happen like

4:10

no longer been able to

4:12

work with a lawyer s

4:14

a the events. That have

4:16

conspired and so. You

4:18

know these people. You know who you are.

4:21

I've I've responded to all of you and.

4:23

So we're good a couple of names or

4:25

for some of them cause we can't user

4:27

names as you know but I'm one of them

4:29

school the top paid on. On. That's

4:32

her With this person is

4:34

the other person is a

4:36

golden thread of society. On

4:39

and she's amazing! Guy

4:41

they just we we've so of give

4:43

him name without release sign who they

4:45

are and that's how we talk of

4:47

them together. And. To the other

4:50

people have been just as sit

4:52

a sensitive literally listen to the

4:54

podcast and supported. The podcast and

4:56

supported Jason and I threw. That.

4:58

Connects since as actually gives the same as a month

5:00

in our when we get us. A

5:03

message. From. Amanda on a social

5:05

media of support and that's and that's

5:07

all with everything and it's like mine

5:10

ever been. A negative. Message

5:12

sent to Amanda Boy anybody in a

5:14

strike or the world to see want

5:16

to continue to sports? I said Amanda

5:18

and they search for the truth. You

5:21

can sign a petition, a change.o. Or.

5:24

If you want to message them with support

5:26

or maybe even. Information. That

5:28

might help. You can email us

5:30

at what Happens eight and a

5:32

to email.com. One.

5:34

Of the other things that Jason amanda

5:36

have been waiting for his access to

5:39

the Coroner's report. With. Their own independent

5:41

doctor to examine it is something have

5:43

never had the chance to do before.

5:46

you have seen the coroner's report you

5:48

have been serviced with that i know

5:50

that there are a whole bunch of

5:52

different files in that and when not

5:54

allowed to at this stage talk about

5:56

those and what you say which which

5:58

were gonna respect But what

6:00

I can talk about and what I will ask

6:03

is that there, you know, the

6:05

statement from the coroner of Tasmania is

6:07

very clear to say that you aren't

6:09

to republish or talk about anything that

6:11

you've seen, which is

6:13

fine and we understand that. What

6:16

I do know from our conversation is

6:18

that out of all of the information

6:20

that you've seen in those documents, there

6:23

was something missing, which

6:26

is sort of which you can talk about

6:28

because it's not part of the report that

6:30

you've seen. What

6:32

is missing? The

6:37

autopsy photographs. Okay,

6:39

so these are the photos of Eden, which

6:42

would be horrifying to look at. Of

6:44

course, the men I do not want

6:46

to see but they were to be

6:48

given to the pathologist Dr Richard Byron

6:50

Collins and in all

6:52

the files that were given to

6:54

him, they were not provided even

6:57

though we wrote specifically asking

6:59

for those to be provided to Dr

7:02

Richard Byron Collins.

7:05

I would imagine a file with

7:07

all of the information stays in

7:09

one place generally, like if it

7:12

works a little more seriously than

7:14

that, mate. Okay,

7:17

so when we didn't get,

7:19

we did get scene

7:22

photos, which was a

7:24

crime scene photo, which was an A4

7:27

and completely inadequate. I'm

7:29

not saying anything was in it, but I'm just

7:31

saying what wasn't in it. And

7:36

then in regards

7:38

to, we had to sign a

7:40

document to say that we weren't going to discuss it. I

7:44

had to strongly think

7:46

about why things were

7:48

like they were, what was missing

7:52

in the paperwork for her to

7:54

reopen this for an inquiry. And

7:57

Then so I thought, okay, let me follow. The

8:00

type of work and it

8:02

went from went from head

8:04

to the northern office and

8:07

that was sent to pull.

8:09

Reynolds for. Myself and Jason's

8:11

viewing at this stage pulled in

8:13

contact us that it has actually

8:15

arrived with a deed and in

8:17

fact he contacted us three months

8:19

later and said i have the

8:21

Coroner's report he at my office

8:23

would you like from and view

8:25

it and Jenny Scott had already

8:28

sent me an email to say

8:30

that she had sent it when

8:32

she'd center it So I was

8:34

like in the view that this

8:36

has been floating around your office

8:38

or three months that is a

8:40

be annoying. And how come

8:42

you didn't prompts this conversation earlier

8:44

because we didn't have facilities to

8:46

read? Ah, a mouth at that

8:49

time. So. Just to be

8:51

clear, what you've been able to do is

8:53

follow the paper trail of where it started

8:55

and where wins and then where it landed.

8:57

Class Questions: You might not have the photos

8:59

but was there. Was

9:02

the the report from the photos? My

9:07

with was actually had to have

9:10

a psychological clearance. I did. Before.

9:12

I received this a lot of

9:15

poets. I'm donna, right? Yes. And.

9:17

Am we had to sign a document with

9:19

it? Sounds? Share this now. Look tag

9:21

on often lead sizes, saddam or had to sign

9:23

a document where I could not speak about what

9:26

I was better rate in Aden Small What? sort

9:28

of small. On. I.

9:30

Understand why that I won't make speaking

9:33

about it because on why to Geico

9:35

and I was I ask why so

9:37

many questions that my upset people because.

9:41

When I read it or time you

9:43

understand why I have a clue about.

9:46

Given. The documents that Jason, Amanda

9:48

signed. Just. To be idled have

9:50

access to the car Support about what

9:52

happened to their daughter. We've decided not

9:54

supply the next part about sat with

9:56

them. However, the Ivy view is that

9:59

one thing missing. Honda Cars report

10:01

is the photo of the autopsy

10:03

of Aden is pretty obvious why

10:05

these would be important. They could

10:07

show the allegations you heard some

10:10

hunter about the bruising on the

10:12

size and the broken piece of

10:14

Aden It might said marks in

10:16

the course of this and it

10:18

might allow an independent experts good

10:20

says you on some adjacent Amanda's

10:23

concerns. I.

10:28

Wanted to take the sex with someone that has

10:30

experience in the stop seeing. The. Question

10:32

I wanted to know is does

10:35

the cars caught normally have autopsy

10:37

photos as part of the file

10:39

I checked him without x Police

10:41

Detective Inspector Craig Lamy. Greg.

10:44

How young. To take

10:46

steaks and saw a got a couple of

10:49

questions. The good news is that just in

10:51

the man to have been able to see

10:53

the current as file. Which

10:56

is great news on the corner

10:58

as he quits spoken before that

11:00

the corner had damn told them

11:02

they can't talk about what I

11:04

find in the fall which we

11:06

sound unusual. Darkest and question is

11:08

that when the family got soon

11:10

as you and the file what

11:12

was missing was the was the

11:14

autopsy photos is. Is.

11:17

It unusual for autopsy photos not to

11:19

be sitting in the same fall of

11:22

the cars office. Who. Little

11:24

really interesting Christian time. I can't

11:26

say well a in early absences

11:28

from southern extermination of it Well

11:30

and they could be it a

11:32

legitimate reason why they didn't put

11:34

why they're proposing minute I know

11:36

better. Over the

11:38

years and read I would the and

11:40

eight based on of that the evidence

11:42

that the Conus has with the reasons

11:44

why they haven't said or my that

11:46

around book to create your medical. Doctor.

11:50

To year is and so so easy

11:52

were doing air if you it it

11:54

out of at at at a current

11:56

as level would everything normally be kept.

11:59

in the place? Yeah,

12:03

the coroner would have the full brief of evidence and

12:06

all the evidence including the autopsy fat out, all

12:08

the reports, everything. I

12:10

wouldn't imagine that the coroner wouldn't have

12:12

it at this stage of the proceeding

12:14

that the coroner would definitely have everything. I

12:17

think I can't see any

12:19

reason why they wouldn't have those fat outs because

12:21

they're obviously pretty important in terms of the medical

12:24

evidence. I wouldn't imagine that they would

12:26

be sent on by themselves

12:28

for instance. They would be forwarded

12:30

with a file. It wouldn't

12:32

be like here's the autopsy photos and we'll

12:34

keep the file. You would

12:37

imagine that... No, I wouldn't

12:39

think such a... I think they'd all be in

12:41

the same file, whatever that file looks like. I

12:43

mean, I haven't seen it across but I imagine

12:45

that a voluminous amount of sort

12:47

of evidence including reports and

12:49

statements and all the photos should be in

12:52

the company with

12:54

whatever the pathologist report said. I

12:57

assume they've

12:59

showed the doctor the report from

13:01

the pathologist who did the autopsy, haven't

13:03

they? Yeah, I believe so. So what we're

13:05

not able to know is what was in

13:07

the files, what we can know is what

13:09

wasn't in the files and what wasn't in

13:11

the files is your autopsy photo. Okay,

13:15

so they're saying they've lost them. They haven't

13:18

said they've lost them. They just said that they're

13:21

not with them at the moment and they're trying

13:23

to track them down. Okay,

13:25

okay. That may be the case. I

13:27

think it would be unusual after all

13:29

this time. Over

13:31

the past few months, we've been continuing

13:33

to chat with Jason and Amanda on

13:35

messages and phone calls. There's been a

13:37

fair bit going on. In one of

13:39

those message exchanges, they sent over some

13:41

photos. These photos

13:43

were amazing. They were

13:46

AI generated photos of what Eden would

13:48

look like right now as

13:50

a 24-year-old young woman. Those

13:53

photos, incredible. Yeah,

13:55

Hunter sent them to us

13:57

and she sent them to the group chat. The children have a

13:59

secret. We got a break jets and

14:02

is you don't know I did not

14:04

even oldest is gonna end she put

14:06

him through the sibling chat and abroad

14:09

a cup of into tea is because

14:11

they're all in their twenties all actually

14:13

Tony's i don't to send I day

14:15

last week so even in nice fight

14:18

eyes was I'm obviously intelligence. I'd said

14:20

my kids twenty four. And

14:22

what she would lead to die.

14:25

And that was incredible because the

14:27

resemblance to just stay overpopulate to

14:29

just saying to Hunter to slide.

14:32

Saying. A even at that age they

14:34

are that I have their uses that

14:36

see how beautiful sat in I saw

14:38

a year we was passed by that

14:41

jain really touched and they the know

14:43

It was a little upsetting at first.

14:47

It was It was pretty accurate we feel

14:49

on him and what even with look like

14:51

and there's another fight on I used to

14:53

shut your neighbor is one of her Ivor

14:55

podium and she's speaking work in a public

14:58

event we are adding wonder what didn't would

15:00

be to enjoy. You know,

15:02

Jason and I've always been. relatively.

15:05

Constant in his parents with each

15:07

of these lay down at South

15:09

in a large capacity. With the

15:11

death of Aden and he flew

15:13

going to be able to get

15:15

three days and with each other

15:17

and the way or the children

15:19

of the sling we all sell

15:21

a parts. Into pieces and

15:24

we've literally slowly remembered

15:26

what was. Good to last

15:28

and. In. Such to. Ah

15:31

we we got to get some

15:33

footage that we sound and. A

15:36

number of discs. At Silver

15:38

and black them together in a

15:40

some drive and. We

15:42

got to reminisce on some of the family

15:44

events from. Twenty ten to twenty four.

15:46

The enjoy we got on. New

15:49

Years of Forties and and now we can!

15:51

We got him on our computer and we've

15:53

got. We've. Got so much video

15:55

of the kids and it's brilliant! My you

15:57

know it's everything from wake boarding, fish, cray

16:00

fishing, surfing, just the life we

16:03

gave the children and when Channel

16:05

9 got it we almost

16:08

were able to adopt a couple of the staff

16:10

because they wanted to be part of our family

16:12

just because of the fun we did get to

16:14

have with our children. But what it did, it

16:16

reinforced who

16:18

we were and it reminded us

16:20

of who we were as parents,

16:22

who were as people and

16:25

the doubt really started to

16:27

dissolve like an aspirin in

16:29

water and we started to

16:32

remember the fun part

16:34

of our lives, of what we

16:36

promised to each other and our

16:38

children and that didn't diminish

16:41

my silent promise to Eden

16:43

at birth to

16:45

protect and nurture her even

16:48

in death. That

16:50

doesn't go away. It will never

16:52

go away but everybody's really

16:55

pulled together and we're back. There's

17:07

one other question I want to talk to you about and we're

17:09

not going to mention any names here. There

17:11

is a piece of information that we have and

17:13

you have as well and

17:16

also some of the anonymous people that

17:18

we've not mentioned around

17:20

a particular piece of

17:22

information that we found interesting that

17:25

happened in St Helens shortly after

17:27

Eden passed. Yeah,

17:32

definitely a line of inquiry that the

17:34

police failed on without a doubt and

17:36

if they'd have done the line of

17:38

inquiry back then we've currently

17:40

got two people of interest that you're aware

17:42

of and we've kept them very quiet and

17:45

we don't mention their names. We have only

17:47

one of them at the scene. Yeah,

17:49

and in all the

17:52

statements that I have

17:54

now read, the second

17:56

person's Name is not in

17:58

there. Now

18:00

that is a fist of perhaps in

18:02

Tucson can be wrong and there's definitely

18:05

a lot of inquiry that the place

18:07

should have looked at back then. I'm

18:09

here on just sans serif. It's a

18:11

path I'm ready to go down until

18:14

I get some more evidence because again

18:16

in the last statement, there is no

18:18

arm name of that person's in any

18:20

that were these are the names mentioned.

18:24

That same and some adjacent in a man

18:26

is anonymous. Friends are following up on some

18:28

of the allegations which I soon Amanda talked

18:31

about in last few minutes. When

18:35

I can say is essentially some unusual

18:37

similarities that may or may not be

18:40

connect soon as we can bring something

18:42

to you we will. In

18:47

the next episode of Allah Lady we're

18:50

going to speak to the tasmanian he

18:52

enlist follow disguised why before we came

18:54

on board. Member Wilson for

18:56

the High About Mercury. Will

18:58

talk about what she thinks about this case

19:00

but also hear about a similar case. And

19:03

since Helens from two thousand and eighteen.