“(The outdoors) is not all about literal pleasure and sunsets, it’s about an encompassing experience… it’s also waking up in the morning and getting bitten by an insect.”

Garrett quizzes Matt Bucy – film maker, cinematographer, and computer programmer – about experiencing the outdoors via piloting a small plane and the surprising way VR contributes to his ongoing education and artistic creativity. So what is the definition of deep wilderness? Does it involve horse trough baths and Mardi Gras hikes? Listen in to find out.