0:00

Our individual and religious liberties are under

0:02

attack. If we don't protect them, they

0:04

might disappear forever. Today

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I discussed a way forth with someone full

0:09

of wisdom and common sense. This is

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Outlowed with Gianno calledwell. Welcome

0:19

back to Allow with Gianno calledwey. I'm

0:21

so excited for today's show, and when I tell

0:23

you excited, I am truly

0:25

excited. My guest today is

0:28

the great Doctor Ben Carson, the

0:30

founder and chairman of the brand new American

0:32

Cornerstone Institute, a nonprofit

0:35

thing tank dedicated to promoting conservative

0:37

solutions to real problems our nation face.

0:40

From March twenty seventeenth to January,

0:43

Dr Carson served in the Trump administration

0:45

is the seventeenth Secretary of Housing

0:47

and Urban Development. Dr

0:50

Carson was also a President of candidate in the Republican

0:53

primary. Before then, he

0:55

was a world renowned neurosurgeon and became

0:58

director of the Pediatric neuros Surgery

1:00

at the John Hopkins Children's Center.

1:03

I'll ask Dr Carson about his extraordinary

1:05

life, his new institute, conservative

1:08

values, and much much more. Let's

1:10

go well today. I'm just so

1:12

ecstatic to have one of my heroes

1:16

on with me today and that's none other

1:18

than Dr Ben Carson.

1:21

Thank you for joining out loud with Giano Caldwell.

1:24

Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure now

1:26

the pleasures all mine. And I want to tell you

1:29

you know, I grew up on the South side of Chicago, extremely

1:31

pour lights, gas and water off at the same time.

1:33

And growing up one of

1:35

the people that they always put before

1:38

us was uh, your poster and

1:40

talked about your story. But you

1:42

had an even more direct impact

1:44

on me, um in a way that you probably

1:46

don't even know today. I got involved

1:49

in media back in and

1:52

it was because of people like Armstrong

1:54

Williams and you, of course,

1:57

who was the executive editor of American

1:59

Currency, the magazine

2:01

at the Washington Times distributed.

2:03

And because of that that led me to writing

2:07

for a think tank called Project twenty one

2:09

Radio, started calling B level TV,

2:12

and then went on to work at Fox

2:14

News Channel, which is where I work right now, is a Fox

2:16

News political analysts, and then wrote a book

2:19

and again again thanks in part to you, uh,

2:22

titled Taken for Granted, How Conservatism

2:24

can win back to the Americans and Liberalism failed. So I

2:26

have a lot uh

2:28

to thank you for not only

2:30

just being a leader in this movement, but certainly

2:34

being an active role model and

2:36

mentor to so many of us who

2:39

grew up poor, um, whether they be

2:41

white, black, or indifferent, to lead

2:43

a better lives for ourselves. So I thank you so much

2:45

for that. Dr Carson. Well,

2:48

you know, it's interesting you mentioned the South side

2:50

of Chicago because I remember some

2:53

years ago going there to a high

2:55

school called Wendell Phillips High School.

2:59

My mom went, oh, really,

3:01

and you would have thought a rock star had

3:04

come in because one of the banks had

3:06

brought copies of my book Gifted

3:08

Hands for all the students and they've been reading

3:10

it. And uh, you know, I talked

3:13

about being a nerd versus

3:15

being cool, and where

3:18

each one of those things from eight And

3:20

at the end, I said, so, how many

3:23

people want to be cool? Almost

3:25

no one raised your hand? How many want to

3:27

be a nerd? And that's about everybody raising.

3:31

That was pretty interesting, No, it

3:33

absolutely was, and I'm I'm just

3:35

so interested, especially considering the

3:38

fact that our backgrounds are very

3:40

similar in the white Obviously, I'm not a newer

3:42

surgeon or um as prolific

3:44

of a figure as you at this moment, but

3:47

certainly how is it that

3:49

you became CONSCIENTI conscientious

3:52

of your conservative values? What drew

3:54

you to conservatism? Was it a natural

3:56

process giving your faith and experience or

3:58

values instilled in you or

4:00

or what was it exactly? Well,

4:03

you know, I grew up in Detroit, so

4:05

I was a Democrat. Detroit

4:08

and Boston Democrats strongholds.

4:11

And then I went to college and New Haven, Connecticut,

4:13

another Democrat stronghold, and

4:15

then an Arbor, Michigan for medical

4:17

school, another demonstrating stronghold. Then

4:19

to Baltimore to Johns Hopkins, another

4:21

Democratic stronghold. So I was

4:24

pretty died in the world Democrats. And

4:26

then I did something that Democrats are never supposed

4:28

to do. I listened

4:30

to a Republican. I listened

4:33

to Ronald Reagan, and

4:35

I said, this guy sounds just like my mother,

4:38

and you know, I have very common sensical,

4:41

practical stuff. And

4:43

at the same time, you know, I was kind of questioning

4:46

what was going on in society because I was seeing

4:48

these patients and so

4:51

many of them were, you know, being

4:53

subsidized by the government, and they were perfectly

4:55

healthy people. And I said, we

4:58

are actually hurting these people by

5:01

making them dependent on government.

5:03

And that was really the beginning of my

5:06

transition and wanting to change that

5:08

dynamic. It is a hard dynamic to

5:10

change. I gotta tell you there are many people who

5:13

very solidly invested in it, and

5:16

uh, you know, the more dependency

5:18

they can create, the greater

5:20

their power becomes. And

5:23

I think that was the very reason that the

5:25

Kia Kushchoff many years ago said

5:28

of America. He said, your grandchildren,

5:30

your grandchildren's children will live under communism,

5:34

and we won't have to fire a shot because

5:36

he knew certain things. He knew

5:39

that if you gained control of the school system

5:41

so that you can indoctrinate the kids,

5:44

he knew that if you gained control of the media

5:47

so that you could suppress and promote

5:50

those things that you wanted people to know, And

5:53

that if you remove God and replace

5:55

that with dependency on the government, and

5:58

you increase the national that amazing

6:01

levels so that you could justify massive

6:03

taxes so you could redistribute to wealth

6:06

and gain complete combination. And

6:09

uh, it seems like it seems like

6:11

those are the very things that are happening absolutely,

6:15

And it reminds me of something that you wrote

6:18

about in real clear politics, And I'll read

6:20

um this particular line here we have painted

6:23

our fellow Americans is deplorable, stupid,

6:25

and worse. It is this type

6:28

of malicious political rhetoric fuel

6:30

by opportunistic politicians and profit

6:32

driven media organizations that

6:34

has rolled our deeply divided nation,

6:37

and of course we continuing to see

6:39

it more and more divided.

6:42

Why do you think that is exactly

6:44

clearly they want they want dominance, they want

6:46

control. But it

6:49

didn't used to be this way. No,

6:51

I think it's it's quite intentional. And

6:55

you know the four cornerstones

6:57

that the American Cornerstone Institute

6:59

is based on, Safe

7:03

and liberty, and community and

7:06

life. Take the community one

7:08

there. Uh. This nation

7:10

became strong because we had strong communities,

7:13

had people who worked together, who

7:15

helped each other, and they were neighbors

7:17

to each other. For farmers, farmer

7:20

broke his leg, everybody pitched in and harvested

7:22

the crops from That's the way

7:24

it used to be. Now you have a

7:26

situation where that person who

7:29

lived across the street from you for the last twenty

7:31

years peacefully, uh, is now

7:33

your enemy because they have a different yard

7:35

side than you do. And

7:37

what is that caused by? That's caused by politicians

7:40

and the media nothing else, and

7:43

we're allowing them to have too much influence

7:46

on One of the things that we have to begin

7:48

to do is get the American people

7:50

to recognize that we are

7:53

not each other's enemies. We're

7:55

wasting a lot of unnecessary

7:57

energy being enemies for

7:59

no reason. We agree on

8:02

way more stuff than we disagree on, and

8:04

we cannot continue to allow ourselves

8:07

to be manipulated into a hateful,

8:09

intolerant people. I

8:12

agree with that absolutely. And you know what's

8:15

more interesting to me. You mentioned

8:17

the yard signs and how a lot of folks

8:19

just would hate their neighbors. Especially since

8:22

the election,

8:24

we've seen it dial up quite a bit, But

8:27

there's beyond just that.

8:29

Simplistically, there's a

8:31

major attack on black conservatives.

8:34

But oftentimes I know you know this because people

8:36

have called you a house in word,

8:38

a coon, any negative, disgusting

8:41

name they can think of. They've also said

8:43

it recently about Senator Tim

8:45

Scott, and Jerry Reid said that he

8:47

was a prop. I know people often called you

8:50

a prop for the Trump administration.

8:52

We're told that we're not black enough, and we're betraying

8:54

our race for taking stances like we do publicly.

8:58

Why is that? And how do you handle

9:01

these vicious comments, especially

9:03

coming from a place where you were such a

9:05

beloved figure among everyone, not just

9:08

conservatives, but everyone. Kids wanted

9:10

to be just like you. How do you handle

9:12

all of this? Well, I

9:14

just remember, this is not anything that's

9:16

any different then

9:19

many many years ago during slavery.

9:22

If you ran away and you got caught,

9:25

they didn't just kill you. They

9:27

brought you back and then

9:29

they tormented you in front of

9:31

everybody else so that

9:34

they would get the lesson, do

9:36

not run away. And

9:38

it's the same lesson now, do

9:41

not depart from what we told

9:43

you. Do not think for yourself,

9:46

and if you do, we're going

9:48

to try to make an example of you so

9:51

other people won't do it. But

9:54

the way I the way I see it, you

9:57

have to just ask yourself what

9:59

is the right thing to do, and

10:02

you pray, you ask God to give you wisdom,

10:06

and you move forward. And the fact of the matter

10:08

is, you know, I find tons

10:10

of people, particularly in the African

10:13

American community, who very

10:15

much appreciate the stance, and

10:18

many of them are really starting to wake

10:20

up quite rapidly and

10:23

realize that they are being used and manipulated,

10:26

and I think that's one of the

10:28

reasons that there was so much

10:30

fear of the last administration

10:33

because they were doing things that were very,

10:36

very helpful to the African American

10:38

community and a lot of people were

10:40

starting to notice it and they don't want

10:42

that, believe me, absolutely,

10:45

And that's one of the things I think Maxine

10:48

Waters said if any black man,

10:50

if she saw black man voting for Trump, that she would

10:52

never forgive them. And the Democrats

10:54

were concerned, I think for the first time

10:57

in decades about a Republican Acts

11:00

League garnering uh so

11:02

much more of the black vote than they ever have because

11:05

of policy implemented, which

11:07

is something that you did over at HUD with Opportunity

11:10

zones, is that right, Opportunity zones

11:12

was only one of the things we

11:15

had envisioned centers which

11:17

brought all the things

11:19

that were meant to help people be able

11:22

to climb the ladder and put them under one

11:24

roof and coordinate them so

11:26

that that young mother with three

11:29

kids who never finished high school can

11:31

find out how she can get child care, can

11:34

get her g e D, can get advanced

11:36

training, can be able to support

11:39

herself and teach that to her children,

11:41

so you can break those cycles of poverty.

11:44

And you know, we focus through

11:46

to the all the programs on self

11:48

reliance, getting out of dependency.

11:52

That was a major threat to many

11:54

on the left. Yeah, absolutely

11:56

it was and it still remains. Let's

11:59

continue from there in them. And after a quick break

12:05

last month, shortly after there the Trump administration,

12:07

you announced that you're launching the American Cornerstone

12:09

Institute, a nonprofit, nonpartisan

12:12

conservative think tank. You mentioned

12:14

a little bit about the institute, but what gave

12:16

you the thought, the idea to start

12:19

this particular institute, because it seems like you're

12:21

going to be continuing in some way, shape

12:23

or form, some of the work that you did

12:26

it. Hut, this is self belief, but you're

12:28

inserting faith in this. How did how

12:30

did you come about this this idea here? Well,

12:33

you know, I thought seriously about retiring

12:36

and relaxing, but I couldn't really do that

12:38

seeing what was happening to our country.

12:41

And uh, you know, I just stopped

12:43

and said, you know what's happening

12:46

to us? You know, the country doesn't even look

12:48

like it it did twenty years ago. We don't

12:50

have the same values, and we seem to be hitting

12:53

downward spiral relatively quickly.

12:56

So I said, what were

12:58

the things that made us to a

13:00

great nation? And

13:02

that's when we came up the cornerstones. Faith.

13:06

You know, our faith are Judeo

13:08

Christian values, told us how

13:11

to relate to each other. Love

13:13

your neighbor, not cancel your

13:16

neighbor if you don't like what you're

13:18

saying. Completely opposite now,

13:21

and you know, when you come to liberty,

13:24

you know, you look at some of our fundamental

13:27

liberties, like freedom of speech, one

13:30

of the keys to everything in this country.

13:33

And yet it's being blunted now. Now

13:35

some people say it's not really being

13:37

blunted because you know that only

13:40

refers to the government limited you speak.

13:42

That's not true. It big tech

13:45

and media impose

13:48

a silence and

13:50

the government is okay with it.

13:52

It has the same militarious effect.

13:55

That's what's going on in this country right now.

13:57

No longer the beacon. In fact, I

14:00

was looking at a program last

14:02

week and students

14:04

and other countries are being interviewed about

14:06

whether they want to come to America and

14:09

to a person, they said, they're used to, but

14:11

no, they wouldn't want to come to America now. And

14:14

uh, that that really touched me about

14:17

how the perception of this country

14:19

is changing so incredibly rapidly.

14:22

And then, you know, with with the community,

14:25

you know, we have far more that

14:28

binds us together than that divince. I

14:30

said, Yet we allow the

14:32

entities like the media

14:35

to come in and to

14:37

grab any little thing that we disagree

14:40

about, and to capitalize

14:43

on any differences, you

14:45

know, be at race, be it gender,

14:48

be an economic status, you

14:51

know, it doesn't matter to be it religion, whatever,

14:53

and drive wedges between the people,

14:56

and then trying to get each segment to

14:59

think that they are the savior

15:01

and that they are the ones who will make

15:04

things fair for them. This is particularly

15:07

obnoxious in the in the black community,

15:09

where they're trying to get everybody to think that you're

15:12

a victim and that

15:14

somehow any difficulties that you're

15:16

having are the fault of someone else.

15:19

You know, my mother used to always quote a point

15:22

to us when we can't an excuse, called

15:24

yourself to blame. And my

15:26

brother and I didn't want to hear that point, so we stopped

15:29

making excuses and it worked

15:31

out just fine for us. And

15:34

then, you know, the whole concept of life,

15:37

you know, the further away we get from

15:39

respecting life from the

15:41

womb to the tomb, the

15:43

more callous and course our

15:46

behavior becomes with respect to

15:48

each other. And uh

15:51

so that's why you know we're focusing on

15:53

those things. It's not only a think

15:55

tank, it's also a d tank. And we've

15:57

got various projects going on. Will

16:00

be launching the Little Patriots this

16:02

summer in which uh we're

16:05

teaching children at a very

16:07

young age the true

16:09

history of America and about

16:11

civics and about how our government works,

16:14

things that we have either thrown

16:17

away or rewritten in

16:20

an inappropriate way. And

16:22

of course that's exactly along

16:24

the lines of Marxism. Karl Marks that give

16:26

me your young people for three or four years

16:29

and I'll have them for life. But we

16:31

want to start early teaching them

16:33

the right things.

16:35

Wow, and you know you you you mentioned

16:38

something that I want to go back to. You

16:40

talked about victimhood, which we know

16:42

it's heavily and excessively

16:45

exist in the black community, existing in

16:47

every community, to be perfectly honest,

16:49

but we do have a lot of folks who have

16:52

capitulated to the idea that they

16:54

can't do particular things because of the neighborhood.

16:57

They grew up in that maybe they come from

16:59

a single parent home them, Um,

17:01

they've been on government assistance. You're

17:03

black, Therefore you're incapable, as

17:05

some would argue, especially on the left,

17:08

and you're incapable of succeeding. Now

17:11

that this is disgusting in every way.

17:13

Um, I think it's real and legitimate racism

17:15

when you consider people that way. And I know there's

17:18

some good intentioned white

17:20

liberals who seem to have this idea and run

17:22

with it on a consistent basis. Is disgusting.

17:25

But I want to ask you something a bit more

17:27

specific, which I think some of this comes from.

17:30

Do you believe that institutional racism

17:32

exists today? I

17:35

think the place where it exists

17:39

is among the people who

17:41

see someone like me or someone like

17:43

you and decide how they must

17:45

think based on their race. That's

17:48

that's the institutional racism.

17:51

But in terms of our

17:54

society, you know, I grew

17:56

up in Detroit and in Boston,

17:59

you know, late fifties and the

18:01

sixties, And

18:04

believe me, I can tell

18:06

you real racism. And I say

18:08

that we had to deal with it every day and it was

18:10

rough. It's nothing

18:13

like that today, nothing

18:15

like that at all. And you

18:17

know, you take something like the George

18:20

Floyd case, which,

18:22

uh, you know, it was horrible, I

18:24

mean absolutely horrible, No

18:27

no excuse there, but that

18:31

is an incredibly unusual

18:33

situation and to try to take

18:35

that and make it seem like an everyday

18:38

occurrence, I think it is

18:40

a real distortion of what's going

18:42

on. And then to use that to

18:45

incite riots and destruction

18:47

of you know, that just

18:50

doesn't make a whole lot of sense. We

18:52

do need to discuss it. We do need to talk

18:55

about police reform, We need

18:57

to talk about alternative ways

18:59

for police to apprehend people

19:02

and to control people. There

19:04

needs to be all of those discussions.

19:06

But intelligent people,

19:09

you know, learn from mistakes. And

19:12

I think that officer

19:14

obviously did things that were completely

19:17

inappropriate. That needs to be investigated

19:19

in terms of why he did things that were

19:21

completely inappropriate, and

19:24

appropriate measures need to be taken. But

19:26

that does not include destroying the

19:29

lifetime work of people in that neighborhood.

19:33

Yeah, and and and I agree, especially

19:36

the last point of destroying other people's

19:39

work or in your own community. To be honest,

19:41

a lot of this happening folks who

19:43

may be poor or marginalized

19:46

people. This happened in their community. So

19:48

this it was, it was despicable. But

19:51

on the point of police reform,

19:53

we have had documented instances where

19:56

police officers unjustly harm

19:58

people or murdered. Evil police

20:00

have gone to jail, so we know police performance

20:02

absolutely necessitous. And

20:04

and talking about this institutional the idea

20:07

of institutional racism, which I personally

20:09

do believe exists. Do you think their systems

20:11

in place now right

20:14

now where people are being

20:16

marginalized because of their

20:18

race. I'm

20:22

you know, as as long as there is evil

20:24

in the world and people with small

20:26

minds, Uh,

20:28

you're going to have unfairness. Uh.

20:31

Do we need to make sure we have in place

20:33

measures that detect that unfairness

20:37

and deal with it? Absolutely?

20:39

And do we do? We need to acknowledge

20:42

the fact that

20:44

that has improved dramatically

20:47

and will continue to improve. You

20:49

know, there was a time when people honestly

20:52

believe that black people

20:54

were inferior intellectually. You

20:58

know, you can hold onto that if you too,

21:00

But there's multiple examples now show

21:02

that that's not true. Um,

21:04

So a lot of the behaviors

21:08

that we encountered decades ago,

21:11

we're based on false

21:13

information that has been corrected,

21:15

and I think we see a major

21:18

change doesn't mean that we have completely

21:20

eliminated the problem and that we don't need

21:23

to be concerned about it and continue

21:25

to work toward resolution. You

21:28

know, to that point on

21:31

there was a time where they believe that

21:33

black folks were intellectually

21:35

inferior. I think that still exists today

21:38

and that I can provide

21:40

the example of them saying, hey, we need

21:42

to eliminate math because

21:44

uh it's racist now. So with

21:47

that being the case, they're continuing that long legacy,

21:50

just in a different way of attempting

21:52

to marginalize black folks.

21:55

So it's it's it's one of those things that have

21:57

to be called out. But I want to go back to a

21:59

c. I would to your institute the

22:02

four key principles faith, liberty, community

22:04

in life. Now. You ran for president

22:07

in and

22:09

when you ran, and I remember because I was I

22:11

worked with Armstrong Armstrong

22:13

Williams that is is a close uh

22:16

confidant of yours, and I

22:18

was support very supportive of your candidacy.

22:21

I thinks a lot of other people were as

22:23

well, and interesting enough

22:26

for me to note some of

22:28

the things you would say, we're kind of focused

22:30

on those four principles. And what's also

22:33

interesting to me is before

22:35

Donald Trump entered the scene, you

22:38

were really advancing in the polls, and

22:40

Donald Trump came in and said a

22:43

lot of the same things that you were saying.

22:45

He was just forceful. That

22:48

was interesting you You legitimately could

22:50

have been president. So the

22:53

policies were quite similar. Our

22:55

personalities are diametrically opposed,

22:58

absolutely they are. But he used

23:00

your same rhetoric Muslin

23:03

Band. He used a lot of the same

23:05

things that you were saying, what you were dialing

23:07

up in the polls, and he was just more

23:10

forceful. You could have been president.

23:14

Looking back on that time, how does

23:16

that make you feel? If there was no Donald Trump,

23:18

it might have been have been Carson presidency.

23:21

Well, he frequently says to me, He

23:23

says, Ben, aren't you glad you didn't

23:25

win? I

23:30

have to admit you know that there maybe

23:32

si validity there because

23:34

you know, for the left and only thing worse than Satan

23:36

as a black conservative, they

23:38

just can't can't even abide the

23:41

thought. And uh,

23:43

you know they would have been after me too,

23:46

maybe for different reasons. It wouldn't have been

23:48

because of inflammatory comments, but

23:51

uh, they still would have been there, believe

23:53

me. So you know,

23:55

the Lord knows what's what's best. It's

23:58

it's fine. I'm okay, And

24:00

I actually enjoyed very much this

24:03

position that I'm in now as we tried

24:06

to find rational,

24:09

logical approaches to

24:11

the things that are going on and be

24:14

able to explain those two people

24:17

in a very reasonable, understandable

24:19

way and help the people of

24:21

American the recognize that we're not each other's

24:23

enemies. Stop being manipulated.

24:27

This is so vitally important for

24:29

everything that we do. I

24:32

agree with that wholeheartedly. Now,

24:34

you know, I'm I'm really

24:36

thoughtful about how I grew up,

24:39

and I mentioned South Side of Chicago, Mama

24:41

addicted to crack cocaine, and there

24:43

was a lot of obstacles, just like you experience.

24:46

But one thing that I like to say, beyond any

24:48

institutional racism, beyond any

24:51

obstacles, it doesn't matter what the obstacle is,

24:53

even if it's the President of the United States. My

24:55

faith supersedes all

24:58

laws and supersedes any individual.

25:01

It supersedes any van datta

25:03

that maybe against me. What does

25:05

your Christian faith mean to you and were

25:07

you able to really utilize

25:09

that as a vehicle to move

25:11

beyond poverty and

25:14

all the things that you experienced in your youth. Uh,

25:17

it has helped me enormously. Uh.

25:21

Anytime I faced obstacles, and

25:23

I've had some pretty substantial obstacles along

25:25

the way, it believes me. Um,

25:28

and I would pray that Cod

25:30

would either remove the obstacles or give

25:32

me wisdom to know what to

25:34

do. I can't think of a single

25:37

time that my prayers

25:39

were not answered. And

25:41

uh, well I can't think of

25:44

a couple of times when they were in retrospect,

25:47

very inappropriate prayers. And

25:49

I looked back and I understand. I said, boy, thank

25:52

you Lord for not answering that he

25:57

knows what he's doing. And you

26:00

think about that. Those principles

26:03

of loving your fellow man, caring about your neighbor,

26:06

of taking care of the poor,

26:09

not in a way that keeps them poor,

26:11

but in a way that provides them with opportunities.

26:15

You know, these these are are Christian

26:18

biblical type principles. And

26:21

when we manifested those, we

26:23

did well. Now that this is some people say,

26:25

yeah, but you had slavery. Uh,

26:28

we weren't perfect. Um. You

26:30

know, the country was inhabited by people,

26:33

and people are not perfect, and

26:36

over the course of time, slavery

26:38

has been a scourge on

26:40

humanity. Today there are

26:42

more slaves than there have ever been in

26:45

the history of the world. It's still

26:47

a problem even today to two

26:49

thousand and one, and

26:51

we should work very hard to

26:54

eliminate it. But do recognize

26:57

that, you know, that was no big

27:00

aberration. This, this is things

27:02

that have been going on forever. Doesn't

27:05

excuse it, you know, it doesn't

27:07

doesn't make it okay, but

27:09

it puts it in context. Absolutely.

27:13

No. I appreciate you you're

27:15

sharing that. I know, faith and and Christian

27:18

values for some people can be such a private

27:20

thing, but certainly be in a public

27:23

figure. I think people oftentimes will look

27:25

at your life and your journey and

27:27

and just want to know more and want to know

27:29

what God has done for you personally, which

27:32

is everything. So I'm really appreciative

27:34

to to hear that from you myself.

27:37

It gives me confidence that we're going

27:39

to get out of this situation

27:41

that we're in right now in this country.

27:44

Because I always say God

27:46

plays the long game. We tend

27:48

to play the short game. We beat panic.

27:50

Can we say that's just going but I

27:53

think it's actually very important

27:55

detonation see how

27:58

the left does things, because

28:01

I don't think they would have believed it if you just

28:03

said, you know, they're going to be doing this and this

28:05

and this and now, they wouldn't do that. Now

28:07

you can see they would do that, And

28:09

I think that's very important going forward.

28:13

Absolutely, and that

28:15

makes me wonder And by the way, I appreciate

28:18

that faith it gives you. Confidence is faith

28:20

is the assurance the confidence the title deed the

28:23

scripture says, I appreciate that. Now

28:25

do you think that the Republicans are going to win back

28:27

the House and the Senate here and it's coming up election?

28:31

I think if they are courageous

28:34

enough to insist on election

28:37

reform an election integrity,

28:40

absolutely they went it back. If

28:43

they leave things like they are, they'll never

28:45

win anything back. Mm hmm.

28:47

I mean, you look at the things that happened

28:50

when you have secretary of State

28:53

and governors and people

28:55

who can say, well, that doesn't really matter

28:57

whether the signatures match, and it

29:00

doesn't matter whether you get the balance in one time

29:02

or not. It doesn't matter

29:04

if the balance aren't folded indicating

29:07

that they weren't actually mailed. None

29:09

of that stuff really matter just okay, Well,

29:11

as long as you're letting that go on, forget it, you're

29:14

never gonna win anything. Right, So

29:18

we'll see what Republicans do, but you can't

29:20

do much of you don't have the majority.

29:23

So understanding that federally,

29:26

that that's an issue, but certainly we have

29:28

a lot of state houses and governorships that

29:31

that kind of legislative reform can be implemented.

29:34

There's a lot of concentration on that now, and

29:36

that's that's a very good thing. It will help

29:38

us. And and shining the light

29:40

and insisting on

29:43

you know, one of the things that the Democrats do

29:45

is they insist on things even

29:47

when they're in the minority. They seem

29:50

to be much better at that. And the Republicans

29:52

just getting their way. We need

29:54

to look at their playbook. Yeah,

29:57

I think to a degree, Donald

30:00

up had already looked at the playbook and ran

30:02

it pretty pretty hardcore. But

30:06

speaking of that, as you

30:08

know, in January, there was

30:11

issues at the at the Capitol. There was a riot at

30:13

the capital. As you know, there's been numerous

30:16

figures within the Trump administration who said

30:18

that they either don't support the president

30:20

anymore or they're ending their move into

30:23

the movement and meaning to make America great

30:25

again. They're not going to be a part of it.

30:27

Some very prominent folks Nicki Haley

30:30

among others, and Stacy

30:32

Dash it was just released reported anyway,

30:35

she said that after that happened at

30:37

the Capitol that she's no longer part of

30:39

the mega movement. But I believe

30:41

she still considers herself to be a conservative.

30:44

How did that impact you and and what

30:47

do you think about that situation?

30:51

Well, I have a tendency to be a

30:53

big picture guy. I look

30:55

at the big picture, and

30:57

the big picture says, if

30:59

we on the conservative side

31:02

are fractionated, cannot

31:05

join forces and work together,

31:08

whether it's Donald Trump at the head of the table

31:10

or whoever it is at the

31:12

head of the table, if we cannot unite

31:15

behind them because of our little

31:17

pet teeds and little things and anger

31:20

in us, and we're not And

31:23

again take a take

31:25

a page from the democrats playbook. They

31:28

had big disagreements.

31:31

You know, you have those who are moderate

31:33

and those who are far left, but

31:36

they put it behind them when it comes

31:38

to something important to

31:41

them. And

31:43

if conservatives learn how to do that, believe

31:46

me, they will be a formidable force,

31:48

and that's why there are a lot

31:50

of people out there feigning those flames.

31:53

They want the

31:55

Conservatives to be divided and each

31:57

other's Believe me, that's the only

31:59

way that they can stay in power. I understand

32:02

that certainly. I want to pick up from

32:04

there in a moment, but first let's go to break

32:11

in terms of the capital of the

32:13

riot at the Capitol how how did that impact

32:15

you specifically? How did

32:18

you feel about that situation? Do

32:20

you steal support the president?

32:22

Are you giving up on the movement? Are

32:24

you continuing stronger? Straight straight

32:27

ahead? How did it impact you? Well,

32:29

it was horrible, but I do

32:32

not buy into the fact that

32:34

that the President caused it, And the FBI

32:37

has plenty of evidence now that

32:39

there were groups who were planning this

32:41

long before the president speech, and

32:44

they were warned about it, and in

32:46

fact, the President had recommended

32:49

that they had ten thousand trips there and

32:51

others had requested it, and

32:54

it was the leadership of the House

32:56

that detailed it because they didn't think it would

32:58

look good. That were the real blame lies.

33:02

You have that many people, and

33:04

you know you have some who

33:06

have nefarious intentions, and

33:09

you don't provide the kind

33:11

of security that's necessary. And then you

33:14

want to blame that all on one person. I

33:16

don't think so. But

33:18

does he bear any any blame in this situation?

33:21

He said he was going to go to the capital. Well,

33:24

I think there's plenty of blame

33:26

to go around. You know, there

33:28

there were warnings that everybody

33:30

could have heeded, and I

33:32

think, you know, we we should have done everything

33:35

we could to make sure that we cool the

33:37

situation. No, particularly knowing that there

33:39

were groups there who were intending

33:41

to be violent. Okay,

33:44

So so President Trump could

33:46

have approached it

33:48

quite differently than he did. Yeah,

33:51

I mean, I think and in virtually every

33:53

situation that goes awry,

33:57

you know, in retrospect, you

33:59

could have done upsetter mm hmm.

34:02

No, I appreciate

34:05

that that assessment. Dr Carson. Now,

34:07

but before I let you go, I wanted to ask

34:09

you about, um, your career

34:11

in medicine clearly enormously

34:14

successful, a giant in the medical field.

34:17

UM, And you've talked about before

34:19

how you got interested in medicine.

34:22

Now, is there is still a chance

34:24

that you might go back into medicine at some point?

34:27

Would you would you do that? Pretty

34:29

unlikely at age sixty nine. I

34:34

think I probably would. I

34:37

would find it a little more

34:40

uh stressful and

34:43

demanding that my body might have the

34:46

energy for. But

34:48

I stayed obviously quite interested

34:50

in it. Still do a lot of reading and keeping

34:53

up with what's going on. Okay,

34:56

I understand, And let me ask you this

34:58

question, which I think would probably

35:01

be a head scratcher. If the Biden

35:03

administration wanted to use you

35:05

in an advisatory capacity,

35:07

would you do it? As a medical

35:09

expert? I

35:12

would always be willing to do things to help

35:14

our nation. I don't care

35:16

who was asking. No. I

35:19

appreciate that, Thank you so much. I'm

35:21

not a highly person person, but

35:23

I am a highly patriotic person,

35:26

and if there are things that can be done that were

35:29

supporting Uplift donation, always

35:31

do those things. All

35:33

right? Well, I appreciate that one.

35:36

In final question to you, Dr Carson, you

35:38

obviously became well known for your work

35:41

as a newer certain years ago, but you first gained

35:43

national fame, if you will, in

35:45

a political context among conservatives

35:47

in when you spoke at

35:49

the National Proper Breakfasts and seemed to be critical

35:51

of then President Obama's policies. Did

35:54

you ever think back then that one day

35:56

you would have served in the president's cabinet

35:59

and be so involved in politics and the leadership

36:01

capacity. Uh

36:04

no, that that certainly was

36:06

not part of the plan. It's

36:10

interesting though, you know, some of the

36:13

people on the left have said to me that

36:17

was very offensive what you said during

36:19

that prayer breakfast, and

36:22

I said, it seems to me that

36:24

it would only be offensive or sort of if it applied

36:26

to you, which

36:31

made him eve the name here. I'm

36:35

sure it did. I'm sure it did.

36:37

Is there anything new for you coming

36:39

up? Do you have any big projects coming up? The folks

36:41

at homes you knew about? And where can people

36:43

find you? On social media? And Elselie, Well,

36:46

people should go to American

36:49

Cornerstone dot

36:51

org and uh

36:54

there's some beautiful video

36:57

tapes there, uh,

36:59

some news letters, op

37:01

eds, all kinds of things, and

37:04

there's even a donate button, so there's

37:06

all kind of good things to do there.

37:09

Get involved. This is the real

37:11

key thing. This

37:13

country is up for it and by the people,

37:17

not up formed by the government, and

37:20

that means we have to take an active role. If

37:22

we don't take an active role, the

37:25

government just expands and

37:28

we wind up with the very kind

37:30

of situation that people were fleeing

37:32

from when they came to this country

37:34

in the first place. So

37:38

so true. And is Dr Ben

37:40

Carson on social media?

37:43

Uh? We have UH Facebook

37:46

page and we'll

37:49

continue to to use that, but we're

37:52

also looking at some other very

37:54

interesting developing platforms

37:57

to make sure that you and

38:00

actually get your voice out there without worrying

38:02

about whether somebody is going to be looking over

38:04

your shoulder and deciding whether you can say

38:06

that or not. Thank you so

38:08

so much for joining

38:10

me here on out Loud with Giano Caldwell

38:12

and your your message. We'll

38:14

go far along. We we really appreciate

38:17

for all you mean to this country, to this

38:19

world, and UH, as

38:21

a Christian one Christian to another, thank you

38:24

for continuing to speak about your faith

38:26

because there's a lot of people who are hurting,

38:29

who can't see a way forward, but they hear

38:31

about your story and now all of a sudden they

38:33

believe. And I think that's certainly

38:36

an aspect of faith and

38:38

abundance. So thank you, UH,

38:41

and we're praying for you, and thank you

38:43

for what you're doing for our country. We really

38:45

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38:47

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38:49

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