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Up next, how woud the journal

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called part of the gig which switch such dat

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book. Conservatives like to say

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the mainstream media is biased, but

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at this point it's completely outdated to

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refer to the media's quote unquote

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liberal biases because we're

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no longer merely dealing with biased journalist.

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Now we have some members

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of the mainstream media who are Democrats

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with press passes, openly pushing a

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partisan agenda, and as a result,

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fake news has become mainstream. This is

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allowed with Gianno Caldwell, Welcome

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back to allow With Gianno Caldwell, I got

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an exciting show for you guys this week.

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My guests as the one and only Hare's

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Faukner at six time Emmy Award winning

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journalist and when I say journalists,

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I mean real journalists, big j journalists.

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You can see Fawkner each week on

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the Fox News Channel hosting both The Fawkner

0:57

Focus and Outnumbered. Fockner,

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who grew up in a military family, is also a

1:02

best selling author of The Nine

1:04

Rules of Engagement, a military's bratt's

1:06

guide to life and Success, which came

1:08

out in Today. Faulkner

1:11

and I talked about the integrity of the press, fake

1:13

news at its worst in the state of

1:15

journalism. Let's go. Wow.

1:18

You know what, I've never heard your voice on podcast.

1:22

My heart rate has now gone down. Oh.

1:26

I'm so honored to have you here with

1:28

me. I'm so excited to be with you. No, no,

1:30

I mean it's it's really an honor. And

1:32

I mean you're You're just a veteran that one

1:35

did a lot of us respect, whether

1:37

you be young or old. You're somebody that

1:39

we all look up to and hope to

1:41

do as good of a job as you, which we

1:44

know it's nearly impossible, but you

1:46

know, one can help preparation

1:48

absolutely. Now. I think what's

1:50

interesting is a lot of people may not know

1:53

what roots you came from from before

1:55

you joined Fox News Channel. A lot of people just

1:57

kind of think you you joined a Fox.

2:00

You have a long history

2:02

of journalistic journalistic experience,

2:05

starting at the local level. Can you walk people through your

2:07

background? Well? Sure, I mean I started

2:09

out in a very small market, Greenville,

2:12

Washington, New bern In that market,

2:14

it was mainly known for East Carolina University.

2:18

It was a very small town that I was in,

2:20

the home of news citadat in

2:24

Eastern Caroline. Um, I'm

2:26

trying to do my best giano. We

2:30

were also known for, unfortunately,

2:32

m pretty deadly hurricanes in that

2:35

area and different types

2:37

of of crime that would make national

2:39

news. Like my very first day

2:42

on the job, my news director, Roy Hardy,

2:45

he was always clearing his throat, sweetest

2:47

old man, but he had a sixth sense of humor,

2:50

and he said, well, we're gonna cut your teeth

2:52

today. We've got either the

2:54

KKK rally or

2:59

we have a man and holding people hostage at

3:01

East Carolina University. We think

3:03

there's like some familiarity, maybe a spouse

3:06

or a girlfriend or something. They're in the admissions

3:08

office. Shots fire, and he looks around

3:10

the newsroom and I've got my back to everybody

3:12

because I'm facing him. My first

3:15

opportunity to work Gana. They put me on some

3:17

some milk crates. There I am and

3:21

h on my milk crate, looking at the news director

3:23

with everybody else behind me at a desk, and

3:26

I don't know what the hand signals were or whatever, but they

3:28

chose that hostage situation for me.

3:31

In a bright pink suit,

3:33

much like I'm wearing this dress today. I

3:36

had a pair of heels

3:38

and Kevin O'Brien.

3:41

He was taking passed recently. He changed so

3:43

many careers. He was he was so good

3:46

with reporters and honing us for the rest of our careers.

3:48

And he came over and he was always eating. He always

3:51

had like a long sandwich. His car always had food.

3:53

And he came

3:55

over and he was eating a sub and he goes,

3:57

Harris, what kind of a name is that? I

4:00

said, well, boy, He said, ah,

4:03

well, look at you. You look like a bottle of pep

4:05

bo bismol. And

4:08

I said really, And he goes those shoes though,

4:10

that's I don't I don't know you can wear

4:12

those heels. I mean, it's potentially

4:15

a killing scene. That's

4:17

okay, let's roll. So we

4:19

get into his old station wagon with the panel

4:21

doors. I mean, the station didn't have a lot of money,

4:24

so our news vehicles look like leftovers

4:26

from the Brady Duns. So

4:28

we get to the scene and there's national media

4:31

there because I

4:33

mean East Carolina University is a huge school

4:36

and CBS has come from Rawleigh

4:39

and everybody's there, and

4:41

because our team had gotten

4:43

there and they were switching like another

4:46

reporter who'd been there since early

4:48

that morning out with me and

4:50

someone said, who's that. Kevin goes,

4:52

that's a new girl. Are we calling girls

4:55

now? Right?

5:00

And so I do my my first life

5:02

hit ever in my career, in my life,

5:05

and shots fired again

5:08

and Kevin Kevin wants over and he

5:10

goes, I got a call from the news room.

5:13

Apparently there's somebody out here with a baby gun.

5:16

Really, he goes, yeah, if you're in a clicking noise.

5:19

I was like, oh, do you think they're close to us? And he goes,

5:21

oh, I think they're might close. So

5:24

I was so nervous that the little rubber

5:26

plastic things on the back of your heels had

5:29

worn out on my shoes and the metal was

5:31

clicking on the cement. My

5:35

legs are shaking, and the multidirectional

5:37

mike that he had on his camera and my

5:39

my handheld apparently something was picking

5:41

it up. And it was like the

5:44

whole time I was talking, and he goes, I don't

5:46

know if your feet no Morris covid, but can you

5:48

take those things off? So

5:51

there I stood barefoot now the new

5:53

Girl over eighteen and

5:58

the Evening News took a couple

6:00

of my hits because CBS couldn't get as close

6:02

as we were baptism

6:05

under fire. There began my breaking news career

6:07

and by that night I had done probably

6:09

for different affiliates around the country. Probably

6:13

what and how old were you at this point?

6:16

Uh? Four

6:19

twenty four, first time

6:22

live hit and you're

6:25

national in a local market.

6:28

Wow. Yeah, I

6:30

wish I could see see some of that coverage. I'm

6:32

sure just outstanding, just pictures

6:35

with me on the internet. First of all, the hair

6:37

arrived before I did, and

6:44

um, but I will tell you that

6:48

three days later I did get sent to that KKK

6:51

rally, and the

6:53

news director then figured out that I was a

6:56

serious person and he came over

6:58

and he said, you know, I know

7:00

it's only been a couple of days, but I kind of

7:02

like you. I'm kind of growing affectionate of your

7:05

work ethic. He said, I'm

7:07

sending you to that KKK rally

7:09

because they had changed because of the weather and

7:11

got a different permit or something. And now he's

7:14

just landing planes on my head because I don't know

7:16

what the heck he's talking about because my eyes are this

7:18

big. Um, well, no

7:20

one can see us because we're looks

7:23

like a cartoon character where the cat's tail gets stepped

7:25

on in their eyes get real big. That's me. And

7:28

I said, well, what do you want me to do with the rally? And he goes,

7:30

I want you to stay alive. I

7:33

like, is that a choke? And he goes

7:36

no. He said, you know, the

7:38

last couple of reporters we've sent, you

7:40

know, they came back. They weren't sure if they wanted

7:42

to do this as a career. And he said,

7:44

but I'm not sending you with some

7:46

kind of a test. It's going on and

7:49

it's part of what we do, and we're going to cover

7:51

it. And it's free speech, and they have a permit.

7:54

A couple of suggestions, don't

7:58

talk from when people talk. If you asked somebody

8:00

a question, you need to listen. And I said, why

8:02

did the k k knot like to be interrupted? He

8:04

goes no, these are like lifetime suggests.

8:11

Suggestion. You know, I

8:14

was so young and I said, well, what's the

8:16

other suggestion that you have for me? Mr Hardy?

8:19

And he said, I want you

8:22

to be as good every day

8:24

as you were on that campus. I

8:27

want you to stay focused and

8:29

to know what it should be in your focus.

8:33

And I said all those years ago

8:36

that if I ever got my own show named

8:38

after me would have that word in it. And

8:41

it's taken me a quarter centry to get

8:43

here. And I have the Faulkner

8:45

Focus weekdays at eleven am on the East

8:47

Coast, and now we have the Fawkner Focus,

8:50

as you said, week days eleven

8:52

am on the East Coast, and you also

8:55

host and actually the

8:57

veteran centerpiece host of Outnumbered.

8:59

It well noon, How is that to have these

9:02

two hours, which you've been having two

9:04

hours for some time now, but just to go from

9:07

your show to Outnumbered and

9:09

to be talking about these news stories on a day to day

9:11

basis, you know, Gosh,

9:15

why not hear people say blessed beyond

9:17

measure? I always wonder

9:20

whether or not UM people

9:23

really understand the meaning of those words.

9:27

And in the past year, I think I've done

9:29

eleven pandemic specials, a couple of

9:31

them prime time. Blessed

9:34

to do a job and work for

9:37

a corporation where they

9:39

are never offended

9:41

by me talking about my faith times

9:45

and we know we've had some as a country. I

9:47

don't prophesize on the air, but

9:50

I when when people ask me directly,

9:52

how do you account for your success? I say

9:55

there, but by the grace of God, go live, um

9:59

and beyond measure because I

10:02

didn't see all of it, kind of some

10:04

of it I didn't even ask for. Some of

10:06

it isn't exactly what I did ask for. It's

10:09

right on time, and it's by design. And

10:12

so every day I look at

10:14

those two shows, the Faulkner Focus

10:16

and out Numbered as God's

10:21

blessing my

10:24

path. He has

10:26

expectations for me, and

10:28

I have purpose in my life, and

10:31

I'm supposed to do the very

10:33

best I can for both

10:36

of those categories to meet the expectations

10:38

that the Good Lord was set for me, which is to

10:41

do my work with integrity and honesty

10:43

and respect for others. Um

10:46

with a little sense of humor sparkled in because

10:48

I think that's what he wants me to be, and

10:51

that is such. I mean, you tell

10:53

some really great stories, but speaking

10:56

of what's expected of you and

10:58

mentioning and tag grety and that's

11:00

one of the reasons why I wanted to speak with you today

11:03

to talk about the integrity of the press.

11:06

Uh, fake news that is worse than the state of journalism,

11:09

which um, a lot of people have

11:11

said journalism isn't the journalism of

11:13

your your days back when you're in local

11:16

television. Things have really changed

11:19

for a lot of people, and for years, a lot of people, especially

11:21

conservatives, have criticized

11:23

the mainstream media for his quote unquote liberal

11:25

bias. But liberal bias

11:27

implies journalists are still doing their

11:29

basic jobs of reporting their news,

11:32

just to some degree of bias

11:34

and silantic coverage. Today, however,

11:36

it seems we've gone from biased journalists

11:38

too in some cases partisans

11:41

democrats with press basses openly pushing

11:43

a political agenda, no longer even

11:45

pretending to report the facts. What

11:48

do you think of that assessment? Is people

11:50

have been talking about that, whether it be on Fox News

11:52

Channel or anywhere else. Well,

11:54

Gianna, I think you hit the nail on the head. Um.

11:58

We are on a journey, and as

12:00

we move through, what

12:03

I like to say, from adventure to adventure, we're

12:06

going to some place we've along the way we've

12:08

never been before. Uh and

12:11

is it the best place to be? Well? I wish it

12:13

were just bias, but I

12:15

see Haye as a black woman

12:18

in media. I see articles dedicated

12:21

to why do they leave her out? When

12:23

they mentioned in the award winning journalists,

12:26

major publications, major broadcasts,

12:29

what I call the alphabet suit networks,

12:31

ABC, CBS, NBC. I

12:34

don't get offended because it's

12:36

been the course for my entire career. I'm

12:39

not what everybody thought I was going to be, and

12:42

for some I'm not black enough. I you

12:44

know, I want both sides of the story,

12:47

but I want all sides of the story because they're

12:49

not they're normally not just too um.

12:52

I want the exclusive video

12:54

that really shows what happened at the police

12:56

shooting of McKay

12:59

ryan. I want that one. I

13:01

want the one from the neighbor on

13:04

top of the garage, not just

13:06

the one we're being fed to the media by

13:08

someone's cell phone or whatever. I want

13:10

the whole spherical look

13:12

at things. And then I want the

13:15

space and the grace to

13:17

ask the good questions and not to

13:19

grade the answers. I

13:22

want to stand in the space that is so

13:24

divided as a nation right now and

13:26

here from everybody. And

13:28

I think we very hardy for starting me out

13:33

with a KKK rally because

13:36

some of the best interviews I've ever done in

13:38

my career. You know, not everybody

13:40

have cell phone back then. So I try to find that three quarterage

13:42

tape that that weighs, you know, as much as

13:44

my first child of earth. Um.

13:49

But they were listened to because I took his advice,

13:51

and when I asked a question, they talked to me. They knew

13:53

who they were talking to. I mean, I've never been anything

13:55

but blacks. They talk different at the rally.

13:58

But I take this experiences into

14:01

today, where we're so divided and the word

14:03

racism is dropped everywhere, and I see reporters,

14:06

back to the point of your question. I see

14:08

reporters not even resisting

14:12

saying well that's a quote, or you know, I

14:15

see them getting involved in the protests.

14:17

I see them like I I

14:20

want to say that that's not what's happening. But

14:22

when I listen to their words, I

14:24

hear that that even the violent protesters

14:27

have a right to space. And they're

14:29

quoting the mayors and the and

14:31

and the leadership in certain cities where things

14:33

have broken off and gotten violent, but they're not

14:35

going to those offices and demanding answers.

14:38

Who's advocating for the business owners?

14:41

Like I see this on my shows

14:44

and on Fox, but I don't see that everywhere.

14:47

So what I take it to mean if

14:50

you're not willing to go get the whole truth, you must

14:52

be complicit in the half truth. And I don't

14:54

like going there, so don't drag me. So if you want

14:56

to leave me out of stuff as much as I

14:59

you know, respect to appreciate. Why didn't

15:01

you give it a word to Harris Faulkner. Um,

15:05

Because I don't. I don't follow a narrative. I'm

15:08

too busy trying to figure out what's

15:11

actually going on and talking

15:13

with people who may not agree with each other. But

15:16

it's important to talk to all side, you

15:18

know. And and we're in a space now

15:21

where we have a president who

15:24

says I've

15:26

been told not to take questions Jinsaki,

15:28

the White House Press secretary this week. Well

15:30

we'd rather he didn't. Really,

15:34

Well, we'd rather he did after

15:37

that pipeline to Bakle and millions

15:39

of people and gas shortage situations

15:41

across more than a dozen states. Um.

15:45

A reporter asked, so, Mr President, were

15:47

you aware the

15:49

the private corporation Colonial took a

15:51

five million dollar pot of cash and gave

15:53

it to the Russian hackers

15:56

as ransom?

15:58

Now you know what that means. If one

16:01

company does it, fifty

16:03

will do it. Maybe they already have been

16:06

so he had already walked away because he was He took two

16:08

questions, two or three questions. You

16:10

know, I'm not saying any moreries. You know he's

16:12

gonna need a ben a drill for the allergy he has. We're

16:14

taking press questions. So he comes

16:16

back to the microphone and just to lean in and

16:18

say, I have no

16:21

comment. I would have follow it up with he's

16:24

your comment that you

16:26

don't know the answer, or is your comment

16:28

that you can't say the answer? Shout

16:31

it? If you have to let him talk

16:33

to you as he walks away. Make it harder

16:35

and harder and harder to be ignored

16:39

as a press because

16:42

we only have one role to

16:45

serve the American people with great questions.

16:48

We have one job. Now.

16:50

I do love her and makeup, but

16:54

that's not my job. I

16:57

even put some on for this podcast. I

17:00

appreciate that. Before we move on,

17:03

let's take a quick break back in a second.

17:08

It sounds like you're giving career advice to a lot

17:10

of those activist reporters

17:12

out there, and that brings you to my next question, because

17:15

you you mentioned something that I think

17:17

people really especially

17:19

those who are enterppressed, those who work in

17:22

our industry. During the Trump

17:24

era, we saw a slew of news reports

17:26

saying that Trump Bastlar military,

17:29

colluded with Russia and so on. Many

17:31

of these reports had to be corrected

17:33

or even retracted. I want to go over

17:35

a couple of specific ones with you in a

17:38

moment, But before then, pretty much all of these

17:40

reports relied exclusively on

17:42

anonymous sources. As a journalist,

17:45

what do you think about the use of anonymous sources

17:47

and reporting? Is it too

17:50

easily abused because we see a lot of

17:52

activism going on in journalism. Now, well,

17:55

let's get to what in anonymous sources,

17:57

because apparently it has a different meaning for everybody

17:59

and aim. A source is something that you

18:01

and your news management all

18:04

note together. I don't

18:06

trust any reporter who's the only person

18:09

keeping the information because we get kidnapped and

18:11

killed all over the world. What are you trying to do?

18:14

Like you got to tell somebody

18:16

off the record, include and

18:18

you should tell people when you take people off the record.

18:21

Look as Connie

18:24

Chung, between you and me is

18:26

always a point where people tune in with a

18:29

microphone, honey. So the way

18:31

we as journalists are are trained to

18:33

do is I will

18:35

make the determination with you

18:37

and my news management off the record

18:40

now a lot of times, if I know I'm going to do

18:43

an interview, I'll check in with

18:45

our senior vice president of Daytime and I'll say,

18:47

look, if I'm called off the record, where

18:50

do we stand on that? And we'll talk

18:52

about the parameters of that. Uh.

18:55

We would much prefer Harris that would

18:57

be on background, which means if you could

18:59

corroborate whatever information they give you

19:01

with other sources, you can use it.

19:04

Because the reason somebody wants to go off the record

19:06

is because they don't want the finger pointed at them.

19:09

But anonymous sources is something different,

19:12

because anonymous sources can be someone

19:16

that you don't want to tell the public about. Well,

19:18

then set off the record, you

19:21

know I And then if it's off

19:23

the record, coroborated in a different way

19:25

so you can put it on the record. But when you say anonymous

19:27

sources, I start to get nervous because are

19:30

the sources also anonymous to the recorder? Did

19:32

you have a blind phone conversation? Assume

19:36

everything is recorded. Most of

19:38

us live in one party states anyway, So I can record

19:40

somebody, I don't have to get their permission.

19:44

I always tell young reporters, be careful when somebody

19:46

says between you and me and I

19:48

want to remain anonymous, be

19:50

careful the promises that you make, because

19:53

if they go out and kill somebody and they told you about

19:55

it, you got into brism. Wow,

19:58

I didn't. I didn't realize that. You you

20:00

you you better be clear

20:02

on what was on and off the record, what

20:04

you knew, why you knew it, Because if they recorded

20:07

and you didn't know, when you're in a one party state

20:09

and they played the tape for the car, well, you know, Harris

20:12

Faulkner knew, do you want to call?

20:14

Well? I told him. I guess

20:16

he thought we really really were, you

20:18

know, not gonna tell anybody, But I

20:20

felt like I could tell somebody, and

20:22

that reporter didn't talk me out of it. I mean,

20:25

look, even if you don't go anywhere

20:27

behind bars, you gotta you gotta spend your heart

20:29

on cash and try to defend yourself. Anonymous

20:33

sources make me nervous. Tell

20:36

the public. I've learned this on background. I've

20:38

been able to source it to other people

20:40

outside my original source, who

20:42

would like to remain unnamed.

20:46

But anonymous, we get into we get

20:49

into trouble. With that

20:51

concept of someone not knowing

20:53

anything about an individual. Look,

20:56

it didn't even work out for Assange's

21:00

true, you know, I mean, and

21:03

it's okay to have quiet

21:06

sourcing on things. It's responsible,

21:09

especially you know if I've had

21:11

victims of rape come to me and

21:14

they're their allegis. Day. This was very high

21:16

profile, and what do we do.

21:18

Well, I'm not going to out the names of a of a

21:21

rape victim. We we know the

21:23

by laws of journalism that you can

21:25

get somebody killed. So the point

21:27

isn't to say an anonymous

21:29

source told me blah blah blah. Now,

21:32

the point is I have spoken exclusively

21:35

and off the record with a victim,

21:38

but utilize some of the detail

21:41

to be able to work on the record

21:43

sources to tell you the following the

21:46

nursing home story, couldn't

21:48

even get a return email from the Governor

21:50

of New York, and they knew I had solid

21:52

information. So I found

21:54

a nurse in Boston who was

21:57

a young woman as signed had come here

21:59

the governor on TV and said, oh, they

22:01

need my help in the middle of the pandemic.

22:04

I'll go stay at a Time Square hotel with

22:06

a bunch of nurses and doctors and

22:08

and go volunteer and at particularly

22:10

nursing homes. That's where she was put

22:14

take a few pictures. That's what she

22:16

did about the four days she was crying.

22:18

To her family. She was like, I'm seeing things. People

22:20

are dying. They are giving us ppe. Oh

22:24

the story got bigger, and

22:28

I do something on the Falkner Focus and previously

22:31

outnumbered over time because my show used to follow

22:33

out number. Now it comes previous to it. They

22:35

are previous, But

22:37

I do something. I'm looking out for you, So

22:40

I always tell the viewer something's going on. That's

22:43

the local news part of me. And

22:45

you know that it's wrong and

22:48

you want somebody to look into it. Don't

22:50

forget where I am.

22:53

I mean, my roots are an investigative journalism.

22:55

My husband's one of the best investigators I've

22:58

ever met, investigative journalists. I

23:00

always say I didn't have an any before I met my

23:02

Tony,

23:07

and he's so friendly. People

23:09

don't even know, Oh, yes, I killed

23:11

him. I

23:13

think he's gonna be able to tell your things. So

23:17

you know, when journalists say

23:19

that they have anonymous sources, have

23:21

to start to ask, well, are the sources anonymous

23:24

to you? Do you know who they are. Have

23:26

you shared with your news management the parameters

23:28

of the secret keeping that you're doing. Is anybody's

23:31

life in danger by what you're holding

23:33

onto? These

23:35

are things that have to be talked about. Now

23:37

they don't talk about the lunch room,

23:40

but that's how it works, and most people don't

23:42

know the drill down down on that. Reporters

23:45

are made to look like you know, superheroes.

23:47

Oh, they know this, and they know that we

23:50

know things because people tell us and show us

23:52

things, and if we're really good at our

23:54

jobs, will match the facts that they're telling

23:57

us with the perspective

23:59

and the content of doing information

24:01

gathering around those facts to

24:04

try to get to the whole story.

24:06

So, in essence, it can easily

24:09

be abused. But that's

24:11

why you gotta be able to source things for yourself

24:13

and not just trust an anonymous source

24:15

in that way. Is that what you're saying. Yeah, you'll hear

24:17

me say this on the air all the time. So and

24:19

so even if it's routers or AP, they'll

24:22

say a source only

24:24

known to routers or you

24:26

know, I don't ever see them use the word anonymous

24:28

sources necessarily, but they'll say,

24:31

you know, we've done quiet sourcing on this or whatever.

24:33

And I will always say I

24:35

at Box News cannot independently bear I

24:38

do it with video all the time. You

24:40

know, the a people say this video shows and I

24:42

mean, well, it purports to show that, yes,

24:45

but that you never get the whole clip. And

24:47

there's always that point where just outside

24:49

the finger that was covering the lens, and

24:51

the next clip the finger gets moved and you're like, oh

24:53

my gosh, that's bob. Oh we do

24:56

know blah blah blah

24:58

blah blah. But they'll send you some weirdly

25:00

edited video or whatever and it purports to

25:02

show, is what I'll say. And until we can

25:04

we do that with video from from different countries,

25:07

I'll say, you know, uh, this

25:09

video appears to show blah blah blah. Now,

25:12

if it's the Iron Dome and they're firing

25:14

rockets from Gaza and blowing up houses,

25:16

we often see that who

25:19

apparently is doing this We found out in

25:21

that conflict that's going on

25:24

right now between Hamas, the terrorist

25:26

organization in Israel. UM

25:28

they now aren't just doing stuff in the air, They're

25:30

they're doing stuff on the ground. Uh.

25:33

And the Palestinian people who are caught

25:35

in the center of this and the Israeli people who are

25:37

Caughton center this. It's it's

25:39

heartbreaking, but it very much is. Moss

25:42

is a terrorist group and when they do stuff, we

25:44

may not be able to call the terrorist name, but we know where

25:46

the rockets are coming from. So that's kind of different.

25:48

But when you look at video and you're asked

25:51

to believe something based on a

25:53

little bit that's been edited, that's

25:55

when it's time to go deeper at what I want

25:57

to see among our young journalist, Giano.

25:59

I want to see that suspension

26:02

of automatic belief when somebody

26:04

tells you something. And to my next point

26:07

and my next question to you, because I think that's

26:09

the perfect jump off, I want to go through

26:11

a couple of egregious examples

26:13

of the media really messing up news

26:16

stories and then get your thoughts on

26:18

them. I'm sure you saw the Washington Post

26:20

report and early January the President

26:22

Trump pressor Georgia's top election

26:24

investigator to quote, find

26:26

a fraud in the election. It

26:29

turns out that the Post reporting was blatantly

26:31

fosse. In fact, two months later,

26:33

the paper stated that it misquoted Trump's

26:36

comments on the phone call in question,

26:38

and that he never actually said find

26:40

the fraud. This seems to be like it's

26:43

should be pretty straightforward. Just

26:45

listen to the recording of the phone call

26:47

and report what was said. How can a

26:49

professional journalists mess that up unless

26:51

they want to make the president look

26:53

bad? It just seems I don't understand

26:56

that piece. Well, first of all, anybody

26:58

looking at that a news manager whom

27:00

ever, has got to be and this is the word

27:02

that's key, curious enough to say, let's

27:04

listen to the whole calls we have it. They

27:07

reported a half truth because undoubtedly

27:10

they reported half of bocus on the tape, they

27:12

didn't listen to it. When you listen

27:15

to it, you see you hear the context

27:17

in the perspective of what the president was

27:19

saying, because you hear all of his words. That's

27:22

case in point of what I was just saying, You've

27:24

got to be curious enough to listen to the whole thing.

27:27

And then too, did anybody pick up the phone

27:29

and said, Mr President, we're about to go with the story.

27:33

What did you mean when you said this? That

27:36

makes your story more powerful, by the way, because then

27:38

you can say, well, we have this tape

27:41

and when we first got this tape,

27:43

we were told it said one thing. Now we realize

27:47

when you really listen to the whole thing, it says this,

27:49

we contacted the current president, who,

27:51

by the way, there were very few times you couldn't get

27:54

Trump on the phone to say

27:56

something. If you really really tried,

27:58

either him or one of his people,

28:01

Um,

28:03

you might even play the tape for them.

28:06

And then you get the benefit of asking, well, where

28:08

were you on this issue? You get the benefit of

28:10

asking and oh, by the way, if you do

28:12

your job really well, and you sit down with the President

28:14

of the United States at the hype of

28:17

the pandemic and rioting in the streets

28:19

of this country last June of and

28:22

he tries to tell you that he's done more for black

28:24

folks than Lincoln. Because you know your

28:26

history and you know his you

28:28

get to say this, Mr

28:31

President, we are for you. Yeah, you

28:33

get to say that because you're you're you're a student of history

28:36

and I'm talking about myself last year. And then

28:38

that's when you sat down with the president. That's when when you

28:40

sat down with the president. Try in Texas at a mega

28:42

church like fourteen hours before you had

28:44

a quarantine to come back to our houses, and we would

28:46

have been staying at the hotels trying to get home. The pandemic

28:49

was on fire at that point. And why do I

28:51

say all of that, because then we

28:53

got to further the conversation. We wouldn't even

28:55

deeper and had conversations about rapes alluding

28:58

in the shooting. Well, it came to them

29:00

here, Mr President, It came from here,

29:02

and I told him. And

29:04

you know, in my career there have been probably

29:07

count on one hand times

29:09

when other journalists write

29:11

about my work, and Mainstream Columbia

29:14

Journalism Review wrote a

29:16

whole article about that interview

29:19

and how to do it.

29:21

It takes patience and preparation, and

29:24

you gain the respect of the person across

29:26

from you because you're willing to do two things.

29:30

Ask real questions and listen to

29:32

their answers completely, and don't edit

29:34

them to the point where their answers are unrecognizable

29:37

when they get the air, Like Rhonda Santas,

29:40

is that your next example? No, no, no, I

29:42

mean that that just came to you said edited,

29:45

And um, I think back to that interview he

29:47

did for that Sunday show, and um,

29:50

the masking about COVID and donations

29:53

by the grocery store. And I

29:55

mean it seems as though again

29:57

activism and journalism trying

30:00

to especially for those who may be

30:02

conservative, trying to make them appear

30:04

in a light that isn't true. And

30:07

one has to ask, um, we

30:10

get where are we going with this? Because it's gotten

30:12

to the point where you really can't trust

30:14

the media in the sense that we

30:16

used to used to say. Okay, well, the AP

30:19

reported it, The New York Times reported

30:21

it, this other outlet reported it's true.

30:23

I believe what they're saying because

30:25

obviously they're going to source their information independently,

30:29

you would assume. But we're seeing a lot of headlines,

30:32

especially under the last four years of Trump,

30:34

where things were just simply putting not true. It

30:36

was like in a lot of cases, and

30:39

clearly he's willing to sit down and take tough

30:41

questions and and as president

30:43

and and after Um,

30:46

so getting at the truth is not impossible

30:48

to do, but you have to want it. You

30:50

have to actually want the truth more

30:53

than you want the narrative that you and

30:55

maybe your news manager sent human to get.

30:57

Yeah, I mean, you have to want the truth. And

31:00

you know, one that I think of now

31:03

is all of the rhetoric, and

31:05

Liz Cheney was one of them to going

31:08

after former President of Trump on the bounties.

31:11

Oh yeah, like she's getting you know, democratic

31:14

love right now because Republicans

31:16

fired her recently from the conference chair

31:18

post. But let's not forget who

31:20

we're talking about here, Like that there

31:23

was no information that there were bounties on the

31:25

heads of Americans soldiers.

31:28

It was being reported and

31:32

the president, Oh, why did you press

31:35

Russia and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

31:37

blah. And then you find out that

31:40

wasn't actually true. And I've had senators

31:42

on my program and say, we looked at the Intel

31:44

at the time. If there was a country putting bounties

31:47

on the head of American soldiers, look how many

31:49

serving members of Congress and

31:52

the Senate of the House and Senate or

31:54

form a military My gosh, we'd be umpired

31:56

to go do something about that. But

31:58

the Intel showed that that wasn't the case

32:01

yet. And you would expect

32:04

people across the bottle wild run with it because

32:06

it serves their political purposes, and how

32:09

it sounded the media to get there. And this

32:11

is and this is what really becomes because I remembering

32:13

people going the Intel community going

32:16

on politically, yeah, no

32:18

question about it. But it's it's amazing

32:20

to me to see so many

32:22

in the media reported as as

32:24

the gospel, and they've done

32:27

such a job to turn uh

32:29

kind of the main you know, center, not Center

32:31

America, not not the flyover

32:33

States per se. But folks in New York,

32:36

folks in l A. Make them believe

32:38

that they can't trust what goes on in conservative

32:41

media because it's so quote unquote so biased.

32:43

But then you look at things that are being

32:45

said over with the New York Times

32:48

and other outlets where it's just frankly

32:50

just not found it not true, and

32:52

people will believe a story simply put

32:55

because it was in the New York Times. Now

32:57

I'm interested in no one from you find

33:00

says obviously, and I work for Fox

33:02

News Channel, and everybody knows that this is listening

33:04

to. So Um what makes

33:06

Fox different than all the others. Clearly

33:08

we've been the number one voice and number

33:11

one watch for many many years. Um.

33:14

Clearly, you're real journalists who

33:16

has integrity and you

33:19

want to get to the story. You want to get to the facts,

33:21

no matter how it makes anyone. Look, whether

33:23

it be Donald Trump or Republican

33:26

or Democrat, facts are facts, and that's

33:28

what it is what makes us so different

33:30

than the rest. I'm not afraid

33:33

to go counter to any narrative that's

33:36

there. I'm

33:38

not And I think we are

33:40

bold and we are scrappy at

33:42

Fox, and we have

33:45

a healthy sense of skepticism.

33:48

And I don't believe something that is

33:50

written just because it's at the time to the post.

33:53

But even that young journalists on her first

33:56

day in her mid twenties didn't believe

33:58

with them.

34:00

First of all, I know everybody has an agenda,

34:03

everybody's got a point of view. And

34:05

I learned in school that there's

34:09

no such thing as being without

34:12

bias. We all have biases. You

34:16

have to be objective and

34:18

a truth sircer, sir searcher

34:21

and a truth seeker. But we all

34:23

come to the table with our life experiences

34:25

and our point of view. It's

34:28

sometimes they can serve as well to ask even

34:30

better questions.

34:32

So I think it's too much to assume that

34:35

anybody is going to come at their job without

34:37

a point of view. The question is

34:39

can they still be professional and

34:43

a Fox we're different, We don't hide

34:45

the fact that we're

34:48

hungry at all times,

34:51

starved for what we don't see,

34:53

because see, we're gonna get eight plates of what everybody

34:56

sees. We're really interested

34:59

in what's behind angle all of it, what's

35:01

underneaed, what's behind the curtain. And

35:03

that's really what makes this different. And you know,

35:08

when you look at the current administration,

35:10

the Biden administration, we're

35:13

more than a hundred days now. There

35:15

are simultaneous crises going

35:17

on, and I

35:19

know they don't like the word crisis, so let's use

35:22

what the words really are their disaster, multiple

35:27

fronts. You sent FEMA to

35:29

our border with Mexico because we had a hundred

35:31

and seventy two thousand people flowing over. You

35:34

sent FEMA to disaster and

35:36

that's in one month, the number you just quoted April.

35:38

Yeah, those are those recent numbers. We

35:40

had a disaster go on after

35:43

you canceled Keystone pipeline in your first

35:45

day president two billion dollars in wages.

35:47

Then we really could have used some extra coil

35:50

when colonial got hacked and I don't

35:52

even think you knew all the details of that because

35:55

they played some ransom of five million

35:57

dollars and you might have wanted to know that we could

35:59

see another one next week based on appcating

36:01

if I'm a hacker, I'm going dang this,

36:04

Hayes comedies

36:07

are crazy. Come on, come on, how

36:11

does that make sound? It's got some

36:13

truth to it because we don't

36:15

have all eyes on the topic. And when the President

36:17

was asked about it today, he leaned in and said

36:19

no comment, and not a reporter among

36:21

them shouted, what do you mean by no comment? You don't

36:24

know or you don't want us to know. Get out

36:26

the record with that stuff.

36:29

They were all over Trump, which

36:32

is why when I sat down with him,

36:35

I respected his time. He

36:38

took questions, every question,

36:41

and I realized that

36:45

that's part of the president's job, and he accepted

36:47

that. I love Biden once

36:49

a part of this job. I mean, it

36:51

looks like maybe he doesn't or has been told not

36:53

to want uh. He said

36:55

today, Oh, you know, I hate not to take your

36:58

I love taking your question. And then he took two

37:00

or three and walked away. And I'm like, well, that's how

37:02

you express load for taking questions.

37:05

What does it look like when you don't want to

37:07

Oh, they're the same thing. They're

37:10

so confused we got a lot going on

37:12

that feel like and our legitimate

37:14

disasters. What's happening at our police

37:17

departments now? Look at New York Mayor

37:19

de Blasio just said he wants to maybe

37:21

I want to take another look at that defund situation.

37:24

They took away a billion dollars in the midst

37:26

of all the rioting last summer, and it didn't even get

37:28

anybody off the streets right away. That the streets

37:30

don't They're insatiable. They don't have any leadership

37:32

of the streets. I mean that the women

37:35

who founded BLM, the organization,

37:37

not the movement. They're pusy, bad

37:39

houses vacation.

37:43

They were'ty be going to Chicago where black and black

37:45

crime is off the schizzl.

37:48

You know, I know a lot about that. I know you

37:50

do. I know you do, And I hope

37:52

you talked to your audience about the

37:54

truth in these matters because they won't see it

37:56

depending on what they're watching. They need to

37:58

be watching pop. Now you were

38:00

talking about Biden. Do do you get the sense

38:03

that maybe he's being controlled, that's

38:05

why he doesn't give questions,

38:07

gives you will see oftentimes when uh,

38:10

it comes time for that period of staff will say

38:12

yeah, we're not gonna do any questions, or he will

38:14

ask them. Now, I get it, a president will

38:17

allow some discretion when it comes to their

38:19

staff, but it seems as though he's really being

38:22

withheld in some of these instances. To me,

38:24

it does, and I'm not sure about your your thoughts

38:26

on that. So I brought up a point on an out

38:28

number that the panels seemed to

38:31

really agree with today.

38:34

UM, So I don't think anybody ended up being outnumbered

38:36

in this conversation, but I just made

38:39

an observation based on my own

38:41

journalistic experience. Um,

38:45

sometimes people don't want others

38:47

to take questions because they

38:49

are concerned that certain language

38:52

maybe us that the administration

38:54

is working on purging. So

38:58

why would yours walkers say that about President

39:00

Bidens administration Because

39:02

we know that they don't like to say the word crisis. They

39:06

don't, and

39:08

we know that he did and

39:10

when he said it, his press secretary and others

39:13

corrected him publicly. The

39:15

president was not correct. When I calls

39:18

that is humiliating,

39:20

Yeah, it is. It's like you're

39:22

talking about your child at that point. So

39:26

my question today is who

39:28

is the president capitulating to that he

39:31

feels that he needs to be cut to his

39:33

knees when it comes to how he wants to talk

39:35

about things. The most powerful

39:37

man probably on planet

39:39

was certainly in three moral the Western wre And

39:42

the interesting part about that, though, this

39:44

isn't the first time that's happened, if

39:47

you recall during his

39:49

time as Vice president Obama administration,

39:52

he gave an interview where he endorsed

39:54

gay marriage, and the Obama administration

39:57

did not want to and he was lished

40:00

on the sideline no more in media interviews

40:02

for months months, months on end, if

40:04

you recall that that time. So

40:06

he uh, certainly is a person

40:09

that you would naturally see go off script. But the

40:11

distinction here is your president,

40:13

what you say should go and you tell your

40:15

staff what to do, not the other way around. It's

40:18

not. It doesn't. And

40:20

you know, you bring up such

40:22

an excellent point, Gianna.

40:25

Back then it was going off script, counter

40:27

to administration. Right

40:30

now it is counterscript to administration.

40:34

We don't know who Joe Biden's because

40:36

he's not allowed to tell us. And

40:39

if you think he's showing us through his progressive

40:41

ways of things that he signed

40:43

on his first day, executive

40:46

orders and all these are killing the pipeline

40:48

and raising taxes and doing all these things,

40:50

since he's definitely

40:52

showing us the ways of the most progressive

40:55

people in his party. And when Alexandria

40:57

Cazzia Cortez and the

41:00

prior days to the election, was

41:03

caught up with by cameras on Capitol Hill

41:06

and walking fast and they

41:08

said, what are you gonna do about Joe Biden if he doesn't

41:11

want to kind of go left with you? The reporters,

41:13

I don't know who they were. In my head, that's

41:15

how they all sound so

41:18

and I guess I sound like that too when I'm running. Uh.

41:22

She said, we're going to push him. You

41:25

know what, I believe people when they show you

41:27

who they are pushing him. Question

41:30

is, why does the most powerful man allow

41:32

that, like what is going on behind the

41:34

scenes for Joe Biden that he

41:37

says words like oh, I can't I can't say

41:39

anything about I'll get in trouble.

41:43

So you know, he's fully vaccinated, and I know he's

41:45

an older man, and you do want to protect

41:47

him. He's the president of the United States. I get

41:49

it. He's at an outdoor event that's a car

41:51

event. Everybody's mask the cars are I

41:53

don't know how far away, but you couldn't see him in the picture.

41:56

He can't find his mask. He's taken it off

41:58

suddenly and he's on this big day is and

42:00

people are running to him, including his wife, Jill

42:02

Biden, and he leaves in the wife,

42:05

I can't find my mask. I'm gonna be in trouble.

42:07

What does he need? I

42:10

mean, I have children, I have I

42:12

have a sixth grader. She

42:15

knows the meaning of the words I'm in trouble.

42:17

I'm so blessed with bright, well behaved,

42:20

super smart girls. Every now

42:22

and then they have a mouth

42:24

on him like their mother, and they'll say something. I'm like,

42:26

they don't get in trouble. Who's the Harris

42:28

Walker? At this point,

42:30

we need to put him on the show. Are you smarter than the sixth

42:33

grader? I mean, we

42:35

need to find out. This

42:37

is a real question. We need production

42:40

companies. Where are you?

42:43

We really need to know that. You know, it's

42:45

thank you for your insight on that, because I

42:47

know not everyone's We're not all

42:49

crazy to be thinking that something is

42:51

up with the Biden administration.

42:54

It just doesn't make it's not making sense. We

42:56

had the idea that Kamala Harris is gonna be running

42:58

the show. And if she's running

43:01

the show, she's not doing too good of a job at

43:03

it because we've not seen her on the boarder. Yeah,

43:05

that one job. Have you seen her on the board

43:07

yet they give her a disaster to go handle.

43:10

Yeah, this is the thing. If

43:12

you're not willing to go and put eyes and ears

43:14

on something, how can you fix it? Now?

43:17

I look, I'm sure the woman is wonderful

43:19

with children. I don't know how many diapers she's changed,

43:21

But let me tell you from experience, I had a toddler

43:23

in the newborn I was changing. I've

43:26

never seen so much in

43:29

my life. I have yet to be able

43:31

to change a dirty diaper from a distance,

43:34

right, Indeed, that doesn't

43:36

happen. I mean, when you have mess to clean up, you

43:39

gotta you gotta roll up your sleeves and get

43:42

in there. Like there's no way to do

43:44

that from by proxy from a distance.

43:47

So I'm not saying she doesn't have other responsibilities,

43:49

but they gave her one job. So

43:52

in addition to that one job, she has all these other

43:54

things she needs to do. But that's her focus. And

43:56

she says you know, yeah, I'll get down there,

43:58

you know by now, I'll get down there or want at some point.

44:00

But she's at going him or

44:02

maybe he's at her. Yeah, we

44:04

we really don't know. This is by the way,

44:06

every time he called, every time he says President

44:08

Harris, you know what, perk up, we're

44:13

finding out the true president here is to switch

44:16

gears a little bit. You know, I'm

44:18

a bit interested. And how

44:20

is it being uh a

44:23

black woman in journalism? How has being

44:25

a black woman impacted your

44:27

rise in journalism? And of course have

44:30

you experienced any racism or sexism in

44:32

the industry, because I do find it

44:34

particularly interesting when they talk about

44:36

the fact that they'll often say

44:38

there's no black person

44:41

who's hosting a daytime show,

44:44

uh and cable television, and

44:46

clearly you're that. We've heard that for many

44:48

years. You are already hosting, and

44:51

they would often overlook you. And I'm

44:53

pretty sure people don't want to point

44:55

any audiences towards Fox News Channel,

44:58

a place where that shouldn't exist ist

45:01

according to some people on

45:03

the left. So how do you feel, how

45:05

did how did this contribute to your rise? What

45:07

are you thinking here? Well, first of all, I'm

45:10

kind of the

45:12

the mindset of diamond and rock. It

45:15

takes, you know, tough times

45:17

to polish that rock into something that's valuable.

45:20

And so I've always welcomed the challenges

45:23

that have come my way because

45:25

I understand that they are driven sometimes

45:27

out of jealousy,

45:30

out of misunderstanding, out of assumption,

45:32

out of the narrative that somebody has been handed

45:35

that I don't get. So I've never I've

45:37

never let it stop me. I have let

45:39

it shine me on me. Um.

45:43

You know, most recently, when

45:45

I was broadcasting at one pm Eastern,

45:49

I was beating broadcast

45:52

networks. In fact, the third

45:54

or fourth or fifth hour, Today's

45:57

I don't know whom tone of UM

45:59

are, Good Morning America, the third Hour or

46:01

whatever it was with Michael Strachan. I mean,

46:03

there were shows that went off the air. They

46:06

were not approaching the ratings that we have. I'm

46:09

out numbered. Over time, I

46:12

worked very hard, and I

46:14

do ascribe to the old adage

46:17

of you know, when they see a person

46:19

of color coming, because they're not many of us

46:21

who occupy the space as

46:23

content drivers in our industry, you

46:26

know, the people who actually have

46:28

to say in in creating shows. I'm

46:30

a content driver. I'm

46:33

a founding, not just talent

46:35

number about Numbered. I

46:38

helped create the foundation for that show with

46:40

its predecessor, I did. I designed the pilots,

46:44

spent that money doing it, and the network

46:46

backed it. So Outnumbered was

46:48

something that I worked on for a while.

46:52

And the power

46:55

that you get in this industry to change

46:57

lives to the people around you, to create

46:59

a legacy point for people

47:01

of color, for women, or as

47:03

I say, just an American who's got a dream

47:07

comes from how valuable

47:09

you make yourself on the job. And

47:11

my goal all along the matter the

47:13

color of my skin or my gender or whatever has

47:16

has been decreed value for myself on the job.

47:18

I want to be that person that when big

47:22

bosses have a problem they

47:24

call her as Faulkner to eliminate it. That

47:28

we got a problem at new and something something's

47:30

not reading. This was seven years ago

47:33

April. We just celebrated our seventh

47:35

anniversary birthday on member Congratulations

47:38

what do you have? Because they know I'm a content

47:40

driver. I write, I produced shows

47:42

like that's I made. I'm one of Miami's

47:45

I mean, I edited the

47:47

product, so I'm

47:50

all over everything in that sense, I want

47:52

to understand, really really understand

47:55

how we do our business on storytelling

47:57

and journal wants and how has it done from the ground. And

48:02

there have been times that I know that I

48:04

have been kept at bay because,

48:09

well, you know, we want to send you on the story. It's

48:12

what I call the black girl stories, where they only send

48:14

you on things that were people of color are happening.

48:17

And I've had my fillowed that early in my career,

48:19

and I said, I want you to send me on on news, not

48:22

just places where race is involved.

48:26

You know. Um, oh, well,

48:29

and if that's my only value to me to

48:32

you, then let me end my contract so I can find

48:34

somebody who will utilize me for

48:36

every thing that I have, not

48:38

just the one thing that you consider to be amrit.

48:41

I can't change the color of my skin, So

48:43

if that's what you value most about me, I can't

48:45

even enhance it. I'm

48:49

just what I am. But if

48:51

you're looking at my skills, I

48:53

can enhance them. I can become more valuable

48:55

to you day by day. And you

48:58

know, race now is

49:00

used like a weapon by

49:02

people who don't even deserve to utter it from

49:04

their lips. I'm losing

49:07

an argument, your racist right

49:10

what is that? And look at some of the Democrats

49:12

against Senator Tim Scott, the

49:15

racial slurs that were

49:17

hurled at him, retweets

49:20

from Democrat guests, not

49:22

lawmakers necessarily, but strategists

49:25

from my show, I haven't had the back

49:27

on because they were retweeting that

49:29

racist slur that Twitter curated

49:32

to make a trend. That wasn't an

49:34

algorithm that did that. Twitter

49:36

exacts have human bodies that makes up trend.

49:39

I wasn't aware of that. Oh

49:41

yeah, oh I got all deep. We cover that story

49:43

for days on on Falter

49:45

Focus because I said, look, it

49:49

trended on Twitter because somebody decided that

49:51

Uncle Tim would take on Uncle Tom

49:54

was incendiary and would further divide people

49:56

and drive traffic all over the platform

50:00

jump And that's what they did.

50:03

And it took them eleven hours, after

50:06

much requesting and everything. Took them eleven

50:08

hours to take down that racial tweet and to and

50:10

to make it not fiery.

50:14

Every time somebody clicked on and retweeted

50:16

it, twoter did would have wanted to,

50:20

and thereby encouraged people

50:22

to keep retweeting it.

50:25

And many of them look just like you and me, And

50:27

how could we do that to someone anyone,

50:30

but let alone someone who

50:32

looks like us. But you know, um,

50:35

again, we started this conversation about bias.

50:38

See I see it differently. I don't think that's just bias.

50:41

I think that's Hey, absolutely,

50:43

I don't disagree. We need the policy.

50:45

Here for a quick break, but we'll be back in a second.

50:52

You've been public about the fact that

50:54

you're you're married. Um, you

50:56

have interracial marriage, and you have bi racial

50:58

kids, and you get a lot

51:00

of hate for that, don't you. Oh

51:02

yeah, and you know now I'm starting

51:05

to disengage a little bit with

51:07

people on those issues on platforms

51:09

because my children are getting older and

51:12

my biracial children are being

51:14

told I had to have a

51:16

conversation with a woke school

51:19

administrator not too many days ago. I'll

51:21

skip names and places and dates, but

51:24

um, well, you know, we're trying to teach

51:27

the children of color, um understanding

51:30

about their journey. And I said, well, my child's

51:32

journey is to get an education, or we're

51:34

studying history and science and those

51:36

things. Well, but we want

51:38

them to understand that they're black and white.

51:41

Oh you don't think they know? Have

51:44

you? Have you seen my daughter's hair texture? We

51:46

can go from fabulously

51:49

Diana where else wig looking naturally

51:53

to a blowout money that will make a Kardashian

51:55

look like she fell into us Alon.

52:01

We got everything covered here? So what are you teaching

52:03

my girls? I mean, I need for you to teach

52:05

them the part that I'm not teaching

52:07

them while I'm at work. Oh well, you know, we

52:10

pride ourselves on this is the administrator

52:13

on giving the child the full experience. And I

52:15

said, well, what what is

52:17

a full experience for a viracial child? To

52:20

you? Well, they must fully understand

52:22

that society sometimes may be confused

52:24

about who they are and they have to choose.

52:26

And I'm like, choose what. Well, I

52:28

can see that this is going in circles. I

52:30

said, I'm glad you can see it, because

52:33

I hate to give you a wrong impression. I

52:39

mean, I do find that that

52:41

people want to be helpful. I

52:44

also find that they are wilful in their

52:46

own ignorance, because what they don't understand

52:48

is that the greatest help you can give

52:51

me and my kids and my friend

52:53

Giano Caldwell, it's a

52:55

shot at the American dream and to call

52:57

us American first. And

52:59

I don't want you to give me a shot because I'm gonna

53:01

take one. That's

53:03

it. That's it. We made

53:06

up in our minds we're not asking for permission.

53:08

We're going in. We're gonna put We're

53:10

gonna put are all out there, and someone don't

53:12

recognize it. We will put points on the board

53:15

and the person who says, yeah,

53:17

I think that guy or that girl deserves a

53:19

shot, they will be the lucky one. And I

53:21

don't even use the word luck, They'll be the blessed one.

53:24

Yeah. I love that. And you know, there

53:26

there was nothing wrong with loving everybody,

53:29

people to love somebody. That That's one thing

53:32

that I think we learned in people

53:34

in the streets. The peaceful protesters

53:37

were side by side, and they were from every

53:39

walk of life, absolutely word with each

53:41

other. And George Floyd's

53:43

death was worth The

53:45

President of the United States, Donald Trump, and

53:48

I sat and talked about that and

53:50

I and he said, you know, he was curious about my perspective

53:53

on it, and I said, well, for me, Floyd

53:56

called out my name, you called that mom.

54:00

So I came to it from

54:02

a different perspective when I watched that video

54:04

tape, and I love

54:06

that conversation with the President. I mean, I like having

54:09

real conversations with people. And

54:13

if we learned nothing from last year, it

54:16

is that we are in this together. And

54:18

look at some of the peaceful protesters, and

54:22

look at the people that we have in our lives, most

54:25

of us. You know, you hear people talking

54:27

about communities of color. Well,

54:29

we live in America and there are people from all

54:31

walk of all walks of life and neighborhoods.

54:34

Now, there are poor neighborhoods, middle

54:36

clas neighborhoods. But but I

54:38

like to say that neighborhoods belong

54:41

to all of us. And if there's a

54:44

place that's hurting, like your former home

54:46

in Chicago, the

54:48

protesters should go there and

54:50

help. Look at Baltimore. Have you seen

54:52

the statistics for them right now?

54:55

But they're the most like dangerous place in America.

54:57

Look at those numbers, Gianna, we're

55:00

the protesters. Where are the protesters?

55:02

I guess they don't want to protest those different plats who

55:04

were in office and have been in the office and that in

55:07

that city for five years or something. Even

55:09

New York City, you see the dial up of the

55:11

crime and the violence of a place which

55:14

everyone celebrated in New York City is an

55:16

American city. Is it was a crown

55:18

jewel for for so long and things

55:20

want to rye when they allow

55:23

people to kind of run wild in the streets, and

55:25

it's it's very disappointing. But thankfully

55:28

we've seemingly turned at least

55:30

a bit of a page and hopefully

55:32

things can go in the right direction, especially with new

55:34

leadership in these cities. No, I wanna

55:37

before we let you go, because I

55:39

know that you have a very,

55:42

very valuable time and I appreciate

55:44

that and thank you for spending so much of it with me.

55:46

For my final question, I want to shift from

55:48

the media to your upbringing. You

55:51

grew up in a military family, and we know that

55:53

your dad, God rest his soul,

55:55

is no longer with us. He was a military man

55:58

and in you wrote

56:01

the best settling book, Nine Rules of Engagement,

56:03

a military's bratt's Guide to life

56:06

and success. Can you talk

56:08

a bit about what it was like growing up in a military

56:10

family and how that shaped you as

56:12

to who you are today and what you believe. Thank

56:15

you for mentioning my father. We did lose

56:17

him on Christmas Day,

56:21

so it's been a tough six months without

56:23

Dad. We're seeing some of the first post

56:26

that period holidays, Easter and

56:29

Mother's Day and upcoming Father's Day without

56:31

him. And he was such

56:33

a huge pillar in our family, not

56:36

not just my im media family, but all across

56:38

the state of Texas where my parents were from.

56:41

And I was born on a

56:43

military base and in Lanta, Georgia, lived

56:48

and Stookgard, Germany. He

56:50

was at Command College at Levenworth, Kansas,

56:53

lived there Fort Leavenworth, Fort monoth New

56:55

Jersey, and throughout

56:57

all of that moving around. UM

57:00

I was born, raised in transferred on a

57:02

brat and I have always known who

57:04

I am and whose I am, and I

57:06

belonged to the Lord, and I am dedicated

57:09

to this country. And it just so happens

57:11

that I chose a profession that

57:13

has mentioned in the Constitution as

57:16

such First Amendment free

57:18

speech. I really have dedicated to hold

57:20

and powerful accountable. And

57:22

I'm dedicated to this idea and

57:25

the pursuit of happiness and all things are possible.

57:28

My father was called to serve in

57:30

the Vietnam War at a time when colors

57:33

only signs were rough and hits here

57:35

and black's there, and

57:37

we were in the South, and Um

57:40

he used to say to his brothers. And they said

57:42

this at his funeral, huge military

57:46

the cemetery in Dallas National,

57:50

Dallas Fort Worth National, very cold

57:52

day and after

57:54

Christmas um

57:58

and you could hear my uncle's voices

58:00

echoing, because of course we were all socially distanced.

58:04

And they said, our brother Bob

58:07

used to say that he would rather serve America

58:11

than any other nation in the world, because

58:13

even though she may struggle, the

58:15

most potential for all of us, any

58:18

of us, is here. So

58:21

I grew up believing that and knowing that, and

58:25

I don't have any doubt about that. So

58:28

if we can make it through the fifties and sixties

58:30

and early seventies, we can

58:32

make it through two thousand

58:36

and beyond. But we

58:38

really have to think for ourselves, and

58:41

we really have to be dedicated to

58:43

goodness. So

58:47

I think of it this way. The

58:50

more we support each other and those in our

58:52

our neighborhoods, the better off life is going

58:54

to be. So get to

58:56

know your neighbors, especially if

58:58

they're police officers. You never know when

59:00

you might have to call on one. Won't get

59:04

to know all of your neighbors if they're in trouble

59:06

and they have people in their lives where

59:10

they need some shoring up. Mental

59:13

health is not a crime. If

59:17

you know of someone who hasn't left their house

59:19

in a one and they

59:22

want to go get a vaccination and they need help get

59:24

anything, put

59:26

on a mask and go get them. I'm fully

59:28

vaccinated. So if it's outside a role

59:30

anywhere, but

59:33

help people out because

59:35

the government doesn't have control over your

59:38

heart. And that's how I was raised

59:40

military. You've lived up

59:42

people when they need your help. Wow,

59:44

that was really, that was very deep. Thank

59:46

you for that, for that impactful word

59:49

and sharing your faith with us, sharing your

59:51

your journey, your knowledge about

59:53

an industry that really is

59:56

supposed to provide

59:58

that level of integrity and transparent and see

1:00:00

when it comes to reporting just the facts

1:00:03

as a journalist, opinion folks are totally

1:00:05

different ballgames. We get that, but certainly

1:00:08

thank you for for business model.

1:00:10

It is, it is, it is, and it does quite well. Let's

1:00:13

be prepared. As my mom used to say, every

1:00:15

squirrel gets a nut. So every now and then the opinion

1:00:17

folks may stumble up on some truth and they can

1:00:19

work with it, um, but it's our job to

1:00:22

to bring all of it to bear and to let

1:00:24

the audience utilize that in their

1:00:26

lives. Thank you so much for joining

1:00:29

me today. And before I let you go, do you have anything

1:00:32

new projects coming out? You've got another book,

1:00:34

you're working on, what's next for you? You know?

1:00:36

I always have something going on, So I will

1:00:39

do specials, prime time specials.

1:00:42

Um. I've recently did the second

1:00:45

now, which I think is going to be a series that I'm

1:00:47

I'm dedicated to, and that

1:00:49

is looking at Police in America.

1:00:52

In fact, that was the title of it was only a couple of

1:00:54

weeks ago. So I'm already thinking, um,

1:00:58

where America needs to go with this whole idea

1:01:01

of one order. I think it's really important.

1:01:04

Um. And so that's that's kind

1:01:06

of what I am working on. I'm also

1:01:09

you know, Falter Focus is only two

1:01:11

months old, and so I'm building out that

1:01:13

show and sticking my

1:01:15

toe back in the studio now and

1:01:18

coming up with some ideas. So when when I'm

1:01:20

back in there with Kaylee

1:01:23

Mckininni and and Emily Company

1:01:25

on out Numbered regularly, we'll be back for

1:01:28

three days next week because their house hunting and doing

1:01:30

other things coming from the you know, from

1:01:32

Florida, from the West Coast, Seattle, wherever.

1:01:34

So as soon as we're all kind of back

1:01:36

in studio for more than just a few days

1:01:38

at a time, I'm gonna be

1:01:41

focusing a lot on the shows that I do

1:01:43

and coming forth with some new

1:01:45

ideas for that because I like de freshon

1:01:47

and of course having you on and

1:01:50

having deep conversations. I'm really dedicated

1:01:52

to bring in video now to the

1:01:54

Falkner Focus. Um, that's

1:01:56

my new thing. This week we had all of that exclusive

1:01:59

video of people sing the border illegally,

1:02:01

and our cameras were there and the border

1:02:04

patrol was completely out numbered, and

1:02:06

people need to know that. Into pitching idea

1:02:08

to you, the summer's heating up in

1:02:11

Chicago, send me as your man on the street there

1:02:13

to cover what's really going on in the communities.

1:02:16

Oh my gosh. Well, no, I have other places I want

1:02:18

to send you to. I mean, if you're really into it, yeah,

1:02:20

I'm really into it, let's go. No,

1:02:22

no, no, no, we need to go. We need to go see

1:02:24

those communities by the colonial pipeline.

1:02:27

We need to know what the reality of that situation really

1:02:30

has been on the ground. I'm absolutely with

1:02:32

you. Women have gone viral beating

1:02:34

each other up because somebody cut in line at the gas

1:02:36

station. When the Biden administration said

1:02:38

that there were no shortages and then today

1:02:40

said, well there might have been. We're trying to solve

1:02:42

it by the weekend. We need you. Absolutely.

1:02:45

I'm ready to go because I want to know the

1:02:47

truth about that, about that situation, and

1:02:50

would the with the Keystone pipeline have helped,

1:02:52

and those foremen that I had on my show at the time,

1:02:55

when at the Times January twentieth,

1:02:57

for goodness says it's not like it was that long ago, and

1:03:00

Biden said, we don't need keys still, I'm

1:03:03

here to tell you the facts on the ground

1:03:05

show us differently, he's deregulating.

1:03:09

That's a Republican pod because

1:03:12

what he's doing is not working. So he's deregulating,

1:03:15

um the parameters so that ships

1:03:18

who don't even have US flags can bring

1:03:20

can bring those tankers in what you

1:03:24

had, you had oil. And you say,

1:03:26

find a new job in green energy. If I have a

1:03:28

project, you might be my project.

1:03:32

Yeah, because I mean I'm curious. I

1:03:34

want and now that I'm traveling again,

1:03:36

I mean I'll go pop up. I've done border

1:03:38

shows before, I did a primetime special on immigration

1:03:41

right in the middle of the primary

1:03:43

season. That's when you go, it's

1:03:46

time, absolutely when

1:03:48

Republicans get ready to flip the House

1:03:50

and the Senate, and you know that's

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more than possible. That's historically

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absolutely. Well, thank you again here

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