0:00

Up next out loud with Johnno Cold

0:02

part of the beginning with school, Yo,

0:06

you gotta get your sister. Man. The

0:08

stranger who stopped us was talking to my uncle,

0:10

and the sister in question was my mom.

0:12

It was morning, springtime. I've

0:15

been walking to school with my uncle, who was

0:17

only five years older than me, when the man

0:19

saw us and dropped across the street. I

0:21

was nine. What do you mean? My uncle

0:23

asked, what's going on? She

0:26

you know? The guy looked pain,

0:29

considering his next words carefully, but eventually

0:31

he pressed the head. She

0:34

had sex with three or four dudes. He pointed, right

0:36

inside that building. She'd done it

0:38

for drugs. I thought he didn't have to say it. We all

0:41

knew pills, marijuana,

0:43

crack, cocaine. We stood

0:45

together, an odd fellowship in this alley

0:47

along seventy second Street, all

0:50

of us looking at the vacant building. It

0:52

loomed over us, a dead and empty thing

0:54

with shattered windows and yellow skin pilling

0:56

from the walls. I know

0:59

you gotta are hearing this, and you're wondering what

1:02

movie script am I reading from right now? But

1:06

it's actually a movie of my life, if you will, I

1:09

was nine years old, walking to

1:11

school with my uncle

1:13

when this member of

1:15

a gang stopped us to tell

1:18

him that his sister, my mom,

1:21

had sex for drugs, and

1:23

apparently it was a secret that

1:26

was no longer a secret because the entire neighborhood

1:28

knew. When I

1:30

went to school that day, I couldn't study,

1:32

I couldn't think. At times, I couldn't breathe.

1:35

The fact that my mom, someone

1:38

who brought me into this world, was

1:40

known as someone to do

1:43

whatever it took to get drugs

1:45

and feed her habit her addiction was

1:48

something that completely broke me. The

1:50

really interesting fact of this is

1:53

this isn't something that simply happened to me. It's

1:56

not a mean thing. Maybe it's happened

1:58

to members of your family, Maybe has

2:00

happened to someone that you know of. And especially now

2:02

because during that time there was the nineties, it

2:04

is happening in the suburbs and all over

2:06

the country. Many individuals

2:09

are having bouts with addiction and

2:12

now they need our help. They

2:15

need a second chance, just like we all do. None

2:17

of us are perfect. I have a sibling

2:19

who was raised in the same environment

2:21

as me, someone who I had

2:23

the highest hopes for, the one who was gonna

2:26

be on myself and make it as well. And

2:28

he recently got in trouble with the law to the degree

2:31

that I had to bail him out of jail and pay

2:33

for an attorney for him. And in spite

2:35

of him doing something that I think

2:38

it's something he should never have been involved

2:40

with, I still believe that he, like

2:43

everyone else, has a right to a

2:45

second chance. None of us are perfect.

2:47

And my hope is, especially with

2:49

this podcast, is individuals

2:51

who are learning about issues that they may not be

2:54

aware of. We're hearing it from

2:56

a different perspective, me being a conservative,

2:58

or other individuals that may come one to

3:00

this podcast that could be conservative

3:02

or liberal, that we can all have greater

3:04

empathy for life

3:07

lessons that we all receive,

3:09

either knowingly or annoingly. Nothing

3:12

in this world, and I do mean nothing, in

3:15

my opinion, can defeat so

3:17

long as we move forward to united

3:20

and certainly put God first. Faith

3:23

will always be the most important factor for me.

3:26

And what I just read comes from my book Taken

3:28

for Granted, How Conservatism can

3:31

lean back the Americans to liberalism failed, And

3:33

I truly believe the conservatism

3:36

can be the anchor of re establishing

3:39

one's life. Faith is always

3:41

paramount to bringing you back to

3:43

the path that you was always meant to reach.

3:46

And my next guest, this

3:48

particular interview means so much

3:51

to me. It means a great deal for the reason

3:53

that this individual who's running for Congress

3:56

right now is running in a hard

3:58

hit area of a country. I'm

4:01

talking about Baltimore, a city

4:03

that's been ravaged by drugs, crime, and

4:05

violence, and the

4:07

folks who have been involved

4:10

in the crime, violence, and drugs. Some

4:12

of these individuals deserve

4:14

redemption because they wanted

4:16

for themselves. People have to

4:19

want it for themselves. And my

4:21

next guest, she has some solutions

4:23

to provide second chances to some of these

4:26

very individuals. This is

4:28

out loud with Gianno called well. I

4:40

am so excited to introduce you to

4:42

my next guest today. She's a rising

4:44

star in the Republican Party. You know what,

4:47

let's take rising out. She's a full blown

4:49

star in the GOP. I'm

4:51

talking about none other than Kimberly Classic.

4:54

She's running for Congress in Maryland seven District,

4:56

which includes much of Baltimore. Kim

4:59

has slammed the current Democratic leadership

5:01

in Baltimore for continuing failed policies

5:04

as she should reminds me so much

5:06

of Chicago. She's offering the city's residents

5:08

a more optimistic path. Kim

5:11

also spoke at the Republican National Convention, and

5:13

she knocked it out of the park. Kim,

5:16

it is so good to be with you, my friend.

5:18

I've known you for many, many years, and

5:20

I'm so happy to see you blazing

5:23

a trail as you have been. And I

5:25

know that you're pretty busy, so I want to jump

5:27

right into it. You offered a more optimistic

5:30

vision for Baltimore and what we

5:33

rather would see for the people of Baltimore.

5:35

Who I mean, it's been in strength.

5:37

Honestly, it's not been a good situation there for many

5:40

years. And everyone knows you, of course

5:42

from your viral campaign that you released

5:44

in August walking through the streets of Baltimore. But Americans

5:46

really got to know you for the first time in July.

5:50

I remember that day. It was a Saturday. You

5:52

did a bunch of videos that went

5:54

viral thanks to none other than Donald

5:57

Trump, who tweeted it out and kept tweeting

5:59

the whole day. It was so interesting

6:01

that I remember texting you, like, what the heck is going on.

6:04

But any who you get in tens of thousands of

6:06

followers, what was that experienced like? Yeah,

6:08

So I just first want to let everybody know Gianno

6:11

Codwell, it's the first person I met when

6:14

entering the political arena back in two thousand and

6:16

four. Team he met me at Starbucks

6:18

and introduced me to a lot of people. I don't know if you

6:20

remember this GIANTO, but you were the one that got

6:22

me on Roland Martin Show and it just went up

6:25

from there and I will never be able to thank you

6:27

enough. Um. But when the president, of

6:29

course, when the President saw those tweets, you

6:31

know, this was after a week of me posting those

6:33

videos on social media trying to get attention

6:36

from the local leaders. So I was copying

6:38

on their the mayor, the city council president,

6:40

and at that time of the late Congressman Elijah

6:43

Cummings. So people could see, look,

6:45

we've got a problem here in West Baltimore. You

6:47

know, they had trash sitting there for months. It wasn't getting

6:50

picked up. There were rats everywhere. Everybody

6:52

was talking about it. Um. If you look at the interviews

6:54

on my YouTube channel, you'll see where people talked

6:57

about the rat infestation and just how bad

6:59

it was. Um. But these are the same

7:01

basically words that the President used when

7:03

he went back and started tweeting, and everyone

7:05

started calling him racist for using those words

7:08

that he heard in the interviews. But

7:10

you know, there was a lot of confusion there. But

7:12

you know, I'm glad that he said something

7:14

because afterwards the local paper

7:16

they did some investigation and

7:19

they found out if you live in the predominant

7:21

black neighborhoods like Carrollton Ridge, Sandtown

7:23

in Easterwood, your trash was only getting

7:25

picked up five percent of the time. If you're living

7:27

in Roland Park and some of the other neighborhoods at

7:29

work predominantly black, your trash is getting

7:31

picked up one hundred percent of the time. So there

7:34

was a big difference there, and I'm glad they

7:36

did that investigation to show that there are disparities

7:39

amongst the neighborhoods. And so, you know, when I

7:41

decided to run for office, I thought, you know what, maybe

7:43

I can do something to make sure that there's a quality

7:45

for all, not just as far as the trash and the resources,

7:48

but there's disparities to costs. Um. You know,

7:50

with the education system, the crime and

7:52

violence is mostly in West Baltimore, in

7:55

those areas where you saw me walking in the video

7:57

with the vacant houses in the trash. So know

8:00

it's all correlated, and you know we're gonna

8:02

do something about it. You know that. That

8:04

brings me to my next question. And I

8:07

really appreciate your heart on this matter. I've seen

8:09

your heart for years. This wasn't you

8:11

tweeting the elected officials because

8:13

you wanted to go viral. You didn't expect

8:16

or anticipate the president to be tweeting you out,

8:18

and in fact, none of us really would

8:20

have anticipated that. But it did

8:22

bring about the change in the Committee community because

8:25

you had people who come up to you and said,

8:27

hey, this is going on, I want to show you this

8:29

or that. Kim. Before people

8:31

even knew who you were, they just knew you was a concerned

8:33

citizen. And that's when it took on a life

8:35

of his own. So you released this

8:38

ad and you became a household name, and in August

8:40

and had a not at all controversial

8:43

title, black Lives No Matter the Democrats, which

8:45

I've been saying for years, Black lives no matter the Democrats,

8:47

Black voats matter. The Democrats, and I appreciate

8:50

your mantra there, but you most recently

8:53

dropped another campaign at and what you

8:55

talked about some of the struggles the people in Baltimore

8:57

going through the streets of field with garbage.

8:59

Thousands of homes are abandoned, and then you

9:01

offered the more optimistic alternative,

9:04

if you will, and you offer some

9:06

plans I think have been very very interesting

9:08

to a lot of people. Can you walk us through some of those?

9:10

Yeah. So, you know, a big problem

9:13

obviously in Baltimore City, and this is across the city,

9:15

is a lack of career opportunities. So

9:17

I talk a lot about the fact that we used

9:19

to be a manufacturing powerhouse right in Baltimore,

9:22

and so I thought, you know what, as we saw during

9:24

the lockdown from the pandemic, we

9:26

had to rely on other countries for ppe.

9:29

You know, we can bring that biotech industry

9:32

right back to America. And what better place

9:34

than the second largest port in America, which

9:36

is in Baltimore City. You know, it was underutilized.

9:39

We can run a priticeship programs, job training,

9:42

you know, really get people careers and

9:44

opportunities that lead to

9:46

having health and dental benefits that lead

9:48

to be able to own your own properties.

9:51

And that's another thing. You know. We have seventeen thousand

9:53

vacant homes in Baltimore City alone.

9:56

You know this. Those homes can be flipped. They've been

9:58

sitting there for decades. A lot of them are owned by the

10:00

city. You know, we should enter those in a rent

10:02

own home situation so people

10:04

can rent and then own their own property.

10:06

You know, when you own your own property, you take

10:09

great care of it and you care about the surroundings.

10:11

Another big thing is school choice. We

10:13

have decent schools in certain areas.

10:16

You know, some of those schools need some competition so

10:18

that those schools will hopefully get up to par And

10:21

I don't think your zip code and where you live should

10:23

dictate the kind of education you can

10:25

receive. Um. Yeah, So I'm

10:28

all about school choice and we

10:30

have I even talked about we have a trucker shortage

10:33

across the country. Right Amazon is

10:35

kicking butt. We have large Amazon

10:37

warehouses right in Baltimore. A

10:39

lot of people don't know this, but All State actually

10:41

offers behind the wheel training two

10:43

thousand dollars ahead to get your CDL licensing

10:46

within six weeks. Why aren't we doing

10:48

that? Why aren't we doing that? You know we could have

10:50

if we already have some of the warehouses right in Baltimore,

10:53

Why don't have the truckers right in Baltimore,

10:55

you know, going in across the country, but actually

10:57

still coming back to the city and spending that

11:00

money in the city, building up the tourism.

11:02

You know, nobody's going to the baseball games and the football

11:04

games right now, but hopefully when the pandemic

11:06

is over, we can continue to do that. We've got great teams.

11:09

We got the Orioles and the Ravens, So there's things

11:11

that we can do, uh, and we can do it in a

11:13

matter of maybe three or four years. And

11:15

then you put on top of that, when President

11:17

Trump introduced, uh, you know, the economic

11:20

plan of putting five hundred billion dollars

11:22

into black communities. So we if we take

11:24

all of these steps, Gatto, I think we can

11:27

turn both tomore over in about four years. You

11:29

know what I find it the most interesting

11:32

about what you've been saying, first and foremost,

11:34

how the Republican Party has responded to you.

11:37

I don't personally believe I've

11:39

seen a response like

11:41

this when it comes to a candidate in the district

11:43

like this. This is one that Republicans

11:46

usually give up on and say, it's not worth chasing

11:48

after these voters. Who's gonna

11:50

win it? And your plan and your

11:52

point of view isn't some radical, extreme

11:55

right wing plan. A point of view

11:57

is one that I think whether you be a Democrat or

12:00

a Republican or independent, you can get

12:02

behind it. You're talking about jobs and opportunity, and

12:04

you're also spotlighting what we've

12:06

seen in in Baltimore, which

12:08

is not been good. Especially when you think

12:10

about the history of Baltimore. Um, it reminds

12:12

me of my hometown in Chicago in a lot of ways. It

12:15

lacks opportunity and the people who

12:17

mostly lose out have been

12:19

African Americans. Have you seen

12:22

any response from the Democratic leadership

12:24

to with with regards to your message

12:26

or even your opponent who refuses to debate

12:28

you, not at all. You know, it's so interesting.

12:30

We had a couple of businesses go out of business

12:33

in the Inner Harbor, you know that was once the jewel

12:35

here in Baltimore City, and our City

12:37

Council President Brandon Scott, who was you

12:39

know, going to be the mayor, probably right because

12:41

he was the mayor of nominee for in the Democrat

12:43

party, so he's presumably the mayor coming

12:46

in and he said, well, maybe

12:48

it was your service, maybe

12:50

it was your prototype for your business.

12:52

He blamed the business for going out of business,

12:55

rather than the fact that nobody wants to go downtown

12:57

anymore because of the crime and violence.

13:00

So it's almost like they are just in denial.

13:02

They don't want to get it. My opponent, you

13:04

know, he won the special election. He's been sworn in

13:06

since May fifth and hasn't done a single thing.

13:08

And you're right, he won't debate me. He hasn't

13:10

been the community. You know, people are now calling

13:12

him out, just as I am saying, look, where are

13:15

you? You know, you're not even on Capitol Hill

13:17

trying to get that stimulus bill across, So

13:19

where are you and what are you doing? And we

13:21

will pick that up right after this break, because

13:24

we definitely need to figure out if you're

13:26

elected to a district that especially

13:29

needs help, where are you? So we'll

13:31

get back to that after the break. Stick with us, well,

13:34

thank you for sticking with does. Of

13:36

course, we have to pay bills and we have wonderful sponsor,

13:38

so I'm so excited to have Kimberly Clasy

13:41

here, my friend known for many many

13:43

years, and I know her hard on Baltimore

13:46

and I'm so excited to see her run and see her

13:48

get the recognition she deserves. We

13:50

wish are well in her election. Now,

13:53

you were talking about the President's Platinum

13:55

Plan, which I thought is a really cool name.

14:00

I wonder who came up with that. Yeah, interested

14:02

myself of

14:05

ours. I don't know the Platinum Planet, so

14:08

because it wasn't a goal, we

14:10

we've graduated,

14:12

so thank goodness for that. But I wanted

14:15

to know how does his plan compared to

14:17

what you would really do for Baltimore because

14:19

you mentioned his plan and how where you can really utilize

14:21

at the bolster what's going on in Baltimore

14:24

you've mentioned, Um, I've seen some interviews

14:26

of yours when you talked about those who have been

14:28

arrested for drugs, how you

14:30

can use that that money can be used to level

14:33

a plane field for folks in Baltimore, I think, which

14:35

is really really interesting and I'm sure people really

14:37

listen to what you have to say. How would you

14:40

differ from what President Trump is offering?

14:42

Yeah, so what you're talking about there is a survivor

14:44

to investor plan. You know, I spent the

14:47

past year after I did those videos that went

14:49

viral with the blight, I spent the past year

14:51

just talking to people on the streets and trying to understand

14:53

the issues. I met a lot of young men that

14:56

ended up, you know, being cornerboys, not

14:58

because they're bad kids, because

15:00

it was you know, survival mode. There's a lot of young

15:02

men on the street corners that are taking care of their siblings

15:05

and they are not the shooters, they are not the game

15:07

members. They are non violent and they

15:09

really just need a second chance at life. And

15:11

so you know what you probably know with my nonprofit,

15:14

that's what I was about, were force development. So

15:16

we helped over two hundred women become game fully employed

15:19

to be financially independent. So for me, the

15:21

only way you lift anyone out of poverty is with employment.

15:24

The difference with the cornerboy is, you know, you could

15:26

offer them jobs, but they're not taking a

15:29

under a fifteen dollar an hour job

15:32

and then getting off the streets. You know, some of these

15:34

guys are making five thousand dollars

15:36

a day, right, So I had to think about a

15:38

way you know, how do we get them off the street?

15:41

Five thousand dollars a day? Oh

15:45

no, no, no, profession

15:50

no no, no, about a thousand

15:52

a day. And I was talking to this one gentleman

15:55

and he actually showed me all the money he had in his trunk

15:57

with him, and I'm like, you're not putting this in the bank.

15:59

You're up putting it anywhere. And he was like, where am I gonna put

16:01

it? They're gonna ask me where I got it, you

16:04

know. And so I said, Okay, here's the

16:06

thing. We give amnesty to legal

16:08

immigrants all the time right there in sanctuary

16:11

cities. Some people are fine with that.

16:13

What if we allow amnesty for just

16:15

one year for these guys

16:17

to be able to take that money, invest

16:20

in some of these vacant homes, flip them,

16:22

revamped them. They'll have being a

16:24

mentorship program. Uh. There are a

16:27

lot of real estate investors that are already on board with this.

16:29

They want to mentor these young men um

16:31

and have them enter into the real estate business while

16:34

we enter those exact homes in a rent

16:36

to own program that we offer to

16:38

citizens in the community, not displacing

16:40

anyone, so they really do invest

16:43

in their own community. And it's those

16:45

that have been you know, they're through the bad that

16:47

can stay there through the good. You know, we see a lot of times,

16:49

a lot of re gentrification. I don't

16:51

think that that's what they want in West Baltimore.

16:53

You know. I talked to people, and they want to stay right there.

16:56

So why not give them the career opportunities, give them a

16:58

chance to own their own homes. Uh. I have

17:00

talked to people in the administration about this, you

17:02

know, they've been scrolling it around. UM. And

17:04

then I've also talked to administration about, you know, the

17:06

platform planned and how it goes together with

17:08

what we're trying to do in Baltimore. UM. I've

17:10

actually had a conversation, I can tell you with

17:13

Eric Trump and he said, you know what, I've got friends that would

17:15

be willing to invest in Baltimore. Do you think we

17:17

can do anything about the crime in the violence. And

17:19

I said, look, if you had all these investors coming

17:21

in and we offer some real deal

17:24

opportunities like the survivor to invest their

17:26

plan, I think people will be on board

17:28

with that. I mean, I think we can get over that hump,

17:30

you know. And I think that's what it's about a lot

17:32

of people just do the second chance. I'm all four

17:34

second chances. I've given a third

17:37

or fourth chances in some cases. You know, it's

17:39

it's just about getting that person in their mindset

17:42

changed and wanting to do better for themselves and

17:44

their family. So let me ask you this,

17:46

with that particular plan, would these young

17:48

men be required to leave the how

17:50

do you They would have to leave the Yeah, they would have to

17:52

leave the drug life. They would have to read it, so

17:55

there would be Yeah, there would be safeguards in

17:57

place, and it'll be a whole program.

17:59

Um, we will probably see probation officers.

18:02

There will be people within this program to make

18:04

sure that they stay off of the streets and

18:06

out of that life. Now, people say, you know, they asked why

18:08

a whole year. I mean, we know people

18:10

on the streets, right, they're not going to trust this program

18:13

family. Yeah, yeah,

18:15

well they're not gonna trust this program one day

18:17

one right, So we've got to give people time

18:19

to know that the program does work,

18:22

that they're not being arrested. You know, that

18:24

they can use this money and flip

18:26

it into good money to invest in the real estate.

18:28

So that's why we're giving time and that amount of time.

18:31

But other than that, yes, you have to leave the street

18:33

life behind. But I think you know this is also a great

18:35

way to put a dent on the war on drugs.

18:38

You know, we have a drug issue. I can't even tell

18:40

you how many Methodol clinics we have in West Baltimore

18:42

alone. We have a drug issue. We

18:45

have to do something about that as well. Well.

18:48

Just to switch gears a little bit, As you and

18:50

I very well know, most black people in this country

18:52

do not identify themselves as

18:54

conservatives of Republican Well, let me rephrase.

18:57

They may consider themselves conservative,

18:59

but they won't vote for Republicans.

19:02

I believe in Obama's races was about nineties

19:04

six percent of African Americans voted

19:06

for Barack Obama. We continue

19:08

to see numbers of of African

19:11

Americans voting for Democrats

19:13

where we know that they have historically and

19:15

currently disenfranchised African Americans

19:18

with policy, especially Joe Biden,

19:20

which I find to be, I mean, just

19:22

wildly interesting that he

19:25

is the leader of the Democratic Party

19:27

and he's relying on black support when he's disenfranchised

19:30

Black folks probably more than any other politician

19:32

as living today. Um, With

19:34

that being the case, how significant do you think

19:36

it is that Trump is departing from the norm

19:39

where we see Republicans usually say I'm

19:41

not going to really pursue the black vote because they're not

19:44

gonna vote for us anyway. And he's being

19:46

very direct about it. In

19:48

spite of people calling him races

19:50

and all these other things. He's been very direct

19:53

and specific from a policy

19:55

standpoint, and he continues to offer

19:57

a new policy with the Platinum Plan. How significant

19:59

do you think this is for the party in general?

20:01

Yeah, so I can I can speak from experience

20:03

on this. I know when I entered this race back

20:06

in last November, the RNC want

20:08

had nothing to do with us. Uh, the m new GOP

20:10

chairman said Jesus Christ couldn't win this

20:13

race, and I was a quote, um, so we thought,

20:15

you know what, we gotta make the money ourselves and just keep

20:17

on pushing. We're not going to give up. But at the

20:19

same time, you know, people should understand

20:21

it really is President Trump that

20:23

is extending this olive branch to the minority

20:26

community. And I'll tell you this my

20:28

my my Adwin viral. Right. Laura

20:31

Ingram was on Fox and said, we want Kim

20:33

to speak at the RNC convention, but

20:36

it was turned down initially by Rona

20:38

McDaniel, the GOP chairwoman.

20:41

President Trump then called I guess

20:43

within hours and said, no Kim speaking.

20:46

It is President Trump that made sure I spoke

20:48

at that RNC convention. It is President

20:50

Trump. There's a reason that I have been getting

20:53

more Fox News booking so I can raise

20:55

more money. Do you have me speaking in Atlanta

20:57

when he ruled out that platinum plan? It

20:59

is President Um, that's yeah,

21:04

And that was last minute I apologize. Important.

21:09

Yeah, But it was President Trump

21:11

that has been pushing us to the forefront. You know. He

21:13

doubled down on the endorsement for

21:15

my race, and some people were like, well, that's not gonna

21:17

do you any good because people in Baltimore they think

21:19

Trump is a racist. And I said, you know

21:21

what, it's not about doing me good. You know,

21:23

it's not about this political strategy. He

21:26

genuinely cares about me winning

21:28

this race to make Baltimore better place.

21:31

I'm all for that, you know. But it's President

21:33

Trump that has embraced me. I don't want to want

21:35

to get it twisted. It hasn't been the GOP. It

21:37

has been President Trump and his campaign.

21:40

Well, can we need to take a break. But

21:42

when we come back, I want to ask you about

21:44

the Black Lives Matter movement and how to balance

21:47

establishing law and order on one hand with

21:49

acknowledging the concerns of the black community

21:51

on the other. But first, here's

21:53

a word from our sponsor. Please don't go away,

21:57

Kim. I want to turn from education in the economy

21:59

to RN Baltimore is on pace

22:02

to surpass three homicides for

22:04

the six year in a row. According to the city

22:06

police, from September six to September

22:08

fourteen, just a nine day

22:11

span, at least fifty two people were

22:13

shot and fourteen of them were killed.

22:16

That's staggering. I really can't believe what I'm

22:18

reading, but that's what's going

22:20

on in Baltimore. And according to new

22:22

stats released by the FBI, the city

22:24

of Baltimore had a rate of one thousand,

22:26

eight hundred and fifty eight violent crimes and

22:28

fifty eight murders per one hundred

22:30

thousand people last year, each ranking in

22:33

the top four among cities nationally.

22:35

If you're elected to Congress, how would you get those

22:38

figures to drop? Yeah, that's a great

22:40

question. I will say, you know, I have two brothers

22:42

and so they had that conversation. But

22:45

you know, as a black woman, I think sometimes

22:47

it's a little bit different. So I've never had

22:49

that situation. But then I don't come

22:51

off as aggressive in any situation,

22:54

and I am a woman, which I think

22:56

is treated differently. As far as

22:59

Yeah, I don't know what was going on there, I don't.

23:01

I don't know either, But then there's I think

23:04

I think the rationale is, and you

23:06

have a different life. You look how you

23:09

look. Oh, Sandra Bland

23:11

too, I guess that was another

23:13

name that you're a very polished person.

23:15

I'm a polished person too. Maybe

23:18

we get treated a little differently, but there's

23:20

a lot of folks that look like us who may

23:22

not be in that same place. My

23:24

siblings. You know, I have a family

23:27

members who been in the

23:29

hood for a very long time. And you

23:31

and I both know when you look in particular way,

23:34

then there may be some more eyes on you because

23:36

there's at least a thought that you could

23:38

be doing something illegal. So knowing that

23:40

that is the truth, I mean, we've done

23:42

it, We've seen people ourselves. I'm sure

23:45

I can speak. Yeah, well, my little brother exactly.

23:48

So you may look and you might be like, oh, hold on,

23:50

I don't know. So, yeah, I

23:52

think it's it depends on So

23:54

we have to look at how we got to this point, right, aggressive

23:57

policing. That was something that was actually put

23:59

in the crime though. Yeah.

24:03

Yes, and my opponent Quais and food Make co sponsored

24:06

it with Joe Biden, and so this is

24:08

how we got to this situation. But um,

24:10

so you know, clearing the corner, stopped and

24:12

frisk, you know, taking people, you

24:14

know, like you said, taking them out of their car, searching the

24:17

vehicle, no warrant, no reason to do

24:19

so. Um, and they do that in certain neighborhoods.

24:21

That has to end, you know, that has to end.

24:23

And there's got to be more community engagement,

24:26

not just coming out and playing basketball

24:28

at somebody's kid, maybe having a conversation

24:31

with someone, because I've seen a lot of cases, I don't know if you noticed,

24:33

there's been a lot of cases where police officers are

24:35

in the community and they end up in a situation

24:37

where someone isn't quite mentally stable,

24:40

right, and then they're pulling out their guns on that individual.

24:43

Had they been in the community and understood,

24:45

you know, what that certain individual isn't

24:47

mentally stable and this is how he might

24:49

act irrational. Right, So I understand

24:51

when they talk about reallocating

24:53

funds. I don't know about the whole defund the police part,

24:56

but I understand when they talk about sending social workers

24:58

into certain situations. I guess I don't

25:00

love it because I also see situations in Baltimore

25:03

where a cop can pull up to, you know, disturbing

25:05

the peace matter, and all of a sudden guns

25:07

are drawn, the cop is shot. You know, so you

25:10

never know until you get there who has a

25:12

gun? Um, I guess for

25:14

me. You know, we talk about what's

25:16

going on the community. Like you said, over that nine what

25:19

was it nine days? We had so many shootings.

25:21

So we have a state's attorney who was very soft

25:23

on criminal Her name is Marilyn Mosby. Her

25:26

husband is actually a candidate

25:28

for city council right now. The president uh,

25:30

he was in office before as a city council

25:32

president in the district in which I

25:35

was walking in in my videos. Right. So,

25:37

when you have a situation where these people are

25:40

soft on criminals, you see the newspaper,

25:42

we'll talk about criminals arrested, homicide,

25:45

double homicide. This is their eleventh

25:48

offense. How do you are

25:50

How are you an eleven time repeat offender

25:53

back on the streets to shoot and kill

25:55

somebody else. You know, there's gotta

25:57

be some something, a kind

25:59

of reity for either the State's attorney, you

26:02

know, the prosecutors, the judges. You

26:04

know, why are we giving murderers sentences for

26:06

one year? You know? So, so there's a lot

26:08

of moving parts here. Our police

26:10

department is you know, had some corruptions. I don't

26:12

know if you saw our Gun Trace Task Force. Uh, they

26:14

were taken down. That's how we move up under the Consett

26:16

decree. So there is some corruption

26:18

there, But I link it back to city Hall.

26:21

You've got you know, you can't have a corrupt

26:23

police department without corruption

26:25

in city hall because remember the mayor still

26:28

presides over that, right. And then you've got the

26:30

police commissioner. We've had three different

26:32

police commissioners in the past what maybe

26:34

four years, so we're never on lockstep

26:37

with anyone. So we have a lot of issues

26:39

in Baltimore City. It's corruption,

26:42

mismanagement, uh, corrupt police

26:44

officers, and then the fact that we have criminals

26:47

basically running our streets. Wow,

26:49

and then Democrats when it had an

26:51

opportunity to work with Senator Tim Scott on

26:54

training for police officers,

26:56

among the number a lot of other initiatives, they

26:58

said no because they wanted to keep it is a political

27:01

issue for them, which is extraordinarily

27:03

sad. I know I don't have

27:06

much of any more time with you, so what

27:09

I wanted to say is that thank you so

27:11

so much for coming on. I've known you for many,

27:13

many years. I respect

27:16

and appreciate your passion for

27:18

people and what you do, and

27:20

I wish you very very well in your race,

27:23

and please come back any time and

27:25

let us know what's going on in the community, because

27:28

you're rock star and we're gonna be hearing from you for many

27:30

years to come. So I wish you well. Thank you. I

27:32

appreciate it. Thank you, Thank

27:42

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