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let's start with a real picture

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of long flat building

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in rural, indiana, surrounded by corn and

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soybean there

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thousands of chicken inside

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oh my goodness it was a lot of noise

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they're following a nerve a rooster thousand

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happening now ,

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assume us

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the professor emeritus at purdue university

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specializing internet

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and the female's you know their fear pretty quiet

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said the impact allowed your body on

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the ground in there are kind of them but sometimes

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begging with each other and sometimes or be a fight

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them is walking and screaming going on

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the bill surrounded by chickens because

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he is running and

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newton

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the open up a handsomely the most eggs

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and then he breeds them together for a few generations

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the him some roosters were involved then

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, gathers all these hyper bread supergiants

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he puts them in cages together and comparison

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to cages of regular chicken how

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many eggs using the super chickens produced

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compared to the regular chicken

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it's weird the regular chickens

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produced more eggs and the super

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seconds what happened

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there happened there feel free to pause

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make a guess

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sorry for your that happened

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turns out and would ever genes may

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chicken super egg producers

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also make them really aggressive

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we don't know what those scenes are against

1:50

only explanation

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you can pack each other's existence

1:56

for each other's feathers

1:57

a pretty good the bird would just

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be taken

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when moink of course

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chicken see blood thinner

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go right after once the bird bleed like a snarky

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right interpreting is that wounds

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in the and the super taken laden

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stand stand

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he

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do that super seconds turned sixty

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three three

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, and themselves i

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have i of one cage

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there was typical we had a twelve bird cage

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with for survivors

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that's typical

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yeah

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we were move removing hundreds

2:38

of birds a day earn

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handle quite concerned about

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how many were dying

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the chicken don't lay eggs

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super chickens aren't just

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on farms, they're everywhere, you

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might even with them

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long ago when i was there is using this

5:04

example a , at

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up to me afterwards and said that first took

5:08

an experiment surprised by the barber barber

5:11

have names but as others murderers

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seconds

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david sloan wilson professor emeritus

5:17

of biology in anthropology at begins

5:20

university

5:21

he felt the world is

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i [unk] subaru chickens

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these are high performing individuals who

5:26

look impressive on their own but destroy

5:29

their

5:29

in fact they often

5:31

become impressive because they're so

5:33

could throw

5:36

that doesn't just apply to chickens it

5:38

happens all over the

5:39

for world

5:41

even in our own selves

5:42

a cancer as a great metaphor

5:44

incidence of cancer is something that goes

5:47

faster than the other cells and

5:49

, destroys everything including

5:51

themselves as a result

5:53

himself we have to be on the lookout

5:55

for for behaviors

5:58

which can seem successful a

6:00

most you look up slightly

6:02

larger picture

6:06

though chicken cells

6:09

what about people are ,

6:11

human super chickens well

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we're gonna need well group impeccably dressed

6:16

you need to figure that ass

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was , conversation

6:22

first find more to allen or who's

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unambitious a gathered houses have gathered atlantic

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will not were in high school in the chicago

6:30

suburbs

6:31

there were teenagers but it takes

6:33

a minute to notice since everyone is dressed

6:35

like they're on capitol hill

6:37

the only arbitrary

6:39

the get insult from

6:40

this is high school model un

6:43

it's an i t v were high school students pretend

6:45

to be united nations delegates they

6:47

take on the role of countries his speeches

6:50

but resolutions and compete

6:51

the award

6:52

argued that

6:57

the

6:58

we're here because i

7:00

did model you in in high school and i've

7:02

been thinking about it ever since because

7:04

it was the most cutthroat experience of my life

7:08

the model un has it's own

7:10

version of super chickens a kind of

7:12

delegate other students here the

7:14

power dell short for power

7:16

delicate

7:18

don't come in with a huge stack

7:20

of papers things never glad that it

7:22

never even read rights but it's all about the sedation

7:25

bastards us decided that it makes me drunk

7:27

on your desk

7:29

let me accords and skin

7:32

go model un delegates from stevenson high school

7:34

in lincoln sire illinois i'm

7:37

talking with her and her teammate urrutia

7:40

your the receipt

7:41

they'll have like a little pin with their country's

7:43

flag on ads are the lock

7:45

in wearing like the best looking suit

7:47

you've ever seen and they

7:50

just they have this kind

7:51

aura around them

7:59

every she remembers

7:59

being in the committee when a power dell walks

8:03

he's wearing white charcoal

8:05

grey suit any it looked grades

8:08

and he misses time matched his so

8:11

that everyone was like this guy knows what

8:13

he's doing

8:14

and that impression set the pace

8:16

for the rest of the committee everybody

8:19

kind of just like revolved around

8:21

him cause he just had this presents to

8:23

him and as soon as he would

8:25

go until on on moderate caucus or

8:27

a break it was like he

8:29

would start almost shouting orders

8:31

that people

8:32

a point

8:34

himself in a position of leadership

8:36

guard and everybody kind of just two

8:38

friends

8:42

remember granted that this is this

8:45

, timely talked over everyone

8:47

the entire four days still let anybody

8:49

his ideas get passed through every

8:52

she says it's not as it's not was actually

8:54

coming up with any grade intern national reasons

8:57

for the resolutions he was working on

8:59

and looking back you blink his speeches

9:01

or nor his content with that good and

9:04

the heroes no cause that he can't he just

9:06

had other people write the claws and needs

9:08

brought them together

9:10

i'm like a receive wrote a lot so

9:12

he was handed sitting there nodding along like

9:15

this , like a good idea i

9:17

like this idea like let's keep your claws

9:19

let's get rid of your claws oh so

9:21

you ended up kind of working for him yeah

9:24

yeah was like everybody in this committee was working

9:27

for her even if you weren't in the same block

9:29

as him and isn't because

9:31

he matched

9:32

fact is high yes

9:37

the guardians of winning the best award

9:39

in the committee then he

9:41

wasn't unique we're having scariest

9:43

her own share powered else he

9:46

went up against one recently

9:47

six foot tall senior guy

9:49

in like us amassing suits and the

9:52

little death underneath the meal was

9:54

intimidated i've been around so

9:56

you know i know i know what i'm doing a little bit too and

9:58

i kind of start but the head with him

10:00

in the sense that he wants what i want and i want what

10:02

he wants and it's just competition

10:04

of who's gonna get

10:06

one day me and is powered l

10:08

or the comedian writing papers sitting

10:11

next to each other and a one point she looks

10:13

over she's actually today the

10:16

guy had written a paper before the committee

10:18

had even started

10:20

when you're not allowed to do it's very big now now

10:22

we call it be writing not allowed and

10:24

i look over and he's on his legal tied well world

10:26

writing and he's of copying word for word

10:28

what he had pre written before the committee

10:31

the i'm from winning the first place

10:33

mia went up to the committee chair to ask why

10:36

the power to one

10:38

the get else he was his paper

10:41

he had brought with him because he had all

10:43

the besides to prepare right them the other that it

10:45

was possible and i think about in a legal

10:47

pad vs mine were coming but never thought

10:50

i had of the time

10:51

there's an odd about all this rain

10:54

the model un a whole point

10:57

is that students are supposed to be collaborating

10:59

to come up with think solutions not embroiling

11:01

themselves and cuts are competent

11:05

that would hurdles do

11:07

if you read when they're kind of running things you

11:09

probably end up with worse papers

11:12

and solutions is that true

11:14

very true because the the the same ones

11:16

that don't do any work themselves but

11:19

of course

11:20

no matter how much model you and wants to

11:22

be cooperatives it's a dealing with a bigger

11:24

reality that makes that difficult or

11:27

malian is pretend thing driving

11:29

a lot of these students is also real

11:32

college admissions

11:34

you're going was number of the first generation american

11:36

a lot of people i know where the child

11:38

of immigrants and i think me interesting included right

11:40

so like you come with the pressure of your

11:43

validation comes from academic success

11:46

how the students compete with each other

11:48

so they have more to show in their college applications

11:51

if , think about it emissions departments

11:53

are looking at students allow like farmers

11:55

look a chicken salad is she's

11:57

the best individuals and i'm in the high school

11:59

the fighting over sloths have to do more

12:02

than collaborate model un they

12:04

asked

12:05

i will be the first

12:07

admit that i bought into it as far as everyone

12:09

else i am and by cause i'm

12:11

in the eighties and i am exhausted i

12:13

am so tired and every single person i

12:15

know like me filthy exact same way

12:20

the coverage were all about individual performance

12:22

this approach would be great for college is seeking

12:25

out the best and brightest

12:27

but of course college isn't about individual

12:30

performance

12:31

the about smart people working together to do

12:33

research and free products they couldn't do

12:35

by themselves the

12:37

college full of cooperative professors and students

12:39

can produce great projects and research

12:42

college for people to focus on themselves

12:44

to help those around them more produce much of anything

12:47

in colleges here with their professors and

12:49

students produce in part because

12:51

are competing with other colleges for things

12:53

like breakthroughs in innovations things

12:56

that require teams though

12:58

corporations the flipside of competition

13:01

the to be competitive speed other students

13:04

but your college has to be fully cooperated

13:06

people to beat other colleges

13:08

in a world where individuals are pitted against

13:10

individuals powered else like

13:12

super chickens are chosen

13:15

one of the time they would not with great ideas

13:17

are hard work but by plugging everyone

13:19

else

13:20

the other

13:21

makes one wonder why

13:23

we keep picking them

13:29

picking top performers often sales of

13:31

why is it so far why

13:33

do

13:34

image two chickens intelligence to season

13:36

when you get any answers

13:39

to drive east in the servers

13:40

until we can see the chicago skyline

13:46

or much of the twentieth century sears

13:49

was the largest retailer on the planet

13:51

pulling in billions of prof the year

13:54

nineteen eighty three one in

13:56

thirty americans had worked for this company

13:59

it even built the sears tower in chicago

14:02

the tallest building in the world at the time

14:04

is almost a monument

14:06

glory

14:08

but by the early two thousands series was

14:10

struggling its , were lagging

14:12

behind walmart which taken over as america's

14:14

biggest retailer retailer

14:17

then the second largest acquired sears

14:19

and emerged to become this year's holding corp

14:22

billionaire hedge fund manager eddie lampert

14:25

orchestrated the murderer and later became ceo

14:28

and he adopted ceo and of new policies

14:30

to spur on competition

14:32

i mean he to get to the extreme he

14:34

was all about numbers and

14:36

analysis

14:38

he dennis a retail strategy

14:41

and innovation can

14:42

your peers

14:44

and ninety ninety one i was there

14:46

for about twelve years arm

14:48

and arm bunch of different roles are luck there

14:50

and two thousand two thousand and at that time others for

14:52

vice president of corporate strategy

14:55

the turn that labour teeming with

14:57

a philosophy that oda lots of biology

15:00

you , heard of survival of the since we

15:03

live in a competitive world

15:04

all life has to compete over

15:06

these are his food space

15:08

promotions

15:09

the best survive and read

15:10

the

15:12

a lot of economists the fighters to business

15:14

world with the idea of free market competition

15:17

that's the idea that if everyone selfishly goes

15:19

after what they want the invisible hand

15:22

of the market will choose the best of the best

15:25

that businesses survive benefiting

15:27

the common good david

15:29

com wilson's as trusting in the invisible hand

15:31

has become a dumb and philosophy in today's

15:33

world

15:35

and for the last seventy years we've just

15:37

been immersed in his form of individualism

15:40

much treats the self interested individuals

15:43

as the primary

15:45

you know

15:46

though that's a lamp

15:48

going for

15:49

the arrival of the fittest

15:51

even within his own business

15:53

armed with his philosophy see

15:55

genesis sears started practicing game

15:57

can range

15:58

the didn't practice a firing

15:59

it's least productive say ten

16:02

percent or twenty percent performing employees

16:04

colluded financial engineering sort of approach

16:07

and he say what i can just get rid of the

16:10

elise performing things and the math tells

16:12

me i productivity goes

16:14

the says he fears thing just cut

16:17

out it's lowest performing employees

16:19

it started adopting all these new

16:21

policies designed to drive competition

16:23

at every level of the business the

16:26

treated to different parts of the business like

16:28

appliances apparel consumer electronics

16:31

as completely different businesses that

16:34

man that if the apparel department needed i t

16:36

help they'd have to drop a contract with

16:38

the idea departments super units

16:40

had to compete with each other over everything

16:42

from inventory to advertising

16:44

to floor space in the stores

16:47

and in many cases if you're creating

16:49

this competition between stores

16:52

and online or creating competition

16:54

between different merchandise categories

16:57

you can often to get

16:59

it kind of intramural warfare

17:01

number news

17:02

ported in twenty thirteen

17:04

the apparel division fired sales

17:06

people to cut costs figuring the

17:08

floor salespeople would have to deal with the

17:10

slack marketing meetings turned

17:13

into screaming matches with each department

17:15

demanding more ad space executive

17:18

started bring laptop protectors to meetings

17:20

so their coworkers couldn't see their screens

17:23

he was in the sand

17:24

repeating everybody against

17:27

each other as if they were the competition

17:30

it's so fundamentally flawed are you know it's said

17:32

say about i don't know any retailer

17:35

that has done well the has adapted

17:37

i i mean if you if all you said was let's

17:40

look at the relationship between running your business

17:42

that way and success what

17:44

you will find his i'm

17:47

pretty certain

17:48

the are a correlation in

17:52

only twelve twenty four seven wall

17:54

street found that seers was one of the us

17:56

is worse companies to work for

17:59

based on its name

17:59

the previews and job site last or

18:02

though that all a competition save

18:05

fears deserve not

18:07

even close over , last

18:09

fifteen years sears close thousands

18:11

of stores company filed for

18:13

bankruptcy and twenty the

18:16

and twenty twenty one only twenty

18:19

three of sears as for the purpose

18:21

stores

18:21

the remained i called the will soon

18:23

as the creation south sudan taken twenty

18:26

plus years to the great south

18:29

while enron here

18:31

think you already know fears

18:33

, turning a cells into a company a super

18:35

chickens steve says

18:38

of businesses and seems and

18:40

and seems members that actually work well together

18:42

not members that stab each other in the back

18:45

accompany full of competitive people can't

18:48

be a company for

18:49

cooperate and

18:51

, works for an individual

18:53

authentic to authentic detriment the

18:56

team

18:57

during the on the employees

19:00

for instance you might think it would be a good

19:02

idea to just stop caring the were selling

19:04

products selling a story

19:06

that's what's years that that

19:10

, in the face of retailing one on

19:12

one if that makes sense home

19:15

that approach home depot wouldn't sell lumber

19:18

lumber most grocery stores wouldn't some milk

19:20

or diapers because they are notoriously

19:22

or profit on an item

19:25

basis but if you're smart

19:27

you're understand that it's the mix that

19:29

makes sense i get you in the store and don't make any money

19:31

when money thing and then i saw your nine things

19:34

which nine make a lot of money on

19:36

that is really interesting

19:38

that the actual i didn't you have in a store

19:41

or sort of like a metaphor for

19:43

the the people you have an it company

19:46

slaves you know if you just kind of focus

19:48

everything

19:49

that of rankings buzzards possibility

19:52

of lakes the item or like

19:54

if the person you kind of miss

19:56

the whole mix of with the first

19:59

author

19:59

i yeah , mean i

20:02

see as they they

20:04

ask me to philosophical about ability to

20:06

you make a great point is sad any

20:08

one person on the team you can't attach

20:11

your michael jordan for your steph

20:13

curry is the max that

20:15

is the thing that is the magic

20:18

how are these words the only factors

20:21

driving sears his downfall the

20:23

business was facing tons of

20:25

one

20:26

like competition with online retailers

20:29

still ceases lampard

20:31

pitting department against apartments employee

20:34

against employees product guess

20:35

product added fuel to the

20:39

you actually ended up suing lamb

20:41

for for allegedly siphoning

20:43

billions from the company

20:44

he served to make the demise

20:47

of it much worse than it needed to be a

20:49

don't think that necessarily anybody

20:51

, has resurrected or hence hence

20:54

he he absolutely did a number a and

20:58

thanks how to get frisked

21:00

scarf

21:03

super taken cancer self

21:06

powered else

21:07

that novel and uncommon

21:10

they're all high performing individuals that

21:12

do great in one on one competition

21:14

that are terrible for teams the need to

21:16

operation

21:19

that's tricky because david stone

21:21

wilson says these different levels

21:23

of competition and cooperation build

21:27

on each other selfish

21:29

sell like a cancer might l computer

21:31

regular sell the group a regular

21:33

cells will do better than a group of cancer cells

21:36

creating a stronger person the

21:38

then a selfish person might outcompete

21:40

now trust a person but

21:43

a group of altruistic people will be a group

21:45

of selfish people

21:46

and on and on

21:48

at each level it makes sense to be selfish

21:50

towards others at your level

21:53

when you do that you're at a disadvantage for

21:55

the next higher level

21:57

selfishness peace altruism within

21:59

great

21:59

how to esther groups be

22:02

selfish groups everything else

22:04

their commentary

22:06

that

22:07

life at every level is constantly

22:10

performing this balancing act

22:12

between being competitive enough to win

22:14

at it's level while cooperative

22:16

enough to win at the next higher level

22:19

i'm in a cancer cell is

22:21

good for itself but as bad for the

22:24

organism south reservations are

22:26

good sang and edward until

22:28

at least yourself dealer family

22:30

and friends are good things until at least

22:32

two nepotism and the irony of the my

22:34

nation first as a good thing and

22:37

charges refs the world economy

22:39

are growing our economy as a good thing until

22:41

it overheats states earth

22:44

that's what's really interesting about this it is

22:46

applied he sells on the level of cancer

22:48

and it can apply

22:49

two companies say

22:51

that's right you said ideas are

22:54

so daniel or even

22:56

apply to the original my salon i am

22:58

and all of the major transitions in the

23:00

complexity of life such

23:02

, the first cells symbiotic

23:04

communities of bacterial cells

23:07

multicellular organisms the

23:09

same a social insect colonies

23:12

that

23:13

what a collection of cells to do

23:15

the repairs that in says expecting

23:17

invisible hands to reward selfishness

23:20

we ought to do the opposite think of ourselves

23:23

as part of a team and arrange society

23:25

fourteen

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ultimately we need to basically

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have the largest unit in mind which is the whole

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earth system

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it seems kind of difficult though

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liked aren't we sort as either

23:35

well to to pursue these lower

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level self interest more

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than to proceed these sort of global

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and nowhere

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, and so here's where i think everyone

23:47

needs to learn about

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the learn about story of humans

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evolution human or region

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humans and chimps are close evolutionary

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cousins ninety nine

23:59

the never genes or the same

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naked aggression

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and

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a hundred times more frequent and

24:07

a chimpanzee community

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a human

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a chimp we can get what it once by

24:13

beating up

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you can

24:14

but you know human communities

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if somebody attempts to be a voyeur another

24:19

what and any other way as

24:21

, of themselves at the expense

24:23

of the group they are collectively and powers

24:26

uma das without bully

24:29

they make fun of them team up against them

24:31

even from and jail look

24:33

at us right now making fun of all the

24:35

super chickens and high school classroom

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the corporate boardrooms

24:39

mariana receive for their part seem

24:42

to have figured a lot of this out

24:44

they say in a back when they first joined model un

24:47

the upper class and leading their team were all

24:49

about competition

24:51

and their priority was how do we make

24:53

the kids good how do we make them bring

24:55

homework and a routine i

24:57

have done are the hardest here to shift

24:59

away from that mentality it's because

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the chemo always do well we have great kids

25:04

and our if you know they're in san be smart they

25:06

know what they're doing is they're well trained but

25:08

also you don't care what you come

25:10

home where i don't care if you're on the bus to the trophy

25:12

or certificates or a tissue

25:15

you don't want you to come to mind and sit there for

25:17

like another hour and a half and and freak

25:19

out that's only that i to compete

25:21

this weekend how do i win like you know best

25:23

delegate which is first place we want

25:25

them to like learn something new we

25:27

want them to become better

25:30

speakers better writers better people

25:32

would just in general in

25:34

addition to being nicer me and

25:36

rusi have found that this approach might actually

25:39

make their team better at model un

25:41

this year was one of the most competitive years

25:43

they've ever had

25:45

the part that mighty because they retain

25:47

talent better this way

25:50

when their team was all about winning didn't

25:52

you didn't get top positions would figure

25:55

the club wouldn't be impressive on their college applications

25:58

though they just leave

25:59

senior year

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this year we've seen a consistent

26:03

number of seniors come to every single meetings

26:06

go to conferences and like men toward

26:08

the kids around them said spin really nice

26:10

having a seniors around

26:13

means the club maintains it's most experienced

26:15

members which is a huge benefit

26:18

to any organization

26:19

i think that

26:21

a lot of kids who i know who

26:23

at this point would have quit or

26:25

so here and have told us that they're still

26:28

here because our goals for them to enjoy

26:30

it i didn't get discouraged by

26:32

in l a lack of an award

26:33

i'm like a lot other teams stevenson

26:36

small you and doesn't make students try out

26:39

they just let everyone in

26:40

so they're not getting the most

26:43

polished students from the start you're

26:45

getting the most passionate was in creating

26:47

an environment where people wanna make each other

26:49

but

26:49

and it's

26:52

, i think it

26:54

shows a unit that has to do

26:56

either or you have to just have fun

26:58

corbyn acquired when you are enjoying

27:00

what you're doing it and we care about it naturally

27:03

that successful com i think that's why

27:05

this urged him to maintain a high ranking

27:07

nurse high enough content

27:16

or effort because that's the return for

27:18

them and then he , have to

27:20

want to gather they can find

27:22

that passion and also find that proceeds

27:25

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darwin wasn't just confused

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of life

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the actually trained genetic material

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