0:04

You know. I had a job interview once and I went in

0:06

and the person

0:09

asked me, what where do you see yourself in five years? I

0:11

knew it was a I shouldn't say

0:14

it, but I said prison. Welcome

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back to Ozzy Confidential.

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I'm your host, you Jean

0:26

Sir Robinson. And what do we got this week?

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I'll tell you very simply. We got

0:30

a one mister pillcles

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most dramas. All right, this

0:35

is gonna take a bit. I'm

0:37

a huge fan of Gene Hackman.

0:39

He came to my attention first and foremost

0:42

with the nineteen seventies flick The French

0:44

Connection. Fantastic movie. If

0:47

you haven't seen it, you should see it,

0:50

about a detective who's chasing an

0:52

international drug trafficker

0:55

through the streets of New York and fundamentally eventually

0:57

to France. Great story, great movie.

1:00

I'm no more spoiler alerts. Watch

1:02

it anyway. Stuck in

1:04

the back of my head this idea international

1:07

drug trafficker, drug trafficker, And

1:09

then I see a newspaper kiosk man

1:13

arrested selling drugs

1:15

for his mother wear all

1:18

over the globe. There's my international

1:21

drug trafficker. Imagine

1:24

that. Come on so

1:29

he says in the beginning, you know, he is, I

1:31

can get you off of six years. I'm going six

1:34

years. I go for first offense.

1:36

I go really and I had no meth, no guns,

1:38

no cash, no coke, no

1:41

heroin. I go six years, because

1:43

hey man, I like to err on the

1:45

side of caution and tell

1:47

you the higher number than to tell you I'm

1:49

going to get you off. And I go, well, that doesn't make me feel

1:52

any better. To be honest with you, I'd rather

1:54

you lie to me. As

1:57

my mother fell into a deeper state

1:59

of alzheimer, I had a payer

2:01

medical bills. You all of a sudden

2:03

tacked five grand onto your expenditures

2:05

every month. That's going to come from

2:07

somewhere. Now you can say, as

2:10

some people have, you could

2:12

have gotten another job. It's like, you know, I don't think

2:14

I could have, because I was working my butt off

2:17

at the gym. But the

2:19

stress of her being

2:22

in this facility, in a better care

2:24

facility, a better care facility, her

2:26

health is declining. I have a profitable

2:30

GM, as you know, or I did,

2:33

and the stress of

2:36

you know, her impending doom

2:39

just took a toll on me. It's not a huge

2:41

amount. But that's

2:43

on top of everything else. I had employees, I had

2:45

a rent, I had a fiance.

2:48

I was taking care of her kid. So

2:50

it started off at fifteen hundred dollars a month, went

2:53

up every time she would get kicked out, it would

2:55

have to go to a different level of care kicked

2:58

out. She

3:01

one time she got kicked out because she was throwing rocks

3:03

at cars. And

3:05

you met my mother. Yeah, yeah,

3:08

Another time she would walk down the hallways and just

3:10

punch people in the face. My

3:13

mother's like four foot ten, you know,

3:16

but that was the dementia, man, And

3:20

yeah, she would yell and scream, and it just

3:22

got progressively worse, and that's part

3:24

of the part of the disease. So she would get

3:26

kicked out, we'd have to find a different, higher level

3:28

of care. And as that happened,

3:31

the costs went up. So

3:33

that's how I got into that. You

3:36

know, I was talking to Bruce Cutler, John

3:39

got his mouthpiece, his lawyer,

3:42

and he said to me, look, only

3:44

a fucking degenerate goes into crime

3:48

accepting the three occasions, unless

3:50

you're poor, unless you're despairing,

3:53

or as part of your culture. In

3:55

this instance, I'm gonna go for despairing.

3:59

So every one of

4:01

us, I imagine, if

4:03

we think about our

4:06

criminal proclivities, we have a good

4:08

idea of the type of crime we'd

4:10

be good at.

4:13

My own personal doctor would tell me,

4:16

you know, steroids don't work, and I'm like, but

4:19

they do. You're monitoring

4:21

me. You know that they were. But what he said is

4:23

there have not been any studies done to prove that

4:25

they were correct. But he was

4:28

a very smart man. I mean, what he was trying to do

4:30

was to push me away from him. But

4:33

it's like you know, saying,

4:36

you know, cocaine will not get you high. It's like,

4:39

okay, but it

4:41

will. So so your

4:43

doctor was telling you know, they're

4:45

trying to push you away. Where were you getting

4:48

the steroids at this point, you

4:51

know, guys at the gym. That's how it started,

4:53

Guys at the gym. And I think you know quite a

4:55

few. I think

4:58

you know quite a few. Yeah. Back in the time, I

5:00

mean, you know, this is before they became

5:02

what are they class three drug?

5:07

This is when it was misdemeanor

5:09

to basically possess and sell

5:12

and use whatever. So we would

5:14

make a lot of runs into Mexico back in the heyday,

5:17

Mexican just stuff our pants, you know.

5:19

Come back. The

5:21

one time I brought two friends

5:24

down with me, it was Memorial

5:27

Day and we went in there. We bought

5:29

about five six thousand o's with the stuff, so

5:31

I divvied it up amongst us. You

5:33

know, we had stuff in our crotch pants, socks,

5:36

and I think the pharmacy. The

5:38

pharmacist told the authorities because

5:41

at the border it took us an hour just to get overwalking.

5:44

So out of a crowd, they picked

5:47

two of us. Now I was huge

5:49

at the time, so it was kind of a bad

5:52

idea, but I figured with all these

5:54

many people that there's no way that I'm

5:56

going to be picked out of a crowd. Well

5:58

I was. You know, they found

6:00

this stuff. They gave me an option to

6:03

pay a five hundred dollars fine. They

6:06

would take the products and

6:10

if I had never got in trouble again in two years,

6:12

they would be sponged off my record or

6:14

I can come back to court and fight it. So

6:16

I obviously took the first option.

6:18

Here we called it a day. So

6:23

yeah, but we were able. I mean I had friends that would go down

6:25

and put it in tires, drive back.

6:28

It just didn't matter. It was a free for all. Selling

6:33

drugs is one thing, selling

6:35

enough drugs so that you're getting

6:37

nabbed by the FBI something

6:40

else entirely. I

6:43

met a guy online I was I was looking to get back

6:45

into competing. He somehow

6:48

got me to become partners with him.

6:51

And then right after that, my mom was diagnosed.

6:54

So we ramped up our operation.

6:58

So I went from you know, one

7:00

hundred bottles a month

7:02

two Oh

7:05

you know when I when I was arrested. Uh, we

7:08

were in the process of getting a warehouse.

7:11

We had a pillow press. We

7:15

were doing close to a mill here. So

7:18

how did you know? I mean, you know chemist?

7:21

I mean I'm not Yeah, I mean

7:24

I don't don't. I don't

7:26

have the formal training per se,

7:29

But I'm I'm a home chemist. If you will,

7:33

no, I mean, if somebody gives me a bunch of powders,

7:36

I mean I put

7:38

salt and pepper. Again, you just you

7:41

need Uh

7:44

It's terists are not that hard to make. Uh.

7:47

You know, granted, there's a there's

7:49

a learning curve and

7:51

you have to be careful about it. You have to be uh

7:54

you know, uh sterile. Uh

7:57

you know, there's the stuff that it's going into your bloodstream.

7:59

Now, if it's a normal it's not really

8:01

as important, although it should

8:03

be because your stomach

8:05

asses will basically kill everything. But there

8:09

are solvents, there are into microbials

8:11

that you put in there you sterilize

8:14

everything. And this being stuff that

8:16

I also used, it

8:19

made sense that I was extra careful. So

8:22

it was the idea that if you got the

8:24

separate elements shift that you couldn't

8:26

be busted for them because they were not combined

8:28

into anything. No, no,

8:30

it's illegal. At that point

8:33

it was, it was illegal. So what was this

8:35

was the right after Barry Bonds and the whole thing. So

8:38

what was the benefit then of bringing in the well.

8:41

I'll tell you what. If I get one hundred grams

8:43

of let's say it's astosterolprope, I

8:46

can turn that one hundred grams of raw powder into

8:48

one hundred plus vials, okay,

8:52

for the cost to me of

8:55

maybe two dollars a vial. I'm

8:57

selling that stuff wholesale

9:00

for thirty and that guy

9:02

is turning around selling for sixty and whatever

9:04

else is going down the line. So it's a good business.

9:07

Oh, absolutely. The profit margins are

9:09

huge. But yeah, I just didn't realize

9:11

that's time, how much totally took on me, you

9:13

know, having to deal with that. So

9:15

you know, I'm a big guy. I'm big strong

9:17

man. I don't need you know, counseling. I don't need

9:19

any I'll take care of it. That's

9:21

not the case. You know. It eats you up inside.

9:30

It started off as a hobby,

9:32

the making of the steroids, and

9:34

then we moved down to other Viking

9:37

in ambient valium

9:39

xanax. So and how

9:42

did you decide to branch out to vic

9:44

it in and money? Yeah,

9:47

shit, you name it. Coke. No,

9:49

no, that I

9:52

have to give myself very little credit,

9:55

but what credit is to I was

9:57

not gonna mess with coke. I was not gonna mess with meth

10:01

Uh. They said that I had MDMA.

10:03

What I had was an analog, so

10:07

it was not MTMA. But it's just positive

10:09

for MDMA. Now it is nowhere near

10:11

MDMA. It's not the quality, but it's one

10:13

of those analogs. So

10:16

sold ecstasy technically,

10:18

yes, I mean, if

10:20

if you want to be specific, yes, were

10:25

you doing with this? You're about to move into warehouse that

10:28

one day you wake up like any other day. Well,

10:31

I had a feeling for quite some time. My ex

10:33

at the time was saying, you got to stop doing this ship

10:35

and you know, I h I said, I

10:38

know. But once the money starts flowing

10:40

in, you know, the you

10:43

start to rationalize and justify thing. You're

10:46

like, we

10:51

lived in Midtown Pallet, you know,

10:53

it's a quite neighborhood. I

10:55

lived in a ten you

10:57

know, department building, and

11:00

we kept seeing this white van outside

11:03

but it was out of place. It wasn't a newer van. It

11:05

was just like it wasn't beat up, but it's

11:07

just a weird van and you'd see it outside the house.

11:11

But I had this uneasy feeling for over

11:13

a month, and I was under observation. I

11:15

think for three or four they

11:17

couldn't figure out what I was doing because

11:19

I wasn't out in the open. None

11:21

of my stuff took a place in a face

11:23

to face, hand to hand transaction. Mine was all

11:25

mailed. So they see me leaving with bags

11:27

every day and go to the post office for like three

11:29

or four different post offices, you know, forty

11:32

thirty packs at a time, three or four different

11:34

post offices. Why just because you don't want you

11:36

don't want to RaSE suspicion. I mean you're mailing a lot of stuff.

11:39

You know, if you mail fifty packs or

11:41

one hundred packs out of one post office, the

11:43

chances that one might get seized are much greater.

11:46

But I knew every postal worker

11:48

from Palo Alto to

11:52

you know, San Francisco. So see,

11:54

the van is making you kind of use that's kind

11:56

of weird. But you're discounting rush

11:59

it off with it as a day. Well,

12:02

strangely enough, helicopters

12:04

are playing no no, no, no

12:06

no. I'll tell you the exact story. I remember

12:10

yesterday. You don't forget this ship. I

12:12

was laying a bad naked I was watching ironically

12:15

Law and Order, and I was drifting

12:17

in and out of sleep and I heard this knocking.

12:20

I had my bedroom door closed, so I

12:22

thought they were doing construction because they were doing construction

12:25

next door, so I didn't

12:27

paying attention and it

12:29

kept going on. And what I didn't

12:31

realize that they were yelling police, get

12:34

to open the door search form. Uh.

12:36

So I walked out to hear what the noise was

12:38

and the door just blew off. The hinges Ida

12:44

Homeland Security FBI and

12:47

the local police department. And

12:52

then I'm naked and they're like get on the floor, and

12:54

I'm like, really, dude, can I you know, the first

12:56

thing is say, I'm not doing you know. You

12:58

see, I don't have any weapons right

13:00

right, right right? You know where am I hiding him?

13:02

Right? Just just relax? You know, I

13:04

got nothing. So they put me on

13:06

the floor of the handcuff me. Yeah, tore

13:09

the house apart, said where are the drugs?

13:11

I go, really, there's there's

13:13

like five huge boxes in the living

13:15

room, unopened. I go right there. But

13:18

I mean they tore tore the

13:20

house up. When

13:22

I was arrested. There's two hundred

13:24

and seventy thousand dollars with the stuff in my house.

13:29

You know. So I'm sitting here talking to this guy,

13:32

talking to him, not separated

13:34

by plexiglass, and

13:36

I'm wondering one

13:38

point two million dollar question how

13:41

he beat the rap. So

13:44

you show up in the court and suit and you sit there and then

13:47

they say, well, we're gonna move this for continuance

13:49

next month. We'll see you next month. And this went

13:52

on for years. Oh, it wasn't a thing

13:55

speedy try or yeah, but you don't

13:57

want that, yo, You didn't want that. No you don't.

14:00

Why, well, because what

14:03

happened was I

14:05

had something that they called a safety

14:07

net. Because I don't have a real criminal

14:09

history, I'm able to provide

14:12

them information as to how I ran my operation.

14:16

They wanted to indict my girl, my fiance

14:18

at the time. I said, she had nothing

14:20

to do with it. Man, she did or she really didn't.

14:23

And that's the God's honest truth. She

14:25

wanted you know, in the beginning,

14:28

she didn't even know. But that's how

14:30

they get you to move on. So I spilled

14:33

had five boxes in the literary right.

14:35

No, no, no no, listen, I'm not saying she was

14:39

completely non complicity in that

14:41

manner, but that came towards the end. In the beginning,

14:43

she had no idea. For the first couple of years, she had

14:46

no idea. Has it ramped up, Yeah,

14:48

of course. But she was the

14:50

voice of reason, always telling me, you know, you got to stop this, got

14:52

to get the shit out of the house, you gotta do this. And I'm like, yeah,

14:54

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, you're

14:56

working, you're not sleeping, you're stressed

15:00

out. That was the last of my concerns, and I thought

15:02

I was smarter than law

15:05

enforcement everybody else, because

15:07

again we weren't dealing, dealing in

15:09

face to face, and I

15:12

mean nobody knew. Nobody knew. Some

15:15

of my best friends didn't know. All right, So now

15:18

what you want to do is get So what you're saying is you want to get

15:20

a continuance, continuous, continuous, just to drag

15:22

it out as long as possible. Well, basically because they want

15:24

to see are you able to reintegrate. Well.

15:26

I never really was away

15:29

from society in the sense I was. This was

15:31

not my main source of income, It was

15:33

not my employment, It was not what I

15:36

aspired to be. This was a secondary

15:38

thing for me, and it came out of necessity.

15:41

Now i'd be lying to say that I

15:43

didn't stay in it because of the money. But

15:46

this I didn't wake up one day and go, you know what's

15:48

missing out of my life drug dealing? You

15:51

know I need to be a drug dealer. No,

15:54

it came out of it was a necessity.

15:56

But yeah, I'd be flat

15:58

out lying to you and say that I

16:01

didn't pursue it further because

16:03

of the money that was coming in. And the thing with me was

16:06

that I didn't sell ship. It

16:08

was top notch quality

16:10

stuff. Did you actually have a name for the business or no,

16:13

No, there's there's no need to name

16:15

that really people,

16:20

Yeah, yeah, I have screen name. The mad Greek is what

16:22

I want to you

16:28

know. In the end, we just kept whittling and whittling away.

16:31

Looking back on it, it was very stressful. But those

16:34

years that I was on pre trial is

16:36

they wanted to see am I able to conduct

16:39

myself in a manner consistent with what they

16:41

were looking for? You know, absolutely,

16:46

you know, you don't realize it at the time. You're like, well,

16:48

is this gonna fucking end? Because every

16:50

month for a while I had

16:52

to go to court. It's like the

16:54

army. They want to break you down, you

16:57

know, brainwash you and make you

16:59

conform to their standards and their desires.

17:02

Once you do that, they leave you alone. So

17:06

this is a guy who walks up

17:08

to the abyss, is almost claimed

17:10

by the abyss, escapes the abyss

17:14

by What do you do after that?

17:17

How do you square yourself with a non

17:19

abyss lifestyle? Looking

17:23

back on it, it it all worked out for the best. That's how

17:25

I met the company that I'm at now. I

17:29

had three days to get a job or to

17:31

volunteer, and I actually

17:33

ended up volunteering for

17:35

a place in San Francisco that cleans the streets,

17:38

works with a homeless. Now, if

17:42

you would have told me four

17:44

years ago, three years ago, two years ago that I'd

17:46

be cleaning up shit, needles and garbage

17:50

for twenty bucks a day, I

17:52

tell you to go fuck yourself. Yeah,

17:55

you know, But I tell you what, I freaking

17:57

loved it. I freaking loved it.

18:00

I love the people that I was working with. It

18:04

made me feel better about myself, and

18:06

I was giving back to the community. And now I actually

18:09

work for the company in a different

18:11

capacity, but we're still working with

18:13

the homeless, you know, And

18:16

so I'm glad

18:18

for what I went through. I mean, it's definitely made me a stronger

18:20

person. You know, I

18:23

wouldn't want to do it all over again, But

18:28

I still wonder, you know, is

18:30

there anything about that high wire

18:32

act that you miss just a

18:34

little bit, a little

18:37

bit? And if

18:39

you do miss it just a little bit, how

18:42

tempting is it to go back. I

18:46

don't have a grip

18:49

on what it is that I want to do, you

18:53

know, for the rest of my life. You know, I

18:55

would have this hot beautiful, smart

18:58

girl that you know I would day and

19:01

all of a sudden I'd be like, yeah, you know what I

19:03

can do better? But

19:06

there was nothing wrong with her, you

19:08

know. In my mind though, it's like I got to go a

19:10

step above. Why why?

19:13

You know, Enjoy the moment, Enjoy the people

19:16

you're with, Enjoy where you're at. Or

19:18

what I don't miss is the stress,

19:22

the sleepless nights. And then

19:24

always in the back of your mind there's always the

19:26

thought of fuck, what if I get caught? What

19:29

if I get busted? You know, so

19:31

that that follows you around all day. You know, you

19:33

try to put it out of your mind, go about your business.

19:35

But if your

19:37

originable a reasonable human being, and

19:41

you're gonna think about that. So

19:43

i'n al miss the stress. Uh, you

19:45

know, I almost the guilt of being involved

19:47

in that at all. You know, in retrospect

19:49

it might be, you know, a great

19:51

thing that I did get busted because

19:54

who knows what what would have

19:56

happened from there? So

20:12

there you go, purpose

20:14

bound living in

20:17

forming a man's entire existence,

20:19

giving him super in support. He

20:21

says, I guess it sounds

20:23

plausible, Eh,

20:26

I don't know if I believe it, but he believes

20:28

it. And if it's like Candide

20:30

Voltaire's Great book, and doctor Pangloss

20:33

says, and doctor Pangloss says it is so, it must

20:35

be so. So I guess I gotta believe man

20:38

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