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Of course, you can follow the podcast at

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Packaday Podcast. We are on to day three

2:17

of the NFL Draft after a very exciting

2:20

day two. Brian did his

2:22

first trade of the draft, moving down from

2:24

pick 41 to pick 45. Green

2:27

Bay had four selections still on day two.

2:30

It was a very entertaining day. It

2:32

was an unpredictable day. Green

2:35

Bay ended up with four really fun players that

2:37

we are going to break down here so you guys

2:39

have a better feel and taste for exactly what type

2:41

of players these guys are and what they're going to

2:43

be able to bring to the team both this year

2:45

and moving forward. Before we get

2:47

there, the buzzword of

2:49

this draft so far, or at least this week

2:51

so far, I feel like for a lot of

2:54

Packer fans, it's been subterfuge. Brian

2:56

Gudekins is going to be lying and putting little

2:58

tricks into his top 30 visits are and trying

3:00

to keep things sneaky and you're not going to

3:02

be able to tell what he's going to do.

3:05

Brian Gudekins told us exactly

3:08

what he was going to do in

3:11

those first three draft picks with the first

3:13

and second round players that he selected. First

3:16

of all, per usual, all

3:18

of these draft picks that they have

3:20

taken so far are very Packers type

3:22

players. They hit a lot of athletic

3:24

thresholds. They're the exact type of players.

3:27

There's nothing that you're looking at from

3:29

an athletic standpoint where you're like, wow,

3:31

that's somebody that's usually off there. These

3:34

are all very Packers type players. Going

3:37

back to what Brian Gudekins said, three

3:39

different occasions, there were questions

3:41

in very recent memory that

3:45

led you to believe that the exact

3:47

three players that they selected with their first

3:49

three picks in this draft could be the

3:51

players that he selected. Let's start with

3:53

that offensive lineman. I talked about all of

3:55

this a little bit already in some of the live shows and things like

3:57

that. Bear with me for a second.

3:59

But on the offensive line, I asked

4:02

him directly, and I said, what are

4:05

you looking, what about these big offensive

4:07

tackles, the Gaitens and the Mims and

4:09

the Lathams? And he said, yes,

4:11

bigger, faster, stronger, but we

4:14

really like versatile guys. Guys that play outside could

4:16

also kick inside. That's worked out really well for

4:18

us, and we expect to continue to do that

4:20

in the future. No lies

4:22

told. The exact player that

4:24

you think of when that comes to mind,

4:26

a tackle that moves inside, Graham Barton is

4:28

an interior player who could play tackle in

4:30

a pinch. Their belief in

4:33

announcing him as a tackle and saying that he

4:35

has four position versatility is that Jordan Morgan's gonna

4:37

be able to play all over the place. He

4:40

told us exactly what they look for.

4:42

Jordan Morgan was the one player on

4:44

the board that really fit that exact

4:46

definition, and they took Jordan Morgan. He

4:49

was asked about linebacker back at the NFL

4:51

league meetings. He was asked, what about the

4:53

Sam, what about the Will, what about the

4:55

Mike, what differentiates the two, and again, I'll

4:58

paraphrase here a bit, but he basically said,

5:00

hey, we are looking for a two-linebacker defense.

5:02

We're gonna play a lot of nickel. We

5:06

want two guys that are interchangeable that are gonna have

5:08

all the same traits, and they're gonna be able to

5:10

do all the same things. We don't want specialties, because

5:12

once you have guys that get injured, those guys are

5:14

gonna have to step up, and if they're terrible at

5:17

one aspect of the game, that's gonna get exposed. So

5:20

the player that jumped off the tape and the

5:22

page for exactly how we defined that, a Quay

5:24

Walker-type player, somebody that could do everything that Quay

5:27

does, somebody that could interchange and sort of go

5:29

back and forth. You could blitz one, you could

5:31

drop the other, you could drop one, you could

5:33

blitz the other, you could spy either of them,

5:35

you could get sideline to sideline. Whatever you sort

5:38

of need, Edgering Cooper has, Quay

5:40

Walker has. There's flaws in both of their

5:42

games. There's things that, especially from taking on

5:44

blocks, you maybe were left wanting a little

5:46

bit more, but the exact thing

5:49

that he told you he wanted as

5:51

that second linebacker is Edgering Cooper

5:53

to AT. At

5:55

safety. I've said for a while now,

5:57

and I know Jaden Hicks is still on the board, I've said

5:59

that I think. Jayden Hicks pairs beautifully

6:01

with Zaver McKinney with

6:03

the thought process that Zaver McKinney

6:05

is your post safety and

6:08

Jayden Hicks is your box safety. There

6:10

are other safeties that were taken. Cole

6:13

Bishop for example who also could be that box

6:15

safety. When he was

6:17

asked and gave his definition of what he

6:19

wanted at the safety position, he

6:21

very vehemently said, not looking for a

6:23

box safety, not looking for a post

6:25

safety, not looking for a slot corner.

6:28

I want somebody who can do all of it. He

6:31

said it flat out. There's no, there's no line

6:33

here. There's no deceit. He told us

6:35

exactly what he was looking for. The

6:37

single most versatile safety in this draft

6:39

that can play in the post, that

6:41

can play in the box, that can

6:44

play too high, that can play in

6:46

the slot, that can do all of

6:48

it is Jevon Bullard. He

6:50

literally told us the exact definition of what

6:52

he was looking for and he got it

6:54

with the offensive lineman and Jordan Morgan. He

6:56

got it with the linebacker and Adrian Cooper

6:58

and he got it with the safety and

7:00

Jevon Bullard. One two three, Sutter

7:03

Fuge be damned. This is who he wanted and

7:05

he went out and he got his exact type

7:07

of players that hit all the athletic thresholds that

7:09

they usually look for. This was a

7:11

very Brian Gudikin draft. This was a very Packers

7:13

type player draft and he told it right to

7:15

our face and we should have seen it coming

7:17

from him. By the way, some of them we

7:19

did, we've gone over all three

7:21

of those players in pretty great detail as

7:23

very Packers types that they could pick and

7:25

we've predicted versions of this but it's

7:28

very interesting that again,

7:30

there should have been no doubt that

7:32

these three players were very high on their

7:34

list and he ends up with all three

7:36

of them in the first two rounds. All

7:38

right, day two in total, Adrian Cooper, they

7:41

take in the second round, Jevon Bullard, they

7:43

take in the second round, Marshawn Lloyd, the

7:45

running back just to sort of re-tamp your

7:48

Adrian Cooper, the linebacker, Jevon Bullard, the safety,

7:50

Marshawn Lloyd, the running back and Tyron Hopper,

7:52

the linebacker are the four players that they

7:54

get on day two of the draft. Remember,

7:58

Adrian Cooper is the air market.

8:00

Rogers trade, right? They know they trade down from 41

8:02

to 45, but Adrian Cooper is a piece

8:04

of that Aaron Rogers trade. Jevon

8:06

Bullard is their own second round pick.

8:09

Marshawn Lloyd is, I'd have

8:11

to look back at which one is which. I think the

8:14

Packers actually finished better than the

8:16

Bills. I have to go back and look, but Harper,

8:19

or excuse me, Hopper and Lloyd, one of those is

8:21

the Bills pick for Rizool Douglas, and of course the

8:23

other one is their own third round pick. Those

8:26

are the players that they end up with on day two. All

8:29

Packers types, but here's the big thing.

8:32

Day one, we know that Jordan Morgan was in

8:34

need, but again, that's going to be your classic

8:37

sort of in one way.

8:39

It's the home run swing, but in another way, it's sort

8:41

of like your eat your vegetables. This

8:43

is the sort of pick that they needed to take

8:45

in round one to really fulfill something that was super

8:47

important to them, a high end player, but also somebody

8:50

that can play a variety of different spots in that

8:52

offensive line and provide some much needed depth. Day

8:54

two, a lot more fun, I think,

8:56

and day two really also addressed a

8:59

ton of needs. Edger

9:01

and Cooper, linebacker, they needed that

9:03

starting linebacker opposite Quay. Yeah,

9:06

you could go into the season with Quay

9:08

and McDuffie, but you're always left wanting more

9:10

if those are your two starting linebackers. I

9:12

think Edger and Cooper is going to be a

9:15

stud, is a big time draft pick. I'm a

9:17

little surprised he took the chance of going down to 45.

9:20

He must have felt good about a couple of the

9:22

other linebackers, and clearly they took one later in Hopper

9:24

as well. But I was a little

9:26

surprised they moved down, but they moved down. They still

9:28

get Edger and Cooper. They pick up a fifth and

9:30

a sixth round pick in the process. Great

9:33

overall process by still getting their guy there. And

9:36

this is a player who's going to come in and start right away

9:38

next to Quay. Javon Bullard, I

9:41

know that they said like, hey, we think he can play in the

9:43

slot. Hey, we think he can play at safety. Let's

9:45

see. We think he's going to start at

9:47

say he's going to be the safety. He is going to

9:49

be the safety next to Xavier McKinney. We'll talk about more

9:52

on that in just a moment. But they get two clear

9:54

starters, in my opinion, and Edger Cooper and

9:56

Javon Bullard on day two. By

9:59

the way, and I said this yesterday. as well, I do

10:01

believe Jordan Morgan will start. Now, is it that for

10:03

Rashid? Does that mean

10:05

Rashid moves to right tackle, Zach Tom

10:07

moves inside and Sean Ryan is benched

10:09

or is Josh Meyers benched? Do

10:12

they put Zach Tom at center, Rashid

10:14

at right tackle and have Meyers and

10:16

Ryan fight for right guard? All of

10:18

those questions will get answered eventually, but

10:20

I do believe that Jordan Morgan will

10:22

end up starting as well. So then

10:24

you got a starting offensive lineman, a

10:26

starting linebacker, a starting safety, then they

10:28

go get Marshawn Lloyd, which we knew

10:30

that that running back position after

10:32

Josh Jacobs was still a huge need for

10:34

Green Bay. We had too

10:36

much experience last year when Aaron Jones

10:39

was out of the complete lack of

10:41

any dynamic playmaking in the running back

10:43

room. It wasn't good

10:45

enough. The juxtaposition of

10:48

what Green Bay had when Aaron Jones was

10:50

on the field from a playmaking standpoint to

10:52

what they didn't have when he was gone,

10:54

that gap was far too big. And it was so

10:56

important that they filled that with a running back that

10:58

had some explosive ability, that had the ability to take

11:01

it to the house, and that is going to be

11:03

a bit of a change of pace from what they

11:05

have on the roster right now. That

11:07

is Marshawn Lloyd, a really fun running back that

11:09

will again break down more in just a little

11:11

bit here. And then they go get Tyrone Hopper.

11:13

This was the one where maybe

11:15

because you already took a linebacker, didn't

11:17

feel quite as needy, but

11:20

I would disagree with that actually in

11:22

a pretty significant way. First

11:25

things first, if you just look at the

11:27

linebacker position right

11:30

now, you have Quay Walker,

11:32

Edgerine Cooper, Isaiah McDuffie prior to

11:34

the Hopper pick, and then

11:36

you've got special teams guys. Eric Wilson, special

11:38

teams guy, Christian Welch, special teams guy, Christian

11:40

Young's the back of the roster flyer type

11:42

guy. You've got really Quay Walker

11:45

and Edgerine Cooper and Isaiah McDuffie. And that's

11:47

it. You don't really have true linebackers that

11:49

you actually want in the game playing defense.

11:51

And if they do play any four, three

11:53

at all, those are your three. And if

11:55

any gets hurt, now you're

11:57

putting a guy in that you really don't want on.

12:00

defense. So getting some

12:02

more depth there was very important. The

12:04

other thing is injuries, of course, if you do actually

12:07

have any injuries at that position, it's going to be

12:09

important that you have somebody that can step up. The

12:12

other one is Isaiah McDuffie,

12:14

free agent, right? Like he's

12:16

gonna, he's ending his

12:19

contract is coming towards the end of his contract.

12:21

You want somebody that can potentially take that spot

12:23

if needed. And you go

12:25

now into 2025 with Quay

12:27

Walker, Edurin Cooper, and Tyron

12:30

Hopper, which gives you a little bit more

12:32

flexibility with what you want to do with

12:34

McDuffie moving forward as well. So overall, I

12:36

still thought that was a need at that

12:38

point. And they addressed a lot of their

12:40

needs by getting Cooper, Bullard, Lloyd and Hopper

12:42

on day two, along with Jordan Morgan on

12:44

day one. Let's kind

12:46

of play this out. Because I know some people

12:49

were maybe frustrated a little bit with the order

12:51

of operations and how the draft kind of played

12:53

out, specifically maybe with that first pick. Green

12:55

Bay was set to pick at pick 41.

12:57

And we sort of kicked off the beginning

12:59

of day two, and Cooper DeGene

13:02

falls to what 34, then 35, then 36, then

13:06

37, then 38, then 39. And you're thinking, Oh, my goodness,

13:09

they're gonna take them at 41. Then, pick 40 comes along

13:14

and let the

13:16

Eagles trade up for pick 40. And

13:19

they take Cooper DeGene right in front of

13:21

Green Bay, eerily reminiscent to yesterday, when the

13:23

Lions traded up one pick in front of

13:25

Green Bay and took Terry Arnold. I

13:27

said yesterday, I do not believe

13:29

Green Bay would have taken Terry Arnold based on Judy's

13:31

press conference. We talked about he's he doesn't seem to

13:34

be in the mood for line. He seems to be

13:36

pretty transparent with what's been going on. It

13:38

seems like they were

13:40

going to take Jordan Morgan that he was the guy

13:42

on the top of the list. They turned in that

13:45

card right away. They had no issue with Detroit moving

13:47

up. They had conversations with Detroit about trading. I

13:49

don't think they had any real

13:52

inkling of taking Terry and Arnold at that spot.

13:54

I think they were going to take Jordan Morgan

13:56

no matter what. So in a

13:58

way, Detroit moving up on day

14:00

one and taking Arnold before if they really wanted

14:02

Jordan Morgan better than somebody staying at that spot

14:04

which by the way was

14:07

the Dallas Cowboys that traded down the

14:10

Dallas Cowboys Jerry Jones had four players on their

14:12

list he came on said it there was

14:14

four players on their list that they were deciding

14:16

between one of which was Jordan

14:18

Morgan if the lines don't make

14:21

that trade it is possible well within the

14:23

realm of possibility because it was Barton I

14:26

think it was Darius Robinson if I

14:28

remember Barton Darius Robinson Tyler Guyton and

14:31

Jordan Morgan there's a realistic possibility that

14:33

they just take Jordan Morgan at that spot

14:35

and now Green Bay has to go in

14:37

a different direction and if Morgan was in

14:39

fact their guy that that trade-up for Terry

14:41

and Arnold could have actually been a blessing

14:43

in disguise for the Packers who I very

14:45

much believe at that point based on goodies

14:47

press conference after was legitimately their guy and

14:49

you might be rolling your eyes and say

14:51

well what is he supposed to say I'm

14:53

not even saying what are you saying I

14:55

was reading between the lines of how they

14:57

maneuvered on drafting it was very clear and

14:59

easy to tell paired with the fact that

15:02

that pic came up and they immediately

15:04

took Jordan Morgan I wholeheartedly believe Jordan

15:06

Morgan was their guy at that spot

15:08

I'm in the same boat here with

15:11

pick 41 I know that it looks

15:13

like pick 40 Cooper Eugene

15:15

the Eagles move up and then the Packers

15:17

move back Gudy and his press conference said

15:19

they had worked out that trade two picks

15:22

in advance theoretically

15:24

is he lying okay maybe theoretically

15:26

is it possible that they worked out that

15:28

trade to do you know two picks in

15:30

advance in the event that their

15:33

guy was gone and he just left off the

15:35

in the events that our guy was gone maybe I

15:38

said for a week now

15:40

I don't necessarily believe that Cooper Eugene

15:42

was the guy that they really wanted

15:44

I just again call

15:46

me crazy maybe I'm just wrong maybe they

15:48

really wanted them at 41 I don't think

15:51

so I think they were gonna go in

15:53

a different direction no matter what I think

15:55

Jevon Bullard was kind of the guy that

15:57

they wanted at that safety spot they

15:59

trade down after Dajin gets taken. I know

16:01

other people are maybe a little bit upset that Kool-Aid McKinstry

16:03

was there at 41. They trade out of 41, they get

16:05

45, 168, and 190 and

16:10

in the process the team that trades

16:12

up for 41, which is escaping me

16:14

at the moment, takes Kool-Aid McKinstry at

16:16

pick 41. So they had the opportunity

16:18

to take McKinstry twice at 25 and

16:20

41. They passed on it both times.

16:22

They probably had the ability to move up a little

16:24

bit if they wanted to go get Cooper Dajin. They

16:27

didn't and they had already had a trade

16:29

worked out per Brian Goudekintz at

16:31

pick 41. They were not going

16:33

to take him there either. So they, you know,

16:36

be upset that they didn't take Dajin and we'll

16:38

see if this comes back to haunt Green Bay

16:40

that they didn't. But again, I think

16:42

they really liked Jevon Bullard at safety, which they

16:44

eventually got at pick 58. I don't

16:47

hate that decision at all. Just don't. I

16:49

don't think that, you know, Cooper Dajin was

16:51

exactly what Green Bay wanted with this defense

16:54

and we'll just have to wait and see. Remember, he

16:56

did fall to pick 42. This is not somebody that,

16:58

you know, immediately after Green Bay

17:00

passed at 25, he went 26. He went

17:02

pick 40. So there clearly other teams had

17:04

some concerns with him as well. Pick

17:07

41, as I mentioned, was McKinstry. Then 42, 43, 44, and

17:11

45 comes back up and that's when the Packers

17:13

go get Edgering Cooper. The other thing I'll say here

17:15

too, whatever you think

17:17

of Cooper Dajin, and I will reiterate one more

17:20

time, I like Cooper Dajin. I really, really do.

17:22

He's a really good football player. But if

17:24

the difference multiverses

17:27

here that happen are that they take

17:29

Dajin at 41, meaning he doesn't go

17:31

40, they take Dajin at 41, they

17:33

don't get those extra draft picks. And

17:36

then when they pick at 58, Edgering

17:38

Cooper is gone and they can't go up to

17:40

get him. Please, like give me

17:42

the world in which they get Edgering

17:44

Cooper, Jevon Bullard, and two extra draft

17:47

picks rather than Cooper Dajin at 41.

17:49

And then they have to settle for

17:51

one of the other linebackers or they

17:53

just don't take a linebacker until maybe

17:56

88 or 91 when they

17:58

get Hopper and now they don't have Edgering Cooper. Cooper and

18:00

yes they probably end up getting some other good

18:02

player for sure but Edger and Cooper is to

18:04

me one of the really big aspects of this

18:06

draft for the Packers I love the fact that

18:09

they got him at 45 I'm not really willing

18:11

to change any of those universes to make it

18:13

so that they get Dajean but they don't get

18:15

Edger and Cooper and then they like especially when

18:17

you consider the fact that they got Javon Bullard

18:19

at 58 so I know that a

18:22

lot of people are upset about Dajean and totally you're

18:24

right like I said he's a really really freaking good

18:26

football player no questions asked and I do think half

18:28

Lee would have found great ways to you to utilize

18:30

him and use him but I don't think they

18:32

were gonna take them didn't seem like they had

18:34

any real interest and I love the fact that

18:36

they got Cooper at 45 then Bullard at 58

18:39

then they get Marcia Lloyd at 88 I don't think

18:42

there's much that really sort of went on from a drama

18:44

standpoint before that the question here is

18:46

Jalen Wright would they have been better

18:48

off taking Jalen Wright than Marcia Lloyd we'll

18:51

see we'll see where Jay excuse me Jalen

18:53

Wright goes in you know day three he

18:55

did not get taken the rest of day

18:57

two so he's still on the board

19:00

but I would have liked probably Jalen Wright

19:02

a little bit more but there's almost

19:05

zero differentiator there for me and I

19:07

love Marcia Lloyd I loved Jalen Wright

19:09

as well but no

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big one Tyron Hopper

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goes 91 and a lot

22:13

of people saying hey Peyton

22:15

Wilson Peyton Wilson's out there and

22:17

he of course just goes a few pics later after that

22:20

Peyton Wilson reported from Ian Rappaport that he

22:22

doesn't have an ACL in one of his

22:24

legs I don't even know how that works.

22:26

I am NOT a doctor I don't pretend

22:28

to be that seems bad. This seems

22:31

very not good There was a scout

22:33

that talked to Bob McGinn that said he's gonna be

22:36

a one-contract guy only My guess

22:38

is Peyton Wilson was not on Green Bay's

22:40

board just from a medical standpoint And it

22:42

is very clear that other teams sort of

22:44

felt that way as well that you know

22:46

for him to fall this far into Day

22:48

three it just was not

22:50

going to be the case. There's injury issues.

22:52

He's older. There's some instinct issues on tape

22:55

But if without the injury without any

22:57

of that stuff, he definitely goes a

22:59

lot sooner But I

23:01

can give Green Bay a pass here with the

23:03

thought process an idea that he probably just did

23:06

not pass their medicals The bigger one

23:08

for me here Cedric Gray. I think

23:10

Cedric Gray is a fantastic Linebacker that would have

23:13

been the direction that I went with there. I've

23:15

also talked about Olaf Hishio He's

23:18

another really fun linebacker I don't think he was ever really

23:20

in Green Bay's board But for me

23:23

if the choice was between Tyron Hopper and Cedric

23:25

Gray That's when I would have leaned pretty aggressively

23:28

towards Cedric Gray, but I am really excited I

23:30

went back and watched a little tape of Hopper

23:32

already. There's a lot of aggressiveness there. There's some

23:35

physicality I'm excited to watch Hopper a little bit

23:37

more and kind of break him down as we

23:39

get into this week and go deep dive By

23:41

deep dive over these draft picks, but we'll see

23:43

what well, you know where where gray ends up

23:45

going We'll talk about

23:47

Hopper's breakdown here. I don't hate it as much as

23:49

I think some people do and we'll get into why

23:52

in just a moment Alright

23:55

Let's go through. Well, like I said,

23:57

we're gonna go through really deep dives

23:59

on all of these players later in

24:01

the week. So we'll give kind of a

24:03

basic scouting report now, but the

24:05

big time deep dives are coming over the course

24:07

of the next two weeks for all of these

24:10

draft picks. Edgeran Cooper strengths

24:12

athleticism and speed. He triggers and

24:14

is like a missile to the

24:16

ball carrier, legit sideline to sideline

24:18

ability, an extremely easy mover,

24:20

and his overall athleticism, speed and

24:22

explosiveness jumps off the tape in

24:25

a very significant way. Change

24:27

of direction. His time testing was

24:29

not elite, but he definitely showed good change

24:31

of direction ability on tape. I don't have

24:33

any real concerns there. The

24:35

hitting is fantastic, the intensity is fantastic. If

24:38

you're looking for somebody that's gonna bring a

24:40

little bit more pop, a little bit more

24:42

oomph at that second level, and isn't gonna

24:44

be afraid to knock some people out, you're

24:47

gonna get that from Edgeran Cooper. Blitzing,

24:49

he is really great at it. He had eight

24:51

sacks this past season, and what he really has

24:53

is that closing ability. I talked about this in

24:56

the brief breakdown of Cooper, but with

24:58

Edgeran, you

25:00

talk about, when we talk

25:02

about edge rushers, sometimes you wish some of these

25:05

edge rushers had that closing ability to the quarterback.

25:07

Cooper has it as an off-ball linebacker, and that's

25:09

what makes him such a special blitzer is, if

25:11

he gets on a running back, he's gonna go

25:13

through that back, and then has the ability to

25:16

explode to the quarterback and close that gap, and

25:19

again, if he gets a free rush, he's

25:22

gonna close to the quarterback. He just has

25:24

a very unique closing ability for an off-ball

25:26

linebacker. Spine, he works

25:28

really well as a spy, so if you get

25:31

a more agile mobile quarterback that you want to

25:33

spy on, he can absolutely do that. He's

25:35

a machine at diagnosing screens, not only

25:37

at running back screens, but the

25:40

wide receiver screens to the outside. Cooper plays

25:42

on tape where he diagnoses that and screams

25:44

to the outside and makes an immediate play.

25:47

The game you can tell is very much starting

25:49

to slow down for him, especially this past season.

25:51

He started displaying more patience. Yes, it's great that

25:54

you want that physicality and that attacking demeanor, but

25:56

there is a time and a place for it,

25:58

and sometimes you just need to play with patience. I

26:00

thought he did a better job of that this past

26:02

season. In coverage, he didn't always get

26:04

asked to do a ton, but go back to 2022,

26:06

he gets challenged on

26:09

a wheel route, he covers it perfectly,

26:11

gets challenged on a Texas route, covers

26:13

it perfectly, he reads quarterbacks eyes well,

26:15

drops into coverage with relative ease and

26:18

reacts quickly to what's in front of

26:20

him. He's a great effort

26:22

player. He's constantly working towards the football, rallying

26:24

towards the football, and I thought he continued

26:27

to get better and better throughout his career.

26:29

The Alabama tape for Adrian Cooper is maybe

26:31

one of the best prospect tapes or

26:34

games of any prospect in this entire

26:36

draft. Weaknesses, they

26:38

did not ask him to do a ton in

26:40

coverage. Wrapping up needs to get better. Got

26:43

juked in the open field on multiple different

26:45

occasions by shiftier players. He will play too

26:47

fast, and that's where I said that patience is getting

26:49

there and it's more on display, but when he's

26:51

not patient, he plays a bit too fast. That

26:54

missile mentality, while sometimes a positive, sometimes it's a

26:56

negative and that's where he gets kind of beat

26:58

with those cutbacks. Place

27:01

too high as well. You'd like him to get a little bit

27:03

lower to the ground, play with a little bit better leverage and

27:05

a little bit better balance and center of gravity. He

27:08

avoids blocks rather than taking them on. He

27:10

will do a little bit of his own hunting and

27:12

sort of go outside the dynamic of the play. The

27:15

hard part here is that he actually does a really

27:18

good job of it, and usually when he does his

27:20

freelancing and he's like, I'm just going to make this

27:22

play on my own, he does, but he will do

27:24

a little bit of freelancing there. And

27:26

he's light. He's on the lighter side. He's

27:29

going to struggle against some bigger, more physical

27:31

offensive linemen in the NFL. That's

27:34

kind of why he avoids blocks rather than trying to take

27:36

them on. My big thoughts here. I

27:38

think he's the best linebacker in the draft or was

27:40

the best linebacker in the draft. To

27:42

me, he was always a fringe first second round guy

27:45

and Green Bay gets him at a really good spot

27:47

in early mid second round. I thought

27:49

he was the best player at a weaker position

27:51

in the draft, but I still think he was

27:53

well within the right to be drafted there even

27:55

earlier, if he would have gone a little bit

27:57

earlier. He fits very well in Jeff

27:59

Halfley's defense. He fits good definition of

28:01

what they want at linebacker. I

28:04

said before the draft that pick 41 felt perfect and

28:06

not only did they not have to go at pick

28:08

41, they got him at pick 45 while picking up

28:10

a couple extra picks along the way. He

28:13

is going to be green bay starter next to

28:15

Quay Walker right away. I don't think there's any

28:17

question about it and they should be a very

28:19

fun and dynamic linebacker duo. All

28:22

right, Javon Bullard strengths really

28:25

quick coming forward. 4-4-40 speed shows up

28:27

on tape. High points to football. Higher

28:30

explosiveness and leaping abilities and how we

28:32

tested at the combine. It shows up

28:34

more on tape. He's got tremendous versatility.

28:36

We talked about it slot, deep post,

28:39

box safety, too high safety, whatever you need him

28:41

to do. He can do it and he can

28:44

do it well. He's aggressive. He's

28:46

physical. He's attacking. Hand

28:48

in hand with actually we'll talk about that

28:50

with Hopper as well but Adrian

28:52

Cooper, they got some attacking players

28:54

now on this defense. He

28:57

can do everything well. High

28:59

football IQ, great instincts, plays fast,

29:01

does not hesitate and he won't

29:03

beat himself. He will make

29:05

other players in coverage beat him. Sometimes

29:09

he's going to be a little bit over patient but he's

29:11

not going to over commit. He's not going to usually bite

29:13

on double moves. He will stick with you and if you

29:15

beat him, he'll tip your cap but he's usually not going

29:17

to beat himself. Weaknesses. He will

29:19

get caught flat footed on the second level

29:21

if he's your last line of defense. For

29:23

example against Tennessee, Jalen Wright had a

29:26

big run. Bullard

29:28

had him in the open field and I say

29:30

had him. He was in the last line of

29:32

defense in the open field and Jalen Wright just

29:34

completely outran him and he got caught flat footed

29:37

and it was just gone. Over, had no chance

29:39

of catching up. He is

29:41

good but not great in coverage. A bit of

29:43

tightness in his hips can cause him to be

29:45

a little bit lacking in

29:47

the fluidity that you ideally would want at

29:49

the position. I do wonder what

29:51

his ideal fit is. This is

29:53

a little bit in the Cooper DeGene sort of realm that

29:55

we've talked about of I don't think

29:57

he's a perfect slot corner but he can play it. I

30:00

don't think he's a perfect box safety, but he can play

30:02

it. I don't think he's a perfect post safety,

30:04

but he can play it. I think a too high

30:06

safety system might have been the best system,

30:08

but the fact that he can do all of

30:10

it well gives me the confidence and faith that

30:13

they'll figure out how to use him best. And

30:15

it does give him that versatility with Xavier McKinney.

30:18

And then he just lacks some of the length. He's shorter.

30:21

He's a Darnell Savage type build. And you

30:23

just would love that, especially if he's going to play any center

30:25

field ball, that he gets a little bit more length and can

30:27

play that center field position a little bit better. He

30:29

does make up for it with speed and athleticism.

30:32

The fit here is that he is a

30:34

starter immediately, in my opinion, next to Xavier

30:36

McKinney with those two being able to play a variety

30:38

of different roles on the back end of that defense.

30:42

That brings us to Marshawn Lloyd

30:44

strengths. He's extremely shifty, fantastic cut

30:46

back ability, extremely minimal wear and

30:48

tear in his career, averaged seven

30:50

yards per carry this past season.

30:53

Good vision. He's very compact with

30:55

really good speed, projects as a back

30:57

who could pick up the blitz, although

30:59

we'll talk more on that just momentarily.

31:01

And he has good hands, although he

31:03

had very limited opportunities to actually utilize

31:05

his hands. His weaknesses, he gets

31:08

a little bit east to west far too often. And

31:10

what I mean by that is sometimes you just need

31:13

to take the yardage that's in front of you. He

31:15

will try to bounce outside when there's not always an

31:17

avenue to bounce outside. And that just ends up usually

31:19

in a loss of yardage. Fumbles

31:22

have been a major issue, eight fumbles in his

31:24

career. He had a torn ACL. It's

31:26

clear now he's fine. It was a while ago, but still

31:29

worth noting. Pass

31:31

bro has been an issue. Like I said, he projects

31:33

to somebody with that compact build that should be able to

31:35

pick up blitz as well. But it has

31:37

been a bit of a roller coaster ride when he's asked

31:39

to do it. Let's

31:41

see, what else do we have here? Minimal

31:44

experience, meaning we talked about the

31:46

minimal wear and tear, but he also just doesn't have

31:49

some of the experiences. Yeah, he has enough, but usually

31:51

you get these guys a couple thousand carries. He just

31:53

doesn't have that at college. So still a learning curve

31:56

a little bit for Marshall Lloyd, a limited

31:58

pass catching experience very very limited

32:00

special teams ability. So he's gonna have to really

32:03

make it as a running back and continue to

32:05

hone and improve some of those skills. He's

32:07

fitting Green Bay in my opinion number two running back

32:09

for the change of pace. He needs to be better

32:12

at holding on to the ball, pass protecting and showing

32:14

more as a pass catcher. If he can't hold on

32:16

to the ball and he can't pass protect it's gonna

32:18

be really hard to get on the field. So it's

32:20

gonna be paramount for

32:22

Lloyd that he does a better job of holding on

32:24

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32:27

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32:29

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32:35

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32:37

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32:39

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32:42

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32:44

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32:46

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32:48

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32:52

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but not least, Tyrone Hopper strengths impressive

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blitzing ability sideline to sideline speed. He's

34:17

an attacking linebacker plays with great energy

34:19

works well as a quarterback spy. These

34:21

are a lot of the same traits

34:24

we talked about with Adrian Cooper. He's

34:26

impressive in pursuit will track down players

34:28

from behind team captain plays physical willing

34:30

to take on blockers 468 career

34:33

special team snaps and he comes from

34:35

a very impressive Missouri defense that's very

34:37

well coached. I love the Darius Robinson's

34:39

the Ennis Rakes draws in this class.

34:42

He's from that same Missouri defense that was fun

34:44

attacking physical and they really played football the right

34:46

way and I think he's going to hopefully be

34:48

able to bring that over to Green Bay. His

34:51

weaknesses I think he has a little bit

34:53

of poor instincts needs to do a better

34:55

job of wrapping up does not look natural

34:57

in man coverage has poor change of direction

35:00

ability. He's undersized. He's another player with short

35:02

arms. I think we're about done talking about

35:04

short arms at this point but he is

35:06

a little on the short arm side and

35:09

he will struggle with size and athleticism of

35:11

bigger offensive lineman and taking on those linemen

35:13

at the next level. His fitting Green Bay

35:15

core special teamer. He'll have the opportunity to

35:17

earn that number three linebacker job over Isaiah

35:20

McDuffie. He's a depth piece and could

35:22

potentially be that Isaiah McDuffie number three linebacker

35:24

replacement moving forward as they potentially could move

35:26

on from McDuffie if they wanted to after

35:28

this season. So Hopper is an interesting player

35:30

but like I said he's going to provide

35:32

some depth. He's you know so he's a

35:34

long term play. They needed more bodies that

35:37

linebacker and he is a core special teamer

35:39

for Rick Bassashi as well who finally

35:41

gets a little something. He got Greg Joseph.

35:43

He got Kishan Nixon back but he's

35:46

lost some players down. They cut last year Rudy

35:48

Ford is gone. So he finally gets a player

35:50

that really projects as a core special teamer. I

35:52

don't know if they're just throwing you know Bassashi

35:55

a bone at the end of day three but

35:57

it's important to get these style of players to

35:59

that. can come in and help on special

36:01

teams, especially with the new kick return rules. I

36:03

think that's gonna be really important, but he's gonna

36:06

be a core special teamer from day one and

36:08

some much needed depth at that linebacker position. As

36:10

far as day two on a whole, they fill

36:12

a lot of needs, they get two linebackers, a

36:14

safety, a running back, all positions we've talked about,

36:17

them needing to fill out the roster. Love

36:19

the Adrian Cooper pick, think he's the best

36:21

linebacker in the draft. Javon Bullard is exactly

36:23

what they were looking for, and it's gonna

36:25

allow for a lot of versatility with both

36:27

McKinney and Bullard and a lot of disguising

36:30

with what they do pre and post snap.

36:32

Looking forward to that. Marshall Lloyd was Daniel

36:34

Jeremiah's top running back in this draft, and

36:36

like I said, I had a couple running

36:38

backs a little bit ahead of him, but

36:40

he is in every right to be in

36:43

the argument and in that conversation right

36:45

with any other running back in this draft. And

36:47

Hopper is a core special teamer with much needed

36:49

depth at linebacker that I think they overdrafted probably

36:52

a little bit, but I'm really excited, like I

36:54

said, to go back and break down his tape

36:56

a little bit more. I do like the attacking

36:58

mentality that Hopper has, and Cooper has that

37:00

ability as well, and it makes you wonder,

37:02

in this Jeff-Afli defense, are they gonna be

37:05

more attacking, more double A gap blitzes, more

37:07

run blitzing, more spine, more attacking? Are they

37:09

gonna do that? Because if so, they got

37:11

two linebackers that are able to attack in

37:14

Hopper and in Adrian Cooper, and they have

37:16

one as well in Quay Walker already. If

37:19

you kind of look at it as a whole, not

37:22

only did they get Adrian Cooper, who

37:24

might be the best linebacker in the draft, in my

37:26

opinion is the best linebacker in the draft, but

37:29

he picks up a fifth and a sixth round draft pick for

37:31

doing so, that's a great process. They

37:33

arguably have maybe the best safety in the

37:35

draft, it's at least arguable. Maybe

37:38

the best running back, Daniel Jeremiah, has Lloyd

37:40

as the best running back, they got a

37:43

premium left tackle, and a core special teamer

37:45

and a depth piece at linebacker. That's tough

37:47

to argue so far with those results, of

37:49

course, the results will be on the actual

37:51

football field itself, but it's hard to argue

37:53

too much with the process for Gooty. Even

37:56

if there are a couple players that maybe you liked more,

37:58

Taryon Arnold, Cooper Dajin, that you wish he may. Maybe would have gone

38:00

up for it's tough to argue with what he's been

38:02

able to achieve So far and just

38:04

a lot of this is gonna be depends on how

38:06

these actual these players go out and play on game

38:08

days As far as day three a lot

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of picks remaining fourth round pick fifth round pick

38:13

fifth round pick two six two sevens So

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a fourth two fifth two six two sevens X

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126 168 169 190 202 219 245 and 255 should be a busy Day

38:27

three I do think he's gonna get active. I

38:29

would not be surprised if 126

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comes up also there is a what a 42 pick

38:33

gap between 126

38:36

and 168 don't be surprised if they

38:38

use some of those picks to go from 168 or 169 up in

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the 141

38:44

50 range just to narrow down that gap a

38:46

little bit as far as what they should attack They

38:49

can attack everything quarterback running back

38:51

wide receiver tight end offensive line defensive

38:54

line still linebacker Corner safety they can

38:56

take everything at this point It

38:58

is interesting that Ian Rappaport noted that

39:01

Spencer Rattler was in Green Bay for

39:03

a pre-draft visit They'd probably have

39:05

to take him in round four. I would

39:07

be totally fine with that. I like Rattler I

39:10

wouldn't have had any issue if some team took them in

39:12

the second round and you always want to

39:14

take these flyers on quarterbacks We always talk very

39:17

romantically about Remember when

39:19

they used to take quarterbacks all the time and they got Aaron

39:22

Brooks and they got Mark Brunel

39:24

and Matt Hasselback And

39:26

you know all these Late

39:28

quarterbacks in the Ron Wolf era that ended

39:30

up turning out really well when he constantly

39:32

took flyers on these guys If

39:35

you want to take a flyer on Rattler and you

39:37

think he can be a you know Big-time backup and

39:40

maybe even with some starting quarterback potential by all means

39:42

go and do it You're in the day three of

39:44

the draft. I don't want to

39:46

hear anything about position on day three Just

39:48

try to find with all those picks that good.

39:50

He has just try to find two or three guys

39:52

that can be Difference makers

39:54

moving forward meaning rotational players somebody that has

39:57

a specific skill set even if it's a

39:59

backup about just find good

40:01

players the position does not matter

40:03

whatsoever in my opinion. I do

40:06

think there's offensive line corner and safety I

40:08

just said don't talk about position and I'm

40:10

gonna completely contradict myself so beautifully right after

40:12

but I do think there's a lot of offensive linemen that

40:14

they can still attack and I do think grabbing a

40:17

corner for some competition and another safety

40:19

could be positions that they still look

40:21

to on day three of the draft.

40:24

Some players that were still on my board on the 25

40:27

most likely draft picks from this draft Mason

40:30

McCormick offensive lineman Isaiah

40:32

Guarendo running back Donovan Jennings

40:34

offensive lineman Jalen Sandel offensive

40:36

lineman Nick Gargiulo offensive lineman

40:38

Jalen Carley's safety Kitano Lidabo

40:40

safety Jayden Hicks safety and

40:43

Eric Watts defensive end on

40:45

my honorable mention list was

40:47

Tam Hart a corner and

40:49

Tanner Bordellini the offensive lineman

40:51

from Wisconsin. Every single

40:53

pick so far that Green Bay has taken

40:55

was on my Packers centric big board if you

40:57

want to check that out it is out on

40:59

Twitter I'll probably post it again early

41:02

on Saturday so that'll be out there but every

41:04

single pick that Green Bay's taken has been from

41:06

that board we'll see if we can continue that

41:08

moving forward. My feel after three

41:10

rounds I feel good about the draft I

41:13

would have if you would like sort of reverse

41:15

engineer this if you would have

41:17

told me that they took Adrian Cooper at 25 and

41:19

Jevon Bullard at 41 probably

41:22

a bit aggressive once it had much of an

41:24

issue with it so they still

41:26

get Jordan Morgan in the first round they

41:28

get you know Cooper at in the

41:31

second round while moving down and picking up a

41:33

fifth and a sixth round pick they get Bullard

41:35

at 41 they get a really fun running back

41:37

and then they get again maybe a bit of

41:39

a reach but somebody that's gonna be a rotational

41:41

linebacker in a court special teams piece I

41:43

think Gootie did work and he definitely filled a lot

41:45

of the holes in the gaps that really needed filling

41:48

on this team he's gonna be able to do a

41:50

little bit more of that on day three meanwhile some

41:52

other news here Jordan Morgan will wear number 77 I

41:54

don't think any of the other jersey

41:56

numbers have been given out yet but Morgan will wear number 77

42:00

In the NFC North, it was a

42:02

little bit tough with all the amazing picks from the

42:04

NFC North on day one. On day two, only

42:07

two picks in the division outside of

42:09

Green Bay. Green Bay picked four players,

42:11

the rest of the division combined, two.

42:13

The Bears, Kieran Amagagi,

42:16

offensive tackle I really like, developmental

42:19

player. But he's going to take some

42:21

time, I think, before he's even remotely ready.

42:23

But he's a good player. I do like that pick.

42:25

And same thing with the Lions. Ennis Raikstra, one

42:27

of my favorite players in this draft. You got

42:29

two good players that went. Now the Lions here,

42:32

the interesting piece is they got Terry and Arnold,

42:34

and then they got Raikstra. So they went out and

42:36

went two corners. I think that's probably

42:38

a little over aggressive at that position, but I

42:41

love both of those players. And they're going

42:43

to both fit very well. Raikstra is your

42:45

ultimate knee biter, ankle biter, whatever they call

42:47

it. Like he's that dude. He's going to

42:49

fit in perfectly in Detroit with that system

42:51

and style. That's a

42:53

Lions pick all day, every day. But I like

42:55

both of those picks, but only two picks in

42:57

the division. The Vikings did not have any day

42:59

two selections. That's going to do it for me. Appreciate

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44:26

of rest now. Get

44:28

energized for day three and then we'll break

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