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Page 94, the Private Eye
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podcast. Hello and welcome
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to part three of the
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Paul Foot Award Private Eye page 94
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special this year. Very exciting, very much
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the Godfather part three of the satirical
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podcast world and there's
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going to be a ritual bloodletting later on. Before that
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we are here with Podrick Reedy
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who is the Chief of Judges as you have been for
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how many years now Podrick? Is this
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six or seven? I think it's six. 2017 I think when it
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was brought back from a
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brief hiatus after a certain
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news organization pulled this plug on the funding. We
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should say that was the Guardian who pulled the plug on the funding.
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Podrick, how many entries did you have this year? We
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always talk about the short list but maybe it's worth talking about the
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long list and in fact the pre-long list. Well
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Amelia who does the PR for
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the award
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told me once never to reveal the exact
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number because you always
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kind of get trapped in always having to beat the exact
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number. What I can say is that in my time doing this
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which is six years now it was the second
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highest number we've
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ever had and the
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only year that beat that was the first year of lockdown
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when people clearly had nothing better to do and
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everyone was at home, not in the office,
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nothing was working so they thought why the hell not
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enter. So this year with a fully functioning press
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back again we've had the second highest
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and by a very close margin number of entries
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which was both brilliant obviously
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for the award and also quite daunting for
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me in particular because I do have to read every single
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one. The
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other thing we should say is about the timing with which they're
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delivered so Maisie whose voice you
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hear at the start of every episode of Page 94 was saying with about six hours
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to go there are hardly any submissions this year and
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as always they come in an absolute flood right on the deadline.
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Right on. Every March myself and
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Maisie send each other messages daily saying
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have you looked at the Spreadsheet of Doom, have you updated
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the spreadsheet of Doom and we both
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panic and then on the morning of July 13
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running within an hour, literally
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within an hour, four-fifths of the entries
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turn up. As we've talked so much in
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previous years about the shortlist
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and the longlist, I know you're going to say they're all brilliant.
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There's a range of journalism in there. There are so
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many, you know, there are different kinds of journalism, different
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kinds of story, all from different
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kinds of writers. I wonder what
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advice you would give to people listening
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to this, maybe hacks listening to this, who want to get their
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story onto next year's Paul
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for the World Shortlist. I think there are
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two elements for this.
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There is, you know, when we think about it, there is the
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investigation and there is the campaign.
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And for me, actually, the campaign part is very important.
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It's the perseverance, the sticking
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with something. And I think that's the one thing
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that unites all the entries this
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year is, you know, these aren't some piece
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of inspiration or having one source
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that was cultivated. Everything here is the result
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of months and sometimes years
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of hard work, slog, jol
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and slow-moving legal battles even, just
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to even get to the point of publication.
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I guess, you know, people are lucky
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to have great editors who will give
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them that scope and that space. But this
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is proof that those efforts
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and that kind of journalism is rewarded.
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Thanks very much, Podrick. So there you have it. Let's
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go live now to the stage where Ian Heslop is
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about to announce the winner of this year's
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Paul Foote Award. Over to you.
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So
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the Paul Foote Awards 2023
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and the winner is David
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Cone from The Guardian. So
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there you have it. David Cone of The Guardian has won
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this year's Paul Foote Award for his brilliant story
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about Baroness Michelle Moan and
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the £200 million
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PPE contract that was awarded
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via the government's VIP lane during
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the pandemic, which went to a company initially
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denied to be anything at all to do
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with Moan, her husband and their grown up children,
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and
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David's brilliant work was revealed
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to be quite a bit to do with all that. David,
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congratulations. Thank you very much.
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It's really fantastic.
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And just to be mentioned in the same
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frame in any kind of way as Paul thought
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is just such a huge... It's
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quite hard to actually maybe even for people
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to understand, but when we were
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growing... Because of the generation I am,
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you're genuinely growing up. Like
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reading Paul thought and some
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very, very few others as like the absolute
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pinnacle of journalism. And I
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think it's not even just the
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actual work he did, but knowing
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that what he was doing was trying
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to uncover and unpick and overturn
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miscarriages of justice. I think
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with people of my generation, that really
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embedded in us the idea that that is
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the pinnacle of journalism. That's what we need to be
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focusing on. Of everything else
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that we could be doing,
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we need to realise that there's people in
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prison who shouldn't be in prison. There's injustices
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that should not be maintained. We
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should also say there are people who aren't in prison who
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maybe should be. Well,
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you might say that, Andrew. So,
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yeah, it's a massive, massive privilege.
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So thank you very much. Ian,
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another great year for investigative journalism. Yes,
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incredibly cheering. And we had a brilliant
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short list and any of them could have won. And,
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you know, we had
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three big national stories, but also three
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much smaller stories that were equally
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beautifully handled. And I
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read various resumes of them, but basically,
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and you have done this much
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better on the previous episodes, the
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sheer amount of effort to get through
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that wall of hassle
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and secrecy in all the cases
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is brilliant. So, I mean,
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we had a huge number of entries. So all
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I can say is, you know, get going for next
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year. Get your entries.
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in and obviously suck
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up to your editors appallingly to
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make sure they do it. Okay,
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that's it for this episode of Page 94. We hope
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you've enjoyed listening and seeing this brilliant
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glimpse at the cold face of British investigative journalism.
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We will be back next year with
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another one of these, but before then we will
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probably squeeze in just a few more episodes of
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the regular podcast where we speak to
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the brilliant hacks who write the magazine itself about
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the stories they've been working on and get a bit
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more insight into their processes and
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all the interesting
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crunchy things they
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found out along the way. Thanks for listening to
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this, which as ever has been produced by Matt
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Hill of Rethink Audio. We'll see you next
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time.
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