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Taylor, anything. Yes, This is

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Marty by Pharaoh, destroy.com And of

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course as always. I can load.

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Talk. More about them later. Hutch looking great! Thank

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you for joining us! What's up guys? Get a

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beer. You're. Talking about

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gaming. Which. Is a natural foray

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into know of our interests. This new

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Hell Divers game files obsessed with the

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have you played all Hutch I played

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it is one time with Bruce and

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Manners and I gassy and I had

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a good time with the of Abbott

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is Better North Eggs Cal. Now.

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While he's bruised but bumped I'm a Brit

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brew screen is now on. Out of the

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growth is idea. Has he been on the

0:39

show? Yeah. Is. Awesome bruises guy.

0:41

whole bunch. But now I just

0:43

I think I've only played for like three and a half

0:46

hours. But.

0:48

You guys are your cock Collier's Super under.

0:50

I've. Been play I started. Lakers are still obsessed

0:53

with Archive, but I've been planned for maybe

0:55

a week now. And. I really

0:57

like it. I like like the Starship Troopers

0:59

references or or influence or whatever you want

1:01

to call it. I saw that Casper Van

1:03

De and the main actor from Starship Troopers

1:06

is. Interacting. With the

1:08

Ceo on twitter. Gone back

1:10

and forth in the Ceos like mate. we need to add

1:12

some rough next to the game. what are you guys think?

1:14

And Catherine the and like I work for money. Let's do

1:16

it. Why I

1:18

need for sure put him in a commercial

1:20

that's like such an easy layup. That's what

1:22

they're after for him. And who's the gay

1:25

one who was the like that he hadn't?

1:27

He Doogie Howser. Well as movie houses down

1:29

again not Act of your Engineers. Yeah, I

1:31

want it. Yeah it hit. He would be

1:33

good zoo. They were great. That movie. So.

1:37

I like that a lot. That brings me into

1:39

it right away and and one of the enemy

1:41

types is just copy pasted from those movies. The

1:44

arachnids from that movie are the term and it's from

1:46

this game. They even do this thing when they see

1:48

you were there like. Like

1:50

open their mouths and kind of scream at you

1:52

as sort of flutters and like drills. and it's

1:55

like that's from the fucking movie. and

1:57

so like i i enjoy that part is

1:59

hell divers the Where there's flying

2:01

insects, but the company's denying the existence

2:03

of flying insects. Yeah Yeah,

2:07

the CEO is sort of acting as the minister

2:10

of propaganda and he's like any reports you may

2:12

have heard of flying enemies Complete

2:14

dissident nonsense. Okay report anyone telling

2:16

you that sort of thing to

2:18

your local Liberty Liberty police right

2:21

away They'll be sent to a

2:23

freedom camp That's such a

2:25

that's such like a fun way to handle

2:27

a game like I love that That's so

2:29

playing into the flavor of building the lower

2:32

having fun They thought we're more games here

2:34

is no it's interesting because there

2:36

is no campaign per se. There's no sink

2:38

storyline There's no single-player missions. It's

2:41

just the co-op sort of Halo s ODST

2:43

drop-in four-man squads we can play so if

2:45

you want the four-man squads and Smash and

2:47

kill and do objectives and then get the

2:49

fuck out extract and reportedly there

2:51

were Halo devs that pitched a very

2:54

similar game and bungee turned it down. Yeah

2:57

But yeah, can you explain the thing

2:59

that you did on PKN about how expendable you

3:02

are in the tutorial? I love it

3:04

so fucking much every time. Oh, yeah, Jackie Like

3:07

like I don't like it's got a great tutorial

3:09

you start and they teach you like this is

3:11

a shoot You go and everything just dies in

3:13

front of you these paper fucking targets or whatever.

3:15

It's like this is how you jump All right.

3:17

This is how you crawl. All right. Got it.

3:19

All right, this is gonna be a congratulations

3:22

Soldier you graduate and a confetti goes

3:24

off and you stand there you get

3:26

your cape They put a cape on

3:28

you like you and I'm like all I know

3:30

to do is shoot and run and crawl I

3:33

know that's all you need soldier. Here's your very

3:35

own flight to start Star Destroyer. It's yours flight

3:37

Where'd you like it tells you to go to

3:39

a kiosk and there's just a pool of blood

3:41

next What

3:43

the fuck are we doing here? Yeah, so

3:46

are you supposed to be like a conscript

3:48

who we pulled into fight? I'm double you

3:50

have no value basically, so they train you

3:52

for 45 seconds. They said you offered you

3:54

die It is your you're incredibly like kind

3:56

of campaign for a shooter. You just

3:59

constantly died They don't, you

4:01

don't need to live to complete the missions. That's

4:03

interesting. I didn't realize that like we would complete

4:05

a mission and then we'd fail to extract and

4:07

be like mission accomplished. Like

4:10

they don't care that you're dead. That's

4:13

funny. I like the flavor of that. What's different though,

4:15

is they've got that like sort

4:17

of dungeon master guy who's running the

4:19

overall galactic war and deciding what's happening

4:22

and keeping with the satire

4:24

and, uh, of the whole thing, they're

4:26

like, all right, there are these four planets, this

4:28

is like a mission. They gave the whole big

4:30

update. They're like, there's four planets right on the

4:33

border of us and the bug systems. We

4:35

need you to go to these planets and

4:37

release term and term aside, but it's a

4:39

get, we're going to gas the whole planet.

4:41

And so everybody's working to gas those planets,

4:44

but, and it's already been leaked like little spoiler, if

4:46

you care about that game storyline, but what's going to

4:48

happen is the terminus side is going to just mutate

4:50

them and make them worse. Of

4:52

course. So it's, it's always little stuff like

4:54

that. I think, um, that's on

4:56

the right side of the galaxy. And if you're on the

4:59

left side of the galaxy, you fight the terminators, which I

5:01

don't really enjoy fighting too much because they're mean. Um,

5:04

they're rough. Those guys are tough. So

5:07

those are like, they have guns. They're

5:09

way harder. Terminators. Um, so, so there's

5:11

like their standard terminator, like, like just

5:13

metal endoskeleton with a, with a lake,

5:15

with like a laser, uh, rifle, but

5:17

then there'll be like giant

5:20

men with two chainsaw arms chasing you

5:22

and big armored things. And like 80

5:25

80s or the walkers rather from star wars, they just

5:27

rip those right off that thing's

5:29

crawling at you. Um, and then

5:31

they'll just drop a giant tank in sometimes like a

5:34

literal tank tank that like nothing hurts it

5:36

unless you shoot it in this little square in the

5:38

back, right? That's how all the enemies are. They've got

5:40

this tiny little weak point that you've got a, you've

5:42

got a target. So yeah, that, that

5:44

game's been fun. And I was saying earlier, like,

5:46

if anybody's got it, like buy yourself a stream

5:48

deck, cause you can put all your

5:50

strategies on this little fucking keypad and be

5:52

a real star commander and you just, you

5:54

know, one button. Are those all the strategies?

5:56

Or are those your 15 favorite or 20

5:58

favorite? Yeah, there's one to hit

6:01

what do you mean color the picture? There's like On

6:05

there. Yeah, that one shows like two bombs

6:07

on a plane or rockets or Icons

6:10

mean something to you. It's good. Well, yeah because

6:12

I play the game Okay

6:17

with stream deck I can make these anything like

6:19

I could make this one YouTube and it would

6:21

be would be the YouTube icon Like there's a

6:23

there's a I downloaded this whole pack That's all

6:25

the things and in my software over there. I

6:27

can just drag and drop different ones They automatically

6:29

update with the correct codes on them and it's

6:32

it's seamless. It's super like the

6:34

killstreak icons and cod Yeah,

6:36

like, you know, yeah, whatever that yeah, you

6:39

start to know how many I think

6:41

we're in a I think we're in a age

6:43

of Gaming right now like there's

6:46

a lot of like crap live service stuff

6:48

But I don't understand the people that are

6:50

that trying to make the case that you know games in 2009

6:52

were way better Like I just don't

6:54

agree with that at all. There's so many options now 2009

6:58

was a big year though because you sort of had

7:00

this bloom of games modern work it all happened and

7:03

Halo 3 and like like a number

7:05

of the greats that we think of Maybe

7:07

border lands back then to the Online

7:11

gaming was really born somewhere around there.

7:13

That's when like left 4 dead was

7:15

popular con from a popular Console

7:19

online gaming that's when it because PC had

7:21

been doing online stuff for a while But

7:23

when it really really mainstream was was yeah,

7:25

it was 2009 was like definitely the birth

7:27

I would say Yeah,

7:29

yeah, I should have mentioned something about mainstream. But yeah,

7:31

that's that's when Shucks headsets

7:33

and microphones were just sort of hitting the

7:35

deck in the console world for the consoles

7:38

Yeah, I agree with you. I think right now Some

7:41

of the best games I've ever played have been

7:43

the last couple years Baldur's Gate 3 was such

7:46

a like home run Like I've never played an

7:48

RPG. I always thought of the What

7:51

is the Elder Scrolls games As

7:53

like the pinnacle of RPGs, but this blows that shit out

7:56

of the water. It really does Game

8:01

it took it took the best from multiple games and

8:03

then it wrote its own shit like I like that

8:05

You can get fucked by a bear in that game.

8:07

It's hilarious. You're talking about hell divers right now And

8:10

just how we are I think in like a real golden

8:13

age of gaming I think some of the games

8:15

I don't like Elden ring, but it's clearly

8:17

a masterpiece. I don't like those Didn't

8:20

they a Zelda game or something like that come

8:22

out that was like crazy? Yeah, I never got

8:24

into it It's tough cuz on on switch Like

8:27

you can you can download an emulator and play

8:30

it in 4k 60 frames, but on switch it's

8:33

They really stretched the tech as far as I

8:35

could go for that handheld It's

8:38

a really cool game, but I'm such a snob

8:40

It's just really hard for me to play a game

8:43

that dips down to 15 frames and I just I

8:45

just can't do it I just really can't do it

8:48

It's really cool the stuff that they did with they

8:50

really like did stuff that no other I'm you

8:53

build It's hard to explain but

8:55

like you you can put gadgets together you

8:57

can build like tanks You can build flying

8:59

device get places and the way that you

9:01

build them is really unique I've just never

9:03

seen another game do that. I'm curious about

9:05

Elden ring though How much time did you

9:07

actually give that game before you gave up

9:09

on it? 25 minutes I

9:11

got I got just butt-fucked by the night

9:14

in the beginning and I was like This

9:17

is this is too much for

9:19

me like I'll I probably I

9:21

probably did about 10 hours And

9:24

then I think you have an old college drive Yeah

9:27

And I did some research to on just

9:29

watching people play and listening to people talk

9:31

about The issues that I had with

9:33

it, which I don't remember quite well. I know I

9:35

had some issues with the difficulty But

9:37

that's just those games. That's just Dark Souls life

9:40

games And and if you're not into

9:42

that you're not into that and I don't think I am

9:44

I tried it in that first boss The way you could

9:46

cheese the giant and Skyrim and it did not play There

9:49

was something about the NPCs and how the NPCs

9:51

worked that I care for I

9:55

do like that traditional you like it much.

9:57

I love took

10:00

a minute because the game is the

10:02

the like some of

10:04

the systems come across as like really rudimentary

10:06

and so they don't they that's a game

10:09

that does not hold your hand at all

10:11

so you you open the doors and you

10:13

and you see limb grave and

10:15

uh the game centers the sort of like

10:17

cinematography on your ultimate goal which is this

10:19

giant erd tree but it doesn't it doesn't

10:22

tell you like where to go it doesn't

10:24

like doesn't tell you any of that there's

10:27

no quest tracker or anything and this is

10:29

culturally a big part of from software games

10:31

is they just it's just part of the deal is

10:33

like you just got to figure it out and for

10:36

me i was used to i'm used to like dummy

10:38

ubisoft games which tells you exactly like what to

10:40

do and exactly what order and it gives you

10:43

these giant quest markers and

10:45

so initially that was frustrating but

10:48

me playing it on a 32 by 9 screen

10:50

like i have this super ultra wide screen and

10:53

visually the game is just so um impressive

10:57

and immersive that it

11:00

makes you want to like discover

11:02

more things in the world and so it i

11:05

had never played a front side never played like dark souls

11:07

before playing the game so like it was rough for the

11:09

first 20 hours 20 hours dude

11:11

it was rough dude this deal required is what scared me off

11:17

of that game so i'm currently bad at games i'm not

11:19

gaming a lot a little little combat with my son but

11:21

but that's it and i'm so i'm

11:23

currently bad taylor plays games kyle's

11:26

good at games and both of them said

11:28

it's too hard we have uh

11:30

like patreon hangouts and stuff with our fans

11:32

and some of them are great at games

11:34

you know those top point one

11:36

percent in call of duty for example like

11:38

they're great at games rust and

11:40

they said it was too hard and it's

11:43

like god darn if they think it's too

11:45

hard what hope do i have scum

11:48

is loving it scum's playing it right now he just

11:50

now got into it like coincidentally they were talking about

11:52

it and he's been like come on kyle download

11:55

that download this game and i'm like dude i downloaded it

11:57

when it fucking came out i bought it Like. An

12:00

hour after it was possible I preordered that

12:02

shit. I don't like it. It's not for

12:04

me. I'll see what else I did. Like

12:07

in my ten hours or whatever of playing it. Like.

12:11

I. Never had any fun like like when

12:13

I'm with with when when I would

12:15

win fights and care like like the

12:17

that the. And that's a problem. Sometimes when

12:19

people try to get me and the games I'm like. Yeah.

12:22

The guys like. Like. Okay, okay. we'll

12:24

get all the credits, will get all the gold, and then

12:26

what will we do? Oh will buy

12:28

a gray monster for our guns. Okay well

12:30

that completely change at what this game is

12:32

about. Will know you'll see of the kill

12:34

the crabs more faster. I don't

12:36

like kill the crabs gas. Ah,

12:39

Well. Didn't like the game for. Didn't

12:42

grab Geller an undergrad to upgrade

12:44

systems they have is like really.

12:47

And it's kind of complicated. like you have

12:49

to get a specific kind of stone to

12:51

upgrade specific weapons and in in in another

12:53

once and you can only get these stones

12:55

in like caves are better than the label

12:57

had it but like is it's it's a

13:00

lot as to so there's a lot for

13:02

will earn a game on booze. The other

13:04

game that was like a remake of an

13:06

older game that we just play the time

13:08

a shit ton of I'm. Like.

13:10

Might like last last year arm. It's

13:12

like the third or fourth sequel if something. was

13:15

it that top down one that I see? Yeah

13:17

yeah yeah yeah yeah it's own opponent more. Know.

13:20

Where him, every. Now. And

13:22

segment on got one kid character and you're running

13:24

around in your. And Vermin

13:26

Tide of Google Games that came out last

13:28

year. Do we get us going to take

13:31

so long as what must depend on? Did

13:33

you go the Clary discussed by for example

13:35

on July Survivor or the On the First

13:37

One Fallen Order. Non never played a

13:40

Star Wars game the way to Annul from back in

13:42

the day. That was so much fun! Conference.

13:44

W but instead July Survivors. A very difficult

13:46

game. it's like very so they call it.

13:48

Sounds like now it's like so dark. Souls

13:50

Dame inspired a whole genre where it's basically

13:52

it's really difficult and when you die, you

13:55

drop in on. Your. points or

13:57

whatever you call me have to go back to that spot

13:59

the get your point And if you die a second

14:01

time, you don't get them, but it's just

14:03

a different kind of gaming experience So you

14:05

have to you have to enjoy the satisfaction

14:07

of dying like 30 times and then when

14:09

you finally beat that boss and that Dopamine

14:11

rush that you get that that's the thing

14:13

that makes you want to keep going. Yeah

14:16

Totally get that with games like I've

14:18

played nothing in the past year other

14:20

than Age of Empires 2 the Definitive

14:23

Edition one and it's no real-time

14:25

strategy real-time top-down strategy so you

14:28

like play as the Mayans or

14:30

Persians or Fucking Incas or

14:32

something and it's war and economy and it's

14:34

so satisfying to go online and beat someone

14:36

in that because it's like chess Where it's

14:38

like, oh, you know, I I

14:40

scouted I predicted what they were doing and

14:42

despite them trying their best to fuck up

14:44

my eco And everything I defended I got

14:46

over him I won and then

14:49

conversely It's that other side where

14:51

like you're just watching as your own base gets wrecked

14:53

by someone way better than you and you're like, oh

14:56

I'm having no fun, but I'm really motivated

14:58

to figure out exactly what I did wrong

15:00

and how this guy got over on me

15:02

It's you know, you have to want to

15:04

know how to win the fight But

15:06

if you just don't care you're gonna

15:08

you're gonna put it down after 30 minutes or an hour.

15:10

So It

15:13

was Diablo 4 I was thinking up Taylor. Here's my

15:15

question though about a game like that. Yeah, that before

15:17

was fun It was very flawed. It's

15:19

not way too easy at the end. And then I think

15:21

that's why we both lost interest I 80-hour

15:25

mark once I get I had a moment when I

15:27

was playing the game at 80 hours in where I

15:29

was like Why am I still doing

15:31

this? Yeah? And

15:33

so I was like, I think I'm good like I got 80 hours now I

15:36

got like my values all right I got to the

15:38

point that I could hold down X and my production

15:40

of corpses is far out It's like you're in a

15:42

ding the amount I did. Yeah, I was a necromancer

15:44

and it was like every all these corpses It's

15:47

just like the easiest thing ever. Yeah, I would see

15:49

like all my friends in my party Like they're microing

15:51

and doing their skills and it's like you guys are

15:53

crazy. Just hold X like Every

15:57

corpse you blow up makes three somehow. It's like

15:59

someone wasn't doing The math in the late game

16:01

here it did play really well with a controller which

16:03

was nice Like if I give it give me the

16:05

option between a controller and a mouse and keyboard I'm

16:07

gonna pick a controller most of the time unless it's

16:09

like a competitive shooter like cod now.

16:12

Yeah Was the like gut Good

16:16

with an aoe. Yeah Is

16:19

one of the most hotkey intensive games out

16:21

there and so I'm I'm pretty

16:23

good on that I would

16:25

say I'm probably not that good at it in

16:27

shooters because I just I prefer RTS as a

16:30

genre Like the only reason I like aoe2 so

16:32

much is because I like that medieval

16:34

flavor the bows and arrows the swords the siege

16:37

Towers and trebuchets if I was like a

16:39

space sci-fi guy, I would be playing Starcraft

16:42

Did you guys play? Baldur's get with a

16:44

controller. Did you use a mouse and keyboard? I

16:47

didn't play much of bald I use mouse and keyboard I

16:49

use mouse and keyboard for everything even when people like no

16:51

you thought he's a chiller trust me No, fuck you Although

16:53

I went back and forth on Elden ring cuz they were

16:55

like Kyle you can use a mouse and keyboard. You're crazy

16:58

That's why it's so hard and this is an up played

17:00

like a shit ton more with

17:02

a controller and hated it So the I was

17:04

like made for controller I got the whole first

17:06

half of my Diablo experience on mouse and mouse

17:08

and keyboard and then my buddy who's a way

17:10

better PC Gamer than me was like why are

17:12

you not using a controller? This is so honed

17:15

for controller switch to a controller It was immediately

17:17

easier way better So

17:19

sometimes I ended up picking up Baldur's gate because

17:21

you guys because you Kyle were pushing it so

17:24

hard the last time And so I was I

17:26

fuck it I literally downloaded it that night and

17:29

I put I think like 70 or 80 hours into

17:31

that game. I had never played Dungeons

17:33

and Dungeons and Dragons before and never had any kind

17:36

of never had any interest in it And so the

17:38

first 10 hours, I'm like getting used to stuff. I'm

17:40

like, I don't know if I want to keep playing

17:42

but then Something happened and

17:44

I turned a corner and I was like dude

17:47

everything you do You've got to

17:49

like level three or five look somewhere in

17:51

there And and and suddenly you get like

17:53

a little it's one of those things

17:55

where you get like your third weapon or your third

17:57

perk Or something's like, oh, it's clicking now. Yeah You

18:00

know, it's... Well, everything

18:02

felt so consequential. Like every decision

18:04

I made, like you

18:06

could tell, I'm like, oh, this would have been drastically

18:08

different had I gone in that direction.

18:12

And dude, that game was like a genre

18:14

defining game. Like it was easy.

18:16

It's going to be a different game of

18:18

last year. Unless they're the greatest dev of all

18:20

time and they make like a Vaultersgate 4, you

18:23

know, like in two years. I bet that's going

18:25

to be a classic game, a decade from now.

18:27

Oh, for sure. Maybe the remastered version,

18:29

people will be playing that shit on their refrigerator.

18:31

The like hour that we played together, Kyle, and

18:33

you were walking me through a bit of it

18:35

and we met that one kind

18:38

of smug elf guy or whatever early on.

18:40

I was like, let's kill this guy. I

18:42

don't care for him one bit. He's being

18:44

rude to me and my compatriots. And so

18:46

we kill them. And you get to just

18:48

do that. Kill them and afterward Kyle's like,

18:50

so Taylor, this guy is wildly

18:53

important to what you need to be doing. And

18:55

I'm like, oh, so we probably shouldn't have done

18:57

that. And you're like, no, no, we really shouldn't

18:59

have done that. I killed him.

19:01

He was the village leader. Now

19:04

they're going to be mentioned. Who's the bear guy's name? Halsin?

19:07

Is that his name? Oh, it's not

19:09

Halsin. It's something like that. Yeah, I

19:11

killed them. I killed them. I had

19:13

no idea that was like an important druid. I

19:16

was telling my chat the next day. I was like, yeah,

19:18

I killed a bear yesterday. And they were like, wait, what?

19:21

Where did you kill the bear? I was like, I was in some prison. They

19:24

were like, you fucking idiot. This

19:26

guy's like really important for Act 2 and 3.

19:28

And like my fiance's playing it. So I

19:32

get to see a little bit about how it played

19:34

out. I'm like, fuck, I should not have killed it.

19:36

And in my first playthrough, I didn't

19:38

realize that I needed Halsin. And so I

19:41

completed the second act successfully. And the whole

19:43

second act is like, this land is poisoned

19:45

by a curse. Halsin is the guy who

19:47

removes the curse. I

19:50

left without removing the curse. You

19:52

can free like a little pixie. And then she'll like

19:54

give you light or whatever. Yeah. It

19:57

sounds like all of us moved on from. First

20:00

person shoot. I mean what do you said? You're

20:02

not playing games anymore. Just a little I'm playing

20:04

with my son We play Mortal Kombat dude. I

20:06

talked about it on PKN a little bit Colin

20:09

has the good controller and I have

20:11

just a stock normal Xbox controller. We're

20:13

playing Mortal Kombat on Xbox cool and I'm

20:17

whooping him. I'm not that good it. This is

20:19

not a clash of the Titans. He's bad and

20:21

I'm I was slightly better and but

20:24

I can throw the fireballs on command and stuff and

20:26

do the fancy kicks a little bit and I'm

20:29

beating I'm beating and beating him because he doesn't block

20:31

he never hecking blocks He just doesn't do it and

20:34

sometimes if he gets ahead I just punish

20:36

him by getting close and hitting him with

20:38

like light punches and he

20:40

can't walk away He can't do anything unless

20:42

you block you just will I will

20:45

pixel by pixel take your health bar down to zero

20:47

And he's like stop kicking me. I'm like

20:50

you didn't stop kicking me, you know, like

20:52

learn to block kid Anyway, it

20:54

turns out the scuff controller he had block is

20:56

right trigger They didn't go down all the way

20:58

and that's why he evolved this noble. Oh, no

21:02

Well, I figured that out and it wasn't really fair

21:04

and I got him a regular controller and he is

21:06

fucking me up now I haven't won since like I've

21:08

won it when you play two out of three. I've

21:10

had a single way. He's going dad block Why

21:17

are you hitting yourself? Why are you just

21:19

fucking me up now? I can't win I'm

21:21

trying to bring it out by AJ and

21:23

you've got it a plus Collin

21:25

into like version of that Croatian discus

21:28

thrower and like 1907 Like

21:31

a lead discus and then got to the Olympics

21:33

and was like, oh I'm

21:35

gonna I'm gonna dominate Believe

21:38

this is what they're letting me throw y'all don't throw Raiden

21:41

and Omni man are the characters that seem to

21:43

do well. Oh, okay. I forgot Omni man was

21:46

in there Yeah, he's new I

21:48

would be I would have to go with one of

21:50

my like fan favorites I might do Rambo or something

21:52

like that or RoboCop probably man I think they're in

21:54

the previous model combat and not the current one. I've

21:57

never given that whole game genre like a

22:01

Fair shake. No, there's no

22:03

need like like that's just getting into like

22:06

we're talking about basketball over here and that's baseball

22:08

That's that's a whole different fucking game Yeah But

22:10

I'm telling you if you got a projector screen

22:12

and you're sitting on the couch with a buddy

22:14

fighting games are about as good As it gets

22:17

if you both talk but like a program

22:19

the stream deck with the combos or you

22:22

need If it's a fair

22:24

fight the Hutchins makes a good point like

22:26

you both but there's like the skill gap

22:28

is wild with fighting games They're doing like

22:30

frame specific block timings and stuff and I've

22:33

always been really impressed with the fighting game

22:35

people like the old-school Street

22:37

fighter like fights, but what's his name? Like

22:40

there was one there was one they were playing Street

22:42

Fighter 3 I can't remember his name But there was

22:44

a thing in Street Fighter 3 where you could do

22:46

like a flurry of attacks and he was pairing each

22:49

Like every single attack and every time he parried the

22:51

attack the crowd that was watching him gets louder and

22:53

louder and louder It's like a really

22:55

classic clip for fighting games Yeah,

22:57

I go I go his name

22:59

but you get c-clip Yeah, you

23:02

gotta be so your reaction time

23:04

just has to be so yeah,

23:06

not your bonus not that good Not

23:09

if your opponent's not very good. Yeah Yeah,

23:13

yeah, you put an aoe2 online

23:15

has Made me realize

23:17

how much you need RTS skill based

23:19

matchmaking. They have it And I don't

23:22

believe her nice Try

23:25

and play an RTS against someone who's even like 10%

23:27

better than you at it and it's like oh I'm

23:29

just being played with I just

23:32

I'm falling in my gold. I just

23:34

have to say I don't know if you guys are aware But

23:37

the the cod devs came out with a statement

23:39

on SBM. Did you guys talk about this yet?

23:41

No? No, we're so far from the cod

23:43

world. I think I heard it if it but I thought it

23:45

was like a month or two ago I just

23:48

want to say and I'm not like, you know

23:50

normally like a Pat myself

23:52

on the back kind of guy, but I was 1000%

23:56

vindicated because they in their little blog

23:59

post Like the

24:01

thing is like I had developers I had

24:03

multiple triple-a developer developers like in my DM

24:05

saying like this is how the Systems like

24:07

kind of generally work and this is what

24:09

we observe in Like

24:11

player behavior and so once I understood the reason

24:13

why I was in the game, which was player

24:16

attention It didn't that's when I was

24:18

like, oh, okay. It doesn't really make any sense. It's like

24:20

they're never gonna get rid of it Yeah,

24:22

they came out and they said the same thing. They said

24:24

the exact same thing that the fall guys people said they

24:26

said the exact same thing that um, I Well

24:30

Destiny people said they they

24:33

said When people that first

24:35

pick up the game get stomped out

24:37

like two games in a row, whatever We're observing that

24:39

a lot of these people are quitting the game and

24:41

they're never picking it back up again And

24:44

and they said like we understand that it

24:46

frustrates a lot of like

24:48

the seasoned pros or whatever But

24:51

this is just something we can't really like bargain

24:53

on because it's just gonna impact things too too

24:55

much But I'm in a position in that like

24:57

if I pick up a game I have tour

24:59

guides who are very good and

25:01

skill based matchmaking ruins it for me you

25:04

know, and it's suddenly it's me and this

25:06

guy who's got pro

25:08

level aim and Now

25:11

my opponents have pro level aim and I'm fucked. Yeah.

25:13

Yeah, I mean it's an imperfect Yeah,

25:16

when I read that I had the same

25:18

reaction you though Yeah, when

25:20

I read that at the same reaction, I was

25:22

like, oh, well, there's no point even discussing skill

25:25

based Matchmaking because they're never

25:27

going to change it because it is about

25:29

player retention. That's all it's about You know,

25:32

it's not about you having fun. It's about

25:34

the most people having fun The

25:36

only frustrating part especially in like a

25:38

1v1 RTS style is like you it's

25:40

so rare that you get to like

25:42

really bully Someone like it's trying to

25:44

make you at like 50% win rate

25:46

always with the elo and whatnot And

25:49

so like it's why like

25:51

Tarkov frustrating to Tarkov

25:53

they don't give a fuck. They're just like throw

25:55

the lines in with the with the with the

25:57

sheep That's

26:00

but you know what it works for them because

26:02

that's they're targeting a really hardcore Audience

26:05

like you kind of have to like punishment a little bit

26:07

if you're into Tarkov like I played a little bit like

26:09

the last Like month I get it. I understand like I'm

26:11

not good. So I ended up stopping I was like I

26:14

just don't want to invest too much into this because it's

26:16

gonna take a lot to get good at the game Huh,

26:20

do you have a hard time learning the maps? Yeah,

26:24

definitely. I mean I even had like maps

26:26

open over here and Like

26:29

I don't I can't even then it was hard

26:31

for me to orient myself vulnerable Vulnerable

26:33

when you're like standing in the woods, right?

26:35

There could be people coming from anywhere Yeah,

26:38

I have to figure out what woods you're in

26:40

compared to the woods and the map Look

26:44

like a T to you on the map Exactly.

26:46

Yeah, I'm like, that looks like a T.

26:49

This looks like a little creek and I think I think Yeah

26:54

Yeah finding the extra rock, you know But that's but

26:57

that's like it's kind of like Elden ring You're kind

26:59

of you're kind of you're kind of appealing to like

27:01

a similar kind of those are the people that buy

27:03

that game and get Good are the ones that are

27:06

gonna be willing to like spend 30 hours just

27:08

getting demolished. Yeah, they start getting their bearing

27:10

Oh, it's fun to find a game like

27:12

that that you don't mind you get the

27:14

smallest in Tarkov for like the first year

27:17

Yeah, like your first year of playing

27:19

Tarkov is hard Maybe at least your

27:21

first white like yeah your first your

27:23

whole first six months for sure It's just a

27:26

shit storm because you know, you start off

27:28

so bad and you make bad habits or whatever I just

27:31

finished I played this most recent wife and thought

27:33

it was their best wife ever. There's so many

27:35

good updates Everybody was saying that

27:37

I Know the people

27:39

that plays Tarkov on my feed were talking about

27:41

how good this wipe was what it what makes

27:43

a good wipe Like I don't understand what you're

27:46

so they completely so they lowered

27:48

the recoil across the board And

27:51

what that roll that back? No,

27:53

and what that did was it made it

27:55

so that all of the it normally

27:57

it requires you to get to like level 40 mid

28:00

40s like level 42. So you've

28:02

got all your traders so that you can

28:04

affordably get the attachments that will make an

28:06

assault rifle, whatever, low recoil

28:08

while still having enough ergonomics that you can sight

28:11

it quickly and run around quickly. That's

28:13

the, that's sort of the game, but they

28:16

lowered the recoil so much that now right

28:18

away you can make it okay. And

28:21

at like level two traders, this is good.

28:24

Like the level two trader M4 suddenly

28:26

was as good as the old meta M4. And

28:29

so it was much more accessible to everybody right away.

28:31

And then they did the snow thing. And

28:33

the snow thing meant that no one hidden bushes

28:35

anymore and that you could spot players very

28:37

easily. Yeah, that's the one I was playing. I was playing

28:39

during this wipe with the snow and then they took the

28:41

snow away and I was like, wait, what happened? Spring

28:44

came. But

28:46

spring came. Yeah. It's

28:49

definitely like the audio is a little weird

28:51

in that game. That's like one thing that

28:54

like, especially when you have the headset

28:56

on, it's like very cracky and what?

28:58

Do other games have vertical audio figured

29:00

out better? Cause like you

29:02

guys speak on each year. How

29:04

does up and down sound different? In

29:07

real life, I can hear if it's from above me or

29:09

below me, but I don't know how. I don't know. I

29:12

don't know. It feels like games have gotten

29:14

worse at that. Like I feel like old cod games with

29:17

the Triton headsets, you know, and more in

29:19

dead silence, you could hear it. Very specific.

29:22

Yeah, it was one of the two. And then

29:24

there's the turtle beach as well. But like a

29:27

new cod, it's actually kind of tricky. And like

29:29

there's this cheese thing with cod now where if

29:31

you're playing on PC, you

29:33

go into your equalizer settings and you

29:35

check a box. That's I think it's

29:37

loudness equalization and it makes

29:39

it so you can hear footsteps like way

29:42

easier, but every sound is kind of,

29:44

so it's like, remember when you got sit rep pro

29:46

and yeah, I'm gonna work for it too. It's

29:49

like that. So like it's the sound is like

29:51

overwhelming. We do that with this podcast. What

29:55

will happen is like one guy's sort of

29:57

naturally soft spoken and another guy's a screamer.

30:00

And we just normalize the way so that people

30:02

can hear. Dude, you

30:04

can automate so much stuff now with content creation

30:06

stuff like Adobe premiere. I don't know if you

30:08

guys use that very much, but you can do

30:10

like auto captions now, which is really cool. Um,

30:13

that's handy. So yeah, cause like generally

30:16

those videos and the short form stuff, they're going

30:18

to do way better if you have captions. And

30:21

with, with Adobe, it's like a, maybe

30:24

like a three minute process and it just automates,

30:26

you may have to go in and change things.

30:28

It may get some words wrong, but it's a

30:31

really easy process now. And now in AI, it's

30:33

like, yeah, Kyle and I've been

30:35

watching this YouTube videos and basically they

30:37

tell sci-fi stories and oftentimes

30:39

they're written on Reddit. So what

30:41

the content creator, if you call them that

30:43

does is you copy paste this big Reddit

30:46

story into something and then has AI read

30:48

it to you. But AI reading isn't like

30:50

it was 10 years ago. It's pretty compelling.

30:52

Pretty good. Yeah. It's pretty 99%. 99%

30:56

every so often they'll pronounce like, you know,

30:58

finish just to like, finish it. But most

31:00

of the time it's good. And,

31:03

um, so now AI is reading you

31:05

the story pretty well. The captions are

31:07

there, which helps too. And they're

31:10

right. 98% of the time also. And

31:13

then they use AI to generate a picture. That's like

31:15

kind of sort of related, like, I

31:17

don't know, human, close enough with blue eyes.

31:19

So you're just watching this thing and it's

31:21

like, man, I bet this video took the

31:24

creator a minute

31:26

and a half of like human time.

31:28

Yeah. Like jick off these processes, have

31:30

an AI generated image, ad generated voice,

31:33

AI generated captions uploaded to YouTube. And

31:35

the videos are getting a few thousand

31:37

views, you know, enough to make like

31:39

$30. And I'm like, shit, you build

31:42

a little library of this stuff and you've got a business.

31:44

Yeah. There's whole content farms of AI

31:46

creators now that are getting, especially with

31:48

YouTube shorts, they're getting tons of traction.

31:50

I don't know if you guys have

31:52

seen, have you guys seen the genre

31:54

of, uh, the

31:57

sub genre of YouTube videos where it's, um,

31:59

bad. Batman helping young men with their

32:01

porn addiction? No, I

32:03

was really hoping he would like to try on girls too, but I

32:06

want to try on their panties. Just

32:12

look up Batman gives you advice

32:14

quitting porn and there's a whole

32:16

genre where it's like

32:18

Gotham City and it's nighttime and

32:20

Batman's kind of perched on top

32:22

of like a gargoyle and

32:25

there's rain and his voice will just be

32:28

like you are strong. You

32:30

can do this. You have value

32:32

and it's like 30 minutes of Batman

32:34

encouraging men to like give up on

32:36

a terrible genre. I want I want

32:39

somebody else to come in. Maybe the

32:41

Joker and help me one million views

32:43

find better porn. Huge. It's

32:45

a huge, huge like

32:47

like a lot of incels kind

32:50

of do like on a stuff like no fat. Is

32:52

it? Is that what this is?

32:54

No fat going. Yeah, but there's been so

32:56

go to Taylor go to YouTube and search

32:58

Batman gives you advice

33:01

to stop porn. Just type something like

33:04

that and it's Batman standing in his

33:06

like costume in the rain in the

33:08

darkness and then AI Batman voice going

33:11

you are strong. Four million

33:13

views Batman about no fat. You

33:17

are an individual not influenced by what

33:19

is around you. You are the rock.

33:21

The river flows around. It does not

33:23

shape you. You shape it. I'm making

33:25

honestly I could see a world where

33:28

if you're so addicted to masturbating you

33:30

fall into watching Batman videos telling you

33:32

not to it probably is good to

33:34

take a break. You know if

33:36

you're fine that's. If

33:39

you have to bring Batman in. If you have

33:41

to bring can you imagine like Kyle if you

33:43

had a problem with eating too many burgers and

33:45

you were watching Peter Griffin motivate you with an

33:47

AI voice. I feel like

33:49

that's insane Kyle but you're on the right

33:51

path and away. No I'm sure

33:53

there's Batman AI. I'm

33:56

sure there's Batman AI. That's

33:59

amazing. I'm sure there's back in AI to

34:01

help with overeating. Like,

34:06

the movie Her was quite prescient. Like

34:11

that was like, uh, you know, it was science

34:14

fiction at the time, but it was, you know,

34:16

really not too far off from where we're currently

34:18

at. Did you guys see that movie Her?

34:20

Spike Jones? Uh, it has Milwaukee

34:23

Phoenix in it, right? Yeah. I

34:26

think we're really close to getting like

34:28

some sort of weird personal like relationship

34:30

bot that's like, where

34:32

they marry the real girl

34:34

with like the best AI,

34:37

um, that what is it? What is

34:39

that? What's the best AI called? I saw they gave them

34:41

all an IQ test. They should give them

34:43

all an EQ test. Is it chat GPT? No,

34:46

it's, it's, it's like fourth or something like

34:48

that or fifth. Um,

34:50

there was something, it's like a man's

34:52

name and then a numeral. There was like

34:54

Carlos two and now three or some

34:56

shit. There was the recent debacle with

34:58

like black Nazis. Did you guys see

35:00

that? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I saw

35:02

it. And then right. Google's AI. Oh

35:05

man. They yanked it. Like they're like, okay, we're going

35:07

to put this on the shelf for a little. Yeah,

35:10

there was. So I forget who's

35:12

AI was before that it might've been chat GPT,

35:14

but they sort of didn't do well quite well

35:16

enough. Where if you were

35:18

to say like describe or make a picture of

35:20

a burglar, like they'd all be black and make

35:22

a picture of an, uh, it

35:24

wasn't efficient. It was like, uh, I

35:27

don't know a productive person and they're

35:29

all like white guys in business suits. And,

35:32

uh, they're like, Oh, this is coming off

35:34

kind of race. If the burglars are back

35:36

and black and productive people are white guys

35:38

in business suits. And then of course, Google went

35:40

too far the other way where they were, show

35:42

me a founding father, it's like a black guy

35:44

or something. Well, all the AI is like

35:46

woke as fuck. I can't, they can't like

35:48

grok too. Like there was a, there was

35:50

a period where on Musk one, right? Yeah.

35:52

But there was a period where like right,

35:54

right wing, um, like, uh,

35:56

media pundits were asking

35:59

grok. Uh, are, are am

36:01

I racist or like, you know, like, let's say

36:03

it was Tim pool. So temple would go like,

36:05

is Tim pool racist? And then Grock would be

36:07

like, wow, that's a good question. And like the,

36:10

uh, Elon's AI was like calling all of these

36:12

people racist. And so they were getting pissed

36:14

at him. Um, yeah,

36:16

I don't know. We'll see how, I mean, I think Grock

36:18

only. Only, um, takes data

36:20

from Twitter. I could be wrong. Um,

36:23

so I, I don't know. How are

36:25

most of them scrubbing from? Like,

36:29

I think it's everything. I think it's not just the

36:31

whole internet. Like I think anything public. Do

36:34

you guys see Congress voted to ban

36:36

Tik TOK? Let's go. Which

36:39

part of Congress, how much of Congress house.

36:43

And I think they got 80% of the votes. Yeah.

36:48

Which is bananas. Let me talk about that a

36:50

little bit because like, dude,

36:52

the Republican lit house can't approve

36:55

like a, basically a Republican border immigration

36:57

bill. I can't recall in my life.

36:59

I'm sure it happens, but like the

37:02

last time any notable

37:04

legislation got 80% of the vote, 9 11

37:06

shit. Okay.

37:09

Okay. But usually they get like, it's

37:11

giving money to Israel, the three

37:13

defectors to come over something like

37:15

that. And, uh, you know, if

37:18

it's bipartisan, it's 49 Democrats

37:21

and four Republicans or something like that. And

37:23

that's what they call bipartisan. 80%

37:25

of people agreed to get rid of Tik TOK. And

37:28

that's ridiculous. And Biden said he'd sign

37:30

it like last week. Biden said he

37:32

would sign it. Yeah. So it's not

37:34

technically like a strict ban. It's they

37:36

want to divest. They want to talk

37:39

to divest themselves of their, of

37:41

their Chinese, uh, ownership.

37:44

We had she fair. That's exactly right. And

37:46

what's, what that means is that the

37:48

owners of Tik TOK will have two options.

37:50

One allow their product to be now be

37:53

worth billions of dollars less or

37:55

be sell their product to someone else.

37:57

Let the servers be somewhere else. So

38:00

they're going to sell knowing that they're probably going to

38:02

sell. How do you invest with it? Do

38:04

you invest in their competitors or

38:07

or do you bet against them in the future? Shit

38:11

I feel like we've almost every social

38:14

platform the move is not

38:16

to invest like Really,

38:19

we could invest in my space president's about to

38:21

take a bite out of their fucking It's

38:24

already like the boomerville of you

38:26

know, it was Facebook is what

38:28

now marketplace some jackass boomers talking

38:30

about Trump and Meta,

38:33

you know a little like I

38:36

think Facebook is still it's replaced every forum

38:38

So if you're in the fish tanks motorcycles,

38:40

there's that the other thing you find yourself

38:42

on Facebook to find people with common interests.

38:44

Sure But

38:49

Facebook is like moving into the rearview

38:51

mirror right Some day we

38:53

watch in the future if tick tick

38:55

tock doesn't doesn't doesn't do it anymore

38:59

Exactly. I guess it was even a

39:01

new shin Steve Mnuchin is trying to

39:03

put some funding together to buy That

39:07

was Trump that was Trump's Treasury

39:09

secretary and he also like who's a

39:11

movie producer he produced like Batman v.

39:13

Superman and shit I was against this

39:16

Trump says leave tick tock alone because

39:18

he met with this billionaire investor of

39:20

tick tock and reversed his position He's

39:22

for sale and now Trump

39:24

is trying to protect tick tock, which is

39:26

a reversal. Yeah, I'd rather see tick tock

39:28

not get banned Like

39:30

it's better to get banned more out there. It

39:33

could be though. You know Action

39:37

I just told you what's up. But if the topic

39:39

is what would we want? I Think

39:42

I'm with Taylor. I don't understand the

39:44

danger. Okay. Well, what China's gonna figure

39:46

out that I think Fucking

39:48

shorts are funny. Yeah a bunch of people can

39:51

say stuff. No, I mean like oh, actually No,

39:53

I think a lot of the pundits on the

39:55

on the other side of this would say that

39:57

China intentionally runs different algorithms Here than at home

40:00

Because they're trying to brain rot America

40:02

meanwhile if you look at tiktok in

40:04

their country You might learn how

40:06

to do your geometry homework better here You'll watch

40:09

you'll watch divisive things you'll watch like race

40:11

baiting things You'll watch all sorts of politically

40:13

charged stuff that that really make the country

40:16

less cohesive When it's the most popular app

40:18

on everybody's fucking phone. I'm not gonna watch

40:20

your geometry app Kyle. You can't make me

40:22

I'll find a way to braid rot somewhere

40:24

else Listen to this, Kyle wants you to

40:27

be doing fucking math You want to make

40:29

me nap on your phone? My

40:31

tiktok would be the best of both worlds You

40:33

figure out the circumference of titties Alright,

40:35

why would I need you

40:38

to measure cup sizes with geometry?

40:40

You're winning me over Okay, but

40:42

do everybody here would I assume

40:44

everybody here would agree that I

40:47

assume everybody here would agree that China is an

40:49

adversarial country, right? Yeah, there are Yeah,

40:54

is there is there no

40:56

concern amongst any of you guys that

40:58

an adversarial country could send 200

41:01

million Americans a push notification anytime they want on

41:03

an app that they ban in their country Like

41:06

you can't go on tiktok in China. You need

41:08

the Chinese I hear your point, but I have a

41:10

counter restricting What if I'm

41:12

gonna say that having open trade deals

41:14

is critically important with your adversarial countries

41:16

The thing that prevents people from going

41:19

to war is it ruins business And

41:22

if you have like, I don't know trade

41:24

going back and forth like US and China does that

41:26

will stop wars Well, we keep trading

41:29

We'll make sure it doesn't happen I'm gonna keep

41:31

buying the fucking TV and the tables and the

41:33

lumber and their bad steel But

41:36

they don't get to run their propaganda arm anymore That's what

41:38

I want That's the point It's

41:42

just what do you prioritize more? Are you more afraid

41:44

of China sending a push notification to people? Or

41:47

prioritize higher which I would

41:49

like the ability of Americans to use

41:51

an app that they want and have

41:54

speech on it The problem is that

41:56

it's asymmetrical. So without this ban you

41:58

have America allowing

42:01

this company with a substantial

42:03

Chinese Communist Party interest

42:06

to operate freely in the United States

42:08

to tune their algorithm. Now I'm not

42:10

alleging like that they're deliberately

42:13

tuning their algorithm, but I'm just saying like

42:15

it's not unfathomable. We do it to them.

42:17

No, but we don't though because they don't

42:19

allow, you can't go on Twitter in China,

42:22

you can't go on Facebook in China. No,

42:24

I'm not talking about that specific. Trump allowed

42:26

a CIA operation starting the

42:28

second year of his term that was this

42:30

vast propaganda

42:34

influencing campaign on their internet to destabilize

42:36

them and make their government look bad

42:38

in their people's eyes. If you don't

42:40

think they're doing the exact same thing,

42:42

but they don't need to with

42:44

TikTok, I mean why wouldn't they? I

42:47

guess that wouldn't shock me. Why are you doing

42:49

this? Trump's CIA? I think it's Reuters. Trump's

42:54

routers. I was on routers. Yeah. I don't

42:56

even rather

43:02

see them not ban a lot

43:04

of Americans speak on. Oh,

43:06

this just came out today actually.

43:09

Trump launched CIA covert influence operation against

43:11

China. That's interesting. I'm gonna look into

43:13

that later. But I mean like do

43:15

you guys understand just kind of broadly

43:17

why there would be serious concerns? Like

43:20

if you were looking

43:22

to say destabilize Western

43:24

nations by undermining faith

43:26

in institutions and democracy

43:29

broadly, you

43:31

can see how having a substantial

43:33

interest in a major social media platform,

43:35

the number one social media platform for

43:38

young people in this country, you could see

43:40

how that could be like that could be

43:43

easily problematic and huge way.

43:45

I really acknowledge your concerns and agree

43:47

that they're valid. I still

43:50

have a hard time getting past this

43:52

foundational idea that trade between

43:54

nations prevents war. What

43:56

percentage of trade is TikTok though, Woody? I

43:58

don't think it's any. by these right

44:00

first we banned TikTok and they stopped

44:03

the sale of iPhones and then we

44:05

retaliate by doing something else and then

44:07

suddenly they're not letting fords be sold

44:09

in China because we're going

44:11

to track their movements and please that's

44:13

the best trade ever both of them

44:15

we don't get to sell either of

44:17

those F-150s how many

44:19

F-4s do they import it cannot be many I get

44:22

that it's not a big deal I'm trying to come

44:24

up with examples where you know bit by bit trade

44:26

gets eroded away. I bet if you look at that

44:28

example you would find tariffs on our stuff

44:30

and yet peace remains you know

44:32

what I mean like I feel like you can't- They're

44:35

just different than bans. I feel like it's

44:37

a tough economic policy a trade

44:39

policy and this is no

44:41

different we're not telling them we're confiscating TikTok

44:44

which is what we probably should do we

44:46

should fucking just take it from them

44:48

because why not that's what we do we're saying

44:50

hey you gotta divest that's not cool tell yourself-

44:53

Even bricks is China is China the yeah

44:56

you're the sea yeah so I

44:58

mean I don't know like I I can

45:00

I can understand if you're like

45:02

a young person and TikTok's your main thing and and

45:05

I do understand kind of like being wary

45:07

of giving government too much control over social media

45:09

platforms it is a bit different because it's not

45:11

like it's not like

45:14

the United States government has the same level

45:16

of influence over like Twitter and Facebook then

45:18

China has over TikTok or China has over

45:21

their own social media platforms like the Twitter

45:23

files what did they reveal ultimately I think

45:25

they definitely do they lean on social media

45:27

companies all the time not it's not I

45:30

don't think it's fair to say that's comparable

45:33

to communist China like in communist China you

45:35

cannot be a TikTok influencer and like here

45:37

in the United States half

45:39

of TikTok is people criticizing the United

45:42

States you can't do that yeah in

45:44

China you can't you can't like make

45:46

a video criticizing Xi Jinping or you

45:49

know Chinese like half

45:51

of Twitter is people criticizing United

45:53

States yeah you can you

45:55

can be like Hassan piker and make

45:57

millions of dollars selling America bad too

46:00

like 18 year olds and you can do that.

46:02

And you can be promoted to the front of

46:04

Twitch and stuff like that. Every day. But

46:08

you cannot do that in Russia, you cannot do that

46:10

in China. So I do think like when

46:12

we look at like the Twitter files, what did

46:14

we see? We saw like government requests, were

46:17

they requests or they were like government requests

46:20

to like, hey, we think this

46:22

post is problematic or whatever. And what we found out

46:24

was like 75% of the time Twitter was

46:27

saying no, 25% of the time they were doing

46:29

it and it had to do with like COVID

46:31

policy and election disinformation. Like the Trump administration, for

46:33

example, asked Twitter to take

46:35

down a Chrissy Tweed and tweet that called them a

46:37

pussy ass bitch. Like that pretty

46:40

mean. And that's what you mean. They

46:42

said that one up in China. I

46:46

don't even know. They don't do requests. They

46:48

just, they just take that shit down. So

46:50

there's a huge, I think difference. Wait, who's

46:52

called a pussy ass bitch from Trump?

46:55

Chrissy, Chrissy Teigen called them a pussy ass bitch

46:57

and the administration reached out to, there's like an

46:59

email or the administration reached out to Twitter. They

47:01

asked them. Some of the stuff

47:04

that they took down in the last election

47:06

cycle violated Twitter's policies like against porn and

47:08

stuff like that. Did they

47:10

have policies against porn? They have policies against revenge.

47:14

Revenge porn. Yeah. Oh,

47:16

okay. Well, that's not porn then. That's just, that's

47:18

something else. They shouldn't call it. It's my porn hat.

47:20

With the TikTok thing though, like don't you, like

47:23

you want Americans to be able to,

47:25

maybe they can't share certain beliefs on

47:27

Facebook that they're allowed to on TikTok.

47:31

Well, dissent is really important I think for

47:33

any, especially for liberal democracy. It's

47:35

like the bedrock. It's like the first amendment, like

47:38

the constitutional right to redress grievance

47:40

against your government. That's obviously like

47:42

you don't want to stifle that.

47:45

I don't know if TikTok, like I wouldn't

47:48

consider TikTok in the same category as like

47:50

Trump or Twitter or Facebook. You can do

47:52

that on Twitter. You can do that

47:54

on Twitter. You can criticize the government. You can do whatever the

47:56

fuck you want essentially. What they're

47:58

asking TikTok to do will not. Stifle

48:01

tiktok's free speech it will ensure that

48:03

that maybe the CCP isn't writing the

48:05

algorithm there though That's

48:07

all they're going for These

48:10

are not reliable partners For

48:12

the for like Western interests like the Chinese

48:15

Communist Party have a 50 year a hundred

48:17

year plan in terms of global I'm

48:19

going well for him lately though. It's been one

48:21

real estate. Yeah, fuck them up They had like

48:23

a big old real estate bubble over there and

48:25

it's pretty bad right now, but I don't think

48:27

they're over Covid Are

48:29

they not? I know it And

48:33

I think soon did it settle? I'm sorry, and

48:35

I think economically as well and also I know

48:37

this stuff That's going on with the Houthis Apparently

48:40

that that really doesn't bother

48:42

the Israelis what it bothers is maybe

48:44

a few Israeli oligarchs who own shipping

48:47

companies It's a little like oh no,

48:49

but if we're not just going after Israeli

48:52

ships They're going after anybody who shows up

48:54

in there exactly and that's why I'm not

48:56

in Europe in China Because really look where

48:58

the truth that's the trade between where trade

49:01

between Europe and China goes through not

49:03

a hugely important shipping lane Yeah

49:05

for China. I think the liqueur party has been

49:08

pretty like in Europe to poorly spoken about the

49:10

Houthis, right? Like it's

49:12

not well. Yeah, I mean like really bureaucrats like

49:14

it's the main party in power. No, yeah Wow

49:17

with it. Well the Houthis are

49:20

China's both. I agree with these. I like Houthis

49:24

Wow, I mean Iran like the Houthis in Iran

49:26

They're like, you know like this by the North

49:29

Korea loves them I feel like Hamas very

49:31

openly at this point acknowledged

49:33

that they in part did what

49:35

they did on October 7th because they were trying

49:37

to draw in Outside forces

49:40

and turn it into a region

49:42

a larger regional Hezbollah and more

49:44

Iranian proxies Whoever

49:46

runs Hezbollah, that's a smart cookie as

49:48

Trump would say because he didn't do

49:51

shit You know,

49:53

you know all his like sex Well,

49:56

okay, I'm sure they financed them and they and

49:58

they influenced them but whoever the the

50:00

guy who flies the

50:03

Hezbollah flag, not an Iranian flag, that guy

50:05

who's in charge of it decided

50:07

not to get involved after. There

50:10

was some fighting in the northern, like southern Lebanon

50:12

and northern Israel, but they

50:14

certainly didn't, Hamas was not

50:17

successful ultimately in turning it

50:19

into something much bigger. I

50:21

guess the idea is that for

50:23

the Abrahamic Accords and the normalization

50:26

between Saudi Arabia and Israel, Hamas

50:28

felt like, okay, we

50:31

need to pop the fuck off because it's kind of now

50:33

or never. But

50:35

it fucking sucks because now they're

50:39

just so much further away from a Palestinian

50:41

state. And it's not like

50:43

the Palestinian people in Gaza have

50:45

a say in terms of like

50:47

military operations. Yeah, I haven't

50:49

heard you getting destroyed every single day.

50:52

Somebody challenged me the other day to solve that thing. It took

50:54

me 15 minutes, solve the

50:57

whole fucking thing. So

51:00

a two state solution is going to be

51:02

non-negotiable. But here's the thing. Here's

51:04

what will make everybody happy. You know that maybe

51:07

it's off the coast of the UK, they call it Sealand

51:09

or something. It's like the world's smallest country. They just got

51:11

a little platform out there. That's

51:14

where the Palestinians go. And look, here's

51:16

the thing. We just, we, the United

51:18

States, just sent a boat out of

51:20

Virginia and they're heading to, you would

51:22

guess it, Israeli waters. They're

51:24

going to build them a pier so that

51:26

we can more readily give them things. I

51:29

think we should, I think it should be

51:31

left out to chance entirely. A couple of

51:33

oil rig platforms out there. When

51:36

you say leave it up to chance, if like,

51:39

so the current year, the current

51:41

like pressure that the Biden administration and

51:43

other international forces are putting on Israel

51:45

is to not permanently

51:48

occupy Gaza. So like if Trump wins

51:50

in 2024, for example, it's pretty obvious

51:52

that he's going to give Netanyahu like

51:55

the full green light, just to annex

51:58

Gaza. And then it's like, I don't know. Maybe Egypt

52:00

is just forced to take in refugees like I

52:02

don't know how that's gonna They won't know it

52:04

would be Europe that would be forced to take

52:07

them or us from all right because Egypt has

52:09

already stated They're not going to take in no

52:11

sin to fight in Ukraine That's how I was

52:13

gonna say for everyone coin flip then all the

52:15

head Jews and the head Palestinians have to be

52:17

like whatever The result of this is we will

52:20

abide Loser the coin flip

52:22

their whole group goes to Madagascar It

52:24

has to be a two-state solution

52:26

but Netanyahu has to be ousted

52:29

democratically and Hamas They

52:31

can't they can't remain in power. There's just that's

52:33

just not tenable. I don't think Do

52:36

you guys think like I don't know where you guys do you guys think?

52:40

It's obviously a really complicated issue But like

52:42

do you think that some level of force

52:44

is justified in the pursuit of like disarming

52:46

Hamas? Oh, I think

52:48

that it's I think the amount of force

52:50

that is really showing is Absurd

52:54

and that they are waging a

52:56

destructive campaign Against the Palestinian

52:58

people right now and that's

53:00

clear by the video evidence not

53:03

it's it's absurd. So yeah Monger

53:11

I don't think that we're gonna solve

53:13

an issue an ethnic white nationalist thousand

53:15

years old And so I don't want

53:17

to be involved with Israel whatsoever or

53:19

with Palestine It's not our business. It

53:22

doesn't help us to be involved. It makes

53:24

us global foes the world over It's

53:26

negative it costs a $11 and it's why 9-11 happened Taylor's

53:32

pretty consistently isolationist. Where is yeah,

53:34

I prefer the hypocrite route and

53:36

choose battle by battle. Yeah Because

53:44

I'm the guy that likes the United

53:46

States to have its fingers and all

53:48

the pies I look when I see

53:51

those specific fleets start start sailing out

53:53

spreading out taking control of entire regions

53:55

When I watch those YouTube videos about how much fire

53:57

power like this this boat or that boat have

54:00

I like that shit. I like that we

54:02

that the world runs on dollars and And

54:05

people can pretend like they're gonna switch to something else all

54:07

they won't want they won't They want

54:09

a lot of people call that like American imperialism

54:12

like I don't know If you guys

54:14

have ever seen like that Have

54:16

you guys seen the bullshit? I

54:19

haven't seen the bullshit man. There's a bullshit

54:21

map that goes around online where it's like

54:23

an American flag where like every American Military

54:27

bases in the world and except it's like

54:29

clearly bullshit because they have like bases in

54:31

Iran stuff. It's like wait but

54:33

um Same

54:38

way for a really long time But the

54:41

only country I think that doesn't want

54:43

American bases in their country is Cuba

54:45

I think and then everybody else like

54:47

we work closely with the Somalian government

54:49

to like help them deal with their

54:51

problem with terrorism and like there's no country

54:54

that like is pissed that America

54:56

has a military base like in their backyard. Just

54:58

Haiti have any they could use a few I

55:00

mean Russia doesn't like it They keep asking but

55:02

we keep saying no You're

55:05

not blaming NATO for the Russian

55:08

invasion. Are you? No,

55:10

I was saying that that's why Russia justified it

55:14

Is they're saying that we Putin said we

55:16

don't want military bases in our border at

55:18

you couldn't Ukraine and then we're

55:21

like we're gonna do It and well, they

55:23

all know it's like well fuck you're liberating

55:25

Ukraine from the Nazis that run them Yeah,

55:27

I'm not defending any Russia and like that's

55:29

their rationalization for like Putin did say years

55:31

ago Like I'm gonna do something if you

55:33

try to do that my goal like to

55:35

discredit Russia because I think the reality is

55:37

nothing What the reality

55:39

is and what they say are completely unrelated

55:41

the real reason they took Ukraine is they

55:43

wanted the land They wanted the breadbasket. They

55:46

wanted the warm water. He was surprisingly transparent

55:48

in his cut in his interview with Tucker

55:50

Carlson Like he was very surprisingly transparent where

55:52

he just pretty much came out and said

55:54

like yeah But we have a historical right

55:56

to this land. Yeah, that guy is obsessed

55:58

with Russian history Don't

56:01

date with him about 800 leader. Why is that? I

56:04

don't know. I don't know why that's

56:06

surprising to anybody It's it would be

56:08

surprising to me if Biden couldn't well

56:11

if younger Biden couldn't regale you about

56:13

the founding fathers in great length You

56:16

know, I mean, we get our president

56:18

rising because I start existing presidents. That

56:20

would be so funny It's you can't

56:22

because it's not like your wheelhouse It's

56:25

not the world that you've existed in

56:27

for 45 years for him But

56:30

it'd be like you not knowing about chlorination

56:32

and versus saltwater pools or some shit, right?

56:34

Right like like You

56:37

know, yeah, well the

56:39

founding father of the saltwater pool Born

56:43

from humble beginnings in East Pennsylvania like like you

56:45

probably know that kind of shit Putin

56:48

had a very um Very interesting

56:50

take on history that a point where

56:52

he was talking about Poland Like he

56:54

basically was like well Poland basically forced

56:56

the Nazis in the gym and the

56:58

Russians to come in and carve up

57:01

the country And so he's um, he's

57:03

very like openly said that the biggest

57:05

political catastrophe of the 20th century was

57:07

the disillusionment of the Soviet

57:09

Union like it's pretty clear like what

57:11

his goals are. I don't know Through

57:14

their try at democracy and like I didn't

57:16

so that's when that's like when I was

57:18

born I was like to when that shit

57:21

was going down or something like that So

57:23

it's not something I knew a lot about but I've

57:25

been trying to learn more about it And I saw

57:27

an interesting thing last night and they were they were

57:29

showing the the the parallels They're like

57:31

this is what was happening in Russia and like

57:33

I don't know 92 or 93 or

57:36

something like it was poverty and

57:38

you know Russia always looks kind of shitty to

57:40

be in because it's all cold and they don't

57:43

dress well for it You would think they'd have

57:45

like we all we all like white people here

57:47

wear ski gear and it's like man I bet

57:49

that's $800 for the shit he's wearing but there

57:51

they just put a lot of layers I got

57:53

those my bush go my bush go look and

57:55

then they they're like like meanwhile They

57:57

weren't watching that old Soviet TV anymore

57:59

because Western media was here now. This

58:02

is what was on their TV. And it's like

58:04

Pam Anderson, Baywatch. Every American

58:06

TV show back then, it was like a

58:09

slick dude and a Lamborghini. Lamborghini

58:11

might be able to talk and

58:13

like beautiful women. It's a big titty

58:15

broad. Yeah, on a tropical beach. You

58:18

had Gorbachev in fucking McDonald's commercials. It

58:20

was just like nothing could have more

58:23

perfectly signified the end of

58:25

the communist project than Gorbachev

58:27

in a fucking McDonald's commercial.

58:29

These eggs aren't all rotten.

58:33

Media showing what America is, it was eye opening

58:35

to me to learn that all

58:37

the homes and apartments that we show on our

58:39

television are ginormous. Friends is a great example, right?

58:41

Yeah, it would have been like a $5,000 a

58:43

month apartment. Yeah,

58:45

more now I mean. Back then? Yeah, yeah,

58:47

back then, sure. But only being

58:49

like normal shows that aren't meant, like a

58:52

middle-class family, Harry and the Henderson's, right, that

58:54

big foot movie. You

58:57

guys saw that? Yeah, that house was dope.

59:00

Home Alone. Home Alone, right? Home Alone, it

59:02

was flush. It turns out there's a reason for

59:04

that and it's that it takes space to film.

59:06

You want the cameras like 18 feet away from

59:09

the actors. Yeah. So you can't

59:11

film in a normal sized room, in a normal

59:13

sized kitchen. You have to have a really big

59:15

one and it makes America look super wealthy. Yeah,

59:18

makes sense. Yeah, you don't want to film someone that's

59:20

in depressing hovel. You know, you obviously

59:22

wanted to have a big, nice house for Home

59:24

Alone, you know, because you're putting the traps and

59:26

it's the central thing. He never leaves really, except

59:28

for that grocery store trip. And they were

59:30

supposed to be rich. Like it was clear watching

59:33

that in the 90s, like these people are fucking

59:35

loaded. He was flying his family, including cousins and

59:37

uncles and aunts to France. Yeah. Like

59:39

on a mark. So many people, he lost his

59:41

son. Yeah, that's a well. I mean, I

59:43

don't know if I didn't pick up on the well. That's

59:46

what they were. Yeah, they were the 1%. It's

59:48

extreme wealth. I mean, I think the house was $825,000 then. You

59:52

know what I mean? Like, yeah,

59:54

no wonder Harry and Marv were scoping it out. Like,

59:57

that's the place to fucking be. That's

1:00:00

the north shore of Chicago. I

1:00:03

think it was like the bling, but two old

1:00:05

dudes instead. Yeah. That was in my top top

1:00:07

three movies all time until I was like 10.

1:00:10

Like I watched that shit over and over and

1:00:12

over. I wanted my house to get broken into

1:00:14

so bad. I wanted it to sell

1:00:16

bad. I wanted to be Kevin Macau's. I wanted to

1:00:18

be in his position because you know, we had guns

1:00:20

in our house and I knew how to use them.

1:00:22

Would you have pitched out and called the police because

1:00:24

Kevin could have called the police at any time, but

1:00:26

he's a warrior. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's

1:00:28

not. Yeah. He's not. Dark. He's like,

1:00:30

I want to call this myself. I'm an American.

1:00:33

He's not a grab motherfuckers. They call 911. There's

1:00:36

a nine year old there. Marvels

1:00:39

and a fucking pet spider. That's

1:00:42

all you need to foil their sinister. Watch.

1:00:45

You should watch Fargo season five. If you're into home

1:00:47

alone, cause they do kind of like a little, Oh

1:00:50

shit. I didn't know Fargo season kept

1:00:52

going. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Dude.

1:00:54

Fargo rock season was good. I thought too.

1:00:56

I love. Really good. And then it just

1:00:58

fell off my radar. They must have taken a

1:01:00

break. Dude, they don't know.

1:01:03

The new season is like arguably the

1:01:05

best. It's like John Ham plays this

1:01:07

like libertarian sheriff with nipple rings. And,

1:01:09

um, um, I'm

1:01:12

saying it's infrequent. I feel like I

1:01:14

love Fargo seven years ago. And you're

1:01:16

telling me you're on season five now.

1:01:18

It's still going. Three, seven years ago.

1:01:20

It's still going. And it's still incredible.

1:01:22

It's very genuine. I believe one of

1:01:24

the best shows. Are you guys watching

1:01:26

Shogun by the way? Yeah. That's right.

1:01:29

Bro. So show is

1:01:31

watching Chernobyl. I stand by that. You're

1:01:33

right about that. I, well, I'd have to think harder

1:01:36

on that one because that's been quite a lot of

1:01:38

time and some shows. But,

1:01:41

um, Shogun is a top

1:01:43

1% show. It gets up to

1:01:45

there. It's a triple a title. If you want to

1:01:47

put it that way, it's one of the, the, the

1:01:50

few, um, products

1:01:52

that it's like, Oh man, this is so good. And

1:01:55

I keep saying it, but I don't see a

1:01:57

lot of CGI. I see a lot of real

1:01:59

question. They're in the woods. They're in

1:02:01

they're using practical effects. They're on real boats It

1:02:03

looks like those look like real boats. They're on

1:02:05

to me and if they weren't then

1:02:08

they both look DJI to me Yeah

1:02:13

I Thought the boats

1:02:16

were real man They look all right not when they're

1:02:18

in there like the waves in the storm But when

1:02:20

they're on the boat just sailing around that ain't real

1:02:22

maybe the little bugs I'm

1:02:24

very good. Are you telling me that pirate ship?

1:02:26

I'm gonna look this it was really I Was

1:02:31

it just a show guns stay in?

1:02:34

Japanese the whole time because I am reading

1:02:36

a book on my television I've just watched

1:02:38

the first episode and 90% of the dialogue

1:02:42

Like it goes back and forth. It's mostly

1:02:44

Japanese. I am sure about a guy who

1:02:47

doesn't speak well you

1:02:49

assholes No,

1:02:51

not a big one I'm gonna go

1:02:54

to the giant shit. Yes real here.

1:02:56

I'll read it The Shogun

1:02:58

ship is not a real pirate ship

1:03:00

But an authentic replica of an oriental

1:03:02

sailing ship the ship was wow for

1:03:04

an Arab sheep and is used for

1:03:06

whale watching and sightseeing Cruises, okay,

1:03:08

that's pretty cool. All right, I'll boat

1:03:12

Real I bet those swords are real like

1:03:14

when he he pulled a sword out

1:03:16

I'm not I'm gonna spoil anything for Woody because he's

1:03:18

behind but a guy pulls a sword out and you

1:03:20

could see that They've used the clay to harden the

1:03:22

edge and everything. I'm like, I bet that's a real

1:03:25

fucking sword Obviously not when they're waving them around and

1:03:27

shit those cannons looked right like the right period they

1:03:29

had those the the the

1:03:31

twisted Right anybody

1:03:34

to answer Woody's question. There are a lot of

1:03:36

subtitles, but there are fewer than there should

1:03:38

be because Technically whenever

1:03:40

we hear English which becomes more

1:03:42

and more as the English character

1:03:45

Sort of coalesces with the main group

1:03:47

of Japanese characters He's

1:03:50

speaking Portuguese, he's not speaking right but they

1:03:52

make us hear English So how

1:03:55

awful would that be if they like if

1:03:57

he then switch to Portuguese? And

1:04:00

put input English subtitles there. I'd still watch

1:04:02

it. It's still a great show. It's like

1:04:04

the movie Valkyrie when they're supposed to be

1:04:06

speaking German the whole time. And, uh, they

1:04:08

kind of did an interesting way of like,

1:04:10

um, so like the movie opens with

1:04:12

Tom Cruise narrating in German and then it kind

1:04:15

of slowly like switches to English. So like that

1:04:17

was their way of communicating that. But yeah,

1:04:19

I really don't mind. I

1:04:22

don't mind them. And here's what it does. It forces

1:04:24

you to stay locked in with a show. I, I

1:04:27

phone can't be out, you know, I'm paying

1:04:29

attention to it a hundred percent. And,

1:04:31

and I want to though, because it is

1:04:34

such a high quality show. I won't watch

1:04:36

subtitles on garbage. I won't watch some Scandinavian

1:04:38

show that's that's that shit. And I've found

1:04:40

a lot of them cause I like Scandinavian

1:04:42

TV, but, but I

1:04:44

can't suffer through it if it's a shit product,

1:04:46

but this is so good. All these actors are

1:04:48

excellent. All those women are beautiful. A lot of

1:04:50

them are, there's some nudity, there's some sex, there's

1:04:52

some intrigue. Um, I find the,

1:04:55

the main white guy to be very

1:04:57

interesting. I'm the main Japanese guy I'm

1:05:00

in love with. I love how like sneaky

1:05:02

he is. Um, Lord

1:05:04

Toranaga. Yeah. Fucking great. The actor,

1:05:06

the actor said he, the only way he would agree

1:05:09

to come onto the project is if it was

1:05:11

like very authentic to Japanese culture. So I'm just,

1:05:13

I'm just, I'm just trusting that everything I see

1:05:15

is a, yeah. But yeah, no, you mentioned like

1:05:17

the footwear, just like little kind of details where

1:05:19

it's like this, like the ladies walk with those

1:05:22

little tiny steps. Yeah. Everything's very

1:05:24

formal. A lot of pomp and circumstance to

1:05:26

everything, but it's also a bit muted to

1:05:28

show on the difference in their culture. I

1:05:31

it's shocking that the sort of

1:05:33

feudalism, the feudalist sort of

1:05:35

like honor based culture and society that they're

1:05:37

in and how intense it is where the

1:05:40

one character speaks out of turn, they're having a

1:05:42

big meeting. All the big wigs are talking, but

1:05:44

we got our underlings behind us both

1:05:47

as an audience, but also

1:05:49

as a security force, like, you

1:05:51

know, and we're all armed.

1:05:53

And somebody insults one of the

1:05:56

head guys, the one head guy insults another head guy.

1:05:58

And you know, you can do that. both the same level but

1:06:00

then the guy's underling speaks up,

1:06:03

oh you have insulted my master why

1:06:05

we move on? But then he realizes

1:06:07

he's yelled like in this very formal

1:06:09

setting at someone who's like his boss,

1:06:11

his boss, his boss and

1:06:14

he's like, oh I am so sorry

1:06:16

for my disorable animal conduct. I offer my

1:06:18

own life and to end my bloodline and

1:06:20

they're like, I

1:06:22

guess that'll do. And then it moves along

1:06:24

and I was like, wait,

1:06:27

he's gonna kill himself and his kid? Ah,

1:06:29

they won't do that. They won't do that. Like I

1:06:31

thought for sure that the war would start or whatever. Let that

1:06:33

blow over. Let that blow over. Oh, next

1:06:36

Thursday, right? That's what we're doing. Oh, you meant this

1:06:38

Thursday? It's a lead day. When

1:06:40

did Japan like stop with

1:06:43

the practice of like mainstream seppico? Like when

1:06:45

did- I don't, I have no idea. World

1:06:47

War II, I think it was a thing.

1:06:49

We bombed that out of them. Wait,

1:06:52

would you have been

1:06:54

against US involvement in World

1:06:56

War II, Taylor? Oh,

1:06:59

yeah. Probably. It being

1:07:02

consistent, like I probably would have been like, Europe

1:07:05

has their own thing. They just had a giant

1:07:07

war 20 years ago. We're gonna get dragged into

1:07:09

another one. You wouldn't have liked sending the money

1:07:11

to the Brits probably because we're sending so

1:07:14

much money and the Soviets

1:07:16

as well. The

1:07:18

Soviets would have starved out and died if we

1:07:21

hadn't sent them enormous amounts of stockpiles

1:07:23

of not just food, but like arms.

1:07:25

It was a great video I saw that if you're a gun

1:07:28

guy, you'd like cream it this. It was

1:07:30

fucking Russians about to go fight the

1:07:32

Ukrainians and they were in some salt

1:07:34

mine in Russia and they cracked open

1:07:36

cases of Thompson machine guns from World

1:07:38

War II that we had

1:07:40

sent them to fight the Nazis. And

1:07:43

they're just like brand new in the

1:07:45

case from the 30s

1:07:47

manufacturing or 40s maybe. And

1:07:49

it's like, blub, blub, blub, blub, we

1:07:51

will face Ukrainians with this. And I was like, holy

1:07:53

shit, that's so cool. Those guns are so sick. They're

1:07:57

the coolest looking gun expert, but none of us

1:07:59

are really. Military experts. I wonder

1:08:01

how important the quality of your rifle

1:08:03

is in battle like it

1:08:06

I guess the reliability of it matters, but if I'm it Kyle

1:08:09

you've seen that trench warfare where the guy

1:08:11

got like I'm gonna make it up nine

1:08:13

kills going through the trenches. Yes, any

1:08:15

gun could have done that I AK 47 and

1:08:17

for wouldn't have made a difference. He's not a

1:08:19

bolt action But no, I I

1:08:22

liked his rig. So he had a suppressor. That's one

1:08:24

of the reasons they weren't noticing him right away He

1:08:27

had a good optic and he had He

1:08:29

didn't use that fucking gun. Yeah, you do like

1:08:32

like like I think you touched it and that

1:08:34

gun starts recoiling I guess I Mean

1:08:37

never one guy optic. Am I

1:08:40

I might be wrong? I don't know where you

1:08:42

know, there's so many videos. It's a war Yeah,

1:08:44

yeah, it was through the trenches and

1:08:46

I think one of the guys he killed was

1:08:48

a Russian blogger or vlogger Yeah,

1:08:51

yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1:08:53

Yeah. Yeah that special force is going into a

1:08:55

tunnel and like clearing it out It's CQB I

1:08:59

don't know. Look I've never fought anybody with a

1:09:01

fucking gun But but just operating lots of guns

1:09:04

lots of guns malfunction and that and they

1:09:06

malfunction when you're standing very still holding them

1:09:08

Tightly if you don't hold a

1:09:10

gun tightly, then it can't operate

1:09:13

quite the way it should Okay,

1:09:15

like it a certain amount

1:09:17

of gas is pushing a thing back against

1:09:19

a spring That's then coming back forward with

1:09:21

the correct amount and everything's tuned very well

1:09:24

But if the guns moving backwards when that

1:09:26

happens or if it's fully auto and jiggling

1:09:28

like they fail all the time Oh, and

1:09:31

there's like there's names for all different failures you play

1:09:33

Tarkov, you know, I'm talking about that's kind of close

1:09:36

to reality Place a little Tom's

1:09:38

gonna hold them back from the 30s Oh,

1:09:40

you wouldn't want to use a Thompson machine gun anyway for

1:09:42

like dozens of reasons I think heavy as fuck use 45

1:09:44

ACP That's heavy as fuck uses stick

1:09:46

mags that are like 20 or 30 rounds

1:09:48

or a big drum mag that takes you a year

1:09:51

to load Were they good at the time in

1:09:53

the third and shrimp at what they were using

1:09:55

them for like fighting in the Pacific I know

1:09:57

they did really well with just chopping around The

1:10:00

jungle bait you know it's close

1:10:02

quarters weapon. It's not something you're like seeing the guy on

1:10:04

the hilltop with and pecking it It's when you bump into

1:10:06

a guy like what he's talking about sure it'd be good

1:10:08

But you don't want to take it to the battlefield right

1:10:10

like everything has to fit together And you

1:10:12

don't want to be the only guy out there with that 45 caliber

1:10:15

World War two machine gun Don't you want your

1:10:17

soldier you want to yell mag and that guy

1:10:19

throw you something that goes in your fucking gun

1:10:21

You know I mean, they're the best-looking gun aesthetically

1:10:23

of all time. They're so cool. What is

1:10:25

it not say it says that can show us a picture Tommy

1:10:28

gun yeah Tommy

1:10:30

guns just like I shot one at that

1:10:32

gun event, and it was awesome It was

1:10:34

way heavier than I thought it would be

1:10:36

like after along with the It

1:10:39

was a regular like wooden stock one. I don't

1:10:41

know the the length of the gun, but it

1:10:43

was two feet probably about that It

1:10:46

was that but I was shooting it with a stick mag and

1:10:49

thank you Zack shooting this I was

1:10:51

like I feel so awesome. This is so

1:10:53

cool, but then shooting the mp40 I

1:10:56

was like oh like this makes so

1:10:58

much more sense for actually running around

1:11:00

and shooting like it still looks

1:11:02

cool It doesn't look as cool But like the

1:11:05

mp40 felt like a half empty can of soda

1:11:07

compared to this thing when I see this

1:11:09

gun I don't even think war I think Al

1:11:11

Capone Bonnie. Yeah, yeah And

1:11:14

the highwayman yeah, I watched

1:11:16

that I I was on this motorcycle trip

1:11:19

and There's a

1:11:21

hotel in Vegas that I was

1:11:23

staying at that had Bonnie and Clyde shot

1:11:25

up car and suddenly I became like the

1:11:27

Deep diving into Bonnie and Clyde lore. I'm

1:11:29

looking at all the bullet holes and like

1:11:31

what happened to the car dude It's a

1:11:33

heck of a story. It's pretty cool. They

1:11:36

uh after they murdered those murdered

1:11:38

killed Whatever caught them and shot them or

1:11:40

whatever They

1:11:42

like everyone dragged their bodies around

1:11:45

they didn't clean that car for ages And you

1:11:47

could sit in it people would sit in it

1:11:49

and get like brains on their shirt Like

1:11:52

that's the history of that car. It was pretty cool What

1:11:56

did you guys think of uh, just to switch

1:11:58

gears a little bit uh Oppenheimer I

1:12:01

have not seen how much Barbie went over

1:12:03

there Kyle's been up and I'm her

1:12:06

um so I have not seen Oppenheimer I

1:12:08

I mean to see it I keep meaning

1:12:10

to see it the movie guy man. Yeah,

1:12:12

Kyle. We're all disappointed No

1:12:15

one expects me to hit Did

1:12:19

you see doing I saw I had it one yeah, I'm

1:12:21

gonna see the second one the first one was really cool

1:12:24

I saw years ago, and then I rewatched it on Hulu,

1:12:26

and I was like all right. This is pretty sweet Second

1:12:29

one the second one is Why

1:12:32

I don't even know how to even better to

1:12:35

me get their shit together cuz the first one

1:12:37

sucked dick like a whore bro Like

1:12:41

Empire Strikes Back Two Towers didn't do like

1:12:43

for me. It's like that level.

1:12:45

It's it's it's a grand Epic

1:12:49

I'm very excited about it. I loved

1:12:51

the first one. I like the original. I'm one

1:12:53

of those people I'm one of the Follows

1:12:58

it follows the okay, so

1:13:00

here's when I say something's good What

1:13:02

I need to specify is like there's different kinds

1:13:04

of good right like it's like saying like hey

1:13:06

is that food good? Yeah, it's good. What did

1:13:09

you mean by that? You know like cheese pizza

1:13:11

is good, but so it's filet mignon And

1:13:13

this the old one is cheese pizza you

1:13:15

know it's cheese pizza and it's a good

1:13:17

laugh and it follows the exact same plot

1:13:19

line because they're both based on the Same

1:13:21

book and watching what watching them

1:13:23

back to back you'd want to watch the

1:13:25

good one first the new one But it's

1:13:28

hilarious to see their versions of these characters

1:13:30

the main bad guy though is way more

1:13:32

evil way more evil unless in the second

1:13:34

Dune the the new one they're gonna reveal

1:13:36

some more stuff because in the original he's

1:13:38

got an invoice sex slave Yeah, first of

1:13:41

all he's disgusting He's floating around using a

1:13:43

hover pack with his nipples and titties out

1:13:45

and he's like Very very and

1:13:47

there and he has slaves all around him

1:13:49

like med slaves who are using syringes to

1:13:52

pull the pus out of his Pustrels that are

1:13:54

in his face they're like drawing it out and

1:13:56

like keeping it and he has all these wires and hoses

1:13:58

and they're in like an ooze factory or some

1:14:01

shit anyway. It's disgusting everywhere. But then in

1:14:03

walks his like femboy sex slave and he

1:14:05

walks over to him and he's like greasy.

1:14:07

He looks like he took, he looks like

1:14:10

he ate fried chicken and then rubbed his

1:14:12

hands all over his face. And

1:14:14

he's sort of like licking his lips while he

1:14:16

like feels this femboy up and the femboy is

1:14:18

not into it. And then at some point he

1:14:20

reaches to his chest and he pulls out a

1:14:23

plug. That's kind of like a butt

1:14:25

plug, but it's in his heart. It was

1:14:27

all that keeps him alive. Like it's surgically

1:14:29

implanted so that at will he can just

1:14:31

kill him by pulling this thing out. And

1:14:33

the guy, well, the heart anons in the

1:14:35

book in the books are comically evil. So

1:14:37

yeah, he had like sex slaves in the

1:14:39

books and like, it's better. It's the cat.

1:14:42

Do you know about the cat milk? He's

1:14:45

drinking, can't poisons this guy. He poisoned this guy

1:14:48

and they're like the poison that we've given you,

1:14:50

you'll, you'll die a horrific death. Um,

1:14:52

within the movie, in the movie, they're

1:14:55

like, we poisoned you. You're going to

1:14:57

die. There's only one cure. And then

1:14:59

they, they, they got a, they bring

1:15:02

in this disgusting hairless cat with titties

1:15:04

and they're like, you got to milk

1:15:06

this cat every day

1:15:08

and drink the milk and that

1:15:10

will keep you alive. But if

1:15:12

you ever take a day off

1:15:15

from milking this fucking cat and drinking its

1:15:17

titty milk, you die. What

1:15:19

happens when you need another cat? What's really

1:15:21

wild is, uh, there's a lot of,

1:15:24

there's a lot of discourse right now where

1:15:28

like, like a lot of times

1:15:31

when, when a big movie comes out, there's like a

1:15:33

lot of like really stupid discourse online about it. And

1:15:35

a stupid discourse about goon right now

1:15:38

is there are people that are, they,

1:15:40

they think that the Fremen are meant

1:15:42

to represent Palestinians. And

1:15:44

so they're like, but if you know

1:15:46

where the story of dune is going, that

1:15:48

is not, that is not, that

1:15:51

is not the book written in the fifties.

1:15:53

It does not reflect well on, uh, well,

1:15:56

I mean, you know, Palestinians were, were a thing

1:15:58

in the fifties, but like. Frank

1:16:01

Herbert wrote this book to warn

1:16:03

against like charismatic

1:16:05

leaders. He said like for

1:16:07

example Frank Herbert was like he was like

1:16:09

a libertarian, he was like a libertarian like

1:16:12

climate advocate. So you could be that in

1:16:14

the 70s. It was kind of like a hippie thing. But

1:16:17

he said one time that he thought the

1:16:19

most dangerous politician of the 20th century was

1:16:21

John F. Kennedy because everybody was just like

1:16:23

so impressed by him and they just kind of

1:16:25

like went along and then that led to Vietnam.

1:16:30

He wrote the Dunes stuff specifically like

1:16:32

he had Mao and Stalin in mind

1:16:34

when it came to Paul. But

1:16:37

yeah so like yeah

1:16:39

there's just a bunch of stupid discourse about that movie

1:16:41

right now. They can't just enjoy

1:16:43

the movie. They better. They

1:16:47

got to try and launder their own like pet projects

1:16:49

through the movie. They can't just be like this is

1:16:51

cool. Well you know the same

1:16:53

thing book now with Star Wars that's

1:16:55

the US and Vietnam. The

1:16:58

US is the evil empire and Luke

1:17:00

Skywalker and the boys they're the Vietnamese and

1:17:02

maybe the fucking Buddhist month burned himself alive

1:17:05

as a Jedi I don't know. But

1:17:08

that's what was going on then. Well

1:17:10

he actually didn't self emulate in protest

1:17:12

of the war. Did you know that?

1:17:15

He was protesting actually something else. He

1:17:17

was protesting that he got caught releasing

1:17:19

documents and he was like

1:17:22

why don't I burn myself to avoid these

1:17:24

document charges. I think that was really Yale

1:17:26

free Palestine. Oh that guy. Wait he was.

1:17:29

No he's talking about the guy who self emulated. The

1:17:31

guy from the other guy. The guy from. Well I

1:17:33

was originally talking about Buddhist monks in Vietnam but there

1:17:35

was that guy that Air Force guy who self emulated

1:17:37

like a week or two ago. And they

1:17:39

were celebrating him. Like there were

1:17:41

like this bunch of like going

1:17:44

back to TikTok a bunch of like

1:17:47

TikTok zoomers were like lionizing

1:17:49

this guy and there was this

1:17:51

whole thing where age three age three was he

1:17:54

was saying like I

1:17:56

don't think it's good to glamorize suicide which I

1:17:58

think is the correct take. Um,

1:18:00

and uh... I didn't think

1:18:02

of it from the suicide thing because it's a different kind of

1:18:04

suicide And like I think

1:18:07

suicide when you're looking for a way

1:18:09

out or whatever You really need to

1:18:11

like explore some other fucking options It's

1:18:13

an awful thing However, suicide

1:18:15

for an ideal is a different thing

1:18:17

Dude, though, when you look through his

1:18:19

old Reddit post This

1:18:22

dude was fully radicalized Like,

1:18:25

full radicalized Yeah,

1:18:27

he burned himself alive Yeah, he

1:18:29

was radical I would say, I'm gonna go so

1:18:31

far as they do Kinda got my hot take

1:18:34

joke, alright man Maybe

1:18:36

it's a bit redundant Not prior tonight But

1:18:39

he was just full on like, I

1:18:42

guess it's just There's a

1:18:44

lot of people where their whole political

1:18:46

philosophy is centered on America

1:18:48

bad And then everything springs from

1:18:50

that And so you just

1:18:52

become fully indoctrinated Oh, the creature was an hoax? Hutch?

1:18:56

What's up? The Reddit thing is, did you

1:18:58

read the whole- Shortly following the film, yeah Okay,

1:19:00

no, no, no, no, so there was one specific

1:19:02

post that was doctored But you can't, you can

1:19:05

go to like archived They

1:19:08

deleted his account so you can't go to Reddit itself

1:19:11

to see it But there's an archived

1:19:13

version of his logs And

1:19:15

you can just read everything that he was typing And

1:19:17

it was just, it was apparent that he

1:19:19

was just fully Like,

1:19:22

I think he tacitly endorsed October

1:19:24

7th, for example Oh, a lot

1:19:27

of people did that Yeah, a lot of people

1:19:29

like just straight up outwardly did it on Twitter

1:19:31

It was funny to see like random rappers get

1:19:33

in trouble Rappers, Rappers Politics

1:19:35

is one of my new favorite

1:19:37

things Because it's a lot

1:19:39

more right wing and radical than

1:19:41

you'd ever think Like, I feel

1:19:43

like lady rappers are super radical

1:19:46

Um, they're celebrating October 7th and stuff

1:19:48

like that Um,

1:19:50

the male rappers, a lot of those dudes are right

1:19:53

wing A lot of those guys are Trump guys That's

1:19:56

true, that's true But there's a

1:19:58

lot of like There's

1:20:00

obviously a lot of free Palestine stuff

1:20:02

with younger artists right now. Yeah.

1:20:08

It's so tough because it's like, obviously

1:20:11

I think most people, I

1:20:13

would assume all of you guys believe that

1:20:15

the Palestinians deserve their own state and autonomy

1:20:17

and dignity and all that, but I

1:20:21

don't, when I get up to the line

1:20:23

of Hamas good, that's where I'm like, no,

1:20:26

I'm not witty on that one. Well, that answered.

1:20:28

I mean, we've got so much land in the

1:20:30

Midwest. I was thinking Taylor, that we could get

1:20:33

all them Palestinians and just give them like Wyoming.

1:20:35

Like, we're not doing shit up there.

1:20:38

North Dakota. It is not. We've got

1:20:40

those problems. We'll flip a coin. We'll

1:20:42

give them one of the Dakotas. Dude,

1:20:44

problems? Do you know what a resource

1:20:46

the Palestinian people could be? Look,

1:20:48

now you don't realize this Taylor,

1:20:50

but first world nations are clamoring

1:20:52

to get first pick at the

1:20:54

Palestinian people. There's a

1:20:57

lottery system right now and it's a

1:20:59

lucky few first nations are going to

1:21:01

get, you know, I

1:21:03

know that if you take all the Hamas

1:21:05

and put them in St. Louis, that the

1:21:07

murder rate will go down. I

1:21:10

don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

1:21:13

I don't know. Did

1:21:17

you guys see that this this conflict and the

1:21:19

discourse around it, like

1:21:21

ended the age three Hassan? I

1:21:24

really don't know anything about those guys. You're

1:21:27

not plugged into them at all. Not right

1:21:29

away from that. So what happened? They

1:21:31

were they friends and now they're not or is

1:21:33

the well, they did a they did a podcast

1:21:35

together for I want to say like two years.

1:21:38

It's called the leftovers and it

1:21:41

was a really interesting cultural kind of

1:21:43

like online cultural moment to watch that

1:21:46

friendship sort of disintegrate

1:21:48

over time because it started to

1:21:50

fray during like a conversation

1:21:52

about like capitalism versus

1:21:54

communism stuff. And

1:21:56

what had happened was like H3 had whether intentionally

1:21:58

or not. unintentionally cultivated

1:22:01

through his partnership with Hassan, cultivated like

1:22:04

a really left-wing audience,

1:22:06

like a hammer and sickle, like we need

1:22:08

to destroy capital kind of like audience. And

1:22:11

they started to have this disagreement where Ethan

1:22:14

was willing to say, there's plenty of flaws

1:22:16

with capitalism, there's a lot of gaps, there's

1:22:18

a lot of poverty, but I'm just not

1:22:22

with you with the whole Chinese kind

1:22:24

of stuff, or full-on hammer and sickle

1:22:26

stuff. And then a few months later,

1:22:28

it culminated this fracture of their friendship

1:22:31

with the Palestinian-Israeli

1:22:34

conflict, because Ethan is

1:22:36

a dual citizen, like he has citizenship in Israel,

1:22:38

he has family in Israel. And so he was

1:22:40

a dual, he was Israeli, right? Or

1:22:43

he was also a dual, yeah. Yeah. And

1:22:45

so a lot of

1:22:47

Ethan's audience were, I mean, some

1:22:49

of them are just full-on. Like

1:22:53

actually collaborating. October 7th, you

1:22:55

know, like, so like Ethan

1:22:57

was, he was like

1:23:00

saying, like, look, I'm willing to tell

1:23:02

you like what the Israelis have been

1:23:04

doing to Palestinians for decades is wrong

1:23:06

and fuck Netanyahu and fuck the Luku

1:23:08

party and fuck, you know, the Israeli-Palestinian,

1:23:10

the treatment of Palestinians, but Hamas, like

1:23:12

what they did is fucking not good. And then

1:23:15

like a bunch of the audience were calling him

1:23:17

like a racist, genocidal, apartheid supporter. And they call

1:23:20

us that all the time. That's

1:23:22

like, that's, they don't mean

1:23:24

it. That just means hello in online talk.

1:23:26

Yeah, that's just how they, that's how they,

1:23:28

it was an interesting kind of like, it

1:23:30

was an interesting moment

1:23:33

because it's, yeah, for him to realize that that's the,

1:23:35

yeah, that's, that's, that's pretty awkward. There was a

1:23:37

big schism and they're both of their audience. They don't,

1:23:39

they don't do the, they don't do the podcast anymore.

1:23:42

And it was just, it was just too much. Like

1:23:44

there was like, you had

1:23:46

a limit for them. Yeah. And that was a

1:23:48

pretty, you know, pretty, pretty big podcast, you know,

1:23:50

sort of like walk away from that was like

1:23:52

pretty significant. But the audience divided them most.

1:23:55

Yeah. Well, I mean, it was a

1:23:57

conflict and the audience. There's a thing called audience capture. Are you

1:23:59

guys familiar? familiar with the concept of audience capture? It's

1:24:02

like, so if you're like an influencer

1:24:04

person and you cover politics or you

1:24:07

cover cultural stuff, you end

1:24:09

up cultivating an audience over time. Like you guys have

1:24:11

cultivated kind of like a slightly more right-wing audience I

1:24:13

would say, right? And

1:24:15

like, but like what

1:24:18

happens with a lot of creators is they

1:24:20

start to notice like, oh, well, I'll get,

1:24:22

you know, you either consciously or unconsciously

1:24:24

know like I'm going to get more engagement if I

1:24:26

frame certain things this way or that way. And so

1:24:29

it, there ends up being this sort of like extremism

1:24:31

pipeline that happens and then it

1:24:33

gets to a point where the

1:24:35

creator, they're not really, they're not

1:24:37

really being authentic with their thoughts.

1:24:39

They're just, they're relaying what they think their audiences

1:24:42

are going to want to hear. So, you know,

1:24:44

that phrased it really well. I can probably, let

1:24:46

me read it because it's interesting. Audience

1:24:49

capture is a self-reinforcing feedback loop that

1:24:51

involves telling one's audience what they want

1:24:53

to hear and getting rewarded for it.

1:24:56

Yeah. They have to go further

1:24:58

and further. So they're like, oh, when I'm talking

1:25:00

about how awesome Stalin was, I get lots of

1:25:02

likes and comments. We'll see people calling that. We

1:25:05

just always, one of us has to disagree.

1:25:08

So that, so that we're always on both

1:25:10

sides. We literally are. It's very rarely that

1:25:12

all three of us are like full. And

1:25:15

if we all agree, someone will jump on

1:25:17

the other side. And then there'll be all

1:25:19

agree, there's at least a dissenting opinion from

1:25:21

somebody. They're like, look, all right, I'll cosign

1:25:23

that. Yeah, but here's

1:25:25

the thing about that. You need a little,

1:25:28

you need this to get, yeah. It's

1:25:30

not an interesting politics. But here's where

1:25:32

I think our show does it a lot in

1:25:34

like the meanness, right? So this is a show

1:25:36

where we laugh at people fighting cars and think

1:25:39

it's hilarious at that mismatch. And

1:25:41

then the audience turns that same spirit

1:25:43

on us and it's like, well, don't

1:25:45

be surprised. Fuck Nard. If

1:25:48

we got hit in the parking lot, they would have

1:25:50

no sympathy. That's

1:25:54

because they're dumb because I don't think

1:25:56

it's funny when people get hit by cars.

1:25:58

I think it's funny when. fat

1:26:00

black women get mad at each other

1:26:02

one of them gets behind the wheel

1:26:04

of her intrepid and the other one

1:26:06

still continues to show the same amount

1:26:08

of gusto in the physical altercation despite

1:26:10

the fact that said intrepid is

1:26:13

4200 pounds of killing machines. Those

1:26:15

women are like low in 31 against the intrepid

1:26:17

in all the videos. Oh in 31! I

1:26:20

don't think they're gonna turn the franchise around. I

1:26:23

have seen so many ladies get ran down

1:26:26

by Christ through 300s that and it still

1:26:28

tickles me to death. I love it because

1:26:30

not but but I don't want to see

1:26:32

just some poor pedestrian get hit get hit

1:26:35

like that thing in Nice, France when that

1:26:37

terrorist attack and people got ran over that's

1:26:39

not funny that's horrific but if

1:26:42

you're like you're not gonna talk to me

1:26:44

that way what you gonna do run me

1:26:47

and they're like right oh did you

1:26:49

get your car well I took off my

1:26:51

high heel shoe let's go! Oh

1:26:58

you haven't seen this? Basically two

1:27:00

people are in a conflict someone gets in a

1:27:02

car and the other person rather than like running

1:27:04

or taking cover behind a light pole is like

1:27:06

I'm not afraid of your car and I have

1:27:08

a theory like Cal mentioned the race

1:27:11

thing but I think it's the sex thing I

1:27:13

think that sometimes women feel like they're

1:27:16

not going to get hit because it doesn't happen

1:27:18

to them very much you know the punch in

1:27:20

the mouth is a very extreme uncommon route to

1:27:22

take for girls yeah

1:27:24

so they don't hit in the mouth of 10

1:27:26

minutes I go out there and say the wrong shit I promise

1:27:29

you I go to circle K it'll go down with

1:27:31

your friend like if you mouth off the Scott

1:27:33

enough then you know it might go that way

1:27:35

I don't say the wrong thing yeah

1:27:38

a little bit how

1:27:41

do you guys oh sorry go I'm gonna go ahead they're

1:27:43

gonna take over well no I was just gonna ask

1:27:45

you guys like how because you guys don't seem to

1:27:48

have gone down the audience capture route like you seem

1:27:50

to have like I feel like

1:27:52

I'm talking to the same person I talked to like

1:27:54

eight years ago like how have you guys avoided the

1:27:56

trappings of that do you just not um I'm

1:27:59

gonna guess that you don't look at like a comment

1:28:01

so your replies very often. Very rarely do

1:28:03

I look at any comments. The

1:28:05

only way I interact with fans is

1:28:07

if they join our Patreon and

1:28:10

they give us $50 a month and

1:28:15

then they join our Discord and then I literally

1:28:17

game with them all night and like shoot the

1:28:19

shit with them and the group of guys in

1:28:21

there are awesome. So they'll, I'll sort of

1:28:24

lean on them

1:28:26

for like if they thought a show was good or

1:28:28

not and sycophants that

1:28:30

they are. They love everyone. They love everyone.

1:28:33

They've never had a complaint and they better

1:28:35

not because I'll they

1:28:38

know I will. I'm liberal with the

1:28:41

band hammer. No, but I really the opposite

1:28:43

though. Like I feel like they'll be like,

1:28:45

what happened there? And I'm like, look, we

1:28:48

didn't, we didn't book that guy. I don't

1:28:50

know who booked that guy. We didn't know

1:28:52

we were gonna have a fried brain from

1:28:54

the mushrooms. We didn't know. Yeah. I like

1:28:56

that. Did you have somebody come on? That

1:28:58

was different balls. Yeah, he wasn't at the

1:29:00

time, but he had some, some, we had

1:29:02

a, he probably was. I'm so nice. This

1:29:04

guy touted himself as some sort of a

1:29:07

shaman per se. And basically his

1:29:09

story was that he had had this

1:29:11

awful experience where his wife who was

1:29:13

pregnant with his unborn child died in

1:29:15

a car accident that he caused and

1:29:18

it ruined him to the extent where he, so

1:29:20

he sought out psychedelics, more

1:29:22

and more potent doses of them to sort of get

1:29:25

over that trauma. And my

1:29:27

take is that while doing that, he fried

1:29:29

his brain. And so then

1:29:31

he's got this new wife and he's told us,

1:29:34

he told us that he's like, so at this point in my

1:29:36

life, my wife was saying,

1:29:38

I'm going to murder the children. I'm going to

1:29:40

take the gun. I have the gun and I'm going

1:29:42

to murder the children. So then

1:29:45

I went on one of my retreats to

1:29:47

the Dominican Republic and did mushrooms with some

1:29:49

guys. And when we got back, I

1:29:51

talked to her and I had a whole new frame of

1:29:53

mind. I'm paraphrasing, but it

1:29:56

was literally. And

1:29:59

so I'm like. I'm doing this when he said, I'm like, whoa,

1:30:04

your wife said she was going to murder

1:30:06

the children and she had the means, which

1:30:08

means she's thought about this a good bit,

1:30:10

went and gotten the gun. She has the

1:30:12

gun and you went to another country to

1:30:15

do drugs. I love

1:30:17

drugs and travel fun, but,

1:30:19

and I hate kids, but my

1:30:21

take is that you're a piece of shit, dude. How

1:30:24

do you leave your kids behind with a

1:30:26

murderer for, who tell it like, like, like,

1:30:28

are you insane? I didn't go that hard.

1:30:30

You just went there. I

1:30:32

went a little bit softer than that

1:30:35

and it devolved quickly. I

1:30:37

may have been rude to him. You know, I smoke

1:30:39

every show and I don't remember these things. I enjoyed

1:30:41

it, but I think I was pretty, pretty

1:30:43

mean to him. And he did every 30,

1:30:45

50 guests. Kyle

1:30:48

will decide I have had enough of this guy. I'm

1:30:50

not interested in his return, so I'm going to lay

1:30:52

it down. Sometimes they'll just be

1:30:54

fucking liars. Like there's one guy, look, I hate

1:30:56

a fake bad ass. I'm not a

1:30:58

bad ass. I don't want to get in a

1:31:00

fight. I'm not good at it. I wouldn't

1:31:02

be good at it if I tried. I'm not going to

1:31:04

pretend like I, like I, like I will be or want

1:31:07

to rip this fucker. Did that go? I

1:31:09

beat the shit out of

1:31:11

you, bro. I smoke you. See now you

1:31:13

see like, I can't just keep you back.

1:31:16

I got the long arms. So I just

1:31:18

have both in half with my jujitsu training.

1:31:21

You know, I'm a real tough guy. I

1:31:24

watch the UFC. There

1:31:26

are guys who are like what I'm like pretending to

1:31:28

be right there. There's douchebag. Yeah.

1:31:31

Yeah. But but we had a guy on who

1:31:33

was like, I can't remember what kind of bad ass or he

1:31:35

was claiming he'd done, but he was like, yeah, my

1:31:38

step that stabbed me. And I was like, oh, you

1:31:40

stabbed me. I ran away off

1:31:42

into the woods, so did up myself. And

1:31:44

I think I just went, no, you didn't. It

1:31:47

was like that. It was like in

1:31:49

Billy Madison when when he's like me

1:31:51

and her got it on. I'm sitting

1:31:53

like, yeah, but this guy I knew

1:31:56

him and her did the thing. He's

1:31:58

like, no, they didn't. Yeah,

1:32:00

but. You. Can imagine what a be

1:32:02

like have a different. Set

1:32:04

of Dollars A thirty year reference. Red dirt

1:32:07

on Wow. Twenty by a reference. Percent of

1:32:09

our audience, according to my maid of statistics,

1:32:11

got that well as he now. As

1:32:14

the great movie is so so he's claiming

1:32:16

they got stabbed and they stitched himself and

1:32:18

I'm at night at cited some scar. Show.

1:32:21

Me: Show me bro. Show me where you got stabbed

1:32:23

with a kitchen knife and pulled it out your body

1:32:25

and so did up yourself as he fucking didn't. He.

1:32:27

Thought he didn't. Yeah. And

1:32:30

that was. That. Was absurd. But

1:32:32

the others, the mushroom one that's happened

1:32:34

thousand up from time to time. But

1:32:37

as far as like the audience, the

1:32:39

retainer whenever that was got audience trying

1:32:41

to capture, capturing capture like it was

1:32:43

probably. Five. Six years ago now

1:32:45

and of is actually add a Sam Hyde

1:32:47

clip that I saw. That. Like changed

1:32:50

my perspective on it because I used to like

1:32:52

read comments a lot more forums. all that and

1:32:54

I saw a video from him that was like

1:32:56

him talking about then obviously is a big figure,

1:32:58

lot of people talking about him. he was like.

1:33:01

A. Lot of everyone knows how negative it

1:33:03

is and bad for your psyche. The like

1:33:05

read bad things about yourself online if you're

1:33:07

a contact guy. Like. That's a negative.

1:33:10

But. He also made the point of

1:33:12

like it's also almost as sinister and

1:33:14

bad to read positive things about yourself

1:33:17

like the whole idea of like sitting

1:33:19

there reading about yourself is gonna breed

1:33:21

and you like a sort of

1:33:23

unintended narcissism in one way to the

1:33:26

other that is going to change you

1:33:28

know person I by the same rationale

1:33:30

into by the name wrestling. By.

1:33:33

The same rationale that you would say: don't worry that

1:33:35

negative stuff, They'll know you. Don't worry that positive stuff.

1:33:37

I don't know exactly the heard. They don't know how

1:33:39

foolish it you are when you said that being herbs

1:33:42

or that you are being charitable just because you felt

1:33:44

like you had to are like they don't know the

1:33:46

pressures that you're under. Like or a that's normal though.

1:33:48

It's like it's none of the car. It's like a

1:33:50

house of Cards. So like. I. Have

1:33:53

we identify with with that like early

1:33:55

on and in the in my like

1:33:57

online career? Dude, I was showered with.

1:34:00

Attention and praise nonstop An Iguana

1:34:02

mean I fucking body into it,

1:34:05

you know? And I'm like screw

1:34:07

redone every comments and arm. And.

1:34:09

It didn't really really didn't take long for

1:34:12

me to realize like this is not like

1:34:14

a foundation. Let your fat Your

1:34:16

foundation needs to be like the relationships that

1:34:18

you have with people in your life. You

1:34:20

might have done live shows light like chats

1:34:22

with huts, show up and dollars the elves

1:34:25

and been woven elisa and people would his

1:34:27

own up. Played. Down and it was

1:34:29

like super intoxicating in the beginning. But

1:34:31

it really really was like a year

1:34:33

Two years where it was like. It.

1:34:35

Just candidates fell apart like I need more

1:34:37

than that and so I'd I started. You

1:34:40

know that I kind of didn't get or

1:34:42

negative against the U that are you remember?

1:34:45

It just it just wasn't the sit like

1:34:47

I I remember getting like really depressed towards

1:34:49

the end of. The cinema and it

1:34:51

just wasn't It was no longer work, it was like

1:34:53

a drug the stop working he was like oh time

1:34:55

and I and I was in a position where I

1:34:58

was like okay well you know I have this hosting

1:35:00

gig I saw this like good job another Pamela better

1:35:02

him but I'm just like miserable. And. as

1:35:04

edges and and not became like and inception idea

1:35:06

where it just it just kind of went down

1:35:08

from there and psych I had to disconnect for

1:35:11

like six months and. You're. In it

1:35:13

and it's like eben it's like an ebb

1:35:15

and flow. Like so like I came back

1:35:17

and than I did some crazy shit like

1:35:19

got engaged after like a week of reconnecting

1:35:21

with someone a beggar. A not great an

1:35:23

upgrade I would not. I would not recommend

1:35:26

it. personally. I've read the show just broke

1:35:28

up with fiance about a game a lot

1:35:30

of south of Go vomited. Field

1:35:34

Runners: Why? I am I gonna do all

1:35:36

of. The. Please. Continue on on on are

1:35:38

yeah, you got. When. A Do start

1:35:41

talking about his fiance, you tell it's first

1:35:43

time. say that word. It's sickening. I spot

1:35:45

and get grossed out here in that shit

1:35:47

and I start plotting. I start playing are

1:35:49

we gotta get the guide to the game

1:35:51

Our got into Sark Up now is away

1:35:53

from right later. Little the rift is been

1:35:55

created by Only or I've now got him

1:35:58

to talk up. He's addicted to it. Why?

1:36:00

and like eight ten hours a day? Who

1:36:02

the not talking to the fiance of a

1:36:04

sudden it's the girlfriend also the girlfriend and

1:36:06

that his own can play sort are called

1:36:09

Maggie going on the night. yeah I guess

1:36:11

I can't are not the ex girlfriend now

1:36:13

is moving back across the country and eastern

1:36:15

seaboard. Let him know it's the point of

1:36:18

your. Plan

1:36:21

Nine hours Or Nine Hours of Tar Gabi

1:36:23

Day of your relationship. This is going well.

1:36:26

Cel Rising Absurd in I'm sure you measure

1:36:28

the catalyst, but there was probably. Sports are

1:36:30

not going with my fiance for nine years now,

1:36:32

so like we're good at. The. Arms because

1:36:35

you have a set of a heard you say that word

1:36:37

before so I know that it is good. We've been engaged

1:36:39

for like three years for not really like. Sooner.

1:36:42

Or later on as they say yes I do

1:36:44

with own been run thing here. Now.

1:36:46

And on of on the opposite. So like

1:36:49

my relationship a super grounded now like my

1:36:51

life is pretty. Peaceful.

1:36:53

The for a while there I were

1:36:55

I was like subconsciously seeking out chaos

1:36:57

like I would just go to these

1:36:59

cycles. swear I'll get bored, I would

1:37:01

get restless. and then there was just

1:37:03

something about that cycle of dysfunction and

1:37:05

chaos that I was attracted to. Mom

1:37:07

and then he. How it wasn't until

1:37:09

I got of I don't know if

1:37:11

I told you guys as but I

1:37:13

got a book by Pollard diagnosis last

1:37:15

year and all this on every they

1:37:18

made sense of like ah sizes angler

1:37:20

like defeated explain it to me in

1:37:22

the audience. And I've heard it before, but else we

1:37:24

can really know. Well. There's the

1:37:26

South, there's like a pot media sort

1:37:28

of like idea what bipolar is which

1:37:31

is is rapidly cycling in between euphoria,

1:37:33

mania and depression. ah which that is

1:37:35

a thing is is very rare. That's

1:37:37

the call it rapid cycling bipolar or

1:37:39

maybe type three I think I'm but

1:37:42

side side Psu is what I have

1:37:44

any. it's mostly on the low side

1:37:46

so he spent most of the time

1:37:48

in the depression. but then you have

1:37:50

these periods of what they call hypomania

1:37:53

instead of mania soulful on manias like.

1:37:55

Is they ever three, four, five days

1:37:57

at a time you start hallucinating like.

1:38:00

Lots of times there's delusions of grandeur.

1:38:02

They literally think they're Jesus Christ and

1:38:04

or not it it wasn't good at

1:38:06

for I had a diver at I

1:38:08

only date women who have a bipolar.

1:38:12

Or not but above borderline know be

1:38:14

people are nile come on there are

1:38:16

worse of others and a i'm not

1:38:18

and a lab talk to her doctors

1:38:20

anymore though the professor a court order

1:38:22

but so I'm not quite sure the

1:38:24

earth but my experience has always been

1:38:26

that. Man.

1:38:28

Is almost like split personalities like there

1:38:30

are two versions of those people and

1:38:32

when it's extreme at and one of

1:38:35

them is. Happy go lucky and

1:38:37

the other is like the world's tumbling down

1:38:39

at the slightest thing. Or

1:38:41

it could be angry a like want to be

1:38:43

very disagreeable and hard sometimes give you could be

1:38:45

very disagreeable hard to get along with other times

1:38:48

just the opposite of a be like my energy.

1:38:51