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it's the first interview I believe since the

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1:38

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1:43

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check that one Now it's a real deep

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favor and I love these because it

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gives us a real insight into what

2:05

the rock legends think of their own

2:07

Korea Joe will be revealing his favorite

2:09

favorite albums that he has ceylon and

2:11

like I said given his role of

2:13

on A he has a lot of

2:15

choice and see the it's a brilliant

2:17

stories by in the making of these

2:19

records. Why they mean so much to

2:21

Joe: stories behind some of the songs,

2:23

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2:38

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2:42

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2:44

a special bonus episode where he goes

2:46

into a lot of things like the

2:48

backlash from joining Rainbow, the decision to

2:50

reveal all about his L, a piece

2:52

of the effects of grunge on his

2:54

career working with Invade, how he fell

2:56

about not being asked to the the

2:58

follow up the Deep Purple record Slaves.

3:00

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3:02

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Here we go was we find out the

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five albums of his that. The case for

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the most with a lot of cool

4:03

behind the scenes stories told. Please enjoy

4:05

this chat with children! Turner. Was.

4:09

My pleasure to welcome back this a jewel Santa.

4:12

Fe. Involves good to reconnect with you indeed

4:14

is nice to tell was a again show and

4:16

the reason we've got you back is for am

4:18

a very interesting feature Gone Cold my Fi saber.

4:20

It's where we get people to choose this guy

4:22

favorite by the songs or albums that they've words

4:24

on. So there will begin with number one and

4:27

and your first choice and which one is in.

4:30

Rainbows, Three Between the Eyes and I

4:32

chose that album for small. I think

4:34

it's a great album but to me

4:37

it's a the album where we actually

4:39

were finding ourselves as far as a

4:41

band and as far as writers. With

4:44

this new sound that Rainbow was

4:46

good creating on his been told

4:48

many times and which was looking

4:50

for commercial success. He. Was

4:52

good. Be radio friendly material and

4:55

this is where I come in

4:57

to to supply that specifically a

4:59

zero a meal. The era with

5:02

deal was meeting you know, but

5:04

it was a different era that

5:06

really wanted to keep separate from.

5:09

What he was doing with this rainbow and

5:11

now I'm straight between the eyes we really

5:14

came together on this is who we are.

5:16

This is whalebone. And I think

5:18

it working in life situations as well

5:20

as on the records. So I have

5:22

to say Street between the eyes, Death

5:24

Valley Drivers Stone Cold Bring home at

5:26

night. You know, Miss Mistreated. I mean

5:28

all the song started to come together

5:30

when we are in Canada. And.

5:33

Them for me. It just

5:35

seemed like while we found ourselves. and

5:38

like com do some elites he was writing

5:40

they songs. Mean. Of care now

5:42

my are. Come. On. Yet.

5:45

great songs and to school by t death valley

5:47

driver in stone cold and you mentioned of the

5:49

bridge he was looking for the commercial success especially

5:51

in america so those ones were big head since

5:54

and stone cold was it was a big hit

5:56

in america as well so how did richie to

5:58

react to that are getting those those his and

6:00

not success. Well, this is what

6:02

he wanted. And when

6:04

we started to chart with that song, I think

6:06

he was just elated. He just said, we're on

6:08

the right track. You know, this is exactly what

6:11

we set out to do. But

6:15

also not to be diminished by writing something

6:17

like Eyes of Fire, which I think is

6:19

one of the heavier rainbow tracks that at

6:21

least I was involved with,

6:23

which showed that we could do

6:26

that. You know, we could

6:28

do something that long, that heavy, that epic.

6:31

But at the same time, he was extremely interested. As

6:33

long as we have one or two hits off the

6:35

record, fine. Then we can go into

6:37

stuff like that, you know. Yeah. Hour

6:40

and songs like that. Of course, Richie was very

6:42

happy. It's what he wanted. Yeah,

6:45

good stuff. And just a song that you mentioned earlier

6:47

tearing out my heart. I mean, that is slower. It's

6:49

heavier. It's got a darker feel to it as

6:52

well. So what do you remember of writing and putting that one together?

6:55

Honestly, I was up

6:58

in San Savar right outside Montreal.

7:00

We were in the big bandhouse.

7:04

And I took a small little cabin off

7:06

the lake because

7:09

I knew there was going to be a lot

7:11

of chaos going on in the big house. I

7:13

would go to the big house for meals and

7:15

for, you know, just

7:17

hanging out with the guys. But I would

7:20

always return back to my little cabin where

7:22

I could sit down, light a candle, just

7:25

write because you need a certain amount of

7:27

silence when you do that. And

7:30

I was actually writing out, tear it

7:32

out of my heart. And I started

7:34

to get bombarded with like snowballs and

7:37

whatever they could find, you know, just to

7:39

disturb me. And it became quite

7:41

funny because after a while, because we all

7:43

ended up on the ice and skating and

7:46

playing a little hockey and so on. But

7:49

that interrupted my first draft of

7:51

tearing out my heart. But

7:53

in a way, it was good to take that breather, return

7:56

to it late at night, burn the

7:58

candle, and the lyrics came out. Fantastic.

8:02

And just in terms of Rainbow and your

8:04

time with the group in general, I mean,

8:06

obviously you mentioned the D.O. era and it's

8:08

obviously hugely successful in what it did, and

8:10

then Graham came along and then you came

8:12

along and the commercial success kind of evolved

8:15

from that in America. So did you receive

8:17

any backlash from fans about the way the

8:19

sound changed? Any

8:23

backlash? I

8:25

received nothing but backlash. No,

8:27

actually it was a lot of backlash. But

8:30

I think that happens when anybody new

8:32

comes into an established band that

8:35

the old guard really resents the

8:37

new guard and you

8:39

know the old adage that people don't like

8:41

change. And that's

8:44

okay because it was a completely different sound

8:46

we were going for. Anyway, we were not

8:49

trying to be comparative in any way. So

8:52

yes, received a lot of backlash and

8:54

I always just kept saying we are

8:56

not you know the D.O. era. We're

8:59

something else. We're more, yes, are we

9:01

more commercial? Yes, we are. We want

9:03

to be. That's what we want.

9:05

We want to get our songs on the

9:07

radio. We want to be on the MTV.

9:09

That's what we want. Okay. I mean, I'll

9:12

always be thankful and appreciative of Richie

9:14

for giving me that

9:16

opportunity and also giving

9:19

me the opportunity to live up to it.

9:22

Giving me the freedom and the support that

9:25

I needed in order to get

9:27

over all of the, shall

9:29

we say, flashback from the D.O. era and

9:31

the Pawned era and things like that. So

9:35

by believing in me and saying we're on the

9:37

right track and doing the right thing, I

9:40

mean I felt very confident about

9:42

what we were doing. And of

9:45

course we saw the results of that within, I

9:47

mean we charted and we

9:50

also sold more concerts became

9:52

very popular. A lot of people don't even

9:54

know the earlier years, you know,

9:57

so it's very strange that way but at the

9:59

same time. The be was coming out,

10:01

the videos, so on and so forth.

10:03

So we're I look back. At.

10:05

Rainbow with with with great.

10:08

When the great for far too. Much.

10:11

Thanks! I mean you know and at

10:13

the same time a successful. On.

10:15

A mission, shall we say? We did what

10:18

we intended to do. Hundred.

10:20

Percent Valve Fantastic! first album Sid Caesar Joanna

10:23

Silversmith once you number two in which her

10:25

record to he chose it's as A Second.

10:29

Letter know, let's see the second the

10:31

out How To Rescue You which was

10:33

my first solo album. Okay

10:36

on the like to records

10:38

and than it's just been

10:40

nominated one of the. By

10:43

classic rock one of the great

10:45

The greatest source says the A

10:47

O R albums. Ever. Which.

10:50

Is bread was really great. Honor

10:52

a dick. Eighty Minutes, number Forty

10:55

three or something like that. So

10:57

spill in out to be nominated

10:59

like that and to be listed

11:01

I think screen on it and

11:04

it was that it did. It

11:06

was fantastic. Album A fantastic time

11:08

for me to write on speaker

11:11

producing. You don't get better than

11:13

Broil, you know. Extremely Gifted produces

11:15

an I think that album sounds

11:17

amazing to this day. The way

11:20

he. Records and and when was

11:22

he stands? Says

11:25

sells fresh and powerful. Oh.

11:28

And beats old modern technology and Ibs

11:30

we reason analog, it's time. and I

11:33

think the songs on Interstellar. The

11:35

writing was amazing or al green wood

11:37

from Foreigner the keyboard player he was

11:39

there. Are contributing to the writing

11:42

a lot A dumb. We

11:44

had a great chemistry together. So

11:46

I mean songs like Losing You

11:49

and Your Heart's Endlessly. the

11:51

and i mean i can go on and

11:53

on i think the album is just shop

11:55

for the great songs great memories for me

11:57

so i had to choose him as one

12:00

great faves. Yeah, it's not surprising at

12:02

all. And we spoke, as I

12:04

said previously, about your time coming

12:06

to an end with Rainbow and how you felt you

12:08

knew it was coming and you expected that to happen.

12:10

So with this first solo record, what was your thoughts

12:12

about producing this? Did you have offers from other bands

12:14

or was it always going to be on the cards

12:17

that you wanted to do something under your own name?

12:20

Well I had the offer from Elektra just

12:24

before Rainbow started to split up

12:27

and it was kind of put on hold. So

12:31

I immediately, when I knew that that was it

12:33

for the band, I just said immediately I'll take

12:36

the offer. And they

12:38

actually suggested Roy Thomas Baker and

12:40

he was a very expensive producer and very celebrated

12:43

producer at the time. So I

12:47

just thought I was in the catbird seat, as they say,

12:49

you know. I was really looking

12:51

forward to it. And the album came out great. We

12:53

were up at Bearsville Studios for

12:55

maybe a couple of months. And

12:59

I have to say Elektra really supported that. When

13:02

it came time to actually promote

13:05

the record though, they said they had run out of

13:07

money, at least for my

13:09

project, because Roy kind

13:12

of went over the top and spent tons

13:14

of money on

13:16

everything that he had going up

13:19

there. I mean he had a private chauffeur,

13:21

a private house on the mountain. He

13:24

was flying in people all the time. So

13:26

he was spending money like water. And

13:29

to be honest with you, I was just like

13:31

working on the songs and trying to keep my

13:33

head straight doing the vocals. So I was paying

13:35

too much attention to that. But

13:38

when we got on the board meeting,

13:40

they all said, do you realize what

13:42

you spent here? And Roy

13:45

turned around and says, well, not really. And

13:49

I had no idea. And when they named the figure, I

13:51

just, I was just

13:53

obstructed. I was just, oh

13:55

my God, really? So it was

13:57

an expensive album. Sounds great.

14:00

But the promotion, I think, fell

14:02

down a bit because of that. That's

14:04

a shame, a real shame when things like that happen,

14:06

isn't it? Just such a couple of

14:08

the tracks there, you mentioned that as well, losing you to

14:11

a great way to start a record is a

14:13

really menacing start as well to that song. So so

14:15

tell me a bit about that track in particular.

14:18

Well, that track appeared in a movie

14:20

called Blue Deville. And

14:23

which was and the video from it

14:25

actually was brilliant, really. It was us.

14:27

We were in Pecos, New Mexico. And

14:32

it was a fabulous experience because

14:36

the movie was about this

14:38

girl who was getting married

14:40

and she needed to go out and have

14:42

this bachelorette fling. And her hero

14:44

was this guy named Eric Fury, who I

14:47

played, Eric Fury. So she was

14:49

chasing the band. And then she ends

14:51

up at this one concert. And, you

14:53

know, we sort of have a tree as to

14:56

whatever you call it. So so

14:58

that was in Bert Reynolds tour bus, as a

15:00

matter of fact, which is strange. So

15:04

so that was kind of a big, a

15:07

big moment for me, you know, because I

15:09

realized what what it took to

15:11

be in an actual film, you know,

15:14

and so on. And when losing losing you still,

15:16

you can see it on YouTube, came out from

15:19

the clip of the movie. It was fantastic. It's

15:21

really well shot, really well done. And

15:24

yeah, it was a strong opener for

15:26

the album. Absolutely. No doubt about it.

15:29

You know, and the recording. I

15:31

mean, the drums are slamming it. The guitars

15:33

are ripping. Again,

15:36

Roy Thomas Baker, you know, he just

15:38

knows what he's doing. So

15:41

Absolutely. Now, obviously you have been with with Rainbow

15:44

and had success with them and Fandango before that,

15:46

but having a solo success, success in your own

15:48

name. I Mean, you were front and center in

15:50

the spotlight. It was Joel In turn that was

15:52

on the on the signs. How Did that feel,

15:55

especially by the likes of Endlessly, as you mentioned

15:57

before? That was a huge US hit, wasn't it?

16:00

So how did you feel when is your name is? use

16:02

it in the spotlight the same. Yeah, that

16:04

was the video that ended up on and T

16:06

V endlessly. Of which.

16:09

You. Know I was really fall of the

16:11

video at all but I think it

16:13

was for its time with they were

16:15

trying to imply they are a it

16:17

makes sense. But the it's

16:19

a big responsibility when you've got your the.

16:22

Up there and it's and you're not

16:24

necessarily I called it's job and turn

16:26

fans but still. John Turner was that

16:28

the focus of the whole thing. So

16:31

I learn what it, what is slated

16:33

to be responsible. You know to to

16:35

be the head of. Of. A band just

16:37

like Blackmore was because you can always throw

16:39

it over to the leader, get out. Something

16:41

went wrong or right is his throat over

16:44

to the leaders and you could walk away

16:46

from it And that was my fate. I.

16:50

Thought of thought. I did pretty good

16:52

job of it. Really? Enjoyed

16:54

it it out and we had a great

16:56

tours with math. A ranger.

16:59

Path been it's Are and a host

17:01

of other great band See then! We

17:04

learned a lot on the road and

17:06

we were super! Taliban is some live

17:08

recordings that would prove that. Yeah.

17:11

Let's move on. C record number three then and

17:13

and tell us what that one is. Thousand.

17:16

Let's go. It's Odyssey. In

17:19

their mouths thing. I

17:21

was contracted by Jim Lose.

17:23

A C P. All. The

17:26

Graham. Glasses

17:28

a friend of mine be for. He.

17:30

Sat me down at dinner one night and said

17:33

i want you to work with his guitar player.

17:36

And. I wasn't that familiar with. in

17:38

bad times they be a bit from

17:40

Alcatraz but the opposite and. And.

17:43

From Blackmore of course because I remember easy

17:45

one time building up a magazines on a

17:47

flight we were on and said this guy's

17:49

trying to be made. That

17:52

I looked at a picture of in bed

17:54

with the same pose and the white bullets

17:57

and all this I was like Oleanna and

17:59

he says. It off really think it was

18:01

quite times such as much as i knew

18:03

from being backed. By. The to move

18:05

sets me love. With. You did

18:07

with Rainbow. I want to do with

18:09

this. Got some great guitar player but

18:12

he falls down and the song department.

18:14

And I feel that a a a great

18:16

lead singer. Great. Guitar

18:19

player. It's always works in this

18:21

business. Glimmer Twins. Whether it's Do

18:23

It in a Robin Plans and

18:25

Jimmy Page Lox Richards Jagger in

18:27

Richardson is it's It's the culmination.

18:30

So someone else who are l A

18:32

for them was three or four three

18:34

four days to meet Winning Bay and

18:36

it was the most wild side never.

18:39

Because. Those were the days of. Sex.

18:41

Drugs and Rock'n'roll. Ends

18:44

and a T Sided turned around and

18:46

were like you. I think we can

18:48

get on. Of. Other time I

18:50

was ready to come back and start

18:53

the records see if had terrible accident?

18:55

a car accident? So

18:57

I didn't. I. Didn't bail out

18:59

and go back east or anything est out now.

19:02

laid. Suits. Because the

19:04

scraps were basically read the tracks,

19:06

I need to do all melody

19:08

and all lyrics. Okay, Many

19:11

bucking the hospital, trying to.

19:14

Buy. It was touch and go for a while,

19:16

but everybody might know that story by now, and

19:18

I was kind of overseeing the whole Aspens that.

19:21

So. I was the one that reported

19:23

to Polygram. When that Northridge Hospital needed

19:25

money, I had to get a wire

19:28

transfer. It's because I was the elder

19:30

so to speak. In the one responsible

19:32

out of the groom. So.

19:35

I was. Definitely. That.

19:38

Assisting in that evidence. But.

19:40

At the same time he gave me an

19:42

opportunity to sit down and just right melodies

19:44

and lyrics to all these great trap set

19:47

a booming. And then when

19:49

he finally got out, that's when we

19:51

started recording the album. And.

19:53

I think his performances on the album.

19:56

I think they're amazing to the stage

19:58

because I was lucky overplayed. Lot.

20:00

Of times he overplays on some of

20:03

these albums, but that time, for whatever

20:05

reason, I. Think he played everything

20:07

in the right place at the

20:09

right time where it should be.

20:11

An Odyssey has some really brilliant

20:13

songs on it, plus. A.

20:15

Good job that you lose! Wanted me

20:17

to do we had habits and night

20:19

which was a huge single for hims

20:22

and dream in which is an amazing

20:24

ballot. Ah I'm. There.

20:26

Was finally Rising Force, a song

20:28

that I figured he needed as

20:30

a title for the band's which

20:32

came out for Aids and these

20:34

all works in concert. So that

20:36

was another big thing the translated

20:38

into lives. So I

20:41

think again another successful read. Things.

20:44

We've. Been good to do another record with

20:46

Invaded Things prevail. You. Know. And.

20:50

That's. The way it though some time to go

20:52

with the at so how how difficult is on a

20:54

personal level and because of see working on music and

20:57

the same timings A is as he said he was

20:59

in a really really difficult place so you're thinking of

21:01

god's had made this record of gotta get this right

21:03

but as the same time the they did my name

21:05

and come out or may not be the way we

21:07

wanted to be because of what's happening, the boring they.

21:10

Were. we didn't even have was gonna happen. you

21:12

know if he was going to make it. Needless

21:15

to say, except on writings I kept on

21:17

making sure at least we have that much

21:20

of the work done it and always praying

21:22

and hoping that he would come out of

21:24

it and and we wouldn't be able to

21:26

dive right into the record you know slowly

21:28

but surely. And. Plus on

21:30

top of that I think we really

21:32

saying is a Diy getting help from

21:34

anyone else now because his manager at

21:37

times any Truman was really no help

21:39

at all. As.

21:42

He wanted to put him down

21:44

and county hospital because Northridge hospitals

21:46

have buried in Leeds an expensive

21:48

hospital. So I went down the

21:50

county hospital within eighty one day

21:52

and I i said he's not

21:54

going to say in this hospital

21:56

I looked around and. County

21:59

Hospital and. L A is basically where

22:01

people go to die and it's just

22:03

awful. You can sense it. He

22:05

was in the right place, but it was

22:08

costing an extremely large amount of my York

22:10

The advance. And. And the

22:12

is angle was. We found out later

22:15

he was taking these advances. He.

22:17

Was pocketing these advances advance. for

22:19

example he they thought he owns

22:21

his house owns his Ferrari as

22:23

well. That. Know. They

22:25

were all these that time. Because.

22:28

And it is made the

22:30

perception the fix. That.

22:33

He and. But. Actually, he was

22:35

putting a amounts of the It's Adams.

22:38

Surviving get any help from him. In

22:41

a theme is the kind of guy was

22:43

riding around in a Rolls Royce with it

22:45

seeks to see law of cocaine on the

22:47

front seat and a Forty Four Magnum on

22:50

top of it is this was crazy. We

22:52

had a habit twenty four hours curie in

22:54

front of a base house. After

22:57

we got rid of any because he was kind

22:59

of bench both. Ah, that was it. Was

23:01

a hell of a time. That sounds. Absolutely

23:06

wild and and just a search on a

23:08

couple inside them you mentioned dreaming a couple

23:10

of times. I've always liked that song is

23:12

the juxtaposition of almost flamenco guitars With this

23:15

is the soaring guitar solo and stuff in

23:17

there as well. So to sell me about

23:19

the hell that one came together. Well

23:21

as a exactly. Beautiful.

23:24

Really? I mean thing they didn't

23:26

throw. You know, on the acoustics.

23:29

And we did it lies. Mean.

23:31

And then. The. Event in the

23:34

Solar which I think is just minutes. Best.

23:36

Olives average is perfectly placed, it's

23:38

beautiful and know he probably a

23:41

debt word but it's beautiful and

23:43

down what I can remember his

23:45

said. In. Way was

23:47

playing over what I considered a

23:50

bridge. And.

23:54

I. Went back to New Jersey to

23:56

do some vocals with Cm Louis. At.

23:59

the house of music down to South Jersey. And

24:03

I said, Jim, this is a vocal bridge. And

24:06

he said, Okay, so what they did was

24:08

they just brought down the favor from

24:11

English guitar, I sang the vocal

24:13

bridge, and they brought it back

24:15

up and it worked perfectly. And

24:18

of course, in the acquiesce to it said,

24:20

Yeah, it's a great part, it makes sense.

24:23

And so that's, that's how I mean, you

24:25

know, these arrangements sometimes, you

24:27

don't even know what's going to happen,

24:29

you know, until you get there. But

24:32

that was that was a very important part of the

24:34

song, I think that that that bridge,

24:36

which just breaks it up, takes you someplace

24:38

else. And then he comes back in with

24:40

this soaring lead. Amazing. Yeah,

24:44

fabulous stuff. Let's move on to

24:46

record number four. And I'm actually really pleased that

24:48

you picked something from this this super group as

24:50

I'd to call it. Yeah,

24:53

well, you know, it's the most underrated

24:55

super crew ever, I think, you

24:58

know, I had the good fortune to

25:00

work with Jeff Watson from Night Ranger,

25:03

Bob Daseley from Aussie and everywhere,

25:05

you know, and Dio everywhere. And

25:08

of course, Carmine and piece on

25:10

drums and easily Dunbar later

25:13

on, and this particular album Fire on the

25:15

Moon easily was playing with us because Carmine

25:17

was off doing other things. But

25:22

I think these are just spectacular albums

25:24

that we put out. It'll

25:27

put out a box set in

25:29

case people don't know, but there's

25:31

a trilogy, three CDs in

25:33

a box set from Italy. And

25:37

at that point, grunge was coming out. And

25:40

it kind of just flattened everybody in rock

25:42

and roll absolutely flattened us.

25:45

And we never really got off the ground. In

25:48

fact, we never played in one live show. No,

25:50

it's not true. Well, I need one live

25:52

show. We Were all psyched up, ready to

25:54

go out. you know, let's go live and

25:57

everything. And It was just like gentlemen, excuse

25:59

me, but. There's a new

26:01

kitten sound and the scored know mama and

26:03

the celebs and we. We just looked at

26:05

each other like now what. You. Know

26:08

we've got this. Great albums, great

26:10

catalog. And it

26:12

just. says. Really? Sort

26:15

of his in the solar plexus.

26:17

you know that your breath away

26:19

was horrible and the other some.

26:21

Back to these records. I am

26:23

just amazed at the musicianship, the

26:26

riding, the lyrical messages. the contents

26:28

are bob especially on the lyrics

26:30

deny we were always being a

26:32

girl metaphysical we're we're being gum

26:34

political the geopolitical in we really

26:37

had messaging. A very

26:39

personal. A heated third,

26:41

the lonely for example of that. Record

26:43

it or you take us to. Would

26:45

I like a very personal stuff. And

26:48

other than the a Fire on the Moon

26:50

which is basically the apocalypse. In

26:53

were talking about a lot of stuff. a

26:55

politically mower, a toll. On. The French

26:57

were doing almost nuclear experiments people probably don't

26:59

even know I'm of rocks all his. But.

27:03

We. Were riding him and the other thing I

27:05

think paul is the fact that it's a very

27:07

heavy ah yes. The. Really is. You

27:09

know it's almost been else in a way.

27:12

You. Know it really has that read

27:14

and fire. No. Religion.

27:17

Again, Speaking out more into

27:19

spirituality as posed organized

27:21

religion. So.

27:24

We were. We. Were quite

27:26

something in my opinion and we at the

27:28

Bios and I still to this day think

27:30

it's one of the greatest disappointments by all

27:32

of us. That

27:34

Mother's Army says did not

27:36

slaving the it's it was

27:38

supposed to. Plus we didn't

27:40

have real management, we were

27:42

just kind of. Floundering around,

27:45

you know, and all of us had come

27:47

from big bands and everything. Think we have

27:49

a clue? And we which is

27:51

more concerned with the music. That.

27:53

We were with any kind of administration. So.

27:58

And then again. Bomb. Grunch came in

28:00

and shot us all down. So we didn't

28:03

have a chance. But here's the thing, we

28:05

just found five new

28:07

demos, which we had remastered.

28:11

Oh, wow. Yeah. There's a

28:13

deal going on with it to make

28:15

an addition to the box set.

28:18

There are some really great

28:20

songs on these five demos

28:23

that we cleaned up. They're the actual

28:25

performances and I mean, they were just

28:27

live, everything was live in the studio.

28:30

Everything. Even my vocals. I'd be in a

28:32

booth or what have you. I

28:34

do one take maybe two. But

28:37

we always were just, let's keep it live.

28:39

Let's keep it raw. Every

28:41

time you play. These five demos from the

28:43

Ainslie's period or Carmine's period or a mix?

28:46

Yes, it was from Ainslie's period. It was

28:48

from the Fire on the Moon sessions. Yeah.

28:51

So just brilliant playing by Ainslie,

28:55

amazed by all of us. These

28:58

five tracks, we said, they're really

29:00

great. So we use our

29:02

own money to just remaster them. We had

29:04

a fantastic guy out of San Francisco and

29:07

boom, he remastered everything in the sound.

29:10

They sound like very fixed up demos,

29:12

but they sound great. In

29:14

fact, I think they're better than most albums

29:17

because they're real, they're raw, they're vital. They

29:20

have that feeling to that. So

29:22

we're waiting to finalize that deal actually

29:24

right now, but not going to be

29:26

a big deal or anything. We

29:29

just want to

29:31

accredit it really. We just want to know, you

29:34

know, so that we have the satisfaction, that

29:37

we completed at least what we had started.

29:40

So Mother's Army, a great

29:42

disappointment that we never

29:45

went any further. Absolutely.

29:47

And As a Mother's Army fan, I'm looking forward

29:49

to hearing these five tracks. But You mentioned to

29:51

yourself this Fire on the Moon record, it was

29:54

heavier than the previous ones. Was that a purposeful

29:56

thing? Did You go into this record thinking we

29:58

need to do something really hard and rock? The

30:00

only. I

30:02

say another was discussed in that manner

30:04

you know like a we gotta get

30:06

any been all but it was like

30:08

a natural progression for as we have

30:10

done a concept albums you know, Planet

30:12

Earth and and the. And

30:14

she's song we said look what are we going

30:16

to do List rocks we wanted we wanna just.

30:19

Been a really hit Odds. Are

30:21

that was coming exams Kind of the style

30:24

that was coming out in a little bit

30:26

more and more. Take chances although and Sigma

30:28

the zombie sounded like anybody. I

30:30

think Mother Mary since unto itself.

30:33

It's. Not a comparison between any

30:35

band out there. Like

30:37

you play any track interviewed we sound like. Nobody.

30:40

weaselly goths, It's a

30:42

unique formula that we got. Sober.

30:45

Wasn't. Yet. Of verbal he. Like.

30:47

Flips through the so let's do that. It

30:49

just came out that way. The subject matter.

30:53

The subject matter needed this type

30:55

of real broad rock and Phantoms

30:57

a background you know at the

30:59

musically and cf of Bob and

31:01

Ainsley would come up with these

31:03

incredible rips. And. The reason why

31:05

they had a play like this? because they broke time

31:07

a lot. In the plane and for

31:09

for than they go to three four than

31:11

six a penny come back to fourth floor.

31:14

As. You can't really do that spice and

31:16

say. No. Way it. In.

31:18

Out and we were not using digital moves to use

31:21

in the scooter. So.

31:24

Lives. It was all

31:26

lives and them and amazing

31:28

band. Room. And.

31:30

Just was composed and about how you guys came

31:32

together because obviously you mentioned Ainslie, his work was

31:35

ever on. From from Bowie to Zappa to journey

31:37

this micro center and you've obviously where we reach

31:39

He and an invasion and so many other people

31:41

as well. and you bought days a year olds

31:43

are pretty incredible by catalog and migraines. your influences

31:46

in England for death and so how do you

31:48

guys come together to create this kind of record?

31:50

India have a long time or as a quick

31:52

a window the Us to sit between of the

31:55

projects. The. I wasn't really a

31:57

long time. What we would do is we go up to

31:59

what we called Sam. Once you. Just

32:01

turn the ship. Lived outside of Frisco.

32:04

Have been Maronites. Any at

32:06

in a studio up to the attic. Well

32:09

was in an attic anymore. was really

32:11

finished, beautiful and now we would say

32:13

the house at the camp. In

32:15

Alien like all more sense couple

32:17

of goats and you know who's

32:20

very nice Situation: Comfortable. And

32:22

were we will do writer right in

32:24

the living room. sometimes she'll around the

32:27

coffee table. now we take back upstairs

32:29

the storm rehearse in it or make

32:31

in amendments to it. Might have a

32:33

very comfortable situations it know when. wasn't

32:35

a long time Amy maybe we spent

32:38

a month. Which

32:40

isn't much for like ten twelve songs you

32:43

know I need to write. Songs.

32:45

Finished. You. Know right to

32:47

the finish, no way. Start to

32:49

finish to and twelve songs. Ah

32:51

I'm Bob and just did some

32:53

work previously. I have to admit

32:55

that. But. They were just

32:57

skeletons. In own just be

32:59

of owns cups type stuff. So.

33:02

We had to put it all together. Fantastic.

33:06

Stuff fascinating as well. Another says of the

33:08

mothers sinus rhythm and anyone left unchecked, I'll

33:10

fire more. A fire on the moon. Sorry

33:12

to us to go behind, You know, wanna

33:14

listen? Absolutely my. Let's move on to Adam.

33:16

Besides animals uses choice than show. Well

33:19

I had to. My. Most recent

33:21

out belly of the beasts. It is

33:23

one of my favorite albums. It's

33:26

a long time coming to get to this point when

33:28

I mean by that is. The

33:31

World Situation. My. maturity.

33:35

The situation of the business,

33:37

everything just seems to an

33:40

apex. The. Belly of the beast

33:42

came out. My. Because

33:44

my So shakes my So see a repeat

33:46

attack once had started five years before That.

33:50

And we said let's make announce gather And then

33:52

I was on the road. He was on the

33:54

road. We're both very busy. and

33:57

i remember only writing once

34:00

song with him before it

34:02

all started. And then I finally

34:04

went up to his studio in Sweden and we

34:06

wrote two more songs and then

34:09

the rest the pandemic hit and the rest was

34:11

all done virtually. You know, just

34:13

like this on Zoom and what have

34:16

you, you know, or WhatsApp

34:18

on the phone, sending

34:20

files back and forth. I'm writing

34:22

the melodies and lyrics. He's refining

34:24

the music. Yes, no, maybe so,

34:26

this kind of thing until we

34:28

finally got a whole album together.

34:31

And it is one of my

34:33

favorites simply because I set out

34:35

to make a message. I

34:37

set out to do something more artistic, something

34:40

different than what I was known for, what I

34:42

was used to, to get out of the comfort

34:44

zone a bit. But more importantly,

34:47

it's close to my heart because it's a very

34:49

personal album, personal statements. You

34:53

can actually see the original oil painting

34:55

behind me from the cover. And

34:58

I had seen that two years, I think it was

35:01

a year and a half before the actual album came

35:03

out and I knew that was the cover. A friend

35:06

of mine painted that, it's a brilliant painter.

35:09

And I said that has to be the cover of the album.

35:12

So while that sat here and I was writing it,

35:14

it was a great inspiration as well because I knew

35:16

I had to stay on track with

35:18

exactly what I was trying to say. It disturbed

35:21

some people, which is good because

35:24

art should never

35:27

make you comfortable, should

35:29

always wake you and shake you.

35:32

For example, I forget who it

35:34

was, whether it was Voltaire or

35:36

someone who said, it should disturb

35:38

and confuse to

35:41

a degree. So you'll never forget

35:43

it. You may love it, you may hate it, but you'll

35:45

never forget it. And that's what great

35:47

art is. In other words, Belly

35:49

of the Beast is not a landscape. As

35:52

far as art goes, it's a real

35:55

piece. It's a real art piece

35:57

like this is disturbing this

35:59

painting. It's disturbing when you really look

36:01

at it. It gives you

36:04

all kinds of images in your mind. It

36:06

certainly does. It certainly does. And something

36:09

I like to do is read out reviews to people

36:11

and get their reactions because the Belly of the Beast

36:13

had some incredible reviews. I'll just read a couple. Classic

36:15

Rocks' Louder Sound said, JoLynn Turner has made a thrilling

36:17

and intense heavy metal album. Metal Talk

36:20

said, blown away by this album, it's sheer perfection.

36:22

And Metal Chaos gave it 10 out of 10,

36:24

saying this album is the biggest surprise of the

36:26

year. So how do you feel when all

36:28

this time has passed? And you've done so much in the

36:30

business and you release a record like this that's so personal,

36:32

so close to you, and you get that kind of response?

36:37

Yeah, it was overwhelming. I

36:39

have to say, I was on edge because

36:42

it was really a big

36:44

change for me and I knew it would be. But

36:47

thank God for my fans, they always stick with

36:49

me. But as far as the critics, and

36:52

they can be pretty tough,

36:54

I was very surprised. And

36:57

when I started to read these reviews, I was

37:01

stunned for a while because I just said, I

37:04

agree. I believe this is really

37:06

in many ways almost a masterpiece

37:09

from beginning to end. And

37:13

I felt that way in my heart and soul. I

37:15

really felt that way. The work that I put in,

37:17

that Peter put in, we really felt

37:19

strong about this record. And

37:21

to hear that come back at you. In

37:24

fact, there

37:26

was one critic, one journalist too, who

37:29

hit it so perfectly on the nose.

37:33

I actually saved his review and I

37:36

wrote a

37:39

summation of what I felt. He

37:41

hit every point that I

37:43

felt about this album exactly.

37:45

He interpreted every lyric exactly

37:47

as I meant it. I've

37:51

heard some things on YouTube where these guys had no

37:53

idea what I was talking about. Nothing.

37:56

And that's okay. But it was so far off

37:58

the mark. someone who

38:00

absolutely knew what I was trying to say,

38:02

what I was trying to get across, exactly

38:07

was just phenomenal to me. But

38:09

there's also redeeming. It

38:12

was very redeeming because

38:14

I said, okay, you know, Goethe had

38:16

a great German poet Goethe had a

38:19

statement to say that if there's one

38:21

person in the world who understands it

38:23

makes this earth garden. And

38:25

that was my garden. Because

38:28

I said he gets it. The

38:30

athletes were great, but this guy just nailed

38:33

it. So yeah,

38:35

I'm more

38:37

than pleased, obviously, I'm elated. But

38:40

at the same time, you know,

38:42

if they think you have to make the same

38:44

album over again, you don't.

38:47

And you really shouldn't. But

38:50

at the same time to make this record over

38:52

again would be I think

38:54

it would lessen its importance, you know, and

38:57

as an artist, I don't really want to repeat it,

39:00

you know, because I meant to

39:02

move on with this record. And

39:04

now at this stage, in

39:07

my life and in my career, I probably

39:11

could do anything I want, really.

39:14

And I just had a conversation with the president

39:16

of mascot. And he said, just make the record

39:18

you want to make. And

39:20

I said, Well, what about this? And what about critics?

39:22

And what about people slacking me off? And

39:24

while he is, do you really give a shit? And I said,

39:26

No, he was,

39:28

I've never heard this from a record company

39:31

exec. I love the guy. And

39:33

I said, No, I really don't. Because he

39:35

said, we'll make the record you want. Screw

39:37

everybody. And I said, Well, you know,

39:39

I'm writing a lot of the kind of

39:42

cool AR songs again. You

39:44

know, I never stopped that AR stuff. You

39:46

know, it's one of my first loves, you

39:49

know, and he said, Well, go

39:52

that direction. Do what you want.

39:55

You know, I said, OK, so I'm still finding

39:57

out the direction after the next album. Because

40:00

I have songs written here this way and I have

40:02

songs written this way. Songwriter writes.

40:06

So I really don't know where I'm going to end up, but

40:08

wherever I end up, I've got

40:10

people to support me. And

40:13

that's my fans. They stick with

40:15

you. They can think. They're

40:18

wonderful. I owe them everything, really. And

40:21

do you have a timeframe in mind for... You get

40:23

excited here talking about new music. Is there a timeframe

40:25

for when we could get to hear any of this?

40:28

Well, fingers crossed for 25. Fingers

40:32

crossed. But we'll see. Because this...

40:34

You know, I'm a new father again. So

40:38

I'm spending a lot of time with my

40:40

son and it's just my

40:42

number one priority in life right now. You

40:44

know, I've already got two grandchildren. Two

40:47

grandchildren. But this little guy,

40:49

he is just a blessing.

40:52

So it's taking up my time and I want it

40:54

to take up my time. Because

40:57

I intend to make a productive and

40:59

creative human being. And

41:03

that is the greatest... I

41:06

think it's better than

41:08

any song I've ever written, better than

41:10

any band I've ever been in. This

41:12

is something really special. Because

41:15

before, for example, with my daughter, I was always

41:17

on the road. I'd

41:19

come back and she'd look at me like, are you

41:21

my daddy? Yeah, that's me. So

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this one I can actually put some time into.

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And it's just thrilling for me

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to be able to do that. So

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I'm hoping 25 will get the album out. But

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there's a lot of distance in the

41:37

world situation between now and then. So

41:39

we'll see what happens. So there you go.

41:42

Joe Lynn Turner there. I love these My 5

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Favour interviews. I've got a few more recorded already

41:46

and up my sleeve. Some great ones

41:48

I know you're going to love, so keep an eye out

41:50

for those. And don't forget, special

41:52

bonus episode this week, Joe answering your

41:54

questions too. That's going to be out

41:56

on Friday and it's well, well worth

41:58

a listen, I promise. Also,

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make sure you check out VRP Rocks Radio, give it

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42:37

I've done with all these brilliant rock stars

42:39

from over the years. Right, so that's it

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for this week's My 5 favourite episode and

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don't forget, another one with Joel and Turner

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coming out this Friday. So until

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then, take care.