I talk with Mike Jenney of Alter Der Ruine and Assemblage 23 about learning from the shadow self, performance as a gateway to the spiritual experience, random acts of kindness, and gratitude. We reminisce about our youth and I tell the story of how I survived falling to the bottom of a missile silo. Mike's a luminous dude and it was a pleasure. He'll be back and we'll get weirder. 

Check out ADR's new EP Doom Soother, out now, and if your dog is metal, check out Beelzebuddies!

Opening music: "Keep Going" by Jonathan Ray

Closing music: "Lights" by Alter der Ruine

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