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2:00

Hello? Hi,

2:12

it's been a while. Welcome to the

2:14

Parkdale Haunt, one year post-mortem. And

2:17

as a last revisit to the show, myself,

2:19

Emily, and Ian sat down to take burning questions,

2:22

quandaries, and thoughts from listeners. If

2:24

this is the first thing of ours that you've ever listened

2:27

to, welcome, and I'm glad that you're here,

2:29

but that's probably not the best idea,

2:31

because most of this will not make

2:33

sense and also this is not a spoiler-free

2:36

zone. I'd recommend going back to season

2:38

one and starting there. I'm sure you'll have a good time.

2:41

If not, then hi. Great to see you again. I'm

2:44

doing this intro because we did not do

2:46

a great job of introducing the actual episode

2:49

as you will soon see, but keep listening for

2:51

our thoughts on the show and a small hint of

2:53

what we're planning next.

2:55

One, two, three... How

3:00

are you? I

3:04

do this today. Oh

3:08

my God. I win. Whatever

3:10

beer you have with you. Whoever comes

3:12

first. Oh my God. Oh,

3:16

hi, guys. Any beer company sponsor

3:18

us. Yeah. Hit us up. We're

3:21

here. We drink beer. We're

3:23

here. We're going to drink beer. We're here.

3:26

We enjoy to drink beer. We're covered in

3:28

tears. We're going to be shopping this

3:30

chance at the moment. We're

3:33

trying so hard. The offers still stand. Yeah. Hell,

3:37

man. If you want sad weirdos,

3:39

let's do this. Sponsor me, please. Wow, what a good

3:41

pitch, Alex. You

3:46

know from experience that I am not

3:48

allowed to pitch any shows. Bulletproof,

3:50

guys. Yeah. Here's a fun story for everyone.

3:53

Alex and I were at Fan Expo

3:55

and we had flyers for the show and we were passing

3:57

them out.

3:59

Hey listen to my podcast, it's

4:02

stressful! I yelled

4:04

at people with beer in my nose.

4:06

It's like, Alex,

4:08

that's not the sound. That's

4:11

not the pitch. I'm chasing

4:13

them down.

4:16

This is how I remember it. Listen

4:18

to my stressful podcast. Oh

4:26

my God. In

4:32

my defense, I did not yell.

4:35

I am terrible at selling stuff. It's

4:41

stressful part of the sale though. It is

4:43

real. That's when you stopped

4:46

me from talking to people. Oh

4:51

my God. Welcome back to Parkdale Haunt.

4:54

The post-mortem episode. It's

4:57

been a year. Holy shit. Oh my gosh.

5:00

Good Lord. Are we old

5:02

now? We are old now. That

5:04

was when we started. I'm older.

5:07

Oh no. I've

5:09

seen people say that Parkdale

5:12

Haunt is... I saw something that went online that Parkdale Haunt

5:14

is like an older podcast

5:16

because all the people on it are old and I was like,

5:18

damn. We are in our

5:21

mid to late 30s. Excuse me. I'm in

5:23

my early 30s. All right. Fine. Thank

5:26

you. Very much. You want to brag about it a little

5:28

bit more? Ian's holding it down on

5:30

the other end. The rope's getting

5:32

shorter, guys. We've got to

5:34

finish this before he turns 40. I

5:38

can't afford that many new balance. Oh

5:42

fuck. I know what your birthday present's going to be. Can

5:45

it be new balances? Yes. I really need some

5:47

new ones. Yeah, but it kind of looks

5:49

like those white dad ones. Oh please, yeah.

5:52

Yeah, hell yeah. I mean, I guess we

5:54

do talk about our lower backs a

5:56

lot. Oh my God. Like in pains we're

5:58

having. so much.

6:01

Oh, nice. I guess we are old. We are old. It

6:04

was baked in there. Yeah. We

6:06

started this and we were so much younger and then

6:08

God, we predicted the future. Oh,

6:11

the... I was in my late

6:13

20s when we started, you guys. Oh my God.

6:16

Oh my goodness. We

6:19

started this in 20... was it 2018 or 2019 that we started

6:21

writing? Oh, that

6:23

we started writing. I could have been 2018. Maybe the

6:25

end of the year. I was 18 and started writing and we started

6:27

recording. 2019, yeah. It

6:30

was pre the shutdown of the world. Yeah,

6:33

okay. So, we... yeah. We

6:35

were all... I was... So

6:38

young, so nice. 31 when

6:42

we started.

6:44

How old? Anyway. We're

6:47

not that old, this fucking thing. Yeah, yeah. I feel

6:50

old. I feel like my bones are fucking dust at this

6:52

point, but like, whatever. Um,

6:55

oh, this is the Parkville

6:57

Haunt postmortem. That's one year later after

7:00

our last episode. Yeah, we started

7:02

off real hot with crackin' beers and then we were

7:04

just talking about how fucking old we are. My bones

7:06

hurt. It's fucking really...

7:08

went downhill quick. We did not. Everyone

7:11

have a fucking sip. Oh, yeah. Let's

7:13

keep this energy up here, guys. Mm-hmm.

7:16

Oh my God. All right. I think

7:18

I want to start this. Yeah, you're gonna... Oh, my back's

7:20

out. Oh my God. I'm done. Who

7:23

brought the ice pack? Oh my God. You

7:26

and Justin Tigerbox. I gotta

7:28

carry him home. Jesus. Um,

7:31

no. I think I want to start by

7:33

talking about the Parkville Haunt that never was, because

7:36

there was lots of things that never made it into

7:39

the show. Um,

7:41

we had lots of amazing ideas. Emily and I spent

7:43

a lot of time sitting around chatting

7:45

about stuff we could put in the show, and there's so

7:47

much stuff that never made it in. But

7:50

I found the original

7:52

description that we had come up with

7:55

way back, and

7:57

you can see where

7:59

the... actual where the show that we ended up with came

8:02

from but like the original description has

8:04

this like much darker vibe

8:07

that I'm like glad

8:09

we didn't go with can I read it yeah

8:11

yeah I

8:13

have a copy Emily has copy Ian does

8:15

not sorry and you just get to do for

8:18

me it's new for you never heard that somewhere that it's

8:20

the episodes are 15 minutes long all

8:23

right all right so last one

8:25

okay I had to get one more no I'm gonna I'm

8:27

gonna make you the pillow that you can that says

8:29

this episode 50 minutes long you could smother

8:32

me with every time I present you screaming

8:34

to murder you don't murder Alex we need her copy the original

8:43

description and this is like it's like pretty close

8:45

to where we ended up but there's like I feel like there's a there's

8:47

a real you turn at one point all

8:50

right Judith and Claire are lifelong

8:52

best

8:52

friends who work at MMC in downtown

8:55

Toronto Claire inherits a rundown house

8:57

in Parkdale after the death of her biological grandparents

9:00

she moves in after a breakup with her live-in

9:02

ex Adam Claire wants to sell the house

9:04

immediately but Judith convinces Claire to

9:06

work with her on a renovation podcast as they fix

9:09

up and flip the Parkdale home at this point we're still

9:11

in the same sort of like ballpark as

9:13

work begins on the house they begin to realize that

9:15

there is more to these walls than they could have imagined

9:18

Claire finds a secret basement full of boxes

9:20

and starts going through the files recordings and videos

9:23

and learning more about her biological family

9:25

and in the dark secrets that they kept

9:28

stranger and stranger things start to happen

9:30

around the house Claire is becoming

9:33

more and more jumpy and paranoid and becomes convinced

9:35

that her ex is trying to break into the house at

9:38

night and is making noises and moving things

9:40

around to fuck with her sanity curveball

9:42

Judith gets increasingly concerned as Claire's drinking

9:45

increases and Claire

9:46

starts showing up late and disheveled to work if

9:49

she shows up at all

9:50

the season ends with a disappearance of Claire

9:52

and do this discovery of a bunch of blood and

9:55

Adams

9:55

condo in New York and North York not

9:57

New York

9:59

I

10:02

think it's pretty

10:03

similar but it's just the vibe was

10:05

darker and there's no mention of Owen.

10:08

No, that's the first thing I noticed is that there is

10:10

no Owen in this original. So I was still

10:12

at work this whole time. That

10:17

could have been resolved. Yes, it could have been.

10:20

It could have been in New York.

10:23

Having pizza. Going to the... Ooh,

10:25

a nice big old lock. Genius. Gotta go

10:27

for a fun time. Yeah, that is the first

10:29

time I've heard that. That's

10:32

a bit... I mean, all the... What

10:35

do you call them? Goalposts are there. Right?

10:38

But the vibe is quite

10:42

a little bit different, especially at the end. It

10:44

ends with a murder mystery almost

10:47

and less paranormal

10:49

and more like, oh, we think Claire's

10:52

been murdered kind of thing. Yeah.

10:55

Or Adam's been murdered or both of them have

10:57

been murdered. Someone's blood has been

10:59

spilled in New York. Someone's fucking dead. I don't

11:02

remember who we originally... I

11:04

think I thought that Claire murdered

11:06

Adam. That's usually where I go to. Yeah.

11:09

You're talking through storyline. I mean, I'd listen to that.

11:11

So the woman is homicidal.

11:15

And we have yellow wallpaper all the way through.

11:18

Whatever shows

11:20

up the blood better. Yeah,

11:23

no, I think originally

11:26

there was a lot of stuff that we cut

11:28

because it was much darker in

11:30

that original thing. And also the biggest change is

11:32

that Claire disappears at the end of

11:34

season one, not at the start. That's

11:38

really the largest change. Yes. The two

11:40

different timelines that we ended up going with. I

11:42

think we had a much stronger

11:45

thing where it starts with Claire

11:47

just not being there. I remember you and

11:50

I coming up with the two timelines when we were, I think,

11:52

yeah, sitting on the couch drinking beers and then we were like, there

11:54

could be two timelines. And both of

11:56

us were like, pshh. Oh my

11:58

God. Yeah, I have like... like so

12:01

many docs in my fucking

12:03

Google Drive that are just so...

12:06

like season one, just a

12:09

disaster pile of documents

12:11

of ideas that we had. And I

12:13

think, yeah, it's really fascinating

12:16

to go back through that stuff and to look at things

12:18

that we didn't do. And I think that there

12:21

are three things

12:23

that I'm very glad that we changed

12:26

originally in season

12:28

one especially,

12:30

the first one is that

12:31

originally before we

12:34

really got Ian on... before I went to you, Ian,

12:36

Owen was a much more minor character

12:38

and he never left the booth. I

12:40

just see a note here that says, Owen

12:43

dies midway through episode

12:46

three or season three? Season three.

12:48

When did we say that? We talked about that at one point. I made

12:50

it through. You did! You did! Spoiler

12:53

alert. If you're listening

12:55

to the show, I don't know what's happening. We

12:58

should probably give a spoiler alert off the top.

13:01

Spoiler alert for the whole season.

13:04

If you're listening to the first... I mean, it is a post-mortem. Yeah,

13:06

if you listen to the first, this is on you. Oh,

13:09

Agra. Yes, no,

13:11

you're right. Because we

13:13

were talking about who was going to die

13:16

in season three, I remember. Ian,

13:18

have I ever sent you, Ian, there

13:21

is another ending and there's an ending where you're

13:24

Judas and Owen die. Oh, yeah. Did

13:26

I send you that? Yeah, you did. Yeah, where

13:28

they die at the end and Claire

13:30

survives. And

13:32

yeah, if you're listening, that exists. We never recorded

13:35

it, obviously, but I wrote multiple versions

13:37

to see what would feel right. Yeah, we went back and forth

13:39

with that. Yeah, because I think

13:41

we did the right choice. I liked where we

13:43

ended up. I think so too. But there is the version

13:46

where Judas and Owen die. And

13:48

yeah, but yeah, originally, I think before

13:51

I was really sure that Ian was in, it

13:53

was like,

13:54

Owen's kind of got to be like, I

13:56

don't know how much he's going to be involved. And I'm really

13:59

glad.

13:59

that you were

14:02

a part of this and that you wanted to be like into

14:04

it and that Owen was a bigger character because

14:07

Owen's great. Oh, thank you. Yeah It

14:09

was it was such a blast to do like

14:12

just amazing. Yeah Much

14:14

appreciated.

14:15

I think a similar thing happened with both

14:17

Owen and a bird Yes,

14:20

which is that they were both supposed to be

14:22

small characters bit parts And then we

14:25

just fell in love with the characters and

14:27

of course the people behind them And then

14:29

we all became best friends

14:30

You

14:33

know, Owen and a bird were playing

14:35

D&D together next thing we knew I

14:37

don't know. It's amazing.

14:40

I love it. Oh Yeah,

14:43

no, there is there is a lot of that stuff. Yeah,

14:46

we talked about killing off a bird in

14:48

season one and then I'm yeah He was originally supposed

14:50

to die season one. So glad that he didn't. Yeah,

14:53

we couldn't how could we so much fun? God

14:57

yeah, and I think yeah, there's

14:59

there's

14:59

those and I think just having the show just

15:01

be darker overall Mm-hmm like

15:03

in a more realistic way like it's pretty dark at points,

15:06

but like just having it be more like

15:09

grounded

15:11

Awful

15:12

and I'm glad that we were able to

15:14

have something that there's moments of like real levity

15:17

in it That's pretty fun That was like

15:19

a lot of fun to do and I just

15:21

had so much fun sitting in the booth with you guys

15:23

and just being like absolute dipshit

15:28

Absolutely, I'm so much

15:30

fun. Yeah. No, there is a lot there

15:32

is a lot of dumb stuff Just

15:35

a couple things that never made it into the show

15:37

that I think are fine One of them is the PDH

15:40

prequel I see PDH as

15:42

if like Parkdale haunt Alex

15:44

got so mad at me when I pitched We

15:47

were at a pub and she

15:49

was like Emily prequels

15:51

like a prequel are you kidding me? It was

15:54

for the live episode. We were discussing what

15:56

to do for the live episode and I wish

15:59

I wish there was a photo of I

16:01

was lying in the booth like

16:04

and all you would have seen in my arms shooting up

16:06

like no Emily we're not doing a

16:09

prequel we're not doing

16:11

it and you're like hear me out

16:13

they go caving they

16:17

are scary and I fully agree but

16:20

we're doing a cave episode of something

16:23

in the future FYI and face belongings

16:28

get ready to be trapped

16:30

under something I should

16:32

have thought that one coming

16:35

I stuck in a cave now

16:37

yeah he is because there's nothing nothing

16:40

I like my doing more than just being like Ian

16:42

it's peril time copy

16:44

that oh so sorry insert

16:46

beer crack sound effect yeah

16:50

yeah there is episode 16

16:53

when possessed Claire and

16:55

Adam are like they they corner a bird

16:58

originally that scene was going to

17:00

involve someone Claire can think

17:02

someone to do tons of coke and

17:05

then that guy drowns himself great

17:07

great oh it was a scene

17:14

exists and I wrote it but it was a little

17:16

much so I like where we knit it out where the

17:19

diss on the bluff but that scene was like

17:21

all those like real it was originally

17:23

at a pool bar yeah it was that it was that

17:25

cabana pool bar yeah yeah it's

17:27

you're welcome cabana pool bar for not doing

17:29

that Claire not showing ice a

17:31

free ticket exactly I be

17:34

drips in season two yeah

17:39

there I've entire scene where truth and own go paddle

17:41

boarding and then Claire shows up and tried

17:44

to drown them I thank you for making

17:46

me not sound design but we did

17:48

we did get the water moment in the finale with

17:50

yes happy about because

17:55

I was talking about how I wanted water

17:57

so badly yeah so we did get it yes

18:00

did get that around that period of place. That was super

18:02

fun to do that one. Yes. Oh, yeah. And then

18:04

we all got lightheaded. Oh, my god.

18:06

A little recording, Matt. God, there are so many things

18:08

that I think just like what I I'm going

18:10

to ask a question now before we even get any further,

18:13

which is like what is the most physically demanding

18:15

scene you did? Because I think we

18:17

all had moments where you're like, I think this

18:19

is the thing that breaks me.

18:22

Episode 20. Oh,

18:25

that was that

18:26

was the entirety of the entire show.

18:28

Yeah, that one. That one's the basement

18:30

episode for those at home.

18:34

It was keeping score. That episode was that

18:36

was physically demanding. It was emotionally

18:39

demanding. That is one of the only

18:41

episodes in season three that we recorded in full

18:43

together. Everything else was recorded

18:46

mostly

18:46

separately.

18:49

Except for that one, that was one of the very few

18:51

and most of the finale, except

18:54

for the ending, which even

18:56

I recorded during work,

18:58

our bosses listening, turn it off right now.

19:02

We did this at work one day, and I

19:04

can only imagine what anyone walking

19:06

by that studio would have heard. Mostly

19:09

me yelling at the end. They were probably just like,

19:11

oh,

19:12

they're in there.

19:14

Well, I remember we did the whole scene,

19:16

and I was like fully like so,

19:19

so

19:20

emotional. And then I had to go do something

19:22

at my desk. And

19:25

I went over to my desk, and one of our

19:27

coworkers saw me, and she went, are you OK? And

19:29

I was like, I'm fine. I'm doing great.

19:32

Like just like red eyed.

19:35

Yeah. So fucked up.

19:39

Yeah, there was a lot of stuff in season two. We cut

19:41

like Claire doing a skincare line.

19:42

I would like to bring

19:45

back this one season two plot line that

19:47

we thought about because someone theorized it online.

19:49

I thought

19:50

it was good, which was Claire being pregnant at

19:52

the end of season one. Because

19:54

we talked a lot about that.

19:55

Demon baby.

19:58

Well, demon baby.

19:59

And also we were looking at Moloch,

20:02

our demon, and

20:04

there was a whole thing attached to

20:06

the Moloch lore about infant sacrifice.

20:09

So we were like, well that would make sense by

20:11

they're bringing young women into

20:14

this fold, into this cult, because they're trying to do a mass sacrifice,

20:16

and then we were like,

20:17

ooh.

20:19

Mass sacrifice of babies being

20:21

the end goal? It's

20:22

gonna be a bit much. But did we

20:24

want to go there? Oh my god. So

20:26

we did it. That

20:29

one person on Twitter who theorized it, and I don't

20:31

remember who she was, but anyway. Whoever

20:33

you are, you were on the money, but

20:36

we did not do it, but we discussed it a lot.

20:39

Claire meeting her dad, we never did that. We

20:41

were just talking about it, and he almost sucked

20:43

ass. You and I talked about it a bunch, and

20:45

then at the end we were like, Claire's dad, just

20:48

some dude, fuck that guy, who cares? We

20:50

were like, you know what, he's not important. He's

20:52

a dumb dude. There was so much

20:56

lore that got deleted. I

20:58

went through one time, I remember, and I

21:00

wrote all this stuff, and then I went, none

21:03

of this fucking matters, and I deleted pages of like,

21:08

Judas and Owen discussing fucking lore

21:10

stuff, and I was like, none of this matters, it's

21:12

just Exodus. But it does matter. It does

21:14

matter, and we know. It shows up in

21:17

your writing and the conviction of

21:20

how the characters say the things that they're saying, is

21:23

there is background to it. Yes. It

21:25

doesn't necessarily come out in the episodes,

21:28

but I think that, I'm just trying to compliment

21:30

you here quickly. It does create

21:32

this richness of backstory that

21:39

you can feel when you're listening.

21:41

It doesn't necessarily have to be in there, but it's

21:44

there. So anyway, that's it. Thank you, thank you. Yes,

21:46

it was a lot

21:48

of exposition that wasn't needed. So

21:51

that was the civic shortcut, and I think that it's stronger

21:53

for not having all this

21:56

stuff where it's like. Do you remember though,

21:58

our endless conversation had

22:00

about the lore. Like, it

22:02

was at your place and we were both getting

22:05

so confused. Like, our heads were hurting

22:07

so much and we went through it for so,

22:09

I feel like, an hour. Yes, yes. I

22:11

know exactly which night you're talking about and

22:13

we spent like five

22:16

hours just being like, wait, wait,

22:18

hang on. Okay, so like,

22:21

how many people have to be sacrificed? Yeah,

22:24

exactly. Just going through it and I think that

22:27

like, I think that with horror there's like

22:29

this really fine line to walk when

22:31

it comes to like, how much you

22:34

want to tell the audience. Like,

22:36

you need to give something or else then you're just like, what's

22:38

happening? What? Huh?

22:41

But if you give

22:43

too much, it like, completely nukes

22:45

the story and all of the tension. Yeah,

22:48

I feel like it's like, we followed

22:50

a set of internal rules that

22:53

like,

22:54

our audience didn't necessarily

22:56

know, but we knew. So, we were always

22:58

consistent to

22:59

our own internal set of rules when

23:01

it came to the lore. You know what I mean? And

23:04

that is what was important, not the

23:06

like, endless exposition. Yes, yeah,

23:09

yeah, yeah. I think it's so easy to get caught

23:11

up in like, trying to over explain yourself

23:13

and then I'm like, if you just trust

23:16

your audience to understand

23:17

and if they get it, then they get it

23:19

and if they don't, then they're going to post a really weird

23:22

review of your show. Listen, there

23:24

is just a

23:26

possessed singing fish.

23:28

I don't know. Don't worry about it. I love

23:30

the fish. I too love the fish. Everyone

23:33

loves the fish. Everyone loves the fish.

23:37

Thank you, Phil. Thank you, Phil Wright, for

23:39

all of your random bits of music that appear

23:41

in the show, the

23:43

theme and the fish and Phil

23:46

did all the music in the finale. Yep.

23:48

That's the big one. And I think my

23:50

direction to him was John Carpenter?

23:53

Yep. That was so

23:55

fun to mix. Oh, I could imagine. Just

23:58

throwing it through the...

24:00

The stadium.

24:01

Oh, that was that way. And whatnot.

24:04

Yeah, I always think about the

24:06

finale. I always think about the fact that so we recorded

24:09

all of Park Hill Haunt at our

24:11

original studio. That

24:14

is now a pile of rubble that doesn't exist anymore.

24:17

Soon to be a condo. Soon to be a condo. Nothing

24:20

to do with the podcast. Nothing to do with the podcast. I

24:22

think we cursed it. I'm so sorry. No,

24:25

but and then one

24:26

of the last you told me in that one of the last things

24:28

that was recorded there was the sound

24:30

of the hands on the glass in the

24:34

the series finale. That

24:36

that was that was you slamming your hands

24:39

into the divider, the

24:41

glass in the studio. Yep.

24:43

And I think about that when I like think

24:45

about that episode of like that's one of the last things

24:48

that got recorded there. And we

24:50

did everything in that studio for three

24:52

years. And then that place is now rubble. RIP.

24:57

Yeah. Should we go to

24:59

questions? Yes,

25:01

I think. Yeah, I think that like there's a lot

25:03

of like fun

25:04

stuff that we didn't do. Clear

25:07

eating the bird.

25:08

Like

25:09

I feel like I've I keep

25:12

I keep bringing up the bird. I just want to eat a bird.

25:15

I really want to eat a bird. One

25:17

thing that didn't make it into the podcast

25:19

was any corvids. Oh, my God. OK,

25:22

we've got to talk about the fucking crows. Because

25:26

this is a thing we can't talk about the crow. We're

25:28

going to talk about the crow. You're not getting away with

25:30

Ian with this. Tell you what the crows

25:32

tell you about the crow. There are so many

25:34

delicious, myistic

25:37

crows

25:37

boring and swirling

25:40

between the lines of dialogue.

25:44

Episode 17. It was overkill,

25:46

man. I get it. Episode 17. The

25:49

episode, what I called Judas Flight from Valerian.

25:53

Flight, right?

25:53

Yeah, she's right. Oh,

25:56

bird time. That's

25:58

why we kept a bird. Stop

26:00

making bird. I need a bird. We had

26:03

to. Shit. He took my crowspies.

26:07

No, episode 17, Judith,

26:10

when she's fleeing from Valerian, so for

26:13

those who don't know, when

26:15

we would do the episodes, I would

26:17

do the dialogue. I would cut together the dialogue so

26:19

that we have that laid out, and then I'd send it to Ian, and then he

26:21

would do all the sound design, and then he would send it back

26:23

to me so I could send back any sort of note. And

26:26

usually my notes are things like,

26:28

oh, it's like a timing thing or like small

26:31

sort of stuff, but the scene

26:33

where Judith is walking through the forest,

26:36

which is actually inspired by a real life experience

26:38

of mine, not with a forest fire, but actually just being in

26:40

a weird forest, like in a weird time alone,

26:42

when

26:44

she's walking through there, it's like

26:47

nighttime and I'm listening, and

26:49

there's just so much fucking

26:51

crow sound. There's just like caw

26:54

caw, caw caw, and there's like,

26:56

it just like, it's, and like as I'm listening,

26:58

I'm like, there's so many crows here.

27:00

And when I would send notes, they'd be

27:03

time stamped, so it's like all of these

27:05

time stamped notes. They're like an

27:07

eight minute chunk, it's just like,

27:10

no. Crows. Get these fucking crows

27:12

out of here. Crows, get the crows out. So I said

27:15

like 40 notes that were like, Ian, what's

27:17

with the crows? Nope, crows again.

27:19

You're the crows. And

27:22

so a running joke for us for

27:24

the last while is just, it's just got

27:27

to put crows into it, just got to put crows in this. You

27:29

can't put crows in it. Yeah, you'll get your

27:32

crow up. I

27:35

am literally sitting here just being like, what

27:37

can I write with

27:38

crows? Ian and I are on

27:40

the same page. I don't even understand

27:43

Alex why you took it out. It's

27:47

like in retrospect, you know, I went back

27:49

and listened to it. And if you're a fan of like

27:51

Schitt's Creek or something, and you know that

27:53

show that the

27:56

character Moira Rose was in, the

27:58

crows have eyes. I feel like I was

28:00

kind of encroaching on that a little

28:02

bit. So

28:05

I think it's probably for the best that we took

28:07

them out this time. Wait

28:09

till next time, motherfucker. I,

28:12

guys, so many crow pitches

28:14

are coming through my head, but we'll

28:16

save it for, uh, off

28:19

the record. You got a little pencil right

28:21

there. Yeah, yeah. Just write them right down. Just

28:23

write them right down on the paper. I am doing it, don't worry. God.

28:26

I am. God. Um,

28:31

yeah, I, I, before we get into

28:34

the questions, Ian, I have to ask, is there any like

28:36

sound design stuff that you did not get to do that you're

28:38

like, damn, man, really?

28:42

No. No,

28:46

no,

28:46

honestly, this, this show has been in terms

28:48

of like, uh, being a sound designer, like

28:51

y'all hit me with some crazy

28:53

shit. Um, like every

28:56

episode. Like,

28:59

how do you make the sound of blank? Pocket

29:03

dimension, 400,

29:05

centerpiece, centerpiece,

29:07

coming out of a drain, but the centipedes aren't regular

29:09

centipedes. They're actually demonic. Yeah.

29:13

Yeah. Ah, farmer's market. That's

29:15

hard, man. Just full stop. No, I just want to say

29:17

that I listened. That's difficult. You

29:20

got to get it right. I listened to the episode at the San

29:22

Francisco airport on like zero

29:24

sleep and walking around doing

29:27

laps. And I just, it gave

29:29

me a panic attack. Yeah. So

29:31

yeah, I'll answer your question. Um, I

29:34

don't think there is anything that like

29:36

I was like, aw, shucks. I didn't get

29:38

to do it because I got to do so many

29:40

new and like cool things. There

29:43

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29:45

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31:31

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31:33

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31:36

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31:38

Orca supporter asks,

31:40

what is the ideal size

31:43

of a box to put your actor

31:45

in for that realistic sense of claustrophobia

31:47

in a coffin episode?

31:48

Oh God, Ian. Jesus

31:51

Christ. Okay. Okay. Speaking

31:54

of panic attacks. Speaking of panic attacks. Let's think

31:56

about this one. What a time

31:59

that was. How big was that

32:01

Ian because okay, I

32:03

want to give some some context when we recorded

32:06

episode 19 That's the the

32:08

Barry Delight episode Ian

32:10

and Ian we were we were recording together

32:12

and We did a bunch of

32:14

stuff and then we decided to record and it was like 8

32:17

30 at night And we were like

32:19

let's do this episode now. It

32:21

was just us. We're alone in the building alone in the studio

32:23

and I

32:25

thought

32:26

that maybe you'd like sit down To

32:30

really get to the face on that's what

32:32

I thought. That's not what you did

32:34

know What did you do? Yeah

32:37

method acting explain explain to

32:39

those of me? I disapprove of all

32:41

method acting Method

32:47

sound design for

32:49

the purposes of delivering a

32:52

Excellent acting experience

32:55

you didn't mean I'll take it. All right.

32:57

Yeah, can we roll with that one? Yes anyway

33:12

And

33:24

tell us tell us about your crimes so he went to

33:27

the shin bin

33:27

I'm

33:30

cutting

33:31

none of this So

33:34

I wanted I wanted to have something right like

33:36

it That

33:38

wasn't in a studio with a

33:40

mic in a controlled space that is completely

33:43

clear and I wanted the sound of

33:47

that

33:48

Space baked into the recording

33:50

of the microphone It's more natural etc And

33:52

I was trying before you came out a

33:55

few different things like I crawled under the control

33:57

booth and

33:59

put a mic down there and it was a bit too

34:02

big sounding. I

34:05

tried to make a little

34:07

cave with some baffles and stuff. That didn't

34:09

work. So I

34:11

ended up putting two

34:14

or three baffles on their side to

34:16

create basically a little burrow

34:19

with some music stands to

34:21

add some reflection inside.

34:24

I put the mic up in the top of

34:27

that in a little hole, kind of

34:29

like peaked in the top, and then I crawled in.

34:31

I couldn't get out unless I shimmied

34:34

my butt and so on. Oh

34:36

my God. Back to the back. Oh my

34:38

God. It was, and the other thing too was that you built

34:40

this up and I was like, what are you doing? Then

34:43

I turned the lights off. Then you turned the lights

34:45

off and you're in there. So we're

34:48

in, we were recording this probably in like

34:50

maybe April or something like that. It

34:53

was dark outside and we're

34:55

alone in this building and you're

34:57

in this pitch black studio

34:59

because all you have is a little like 80-B book light

35:02

to read with, with the mic

35:04

that you had. Then I'm alone

35:07

in the booth and

35:09

I just listened to you have like a panic attack

35:11

for like an hour. I

35:15

always go back to that as the only episode

35:18

with no

35:20

like funny outtakes.

35:22

Every other episode I have folders

35:25

of like jokey outtakes and like

35:28

us talking shit in the booth and that is the only

35:30

one where there is nothing that

35:34

where like when you want to cut it, when

35:36

we would do, when we would like go back on a take

35:39

that it would just be very, very

35:42

quiet and simple. And like

35:45

I give you such credit for staying

35:47

in that, both that literal

35:49

space and that headspace through that because

35:51

that's fucking wild. And it's

35:53

the only episode that I feel like it's

35:56

that like was stressful to be directing

35:59

and the only one that gave me that. leave me nightmares afterwards.

36:02

I remember I sent Emily the stuff. Yeah,

36:06

you sent it to me with no sound design

36:09

and

36:09

it gave me a panic attack. Yeah,

36:14

even to this day, if I go back

36:16

to that episode and the start

36:18

of it, the first little bit, it

36:22

still stresses me out. I'm

36:24

like, man, I

36:27

know what's happening. It's

36:29

still something like fucks

36:32

me up listening to this. So that

36:34

gives a really credit to Ian, both the performance

36:37

and just being willing to lie on your

36:39

back for like an hour

36:41

and just panic in a

36:43

tiny, tiny space. That's more than I'm willing

36:46

to fucking do, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Oh

36:48

my God. Good thing I didn't send you the other

36:50

version that I did. What the fuck were you

36:52

doing? I added more. I added

36:54

more. No, I did the same performance,

36:57

but I added more boxiness

37:00

and tightened the room a little bit

37:03

in house. And I listened

37:05

to about 30, 40 seconds of it. I was like, nah.

37:09

That episode stresses me out to this day. But to answer

37:12

the question, I guess the

37:15

most ideal cavity

37:19

to insert oneself, to get

37:21

a coffin-like

37:23

sound

37:25

probably is going to be a little bit bigger than

37:27

you think. So not coffin size, because you got

37:29

to fit the mic in there. It's like

37:31

in your fucking mouth. You're like, all right. Yeah,

37:34

a real one as well. Yeah. So

37:36

you want to get some

37:38

of the reflections of proximity. So something

37:41

that is maybe I would say two

37:43

to four feet

37:46

square around the head

37:48

area

37:49

and with reflective surfaces, of course,

37:52

like wood or something like that. Don't baffle

37:54

it down. And gonads

37:56

from there.

37:57

Remember to breathe.

37:59

And just have like, have your- Call us when you're done. Yeah,

38:02

have your buddy sitting in the other room, like trying

38:04

to not also have a panic attack. Yeah,

38:08

God, Jesus Christ.

38:09

Let's, we got questions.

38:11

We got questions, and I feel

38:13

like the, we

38:15

got a bunch of questions from like Discord and Twitter

38:17

and Instagram, but I feel like what I want to start with is,

38:20

what's up next?

38:24

What are we doing next? And I feel like I want to lead

38:27

with that because what

38:29

if someone stops listening? What if they don't

38:31

make it to the end? I

38:33

want to talk about it now. Yes,

38:36

we asked you all for questions, and thank you so much

38:38

for coming back with your questions. And most people

38:40

were like, Park Jihant, season

38:42

four question mark. Okay, the

38:45

answer is no and less.

38:47

You have

38:49

like a million dollars

38:50

to pay us because we are

38:53

all- I'll get back in that coffin, dude. We

38:55

are all sellouts. And

38:59

we could use the money. You

39:01

know the three beers that we opened at the beginning?

39:03

Those were our last three beers. I'm

39:06

just imagining it's like Rise

39:08

of Skywalker and the opening is somehow

39:11

Lydia came back.

39:12

I don't know, we can figure

39:14

it out.

39:16

Palpatine-esque thing. Like

39:20

in all seriousness, Alex and I always

39:22

had a concept for three seasons of

39:24

Park Jihant and we're really happy

39:27

with where the show ended and we

39:29

feel like a sense of closure around it. So

39:31

opening it back up would only be for the

39:34

aforementioned million dollars. Just so much

39:36

money. Do it, pay us,

39:39

give us money. The part two of the question

39:41

is are you guys as a team going

39:43

to continue creating something new? And

39:46

the answer to that is yes. Hi.

39:49

Hello. Hi. Let's-

39:52

I'm halfway through the Crow episode.

39:53

And we've been fucking typing

39:55

on our phone the whole time. It's just-

39:58

Ugh. Guys. We

40:01

are working

40:04

on a new show. That is something

40:06

that I want to bring up now because I feel like if

40:08

you've been listening through us just talking

40:12

like dumb-dumbs

40:13

through this whole thing. Then you're a

40:15

real fan. You are a true fan.

40:17

Thank you. I'll send you a pin. No,

40:20

we are working on a new show. We're hoping to have it out

40:22

next year in 2024. Emily,

40:27

do we want to give them

40:30

a description? I don't know, do we?

40:33

Okay, well first of all, I think

40:36

that everybody should know the origin

40:38

of this pitch of the new show. It

40:41

came from me and Alex hanging

40:44

out at her place drinking beers and then sending

40:46

Ian a really deranged

40:48

voice note

40:51

about our new idea. That

40:54

one. I got that one still. You

40:56

know my card. Keep it for the archive.

41:00

That was, oh boy. Yeah,

41:02

you were at a funeral. I mean,

41:04

way to sell it, guys. I

41:07

was fucking like, yep, I'm on board. We

41:11

were like two balls in the line. What do you want

41:13

to do right now? Yes. It

41:16

is, it is, I am excited.

41:19

I am excited. It is something very fun.

41:24

Should I say, should I give sort of a- I don't

41:26

know. I guess we can just say it right now and

41:28

we can cut it later.

41:29

Yeah. And then

41:31

you cut it there and then we

41:33

go back to like the next part. Just into the whole of the beeping

41:36

noises. And then,

41:38

aww. And the next question. Yeah, everyone- Oh,

41:41

that's just, that's me. Just fill.

41:43

Okay, here's

41:45

what I think we can say. It's

41:48

once again going to be set in Toronto. That is true.

41:51

It's in the universe of

41:53

Parkdale Haunt. The Parkdale Haunt X-Men

41:56

universe or- as I've been calling

41:58

it. Oh you

42:00

got me on that one.

42:05

Nice.

42:08

Well done. It will star

42:10

the three of us. Just in

42:12

new characters. And

42:15

once again it features my character getting

42:18

Alex and Ian into trouble. How

42:20

dare

42:20

you? I didn't

42:23

agree with it. This time

42:25

I did. There's

42:27

lots of bisexuals. Yeah, it's

42:29

a no I am I'm excited. I'm

42:32

excited for what we've been talking about. We've

42:34

been discussing what the three

42:36

of us have been sort of like kind

42:39

of like getting ready for. I think I'm

42:41

excited. And

42:44

yeah. So if your question

42:46

is and this is multiple people have asked is

42:48

there another show. The answer is yes there

42:51

will be a new show.

42:52

It's not partial haunt

42:54

but I think I think if you liked

42:56

partial haunt you're going to enjoy this one. So

42:59

I would say keep

43:01

your eye on the sky and by sky

43:04

I mean social media. And don't ask

43:06

me to sell things. God the

43:08

show is so stressful. How

43:12

bad is this? That

43:16

was perfection. You

43:19

nailed it. I'm so good at this.

43:22

That is a t-shirt if I ever heard one. All

43:26

right. Let's do some. Let's do some questions.

43:29

This is a really interesting and related question.

43:32

Yes. Are

43:35

you guys getting a TV series. You definitely

43:37

deserve one. But only if you guys are the

43:39

actors as well. That

43:42

was from a man. Yes.

43:46

On Twitter. On Instagram. Instagram.

43:49

Yes. Yes. I

43:52

want a fucking TV series. Give

43:54

me a TV series. We all want TV series. See

43:57

you Mr. Netflix. Or

44:00

whoever Bob Netflix However,

44:03

it is a strike right now and we ain't scabs.

44:06

No, we're not scabbing. I refuse to Yeah,

44:09

but you know support your unions We'd

44:12

love a TV series like it would be so much

44:14

fun No,

44:15

I will not act unless

44:18

unless I will act in the TV series

44:20

if

44:21

We're

44:27

doing a bit of a rewrite And

44:30

Adam is going to be played by Jensen

44:33

Echol Where

44:55

Passing a bird with Mads Mikkelson

44:57

And

45:01

Emily plays Claire Phil But there's a love triangle

45:03

now

45:05

A

45:09

very realistic love triangle between

45:11

me, Jensen Echol and Mads Mikkelson It

45:14

just makes sense Alex It just makes

45:16

Mr. Netflix call me I

45:20

just wanted to get that on the record Oh

45:22

my god my phone's ringing

45:23

Mr. Netflix

45:25

hello

45:26

Says M Netflix

45:26

So

45:31

I will say the follow-up to their

45:33

question was that it's not

45:35

can we petition to get you a TV series?

45:38

And the answer is yes, please

45:40

do start a petition. I would very much

45:42

like

45:49

Thank you so much what's he doing

45:51

after supernatural, I don't know ice the boy

45:53

boys whatever he's really good I

45:56

mean they can exist in the same universe. Oh,

45:58

I think good. It's her boy

45:59

This is filmed in

46:01

Toronto. It's true. It's

46:03

not that hard for him to get from point A to point B.

46:06

Really? This is a question

46:08

for Emily, and that's which... Ian's not going to know what

46:09

I'm talking about. What character

46:11

in Particle Haunt

46:12

goes to Super Hell?

46:13

Isaac, Claire...

46:16

I'm not... Ian,

46:18

this

46:18

is a Supernatural reference. Alex, I love

46:21

you. Okay. Oh my god. Did you

46:23

watch Supernatural? Did

46:26

you watch Supernatural, Ian? Come on, dude. What?

46:28

What?

46:28

What? What? What? Are you kidding

46:31

me?

46:31

How have we not been talking about

46:33

this for years? Ian!

46:36

Wow. I thought you just watched it. I

46:39

thought people just watched it. Yeah.

46:42

Oh my god, everyone. I've never felt closer to you.

46:45

I'm picking up what you're putting down, and let me tell

46:47

you. Oh my god. Wow,

46:51

this is new information, and I'm really happy

46:53

about it. I've learned a whole bunch tonight. Oh my god.

46:55

Okay, Emily, pick a question.

46:57

Okay, this is a related question

46:59

from Instagram. Is

47:02

Mr. Bird alive, and is he available to date? Asking

47:05

for a friend, it's me, I'm the friend. Says from,

47:06

oh no, it's that girl again. I

47:09

love this question because we

47:11

truly, when we first started writing

47:13

Iggy Bird, we were like, let's

47:15

write the most despicable character

47:18

imaginable. Wrong. Everyone

47:20

loves him. He

47:22

is the best. And then he

47:24

just evolved. I think that our actor,

47:27

Taylor Davis, really did bring him to life in

47:29

a really exciting way

47:31

that inspired us as writers. Taylor,

47:35

without Taylor, that character would have been a thousand

47:37

times worse, I think. Yeah. So

47:39

he, excuse me, he was, yeah,

47:43

he did such a good fucking job. Yeah, he killed him. Oh

47:45

my god, there's so many good outtakes. Oh

47:48

man. There's some, I'll

47:51

cut in at the end, some amazing outtakes of Taylor. I

47:53

think there's one amazing one of the

47:56

description of Taylor, or of

47:59

A-Bird and Ea.

47:59

Oh my god. The a-bird and

48:02

Owen going shopping? You know my

48:03

real name. Oh

48:05

my god, I've docked you. God. Sorry,

48:08

I'm eating shit. Oh

48:12

dear you. Oh my god. So

48:15

we talked for way too long and ended up splitting

48:17

this into two parts. So

48:18

coming up in the second half, more questions

48:20

and more random thoughts and more chaos. But

48:23

for now, thank you for listening to part

48:25

one and to end things off, here are some bloopers.

48:27

See you soon. That

48:30

was, we kept joking about that being like a

48:34

secret episode. It's just

48:37

those two going shopping. Yeah. You

48:39

make my dreams come true.

48:41

Do do do do do. I

48:44

turned that down. Don't touch the radio in my

48:46

car. It's just

48:48

a makeover, makeover, makeover, makeover. Why

48:50

are you making me sit in the back seat? Don't

48:54

touch anything with your sticky hands.

48:57

I'm not. Just like sitting

49:00

in the back with a big gulp. An

49:06

open bag of popcorn. Yeah. Peeking

49:08

out from the racks of clothes at

49:10

Holt Renfrewt. He gets off and

49:13

gets out of the car. You Owen tries to

49:15

but the kid, the child lock is on. Just

49:19

like fully goes into it and then slips

49:22

away. Yeah. And the whole time you

49:25

just asking to go get ice cream. We're not getting

49:27

ice cream. I

49:30

swear I will turn this car around. That's

49:32

it. But it ends with him getting. Oh,

49:35

for sure. It drops on the new clothes.

49:38

And then it restarts. Makeover,

49:40

makeover. Makeover, makeover.

49:44

That shirt looks nice by the way. Yeah.

49:48

Thanks. It's a great shirt. My

49:50

friend picked it out.

49:50

Best friend. My

49:53

best friend. And

49:56

I lost him.

49:57

The fact that one is Owen.

50:00

I'm going to go on a one man mission.

50:02

Oh! Yes, that's right. Cue

50:05

montage music. Ah! Toot

50:07

toot toot toot toot toot toot toot! Yeah,

50:09

tune into season

50:10

two to find out. You know if you need that.

50:14

Yeah, that's right. A-bird

50:16

and Owen. Bill,

50:19

that took my friend. Dan,

50:22

I made my shirt dirty. Now

50:25

we get revenge. Ah. Ah.

50:29

Come on, you cultist. Just

50:32

with a machine

50:33

gun. Go, go, go, go.

50:36

I'll need you on Friday at 7pm

50:38

at Holt Renfrew. Please wear nice

50:40

jeans. Not those ones. Sorry, can I just jump in? Taylor,

50:43

I'll see you on Friday. Mm-hmm.

50:47

I need you on Friday. Okay.

50:51

This is more than a shopping trip. See,

50:53

now we're in fanfic territory. Come

50:55

to my apartment for fitting.

50:59

You like dungeons

51:00

and dragons? Yes, actually. Really?

51:03

No, of course not.

51:04

Should've seen

51:06

that coming. Okay.

51:09

I can get you into it.

51:10

Ah. No.

51:15

Wow. Why you're so nice

51:17

to this man. I know. Oh,

51:19

rude. It's fodder

51:22

for the erotica guy. Yeah, exactly.

51:24

I think I was leaning in a different direction. With

51:28

the, I told him we're friends, you're ribbing

51:31

him more. Where you're just like, I told him we're friends.

51:33

Because you know he'll hate it. Right. So

51:35

same with the like, I'm sure I can get you into it. I'm

51:37

wearing Judas down. You're just like, you're just, you're

51:40

just enjoying it. I'm in on it. Yeah, you're

51:42

in on it. Oh, I like him as a super genuine

51:44

guy. I really want to meet other people. I

51:47

thought we were going somewhere. You bought me

51:48

pants. Very nice shirt.

51:53

Okay.

51:54

Okay, buddy. Listen up. We saved your butt.

51:57

And now we need your help. So just shut up

51:59

and let the lady. Lady talk, okay? I

52:01

will not allow you

52:03

to talk. Oh, and you made

52:05

him cry. Sorry,

52:07

I'll be lucky. It's just

52:10

so much. Okay.

52:13

Claire. Claire. Okay.

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