0:05

Ooh, our movie's about to start. So

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you're just not gonna offer me any

0:10

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0:15

know what they say, when you assume

0:17

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get it. I was gonna say, we

0:21

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0:24

Simone, that response is concerning. We

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1:05

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1:10

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1:12

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1:20

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hard to actually know the labor standard.

4:00

alternate side parking regulations.

4:02

And that is when we record the show. So

4:05

when Tom is stuck in a Subaru, it's

4:07

really just using the kind of movie as a

4:09

starting off point for a conversation between two old

4:12

friends, rather than, you know, one of these kind

4:14

of deeply researched movie podcasts where we go in

4:16

from like box office and behind

4:18

the scenes. So we have we

4:20

have no expertise. We just talk. Well,

4:26

I love it. It creates this really intimate

4:28

environment. And I feel like I get like

4:30

good insight into your guys's relationship, which is

4:33

very fun to listen to. So

4:35

thank you. Now, you've

4:37

known each other for a long time, a 20 year long

4:40

friendship that is, you know, nothing to

4:43

sneeze at. I'm not sneezing. Please

4:47

don't. I would

4:49

love to know what relationship advice do you

4:51

have for our listeners? The reason we

4:53

have had such a long lasting friendship, can't

4:56

wait to hear this, is that we've never

4:58

been in the same city for more than

5:00

about two days. I think that's

5:02

true. I think if we were roommates, we would hate

5:04

each other. Oh, my God, one of us would be

5:07

dead. Distance is key. Especially

5:10

when you're talking about collaborating with

5:12

somebody creatively, you're so vulnerable. When you say

5:14

like, here's a thing I made, what do

5:17

you think? And to be able to know

5:19

that we're really engaged in a

5:21

common cause here to make the

5:23

best thing that we can make together. That trust, I

5:25

guess it kind of goes hand in hand with

5:28

friendship. Wow,

5:31

that is very beautiful. Yeah, love

5:33

you, Sam. Very contrasting answers. It

5:36

gives you a little insight into the dynamic, actually. One

5:38

of us is very sensitive

5:41

and a joy to be around

5:44

and the other one isn't. I

5:47

wonder if our listeners can figure out which

5:49

is which over the course of this episode.

5:51

It's gonna be a disaster. Alright,

5:53

well without further delay, let

5:56

us get into our first round

5:58

today. is going to

6:01

include questions about both on

6:03

screen and behind the scenes

6:05

trivia in a round that

6:07

we are calling method or madness.

6:11

Now this is basically our version of true

6:13

or false. I'm going to describe the way

6:15

a movie came together to you and you'll

6:18

have to tell me if it is true,

6:20

method or false,

6:22

madness. Make sense? Alright.

6:25

James, you are going to kick us off

6:27

this round. Okay. Here's your question.

6:29

In 2022, the streamer Hulu

6:33

released an original romantic comedy

6:35

called Fire Island. It

6:37

stars Joel Kim Booster and Bo and

6:39

Yang and it's about a group of

6:41

queer vacationers spending a week on Fire

6:44

Island, dancing, drinking and wearing so many

6:46

crop tops. Why don't we just get a

6:48

little f***ed up and dance? Sounds great.

6:50

Ah, the beauty of summertime. Now

6:53

is this method or madness? The

6:56

movie was loosely based off of

6:58

Homer's epic poem, The Odyssey. Oh,

7:02

wow. I'm

7:06

going to say no, I don't think so

7:09

because I think of The Odyssey as being

7:11

kind of a journey and trying to get somewhere.

7:13

And it sounds like this is a series where people are kind

7:15

of in place and hijinks ensue.

7:17

So I'm going to say no. You're

7:19

supposed to say madness. That's madness.

7:23

I really liked your reasoning and it

7:25

led you to the correct answer. You

7:27

got it. That is madness. Fire

7:30

Island was not based on The

7:32

Odyssey. However, the movie was

7:34

actually based on a different story.

7:37

Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. There

7:40

is a pretty well-known movie that was sort of

7:42

based on The Odyssey. Do you

7:44

know what I'm thinking of here,

7:46

James? Isn't there a Coen Brothers movie

7:48

that's sort of based on The Odyssey? Yeah.

7:50

Oh, Brother Where Art Thou? Oh, right. Yeah,

7:52

I haven't seen it. Yep. Maybe

7:56

an episode for your guys' show. Yeah. And

7:58

I love The Coen Brothers. God

8:00

the game on an unfair as. A

8:04

seeing the Cohen Brothers. Movie

8:06

from the Year Two Thousand Start.

8:09

George Clooney as the main character,

8:11

Ulysses. Which is the

8:13

Roman Emperor Odysseus where

8:15

you live on. Our

8:20

Rights. Som, I've got a question

8:22

for you. Are at.

8:24

The documentary free Solo came out

8:27

and twenty eight seen The movie

8:29

followed free climber Alex Honnold as

8:31

he attempted to climb all tabby

8:33

ten a three thousand foot high

8:35

Then at Law and Seventy Out

8:38

and Robles, the directors behind the

8:40

movie went to great lengths to

8:42

both ensure that filming would not

8:44

jeopardize Honnold safety and get the

8:46

footage necessary for their movie. Now.

8:50

Is this method or madness and

8:52

order to capture Honnold audio as

8:54

he made his ascent up the

8:57

walls free rider roots So makers

8:59

actually installed tiny microphones along the

9:01

surface of El Capitan. Wow.

9:06

Ah, I saw this movie

9:08

and it's terrifying to ah

9:10

ah ah it's really amazing

9:12

and you do hear him

9:14

the whole way. Ah

9:17

ah, farm and go with him

9:19

method on this. I think they

9:21

probably did the. Somme.

9:25

That is incorrect. This

9:28

one was actually madness.

9:30

They did go to

9:32

pretty creative lengths. To

9:34

capture Honnold audio. But the

9:36

filmmakers did not make up the wall. Instead,

9:38

they created a custom might pack for Honnold

9:41

that fit and. The chalk bag he

9:43

was wearing on his waist when enough.

9:45

For all the non climbers out there,

9:47

it's sort of this piece of

9:49

gear climbers carry with them to keep

9:52

their hands dry. Pretty creative and I

9:54

got me wondering. You know you

9:56

find yourself on some sets, what's the

9:58

craziest thing? you. Seen someone

10:01

do. Trying to get like perfect

10:03

sound? I don't know but I

10:05

have a good sound. or the

10:07

Sandman friend Giles who's the an

10:10

Indian at the Sound Man and

10:12

he was doing sound for the

10:14

Sasha Baron Cohen movie that the

10:16

Dictator I think some and so

10:18

see it has to do. At

10:21

one point he was gonna rush

10:23

the cars in the Un like

10:25

the basically Un convoy was gonna

10:27

ban is the General Assembly and

10:30

says America was running. Up to

10:32

the cars and trials had to run behind

10:34

him with the boom months and finally is

10:36

that This is insane. I'm gonna get shot.

10:38

I'm an Indian guy in a running around

10:40

with Macys shotgun might a visitor ahead and

10:42

says you buy me tell this year we've

10:44

probably just go with the love on this

10:46

when you don't need to force Mister Professor

10:48

of the Working. On a saucer Baron Cohen.

10:51

Production Secure. Peace Solve

10:53

exactly how Wow. You

10:56

guys so and see them. Teams.

11:00

We are going to go. Back to Yale

11:02

Roads so soon. Musical genre

11:04

is near and dear to

11:07

my heart. That something

11:09

you may or may not know

11:11

is that sometimes movies will use

11:13

a so called Goes singer to

11:15

provide vocals for an actor. In

11:17

the fifties and sixties, Mirnyi Nixon

11:19

was one of the most sought

11:21

after voices in Hollywood. Now is

11:23

this method or madness? Over the

11:25

course of her career, Money's vocals

11:28

were swapped and for Julie Andrews,

11:30

Deborah Curse and Audrey Hepburn's. Roof.

11:36

I. Believe that is true. I mean,

11:38

I've heard of her and I'm

11:40

thinking of. His. it's. My.

11:43

Fair Lady. maybe data she might have dollars

11:45

for, but I'm going to say this is

11:47

mesut I. I believe that that's true. I

11:49

know that that definitely was a thing. James.

11:53

Yes, That is incorrect.

11:56

I'm sorry. This one

11:58

is madness. Only

12:00

because Marnie Nixon said not ever ghost

12:02

thing for Julie. Andrews Okay with since

12:05

Reagan or years our heroes allright and

12:07

as as are a few, it's tough

12:09

to find fault with Julie Andrews. I

12:12

guess as a singer see with memory

12:14

you know I think it's a good

12:16

time for me to mention that Som

12:19

hits musicals and actually said he wants

12:21

the She thinks that nobody else actually

12:23

likes musicals either. He thinks of some

12:25

conspiracy and which people pretend to like

12:28

musicals but don't actually don't. You

12:30

want to say I must? I mean, I

12:33

can't imagine that anyone serious about like and.

12:37

It's it. Systems not possible and

12:39

I should Cover is not the

12:41

music itself, it's that certain style

12:44

that comes out of like sucks

12:46

ha ha ha like eyes. I

12:48

just my son want to die

12:50

immediately so you don't believe in

12:52

July and enthusiasm and are nice

12:55

nice all football for joy of

12:57

not in not in that particular

12:59

framework. Oh right. Okay, it's.

13:03

Financial success as but. Yes

13:05

or girl Marnie see stayed booked

13:07

in Hollywood though she did not

13:09

dosing for Julie Andrews see go

13:11

saying for pretty much everyone else

13:14

she didn't All of. Audrey.

13:16

Hepburn singing and my for a Lady were right

13:18

about that. James. For donald to half a

13:20

point though for that you know at least. Some

13:23

tireless is this hundred ohm of

13:25

trivia us. Some you have got

13:28

our final question of the round.

13:30

Aura the rate Charles bio.

13:32

Pic Ray came out in Two

13:34

Thousand and Four to great critical

13:36

acclaim. after Jamie Fox, who starred

13:38

in the film won the Academy

13:40

Award for Best lead actor that

13:42

year. Now is this Method or

13:44

Madness In order to play the

13:46

Blinds musician, Jamie Fox had his

13:48

eyes glued shut for fourteen hours

13:50

a day. Or

13:53

is it other movie I've seen. But.

13:58

We. Couldn't his just kept them. I

14:00

mean, like, it

14:02

does seem a little extreme. I'm

14:05

going to go with method. It's the

14:07

kind of insane that people do. I

14:10

would have just kept my eyes closed, but I think maybe

14:12

to win the Oscar, he did it. Some,

14:16

that is the kind of insane

14:18

that people do. That is method.

14:21

This is true. The

14:23

movie's director, Taylor Hackford, suggested that

14:25

Fox wear a prosthetic of Ray

14:27

Charles's eyes over his own, which

14:30

meant that for 12 and 14 hour

14:32

days of shooting, Fox's eyes were glued

14:34

shut. Initially, Fox suffered

14:36

panic attacks from the ensuing claustrophobia,

14:39

but it got used to the prosthetic after

14:41

a couple of weeks of shooting. And

14:43

you'll be fine in a few weeks. I'm not being able

14:45

to see. Don't worry about it, yeah. Wow.

14:48

It's about, it's even sadder, more

14:51

disturbing. Fox's colleagues on the

14:53

movie were not quite as used

14:55

to the prosthetic as the actor,

14:58

and they would sometimes forget that he couldn't see

15:00

and leave him behind on set, and

15:02

able to get from place to place. That's

15:06

pretty. I might be blind, but

15:08

I ain't. Well, that brings us

15:10

to the end of our first round of

15:13

questions. I've got our producer,

15:15

Laura Newcomb, on the line, who has been

15:17

keeping track of our scores. Laura,

15:19

how are Sam and James

15:21

doing? Their methods are working.

15:24

They are locked in at

15:26

one-to-one. It's a classic first

15:28

round tie so far. Ooh, yes.

15:31

Classic first round tie, all right. But

15:33

you know, anything can happen on Pass

15:35

Perfect, and it does, so let's not

15:37

get too comfortable. And move

15:39

on to our next round. The

15:42

sound round. Ooh. Sam,

15:44

James, as you may have noticed in your careers

15:47

in film and TV, one of

15:49

Hollywood's favorite subjects happens to be itself.

15:53

In this round, I'm going to play you

15:55

a clip from a movie about movies, and

15:57

you'll have to identify it for me. If

16:00

you can't identify the clip or if you

16:03

answer incorrectly, your opponent can steal

16:05

the question. Make sense? Yep, definitely.

16:08

Alright, Som,

16:10

you are kicking us off this round.

16:12

Here is your first clip. Eating

16:14

lunch before I do a scene makes me sluggish.

16:18

I believe it's the job of an actor

16:20

to avoid impediments to their performance. It's

16:23

the actor's job to strive for 100%

16:25

effectiveness. Naturally,

16:27

we never succeed, but it's the

16:30

percentage. It's

16:32

me. I

16:36

have absolutely no idea. So

16:40

let's see, it's a precocious kid.

16:42

I've got a little taste

16:44

of a Wes Anderson-y kind of vibe to

16:46

it. But

16:49

I can't think of any movies of his that that

16:51

would be. I have

16:53

no idea. I just guess because I

16:55

have to say something. Hugo? It's

16:57

not Hugo, but Hugo. Som,

17:00

I am sorry. That is

17:02

incorrect. It is not Hugo. So

17:05

I turn to you, James. Do you think you

17:07

know what it is? No, I

17:10

don't. I can't think of it. I'm

17:12

sorry. Alright, well I will let you

17:14

know. This is actually from a fairly

17:16

recent movie. It is from

17:18

Quentin Tarantino's 2019 Once

17:20

Upon a Time in Hollywood. Oh

17:24

yeah, I did see it. I didn't. I

17:26

expected it much maybe. The

17:30

movie follows a down-and-out actor played

17:32

by Leonardo DiCaprio and his stunt

17:34

double played by Brad Pitt as

17:37

they navigate the final days of

17:39

Hollywood's so-called Golden Age. And

17:41

in this scene, DiCaprio's character has

17:43

a conversation on set of a

17:45

Western with his precocious co-star played

17:48

by Julia Butters. James,

17:50

our next clip is for you.

17:52

Let's take a listen. get

18:00

a sandwich or I'm crying and they

18:02

start laughing or there's people sitting in

18:04

the waiting room and they're and they're

18:07

like me but prettier. I

18:13

don't know. I was trying to place

18:15

the voice. I was trying to figure out just through the

18:17

voice like who is that talking but I can't even get

18:19

that I'm afraid. So,

18:21

Sam when she says prettier

18:23

she sounds just like Debra Winger but but

18:25

the rest of it doesn't sound like Debra

18:28

Winger. I think I don't know. I

18:30

will reveal where this is from. This

18:32

was Emma Stone in

18:34

2016's La La Land, Damien

18:36

Chazelle's movie about struggling to

18:39

make it in show business

18:41

and Emma Stone won an Oscar for Best

18:43

Actress for her performance. It's

18:45

not surprising I didn't get it. I can't stand this

18:48

movie. I

18:51

think it's fair that I didn't get it. Well it's a musical for a

18:53

start so it's no wonder. It's

18:55

a musical and it's like

18:57

the most lame idea of

18:59

what jazz is. Sorry. I

19:01

just think it's pathetic. No

19:05

apology is necessary. I appreciate

19:08

the fervor of your

19:10

opinion. All right on that note, Sam

19:12

I have got another clip for you. Let's

19:14

take a listen. So

19:27

you guys both got excited when you heard

19:29

this. Now we're talking.

19:31

Now we're talking. This

19:34

I hope is Sunset Boulevard.

19:37

It sure is. Yes. That

19:40

was from the 1950 movie Sunset

19:42

Boulevard. Billy Wilder's movie stars

19:45

Gloria Swanson as former silent

19:47

film star Norma Desmond who

19:49

desperately plots to make a

19:51

comeback in the talkies. Swanson

19:54

herself was a former silent film star

19:56

who had some difficulty transitioning into sound

19:58

movies. That

22:00

line also touches that for me. Well,

22:04

we have reached the end of the sound round. So,

22:07

Laura, I would love to know

22:09

how our scores are looking. Have Somme

22:11

and James broken away from a tie?

22:13

Our two stars still have equal billing.

22:15

It's two to two still tied up.

22:18

Okay. The author mediocrity

22:21

continues. Well,

22:23

we have one more game left to

22:25

play. Let's see if we can break that

22:27

tie. Give yourselves a little crafty

22:30

and we'll be back on set after the

22:32

break. Hey,

22:36

I'm James Lavino, and I'm here to tell

22:39

you about Alternate Sods, a movie podcast with

22:41

a twist. I've worked in

22:43

the film business for two decades, but I haven't

22:45

actually seen that many movies. And

22:47

this has been driving my frequent

22:49

collaborator, Saab, a self-confessed film sob,

22:52

crazy. So every week

22:54

while he's stuck in his car trying to

22:56

avoid getting a parking ticket, thanks to New

22:58

York City's alternate side parking regulations, we

23:01

discuss a classic film I've finally just gotten

23:03

around to seeing. Alternate

23:05

Sods, a new podcast about movies,

23:07

parking, and a 25 year friendship

23:09

wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome

23:22

back, my method contestants. Saab,

23:25

James, how would you say this production

23:27

is going so far? Offly well.

23:32

I think you're the star of the show. We're

23:34

not pulling our weight so far. Hopefully

23:36

we can do better for you. You

23:38

are far too self-deprecating. You guys are

23:41

shining trivia stars. That's

23:43

very kind, very kind. You've performed

23:46

beautifully, but we are about to turn

23:48

up the pressure here because we have

23:50

reached our final round. The lightning

23:52

round. The way

23:54

this works is I'll ask you a

23:56

series of short answer trivia questions, and

23:59

since you're Well,

26:01

I will let you know in order to be

26:03

James, you will need to answer five questions correctly.

26:06

We'll get 60 seconds on the clock for you

26:08

some. Your time

26:10

starts now. How

26:12

many days a week does alternate side parking apply

26:14

in New York City? It

26:17

depends where you are. Two or four. I'll

26:20

take four days. Who plays Jim Carey's best

26:22

friend in Dumb and Dumber? What's his name?

26:24

Jim Daniel. Jeff Daniel.

26:26

Correct. From

26:28

1895 to 1930, what color did New

26:30

York City street cleaners wear? Green.

26:34

White. What movie about friends who

26:37

fought in Vietnam won Best Picture in 1979? Gear

26:40

Hunter. Correct. Where does Batman

26:43

park the Batmobile in Gotham City? In

26:45

the Batcave. Correct. Which 1986 movie

26:48

about friends took its title from a Ben E.

26:50

King song? Stand By Me. Correct.

26:53

What movie best friends claim to have

26:55

invented Post-its? Don't know. Romeo

26:57

and Michelle. What does the Ghostbusters crew

26:59

call their car? I

27:02

don't actually know that. I

27:05

can't accept the answer, but do you think, do you know it?

27:07

No, I don't know what it's called. Is it the

27:09

Ectomobile? It is. Yeah, it's the Ectomobile.

27:11

Very good. Wow. Well, that

27:13

was very good, Sam. How did that feel? Was it?

27:16

Better than I expected. Ooh, I have a

27:18

feeling we had a really close game today. So

27:20

I'm going to turn to Laura for our

27:23

final score. What was it,

27:25

Laura? In the end, James has

27:27

six points, but Sam has

27:29

seven. Oh my gosh,

27:32

Sam. That means you're our

27:34

official winner. Well played,

27:36

James. I didn't expect to win that at all. I knew

27:38

you had it in you, buddy. Do you

27:40

feel any different about your friendship now

27:42

after going through this trivia journey today?

27:45

No, no, no, not at all. No,

27:48

no, just digesting that, just taking that

27:50

in, getting that thing. Just processing, got

27:52

it. Well, congratulations,

27:54

Sam. This was a very exciting

27:56

game today. It's been

27:58

a pleasure to have you both. But before I

28:01

let you go, you know, you guys

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talk about movies on your show while

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Somme you're trying to park and it

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got me thinking, you know, Somme, what

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if you just took that Subaru, you

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went, you drove over to James, picked

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him up and you two just head

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out on the open road together in

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your own ultimate road trip movie. What

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do you think that would look like? The funny

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thing about the fact that I'm always in

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the Subaru is that I didn't get my

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driver's license until at some point in my

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40s. And so James

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famously will not really get in a car

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with me because he thinks that I haven't

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had enough road hours. So the

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road trip would be mostly James driving. I

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can tell you that. Yeah, I

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think that says it should be. You have a lot of experience

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sitting in the car. I do.

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I do. Well, listen, as a

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self-proclaimed bad driver, I tend to think

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that the co-pilot can sometimes be an

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even more crucial position in the road

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trip. Awesome.

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Well, thank you both so

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much for joining me today. Thank

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you for having us. I hope to catch your road

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trip movie sometime soon. Thank

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you for watching. This is a real

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treat. The

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episode was written and produced by Laura

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and featuring Karen Chi as the time machine.

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and listening by Tam Baer, original music

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and theme by J. Bliss. The

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head of production and development is Liz Stiles. Special

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thanks to Erica Morrison and Emily Liedefin.

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