0:01

You know what I've been thinking about, Simone? What's

0:03

that, Time Machine? Hosting a trivia

0:06

show seems really, oh, what's the word?

0:09

Not noble, but... Oh,

0:11

wow, thank you.

0:13

Easy. What? Hosting

0:15

a trivia show seems really easy.

0:17

Uh, noble and easy aren't

0:19

even synonyms. I know, I said

0:22

not noble. Ugh, Time

0:24

Machine, there's a lot more to hosting

0:26

a trivia show than you might realize. Games

0:29

are an important part of our society. They

0:31

help us learn, they help us get our aggression out.

0:34

There's a long tradition of... Yeah, yeah,

0:36

yeah, get to it, host lady. From

0:38

ZSP Media, go on.

0:41

I swear to God, I'm gonna throw a glass

0:43

of water at you one of these days.

0:48

From ZSP Media, this is Past

0:50

Perfect, the trivia show that travels

0:53

through time. I'm your host, Simone

0:55

Polanen. I hope everyone brought

0:57

their game face, because this episode

0:59

is inspired by the history of playing cards.

1:02

So rack them up and deal me in. We'll

1:04

meet our guest after the break. ♪ Past

1:07

Perfect, Past, Past Perfect,

1:10

Past Perfect. ♪

1:14

Something about Mary Poppins? Exactly.

1:16

This is fun. You can get your daily puzzle

1:18

nuggets delivered straight to your

1:21

ears. Listen to the puzzler with me, AJ

1:23

Jacobs, on the iHeart Radio app, or

1:26

wherever you get your podcasts.

1:30

Leviathan was created as

1:32

a sanctuary. No,

1:34

it's, it's too

1:37

much. A monument

1:40

to hope.

1:40

Hurry. Run.

1:43

We

1:43

have to run. And the last

1:46

refuge of escape. We have to

1:48

leave now. We've got magma coming

1:50

in. I

1:54

am a Valkyrie. Dammit! I

1:58

murder gods. And

2:02

I will bring the raging infernos

2:04

of hell to meet me under all of the water

2:06

in the sea! Leviathan was

2:08

built

2:16

to represent hope.

2:18

It will still be our

2:20

salvation. Discover

2:22

the Leviathan Chronicles and listen

2:24

to all three seasons of the award-winning immortal

2:26

saga available at leviathanchronicles.com

2:30

or wherever you get your podcasts.

2:31

Immortality or

2:34

freedom, which would you choose?

2:42

Today we are playing a game

2:45

about games. So naturally

2:47

I am joined by expert puzzler,

2:49

podcaster and game player AJ Jacobs.

2:53

AJ, welcome. Thank you. I

2:55

am delighted to be

2:56

here. I am an expert at giving

2:58

puzzles and games. I'm not saying

3:01

I'm the expert at solving them.

3:03

I just manage your expectations. Gotcha.

3:07

It could be disastrous. Well, I'm

3:09

going to continue to talk up your

3:11

puzzle expertise.

3:12

AJ is currently the host of

3:15

The Puzzler, a daily puzzle podcast.

3:18

And he also just came out with a book by the same

3:21

name. That's true. So,

3:23

before we get going here, AJ, I would love

3:25

to know what your relationship is

3:27

to games and puzzles and how

3:30

this passion developed in the first

3:33

place.

3:33

Since I was a kid, I loved all

3:35

kinds of puzzles and games, crosswords

3:38

and jigsaws, you name it.

3:41

And actually, this project started a couple

3:43

of years ago because I was

3:46

the answer to a clue

3:49

in the New York Times crossword puzzle. Whoa.

3:51

I know. As a word nerd, I

3:54

was like, this is the greatest day

3:56

of my life. And then my brother-in-law...

3:57

He

4:00

said,

4:01

you know, you were in the Saturday New

4:03

York Times crossword puzzle and you may

4:06

know Simone, that's the hardest

4:08

puzzle of the week, harder

4:09

than Sunday. So his

4:11

point was, this is not

4:13

a compliment. Like no one, these are

4:16

totally obscure answers. No

4:18

one knows who you are. So I was all

4:20

bummed out. The twist happy

4:23

ending is that I told that story

4:25

on a podcast a few years

4:28

ago and a New

4:30

York Times crossword maker was listening.

4:32

And he put me in a

4:35

Tuesday puzzle, which I don't

4:37

belong in because that's where like Lady

4:39

Gaga belongs. And that kind of

4:41

started getting me back into puzzles.

4:44

And the book was all about meeting

4:47

the most amazing puzzlers in the world

4:49

and trying to learn their secrets. And then we

4:51

started this daily show where I give puzzles

4:54

to our guests, much like, we're cousins,

4:57

our podcasts, I feel are our

4:59

cousins. Oh, I love that. We can

5:01

go to a family reunion together and

5:03

have a good time, but we're different. Yeah. And

5:07

just to say, AJ, don't sell yourself

5:09

short. You are the Lady Gaga of the

5:12

puzzle podcast space. So

5:15

Tuesday's right where you belong. Since

5:17

today's game will be all about playing

5:20

cards. I'm curious, do you have any

5:22

favorite card games? Maybe ones that

5:25

you're playing right now with your family.

5:28

We do play a lot of hearts. I don't know,

5:30

are you a heart fan at all? That

5:32

was a, I had a moment in college where

5:34

hearts was a thing. My specialty

5:37

is almost shooting the moon. I'm really

5:40

good at getting 25 points

5:42

instead of 26. And as you know, if you

5:44

play hearts, 26 means like

5:46

you win and 25 is the worst

5:48

possible area. That's hearts

5:51

breaking. Nicely

5:53

done. You don't have to get bad for me.

5:59

Alright, well, your heart's

6:02

experience should come in handy today

6:05

since we've decided to challenge

6:07

you to some playing card inspired

6:09

trivia. We are going to start

6:11

with our first game, which is called...

6:13

Dealer Drink.

6:16

Excellent. In Dealer

6:18

Drink, I'm going to throw some names out and

6:20

you're going to have to tell me whether it's the name of

6:22

a card game

6:25

or an artisan cocktail.

6:26

Oh, I love

6:29

it.

6:29

Okay, alright, I'm ready. Alright.

6:32

And your first one, AJ, is

6:35

Liar's Dice. Deal

6:38

or drink? Oh, Liar's

6:40

Dice. I'm going to go with... Oh,

6:43

I have no idea. Liar's Dice.

6:46

Dice are not cards. That

6:49

is true. By

6:52

that brilliant logic, I'm

6:54

going to try the drink. Well,

6:56

you know what, AJ? Your logic

6:59

is flawless. You are correct. Oh,

7:01

thank you. You got it. So,

7:03

Liar's Dice is a mocktail from

7:05

a bar right here in Brooklyn. It is

7:08

made with a zero proof Italian

7:10

spritz, a little orange, champagne

7:12

vinegar, and soda. Liar's Dice

7:14

is also a game. It is a dice

7:17

game for two or more players who

7:19

keep their hands, aka their rolls,

7:21

concealed. But it is not

7:24

a card

7:24

game. Got it. Okay, whew.

7:27

And for your next one. Ready. Okay.

7:29

AJ, deal or drink?

7:31

Scotch Bridge. Scotch Bridge.

7:34

Oh, that's good. That's good. I

7:38

was hoping you would do like, whist and

7:40

I would be like, that's not whiskey. It's

7:43

whist and I know that. But you're going much

7:45

more obscure. You're really much trickier than

7:47

that. Scotch Bridge, I'm

7:49

going to guess is I'm

7:52

going to go with the cards. You

7:55

are correct.

7:55

Wow. Wow. Scotch

7:58

Bridge is a card game. We tried

8:01

to trick you, but you're too smart for

8:03

us. It is also called Oh

8:06

Hell, if you're familiar with that card

8:08

game. No, I am not. This game probably

8:10

came to the US from Britain. And

8:14

did you know it's apparently a favorite

8:16

of former President Bill Clinton's

8:19

who learned it from his longtime

8:21

friend, director Steven Spielberg,

8:24

when he was staying at the director's Hampton's

8:26

home during the 1996 election? Wow.

8:30

Okay. So it's historic. It is

8:32

very historic. Yes. History

8:35

was made in the 90s at Steven Spielberg's

8:37

Hampton's house. All right. I have got

8:40

one more for you, H.A. Deal

8:42

or drink.

8:43

Long live the

8:44

king.

8:48

Long live the king. That is interesting.

8:50

Well, what I will

8:52

tell you that I

8:55

am working on a book about

8:58

the Constitution.

9:01

And one of the things I do like about

9:04

early America has a lot of problems, but

9:06

it also has some good things. And one of them was

9:08

this anti-monarchy

9:11

thing going on. So they changed all

9:13

the streets like King Street became Congress

9:15

Street.

9:17

And I'm like, let's get what's

9:19

got. Why do we still love monarchy

9:21

so much in America? It's crazy. So

9:24

anyway,

9:25

that's my little anti-monarchy rant. I'm

9:27

going to say long live the king sounds

9:30

to me

9:31

like what you would say when toasting

9:34

the king. So I'm going to say it's a drink.

9:36

H.A. You are correct.

9:39

Wow. You are crushing these.

9:42

That is indeed a cocktail. This

9:45

one was created by a bar in Charleston,

9:48

South Carolina as a tribute to none

9:50

other than Elvis Presley.

9:52

Oh, OK. But yeah, the king. Why

9:55

don't we call him the president or the you

9:58

know, yeah.

9:59

The con-christman of

10:02

rock and roll, baby. That's

10:05

catchy. Now

10:07

this cocktail, I don't know, you tell me if

10:09

this is your vibe. It's got whiskey,

10:12

banana liqueur, and lime

10:14

juice. Oh, I don't

10:16

know if that's really gonna work for me.

10:18

Something about the banana

10:20

lime, I feel like that can't really mix

10:22

well in the stomach.

10:24

Long Live the King is a cocktail.

10:27

I could totally imagine there being a card

10:29

game with the name, of course, because

10:31

of the King card. But

10:33

you know, AJ, we do a little bit of history

10:36

on this show. And I want to tell you a little

10:38

bit about one of the other face

10:40

cards. Let's always go off

10:42

King this and Yasqueen that.

10:45

But what about the Jack?

10:47

Initiating history pod.

10:50

Now this card was also sometimes called

10:53

a nave back in the day. And

10:55

it does get some love in Lewis

10:57

Carroll's Alice in Wonderland. The

11:00

nave of hearts, you might remember, is famously

11:03

put on trial in the book. The

11:06

charges against him were very,

11:08

very serious. I don't remember

11:10

what the charge was.

11:12

All right, I'm happy to refresh

11:14

your memory with this little excerpt

11:16

from the book. Oh, good. The Queen

11:18

of Hearts, she made

11:19

some tarts all on a summer

11:22

day. The nave of

11:23

hearts, he stole those tarts

11:26

and took them quite away.

11:29

Oh, yeah, he's the tarts dealer.

11:32

Most tarts, yeah. Yeah, you don't

11:34

do that. This sort of makes sense for this nave

11:36

character because the word nave

11:39

refers to a mischievous

11:41

young boy. But in

11:43

the 1800s, one American cardmaker

11:46

changed nave to Jack for

11:48

good because the abbreviation

11:50

K-N was too similar to K

11:52

for king, J for Jack was a

11:54

lot more distinct. And

11:57

that brings us to our second round.

12:00

And this one is called,

12:00

Wait For It. Jacks

12:03

of All Trades. Nice.

12:05

In Jacks of All Trades, I'm going to

12:07

play a clip of a famous Jack.

12:09

Oh, OK. And it is up to you to identify

12:12

the speaker. Ah, I love it. And here

12:14

is a clip of our very first Jack.

12:18

Mike had this idea. He was like, I

12:20

think he should be teaching kids how

12:23

to rock. I was like,

12:25

yes.

12:26

Do it. Go. And now the rest is all just

12:28

gravy.

12:30

OK, I got it. I did get

12:32

it talking about kids and rock and roll.

12:34

And that's a very subdued Jack Black.

12:37

Yes, you got that right.

12:40

This is out of character IRL

12:42

Jack Black. He produced

12:45

a failed TV pilot that

12:47

was based

12:47

on one of my books. But

12:50

I got to meet him briefly,

12:51

and he was a delight. Oh,

12:54

I love to hear it. Yeah. And

12:56

in this clip, you might have heard he's talking about

12:59

a Mike. That Mike he's referring

13:01

to is Mike White. He

13:03

and Jack were neighbors for a time in

13:05

LA. And Mike White ended up writing

13:07

the screenplay for School of Rock, specifically

13:10

for Jack. Thank goodness.

13:13

Interesting about the neighbors. So

13:16

it's all location location. Yeah,

13:19

Bill Clinton and Steven Spielberg, Jack

13:21

Black, and Mike White. And

13:24

as you might know, Mike White went on to

13:26

create the hit series, The White Lotus,

13:28

for HBO. All

13:31

right, AJ, on to our next

13:33

Jack. Let's take a listen.

13:35

There's no longer a mention of Joe Blow,

13:38

Negro Ballplayer, this kind of thing, which is as

13:40

it should be. I think they should be judged solely

13:43

on their abilities out there, and they shouldn't have

13:45

anything to do with it.

13:47

Oh, interesting. OK. I

13:49

have a guess, but I'm not sure.

13:52

I'm not sure. What's your thinking?

13:54

Jack G. Robinson, is

13:56

that possible? Not

13:59

only is it possible.

13:59

It is correct. Yes,

14:02

that was Jack E. Robinson.

14:06

When he joined the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1947, Jackie

14:09

Robinson became the first black player

14:11

to play in the MLB. Robinson

14:15

was also known for his participation

14:17

in the Civil Rights Movement. And

14:19

after he retired from baseball in 1957, he

14:22

made frequent public appearances alongside

14:25

Martin Luther King Jr. The only

14:27

thing we're demanding is that we be

14:29

allowed to move ahead like any other

14:31

American.

14:32

Uh-huh. Pretty amazing.

14:34

Yeah. All right. On to

14:36

another Jack for you, AJ. Here

14:38

is our next clip. I was never

14:41

any different once I was in the White House than I

14:43

was before.

14:44

But the press made you different. All

14:47

the things that I'd always done

14:49

suddenly became wonderful.

14:52

It took me a while. I was very nervous

14:54

there. I was like, I don't know what's going

14:56

on. But the White House, and

14:59

then she's all fancy. So

15:01

I'm going to go with Jack

15:04

E. Onassis slash Kennedy.

15:07

You got it. Yes. A very

15:09

complete answer as well. Thank

15:11

you. I wanted to walk you through

15:14

the inner turmoil

15:15

that I had to go see. Thank you for

15:18

that. That was indeed

15:20

former first lady Jackie Kennedy slash

15:22

Onassis, reflecting

15:25

on her years in the White House. Jackie is

15:27

still beloved for her iconic sense of style

15:29

and for her work in historic preservation.

15:32

She notably took on the restoration of all the

15:34

public rooms in the White House in 1961. I

15:39

do have one piece of Aristotle

15:42

Onassis trivia.

15:42

Ooh. You know,

15:45

he was a famous billionaire shipping

15:47

magnate. I do remember reading some

15:49

article about him where on his yacht,

15:52

the bar stools were

15:54

covered with whale foreskin,

15:58

or so be claimed. Oh, that's...

16:01

Yeah, oh. Oh,

16:03

my. I knew her second

16:06

marriage was eccentric, but I didn't

16:08

know just how much. Wow.

16:11

I feel so much richer for knowing that. Thank

16:14

you, AJ.

16:14

You've taught me so much

16:16

today. I just wanted to give back.

16:18

Right. On

16:22

that gorgeous note, let us take a listen

16:24

to our next Jack. Here

16:27

is your clip.

16:28

My lifelong quest to please that

16:30

woman

16:31

is what made me the man I am today. The

16:33

man who has been the centerfold of

16:36

Fortune magazine no fewer than

16:38

three times. The man who in 1984 wore

16:41

a tuxedo so well he broke up

16:43

the go-go's.

16:44

That is a crazy series of sentences.

16:51

And I am, again, I'm at a bit

16:53

of a loss. There

16:55

is the centerfold

16:58

of Forbes magazine

16:58

makes me think of Jack

17:01

Welch because he is like a

17:03

famously

17:04

rich and successful executive.

17:07

Yeah, that's what I'm going to go

17:09

with, but I don't feel good about it.

17:11

AJ, that is

17:13

incorrect. I am sorry. I thought

17:16

so. I thought so. So

17:18

that was actually Jack Donaghy,

17:21

the fictional VP of East Coast Television

17:23

and Micro-Ace Television and Microwave Oven

17:26

Programming at GE, played

17:28

by Alec Baldwin on 30 Rock.

17:30

In this clip, Donaghy is preparing

17:33

to eulogize his notoriously

17:35

difficult mother, played by the

17:37

one and only Elaine Stritch. Two

17:39

women, Jack, at the same time.

17:42

What are you, Italian?

17:44

RIP. Two are great.

17:47

Now AJ, that brings us to

17:49

the end of our second round. You really

17:51

are a Jack of all Jacks, I've got to say.

17:54

Well, I am learning and loving

17:56

it. And I've only humiliated

17:59

myself. of times so I'm

18:01

feeling okay. Alright with

18:04

all of those okay feelings we

18:06

are going to head into our break

18:08

but stick around because let

18:10

me tell you we will be upping the ante.

18:12

Don't go anywhere.

18:15

Leviathan

18:19

was created a sanctuary.

18:22

No! No! No! No!

18:26

No! Monument. No.

18:29

Oscar. You're not. I'm

18:31

the last refuge of escape.

18:34

We have to leave now. We've

18:39

got magic.

18:41

I am a valkyrie. Damn

18:43

it! I

18:46

murder gods. Please come

18:49

home. And

18:49

I will bring the raging infernos

18:52

of hell to meet me under all

18:54

the water in the

18:55

sea. I'm the last refuge of escape. I'm the last refuge of escape.

18:58

I'm the last refuge of escape. I'm the last refuge of escape. I'm

19:00

the last refuge of escape. I'm the last refuge of escape.

19:03

Leviathan was built to represent hope. It will still be our

19:05

salvation.

19:09

Discover the Leviathan Chronicles and

19:11

listen to all three seasons of the award-winning

19:14

immortal saga available at

19:16

leviathanchronicles.com or

19:18

wherever you get your podcasts. Immortality

19:21

or freedom. Which would you choose?

19:26

Something about Mary Poppins? Exactly.

19:29

This is fun.

19:30

You can get your daily puzzle nuggets delivered

19:32

straight to your ears.

19:34

Listen to the puzzler with me, AJ Jacobs,

19:36

on the iHeart Radio app or

19:38

wherever you get your podcasts.

19:45

Welcome back. We are halfway through

19:47

our card-inspired trivia with guest

19:50

host of the puzzler podcast, AJ Jacobs.

19:53

AJ, how you feeling? Well,

19:55

I loved learning, so even if I

19:57

get it wrong, I feel like I'm...

19:59

a better human afterwards. That's

20:02

my spin. That's my spin for

20:04

when I mess up. I love your mindset.

20:06

Really beautiful, open,

20:08

rationalizing,

20:10

I think is another word

20:12

for it.

20:13

Well, perhaps. But you know what? We

20:16

are going to roll into our next

20:18

round. But before we do, AJ,

20:21

I know you're a big games person,

20:23

but would you call yourself competitive?

20:27

I used to be very competitive.

20:29

Like if we were playing cards and you were

20:31

on my team, it wasn't a pleasant

20:34

experience for the other person because I

20:36

would get very frustrated if I thought, even

20:38

though I'm not saying that I'm that great as

20:40

a card player. So

20:42

I've been working. I've been working at

20:44

it. I see. Well, AJ,

20:46

I'm going to ask you to undo all of

20:48

that work that you've done and tap it

20:50

to your competitive side. Great.

20:54

I'm going to let it out. Yeah, this is

20:56

the time. If you've noticed, we

20:58

haven't been keeping score thus far,

21:01

but that changes

21:04

right now because

21:05

we have reached

21:07

our final round, our lightning

21:10

round. The

21:12

way this works is I'll ask you a series of short

21:15

answer trivia questions all related to

21:17

playing cards

21:17

or at least

21:19

tangentially. You'll have 60 seconds

21:21

to answer as many of them as you can. If

21:23

you don't know the answer, you can pass and I'll go

21:25

to the next question. We will be

21:27

noting your score this round and comparing

21:30

your performance to every single guest we have

21:32

on the show in the future in a massive

21:34

leaderboard. Oh,

21:38

I like it. Okay. Okay. I'm

21:40

going to try. I don't want to be, I'm happy

21:42

to be in the middle of the leaderboard. All right.

21:45

AJ is shooting for the middle. Shooting

21:47

for the middle. Okay, AJ,

21:49

we are going to put 60 seconds

21:51

on the clock. Your time starts

21:55

now. Who released the 2008 song Poker

21:57

Face?

21:59

Lady Gaga.

22:00

Correct. What religious group banned

22:02

card playing in Colonial Pennsylvania?

22:05

Quakers. Correct. Who

22:07

was

22:07

the real Queen of England who had close

22:09

to 300 people executed? Elizabeth?

22:14

Mary I, aka Bloody Mary.

22:17

What is the Netflix series about Claire and

22:19

Frank Underwood? Claire

22:22

and Frank Underwood. I knew this and I can't

22:24

remember past. House of Cards. In

22:27

the 1998 parent trap, what

22:29

game do Hallie and Annie play for their bunkmates?

22:32

Oh, God. Pass.

22:35

Poker. Poker. This

22:37

WNBA team won the 2023 championship.

22:41

Oh, my God. This is embarrassing. Well,

22:43

it's got to be something related

22:45

to the cards.

22:47

Oh, the Las Vegas Aces.

22:50

I should have known that. What is the 2008

22:52

movie about MIT students who learn to count

22:54

cards? Rounder. Oh, no. 21. No.

22:58

21. Correct. 21. I got it

23:00

there. Okay. That

23:02

is time.

23:03

I don't feel great. I

23:07

did not do well.

23:08

I did not have to. Well,

23:11

you know, you did, I would say, a

23:13

perfectly fine job. You scored a

23:16

very solid three points in

23:18

your lightning round. And the good news

23:20

is you are at the middle

23:22

of the leaderboard as well as the top and

23:25

also the bottom. Yes. So,

23:27

hey, you couldn't do any worse or any

23:29

better. You're exactly where you

23:32

need to be. For

23:33

at least a week. I am number one.

23:35

Yes. How do you feel about your trivia

23:37

journey today, AJ?

23:39

Well, I loved it. I think I would have,

23:41

I would be perfectly happy if you had not told

23:44

me to be totally competitive. Like,

23:46

you know, that got me all riled up.

23:48

And now I'm disappointed with myself. So

23:51

I'm going to try to channel

23:54

back my more zen, non-competitive

23:57

side and be like, I had a

23:59

great time. which I did and

24:01

I'm very happy with it how everything

24:03

turned out. Amazing. Sorry

24:06

to push you down a path

24:08

of darkness.

24:09

You did, you opened it up.

24:13

Yeah, I say

24:15

this, I've said this once, I'll say it

24:17

again, trivia is all about psychological

24:20

warfare. That's

24:22

just what you get when you step into the Thunderdome.

24:25

But

24:26

AJ, it has been a pleasure to have you on

24:29

today. Thank you so much for coming

24:31

on the show, playing our twisted

24:33

little game. I

24:35

loved it and I'm honored to

24:37

be a cousin in the Games, Puzzle,

24:39

Fun, Leisure podcast

24:40

category. Yes. AJ,

24:43

thank you again for hanging today. I'm

24:46

sure historians will one day look back on

24:48

this episode as an extremely

24:50

significant

24:51

moment in the history of games. So thank

24:53

you for sharing it with me. It was watershed,

24:55

absolutely. Thank you for having

24:58

me on your delightful show.

25:00

We are back next week with a brand new

25:02

episode featuring host of articles

25:05

of interest, Avery Truffleman. And

25:07

we'll be testing her on all things underwear.

25:10

I was like, I really don't want to wear a bra.

25:13

And I think my

25:14

mom had to be like, you got to wear a bra.

25:16

It's like time.

25:25

Pass Perfect is produced by ZSP Media,

25:28

created by Zach Stuart-Pontier and me,

25:30

Simone Polanin. This episode was written

25:33

and produced by Lauren Newcomb. The supervising

25:35

producer is Liz Styles and featuring

25:37

Karen Chi as the time machine. Fact

25:39

checking by Ian Michael, sound design and mixing

25:42

by Robin Shore, original music and theme

25:44

by J. Blas, with show art by Saul Gonzalez.

25:47

The executive producer is Zach Stuart-Pontier,

25:49

head of production and development is Liz

25:51

Styles. Special thanks to Emily

25:53

Wiedemann and Erica Morrison. You can follow

25:55

me on Instagram at Simone Polanin

25:57

or follow the show at past.

25:59

Perfect podcast. Thanks for hanging.

26:02

See you next week. I

26:05

think I'm going to be at the bottom of

26:07

the leaderboard,

26:07

but hopefully there's going to be someone

26:10

who got like two or one. I'm

26:12

going to

26:12

be listening and rooting for other

26:14

people to mess up. All right, let's

26:16

root for people to fail. Let's

26:19

go.