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The third pick in the twenty twenty

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four NFL Draft, the

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New England Patriots select Drake

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May, quarterback

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North Carolina.

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Hello, Hello, Hello everybody. How are we feeling?

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New quarterback? Just had Drake mayin studio

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a few minutes ago to uh

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do an interview for Patriots Unfiltered that will

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air later tonight. But we're

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excited around here, Alex. Is a pretty exciting

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day, and we just had Drake May out on the field

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and held up the jersey with the crafts

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and did the whole opening

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presentation, if you will. But we're

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gonna talk a little Drake May here today. We're gonna talk

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about the first round. We'll spend the first

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portion of the show doing that, and then

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we'll get into best Available for day two. But we want

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to have the show have a little bit of shelf life, because sure

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we're gonna give all these takes about day two and then five

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hours from now, it's it's all gonna go up and smoke and.

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Some of it, some of it the drink may stuff will blend into

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Day two discussion.

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back, which is fun, So just give us

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a buzz and we'll get you on the air here. But

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before we get into your victory lap

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Barth of me long. Michael

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Pennick, although.

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It's more than just Michael Pennock was a big part of it.

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I did go back and in our mocks on

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the show that we did. I got more picks

2:07

right than you in the time ten So so

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don't victory lap too hard because.

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You had know you would a great I'm victory lapping

2:15

on the general over

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the top draft consensus that I thought got out

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of hint you would a good night last you you were Pennix

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Q before right there with I was you out of

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maybe a little lower roll. It's about patting

2:25

ourselves on the bets. That's absolutely

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what it is. That's the whole thing that it is. It's the day

2:29

after the draft today, in Monday,

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in Sunday is just Victory Lap day. Absolute.

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It is the one, the one thing I'll

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say about the Patriots and drake me

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off the top, and then, like I said, we can talk about the first round

2:41

as a whole as well. I think

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the biggest thing that stood out to me was

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Elliott Wolf basically coming out

2:49

and calling fake news to every single

2:51

report out there that the Patriots. I think

2:53

you what he call it bs some of the reports

2:56

that were out there about I

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think particularly and he didn't

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say this, these are my words. I think

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he think he was talking about the Patriots

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being so connected to JJ McCarthy. I

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don't think that JJ McCarthy was ever a

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serious, serious consideration for the Patriots

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at three. I don't even know if Trey Down

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was that big of a consideration for them. May

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told us last night, I don't know if this was

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He's done so many, so much media.

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No, he said it. I think about the

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call. Yeah, yeah, he said this to us last night.

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Yeah. The call was thirty seconds

3:28

after the Patriots were announced on the clock. You

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know, they did not sit there and whittle

3:33

it all the way down thinking, oh, someone's

3:35

gonna call. And I know Rapaport Schefter

3:37

had the report that the Giants and the Vikings tried

3:40

one last time. I think that's

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what tells you not only was the

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Patriots where the Patriots convinced this was the right

3:47

pick, the Giants and the Vikings also

3:49

thought it was the right pick too. They both

3:51

wanted him also enough to call

3:53

the Patriots and keep on upping their offer to give

3:56

to get him in the building. In Minnesota

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and New York. The Giants didn't even take a quarterback.

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They end up passing on quarterbacks altogether in

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this draft, and they take Malik name.

4:05

More evidence we were right about JJ McCarthy and.

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The bottom line is the Patriots got their guy.

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Now.

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The one thing that I think we're both in agreement on is

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that as exciting

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as a day of today is for me,

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for everybody that's been pro Drake

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May and all Patriots fans that are

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on board, now, the biggest thing

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is is that this is just starting. This is the start.

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You got the guy in the door, you made the pick, you

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made the right pick, you got the quarterback in

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the door. But now comes

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the hard part. Elliot Wolf

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said it himself. It was

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kind of easy to sit there at three and take

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Drake May. All of us could have

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done that. Marine could have done that too, He could

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have picked Drake May at three. He would have

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known what to do. Now comes the hard

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part, because it's about individual

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development for him, and we know he

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needs work in certain areas, as

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every young quarterback does, so it's about

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his individ development. But maybe

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even more importantly, it's about building the roster around

5:04

right and keeping the coaching staff in a good

5:06

position to help him through this process,

5:09

but also building the roster around him, which

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is what we're going to get into when we start discussing some

5:13

of these rumors about day two, some of these trade rumors

5:16

that are out there, Deebo, Samuel Brandon, Aiyuk.

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That's what it comes down to now. And

5:21

we can go on and on and on and debate

5:24

about who the chicken to the egg with mac Jones.

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Was he just never gonna be good or did the

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Patriots screw him up? Or is it a little bit

5:30

of bold which is where I think we always

5:32

have been on the bottom line

5:34

is is that they have to do this differently this.

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So this is how I've put it that

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mac Jones had his missteps in

5:43

over the last three years. But if you can

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look me in the eyes and tell me you

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would be okay from a personnel standpoint,

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both the roster and the coaching staff, that

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you're okay with the next three years going the

5:54

exact same way the last three years did for

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Drake May that you think that's what's best for Drake May.

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Yeah, I think you're kidding yourself, just

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even if mac Jones inherently wasn't the guy.

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And again we can debate that there

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are things they can do better to support the quarterback.

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And that was my callum I wrote last night, was

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Look, this has been a process for all of

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us, and we're not both

6:17

for the team and for the fans, I mean fan we're not used

6:19

to this as fans having to go through the quarterback

6:22

carousel. Even when we went through it in twenty

6:24

one, it was a little different because they

6:27

were picking lower and they

6:30

had re signed Cam Newton. We weren't entirely

6:32

sure if they were going to take a quarterback. We thought

6:34

they might run it back with Cam Newton. This

6:37

was top of the board. Four

6:39

quarterbacks or five quarterbacks, three picks,

6:42

third pick. What are you gonna do? And it

6:44

feels like we've just gotten done with this monumental

6:46

with this monumental process. No

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no, no, no, no, no no, we just

6:51

got done with steph one. The

6:53

process is just beginning. Getting

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the guy in the building is half the battle. Drafting

6:57

the right guys only half the battle. And I think

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they drafted the right guy, But

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that's only half the battle. Now you've got to develop him.

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And you hit on a couple points there. I broke

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it down to three key pillars.

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Yeah.

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One, you got to maintain

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talent on the roster around him, maintain, not

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just add, maintain. Two, you

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need continuity on the coaching staff. If

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Drake May is a success, And maybe I'm getting

7:21

to ahead of myself here, but this is kind of how you have to think.

7:23

If Drake May is a success, Alex

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van Pelt's going to be a head coach within the next three years.

7:28

You can't get caught empty

7:30

handed, you know, holding the bag left at the

7:32

altar when he goes like what happened with Josh McDaniels

7:35

in three Whatever the plan is for

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Drake May in terms of is he going to start

7:39

right away, is he going to come in during his rookie

7:41

season, is the year two? Whatever that plan

7:43

is, have a plan and stick to

7:45

it. Don't futs around with the quarterback

7:48

depth chart because we've seen how that goes.

7:50

And what that all comes down to is

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consistency and continuity. There needs

7:56

to be consistency and continuity surrounding

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Drake May. That's the most important

8:01

thing for him at this point. And it takes a lot of different forms.

8:03

I know we're getting all of the questions on

8:05

the emails, and I'm sure the call is a lot of the questions are gonna

8:07

be what what's next? You know, what do they do now?

8:10

It's not a simple question. It's going to take us about

8:12

an hour to answer, but we're gonna do.

8:14

Yeah. But I feel like to the continuity

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point, to the consistency point, that's

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why it's so attractive to take

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one of these receivers early in the

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second round because they grow together.

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Yeah, they're two young guys and they grow together. Or

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if it's Brandon ai Yuk who was only twenty six

8:30

years old, you know, then they grow together.

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Yeah. But at the same time, you

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know, I think comfort's part of that, getting his blind

8:36

side protected. And there's this

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is the receiver talent in the third round

8:41

is a lot better than tackle talent in the third round.

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Tes Walker his guys right there.

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See I disagree. I think the tackle

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talent at this point has dropped off so

8:50

hard because all these guys went in

8:52

the first round. You know, Tyler Goutton didn't make

8:54

it, Jordan Morgan didn't even make it to the second

8:57

round.

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So there's more wide receiver talent on the board

8:59

right now, then there is a tackle I would agree with you.

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When we get to pick sixty eight, will

9:04

that's still be the case.

9:06

Well, I'm wondering if there's a little lull

9:08

with tackle now because our

9:10

team is going to reach on the tackles. Maybe maybe

9:13

I think maybe I wouldn't

9:16

call it like a reach. With Kingsley, I think

9:18

that's he's a second round pick to me because

9:20

of the traits. But Daniel Jeremiah

9:22

had Kingsley Sue mattiaz as like the one hundred and

9:24

twentieth person on a player on his board.

9:27

I think Daniel jeremias as low as I've seen on

9:30

a you know, out of the big guys right him, Brugler,

9:32

those types of people. But that

9:35

might be a little bit of a reach for some teams. I think. I still

9:37

think Patrick Paul is a little bit of a reach. But maybe

9:40

the tackle, the tackle demand

9:42

pushes all these guys up the board, and then you could

9:45

be right that if they don't jump on at

9:47

Kingsley, they don't jump on too Patrick Paul, even

9:49

to Blake Fisher at some point

9:51

here quickly tonight, then

9:54

they're gonna miss the parade. You know, the parade is

9:56

going to go buy a tackle, and maybe there's a little bit more depth

9:58

of receiver that you'll be able

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to still get an impact player

10:02

at sixty eight at that position. So I

10:04

can hear that. I just think that you know, you look at

10:07

Adie Mitchell, you look at lad McConkie,

10:10

you look at some of these other guys that are still out there

10:12

at the receiver position, and it's enticing.

10:14

It's enticing to have the two of them come in together,

10:17

both rookies, both here

10:20

under contract for at least the next four years

10:22

in the second round picks case, and you

10:24

have this this pairing, you know, kind of Burrow

10:26

and Jamar Chase, Like, it's not gonna be that guy. Yeah, but

10:29

that's the idea.

10:30

So that that's true. The one thing I'll

10:32

push back on with that is

10:36

or not even pushed back on, just so to continue

10:39

that line of thinking. I think we both think

10:41

Adie Mitchell as a football player

10:43

is the best receiver on the board.

10:45

Right.

10:45

Would you agree that he's like a tier above everybody

10:47

else that's left.

10:48

Yeah.

10:49

So, and we do this every

10:51

year where there's one or two players you really

10:53

love and they start falling, and you get

10:55

to a point where what

10:58

does somebody know something? I don't this

11:00

guy still on the board, right, Dwan Jones last year,

11:02

Darnelle Washington.

11:03

We know what it is with Adie Mitchell, but

11:05

do we know the extent I think we

11:07

know what it is. Like Bob McGinn published

11:09

and we talked about this when it came out about

11:12

the diabetes.

11:13

We don't know to what extent it's a concern. Mood

11:16

swings is is at

11:18

what point of him still being

11:20

on the board, do you look at it and say,

11:23

there's something going on here that I don't know about

11:26

that now I'm uncomfortable taking him of all

11:29

these teams are going to pass on Look at the wide

11:31

receiver needy teams that passed on him. I

11:34

just think we know it in this case, we already know what it is,

11:37

Okay, but we don't know the extent. I think

11:39

we know the extent. I think do we But

11:41

that's what I'm saying, like, are you sure? Because so,

11:43

then why did I.

11:45

Think we know that? I think I think we

11:47

know the extent because Adie

11:49

Mitchell is a first round talent all day

11:52

long, and he didn't go in the first round, which means that teams think

11:54

is bad.

11:54

Right, So okay, yes, so it's

11:56

a concern. So if it's a concern, at

11:59

what point, as good of a football player as he is,

12:01

do you look at it and say, you know, at thirty four

12:04

well, clearly all these teams feel there's risk. I'm

12:06

not super comfortable with it.

12:08

I think the bigger thing to me is not necessarily

12:11

about what all the other teams think and the risk and all

12:13

that.

12:13

I'm just saying as a fan, as an observer.

12:16

When we judged the draft, like last

12:18

year, people say, why didn't I criticize the Patriots

12:20

more for letting Duwan Jones fall? Because

12:22

everybody did. Clearly there was something going

12:25

on that I didn't know about. I'm starting to

12:27

wonder if that's gonna be the case with Adie Mitchell, where

12:29

he's gonna en up falling into like the fifties just

12:31

because something because

12:34

X, right, we know what it is.

12:36

I don't know why you're acting like it's like this this four,

12:39

like we have no idea, we know the information.

12:42

I feel like it is that he's a diabetic

12:44

and he has severe moods.

12:46

So I feel like teams told us

12:48

last night that we should be more worried about it than

12:50

maybe we were initially. Yeah, I agree,

12:52

So that's why. So okay, so that's my point.

12:55

Are you taking him at thirty four or does

12:57

his fall last night make you uncomfortable?

13:00

It makes me.

13:02

It doesn't make me uncomfortable because I still

13:04

think the talent is too good to pass up. But

13:08

trying to read the tea leaves of what this organization's

13:11

doing right now, I think that there's

13:13

been so much there's been so much

13:16

what's the word marketing

13:18

done by this coaching staff, if for lack

13:20

of a better term, there's been so much talk

13:24

by Girod Mayo specifically about

13:27

culture and about getting the right

13:29

guys in the building to rebuild the culture.

13:32

Guys that are leaders,

13:34

Guys that have the work ethic, Guys

13:37

like him, frankly when he was a player

13:40

and as talented as Ady Mitchell

13:43

is. If the reports are true from

13:45

Bob McGinn that some

13:47

people in the league think that he's going to have to have a

13:50

handler to manage his

13:52

situation. If

13:54

that's true, then

13:57

I can't imagine that a

14:00

team, this Patriots regime

14:03

is gonna be in on a player like that this early

14:06

on in their their reign. Like if we're

14:08

talking about two to three years from now, and

14:10

Gerrod Mayo already has something established

14:12

here and Drake May's looking great, and they're starting to

14:14

build something, and they want to take a

14:16

chance on a player that has some character

14:19

concerned red flags. That's one

14:21

thing to have him be the second pick of

14:23

the era of the regime and

14:26

put a lot of eggs in. Let's

14:28

call it what it is. As much as I love Drake

14:30

May, those are two boomer

14:32

bus prospects. Either

14:35

we're gonna look back on this two years

14:37

from now and Drake May and Ay Mitchell are

14:39

gonna be Pro Bowl perennial Pro

14:41

Bowl talent, yeah, or they're gonna are there, gonna

14:43

be complete.

14:44

The other thing is I think you factor in two just in

14:46

terms of the organization to look at it. How many times

14:48

now is Elliot Wolf told us he wants more picks the value

14:51

of that thirty fourth pick. So if you

14:53

have questions about that guy and you're

14:55

thinking about trading back anyway, you're

14:57

probably gonna get value for that pick.

15:00

Like so, I look at a trade that I

15:02

think it's the Falcons made in

15:04

twenty two with the Giants where

15:07

they they moved back. The

15:09

equivalent for the Patriots would be, I look

15:12

at you know, you'd get a high forties

15:14

pick, so forty forty one, forty

15:16

two, maybe somewhere in that range, maybe even like thirty

15:18

eight thirty nine, and then you'd get

15:21

one of the first picks on

15:23

Day three, so one oh one, one

15:25

oh three, or they have one of three one one one o two,

15:28

one oh four somewhere in there that

15:30

I don't know how realistic this is because the team

15:32

that makes the most sense to do it from the Patriots point

15:34

of view is the Panthers. With the Panthers trade

15:36

back up, probably not, but they're

15:38

also weird as hell, so I'm not gonna roll it

15:41

out.

15:41

And they also didn't have a first round pick, so

15:43

maybe they do want to get aggressive, and so well

15:45

they did. They ended up trading back in.

15:47

But right, but I'm saying if they do it again, So if you're

15:49

the Patriots, you'd be looking at And I put this in my

15:52

mid draft mock draft last night.

15:55

It's the only trade I did. I just want you to know

15:57

that it's the only trade I did in the mid draft mock draft.

15:59

You didn't do seventeen million, only one

16:01

I call BS thirty. I'll show

16:04

it you thirty four for thirty nine and one oh

16:06

one.

16:07

Thirty four for thirty nine and one oh one.

16:10

So I think the thing about trading down in this

16:13

this range is that you

16:15

get the extra pick and you feel a little bit more comfortable,

16:18

let's say at thirty nine, or maybe a little bit further

16:20

down in the forties, you feel a little bit more

16:23

comfortable with some of these receivers

16:25

that aren't eighty. Like I would take Adie Mitchell there because

16:27

the talent. I would take Adie Mitchell at thirty four

16:29

because so you. I would. I

16:31

would.

16:32

But I'm getting cold feet. You can. You can. I'm not.

16:34

I'm not pounding the table. You can come after me for that. I getting

16:36

cold feet.

16:37

I don't think they will because of the reasons

16:40

I just laid out, because of the of I

16:43

don't think this. I think this regime is trying to

16:45

get the right people to delay the foundation,

16:47

and I think they're trying to look for character guys as

16:50

much as talent. And I know

16:52

Drake May isn't necessarily like the character guy

16:54

out of the quarterback class would have been JJ McCarthy

16:57

or Penix, not necessarily Drake May. But

16:59

all the reviews down in North Carolina

17:01

are very positive about Drake May as a leader

17:04

and as a person as

17:06

well. And we saw it out on the field, you know, bringing

17:08

his brothers up here bringing his girlfriend with him

17:10

like that. That's a family man. It's and you know what it's

17:13

he said, if you're getting me, you're getting all of us, you

17:15

know. Like that, that's the type of loyalty.

17:17

Yeah, that type of leadership that you wanted.

17:19

There's a different overall attitude

17:21

with him from the last couple

17:23

of guys.

17:24

I would say, so Bonzo's is quiet.

17:26

No quarterback quarterbacks, so attitude

17:30

wise, we tried to compare Mac to Brady. I don't

17:32

think it was perfect, but like that more

17:34

stoic guy, but like he's

17:37

a lot Drake May is a lot more like cam I.

17:39

We were talking about this we were walking off the field. He's

17:41

kind of got like a rock Groundkowski thing going on.

17:44

He's he's he's a little goofy

17:47

and he's Goofy's Southern, so he's got the accent.

17:49

He's having fun, like he's having he

17:53

I think he was enjoying talking to the media today. I don't I'm

17:55

not saying that's his favorite thing to do. Yeah, but

17:57

he kind of got up there and he's like, I got a bunch of things I

17:59

want to say, like I'm happy to be a patriot, My

18:01

family's here. That's great.

18:03

He'll he'll find out eventually when they all

18:05

turn on him in a couple months.

18:06

He's a kid in a candy store. And some of that is he just got

18:09

drafted. But you got that appearance. He

18:11

kind of got that vibe from him at UNC too.

18:13

And yeah, Elliot Wolf talked about it last night

18:15

that he would go up to the podium. He's one of the only quarterbacks

18:18

in the draft that after every loss he'd go up to the

18:20

podium and talk to the media. And I know this is going

18:22

to come across as Oh, the media is happy they got somebody

18:24

that has talked to him. No, it's I'm

18:26

happy they got somebody that embraces it

18:28

seems like, embraces all that comes with being

18:31

a quarterback. That's there's

18:33

a lot more to that than it maybe sounds.

18:35

Yeah, I think I think

18:37

the family aspect of this whole thing was

18:40

a maybe more of a factor for

18:42

the decision makers here than it would

18:44

have been for us. Like we're all about the football player, right

18:47

and in the leadership sometimes too, But we

18:49

don't know these guys personally. So I'm not gonna sit here

18:51

and tell you that I know the type of guy

18:53

that all these quarterbacks are. I'm more gonna talk

18:55

about what we see with our eyes. But

18:58

I think the factor for this for

19:00

the organization when it came to Drake

19:02

May. He is the youngest

19:05

of four brothers, three of which

19:08

are all very very talented athletes

19:10

in their own right, national champions one

19:13

D one athletes. His brother is a professional

19:15

basketball player overseas. His

19:17

other brother won a national championship

19:20

at Florida on their baseball team. Uh,

19:23

his brother, his other brother, I don't. I think he

19:25

might be playing the one that's playing overseas. He was on

19:27

the North Carolina basketball team. Yah,

19:30

and like hit like a really big shot for the North

19:33

Carolina and like a tournament game or something

19:35

like that. You know, he was a really good basketball

19:37

player. So we've

19:39

seen other families like this before. You mentioned the

19:41

Gronkowskis, you know, the Mannings, like those

19:44

types of families. Oftentimes

19:46

the youngest has been beaten up on for

19:50

decades by the older guys, and

19:52

it does, it does start to make

19:56

them tougher, make them more competitive. You

19:58

know, you're you're the younger one, You're you're always

20:00

going to be smaller than them. For most of your

20:02

life. He actually still is shorter, I

20:05

think than all of them. I think he's the shortest out of all

20:07

of them at six foot four, which is telling you something

20:09

as well. Because dad played football

20:11

at North Carolina as a quarterback at North Carolina

20:14

back in the day, played a little bit in the Arena League, so

20:17

there's a lot of that's

20:19

a family of athletes. I think

20:21

that was a factor as well. We're

20:25

saying a lot of positive things as we should

20:27

about Drake May I think the big

20:30

thing though, as we move

20:32

forward, and I asked him about this on our interview

20:34

with PU and he mentioned Clyde Christensen who's

20:36

down at North Carolina as a coaching assistant,

20:39

a quarterback mechanic guru. You

20:41

know, one of those guys like a Jordan

20:43

Palmer, Quincy Avery, you know, one of those quarterback

20:45

guys that's going to be the next

20:47

steps for him obviously, are going to be working

20:50

on his footwork, working on his drops, working

20:52

on his timing, working on his throwing

20:54

motion, trying to tighten that up a little bit. But

20:59

I don't have any any real concerns

21:01

about it yet that because

21:04

I don't think he's gonna start right away. I do think

21:06

they're gonna take I do think they're gonna take

21:09

their time with him. But that being said,

21:11

to get on that topic a little bit.

21:13

Real quick, one of our listeners tweeted something

21:15

and I just have to show you this. Oh God, what have you

21:17

seen this yet?

21:18

No?

21:19

You know the distracted boyfriend meme. Yes,

21:22

it's you, Josh Allen and

21:25

Drake May.

21:27

Why is everybody so obsessed with me and

21:29

Josh Allen.

21:30

Because you're obsessed with Josh Allen.

21:32

Well, I am not obsessed with Josh Allen. That's

21:34

not true. I said one thing to

21:36

him in the tunnel and at at

21:39

an Orchard Park one time,

21:41

like two years ago, and I haven't been

21:43

able to live in I just showed you.

21:45

I just showed you a funny meme. You're the one that's getting defensive.

21:48

I'm not getting defensive.

21:49

I just I just getting defensive.

21:52

I can't, for the life of me figure it out. I

21:54

can't. I love You're right, I

21:56

love Josh Allen. That's why I love Drake

21:58

May because I think he plays at little bit like Josh Allen.

22:01

So now we have our own Josh Allen. That's gonna be fun.

22:03

I'm looking forward to it. But getting back

22:05

on topic to the more important things here, uh

22:08

the when he plays. I

22:10

actually think a lot of people, I

22:13

think are under the impression. And I understand

22:15

the logic that if the Patriots are

22:17

struggling out of the gate, you know, Jacoby Brissett's

22:19

one and five, he's ozho and four, they're

22:22

two and six, that the roars

22:24

for Drake, you know, the chatter for Drake

22:26

May is going to become a roar. And this, to

22:28

me is going to be probably the

22:31

toughest thing that Gerard Mayo

22:33

is going to have to do as a young coach. Is

22:35

not only managed the outside

22:38

noise, but I also manage the noise in the locker room. Because

22:40

if Drake May is tearing up practice and they're losing

22:42

games on Sundays with Jacoby Brissett, then

22:44

the players in the locker room are going to start to think, why

22:47

aren't we playing the best guy here? But

22:50

I actually feel as though if the Patriots

22:52

have some early success, it almost

22:55

makes it more appealing to expedite the timeline.

22:57

If they're one in five, I don't want to throw them out there

23:00

on a one to five football team and expect him to be the

23:02

savior and turn the whole thing around by himself.

23:05

Now, if they're hanging in there

23:07

in games and they're three and three

23:10

and they're a little feisty.

23:11

Well they I wouldn't even go to the record, Like if they're one and five

23:13

but they're losing a bunch of one score games because

23:15

the offense isn't going.

23:18

Yeah, right, it looked like the last

23:21

I guess I just feel as though,

23:24

let's not talk about the record. It's more

23:26

about the eye test of how the offense looks. If

23:28

all of a sudden, there's some pieces that are starting to come

23:31

together offensively, Like they

23:33

draft a receiver tonight and he's

23:35

a hit, you know, they draft you

23:37

know, Lad mccaukeeye and he ends up being a good

23:40

player, Or they draft a left tackle

23:42

tonight and he ends up being a good player.

23:44

Now, all of a sudden, you got some protection, you got some guys

23:46

for him to throw the ball to. Regardless of the

23:48

record or how the offense is doing, I'd

23:50

be more encouraged to put him in there if

23:54

the other pieces all of a sudden have are look

23:56

a little bit better. The last thing I want to

23:58

do is throw him in there to the wo with everything

24:01

a train wreck around him, expecting him to

24:03

come in and say and fix everything by himself.

24:06

I think Dad's doing him a disservice. I agree with you

24:08

though that you have to stick to your guns. But

24:10

I will say I hope they don't make the decision

24:13

of we're gonna sit him for the whole year.

24:15

We're not gonna sit him for the whole year. Were gonna sit him for this amount

24:17

of time until we get all the way through training

24:19

camp in the preseason.

24:20

So I agree with that. I wouldn't

24:22

go fools gold with the preseason though, like we

24:25

gotta tempt our expectations with the pre they'll

24:27

know, they'll they'll know, but we right. But

24:29

it goes back to I think have a plant, stick to it. Whatever

24:33

the plan is, don't wishy washy

24:35

on it. Yeah, it's gonna be tough when they're one and five and there's

24:37

a lot of noise, But if the plan is

24:39

to sit them, you have to sit them, and that's what they're

24:41

signing up for here.

24:44

Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna

24:46

be tough. I mean, we're gonna talk about it on these shows.

24:48

Your station's gonna talk about it.

24:50

Oh, I say that's all we're gonna do.

24:52

It's gonna be all. It's gonna be wall to wall. When is

24:54

a time? When is a time when don't we going to Drake May? When

24:56

don't we going to Drake May? And I'm not blaming

24:58

any and I say this, it's going to be the.

25:00

Case the whole He needs two years. People

25:02

get out of here. Yeah, Like, if

25:05

he's not starting week

25:07

one twenty twenty five, something's gone wrong. I'll

25:10

say that he will be.

25:11

But even if he's

25:14

even if it's even if he's not ready, he's going

25:16

to be starting by week one twenty twenty five.

25:18

Right, Yeah, that's just the way I love to set one way

25:20

or the other. If he's not starting week one twenty twenty

25:22

five, something's gone wrong.

25:24

He's The Patriots are not Jordan loving

25:26

Drake Man. No, they they don't have a lot.

25:28

I was more talking about like a Trey Lance thing where

25:31

he just never gets on the field. Well no, I'm just saying

25:33

like that's what i'd beat, that's what would come up. But

25:37

I know I I wouldn't

25:39

be surprised if he starts some games this year. I wouldn't.

25:41

But I don't think it's coming right out the gate. Yeah,

25:44

the real question is who's

25:47

the backup and what do they do in

25:49

terms of how much do they protect him from

25:52

going on the field, because if Jacoby

25:54

Brisset the look I like Jacoby Brissett. I think he's the

25:56

right guy for the situation. But the one thing about Jacoby

25:58

Brissett, he gets hurt a

26:00

lot. Yeah, And are they gonna go to Bailey's

26:03

Appy? Are they gonna go Nathan Rourke

26:06

and you know, make sure that Drake May

26:08

doesn't get exposed until they want him to get exposed

26:11

or is Drake May's timeline kind

26:13

of dependent on Jacoby Rssett staying healthy.

26:16

That to me is gonna be the real question, and

26:18

it'll get really interesting when we get to cut down date. Does

26:20

Bailey Zappy make this team?

26:21

Yeah, I just think that decide

26:25

at the end of the summer.

26:26

Yeah, we got we got a long way to go for that. But I think

26:28

that's a discussion.

26:29

I understand not throwing him out there

26:31

right away regardless if

26:34

you really feel that it's better for him to

26:36

hold a clipboard behind Jacoby for six

26:38

weeks, eight weeks, whatever. But I'm

26:41

super high on the player I have been before they

26:43

even drafted him. So don't hit me with, oh, you're changing

26:45

your mind now because he's a Patriot.

26:47

No, we've been where, We've been this way.

26:49

This whole time.

26:50

Although you should hear my J. J. McCarthy.

26:52

We'll get to that in a second. I think the biggest

26:54

thing is I

26:56

think we're gonna go out there in the spring,

26:59

in the summer, and it's

27:01

going to be very, very obvious how talented

27:04

this kid is to everybody that's watching these practices

27:07

in the preseason games too. But we're gonna be

27:09

watching training camp practice where he's gonna have reps

27:12

against the Patriots starting defense, which

27:14

is gonna be a top ten defense in the NFL, regardless

27:17

of how the offense plays, the defense is gonna

27:19

be said, and they're gonna be a good defense this year.

27:21

And if Drake May is out there and

27:23

he's throwing bombs and he's going

27:26

toe to toe with the Patriots defense in practice

27:28

and he looks the part just like Mac did in twenty

27:30

twenty one when it was clear that he was the

27:32

better quarterback than Cam Newton and he should start

27:34

the year, that's when it

27:36

gets interesting because maybe

27:39

he is ready faster than we think.

27:41

But that's what I'm saying. You gotta be careful with the fools

27:43

goal to the preseason because.

27:45

I'm not talking about the games. Yeah, I'm talking about

27:47

the practices even here's it. But

27:49

it's because it's not just it's not just the throws

27:51

themselves, right Like CJ Stroud first

27:54

game of the preseason here c

27:56

throw threw a pick to Jalen mills On like the second

27:59

drop back of his NFL career. In the preseason,

28:02

it's more mental. It's more about his mental

28:04

grasp of the offense and his ability

28:06

to run Alex Van Pelt's system than it

28:08

is about is he going to be the more talented guy. Of

28:11

course, he's going to be the most talent.

28:12

Here's what you have to be cognizant

28:14

of. Once he's in

28:16

there, he's in there,

28:19

you cannot you cannot bench

28:22

him as a rookie. We

28:25

saw the last two years when

28:27

you start screwing around the quarterbacks like that,

28:30

yeah, what happens. So you

28:32

have to be sure when

28:36

you go to him that it's time

28:38

because once you flip that switch, there is

28:40

no going back. There's

28:42

no going back. So that to me

28:45

is what's monumentally important all this the

28:47

other thing that becomes sneaky important here, and we'll

28:49

get to this probably in about a month. Right, when's

28:52

the bye week? When's the Thursday

28:54

night game? In that mini bye Those

28:56

are going to be factors too as we start to talk about

28:59

this, because let's say they feel good about him coming

29:01

out of camp, right, but the bye week's

29:03

like week five, Yeah, then it's

29:05

all right, you know, we feel good, but we can

29:07

buy we have a little bit of time here, and we'll have some

29:09

extra time to get him in mac jones here. I think the

29:11

bye week was like week eleven, and then

29:13

they didn't play Thursday football till after.

29:15

It was after the indie Indie game, right

29:18

all right before after the Buffalo game,

29:20

and then the indie game was coming off right, that was.

29:22

Late, and then the Thursday night game was super

29:24

late too, I think it was. I think they went Thursday Night

29:27

then the Buffalo game than the bye Yeah, so

29:31

ultimately it didn't matter because they cut Cam out of camp.

29:33

But we're

29:35

getting into real nerd stuff here, but this is what we do. The

29:38

bye week's now important. When's the bye week?

29:41

Yeah, it's important, and I would also say

29:43

that.

29:45

You have to.

29:47

I am more concerned about

29:50

what happens again internally,

29:53

if it's very, very crystal

29:55

clear to everybody that he's the best quarterback

29:57

on the roster, you're gonna have to show some

30:00

o gumption to keep him on the bench.

30:02

But that's why again, if the bye week's week five, it becomes

30:04

a little easier.

30:05

Yeah, that's true.

30:07

That that's why I'm saying that matters.

30:08

All right, before we open it up here, Uh,

30:11

I'll give you your your stage, I'll give you your

30:13

platform, uh to tell me that you were

30:15

right and I was wrong about Michael

30:18

Pennick's half wrong. I was right.

30:20

I was gonna give you I was gonna

30:22

say because I want to

30:24

say this.

30:26

I sat here and I argued

30:29

with you semantically as we do. Yeah,

30:31

for probably an extra fifteen minutes that

30:33

we weren't. Neither one of us was going to budge.

30:36

And I told you that it was crazy that Michael

30:38

Pennix Junior was going to go in the top ten.

30:40

You told me I was wrong. He goes eight overall

30:42

to the Atlanta Falcons, which you love. For

30:45

some reason.

30:45

I love that pick.

30:46

Nobody else in the world loves it.

30:48

Except is it my favorite pick? All

30:50

right? Is it the best pick?

30:52

You know who doesn't love that pick? Arthur Blank?

30:54

He looked pissed.

30:56

He looked pissed, Arthur Arthur Blank.

30:57

You know he just gave a blank check

31:00

to Kirk Cousins and now he's got an eighth overall

31:02

quarterback. He's got nothing to do.

31:03

So let me explain. Let me explain. Nice,

31:07

thank you, Let me let me talk about Penix,

31:09

and then we'll talk about the pick itself, what

31:13

I where I feel, and I want to give like

31:15

you never bought the JJ maharthy McCarthy.

31:17

I you saw through the injuries on Michael

31:19

Penox. You were one of the few people who did that. I want you to

31:21

get credit for that as well. The

31:24

real victory lap here for me, the

31:27

whole trade down for a quarterback. Oh,

31:30

you can get Penis at a life, But we were talking about

31:32

Penis at thirty four.

31:33

I know I did a mock draft early

31:35

on in the process where I had them

31:38

taking like all he went.

31:39

Eighth, and he went eighth.

31:42

When teams like quarterbacks,

31:45

they go. Teams

31:47

don't wait on quarterbacks.

31:50

You have to admit that part of the reason

31:52

why you love the pick is because you were you

31:54

were right about that he was going to go. No, I

31:56

actually got the pick for Atlanta. Makes zero sound

31:59

here. No, I'm going to justify it. I'm

32:01

going to justify in a couple of ways. One and

32:03

this was my whole take throughout the process for the

32:05

Patriots. What was I screaming

32:08

above all else? If you like the quarterback,

32:11

you take the quarterback. They did that.

32:14

The Patriots did that. They liked the quarterback, and.

32:17

So did the Falcons. There is nothing

32:19

more valuable in this league, Evan than

32:22

a good quarterback. The

32:24

Falcons saw a good quarterback on the board

32:26

and they took him. I refuse to

32:28

call that a bad pick. Is it the best pick

32:30

they could have made? No, but they drafted a

32:33

good quarterback. Since kicking team

32:36

for drafting good quarterback as it specifically

32:38

relates to the Falcons, I

32:41

think we'd be looking at this a lot differently if

32:44

Kirk Cousins was in year two of a five year

32:46

deal instead of year one of a four year deal. Yes,

32:49

did they rub him the wrong way? Probably, But

32:53

you have a thirty six year old coming off a torn

32:55

achilles. He's not exactly

32:58

a sure thing. Worst

33:00

case scenario, Kirk Cousins

33:03

balls out and now you have a seamless

33:05

transition to the next guy, because we've all learned

33:07

here in New England how important it is to have

33:09

a seamless transition to the next guy.

33:11

Yeah, and not gonna have Cat Rogers Jordan

33:13

Love situation.

33:14

Right on their hands or Cousins

33:17

isn't all its cut, it's it you know, we

33:19

think he's gonna be and you have

33:21

somebody else they're ready to go. I

33:24

think some of this is people over selling Cousins.

33:26

I think some of the people under selling Pennics. And look,

33:29

he's twenty four, he's old for a prospect.

33:31

It's more just about the contract.

33:32

He's twenty four, gets that he's twenty

33:34

four, he's old for a prospect. He's not an old

33:37

man. I mean he's gonna be twenty five,

33:39

twenty six and he takes over that. So on the contract.

33:41

Yes, it's heavily guaranteed. It's a lot of money. Most

33:44

of that money's in the first two years. Do

33:47

we really think Kirk Cousins is gonna play out all

33:49

four years of that contract and played till heast forty Do

33:52

any of these contracts get played to their finish.

33:54

No, look at what just happened with the Broncos and Russell

33:56

Wilson and all the money they ate.

33:58

You were right, your guy went, you

34:00

were right. I'm the you don't

34:02

the pick was the pick was a little weird.

34:04

It's it's weird, but it's not bad.

34:06

I understand it. I like it. It's not the best

34:08

pick they could have made. I think Roma Dunes it would have made

34:11

more sense. It's probably what I would have identified was in

34:13

their shoes. Yeah, but I

34:15

will never It is so hard in this league

34:17

to get a good quarter After all we just went through is Patriots

34:19

fans evan a team drafted

34:22

a good quarterback and we're going to criticize them for it. And

34:25

you know, worst worst case scenario Kirk comes is

34:27

nasty. Maybe Michael Pennix

34:29

goes out there, lights it up in the preseason and

34:31

you trade them.

34:32

Oh, now you're trading them, Well, how

34:34

is this Is it that different? He drafted him

34:36

eighth. Overall, you're not going to get anything better back

34:39

than that.

34:40

Patriots didn't get back their investment for Jimmy Garoppolo.

34:42

Yeah, it's similar, it's similar. No,

34:45

they ripped the Niners off because Jimmy Garoppolo wasn't good,

34:48

but they didn't. Yeah, yeah, they had

34:50

gotten more from him beginning of the ease. Maybe

34:52

you trade him. The other thing is how

34:54

much money did the Seahawks give Matt Flynn? Oh

34:57

my god, how much money did the Seahawks?

35:00

Mat went way better than Matt Flynn.

35:02

He's thirty six, he's coming off in Achilles. Are

35:04

you sure he was already sure?

35:06

Never played a down of football better than

35:08

Kirk Cousins in his life.

35:10

That Week seventeen game got him paid.

35:12

No, that's ridiculous. I'm just saying, Kirk

35:15

Cousins, is it?

35:16

Is it a weird pick? Is it an unusual

35:19

pick? Yes, I'm not gonna sit here and say

35:21

it's chock. I didn't see it coming. I

35:23

saw Panics in the top ten, just not to Atlanta. But

35:27

I don't think it's a bad pick. I don't. I

35:29

don't think it's a bad pick.

35:30

I know it's funny. I

35:34

saw what I did love about what

35:36

happened with the quarterbacks, and

35:39

it's not it's not about

35:42

patting ourselves in the back. It's not

35:44

about victory laps. Everyone's

35:46

going, oh, I haven't so arrogant, you know, putting

35:48

pat himself on the back. It's not about

35:50

that, you know what it's about. It's

35:52

about so many people that

35:55

that told me made me feel like I

35:57

was freaking taking crazy pills because

36:00

of JJ McCarthy and that JJ

36:02

McCarthy. People had JJ McCarthy

36:04

and play to the Commanders at two to the Patriots

36:07

at three, and we all kept.

36:08

See we find out the commanders like didn't. Oh no, it

36:11

was between McCarthy and Daniels, I think is what

36:13

came out. And all all

36:15

I.

36:16

Kept saying was that if I was

36:18

the Minnesota Vikings, I

36:20

would just call everybody's bluff.

36:22

I call it in Harbaugh. Harbaugh's

36:25

gushing over this guy. Well, according

36:27

to Tom, Harbaugh didn't have a great raft either.

36:28

According to Tom Kern, the Patriots

36:31

offered the third overall pick to the Chargers

36:33

for Justin Herbert, and

36:36

Harbor could have taken it, and he could have taken

36:39

the greatest quarterback in Michigan history,

36:41

JJ McCarthy and taking

36:44

his boy. And he didn't do it either. So

36:47

JJ McCarthy was QB five. He

36:49

was QB five on tape. He was QB

36:51

five. The whole process and

36:53

all of you people, not everybody,

36:56

but a lot of people try to convince

36:58

me that in try to convince you that

37:01

you didn't know what you were talking about, Alex, that you

37:03

were bad at this, that you didn't understand quarterbacks,

37:06

that you didn't know what you're talking about. JJ McCarthy's

37:08

gonna be the best pro quarterback now with all

37:11

that you know, obviously,

37:14

like you know, tooting my own horn a little.

37:15

Bit, today's victory laugh, they

37:17

do it.

37:18

All of that said, the one

37:20

thing I will tell Patriots fans be

37:22

prepared for JJ McCarthy

37:25

to have a better rookie season. I'll say, be prepared

37:27

for JJ McCarthy to have the Mac

37:29

Jones twenty twenty one rookie season. He

37:31

has better weapons, he has an offensive

37:34

play callers that's really good at this, and Kevin

37:36

O'Connell as the head coach in Minnesota. He

37:38

has justin freaking Jefferson to throw

37:40

the ball to. He's got a

37:42

pretty solid floor that he probably will

37:45

start really soon. He's probably the best

37:47

quarterback. He's better than Sam Darnold already.

37:49

I would say most likely he's gonna

37:51

start in Minnesota and they're gonna be frisky

37:54

they're gonna be a decent team, and

37:57

I don't It reminds me really a

37:59

lot a lot in

38:01

theory yeap of Trevor

38:04

Lawrence versus mac Jones after their rookie

38:06

seasons, where Trevor looked rough

38:09

because of what was going on around to him at Jacksonville.

38:12

Hopefully the Patriots situation is a lot better than the

38:14

Urban Meyer situation, but the supporting

38:17

cast might not be better. It might be on

38:19

the same playing field as Jacksonville's.

38:22

So be prepared for JJ McCarthy to win

38:24

nine or ten games as a game manager in Minnesota,

38:27

basically doing a glorified version of what

38:29

he did at Michigan, and them winning

38:31

nine or ten games, and people are gonna

38:33

say that we were wrong and that the Patriot should

38:35

have taken McCarthy, not recognizing

38:37

that he went to the perfect situation

38:40

for his skill set.

38:41

No, so I said the whole time, JJ McCarthy

38:44

was going to be a product of his environment, and that's why

38:46

I didn't love him here. Minnesota is the best place

38:48

from mc gone. He's probably gonna be pretty good there until

38:51

you know, Justin Jefferson gets hurt again

38:53

or Jordan Addison leaves or whatever, but

38:56

he went to the right spot. And credit to the Vikings, they

38:58

did a good job being patient. I

39:01

would say, if we were ranking the best

39:03

fits between team and quarterback, that's

39:06

the top of the list easily. Yeah, I would go. I'd

39:09

go McCarthy Vikings one, Pennix Falcons

39:11

two, Williams Bears three,

39:13

Patriots, May four, and then way

39:17

at the bottom of the list is the

39:19

Broncos and Bonis. Oh yeah, dude, the

39:21

Broncos. So we always so the Broncos and

39:23

Bonick. Sorry to cut you off.

39:24

Yeah, you're not gonna throw this out there to

39:26

laugh at it because it's I think it's funny.

39:29

Yeah.

39:30

How long does it take Sean Payton to compare

39:32

him to Drew Brees?

39:33

Has he not done it yet?

39:34

Because in theory,

39:37

in theory, there are

39:40

some similarities to the skill

39:42

sets, right like not saying

39:45

he's gonna be as good as Drew Brees, who

39:47

once held the passing record in the NFL. Not

39:50

saying that. But I

39:53

am not surprised that Sean Payton

39:55

likes bo Nicks because he's a from the

39:57

pocket on time at at

40:00

the first two levels good in the quick

40:02

game. A lot of these things I'm

40:05

saying or are kind of describing Drew Brees.

40:07

Yeah, but he's not Drew Brees.

40:09

Of course he's not. But that's that's

40:11

the point. That's the coach, right, the coach is taking him

40:13

that I think thinking worst

40:16

case scenarios. He's you know, he's

40:19

a store brand Drew Brees.

40:22

Yeah, I guess I don't. But then why

40:24

trade for But could they say the same thing about Zach

40:26

Wilson. I feel like the Broncos don't

40:28

have a planet quarterback. I feel like they're kind

40:30

of let's get as many guys in this room and

40:33

hopefully one of them works out and they use

40:35

the twelfth overall pick to do it. It's just wild.

40:37

So last thing about the quarterbacks.

40:41

This is something I mentioned on our show last night, and

40:44

I think that this was a driving force

40:47

of why we saw six quarterbacks

40:49

go in the top twelve just record, right, record.

40:52

I think six quarterbacks

40:54

in the top twelve picks, which is an obscene

40:57

Yeah, but the quarterbacks go. So

41:01

I think that the biggest reason, or one

41:03

of the biggest driving forces of all of this is

41:06

the twenty twenty five quarterback class.

41:08

That Tom Fournelli had a great tweet last night,

41:10

he goes, you gotta take bow Nicks twelfth overall

41:14

when the whole draft next year is full of bon Nicks.

41:16

I think the league just told you that the

41:18

draft next year quarterback stinks and

41:21

they know it.

41:22

Who's been telling you that for a long and they

41:25

know it.

41:25

And if you don't take one the

41:28

next year, if you put Michael

41:31

Pennix, if you put JJ McCarthy,

41:33

if you put boon Nicks in next year's

41:35

quarterback class, there could be one in the class.

41:37

I don't know about Nix and McCarthy, but yeah,

41:40

the rest of them.

41:41

Just because of how good the quarterbacks this year

41:43

are. You have to stack it this

41:45

year, twenty twenty three class,

41:47

how do they stack up, twenty twenty five class?

41:50

How do they stack up? Because you know that's how

41:52

you should be doing it right.

41:53

And that's, by the way, another part of the reason I think the Falcons

41:55

took Pennix.

41:56

What if it's tough next

41:59

year.

41:59

What if Couzin ankle isn't right and

42:01

now next now you're two years out. Yeah,

42:03

because you're not gonna get the guy next year holding the bag.

42:06

They took care of themselves ahead of time. As a lot of

42:08

these teams did. That's why I'm surprised. I'm

42:10

kind of surprised the Giants didn't take

42:12

McCarthy or Penix. I'm I'm kind of surprised that ankle

42:15

quarterback. It's a rough it's a rough

42:17

class next year. And yeah, there's probably gonna

42:19

be one guy that emerges

42:21

as the Jaden Daniels.

42:22

But that's one guy.

42:23

One guy. I think I

42:25

think Sho will be a top five thing. Shador is

42:28

probably the guy, and then maybe you get

42:30

maybe like one other guy like you

42:33

we cam Ward. Somebody is gonna

42:35

surprise us and they'll be I don't think it'll

42:37

be quite as bad as the twenty two class here,

42:40

No, it'll be I think it'll be like

42:43

last year minus Anthony Richardson.

42:45

You think it would be that good.

42:47

I didn't think last year's class was that good.

42:49

I mean, c J.

42:49

Stroud is a dog, yeah, but he wasn't.

42:52

I'm talking about in the lead up, like c J. Shroud

42:54

seated expectations right, there were questions

42:56

about.

42:57

I just think him and Bryce Younger are near

42:59

the top of a quarterback class.

43:00

I don't think so, not Bryce, you don't

43:02

think so so small, he's tight. He is

43:05

small, but I mean Kyler was small.

43:07

I think it'll be small. I think it'll be somewhere

43:09

between twenty two and twenty three. I think it'll

43:11

be better than twenty two, but I don't think it'll be as good as twenty

43:13

three.

43:14

That's fair. I just think that the league looked at

43:16

it and at least what we know now and all we can do is

43:18

operate with the information we have at this present

43:21

moment. What we know of now that quarterback

43:23

class, it looks rough on papers,

43:26

and I think a lot of these teams said we we

43:29

can't do it. A lot of people called into

43:31

the show, and there's there's logic to it

43:34

of the Patriot should trade down and

43:36

they should punt on quarterback. They should

43:38

use all their assets to build up the roster and then take

43:40

the quarterback next year. How many times did we hear that over

43:43

the last six months. Yep, And

43:46

the league was not doing it. No one was

43:48

wait until twenty twenty five for the quarterbacks,

43:50

no one.

43:51

So it was.

43:52

It was a fascinating night. I did

43:55

get the first six picks correct in our top ten

43:57

mock draft. I see you have the Chargers taking

43:59

all, Yeah, that's the I don't

44:01

know. I thought herr Maybe I gave Horrbor too much credit.

44:04

How do you feel about them playing at the right tackle. I feel

44:06

like that's a waste. Move down.

44:07

Take Fluongo, who's an elite right tackle,

44:10

and get more assets. He's

44:12

stealing what should be a great career from Joe Alt

44:14

away from us. I knows if he can play right tackle.

44:16

I know, I'm not concerned about him flipping sides because

44:18

he's so talented. I think he'll be able to do it. I

44:20

think that the thing that surprises me a little

44:22

bit is that he's a finesse

44:25

tackle like I love Joel and

44:27

I know when you call offensive lineman finesse, some

44:29

people take that the wrong way. But he's

44:32

a ballerina, like he's a socket.

44:34

He's not a no and so he's

44:36

not truent Brown.

44:37

I thought there was a lot of buzz about

44:39

jac Latham, yeah, and the Chargers because

44:42

that's a Jim Harbor tackle. Well, same with

44:45

But as it turns out, he went seven

44:47

overall to the Titans. So if you didn't take

44:49

him at five, you were getting jac.

44:51

La Well or could they have moved swapped five

44:54

and seven, because I think the Titans won at all. That

44:56

was all the reporting out of Tennessee was Titans went at

44:58

all. I I'm surprised

45:01

the Chargers didn't move down.

45:02

I thought they were gonna move down and take j C. Laith

45:04

them. That seemed to be what the where the winds

45:06

were blowing like they were just Harball

45:09

wants to run the ball. He wants to be a road grader. He wants

45:11

to do those types of things. Yeah, with Rashaan

45:13

Slater and Joe All, you have to elite past

45:15

protecting tackles. That's Rashaan

45:18

Slater is the same way.

45:18

Yeah. No, it's very onn Horball, Like, I'm

45:21

very confused by it.

45:22

Are they gonna throw the ball fifty times?

45:23

They might? They might, or they're just gonna run

45:25

the ball behind those guys because Harball is a lunatic.

45:27

Yeah, well that's that's silly, because

45:30

again they're very talented players.

45:32

Yeah, but that's just not the way you can start play

45:34

to your strengths, right, you want your players playing their strengths. It's

45:36

not what that would be. Could we do a couple more first round thoughts?

45:38

Yeah? Absolutely, on Yeah, sneaky

45:41

fun pick love this one, brock

45:44

Bowers to the Raiders. You have

45:47

brock Bowers, Michael Mayer,

45:50

Devonte Adams, Jacoby Myers. That's

45:52

a huge offense.

45:54

Yeah yeah, and Mayor is definitely more of

45:56

that. Like why prototype No,

45:58

they're gonna run a ton of twelve. They're gonna run it.

46:00

But my point is is, brock Bowers

46:03

is like his own thing, right, brock Bowers really

46:05

isn't He's a pass

46:07

catcher. Yeah, and he can play out

46:09

of the slot. He can play in condensed

46:12

yeah, three by one, so like you

46:14

can line up in the backfield, you can play him at receiver.

46:17

So him and Mayer are actually a great

46:19

compliment.

46:20

That's what I'm saying. But and then just on top

46:22

of that, so if you go out there with whoever

46:25

your running back is, right, call it. Well,

46:27

they're gonna do. Remember that thing we wanted them to do, the eleven

46:29

and a half personnel. That's basically what they're doing, right.

46:32

DeVante Adams. DeVante Adams is what like six

46:35

three two, ten

46:37

to fifteen something like that. Jacoby's

46:40

a big dude, like Jacoby's.

46:41

He's longer than people think.

46:42

A big guy. Obviously. Michael

46:45

Mayer is huge and brock Bowers

46:47

at tank he's six three two forty. Just

46:49

personnel wise, how do you

46:52

defend all of that, especially with

46:54

this new thing with the hip drop tackles, Like

46:57

if you're gonna be big enough

46:59

to contend with that, yeah, you're gonna be very slow

47:01

on defense.

47:02

Yeah, so that.

47:04

Becomes a really interesting offen. They got to figure out

47:06

the quarterback, but that becomes very interesting. They don't have a quarterback,

47:09

but other than that, they're very interesting offense. But

47:11

you know what, if they can, if they can luck into

47:13

a Bonix equivalent next year, or maybe they maybe

47:16

it's Spencer Rattler. Maybe Spencer Ratler'd

47:18

be very interesting there. Maybe they end up in the conversation

47:20

for like Trevor Lawrence if he gets dealt.

47:22

They also really like Aidan O'Connell for what they do.

47:24

Yeah, he's fine. You know what, Maybe he's the net

47:26

neutral guy. Maybe that's what that is.

47:27

B Nicks. Yeah, it's

47:30

a couple of other thoughts

47:32

on my end in.

47:33

The first round, I got one more I gotta

47:35

get to and I'm sure.

47:36

You know, as we segue our way

47:38

into Day two, thoughts, Yeah,

47:40

the tackles when bye bye,

47:42

they went Yeah, they flew off the

47:44

board. I mean Amarus Mims went eighteen right,

47:47

yea twenty

47:50

five, which I think is fascinating because he goes

47:52

to Green Bay at twenty five, which tells

47:54

me that the Patriots probably had a pretty good grade on Jordan

47:56

Morgan. Yeah, you know, just because of the

47:58

connections there. The offense is super

48:01

similar basically, you know, the Packers

48:03

and I think even the Niners at thirty

48:05

one might have been a Jordan Morgan team too if

48:07

he was still on the board. His zone

48:09

blocking skill is so out of this

48:11

world good that even though he's gonna have short

48:14

arms for a tackle, he's so good

48:16

latterally out of his stance that those Shanahan

48:18

teams are just gonna they they love him. They

48:20

love him. H So you look at you know, Morgan

48:23

goes, Geyton obviously goes at the end of the first

48:25

round. Uh. This that drop

48:27

off is legit. I think now to the n even

48:31

I'm a big Kingsley guy. Uh. The thing

48:33

that scares me now about Kingsley

48:36

is that that's two raw developmental

48:38

picks at the top of the draft in Drake

48:40

May and Kingsley, where it's either

48:42

a home run or you are, you're out of the league,

48:45

and there's no with Adie Mitchell.

48:47

Similar You just said you want him to take Kadie Mitchell

48:49

because.

48:50

I think he's a better player, all right, but it's similar,

48:52

and that does scare me a little bit, which

48:55

is why when we start to get into your trading

48:57

for an Iuk or Deebo Samuel, that

49:00

gives this draft hall if you want to concu

49:02

them in the hall a little bit of a more solid

49:05

floor.

49:06

I want to get Syu can Dibo, but I have to do this first.

49:08

Yeah, how dumb

49:10

are the Buffalo bills? What

49:13

are you doing you?

49:14

We talked about this last

49:16

night when I when I called you on our way home our

49:18

annual post first phone. Yeah, and I did

49:20

it before I got home, so that just didn't get

49:22

mad at me for screaming at the apartment at two o'clock

49:25

in the morning. But we

49:29

talked about this.

49:30

The bills have no money, the

49:32

bills, I get. The bills have no money.

49:34

Poor team, I get. The bills have no money.

49:36

They're literally selling twenty five percent.

49:38

That's not a small share to sell, No, it's not most

49:40

owners only only fifty one percent. But of

49:44

all the teams to trade with.

49:47

The Chiefs have been your daddy

49:49

for five years. They continually

49:51

knock you out of the playoffs. They finally

49:54

maybe got a little bit of a weakness,

49:57

and you hand them a guy who has been

49:59

compared to the best weapon they've

50:01

had in the Patrick Mahomes era. What

50:05

are you doing? Trade with anybody

50:07

else? Let anybody else get Xavier

50:10

Worthy. You an AFC contender

50:12

that needs a wide receiver, gifted

50:15

your draft pick to the top AFC

50:17

contender that also needs a wide receiver.

50:19

And by the way, you mentioned poor team, right, they need affordable

50:21

players. They didn't net any picks.

50:24

They traded three picks for three picks, and

50:26

then again they trade down again.

50:29

They gave up on our receiver. Again, they

50:32

net no picks unless

50:34

they're gonna trade for Ayuk or Samuel

50:36

We're gonna.

50:37

Look dumb, apps, We're gonna look dumb in two

50:39

hours when they trade. But

50:42

I will say, but can they trade for it's

50:45

cheaper to draft the second round pick, So yes,

50:47

they're putting on but they're saving they have

50:49

no money. But you couldn let does nobody get

50:51

this?

50:52

Why not move out right down from

50:55

twenty eight to thirty three, get

50:58

more picks which you need and not

51:00

help the Kansas City Chiefs. That was always

51:03

an option. I understand why they traded

51:05

down. And on the Ayuk thing, can they afford

51:07

to trade for him? Can they afford to pay

51:09

them?

51:10

Think they can?

51:11

I understand they need to trade down because they couldn't afford

51:13

a first round pick. But within

51:16

that, why in

51:18

the let's not forget when when

51:21

Patrick Mahomes and rants almost over, when

51:23

Patrick Mahomes and Xavier Worthy

51:25

are destroying the NFL for

51:27

the next five years, I

51:30

want us to all remember who set that

51:32

up? And not only did

51:34

the Chiefs trade, did the Bills trade the Chiefs

51:37

the pick for Xavier Worthy? Do you remember

51:39

who traded the Chiefs the pick that they used to draft

51:42

Patrick Mahomes? The Buffalo

51:44

Bills. So congratulations,

51:46

Brandon Bean has done a fantastic

51:49

job building a championship roster.

51:51

He just built in Kansas City instead of in

51:54

Buffalo. I don't know if Brandon

51:56

Bean was GM in twenty seventeen, but you get the point that.

51:58

Was that was a pretty good way to and then I'll give you

52:00

that thank you.

52:01

Was he unless he wasn't the GM, then.

52:03

I mean who cares to go

52:06

check. No, No, it might have it might have been

52:08

wayy.

52:09

No, it was his first year twenty seventeen, So congratulate.

52:13

Nobody is more responsible for the success

52:15

of the Kansas City Chiefs than Brandon

52:17

Bean. I want I want that out there.

52:19

I want that known.

52:20

I would say this, and I look,

52:23

everybody calls me a closet Bills fan because I.

52:25

Like Josh Allen and I'm not anymore.

52:27

You got your own Josh, exactly right.

52:29

I'm so excited. I'm not gonna tell I'm

52:31

gonna tell anybody. Uh, you know, I'm not gonna

52:34

I'm not gonna disagree with you. Yeah, since

52:38

they went on that heater in

52:40

Buffalo where it was Josh Allen,

52:42

it was Stefon Diggs. Uh, you know

52:44

all some of the supporting cast members

52:47

that they were able to draft and able to

52:49

trade for, they were on a heater for like

52:52

let's say, around COVID. You know twenty twenty

52:54

twenty twenty one, Brandon

52:56

Bean and Sean McDermott now

52:59

are ice cold. They are

53:01

ice cold, and that that

53:04

team, I think what happens a lot of the time

53:07

for starters, a lot of their roster aged

53:09

out their rosters starting to age,

53:12

sorry to get older. Secondly,

53:15

they now all of a sudden have a little bit of margin for error

53:17

because Josh Allen's Josh Allen. And

53:20

now they now they probably

53:22

feel like we have the MVB quarterback.

53:24

It's his job to make this work

53:27

offensively. But they're on a cold

53:29

They're on a cold streak, no doubt about it. Like I

53:31

didn't even really understand dal

53:34

kinkaid last year. I

53:36

wasn't the biggest kink guy. He was better than I expected.

53:39

I was a Sam Laporter guy. But I

53:42

I didn't really understand that pick either, Like, just

53:44

draft a receiver if you want a receiver instead,

53:46

he drafted the tight end. Yeah, it

53:49

just makes no sense. Tight Ends in the first round

53:52

are very hit or miss. It's

53:54

one of the harder positions to draft in the first round.

53:57

They drafted a basically

54:00

receiver because Dalk doesn't block. Yeah,

54:02

and they drafted this guy. I hated

54:04

that pick.

54:05

A bunch of slot receivers on the board, Josh downs on the

54:07

board.

54:07

Yeah, and they they draft these guys and it

54:09

doesn't work out. And yeah, it's it's been tough setting

54:12

in Buffalo a little bit.

54:12

It's not gonna gety better.

54:13

Their their roster decisions have not.

54:15

I cannot wait until Tony

54:17

not Tony cheese. I cannot wait till Worthy goes.

54:20

What's it going to be like?

54:20

Six catches buck twenty five

54:23

two scores against the Chiefs and the against the Bills

54:25

in the divisional round. Oh, it's gonna beautiful. It's

54:27

gonna be beautiful.

54:28

All right, let's go to the phones and you can jump in now.

54:30

Eight five to five, Pats five hundred is the phone

54:32

number. Patty is an agu on. What's up Patty?

54:36

Don't nice to talk to you guys again.

54:38

It's great, isn't it. I'm so glad that the phones are

54:40

back. What's up, Patty?

54:43

So?

54:43

What's going on?

54:44

Guys?

54:44

So I wonder I had to take on Ayuk

54:47

and I had a question for you guys too.

54:49

Yeah, me, personally, I.

54:51

Wouldn't mind Ayuk come in here. But I

54:54

might be in the vast minority and saying

54:57

this, but I would like to see them draft a receiver

54:59

that they could pass develop a rapport

55:01

with with Drake May and

55:03

hopefully like right around the same time that

55:06

they're both looking for extensions. They're both

55:08

good enough or possibly even great enough

55:10

to like get those second contracts. And

55:13

I don't think they're gonna be that good next year, just

55:15

regardless of how good both

55:18

guys are, or just how regardless of how

55:20

good May is, just because look at the schedule

55:22

that they're playing. So we might end up picking in

55:24

the top ten. We could have a Cincinnati

55:27

situation where we get our Joe Burrow

55:29

Rtie Higgins and we get our Jamar Chase next

55:31

year. But that's my take

55:34

on that. And word stands

55:36

now because I think the rookie of the year is coming

55:38

out of the first round good. What

55:40

do you guys think is going to win the Rookie of the year, Just

55:43

you know, throw it out there.

55:45

I'm gonna throw out.

55:46

Their JJ McCarthy, Yeah, what possible.

55:48

You guys have discussed his situation and

55:51

I'll take that off there. And it's great to talk to you guys.

55:54

Get good talk to you, Patty. I hope everything

55:56

as well. Yeah, I agree with him that JJ

55:58

McCarthy's probably the betting face.

56:00

It's gonna be him, or it's gonna be him or Harrison.

56:02

Yeah, because Harrison's gonna get and Kyler

56:05

can. Kyler is awesome, and they throw the ball

56:07

to like Harrison could catch one hundred and fifteen passes

56:09

and he could just have some I don't know how

56:11

much it'll relate to winning, but he could have some video

56:13

game numbers out there, ye kind of like, yeah,

56:16

so I you could see that, and I think they'll

56:18

be the narrative with is JJ McCarthy

56:21

good or is it all justin Jefferson Jordan Aison

56:23

things like that.

56:24

Yeah, so I I really I

56:27

love the idea of trading for Brandon Nyuk

56:29

because I love the player. I mean that's the most important

56:32

thing. I think that when you talk to the Patriots

56:34

and Elliot, well, if you take him at face value. He

56:36

mentioned last week when we talked to him in his pre draft

56:39

press conference that they don't

56:41

have that three by one x receiver that

56:43

can be man coverage on the backside consistently.

56:46

That's Brandon Nyuk. I mean he's one of the best man

56:48

coverage beaters in the entire league. So

56:51

not only does it make sense

56:53

age twenty six years old, still

56:56

gonna you know, you're gonna get him probably on a four year deal,

56:58

five year deal. You're gonna ge him first prime.

57:00

I notice all these guys are signing three year deals.

57:02

Now, yeah, they want to hit Cree agency twice.

57:04

They yeah, they know they're gonna get that money

57:06

twice.

57:07

What's that thing? I wonder if to get the AAV

57:10

down, if the Patriots came like a five year.

57:12

Yeah, I think they would like to do that because

57:14

Drake May signed him through the life of Drake.

57:16

Mays Ricky contract exactly.

57:18

Well, I Yuke want to do that as a different story,

57:21

but you look at what they

57:23

need. I think, although I don't want to get too

57:25

caught up in you know

57:28

X Z, you know whatever, because I think

57:30

you should you should get the best player.

57:32

There is some truth to that. But at the same

57:35

time, you have two receivers that

57:37

are actually worth a dam right now in Kendrick Bourne

57:39

and Pop Douglas. And if you have all this overlap,

57:42

then you're gonna have a logjam of Z slot

57:44

receivers and it's like, where do you play everybody you

57:46

know? And how does this put together? Whereas

57:48

Ayuk is a stud and he

57:51

fits the position that you don't currently

57:53

have on the roster, So it just makes all

57:55

the sense in the world. Now. With that being said, the rumors

57:57

from j just seein Anderson now are

57:59

that it's actually Deebo.

58:00

Samuel already had this too. He just put something out.

58:03

So I think that that's what I

58:05

would do if I was a San Francisco forty nine

58:07

ers is I would sign Brandon Nyuk

58:09

to a massive contract extension and

58:12

I would trade Deebo Samuel.

58:13

So maybe this is a hot take. I'm

58:16

good. I'm good on Deebo Samuel.

58:18

No, thank you. He's older, and I

58:21

love you know, I love Deebo sam I loved

58:24

and let me put that in the past tense.

58:25

That's a good way.

58:26

I loved Deebo Samuel. I think there was a time he's a great

58:28

player. But remember that whole thing about he wanted a certain

58:30

contract because he didn't like the way he was being used, because

58:32

he was going to shorten his career.

58:33

It shortened.

58:34

He was right, No, he was one hundred percent right. He's

58:37

twenty eight years old, he's dealt with injuries the last

58:40

couple of years. He's also, I mean, he's not that

58:42

X. He's not a true man beater. He's a you

58:44

have to use him a very certain way. He

58:46

would fit like a glove in this offense. Because

58:49

it's very similar to what they do in San Francisco.

58:51

So it's not that they wouldn't know how to use him or he wouldn't

58:53

have a role. It's it's what you just

58:55

said. It's age, it's injury

58:57

history. He's twenty eight years old. He's his

59:00

deal's crazy expensive too.

59:01

He's twenty eight years old, which for a wide

59:04

receiver wouldn't be that old.

59:06

No, it's pretty most wide receivers hit

59:08

age thirty in the fall, not anymore as

59:11

much though, like nowadays. Keep

59:13

talking, So he's twenty eight years

59:15

old. Yeah, I still think he's got you know,

59:17

football left in him. But you almost

59:19

have to treat Deebo Samuel as a running back

59:22

because so many of his touches and

59:24

so many of his yards are coming after

59:27

the catch, whether he's in the backfield

59:29

or not. You're still throwing him, you know, perimeter

59:32

screens, you're still throwing you know, giving him

59:34

scheme touches, You're still throwing him quick

59:36

hitters over the middle of the field and letting him run

59:38

with it. So the wear and tear on his body

59:41

has been really similar to a running back. And

59:43

we know how running backs once they hit

59:45

twenty eight, twenty nine to thirty. We know how that goes.

59:48

So in a lot of ways, that's how I

59:50

think Deebo Samuel should be viewed now. So

59:52

he would I take to do you.

59:53

Know how many wide receivers age thirty or older

59:56

caught fifty more passes last year? No,

59:58

you want to guess?

1:00:00

Six?

1:00:01

Yeah? He actually it's nine.

1:00:02

Nailed it, But I mean I did not

1:00:04

nail that feeling.

1:00:06

DeVante Adams, Keenan Allen, DeAndre Hopkins,

1:00:08

Tyler Lockett, Brandon Cook's shoutout, Brandon

1:00:10

Cooks, Stefon Diggs, Mike Evans, Cooper

1:00:12

Cup. So like, there's not a ton

1:00:15

of thirty year old I just forget even worse. And

1:00:17

he's right and he's going to be accelerated in that

1:00:19

regard.

1:00:20

So yeah, now that being said,

1:00:23

I'm not trading a Day two pick for Debo.

1:00:26

No.

1:00:26

If they can get him for like one oh three, I mean,

1:00:28

go for it. Yeah, that's that's what I was

1:00:30

gonna say.

1:00:30

If they can get him for a fourth

1:00:33

in mac Jones's sixth round pick, then

1:00:35

I'm all for sure. But I'm not giving up thirty

1:00:37

four or sixty eight.

1:00:38

For would you trade thirty four for a Yuk. Oh

1:00:41

yeah, yeah, So I'm I'm

1:00:43

in I'm in on on Ayuk

1:00:46

and you know I'm not a huge auk guy. I've kind of come

1:00:48

around on him a little bit more, even before these

1:00:50

rumors came out.

1:00:51

I bursty technician. There's

1:00:53

just at the top of it, there's.

1:00:54

Just a part of me, tell me if this is unfair to worry

1:00:56

about He's been in an

1:00:58

offense where the defense has to worry

1:01:00

about Debo, has to worry about Kittle, has to worry

1:01:03

about McCaffrey. He's never been

1:01:06

a defensive focal point. He's never been Maybe

1:01:08

he is the caliber of being a Tuesday

1:01:10

morning player, but he's never been a Tuesday

1:01:13

morning player because he's played with all his talent.

1:01:15

And I do think there is a projection you

1:01:18

have to make there that when he doesn't have all

1:01:20

these other guys a mass and coverage on them

1:01:22

and a defense ken keyan on him, what's

1:01:25

that gonna look like? Because that's obviously gonna be the

1:01:27

case here. And that's the one thing I worry

1:01:29

about.

1:01:29

Now.

1:01:30

No receiver that's available is perfect. You're gonna

1:01:32

have to worry about something. And I've kind of come around on, especially

1:01:35

now that aj Brown signed his extension. This

1:01:37

is the guy. This is the guy. If you want to get the guy this

1:01:39

year, this is the guy.

1:01:41

But I don't know.

1:01:42

I do worry a little bit about he's

1:01:44

gonna get so much more attention from defenses,

1:01:46

So.

1:01:47

I agree, Yeah, there's some worry there,

1:01:49

or at least his numbers might take a

1:01:51

hit because of that. Yeah, But isn't that kind

1:01:54

of the point of having no one guy that's gonna

1:01:56

tilt the coverage, but he's because now all of a sudden pop

1:01:58

Douglas and Kendrick Bourn and Hunter Henry. Yeah,

1:02:00

maybe you'd still draft a receiver. You know, at

1:02:03

some point in this draft. Isn't

1:02:05

the point that you need that coverage dictating

1:02:08

a.

1:02:08

Receiver too, But you you still

1:02:10

want a guy that even when the coverage is on him,

1:02:13

he didn't even make a play, he'll make a play.

1:02:14

So I think that in one of the

1:02:16

things I think is a little bit of a misconception. I'm

1:02:18

saying, you're doing this, but you don't like double

1:02:21

receivers on every single point. So when

1:02:23

he's gonna get his his, he's gonna get his.

1:02:25

So he's gonna get his point is there's guys when

1:02:27

like, you know, you got Sauce

1:02:30

Gardner in your division, You got you know, some

1:02:32

really good corners in the AFC, and the idea

1:02:34

is the defense when they put Sauce Gardner on a

1:02:37

receiver, the idea is this receiver is not

1:02:39

catching any passes today. Remember Patriots used

1:02:41

to do that all the time. You know, it was only the elite

1:02:43

of the elite of the elite. Yeah, could still make

1:02:45

maybe it wasn't as big of an impact, but could still make an impact

1:02:47

in those situations. Is is Brandan

1:02:49

Ayuk the guy that when it's sauce,

1:02:52

when it's I don't know why I'm blanking on the top

1:02:54

corners in the league right now? This is embarrassing.

1:02:56

Well, I mean now in the AFC it's

1:02:59

a little bit different because there's been a movement, but like

1:03:01

you know, la Jarious Need is in Tennessee now, so

1:03:03

right when you get to just play the Titans next, Yeah,

1:03:05

there's not a ton of good corners in the you know, Trent McDuffie

1:03:08

is not that type of No, he's not. Buffalo doesn't

1:03:10

have those corners anymore. So all right,

1:03:12

so maybe maybe I'm worrying too much. But like when you go up against

1:03:14

it as well, Miami has Ramsey.

1:03:16

When you go up against Ramsey, when you go up against l Jerious

1:03:18

Steed, when you go up against uh Sauce

1:03:20

Gardner. The ideas those players are

1:03:22

going to erase your top receiver. Is

1:03:25

Ayuk the kind of guy that even when he gets that treatment.

1:03:27

I'm not saying I need him to go for you know, five catches,

1:03:29

one hundred yards and a touchdown, but he's not going

1:03:31

to totally disappear. He's going to go toe to toe

1:03:34

with the top corners in the league.

1:03:35

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I just wonder if it matters,

1:03:37

Like if he's that coverage

1:03:40

receiver and he establishes the proper hierarchy

1:03:43

in the offense and all that stuff, then

1:03:45

at the end, like if Sauce Gardner has to take Brandon

1:03:48

Ayuk because otherwise Brandon Nyuk's

1:03:50

going to go off, Yeah, then it's still

1:03:52

worth it because now the coverage isn't on

1:03:54

these other it matters. So I think it matters

1:03:57

to an extent, like to get the it's

1:03:59

the whole trickle down effect. Well, I think

1:04:01

to get to the baseline they want to get to in year

1:04:03

one, year two of Drake May, which is just be competitive.

1:04:05

Again. I think it's fine, But if you're going

1:04:07

into playoff games, yeah

1:04:11

right, if you're going to try to contend and get back,

1:04:14

then I think it starts to matter because eventually you

1:04:16

are going to have to beat teams that have that kind of corner.

1:04:18

Okay, so and have other good but

1:04:21

let me let's also keep

1:04:23

going here for a second in that if

1:04:26

you trade for Brandon and Ik this offseason

1:04:28

and then you go out, you draft a guy next year next okay,

1:04:30

well all right, all right, I mean that's basically what Cincinnati

1:04:33

did, right.

1:04:33

Yeah, no, you've you've sold me. So he's your T Higgins,

1:04:36

not your Jamar Chase.

1:04:37

Or maybe he is your Jamar Chase, but you

1:04:39

still.

1:04:40

I'm saying, at the very least, he's your tea,

1:04:42

all right.

1:04:43

And I think this an is true for T Higgins, like if

1:04:45

it if if T Higgins ends up.

1:04:47

So we talked Cameron

1:04:49

Wolf last night on Sports Up, and he

1:04:51

said, when it comes to Higgins, the Bengals just aren't

1:04:53

picking up the phone. They're just telling teams no, as

1:04:57

they should. By the way, as they should. Good for them, shout

1:04:59

out. But I

1:05:02

will all right, I I I

1:05:04

was gonna do. I was in Tai Yuk. I was

1:05:06

more reluctant about it. You've you've convinced me, like, let's

1:05:08

go because it's just a good Yeah,

1:05:11

yeah, Brandon,

1:05:13

and I'm in. I'm still out

1:05:15

on Deebo. I'm still out on Debo, even.

1:05:17

For like a fourth and the sixth, even

1:05:22

for a four. You wouldn't trade a fourth round

1:05:24

pick for him.

1:05:26

No one cares if he's gonna restructure his contract. I

1:05:29

don't want to be committed to because if.

1:05:30

He's here, how many more years does he have on his contract?

1:05:33

I think it's a lot. Let me look. Let me look at his contract,

1:05:35

because here's my thing with Deebo. If he's here, yeah

1:05:37

you have to play him. And if he's not

1:05:40

good but he's still on the I worry

1:05:42

about him basically. Maybe it's not maybe not aspect.

1:05:45

You worry about him being jujus missies. That's exactly

1:05:47

what I was gonna say. I hear you.

1:05:49

He's got oh all

1:05:51

right, so he's under there's an out after twenty

1:05:54

four and then he's under contract

1:05:56

for twenty twenty five, and then there's two void years.

1:05:58

Yeah, the void years, well matter for the Patriots.

1:06:01

Now that's a San Francisco problem.

1:06:03

Yeah, I trade. Can you let

1:06:06

me ask you this? Yeah, Juju

1:06:09

and a sixth. They just got Debo.

1:06:11

What do they need because

1:06:14

I I.

1:06:14

Don't need Juju and Deebo. I don't need both those guys.

1:06:17

The Patriots don't need Juju. You could have just I mean

1:06:19

at all.

1:06:19

But so that's that's maybe

1:06:22

maybe all right, a fourth you say, all right,

1:06:24

you know, a fourth and Juju

1:06:27

for Debo.

1:06:28

I think that they almost say no more. Note of that

1:06:30

because they don't why why would they take on

1:06:32

Juju's.

1:06:33

Contract because they want

1:06:35

to get rid of Debo's contract. It's but

1:06:37

still now you're no, you're you're

1:06:40

you're paying about it's half as I'm looking at it, half

1:06:42

but less than half.

1:06:43

You're still paying for somebody.

1:06:45

So, uh, well, that's how you unload them, Robin the

1:06:47

cat skills. So I guess here's sow. Let's

1:06:49

let's talk about compensation. Let's say the Patriots

1:06:51

are are are getting rid of are offering one

1:06:53

oh three and Juju? Would they rather one oh

1:06:56

three and juju? Or like one thirty

1:06:58

and nothing.

1:07:00

If I was the Niners, yeah, I would

1:07:02

rather the picks than juju.

1:07:04

Right, But if it's the one hundred and third pick and juju

1:07:06

or one hundred and thirtieth pick and nothing.

1:07:10

I'm saying no to both those.

1:07:12

That's one of those are two offers.

1:07:14

Then I'm just keeping deba all right?

1:07:15

Fair enough?

1:07:17

So, Robin the Catskills asks,

1:07:19

would you trade next

1:07:21

year's first round pick for Brandon Atyuk? Me?

1:07:24

Neither, because as much as I'm

1:07:26

excited today and as much as I'm jazzed up

1:07:28

to have my Josh Allen in the building, the

1:07:30

Patriots might still stink next year. Yep. And

1:07:33

the Patriots having a top five, top

1:07:35

ten, I think they'll probably be in that like Atlanta

1:07:37

range of like the eighth pick or something

1:07:40

like that.

1:07:40

Take Michael Pennox next year.

1:07:41

Let's go way too valuable too. I

1:07:44

agree, he's not he's a great

1:07:46

player. He is, he ain't that

1:07:48

great. I'm not giving up a first next year.

1:07:50

Would Could I be convinced of giving up

1:07:53

thirty four and a

1:07:55

Day two pick from next year's draft? I

1:07:58

could be talked into that. I could be talked

1:08:00

into that. I think that if you're the

1:08:02

Niners, you really want to come around, come away

1:08:05

with a first round pick for Brandon Ayuk, so

1:08:07

you get two high seconds as kind

1:08:09

of the equivalent of getting a first forum. If

1:08:13

I was the Patriots, I'd probably do a second from next

1:08:15

year or third from next year in thirty four.

1:08:18

But I'm not. I'm not trading what

1:08:20

could probably be a top ten pick in next year's draft

1:08:22

for Brandon Knight Yuk. I'm not doing that.

1:08:26

Take a couple more calls and then we'll just rattle off

1:08:28

these emails. Got a bunch of emails with you

1:08:30

know, would you rather you know Kingsley or this

1:08:32

guy, that guy whatever?

1:08:34

Uh? Jordan is in Ohio. What's up, Jordan?

1:08:38

Uh? Do you guys?

1:08:39

Two questions?

1:08:40

Do you guys think?

1:08:41

Where do you guys rank the Bears even core At?

1:08:44

It's up there?

1:08:45

Good, It's really good.

1:08:46

Good.

1:08:46

Yeah, it's a good question. What's the other question? Jordan will

1:08:48

answer that one and the same.

1:08:49

Secondly, do you think the Patriots

1:08:51

consider either Cooper de Jean or pool

1:08:54

a Michi history at thirty four?

1:08:55

Yeah? Good? Good questions. Question we're talking about

1:08:58

the Yeah, so we were talking about this in are

1:09:00

and are. Can we call it a a pre show

1:09:02

meeting even though it was, it's not

1:09:05

talking constantly. Yeah, so so

1:09:09

Bears receiving core for people that just

1:09:11

to recap it is now Dj

1:09:14

Moore, Keenan Allen, real Madoonza. That's

1:09:17

pretty good. That's that's what you want

1:09:19

to do for your young quarterback. The Patriots aren't there

1:09:22

yet. They didn't have the two the double ones

1:09:24

that the Chicago had in the top ten is crazy,

1:09:26

like they didn't have all that. But if that's

1:09:28

how you want to set up Caleb Williams, Caleb

1:09:31

Williams is not going to justin fields as Chicago

1:09:33

Bears, right, Like that's that's a team that's got

1:09:35

weapons. Now. Uh, they they've really built

1:09:37

up that receiving corps. I I love

1:09:40

what they've done in Chicago. Obviously they

1:09:42

made the easy pick of taking Caleb, so I'm not going to

1:09:44

give them their flowers for taking the quarterback everybody

1:09:46

else in the world would have taken. But the Roma

1:09:49

Dunze pick is a good one stack That receiver

1:09:51

talent Keenan Allen's still good. But you don't know

1:09:53

how much how much longer? So Dj

1:09:56

Moore and Roma Dunsay are going to be the horses

1:09:58

there for a while. And we also have col

1:10:00

Comet at tight end too, the solid

1:10:02

player. They have some really solid players on offense

1:10:05

around Caleb Williams. To the second question,

1:10:08

I think we should talk a little bit about Cooper digit I think

1:10:10

we should.

1:10:11

Well, so let's let's just start with this, because he asked

1:10:13

about Cooper de Geni and Kolidan Kintry very

1:10:15

similar players. I

1:10:18

think Cooper de gene is a slightly better player,

1:10:22

but they're both hybrid defensive backs.

1:10:24

They can play multiple positions, smart, physical

1:10:27

players. What we're about to say

1:10:29

I think could really apply to whichever one of the Patriots

1:10:31

like better. I just think it'll be to Gene.

1:10:33

Yeah, I think it'll be to Gene as well. I think

1:10:35

that Degene's start

1:10:38

here. He's a first round pick. Yeah,

1:10:40

he's a first round talent. He fell because

1:10:42

cornerbacks as a whole fell in this draft.

1:10:45

Quinn and Mitchell and can go till twenty two. I think to the

1:10:47

Eagles was the first corner off the board.

1:10:49

He also fell because of his injury,

1:10:51

I think, so, yeah, that's part of it. I'm

1:10:53

trying to remember what exactly the foot

1:10:56

I'm looking it up right now. Where is

1:10:58

my Where is he? There areas so

1:11:01

Cooper de Gene didn't shouldn't

1:11:03

participate at the combine due to a fractured

1:11:06

fibula that he suffered.

1:11:09

Yeah, broken leg that he suffered

1:11:11

in practice last November.

1:11:13

Now, he had a showcase,

1:11:16

pro day whatever you want to call it, for

1:11:19

NFL scouts, his own private

1:11:21

workout for NFL scouts at once

1:11:23

he was healthy, but he didn't

1:11:26

participate in much of the pre draft process,

1:11:28

you know, no combine, none of that kind

1:11:30

of stuff. So I think

1:11:32

a lot of that is a factor, as well as is the

1:11:35

injury. Is he

1:11:37

a corner? Is he a safety? What

1:11:39

do you need to do? I agree that

1:11:42

I see the value in the versatility, but

1:11:45

some teams get afraid of those tweeters, like they

1:11:47

don't know exactly where to play those guys. He's

1:11:50

got the long speed, I think to play outside

1:11:52

corner, but he's a little stiff in coverage

1:11:54

in manutter.

1:11:55

So you're gonna pu him on. You're only gonna put him out there on certain

1:11:57

matchups.

1:11:57

Yeah, I think for the Patriots, as

1:12:00

much as we all want offense,

1:12:02

and we're all hammering offense, Uh.

1:12:04

The bottom line is is that having a

1:12:06

secondary to build with the next five

1:12:09

years of Christian Gonzalez, Kyle Duggar

1:12:11

and Cooper de Gene is really pretty

1:12:13

freaking good. And Cooper Degene is really

1:12:16

a versatile guy that can

1:12:18

play off of Christian Gonzales. Kazal is gonna

1:12:20

take the best receiver on the other team. So now Cooper

1:12:23

Degene. This week we're playing, you know,

1:12:25

a team that's got two really good receivers, so we're

1:12:27

gonna have Degene on a receiver. But maybe next

1:12:29

week it's only one really good receiver on the

1:12:31

roster, so we're gonna have him play more of like

1:12:33

a rover roll or a safety role.

1:12:35

Or he and the other thing is he can play that free safety role and

1:12:37

keep Kyle duggarant can play free.

1:12:38

Safety, he can play nickel, he can play outside,

1:12:41

and every single week

1:12:43

you can just make he can put out fires wherever,

1:12:46

wherever he needs to start or wherever the

1:12:48

fire starts. You can move Cooper Degene

1:12:51

around, because you know you have Christian Gonzalz holding down

1:12:53

his side of the field, you can move Cooper

1:12:55

Degene around and he can play any like

1:12:58

that. Whyjene degene the

1:13:00

gene gene.

1:13:02

You put a Z in there, gene.

1:13:04

Anyway, am

1:13:07

I saying it wrong?

1:13:08

Is that you're saying it with like a Z.

1:13:10

The gene gene

1:13:13

with the J. Why I'm saying

1:13:15

what what?

1:13:15

What?

1:13:18

Quick?

1:13:18

Okay? I'm trying to find the get it phonetic.

1:13:24

The gene.

1:13:25

That's how you say, That's how I say to gene.

1:13:27

I think it's more of like a like

1:13:29

a gene like more

1:13:32

like a Z J combination.

1:13:35

I'll find it. Keep talking.

1:13:37

So you have a lot of a

1:13:39

lot of flexibility, is what I'm getting

1:13:41

at with the with those two guys playing off each

1:13:43

other, I I don't think

1:13:45

it's out of the realm. Last night

1:13:48

there was a little bit of a kerfuffle with

1:13:51

some of the reports on the Niners

1:13:53

pick, and we

1:13:55

had heard that Gerrod Mayo and Elliott Wolf had

1:13:57

been up front, you know. Mike Reese reported

1:14:00

in the morning that the Patriots

1:14:02

had had conversations about moving

1:14:04

into the back end of the first round from thirty four.

1:14:07

Then Girodmeo told the draft party not to

1:14:09

not to leave. He told him to stick around because

1:14:12

we might be getting back in now.

1:14:15

Two receivers went and I do think

1:14:17

the Patriots could have been interested in Xavier.

1:14:19

Log At By the way, d Gene d d

1:14:22

Gen is way off. Well that's how

1:14:24

they haven't pronounced capital d ee and

1:14:26

then Gene, so d Gene d Gene

1:14:29

Cooper d Gen.

1:14:30

Al Right, well let's get it right.

1:14:31

If they draft them, yeah, Cooper d Gene, Cooper

1:14:33

g Gene, we're both ro.

1:14:35

I think they like Xavier Leget. I

1:14:37

think that that was probably the guy they were targeting.

1:14:40

But some people, you

1:14:42

know, all the all the tip yeah pick tippers

1:14:45

tweeted out last night the Niners are drafting

1:14:48

Cooper d Gen. And

1:14:51

part of me kind of thinks that maybe the Patriots

1:14:53

were supposed to draft Cooper de Gene with that pick and

1:14:55

it fell through.

1:14:56

Maybe. I mean, that's just

1:14:58

a theory. It's it's not the w this theory. It's

1:15:00

not the way it's it's definitely not the wild this theory.

1:15:02

I mean, if Bill

1:15:05

was still here, they would take Cooper to Gene like fifteen. Apparently

1:15:07

he was traded down.

1:15:09

On the macase

1:15:11

he was not only not only

1:15:13

was he gushing about Cooper the Gene. I'm

1:15:16

not gonna have to learn the way

1:15:18

I was saying for not only was he

1:15:20

gushing about him, but Bill

1:15:22

did a board of draft needs

1:15:25

for the Patriots. For the Patriots the

1:15:28

needs that he created, by the way, but

1:15:30

the need the needs were a quarterback.

1:15:32

Yep, tackle, offensive tackle, corner,

1:15:36

corner. He loves Cooper.

1:15:38

No Gene because faking, because he knew

1:15:40

what he was doing. It was a good media job. No, this is why he

1:15:42

loves him. So

1:15:45

this is I keep going back to this quote. So at

1:15:47

when when did d Gene

1:15:50

declared for the draft? They held a breast

1:15:53

conference and this is what his defensive coordinator said about

1:15:55

do you even know who Niles Kinnick is?

1:15:57

Clue?

1:15:57

So, Niles Kinnick won the Heisman

1:16:00

Trophy in nineteen thirty nine.

1:16:02

Niles Kinnick won the Heisman, the Maxwell,

1:16:05

and the Walter Camp as a do it

1:16:07

all half back for the Iowah haw gyes nice.

1:16:09

You see him going for that. They're stadium

1:16:12

is named after him. So this is what the defensive

1:16:14

coordinator said. I didn't see Niles Kinnick play,

1:16:17

but he's the modern day Niles Kinnick. You

1:16:20

know, Bill, you know would give you like forty

1:16:23

five minutes on Niles Kinnick oh, Nile's Kinnick

1:16:25

was in the navy too.

1:16:26

Oh oh god, Oh no,

1:16:29

Bill pants are off. He's going,

1:16:31

He's going forty five large on Niles

1:16:34

Kinnic. He's gonna. He's gonna tell you everything.

1:16:36

He plays a pro that this guy did. Yeah,

1:16:38

I I think it.

1:16:41

Oh he uh he

1:16:43

was killed in action, oh in nineteen forty

1:16:45

three, making fun of it. No,

1:16:48

it wasn't making fun of him. I was making fun of just the time

1:16:50

period.

1:16:51

But so the thing is is that he

1:16:53

says corner is Yeah, It's

1:16:56

just it's just priceless. Even

1:16:59

even now, even after

1:17:02

the offensive inepitude over the last

1:17:04

two years got him fired, he still

1:17:06

will not admit that wide receiver matters.

1:17:09

He still I don't

1:17:11

understands.

1:17:12

You know he did that as a bit, right he's in the media

1:17:14

now, Yes, no, yes, it was a bit. It was

1:17:16

a bit. God, he did

1:17:19

it sucks dis exact reaction.

1:17:21

So not only did he not admit

1:17:23

that wide receivers matter after getting

1:17:26

fired basically for having no wide receivers,

1:17:28

he also he also kind

1:17:32

of killed Drake may Now he killed them all and

1:17:34

that was that was part of the bit, was that we

1:17:36

wanted unfiltered Bill Belichick

1:17:39

when we're in you're in the meeting rooms, and

1:17:41

a couple of the players, I think James White was one of them,

1:17:43

said, oh, this is just like a team meeting with Bill.

1:17:45

You know, well, here's your one good play and here's

1:17:48

your seventeen bad ones, right, Like, that's just a

1:17:50

team meeting with Bill. But he was pretty harsh

1:17:52

about Drake may He he was pretty

1:17:54

positive about JJ McCarthy and bo Nicks,

1:17:57

and he was over the top about

1:17:59

Cooper d g Which just tells

1:18:01

you that if Bill Belichick was running this draft

1:18:04

last night, the Patriots are trading down with the

1:18:06

Minnesota Vikings. They're taking BONICKX

1:18:08

or JJ McCarthy at eleven, and they're taking

1:18:10

Cooper de jene at twenty three, and I there's

1:18:13

no doubt about it. Yeah, there's no doubt about

1:18:15

it.

1:18:15

Uh, it might have been Cooper Degenie

1:18:17

at eleven and Bonex at twenty three. He

1:18:21

like I heard, he liked JJ McCarthy, which

1:18:25

makes sense. Yeah, so maybe it would have been JJ at

1:18:27

eleven and the

1:18:29

Jane at twenty three.

1:18:30

Okay, So Emery emails in and said that

1:18:32

the board that I'm referring to apparently

1:18:36

Pat McAfee's the show said it was field

1:18:38

Yates's list of needs, not oh.

1:18:40

So okay, I thought which I thought

1:18:43

the rankings were field yates

1:18:45

is, but the needs were Belichick's. Okay, so it's all field

1:18:47

Yates.

1:18:47

He said his all field Yates, and that Bill said

1:18:49

wide receiver was in need for the Patriots. But

1:18:52

I still think Bill's taking a defensive

1:18:54

player in that first round. If he's

1:18:57

trading down with Minnesota, he's taking those

1:18:59

double ones and he's hitting quarterback

1:19:01

and he's hitting defense, and he's not taking the

1:19:03

toolsy quarterback with the footwork

1:19:06

issues. He's taking bo Nix.

1:19:08

He's taking JJ McCarthy, maybe

1:19:10

Pennix. He might have been a penis guy.

1:19:13

Maybe he would have liked the experience.

1:19:16

He said. That was the first word out of his mouth about

1:19:18

Drake May was the lack of experience,

1:19:21

which was interesting because he drafted Mac

1:19:23

Jones.

1:19:24

Mac.

1:19:26

We're in the COVID year too, All

1:19:28

right, Mike is in South South Dakota.

1:19:30

What's up, Mike good

1:19:37

Good?

1:19:38

I was just looking, what do you guys think of Malay?

1:19:43

Interesting player the Patriots on trade

1:19:45

for Deebo? So?

1:19:46

Uh?

1:19:47

Is that all you got, Mike. Thanks

1:19:50

for the call, Mike, I appreciate it. It's a good question.

1:19:52

So I think the Patriots like Xavier

1:19:55

Laguett. That's just a hunch, but I think they like Xavier

1:19:57

Lagett, who's also Deebo Samuel

1:20:00

reincarnated is

1:20:04

day two look at or Debo

1:20:06

or whatever you want to call it.

1:20:08

Uh.

1:20:08

The thing that scared me a little bit about

1:20:10

Malachai Corley is how

1:20:13

few downfield branches he really

1:20:15

has, Like he just doesn't really run

1:20:17

a whole lot of routes, and it's so

1:20:20

much of it is perimeter screen, jet

1:20:22

sweep. Get the ball in his hands on quick

1:20:24

hitters and let him run with it. And that

1:20:27

can trans if you're Debo, that translates for

1:20:29

at least a period of time. But

1:20:31

the problem is is that a lot of the time it's Laviska

1:20:34

Shenault, you know, like, it doesn't it just

1:20:36

doesn't translate. And it's

1:20:38

it's tough to do. It's tough to be. You

1:20:41

have to be like Debo was

1:20:43

for you know, his prime. You have

1:20:45

to be extremely dominant

1:20:47

with the ball in your hands to really

1:20:50

make a career out of just being

1:20:52

an at the line of scrimmage receiver. It's

1:20:55

hard to do.

1:20:55

Yeah.

1:20:56

And the other now is my fear with Corley.

1:20:58

The other thing that scares me about Corley.

1:21:00

We just talked about how Deebo took a beating and

1:21:03

it shortened his career. Corley's

1:21:05

small, like he's not He's

1:21:07

five eleven two fifteen, so

1:21:10

he's not tiny, but he's not big either. I wonder

1:21:12

about how he's gonna hold up

1:21:15

in that kind of role and is he gonna be in the lineup regularly.

1:21:17

Yeah. I just I always

1:21:20

am wary of those types of guys because I used to love those

1:21:22

types of guys, and I'm always wary of

1:21:24

them now because for every

1:21:26

Deebo Samuel, there's a Levishka Leviska

1:21:29

Shenault. Remember Dwayne Eskridge,

1:21:31

Yeah, Dwayne Eskridge. Amari Rodgers is

1:21:33

obviously another one. But he's smaller, you know, He's Amari

1:21:35

Rodgers was more of like a shifty guy than he

1:21:38

was like that power ball carrier.

1:21:41

There's a lot of though, and you're gonna hate this. There's a

1:21:43

lot of a lot of nerds that love mal Kai Corley

1:21:45

as they do a lot of analytics that like Malakai

1:21:47

Corley, So maybe he ends up being a good

1:21:49

football player. But Xavier

1:21:52

le Get, Deebo, Samuel Malakai Corley,

1:21:54

like it does seem like the Patriots are in in

1:21:57

on some guys that have that kind of skill set and

1:21:59

that kind of type. That's for sure.

1:22:01

Definitely all right.

1:22:06

Here we go. Is a long winded email, but from

1:22:09

Cody, who says he's a long time listener of us,

1:22:11

all the way back to the Patriots beat days. We love

1:22:13

those people. So you had a couple of questions

1:22:16

in here. The

1:22:19

question is can you talk more about

1:22:22

Adie Mitchell and uh, why he scares

1:22:24

you? I've heard you say we're looking for character

1:22:26

guys through this new new regime. Does

1:22:28

he really fit? So we talked about this earlier in the

1:22:30

show. I posted the best available.

1:22:33

I'm sure you did something similar. Best

1:22:35

available Number one for me

1:22:37

is still Adie Mitchell.

1:22:38

But I mean I think Cooper to Gene is the best available

1:22:41

player I had.

1:22:42

I think I had him too. I think I had

1:22:44

him one too. Brandon, I

1:22:46

you Branda, you guy just read a different email.

1:22:50

Adie Mitchell. We talked about it a lot earlier

1:22:52

on the show, So I don't want to continue to belabor the point.

1:22:54

But Bob mcgainn, who does every year

1:22:56

he's he he prints like red

1:22:59

flags about aspects, character

1:23:01

concerns off the field, that

1:23:03

type of stuff. And Adie

1:23:05

Mitchell apparently is a

1:23:08

pretty severe diabetic and he

1:23:10

has pretty brash mood

1:23:12

swings, and the

1:23:14

concern with him is that you're going

1:23:16

to have to really manage his literally

1:23:20

his blood sugar level and make sure

1:23:22

that he is in a good headspace

1:23:25

and ready to go, not necessarily

1:23:27

on game days as much, it doesn't

1:23:29

sound like, it's more like during the week, and

1:23:31

like, is he going to be locked in, and is he going to

1:23:33

be where he's supposed to be, and is he going to be in his

1:23:35

playbook and is he going to be doing all the right things, especially

1:23:38

early on in his career to get

1:23:40

that untapped potential. So

1:23:45

here's an email from Jordan who

1:23:48

mentions that he sees a lot of people

1:23:51

on Twitter that compare

1:23:53

Drake May to Mac Jones, and

1:23:56

I like to think that those people are trolls, Like

1:23:59

I don't really I can't imagine

1:24:02

that you're watching those two guys and you see somebody

1:24:04

that's similar.

1:24:04

So here's where I think that comes from it. There is one.

1:24:08

On the surface, it's a similarity, but it's it's

1:24:10

really not how

1:24:12

many times did we watch mac Jones,

1:24:16

you know, try to throw across his body

1:24:19

or try to throw out of a sack or

1:24:21

things like that. But he just

1:24:23

started doing that really in twenty twenty

1:24:25

two when everything broke down around

1:24:28

him and he got panicky. And by the way, they have

1:24:30

a Drake made number ten jersey in his lock or there's

1:24:32

tweet out of picture, so he's wearing number

1:24:34

to go go eat your jerseys. Yeah, mac

1:24:38

Jones wasn't like, that's not who mac Jones

1:24:41

was in college. He got panicky and did that.

1:24:44

Drake May has always done that because he has the

1:24:46

athletic ability to do it. He's not doing

1:24:48

it in a panicky sense. Now,

1:24:51

will that stuff still translate in the NFL

1:24:53

the way it's in the ACC. I don't

1:24:55

think so. And that's going to be an adjustment. He's got to cut

1:24:57

a lot of that out of his game. Yeah, something has to work

1:24:59

on. But it may

1:25:02

look the same visually, it's not

1:25:04

the same thing. And I know that sounds dumb.

1:25:06

Well, it's because his arm talent is vastly

1:25:09

I.

1:25:09

Think Patriots fans now have

1:25:12

this they've heard for the last

1:25:15

two years. Throwing off the back foot,

1:25:17

throwing against your body. It's just being these negative

1:25:19

things.

1:25:20

Go watch Josh Allen or Patrick mahomes right,

1:25:22

they do it all the time.

1:25:23

They're negative. If you can't do it, And look,

1:25:25

you know who's.

1:25:25

The guy that actually sorry? But you know

1:25:28

the guy that I think it reminds

1:25:30

me the most of is Jordan Love. Because

1:25:33

Jordan's yeah, because Jordan Love.

1:25:35

Yeah, there's some similarities there.

1:25:36

Jordan Love has the ability. And I think one of the best

1:25:39

traits about about Drake May is

1:25:41

that he'll like drift. People think he's

1:25:43

drifting and it's a bad thing, But

1:25:45

what he's doing is he's he's drifting in the pocket

1:25:48

away from a source of pressure right

1:25:50

like they're bringing you'll blitz off the left side, so

1:25:52

he'll just kind of drift a little bit in the pocket

1:25:54

to his right, or drift a little bit into his left.

1:25:57

And what he's doing is he's just buying himself that

1:25:59

extra second, that half a second of time

1:26:02

to stand and deliver or throw. And

1:26:05

he doesn't need to have his feet set and step

1:26:07

into the throw to drive. It just like

1:26:09

Jordan Love. You watch Jordan Love play. He throws

1:26:12

a lot of passes off his back foot, but

1:26:14

he's got so much arm talent that it doesn't make a difference.

1:26:17

And I see a lot of similarities there with

1:26:19

Drake May as well. Hopefully it develops faster

1:26:22

for Drake May. Hopefully doesn't take two years obviously

1:26:24

from the bed on the field, but just in terms

1:26:26

of stylistically, if you had to compare him to you

1:26:29

know, I've compared him to Alan a lot. There's a really

1:26:31

good email we can get to here in a second about that, But

1:26:33

I think that there's a lot of Jordan Love overlap

1:26:36

of the way that he manages the pocket

1:26:38

to buy himself time and do the things that

1:26:40

you're saying. Yeah, I think the one thing that worries

1:26:43

me a little bit about what he does is it's

1:26:45

more throwing late over the middle of

1:26:47

the field, like he'll see

1:26:49

a read is there and him might

1:26:52

leave the pocket a little bit too prematurely. And

1:26:54

Belichick was talking about this on McAfee

1:26:56

last night that he doesn't always he

1:26:58

doesn't. He leaves the pocket little bit prematurely sometimes,

1:27:01

but then he'll get back on schedule or try

1:27:04

to get back on schedule. But by the time

1:27:06

he makes the throw over the middle of the field, it's too late, like

1:27:08

the defender is already streaking in front of it, right,

1:27:10

you know. So those types of things are

1:27:13

are things that he has to work out. I'm not as

1:27:15

concerned about. You know, he makes a lot of throws

1:27:17

with people like hanging all over him and stuff like that. I

1:27:20

think that you should let him do that. I like,

1:27:23

I don't need him to a playmakers.

1:27:25

It's not gonna work as consistently

1:27:27

in the NFL as it did in college. I'm not saying take

1:27:29

it out of his game, but he needs to understand

1:27:32

it's not something he can rely on as much.

1:27:34

It almost became a go to for him, and

1:27:36

it can't be in the NFL. Not saying he can't do it,

1:27:38

but he he's gonna have to. He's

1:27:40

got to learn to win in structure too.

1:27:42

Yeah, I agree with you. I just think that if you take too much

1:27:44

of that away from him, you're taking a superpower away.

1:27:47

I'm not saying take it away. I'm just saying, like, it

1:27:49

can't be as I think at times it was his first

1:27:51

option. Yeah,

1:27:54

was just I'm gonna let this thing run out as long

1:27:56

as possible to get the best possible

1:27:58

play and I can fight these defenders

1:28:00

off and whatever, like you're not gonna be able to do.

1:28:03

He made a lot of throws like going to the ground

1:28:05

where guys are like sacking him in the pocket

1:28:07

and he just will He'll just throw it. He made a throw

1:28:09

I think it was against Duke or I have no idea

1:28:12

how he even got the ball to the running back, but

1:28:14

he hits the check down with like three guys on yeah,

1:28:17

and it was just like, I don't even know how he did this. I

1:28:19

know the lefty pass goes around a lot as

1:28:21

well, but I actually think the lefty pass

1:28:23

was probably the safest play that he made in a lot

1:28:25

of ways out of that group

1:28:27

of type of plays because the guy was wide.

1:28:29

Guys wide open. That was more a lateral than

1:28:31

a pass. He was wide open in the back

1:28:34

and again like like and that was a spot

1:28:36

where it's good to use it. I just think he gotta

1:28:38

like, you gotta rain in a little bit,

1:28:40

Yeah, I agree, and that'll be a learning process

1:28:42

and that'll you know, happen at the stand and.

1:28:44

Deliver in the pocket a little bit more consistently.

1:28:46

Yeah, like because because you say you know it's taking

1:28:49

well, you say it's taken away his superpower. One of

1:28:51

his superpower is just his army. If he can

1:28:53

sit in the pocket, set his feet and throw, that's a superpower

1:28:55

too.

1:28:56

You need him to. I'm a little bit more justin Herbert

1:28:58

than Josh Allen exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:29:01

So we've used Josh Allen as a comp

1:29:04

This is Emery emailing and said,

1:29:06

what can you tell us about Josh Allen's

1:29:08

skilled development timeline? What were

1:29:10

his weaknesses coming into the league and how quickly

1:29:12

was he able to fix him? I think this is a great question. So

1:29:15

Josh Allen. I will never forget watching

1:29:17

Josh Allen up here his rookie season. What

1:29:19

was that twenty seventeen eighteen something

1:29:22

like that?

1:29:23

Eighteen because he was the Baker Oh

1:29:26

is it night? No, he was Lamar was eighteen, right,

1:29:29

because nineteen was the Daniel Jones here nineteen, Harry

1:29:32

he was he was Lamar Baker Rosen

1:29:34

right.

1:29:34

Yeah, so he's nineteen was his rookie season?

1:29:36

Then?

1:29:37

No, eighteen eighteen?

1:29:38

Yeah, because he's the eighteen draft.

1:29:40

Yeah, we're so bad at this.

1:29:41

No, I know what it is. You're confusing me.

1:29:43

Eighteen.

1:29:44

I remember watching him. This was twenty eighteen NFL

1:29:47

draft. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold,

1:29:49

Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Yeah,

1:29:52

Lamar mar Jackson.

1:29:53

Yeah, idiots. I have a couple of

1:29:55

things to say about that.

1:29:55

Actual the next quarterback I went.

1:29:57

But the biggest thing that

1:29:59

on Josh Allen question, which I love.

1:30:01

You know who the next quarterback went after Lamar? Was

1:30:03

the third round?

1:30:04

Was it the guy? The Cleveland

1:30:06

Browns guy? Who was it? He got that?

1:30:09

He has a very famous moment with the Cleveland Browns.

1:30:11

Who was it?

1:30:12

AFC North who

1:30:15

was an East the League? Mason Rudolph, Mason

1:30:17

Rudolph remember future Patriot Kyle lawleta,

1:30:20

oh yeah, Danny Etling, shout out Daniels.

1:30:22

So to

1:30:24

start on the Josh Allen timeline,

1:30:27

I remember watching him his rookie season late and

1:30:29

up here, and he could not hit

1:30:32

a water if he fell out of a boat. You know, like

1:30:34

the ball was all over the place. He

1:30:36

was air mailing passes ten yards

1:30:38

over. He

1:30:41

was air mailing passes ten yards over guy's heads.

1:30:43

It was.

1:30:43

It was not good. And uh, I think

1:30:45

everybody at that time was like, no way, there's

1:30:48

no way that this guy is gonna gonna be a good player

1:30:50

in the league. So the big

1:30:52

thing with Josh Allen that I think changed

1:30:54

a lot for him was

1:30:57

Jordan Palmer. So he started working with Jordan

1:30:59

Palmer in the offseas in one of these QB mechanical

1:31:02

coaches, you know, private coaches. Yeah,

1:31:04

and they really they really

1:31:07

worked hard on almost retraining him

1:31:09

how to throw the ball like mechanically from

1:31:11

the ground up. Obviously he started with his footwork,

1:31:14

but they also you know, got him to spin

1:31:17

on his axis a little bit smoother and shorten

1:31:19

up his release like that. He threw

1:31:21

the throws the ball differently now just point

1:31:24

blank. But all

1:31:26

these things that were worked on year

1:31:29

two, I think people underestimate

1:31:32

how much of a leap Josh Allen was already making

1:31:34

in his second season with the Bills. If

1:31:37

you look at his stats from his second year, are

1:31:39

they you know, do you throw for fifty touchdowns?

1:31:41

No?

1:31:41

But like he's already a positive player by

1:31:44

year two. He's already you know, two to one

1:31:46

touchdown to interception ratio like all that kind

1:31:48

of stuff. And then they

1:31:50

get digs and then it takes off, right, you know, and

1:31:52

that's sort of the timeline. But he was already

1:31:55

a pretty good quarterback by his second season.

1:31:58

It was really only his rookie year where he was a mess.

1:32:01

Uh So he he developed quicker

1:32:03

than I think some people remember. But

1:32:05

a lot of the work for Josh Allen

1:32:08

was done behind the scenes, Like

1:32:10

a lot of the work was done with Brian Dable,

1:32:12

with with Jordan Palmer, with

1:32:15

with behind the scenes stuff that nobody saw. So

1:32:19

with that being said, there's a lot of work that was put

1:32:21

in that Drake may is gonna

1:32:23

have to be committed to as well. Right, Josh

1:32:25

Allen deserves a lot of credit for being Josh Allen,

1:32:27

Like he he didn't credit who

1:32:30

deserves the most. God give

1:32:32

him some credit. He developed him. Talk

1:32:35

about this with Brady a lot as well. You

1:32:37

know, those guys. I'm not saying

1:32:39

Josh Allen was as maniacal as Brady was. Nobody

1:32:41

is. But those guys worked at their crafts. That's

1:32:44

that's the bottom line. They worked at their crafts as

1:32:46

hard as they possibly could to improve

1:32:48

and get you know, Brady, get bigger, stronger,

1:32:51

you know, Alan, to get more mechanically

1:32:53

sound and Uh, he was able to do

1:32:55

it. And that's what the other thing when

1:32:57

we talk about, you know, the Patriots seeds is around

1:33:00

Drake May with the right pieces. That was how

1:33:02

we started the show. Now it's also

1:33:04

on Drake made it individually developed himself,

1:33:06

you know, like there's an individual development that he needs

1:33:08

with his footwork and with his base and with

1:33:11

his timing and all that kind of stuff that

1:33:13

it's going to be on him. A big part of that is

1:33:16

going to be on him. So that's where the Josh Allen

1:33:18

comparisons come from. Josh Allen came into the league

1:33:21

in college at Wyoming at an even lower level,

1:33:23

was not necessarily dominant at Wyoming,

1:33:26

and was completing under sixty percent

1:33:28

of his passes, which is usually like a death knell for

1:33:31

quarterback prospects. I think he's

1:33:33

at fifty six or fifty eight percent

1:33:35

completion rate his last year at Wyoming. If

1:33:38

you're below sixty then most of the time you're not making

1:33:40

it right.

1:33:40

And he'd been that since high school. I mean, he didn't have a good

1:33:42

completion percentage in high school.

1:33:44

Yeah, so it's similar. You

1:33:46

know, there's obviously some similarities to other

1:33:49

quarterbacks to Jordan Love. Herbert

1:33:51

is I think probably the if

1:33:53

you want to say, you know, all this

1:33:55

kind of stuff is kind of fake and

1:33:57

not real and overblown. Herbert

1:34:00

was really good right away. I know they didn't win a lot of games

1:34:03

right away.

1:34:03

But Herbert, he came in and established himself.

1:34:05

Yeah, Herbert was already in a very it

1:34:08

was a quick developer and a quick learner and was

1:34:10

really good as a rookie. So if

1:34:12

you want to go that we're out and say that all

1:34:14

this has just been overblown, you know, draft

1:34:17

nonsense, then it's justin

1:34:20

Herbert. If you want to say it's gonna take the developmental

1:34:22

track a little bit, but he's gonna play

1:34:24

through it, it will be Josh Allen. The sitting

1:34:27

and waiting is Jordan Love, right, Like those are

1:34:29

the sort of the three guys I would go with with

1:34:32

with that, the other thing I think is interesting

1:34:34

about Josh Allen. So you mentioned Baker Mayfield went

1:34:36

one to one in that draft. Josh Allen goes

1:34:39

eight to the Bills, right, if I have eight

1:34:43

seven or eight and then Lamar goes thirty

1:34:45

second.

1:34:46

Yep, you forgot Trush frozen. I

1:34:49

didn't, And Sam Donald I didn't seventh.

1:34:51

Okay, Smith won eight, So Baker goes

1:34:53

one to one. Yeah, Josh Allen

1:34:56

goes seventh. Yeah, Lamar Goo's thirty second, Yeah,

1:34:58

and Sam Donald went third.

1:35:00

Who was the people in

1:35:03

the building in Cleveland?

1:35:04

I thought about this, Elliot Wolf

1:35:06

was the assistant GM.

1:35:07

And who was the offensive coordinator?

1:35:10

Was it was Van Pelt?

1:35:11

Was it Van? I think Van Pelt got

1:35:14

there later. Yeah.

1:35:15

I don't think Vana Pel was there.

1:35:17

He might not have been there yet.

1:35:19

Van Pelt was, He

1:35:22

was in Cincinnati.

1:35:22

He's still in Cincinnati.

1:35:24

Darn.

1:35:24

That really doesn't regardless, all

1:35:26

right, No, no, this is it really

1:35:29

worked if it was both of them.