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Training Camp-Cast 8/8: Day 12 Recap, Prepping for Texans, Trent Brown/Matthew Judon Ramp Up Participation

Training Camp-Cast 8/8: Day 12 Recap, Prepping for Texans, Trent Brown/Matthew Judon Ramp Up Participation

Released Tuesday, 8th August 2023
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Training Camp-Cast 8/8: Day 12 Recap, Prepping for Texans, Trent Brown/Matthew Judon Ramp Up Participation

Training Camp-Cast 8/8: Day 12 Recap, Prepping for Texans, Trent Brown/Matthew Judon Ramp Up Participation

Training Camp-Cast 8/8: Day 12 Recap, Prepping for Texans, Trent Brown/Matthew Judon Ramp Up Participation

Training Camp-Cast 8/8: Day 12 Recap, Prepping for Texans, Trent Brown/Matthew Judon Ramp Up Participation

Tuesday, 8th August 2023
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0:02

This is the Patriots Training Camp

0:05

Cast. The

0:09

Patriots Training Camp Cast is your source

0:11

for all the news from Patriots training camp.

0:13

Well, I do still watch the news.

0:15

Practice is over. But the writers of Patriots

0:17

dot com have you covered well? I miss yesterday

0:20

now here to review today's practice. The

0:22

writers of Patriots dot.

0:23

Com today, that would

0:25

be Evan Wlizar and Paul Perillo. No, Mike do

0:27

so a rare absence for

0:30

Mike in these training camp casts. It's

0:32

a it's family days family. His boys

0:34

are here, Tyson Campbell is here, so correct,

0:37

all of them, Tyson Campbell, Tyson

0:40

Campbell.

0:40

The Jaguars.

0:42

So. But I will say Mike

0:44

took in day twelve of training

0:46

camp before he he relieved himself

0:48

of his duties. Full pads

0:51

once again. We sort of talked

0:53

about that a little bit on the normal PU

0:55

program, a little bit of a shorter maybe

0:58

a half hour less, a lot of preppara work,

1:00

I would say for Thursday night. What really

1:02

stood out to me, Evan was, you know

1:04

the first team period, it's Bailey Zappy, So my

1:07

guess is you're gonna see ZAPPI to

1:09

start. Then you saw a lot of Trace MC slowly in Malie

1:11

Cunningham wouldn't be surprised to see

1:13

a good, good chunk of all three of those Thursday night.

1:15

Yeah, there was definitely a clear line

1:18

of Mac and some of the other

1:20

top receivers that he's been throwing to regularly

1:22

in these practices were going

1:25

through drills either on a separate

1:27

field or just behind the

1:30

guys that are going to be playing on Thursday night,

1:32

and there was definitely a feel of Bailey

1:35

Zappi's gonna start on

1:37

Thursday night for the Patriots, and you'll see

1:39

some of the exciting younger receivers.

1:41

I'm sure you know, Pop Douglas and Kashan

1:43

Boody will probably be his primary

1:46

receiver. So you're not it's not like you're

1:48

gonna see You're not gonna see anybody on Thursday

1:50

Night that might make the team or have some value

1:53

on the team. But it's gonna be this

1:55

the clear cut veteran starter group. It

1:57

looks like they're all gonna sit out. And actually, after

2:00

practice, Dietrich Wise basically

2:02

spilled the beans. Instead of yeah, he said he's

2:05

not going to play. And if he's not playing, then

2:07

that the domino effect. Yeah.

2:10

Yeah, Now, one guy semi

2:12

regular guy I would say, is Taekwon Thohnton. I

2:15

think you could get some of him too.

2:17

I think at least for the first couple of drives.

2:20

I don't know how long Zapi's going to play, but

2:22

I would think that as long as Zappi is out

2:24

there that we will see Taekwon with

2:27

him. And I think the interesting thing with Taekwon

2:29

is he's I

2:31

don't want to be too strong, but I

2:33

can't really think of another word besides demoted

2:36

honestly to a secondary

2:38

group of receivers and not with those frontline

2:40

guys. But he is popping

2:43

in those reps that he's getting now. I

2:45

would like to see him against a Christian

2:48

Gonzales for example, or some

2:50

of the leading guys on the defensive side of the

2:52

ball at the cornerback position. But I

2:54

have noticed that his speed and his

2:57

ability to create separation with that

2:59

speed has given no

3:01

pun intended the emre speeds and Isaiah

3:04

Boldens of the world some problems.

3:06

So it wouldn't surprise me if if

3:08

Taekwan sees some run on Thursday night. It wouldn't

3:10

surprise me if he makes some plays on Thursday

3:12

night.

3:13

Yeah, well, no question he should get

3:15

an opportunity. He's gonna be playing against some

3:17

guys that probably are fighting for roster

3:19

spots and whatnot. Some

3:21

bookkeeping. Trey Flowers did you

3:24

know, officially sign with the team. We

3:26

did not see him out at practice. I know

3:28

in the media relations department was efforting to try

3:30

to get him to come out and speak. I hadn't

3:32

seen him, Evan and I did not stay till

3:35

the very end of the media availability.

3:38

It was a rap. Okay, so unless

3:41

it surprises, Yeah, so we'll see. I mean, obviously

3:43

he's not going to be involved on Thursday night,

3:45

but he is in the fold. Still no

3:47

time Montgomery, still no cold.

3:49

Strange, you know, Matthew

3:52

Slater was back in uniform. But one interesting guy

3:54

I thought from a health related standpoint

3:56

was Trent Brown did take some scout

3:59

team reps toward the end of practice

4:01

with Mac Jones at quarterback running

4:03

this Mac Jones seemed to have a great time running

4:05

the scout team too, maybe a little too much fun.

4:08

Maybe a little too much fun. I agree. It

4:10

looked like Trent was pretty rusty. He had

4:12

some problems with I think Sam Roberts

4:15

on a couple of plays. He was

4:17

you know, just out there. So I would say that

4:19

that's a progression from what we've seen

4:22

since pads came on, you

4:24

know, So another thing to keep in mind.

4:25

Yeah, yesterday he was a part of the walkthrough at

4:27

the very beginning of practice. Today

4:29

he did the walk through again and then took some

4:32

i would say three quarter speed live reps

4:35

at left tackle that you just

4:37

mentioned. So definitely a ramp up in participation

4:40

for him. And we also saw Matthew

4:42

Judon take his first one on one rep today

4:45

and O line D line one on ones

4:47

and then also get a little bit of team run

4:49

as well. So I think both those guys are starting

4:51

to dial it up a little bit. And

4:53

this was my not the

4:55

too my own horn, but this was my prediction a little

4:57

bit that once we get to Green Bay and

5:00

we get to the joint practices, as long as

5:02

Brown is healthy, I think that him

5:04

and Judhon will participate in Green Bay.

5:06

I think we'll see them in both joint practice

5:09

sessions and that might be it, but I think we

5:11

will see them, yes.

5:12

And one other thing I'll add before we put

5:15

a rap on this, both Marcus Jones

5:17

and to Mario Douglas spoke after practice.

5:20

Interesting to hear them talk about one another. They've

5:22

gone against each other a lot, and some of the

5:24

one on ones makes a lot of sense. They're

5:26

both smaller guys that rely more

5:28

on speed and quickness. Interesting

5:31

to hear how each of those guys talked about

5:33

the other and helping them sort

5:35

of develop. And Marcus Jones

5:37

in particular, I thought was complimentary of

5:40

Douglas's ability to get in and out

5:42

of breaks, stop and start. Yeah,

5:44

you know, it doesn't really slow down, which

5:47

is probably a little bit rare for a rookie.

5:49

Yeah. Look, his route running is fantastic.

5:52

It really does stand out. The quickness. They're

5:54

no wasted movement and out of the break, which is

5:57

really big for all receivers. But I

5:59

think a lot of these speed guy sometimes,

6:01

I believe it or not, the hardest part is

6:03

decelerating and stopping yourself and being

6:05

able to then change directions, and his

6:08

ability to do that definitely stands out. I

6:10

think the one thing with him and not to you

6:12

know, rain on the parade.

6:15

You know, I'm a pop Douglas guy. I'm excited about

6:17

you, induce, but just smack me around

6:19

every day. Let's just wait until

6:22

we see it in some live eleven

6:24

on eleven or preseason work. Because

6:26

it's great that he's a one on one darling.

6:28

It's great that he's great in seven on seven,

6:31

but that's not real football. And one on one.

6:33

I think this is a little bit of a gripe

6:35

that I have that I can't just let

6:37

go for some reason. But one

6:39

on ones for wide receivers and corners is not

6:41

real football. No, it's not real football.

6:44

There's no help in the middle of the field, there's no

6:46

pass rush. These are just covering

6:48

guys on an island. And if somebody like

6:50

the Mario Douglas, who does have insane

6:52

quickness and good speed, if

6:55

he's not separating in one on ones and he's

6:57

not an NFL player like period, but

6:59

that doesn't make him a superstar

7:01

just because he's going out there and beating people

7:04

in one on one. So I'm really interested to see him

7:06

on Thursday night because I want to see. Okay,

7:09

we see the traits, we see the skill,

7:11

and we see the burst, but is

7:13

that really going to translate

7:15

once we get between the lines on Thursday night?

7:18

So you guys can continue to listen to Mike and Paul

7:20

about Tomorrio Douglas. If you want to stay excited,

7:22

if you want to get rained on the parade. I

7:24

am excited, but.

7:27

I'm just being honest, like this is such

7:29

a training camp player

7:32

for me right now, where it's difficult

7:34

to tell of whether or not this is just a

7:36

guy that in training camp

7:38

practices where contact isn't quite

7:40

as as full tilt as a real game,

7:43

is just going to be a star because he's so fast,

7:45

or if this is truly a player that can go out

7:47

there and do it on Sundays and we'll

7:50

have to wait and see on that.

7:51

All right, So that's going to put a rap on not

7:53

only Day twelve, but our training

7:55

camp casts because as of

7:58

now there will be no more open training

8:00

camp practices. I think that could

8:02

change in terms of the media. Maybe on Sunday

8:05

Monday ish and we'll

8:07

I'm not sure if we'll have training camp casts

8:10

for those days. But it's

8:12

been a quick couple of weeks and I think

8:14

you know, they got a decent amount

8:17

of work done. You could see the progression

8:19

I think that you're looking for that we didn't see last year.

8:21

Offensively, it started in a similar spot,

8:24

but I think it got better most

8:26

days, whereas last year it just stayed

8:29

the same. So I think if you're looking for reasons

8:31

for optimism offensively, that would

8:33

be it. You're seeing the progression.

8:34

Yeah, I definitely said the progression. I would think

8:37

mainly in the red zone. Like remember the first couple

8:39

of days in the red zone was ugly for the offense.

8:42

Sorry, those hard play action with the little swing

8:44

to the back is given the defense fits.

8:46

Yeah, all summer.

8:47

Yeah, now all of a sudden, they're starting to make some more plays.

8:49

MIKEASICKI had maybe the catch of training can.

8:51

I'm glad you brought that up. Tremendous one handed catch.

8:54

One handed catch tax to test. I think there

8:56

are three defenders in the air and it wasn't official

8:58

there to give them the touchdown. Yeah, it was. It was a

9:00

touchdown. And he's come on a little bit last

9:02

couple of days as well. So I think

9:05

that's the biggest part that you know, people ask me

9:07

what's the biggest difference between the offense this year

9:09

and the offense last year? And I just think

9:11

that this year the details look

9:13

like they're they're being ironed out. It looks

9:16

like the timing and the rhythm and then

9:18

also obviously the scheme is doing

9:20

what it's supposed to be doing at most

9:22

of the time. Now, I think they've looked good,

9:24

you know, the skeleton, the seven on seven looks

9:26

good. Let's see what the offensive line play

9:29

looks like and how it all comes together from there.

9:31

But in terms of the timing, the

9:33

ability to get open from the receivers within

9:36

the structure of the scheme, quarterbacks

9:38

receivers night and day compared to last

9:40

year.

9:41

All right, So that's Sevan Wizar and Paul Parolo

9:43

that's going to put a rap on Day twelve here

9:45

in Foxborough.

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