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I figured after the draft you'd have this big

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I just oh, okay, all

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right, Well, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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It is Tuesday

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after the draft here at Jillette Stadium.

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It's duced Tamara, Evan Paul,

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myself, Matt Nabooth and

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uh. I think overall,

0:51

everybody's pretty pleased with the

0:53

hall. Thanks for the weekend.

0:55

I think so seems like it. I mean, uh, you

0:57

know, definitely some questions about I think still remain

0:59

along that the offensive line. But you

1:02

said you had to weaponize the offense and get

1:04

rookies, and you know, it feels like they pretty

1:06

much hit most of their needs. I mean, probably a couple of position

1:09

groups that maybe just a little bit surprised that

1:11

they didn't spend a Day three draft pick on, which isn't

1:13

all that big of a deal. But I would say I'm

1:15

excited. It's just I think the questions about left tackle

1:17

kind of continue.

1:18

It's still in terms of quality and depth.

1:20

But when's the last time we went into a draft saying,

1:23

here are the top three needs bing bing bing

1:25

and that's the things that they exactly did.

1:27

Yeah, and I think we said too, like, they're not gonna

1:29

be able to hit all three perfectly, you know, and I don't

1:32

And I really I think they hit one perfectly.

1:34

And you know, the receivers, I really like the

1:36

receivers, but you know, I think that there is you know,

1:38

some discussion to be had about they tried to trade

1:40

back up, so clearly they wanted to, you

1:42

know, maybe get somebody that was a little bit higher

1:45

on their board than the guys they ended up with.

1:47

I say that as I liked those guys. And then you

1:49

know, the tackle, I think is the biggest question there the

1:51

third pick, which you know, Ken that kid

1:53

moved to the left side. That's the question we already

1:55

had with with some of the guys that already exist on the roster.

1:57

Yeah, there was definitely something going on at the end of the

2:00

first round with the Bills, and I think

2:05

on somebody that we wanted there in terms

2:07

of a receiver.

2:08

Yeah, yeah, that's that seems like the case. But

2:10

but overall reactions seems you know pretty

2:12

good. Just needed offense, took offense,

2:15

and uh yeah, I'm excited to see these

2:17

guys get out here in those few days.

2:18

Week, not if you not if you listened to Paul's

2:21

shows yesterday, which I did because I had

2:23

to hear what the you know, Burnan

2:26

Ernie had to say about the draft, and uh, I

2:28

think the biggest thing that they said was probably

2:30

the one critique I hear the most from people.

2:33

So it's I guess fair

2:35

is just you know, did they

2:37

miss runs at receiver and tackle?

2:39

And like how they how they played the board, not

2:42

necessarily the players that they got, but

2:45

you know how they played the game, you know,

2:47

of the draft board. At receiver,

2:50

you mentioned that it sounds like they tried to trade

2:52

back up in the first round, like most people

2:54

think Xavier Laguet was the guy that they wanted. You

2:57

know, they end up in a run of six receivers

3:00

and they get the sixth guy, you know, tackle seemed

3:02

like Caden Wallace. Maybe

3:05

they missed out on the Patrick Paul's and

3:07

the Kingsley Sue Mattias. But I

3:09

think at the end of the day, like we've

3:11

seen, it doesn't always

3:14

go that the top guy taken, or you know, the

3:16

way that the run unfolds you, that they could end

3:18

up being right in the long run, that Jalen

3:20

Polk is a better player than lad mcconncor.

3:22

Or they could end up being lucky, you know,

3:24

like the other way you want to put it. Yeah, because like if you were

3:26

trying to move up, obviously there was somebody who were targeting,

3:29

but it might turn out that the guy you were targeting

3:31

isn't as good as the guy you ended up with. Yeah, you

3:33

know, yep, so, But

3:36

I think in terms of the positions, I

3:38

think, you know, it was pretty good. I'm

3:41

intrigued by the second wide receiver

3:43

Baker. He's got a little dog in

3:46

him, you know, like I think

3:48

he might have some competing in here.

3:49

And I feel like you need that in the receiver

3:52

and corner position. You need those guys who

3:54

are confident in themselves and according

3:56

to him, grab your popcorn, have it ready

3:58

to go when you get to chill.

4:00

Yeah, I mean, now out there, you know, reality's

4:03

gonna hit him in the face when he gets here. Yeah,

4:06

but what's the stacy

4:08

James. Yeah, like Parcels said, if they don't bite

4:10

when they're puppies, they won't bite when their dogs.

4:12

So yeah, that's gonna happened. Boom er bust.

4:14

It feels like with him. But it's funny though, because some of the people

4:16

who are critiquing the draft and are like, well, I think

4:19

the fourth round receiver is the best pick, And I'm like, well,

4:21

how does that make sense? Like yeah, you know, like that's

4:24

like because you think in your mind of whatever

4:26

you've done, that this guy might go off, Like I

4:28

don't know, it just feels it feels oh yeah, silly,

4:31

Like you know, they obviously like Polk was a better

4:33

player and they took him higher for a reason.

4:35

But and I also just didn't like the sixth

4:37

best receiver. That's an easy way to put it. But did

4:40

you really want lab? I mean I would have taken

4:43

Jalen Polk over, Like I don't know. Sometimes I think you

4:45

get to that point and it's kind of an eye of the beholder.

4:47

So yeah, you can say he was the sixth receiver taken,

4:49

but does that necessarily mean he was their

4:51

sixth receiver.

4:52

I don't know, And I think the big thing about it is,

4:54

and we were talking about this on Catch twenty two. I had all

4:56

these guys in the same

4:59

tier received Ladd McConkie,

5:01

Royman Wilson, Troy Franklin, Jalen

5:04

McMillan, the other Washington receiver. They

5:06

were all in the same tier for me, and I

5:09

think at the end of the day, you take the guy

5:11

that stylistically plays the way that you

5:13

want to play, and that's that's the separator,

5:16

right, It's not necessarily Yeah,

5:18

I had a slightly higher grade on Ladd

5:20

McConkie than I did on Jalen Polk, But

5:23

maybe they want a guy that's a little bit bigger, a little

5:25

bit stronger, you know, one hundred and eighty six

5:27

pound receiver in McConkie versus a two hundred and

5:29

five pound receiver in Polk. So that skill

5:32

set tip the scales towards Jalen

5:34

Polk for them, and that's

5:36

different.

5:36

There was an email that came across that you guys

5:39

addressed in Catch twenty two towards the

5:42

end, which I'm going to push back on you a

5:44

little bit, Evan, where Elliott Wolfe

5:46

said, you know where I come from,

5:49

it's not so much XYZ, it's

5:51

are they good? Are they good receivers?

5:54

You know? And I think that's refreshing.

5:57

I know the email that's sent it in said

5:59

we should we be worried about that? I

6:02

say no, I mean can

6:04

the guy? Can the guy separate? Can he

6:06

catch it when you throw it to him?

6:08

You know, like the second

6:10

part for sure with these guys.

6:11

Yeah, you know, so that's more important than

6:13

is he is he you know frame? Or is he

6:16

Z one?

6:16

Two three? Here we go again.

6:18

Can we get a bunch of guys that can get separation

6:20

and catch the ball?

6:21

Yeah?

6:22

I just think that you always say

6:24

to watch what they do and not what

6:26

they say. And when I look at these two

6:28

guys, I think they're extremely complimentary

6:31

players. I think Javon Baker is

6:33

an outside receiver. If you

6:35

don't want to put X on him because we don't like

6:37

the letters, that's fine. But Javon Baker

6:40

is an outside receiver. Jalen Polk

6:42

is an inside outside receiver. Can do

6:44

a little bit of both, and so I think these

6:47

two guys are very complimentary. And they're also

6:49

very complimentary to Drake may like their their

6:51

skills overlap with what he does well.

6:54

So I think in a lot of ways, Elliott

6:57

says that, oh, we don't necessarily prioritize

6:59

positions and things like that. Well, you drafted

7:01

a down the field outside

7:03

receiver and you drafted a Z receiver

7:06

that moves inside and out. So by

7:08

your actions, it looks like you said,

7:11

we're gonna get two guys that are at least a little bit

7:13

different here so that they're not stepping on each

7:15

other's toes. That's just the way that I look at

7:18

it. I think that people are more excited about Javon

7:20

Baker because he's flash here. There's

7:22

no doubt about it that Javon Baker's highlights

7:25

are better than Jalen Polk's highlights. So if

7:27

you're into that flash, and I'm not

7:29

saying that that's necessarily wrong, but

7:31

you're gonna look at Javon Baker as

7:34

a more flashy big play. I

7:36

mean, had averaged like twenty two yards

7:39

per catch last year in the Big twelve, so you

7:41

know he's one of those guys that plays that way, whereas

7:43

Jalen Polk is gonna be the steady, chain

7:46

moving possession receiver that might not

7:48

have as much flash to him but might be more consistent.

7:51

Was Javon Baker the number one guy

7:53

at UCF.

7:54

Yes, yeah, I mean he led to the

7:56

Big twelve in receiving last year, just

7:58

the entire conference. And is

8:01

it a big play machine. I mean the

8:03

only two guys that had more twenty plus yard

8:05

catches than Javon Baker Dunesay

8:08

and Neighbors and the whole FBS.

8:11

So this is a this is a big play guy. You

8:13

know, that's what he does.

8:14

Does anyone hold against him transferring

8:17

out of Alabama?

8:18

I mean they're all transferred now, yeah.

8:21

I mean maybe they're going for like the elite

8:23

of the elite to a lower, you know

8:26

level school.

8:27

I mean it's Big twelve now, Like it's

8:30

to me there was a time that I would have but

8:32

not anymore. Like everybody transfers now.

8:34

And it's hard to I'm just throwing it out there,

8:36

and it's hard.

8:37

To at Alabama when you have so

8:39

many five star guys. It's like, how are you gonna

8:41

get playing time?

8:42

Right? So you know something, you know, it

8:44

could be good, Like the Andy Harts of the world would

8:47

be like just fight it out better.

8:50

The fairness, Like there's probably a time,

8:52

you know, eight or ten years ago that I would have been like

8:54

that, like you know, compete, yeah, you know,

8:56

like he's something admirable about what Matt

8:58

Castle did at USC, you

9:01

know, which is nothing, no complete

9:04

and try to win the job. Don't take your ball and go

9:06

home and it just goes somewhere else. Now,

9:09

you can make an argument that had he gone somewhere

9:11

else, maybe he would have been drafted higher,

9:13

but that didn't prevent him from having an NFL career.

9:15

So I mean, what what would have happened

9:18

to for example, let's

9:21

just say Jalen if he didn't

9:24

transfer from Oklahoma

9:26

to Alabama, what happened to him?

9:30

I don't know, Jalen.

9:33

Sorry, I'm like my brain is like blinking

9:35

right now.

9:37

Yes, okay, he went from Alabama, toy.

9:40

So imagine you would have stayed there and competed with Tua.

9:42

Like, would he be where he is right now if

9:44

he would have just stayed there as the backup behind

9:47

too?

9:47

I would say he probably would be, because he was

9:49

already the starter before that. Now, if

9:51

he had never played in Alabama, that's

9:53

different, you think, now,

9:56

yeah, he never player or the

9:58

same draft pick. He probably wouldn't have gotten

10:00

drafted in the second round. Yeah, I think that

10:03

the performance at Oklahoma probably got him

10:05

second round status. He'd be the same player.

10:08

I think a

10:10

lot to do with his development.

10:11

I think I have

10:14

no way of knowing that for sure. You guys might be right on.

10:16

No, I'm just saying, like if he stayed there behind Tua

10:18

and never saw the field again.

10:20

Yeah, I listen, I think putting,

10:23

but he would have I think. I think giving

10:25

these guys control of their future.

10:28

I think it's a good thing. You know. I I

10:30

would have been one of those guys, you

10:32

know, had I had any ability. Uh,

10:34

And I got into a sport and you

10:37

know I wasn't seeing as much playing

10:39

time, if at all, I'd want to leave

10:41

and go. I'm not out here to watch.

10:44

I want to.

10:44

Play so much easier now too,

10:47

with the way things are. I mean, used to what you have to sit out a

10:49

year, you'd have to apply. Yeah, you know, it's a whole

10:51

process, and now it's just like I'm going to the portal.

10:53

I mean, it's it's to put it in

10:55

context of this was the golden era

10:57

of Alabama receivers like his freshman

11:00

year, It's DeVante Smith, Jalen

11:02

Wattle, John Metchi. It

11:04

doesn't get much better than that in a college receiver

11:07

room. And then the year after that, Jamison

11:10

Williams transferred in from Ohio State, so

11:12

it was Jamison Williams and John Metchi and

11:14

he was he was probably supposed to be the third

11:17

guy in that group, but they ended

11:19

up going in a different direction at that point, and

11:21

that's when he decided to transfer after that season.

11:23

But this was in the run of Alabama receivers

11:26

that was just ridiculous every single

11:28

year. They were like a receiver factory. And

11:31

uh, and I don't necessarily blame him for the

11:33

fact that he couldn't beat out DeVante Smith,

11:35

who won the Heisman.

11:36

Trump.

11:36

Glad you got the timeline right, because I've heard

11:38

a lot of oh, he's behind Jalen Wattle and DeVante

11:41

Smith, like he went to Alabama

11:44

in June of the COVID year, And

11:47

yeah, technically, Jalen

11:49

Wattle was still there. He's a true

11:51

freshman coming. He wasn't going to play over

11:53

the starting especially not for Nick Wide. Yes,

11:56

like you're not gonna like step in, especially

11:58

in COVID. They didn't practice, they

12:00

didn't have any of the preparation that they normally would

12:02

have. And then the next year, you

12:05

know, it was John Metchi, not you

12:07

know, Jalen

12:10

Waddle. Yeah, you know, and Evan perfectly

12:13

put that. Still good players, Jamison Williams

12:15

and John Metchi, but he probably should

12:17

have been in line to get more playing

12:19

time now his red shirt

12:21

freshman year than he did then he left.

12:23

Yeah, and here's some of the comments that he had

12:25

in his press conference, and from

12:29

what we know about Bill and Nick Saban, like,

12:31

does that really strike you as the type of guy that it was

12:33

gonna win Nick Saban over unless he

12:35

was just incredibly talented. Yeah,

12:38

you know so. But I do think it's important

12:41

to put in context that the

12:43

receiver rooms that he was in at Alabama

12:45

were stacked like this is not We're not just

12:47

talking about, you know, a receiver

12:49

room like the Patriots right now, where there's all this opportunity,

12:52

you're not going to beat out a Heisman Trophy winning receiver

12:55

for targets.

12:56

So I thought it was a good weekend if

12:59

you follow it along with us on Patriots

13:01

dot com and socially, you saw some really

13:03

cool content. Drake May seeing his locker

13:05

for the first time. I thought was

13:08

was really neat, and I think he genuinely

13:10

was, you know, excited.

13:13

You know, it looks like an excited kid.

13:15

I mean, it's it's it's it.

13:16

He makes me feel old. I was like, my god, I

13:18

could be this kid's dad, but no, he's

13:21

Uh. I just I said it. Turning the shows.

13:23

I just thought it was cool. The relationship with him

13:25

and his brothers and his girlfriend and

13:27

the line of you know you're getting me, you're getting

13:30

them. That that stuck out to me. So it's just it's

13:32

real clear. I mean I think I think

13:34

he might be a little bit sheltered, you know. I think that

13:36

that he's probably he's never been out of North Carolina

13:38

and you know, he's been the little brother. So

13:41

you know, we'll see because I think what

13:44

kind of adversity has he faced. I mean, this is all He's

13:46

going to be thrown into the fire of all fires

13:48

now, oh yeah, and uh, you know it's

13:50

it's I compared to, you know, not the

13:52

player. But I remember sitting here with Mac when

13:54

Mac first came in, and it was, you know, it was pretty cool.

13:56

Like when we first drafted Mac, I was excited, and you

13:59

know, it's, uh, it's you realize

14:01

how much he had to go through from that point

14:03

on, and you know, the injuries and the

14:05

mental stuff and just every you know, it's just it's it's

14:07

a real grind. And so you know, Drake May's

14:09

twenty one, He's got a great attitude. He's got some you know,

14:11

receivers around him that I think will help

14:14

him, you know, have a good chance. I mean, we haven't

14:16

talked about Joe Milton yet. I mean that,

14:18

but I think having another rookie quarterback in there

14:20

as well is uh, you know, is in

14:22

that way is advantageous that you know they're all gonna

14:24

be able to work together and hopefully develop. But it's

14:27

just the hard times are waiting for him and he's going to have

14:29

to prepare and be ready to overcome that stuff.

14:31

I feel like he's already gone through more adversity than

14:33

Mac has, though, like Mack was, like

14:35

sure Mac was waiting behind three quarterbacks to play,

14:38

but he's he's

14:41

like Drake May has dealt with more in North Carolina, having

14:43

nothing this year, a bad offensive line, bad weapons

14:46

around him, and he's still found his way to be a number

14:48

three overall pick. Obviously not as productive

14:50

as the years his previous year, but he

14:52

played with nothing. Mac had a whole lot around.

14:54

Well, he comes in with more college yeah games

14:57

and Mac did you know for sure?

14:58

So that's yeah, he has more

15:01

football adversity, yeah, I would say than

15:03

Mac Jones. But your point about

15:05

him out of shelters

15:07

the right word. But like he's he he

15:10

is from North Carolina. He was originally

15:12

committed to Alabama, decommitted

15:14

from Alabama to stay in North Carolina

15:17

and go to UNC. And I don't, like

15:19

he said, other than to travel to

15:21

road games, he's never left the state of North

15:23

Carolina, So that that's going

15:25

to be something that will be I'm

15:27

sure for any kid like I remember,

15:29

you know, moving out to LA when I graduated

15:32

college. That's it's a culture shock, like for anybody

15:34

that age. So that will be

15:36

interesting to see. How I don't know if he's

15:38

ever really been in like true winter before.

15:41

Which I didn't hear anyone.

15:44

That's where it comes out in.

15:46

Like a parka. He's like, you don't have to dress in winter

15:48

clothes here.

15:49

That was I will say.

15:50

I feel like from a person standpoint,

15:53

a lot of people don't get out of their state

15:55

until they graduate college, just

15:57

saying like unless your family is wealthy

15:59

and can make you on vacations. Like I know a

16:01

ton of people that I went to school with that

16:04

never went anywhere until after they graduated him,

16:06

so.

16:06

Did they have to perform their job in the snow after

16:08

they graduated.

16:09

That I was

16:11

not wealthy the state.

16:13

I never I never was on a plane until

16:17

college.

16:17

Yeah, you know, like there's so many people who haven't gone anywhere.

16:20

Yeah.

16:21

Well, I mean I think it's it's just for

16:23

me. It's also just his comportment,

16:25

like he's you know, he's just not doesn't

16:27

seem like a very worldly kid, like you know, it

16:30

seems like he's known sports and

16:32

North Carolina and football, and that's

16:34

kind of it, right.

16:35

You know.

16:35

And I mean it look it's fine, Like I mean, you're right,

16:37

everybody's been like that before. But I just think when you

16:40

look at a kid who's going to go through the

16:42

kind of ups and downs that Mac had to deal with,

16:44

like that's just waiting for him. It's going to happen,

16:46

you know, you don't know how anybody's going to react to that.

16:48

Yeah, I mean Max's first year, he was coddled. He

16:51

was you know, they Josh McDaniels

16:53

took care. I mean, he wasn't. He

16:55

started right away, but I don't think he was

16:58

expected to do everything right away.

17:00

But like you look at other players too that are coming into the

17:02

NFL who transferred schools, who

17:05

had you know, didn't go great at a place, had

17:07

to you know, pick up shop and go somewhere else and

17:09

re establish themselves those kind of things. So you

17:11

know, those little things all add up for me. And and

17:13

you know, it's not a negative, it's just something

17:15

that I think he's gonna that's gonna be his biggest

17:17

area of growth. Like I always thought when

17:19

Gronk was drafted, he seems so innocent and pure,

17:22

and I was like, man, I don't want to think about like Gronk

17:24

when he's bitter and jaded and old and you

17:26

know, not that that's what Drake May is gonna be. And Gronk didn't

17:28

become that, but you know, there's gonna be grown

17:30

up Drake May who's bent out

17:32

to the woodshed and you know, had to deal with getting

17:34

his doors blown off and getting lit up and you know those

17:37

kind of things.

17:37

So let's hope that he doesn't have to deal with that, like.

17:42

Right half jokingly, but like at the same time,

17:44

you know, you use Gronk as an example. Gronk was just awesome,

17:47

like right away, and if you know,

17:49

there's something to be said for the fact that he just he

17:52

could be great and like you

17:54

know all this others, like he's obviously gonna have ups and

17:56

downs, but like if he's you know, as good

17:58

as.

17:58

He's an all time great, he'll be okay.

18:00

But that's ultimately we can

18:03

talk and we will and we're going to continue to do

18:05

it about this draft class. That's ultimately

18:07

what it's going to come down to. If Drake

18:09

Bay hits, we're gonna love this draft class.

18:12

If it doesn't, there's not a whole

18:14

lot those other guys are gonna be.

18:15

Able to do to overcome that, because the

18:17

receivers won't pop without him popping. Probably,

18:20

I mean, I don't think that they

18:22

really profile as guys that lift the quarterback

18:24

anyway. Especially Polk, I think

18:26

is sort of a guy who's just kind of solid

18:29

and steady, Like at his best, he's

18:31

like there's Jalen Polk again on third

18:33

down, you know, making a play that's high

18:36

end Jalen Polk to me, and

18:38

that's great, that's what exactly what you're looking

18:40

for. But if the quarterback

18:42

can't get him the ball, I don't think he's going to be the kind

18:44

of guy that's going to make the quarterback better

18:47

if he just can't play. So ultimately,

18:50

this is coming down to Drake May.

18:53

We mentioned Joe Milton a lot of people

18:55

kind of we're surprised that the Patriots took

18:58

him in the sixth round.

19:00

Honestly, I think it's really funny that you use

19:03

we use the pick that we got from the Jaguars

19:05

to draft a quarterback with way better

19:07

talent than Mac Jones. Obviously

19:10

he has some accuracy accuracy

19:12

issues, but great arm and unbelievable

19:14

athlete.

19:15

Yeah.

19:16

Yeah, I'm kind of torn on that one. I'll

19:19

let the boys kind of lay out the negative

19:21

part of it, but it's just, uh, Evan, I don't

19:23

want to steal your line. But it's exactly what I thought, which

19:25

was kind of felt mine Gamy

19:28

with like the Max stuff. You know, oh, we're going to take

19:30

another quarterback now, and you know what,

19:32

what what's the point? The

19:35

point?

19:35

And to be fair, like you need a better backup

19:37

than Billy's happy.

19:38

But he's but he's a developmental

19:41

player. Yeah, And I just my

19:43

whole thing is is that I know we're gonna get out

19:45

there to in the spring, in the summer and

19:48

and shorts and a T shirt. Joe Milton is going to look

19:50

just as impressive as as Drake May. The

19:52

arm, talent, the mobility, the size,

19:55

like all of it is going to be just as impressive.

19:57

And to deuce his point,

19:59

just as second ago about how does Drake May handle

20:01

it? How does Drake May handle it when

20:04

in the second half of preseason games against

20:06

Scrubs, Joe Milton is lighting it up. And

20:08

then we have people calling into our shows and stuff

20:10

like that saying, well, why don't they give Joe Milton a try?

20:12

I like, I didn't

20:15

like anything about the pick because I

20:17

just don't think he's very good, sneaky, He's not good

20:19

at football. But the

20:22

intangible stuff that Evan just introduced

20:25

is why I think I don't like it the most.

20:27

And we had a really good in depth

20:31

post on the Mailbag this week and

20:33

I sort of tried my best to sort of downplay

20:36

it, but I got to be honest, that guy made a lot of good points

20:38

about that kind of stuff, Like

20:41

if he goes out there and does a Michael

20:43

Bishop fred, how does that

20:45

impact Drake May. Michael

20:47

Bishop wasn't anything great. He just was a tremendous

20:49

athlete who ran around and did eye

20:51

popping things in preseason games that were

20:54

meaningless. And that's just

20:56

going to create sort of unwanted

20:58

controversy.

21:00

And here's what I feel

21:02

like, he needs to be mentally tough, Like if you're

21:04

going to grow out there and pee your pants because Joe Milton

21:06

has.

21:07

His parents, it's just not a good situation.

21:09

We spent three years making excuses

21:12

for Mac Jones because you didn't have the right things

21:14

around him and they ruined him. This

21:16

to me seems like you're going out of your way to

21:20

create controversy.

21:21

I don't that. I don't know, Yeah, I don't

21:23

think.

21:23

So the guy can't play.

21:25

Here's what.

21:27

Since he can't play, Drake May should

21:29

have nothing to worry about.

21:30

Period.

21:31

He doesn't matter.

21:33

It's not about that people that tried

21:35

to call us and tell us that Millie Cunningham

21:37

was the answer, They're going to see him throw one

21:40

seventy five yard pass in the first preseason

21:42

game in the fourth quarter and say that this guy

21:44

is better than the guy they d not a

21:46

tenth.

21:46

Of what Malik was.

21:48

I don't think this coach. I think the coaches will

21:50

deal with that. But but but you're.

21:52

Missing the point. People are completely missing

21:54

the point on it. It's not about who's the guy. Drake

21:58

May is the guy. It's one

22:00

hundred percent it's Drake May. But

22:02

you're creating a possibility of

22:04

having all kinds of noise

22:07

which you're supposed to work to try to avoid.

22:10

Yeah, to be honest, I think the only people making noise are

22:12

the media.

22:13

Fans.

22:14

Fans will be making noise.

22:15

I will guarantee it. In the summer, people

22:18

like you will be saying, look at the arm,

22:20

look at the athletics. People

22:22

are going to say, be

22:25

mentally tied with Drake May.

22:27

It's the noise that you're creating, just

22:29

like saying you can handle it perfect.

22:31

That's just like saying to the current wide receiver room,

22:33

they should be scared right now because of all

22:35

the people that we just drafted.

22:37

Right you need six receivers.

22:39

You don't need more than one quarter receivers

22:42

right now.

22:43

You don't need more than one quarterback. You need

22:45

all of us receivers and you

22:47

have like twelve receivers right now.

22:48

They should be they should be. We do not.

22:52

They have four receivers that are going to make the team

22:54

that we know of what happens after.

22:56

There's a lot of them on the roster.

22:57

There's a lot of scrubs on the roster

22:59

that not in the NFL.

23:01

But I I agree with Tomorrow.

23:03

I think if Drake May, if

23:05

Drake May isn't showing that he has a good arm

23:07

in his athletic then we have problems. Well,

23:10

you know, it's not about what Joe Milton. I

23:13

know I'm saying it. It's not about what Joe

23:15

Milton shows us in this summer. It's

23:17

about what Drake May shows us.

23:18

Think you take every shot you can to get players

23:20

to help your team.

23:21

But here's what I hope, Here's what I hope. I

23:24

hope happens with Joe Milton.

23:27

You know he said it's not gonna happen. I'm going

23:29

to be a tight end. Rod Mayo said, we draft

23:31

him as a quarterback. But I hope he gets

23:34

out there and it becomes very apparent he

23:36

cannot be a quarterback. And I hope

23:38

at some point he realizes that

23:40

and they have a sit down and say, hey, this

23:42

doesn't work, This isn't working out.

23:45

What do you think how about taking

23:47

some reps to tight end? What do you think?

23:49

I don't think he's his footwork

23:51

and his feet are not like they could train

23:53

him. I guess long term to be a tight end.

23:56

But I just I don't think his athleticism

23:58

translates very well to like receive. I

24:01

just I would Paul on this. I understand

24:03

that Drake may should be mentally tougher. I agree

24:05

with that point, but why test

24:08

it? Like, why do we have to test these guys mentally

24:10

all the time where they have to deal

24:12

with all this crap and it's the same thing that they

24:14

did with Mac Jones. You know, we have people

24:17

out here on Monday night football chanting

24:19

the backup quarterback's name. You

24:21

know, we have all this kind of stuff. We have people

24:24

thought that you raft.

24:24

Every one of us said, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised

24:27

if they draft a quarterback later.

24:28

And yeah quarterback, Yeah, like like Michael

24:30

Pratt who developed mental prospect.

24:32

That's not gonna like create any waves.

24:35

This is going out of your way to just have a

24:37

physical freak out there is to run around.

24:40

Okay, listen, I'm sorry.

24:42

I'm sorry that I don't have the same opinion as you want

24:44

to play. You have to get so defense

24:46

because all of a sudden, the Patriots made a pick

24:48

and three of us don't like it, and we're

24:51

like cast aside. You're about

24:56

this, okay, whatever.

24:57

You know, people have a different opinion. Now you're

25:00

like ready to like fold up like a baby. A

25:03

baby.

25:03

I didn't even think of Evans and

25:05

making fun of it. That the Molie Cunningham.

25:08

I didn't even think of that, and that that

25:10

that's my thing too. I'm with the movie coming on. Yeah,

25:18

sorry, I but.

25:19

I mean when Michael Bishop was running around, people

25:21

were screaming for Michael Bishop. It didn't affect the

25:23

quarterback. I mean it was not a big deal.

25:25

No, and I mean honestly it was the quarterback

25:27

when that happened.

25:28

I forget it doesn't Okay,

25:32

but you know, so.

25:33

What, well, it's the

25:35

same. It's the same six year

25:37

veterans.

25:37

You really think the coaches are going to be and you

25:40

know, coach, they're going to be like, oh

25:42

my god, I think the coaches care. The fans are

25:44

yelling. Fans are yelling for Joe Milton.

25:46

What are we going to do?

25:48

Why do you like? So?

25:50

What if they drafted Spencer Rattler instead

25:53

of Joe Milton would be the same

25:55

thing.

25:55

If he came out and was lighting it up game,

25:58

people would be saying, oh, look at.

26:00

Because that because the thing is is

26:02

like Joe Milton has physical

26:04

traits. That again, I'm

26:06

not talking about the people sitting at this table right now, I promise

26:09

actually.

26:09

A good one.

26:09

How about Sam Hartman?

26:10

Would that be a no? Because Sam?

26:12

No, Yeah, you could drave Sam Hartman, I said Michael

26:14

Pratt. Michael Pratt is like Bailey's Appy,

26:17

right, Like it's going to be clear to everybody

26:19

that Drake May is more physically

26:22

talented than Michael Pratt.

26:24

The problem that I don't.

26:25

Want to be clear that he's physically better.

26:26

Than not to the casuals.

26:28

No, but it's like

26:30

MALIEK.

26:30

Cunningham.

26:31

MALIEK.

26:31

Cunningham ran like the wind and we heard three straight

26:33

months of put in, Malik put in.

26:35

I'm not worried about people in this building not

26:38

realizing that Drake May is better than Joe Milton.

26:41

I'm worried about people that don't have the

26:43

football knowledge that Gerrod Mayo has

26:45

looking at it and saying, this guy can throw

26:47

it seventy five yards and that guy can throw

26:49

it seventy five yards.

26:50

What's the difference. And you think that's going to affect

26:52

Drake may No, I

26:54

hope not. But that's all we care about that. I

26:56

hope not.

26:58

It did affect the last quarterback.

26:59

If it doesn't, If then who cares what

27:01

the fans are saying? As long as

27:03

in that in that room.

27:04

When the when the Patriots drafted Jimmy Garoppolo

27:07

and affected that guy, And yeah,

27:09

he used it as motivation, but

27:12

not everybody is wired that way.

27:14

Especially especially

27:18

picked the wrong guy.

27:20

Everybody all that. So

27:22

many of these kids are like that. Now though, that's

27:24

the problem. That's the problem,

27:27

like that that that's this generation.

27:30

Like that's what it is

27:32

like. You know a lot of in all sports,

27:35

you know, they they're the man that

27:37

this is my territory. And when

27:39

you you tell me differently, a lot of these

27:41

guys pout that's just the way it is.

27:44

Well, I mean, right now, it's

27:46

not his territory. He's gonna have to earn this job

27:48

by what he does on the field, and

27:51

if it's not apparent, and

27:53

again the subtleties are going to be lost on

27:55

the casual fan. I agree with that, right,

27:58

but we're hoping that this is a competent

28:00

coaching staff and they will realize

28:03

the difference between Drake May and

28:05

Joe Milton.

28:06

The coaches, I have no doubt, are going to recognize

28:09

that.

28:09

Well and and and Drake

28:11

May will understand that he's doing things

28:13

better than Joe Milton should

28:16

know that, and

28:18

that's it.

28:19

I'm not, honestly, I'm not even that worried,

28:21

that worried about the football of it all. It's honestly

28:23

just I don't want to deal with four months. You don't

28:26

have to call like we had with Malik Cunningham,

28:28

and I'm like, I can't even talk to you guys right now.

28:30

I think that's fun. Who cares,

28:33

it's let them say what they say.

28:36

I never once wanted Malik to start over.

28:38

No one, no one, no

28:40

one actually did know.

28:42

But there were plenty of people. How much did we talk about Malie

28:44

Cunningham.

28:44

On every time I wrote

28:47

about Malik Cunningham and the post would blow up for

28:49

no reason, like, oh, they elevated him

28:51

from the practice squad. He didn't even play in the game,

28:53

but they elevated him and everybody read about

28:55

it like it's just I understand

28:58

that it's all not gonna matter, and six months

29:01

from now, we're gonna really Like remember when we argued

29:03

for like thirty minutes about Joe Milton and

29:05

Drake May and all this stuff.

29:06

I get all that.

29:08

I just am telling you that there are people

29:10

outside this room that cover this team

29:12

that are not gonna know the difference between the

29:14

two guys, and that is concerning

29:17

to me.

29:17

But but I mean, how many I

29:20

don't know why you're so wrapped up about

29:22

what fans understand and what they don't. It's up to me

29:24

because it creates That's why you're here because

29:26

it

29:27

because it.

29:28

Creates how bad outside noise.

29:31

It just creates the outside noise, and we just watched

29:33

it happen with Mac Jones.

29:34

But it's I don't think there's anything you

29:36

can do about that. There's always going to be someone

29:39

that the fans are clamoring for, whether it's Malie

29:41

Cunningham or Michael Bishop or

29:43

whoever. It's the you know, you know, the

29:45

next shiny little toy. I

29:47

remember when Michael Bishop, who was the receiver

29:50

from Brown. That was Oh

29:53

god, yeah, what

29:55

was Sean Moore? Oh, Sean

29:57

Moore is gonna be the next big thing.

29:59

It's like, come on, well, I think too part

30:01

of it.

30:01

You want to be excited about Drake May and you don't all

30:03

of a sudden have two camps that are going to emerge

30:05

of you know, the team Milton who.

30:08

See it now?

30:09

Day one of Patriots Mini camp

30:11

here in June and Joe Milton threw

30:13

the ball better than Drake May. I'm telling you, Mike,

30:16

like, I just can see it now.

30:17

Put him in.

30:18

I don't know what's the problem May struggling,

30:20

Mike.

30:22

It will happen. I'm sure that

30:24

will happen.

30:25

Yeah, yeah, wow. I

30:27

mean now they got something else to figure out how to manage too

30:29

with you know, just we talked about when we may get

30:31

in there. I mean, you know, it's it's just another body

30:34

in there. I mean, I do think right now because

30:36

five receivers, right yeah, I mean I think it

30:38

affects Bailey ZAPPI probably more than anybody because

30:40

I thought, you know, it seemed like Billy get

30:43

traded.

30:43

Those the rumors, like rap Sheet

30:45

said after they took Joe Milton that they've

30:47

been trying to shop Bailey Zappy and he's available

30:50

in the trade.

30:51

Interesting, yeah, yeah, so

30:53

all right, good stuff, good

30:56

stuff, webs.

30:57

Just can I just throw one last thing out here, yes,

30:59

Paul. So if let's

31:02

just say, disaster strikes and

31:04

this negatively impacts Drake

31:07

May and

31:09

you stuck without a quarterback.

31:11

So make May is playing but he's

31:13

not playing well and.

31:14

Yeah, and then and the mentality is like Mac,

31:16

well, well they didn't do anything to support them, and they

31:19

they failed them, you know, they ruined them, And

31:22

that's the that's the narrative. Say this

31:25

time in two years they ruined

31:27

them. We're not allowed to say.

31:29

That by drafting Joe Milton.

31:30

We're not allowed to say. Yeah, we're not allowed to say it.

31:32

Though, well I think that would be incorrect.

31:35

But but you didn't see it. No,

31:37

But if it's a hypothetic, if that's what ruined

31:39

him, that this is a complete hypothetical, it's

31:42

incorrect, I know.

31:43

But like I'm sure like in three years,

31:45

if Drake May is a bust,

31:47

there's going to be more reasons than they drafted

31:50

Joe Milton.

31:51

Right, were there more reasons mac Jones was a bust

31:53

other than they hired Matt Patricia for the offensive

31:55

coordinator. Yeah, is that the reason why people think

31:57

that.

31:57

They ruined him. Yeah, that's one of the reason.

32:00

Yeah, you know, but you're not allowed to say

32:02

that. That's a lot different than drafting. I

32:05

don't hear you say it's it's not even

32:07

apples to apples.

32:07

So don't don't ever say it.

32:09

Then, No, it's not even a fair

32:11

comparison.

32:11

So don't say it. Don't don't

32:14

change your mind.

32:14

Okay, I won't. I probably

32:17

won't want.

32:17

No one's allowed to say that. Okay, we broke

32:19

all the rules here, Paul, you disagree, we

32:21

disagree with the Patriots moved.

32:23

You're allowed to broke the rules. You're allowed to say whatever

32:25

you want, and everyone's allowed

32:27

to.

32:27

If I do that, I'm just being a baby. So I'm

32:29

not going to do that.

32:30

Yeah, when you when you start saying, well, I can't say what

32:32

when you act like a baby, I

32:35

mean.

32:35

You have to pander you You can't say

32:37

what you want to say.

32:39

What's pandering by saying

32:41

my opinion? I'm pandering?

32:43

Ye?

32:43

Okay, all right, yep, yeah,

32:47

yeah, So so I will check

32:49

it at the door next time. Okay, I'll be all on board,

32:51

baby Patriots filtered from

32:54

now on.

32:54

Okay, Paul, you don't

32:56

have to filter it, but you have to be a

32:58

big boy when someone pushes back. That's

33:01

all. That's all I'm saying.

33:03

All right, you're the arbiter of justice.

33:05

Yes I am. It's my show. Eight five to

33:07

five. Pass five hundred is the hotline,

33:11

web radio pages dot com is

33:13

the email address.

33:14

Totally pathetic.

33:15

Oh, he just won't stop, He

33:17

just won't stop. Joe Milton, Yeah,

33:20

Joe Milton.

33:23

You couldn't have an opinion on draft picks. I

33:26

thought that we were supposed to give that.

33:28

Well what I was wrong? Why can't you give

33:30

your opinion?

33:31

Because I'm mocked for it? All

33:34

you do is laugh?

33:35

Yeah, okay, all right, you did? All

33:37

right?

33:38

Call me names.

33:38

I disagree, mocking, yeah, mocking. Not because

33:40

of your opinion.

33:42

Well that's the way I took it. I

33:44

dissented.

33:45

I'm sorry, Paul.

33:47

That'd be audacity to not agree. Yeah,

33:49

and and sorry, Yeah, I won't let it happen.

33:52

This is what you're being mocked for, Paul, this

33:54

attitude. You can have a different

33:57

opinion, but like not the way I see it. When someone

33:59

disagrees, then again, I.

34:01

Don't see it the way you do, so I'm automatically

34:03

wrong. I don't see it that way.

34:05

You're not wrong, no one, no one's wrong. It's

34:08

just like I don't know why you have to like

34:10

act that way, like everyone's

34:12

at acting.

34:13

Like I'm acting anyway. Okay, all right,

34:15

but I don't just I don't agree with you. So

34:18

it's not the same way. That's the way you

34:20

see it has to be the way we see it.

34:23

Well, I see it. I shouldn't put what.

34:25

I don't understand why two people can't have different

34:27

opinions. I don't either, you know, So

34:30

as soon as I push back, you act like a baby.

34:32

That's what I'm saying.

34:34

Enough for pushing back, for the mocking,

34:36

the laughing, like how could you even

34:39

think that?

34:39

Well?

34:39

So what so

34:42

what what I mean?

34:44

You know, I believe me. I told you I

34:46

will try to just conform.

34:49

Okay, now on I'll try not to

34:52

have my thoughts aired.

34:54

Okay, what about Kaden Wallace? Yeah,

34:56

I was gonna move on to Christian Barmore because

34:59

you know, I think I think we

35:01

might be all in agreement. That was a good move by

35:03

the Patriots.

35:04

It was a good move for the Patriots. Yeah, yeah,

35:06

sure, I mean long needed and you know

35:08

Dougger him.

35:09

Yeah, and when you Jennings, now,

35:12

I was a little surprised, and you know that

35:15

only about half of it was guaranteed, because

35:17

in today's day and age, like a

35:19

lot of these deals like seventy five percent

35:22

are being guaranteed. But I think it's a

35:24

good lesson when you have a guy like that,

35:27

do it early, as early as you can do it a year

35:29

early. Don't wait, you know, get

35:31

that thing done.

35:33

That's I mean, that's that's the whole thing. I

35:35

mean, why you know, why wasn't Dougger done last year?

35:37

You know, it's the same same kind of thing, you

35:39

know.

35:41

I just I think to me, it's just it's

35:44

two different ways. And I always

35:46

feel like we come or I come across it, and I want to speak

35:48

for you guys, like it's always Bill's ray was

35:50

always wrong, which might not be the case

35:52

right or it wasn't always the case. But

35:55

Bill would have drafted Christian Barmore's

35:57

replacement this year. He

36:00

would have used a premium pick on a defensive

36:02

tackle, and he would have said in a

36:04

year from now, he's gonna train under

36:06

Christian Barmore for a year and a year

36:08

from now, we're gonna let Barmore walk for the

36:10

third round compick and this guy's gonna

36:13

take his place, and we're not going to miss a beat. And

36:15

he would have done the same thing. He did the same thing. He drafted

36:17

Marty Mapu to replace Kyle Dugger.

36:19

He did the same thing with Kyle Dugger.

36:22

And I think the bigger thing that you see

36:24

with that is one, it's not that the

36:27

next player is not always as good, which

36:29

is I think the situation they got into the last

36:31

couple of years. And two Thenett,

36:35

you don't use that asset on other holes. So

36:37

now you're drafting a defensive tackle in the second

36:39

round and you're not drafting Jalen Polk. So

36:42

it just has a dominant effect. Now in

36:44

the long run about the individual player,

36:47

maybe Bill will end up would have ended up being right.

36:50

Maybe Kyle Duger this is as good as he's

36:52

gonna get. And maybe you know, the

36:54

contract in a year from now is gonna look

36:56

terrible, and Bill would have been right in terms

36:59

of the individual player. But it's

37:01

all you know, there's a lot more of a web there

37:03

than just what effect it has on that one

37:05

player. Last year, they drafted everybody's

37:07

replacements, that's what they did.

37:09

And you can't just do that every year. I mean, that's just you fall

37:11

out of the cycle. You only have maybe at nine to

37:13

ten draft picks a year. You can't just continue,

37:16

excuse me, to recycle things. And that's the

37:18

problem. They weren't enough of those guys. There weren't enough extensions

37:21

they got. You know, they lost their way, especially

37:23

on the offensive side of the ball, and then it seemed like they just

37:25

started running this like we'll just replace them on defense

37:27

kind of thing. So I think it's a good move

37:29

for Barmore. I mean, you know, four years extension, he's

37:32

here for a while. I mean I still think, you know,

37:34

not to get ahead of ourselves, but defense

37:36

is going to need to be rebuilt.

37:38

Oh yeah. I mean everyone's assuming that the

37:40

defense is going to be just pick up

37:42

where it left off. Last year.

37:43

Well, I mean this year maybe, I mean this year maybe, I mean

37:45

they'll get they'll get some guys back, and I mean, but

37:48

you know, next year, it's it's Godshaw Wise,

37:51

you know, Bentley, all those guys are out next year,

37:53

so you know, they're, yeah, it was good to get

37:55

Barmore. So you have one piece up front.

37:57

That I also like that when you exert this much

38:00

energy and you promote draft and develop

38:02

guys, it's like you aren't that much energy developing

38:04

bar More into what he is today. Like why would you let him

38:07

walk out the door and let someone else like profit.

38:09

Off of that.

38:09

That's a hard thing too, Like guys like Toney, you know, it's

38:11

just guys that you drafted, you developed. You know, they're

38:14

good players, and it's you.

38:16

Know, he would have done the same thing with Mike on Wenhu,

38:19

Like they drafted Citisow to replace

38:21

Mike on Weho.

38:22

Yeah, they just never drafted anybody to replace Gronk

38:25

or Edelman, and they.

38:27

Just drafted bad players.

38:28

Like and plus, you know, when you compare

38:31

the drafts when Brady was here to drafts

38:33

that it's not a fair comparison, you

38:35

know, because you could take chances with Brady and

38:37

screw up and you'd still win twelve

38:39

games, you know, and so you didn't notice

38:42

it as much. Plus you had a foundation

38:44

of like good players. I think now the

38:46

foundation is bar More, you know, the

38:49

hopefully the foundation is dugger and

38:52

guys like that you need to

38:54

keep those guys were in the past. You

38:56

know, maybe you didn't have to do that. Maybe

38:59

you drafted guys that were replacements

39:01

so that you could keep that salary down and

39:04

you know, spend it on Tom Brady or whatever.

39:06

But you know, it's

39:09

it's not fair to compare the post Brady

39:12

drafts to Bratt drafts that you had with

39:14

Brady.

39:14

I agree, because there's a talent level that you didn't necessarily

39:17

need to have when Brady was here. Right now, I

39:19

love the Barmore resigning

39:22

and I'm not necessarily sure

39:24

that it's not one that Bill would have mait. It's like Michael

39:27

and you, they wouldn't have done that. Well, they just did it with Jack

39:29

Mason five years ago, Like they drafted

39:32

a guard that really hit and they gave him

39:34

a big time extension. Now they

39:36

pulled the plug in the middle of the extension. But that's

39:39

different, Like they did give him a second

39:41

contract. And I think there

39:43

are other guys that he feels

39:46

like. I think we have no way of knowing

39:48

this, but I think he may have felt Barmel was different

39:50

because Barbera was special as opposed

39:53

to maybe to Evan's point about Dugger

39:55

and Mapu. Maybe he just feels like Douger is just

39:57

another guy, and maybe he wouldn't

39:59

have got that could be, you know what I mean, I'd

40:02

listen to that argument. You know, And we have no way of

40:04

knowing for sure because Bill's not here anymore

40:06

obviously, But I think he might have treated

40:08

Barmore a little bit.

40:09

I think I do too.

40:10

I mean, and I don't think he broke the bank either. I think

40:12

that was a really team friendly deal.

40:14

Yeah.

40:14

No, I think that's a good point, Paul. That's what I mean. That

40:16

that's been the hard thing is like I don't

40:19

really nextinarily. I mean, there was a time last year when I was saying,

40:21

like and when you I mean, he's good, but I

40:23

don't, I mean, Duggar, he's good. But but

40:25

Barmore, You're right, like maybe he would.

40:27

And I think the state of the offensive line would have led

40:29

to an extension because

40:31

I feel like he might have looked at it and said, we got to somebody

40:34

gotta have somebody to bank or this thing. David

40:36

Andrews is going to be around forever. Yeah.

40:38

I just want to let everyone know coming up at around

40:40

one o'clock. We're going to be joined by Field

40:42

Yates from ESPN. Obviously,

40:45

he was a NonStop

40:47

on ESPN on TV over the weekend

40:50

with draft and you know he's dived

40:54

as deep into the draft as anyone over

40:56

there. So we'll get his opinion. He's got his

40:58

new England roots.

40:59

We talk to him at the combarm.

41:00

Yeah, always interested to see what the

41:03

Patriots are doing and hear from him from

41:05

his perspective. So we'll do that around one

41:07

o'clock or so. So that's

41:09

that'll be. That'll be fun. You guys have your

41:11

questions ready for him.

41:13

Yes, I have one question for him.

41:15

You do nothing? How did you

41:17

get in the business.

41:19

We've talked about that before though.

41:21

Okay, all right, can we get Mina

41:23

Chimes.

41:24

I've tried to get Mina Chimes. She's

41:26

a tough get, is that right. She's a busy gal for

41:29

Taylor Kyles. That's true, that's

41:31

true, and I hold out against her.

41:34

Maybe you need to work on your DM game.

41:37

I don't think Jess would like that they've got a DM game. Being

41:39

bad is a good thing.

41:40

Yeah all right, Yeah,

41:42

so that's that's good news. Christian Barmore

41:45

locked up. Now, you

41:48

know, I think in terms of like

41:50

his potential and

41:52

you compare it to Dougger, he's bar

41:55

more special. I think, Yeah, Dougger's good

41:58

by I ain't bar more special. I hope

42:00

that now that he's got his bag, that

42:02

he keeps up that you know,

42:05

energy that he's shown the last couple of years.

42:08

He doesn't know any other way, Fred, I mean, you just talked to him,

42:10

just stand at his locker and he's just can't He's got

42:12

a move. He is just that kind of guy.

42:13

So he seems to really love football too.

42:15

I've had a lot of conversations with him

42:18

about like technique, like real football minutia

42:20

type of stuff, and he's he's

42:22

a craftsman, like he works on it like you

42:25

can tell. And I think he really really likes

42:27

DeMarcus Covington a lot.

42:29

So whatever the knock on him coming out of Alabama

42:31

was, it seems that that's gone away.

42:33

Oh boy. Yeah, remember Warren Sap. Warren Sap had

42:35

a whole thing of like I wouldn't draft this guy

42:37

with a ten foot poll Yeah that makes sense.

42:39

But yeah, I think,

42:41

you know, defensively, I was looking around

42:43

at some of the the other depth

42:46

charts on our lads and things like that.

42:48

And honestly, if Christian Gonzales

42:50

and is as good as he was for the month that he

42:53

was healthy last year, the Patriots defense

42:55

is as good as anybody on paper, you know, just

42:57

in terms of how deep they are, and you really think

42:59

so yeah, I really think so yeah. I mean

43:01

they have assuming Judoon

43:04

comes back and is on this team. You

43:06

know, Judan, Barmore, Gonzales

43:09

are potentially three Pro Bowl caliber

43:11

players.

43:11

Are you factoring in the loss of one Bill

43:14

Belichick?

43:15

Maybe not as much as you but yeah,

43:18

I mean, like obviously that's gonna have a game plan

43:20

impact on them. I'm more talking about from like

43:22

a talent personnel standpoint, yeah,

43:25

because they still have a lot of like those lunch payal

43:27

Belichick guys to to supplement

43:29

the star players, you know, to Vibe Bentley,

43:32

Dietrich Wise, you know those types of guys

43:34

too. So it's not just the high end

43:36

talent like maybe other teams. You could argue

43:38

you have a little bit more of that, like you know, elite,

43:41

elite, blue chip talent. But if Barmore continues

43:43

to ascend and Gonzalez is as good as he was last

43:46

year when he was healthy. Then I mean

43:48

I take the Patriots defense.

43:49

Yeah, yeah, me too. I mean I think you know, we had

43:52

we did a video yesterday just some of the interesting stuff. It

43:54

is like some of the positions they maybe didn't necessarily address.

43:56

It kind of puts a spotlight a little bit

43:58

on you know, like a mop who didn't draft

44:00

the free safety type. We kind of talked about Kevin

44:03

Harris on the offensive side of the ball, you know,

44:05

didn't really draft a running back, so you

44:08

know, and I think Isaiah Bolden and this Marcellus

44:10

Dial, I'm really interested to see them because

44:12

I think we all, you know, kind of feel like they could use

44:14

another corner like in the mix and.

44:17

Yeah, them and Alex Austin, you

44:19

know, add those If they can get an outside

44:21

corner that can play some snaps out of those three

44:24

guys, then.

44:26

Inst to keep an eye on shoulder

44:29

shoulder.

44:29

Gonzales torn Labor feel

44:31

so as.

44:32

Long as it wasn't those hips the hipstone

44:34

live hips don't live, no, And you

44:36

know, in all seriousness, the thing I

44:38

loved about Gonzales is, you

44:41

know, like Malcolm Butler was feisty, He

44:43

was a competitor and he you know he but

44:46

Gonzalez is an athlete, like he does

44:48

it with with talent, Stean Gilmore

44:50

like he yeah, Stefan Gilmore

44:53

or dare I say Tylaw? Like he

44:55

stays with a guy because of his talent, not

44:57

because of his feistiness. You know, he's

45:00

able to mirror a guy. And to me, that's

45:02

I've always thought that's a rare skill in

45:04

the NFL. Like to be able to be that

45:07

kind of mirror corner in this league

45:09

is it's a rare commodity.

45:11

And when you get one of those guys, you don't let

45:13

him go.

45:14

It's recovery too. I mean I remember in those couple of games. That's

45:16

what stood out to me was just even when he was kind

45:18

of taking a half false step, like he's good

45:20

enough that he can recover from that stuff. So very

45:23

excited. I mean there's a lot to I mean, Andy

45:25

was saying that he's excited. You know, I tweeted out, I'm

45:28

like Jesus, how things have changed. I

45:30

mean, but I think he's right. You know, there's a lot there's

45:32

some talent coming back, guys that were good.

45:34

And then I mean, you just you've got a whole bunch of new offensive

45:36

pieces that it's gonna be fun to just get out there,

45:38

see what they look like, see what they move like. And I'm

45:41

just excited to see what Joel Milton looks like.

45:46

Yeah, with Gonzo, his

45:49

speed is I'm just going

45:51

to for I'm

45:53

just right over that his

45:56

speed in a straight line, like, I mean,

45:59

he ran a four to three, so it's obviously there. But

46:01

he plays to the four to three dial, no

46:03

Gonzales. Yeah, it dialed though it

46:05

ran like in the mid four force. It

46:08

has some length and some ball skills.

46:10

So you had thirty one pass breakups

46:12

in college, you know, which is a pretty big number for a college

46:14

corner So there's some there's some talent

46:17

there in terms of finding the ball, like their typical type

46:19

of guy that can play man and find the football

46:21

and do that kind of thing.

46:23

I'd say that's that's like a thing to watch for

46:25

me. You know this summer is who can a third

46:27

cornerback kind of emerge? And you know, I

46:29

still have a cornerback. Yeah he's still

46:32

there, but I still think there's questions in the slot. I mean,

46:34

you know, we can Marcus Jones stay healthy? Can he

46:36

play the slot full time. I mean, so I definitely

46:39

think. I mean, but as Evan pointed out on our

46:41

little video shoot, maybe somebody like

46:43

Gilmore or you know, that kind of addition could

46:45

still possibly happen.

46:46

Now, Yeah, if you get the third corner, if

46:48

you have an outside corner that can play a

46:51

lot and you know, let's call it sixty

46:54

five percent of the snaps that you feel really good about,

46:56

and you have Jonathan Jones more back inside

46:58

to Nickel like, then I think that's

47:01

probably their best combination. Nothing against

47:03

Marcus Jones, but I think that's probably their

47:05

best combination. Is if in Alex

47:08

Austin, Isaiah Olden dial someone like that

47:10

emerges as the Jason mccorthy type, and

47:12

then that allows Jones to case.

47:17

I'd love to go back to where when we were

47:19

like a man team on defense, you

47:21

know, not have to do zone play like a man.

47:23

No, but like you know, the more you can put

47:26

one on one coverage, the more it frees up your

47:28

defense to do other things. And you

47:30

know, I loved if Gilmore, you

47:32

know, someone of that ilk came into.

47:36

Not as much anymore.

47:37

In yeah, you lose the compic

47:40

formula situation too, not that that matters

47:42

for the Patriots, but it matters for for a lot of

47:44

teams, So that could maybe make

47:46

it a little bit more money.

47:48

Was he being asked to be number one in Carolina?

47:50

Where when he got.

47:51

Traded down there?

47:52

But he got traded after Diggs got hurt?

47:54

He was there number one? Are you talking about Carolina?

47:56

Dallas?

47:57

His last stop was Dallas, y Yeah, so

47:59

he wasn't the number one and down I know that. Yeah,

48:01

Okay, all right, all right,

48:04

Well, well.

48:05

At this point I would say that he's probably not going

48:07

to sign until camp, Yeah, because he would

48:09

he would have signed initially if he got like

48:12

maybe years in money, But

48:14

now that he's not going to get that, he's

48:17

probably like, yeah, I don't

48:19

want to hear any of the spring crap right in camp

48:21

if he's looking for that one year reset coming back

48:23

here where he knows the system and it's

48:26

a pretty good defense around him and he knows Gerrod,

48:28

Like I could see that him thinking, well, that's

48:30

probably where.

48:31

It's not bills off season anymore. It's it's.

48:34

Yeah.

48:35

My initial impression would be there's no chance,

48:37

But because of Gerard, I think there

48:39

is a chance. I think he would you

48:42

know, depending on his relationship with Mayo, how

48:44

he felt about Mayo, I do

48:46

I don't even see him doing it. The bigger question is

48:48

not going to get money. I just would think that he would

48:51

rather go to a contender.

48:52

The bigger question, just for me, outside of specifically

48:54

to Gilmore, is just you know what guys on the roster

48:57

that are younger, that haven't really gotten a chance yet,

48:59

maybe like a map does this administration

49:01

look at and see, let's get we want

49:03

to get this guy involved. We want you know, they've they've talked

49:05

a lot about that, drafting guys, allowing

49:08

the coaches to work with them, allowing them to play. So

49:11

you know that's that's in the Kevin Harris like is you

49:13

know, do they see him and say, man, if

49:15

he wasn't behind Ezekiel Elliot last year, he could

49:17

have really gotten a chance.

49:18

I don't know.

49:18

I mean, I don't really feel passionate about

49:20

any of those guys. I mean, to be honest, I'm

49:22

curious about Mapa though.

49:24

What about on White?

49:26

Like I feel like, yeah, White is one of those guys

49:28

that you just drafted him in the second round, Like you should

49:31

hope to think that, you know, we keep talking about

49:33

edge rusher to jump, Well, there's

49:35

your edge rusher.

49:36

Does he kind of play in the guy role? Do

49:38

they move him more to more hand down

49:40

defensive end kind of thing? And and kind of quit

49:43

it with the with the standing up or is armand

49:45

Watson there? And ke On White continues,

49:48

I don't think if him as an edge us I don't. I think of him

49:50

as a guy down.

49:52

Yeah, you know, I think that's where he's been his best

49:54

wer. Yeah, but I wonder if

49:56

you know, he comes in a little lighter,

49:59

you know, and like you say him, why don't you drop

50:01

ten pounds of you know whatever?

50:03

And you can sell me on it with the outside linebacker

50:05

depth because there's really nobody. So if you if you want

50:07

to come back and tell me Cam White's going to be a pure outside

50:10

linebacker this year, like.

50:11

Because I just don't think that he's like a block eating

50:13

three four end. No, No, he's I think that's

50:15

what Bill wanted him to do last year. I

50:17

mean in camp, you remember how many times he would be out

50:19

there and it just didn't seem like it.

50:21

I just think he's too small for that. Like I think

50:23

that you know, his his strains are obviously

50:26

like his first step in his athleticism, and I

50:29

think he's a little bit too clunky to play up on

50:31

his feet. But if you had him lose some weight and

50:33

maybe go about it a little bit differently

50:35

where it's like we're trying to thin out a little bit, then

50:38

maybe he could he could.

50:39

Do it a little bit better.

50:40

Yeah, that's a good one.

50:41

Yeah, all right. Eight five five PATS

50:43

five hundred is the Aceticket hotline web radio

50:45

at patries dot com is the email address Carries

50:48

in New Hampshire. What's up? Carry? Hey?

50:52

Carry?

50:52

Hello, Hey, Hey, Okay,

50:57

I wanted to tell you guy, you've taught me most

50:59

of what I know about football.

51:01

I'm sorry you don't know anything.

51:03

Long time listener, but

51:05

I do have to tell you I don't normally

51:08

listen live today.

51:12

I just need to tell Paul

51:15

and Fred to take a deep breath because we

51:17

don't want to listen to that.

51:18

On this Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry

51:20

too.

51:21

Much, arguing, too much arguing.

51:24

Anyway, that being

51:26

said, I'm excited about

51:28

what's coming this year and continue

51:32

to listen. You guys are the only ones I listen

51:35

to and thank you for teaching

51:37

me everything.

51:38

That I know. Okay, well, what makes you excited

51:40

before you go anything? In particular?

51:45

You said you're excited about it.

51:46

Just to change, I think, just to change

51:49

everywhere from the top down.

51:52

Okay, new start.

51:54

You know, I mean, you know they're not going

51:56

to hit on every

51:58

single one of these picks. And I'm

52:01

okay with that.

52:02

Yeah, good because they won't.

52:06

Just wait and see how it all all right?

52:09

Thanks Carrie, Carrie New Hampshire not happy

52:11

with the arguing. Yeah, okay,

52:14

this is an argument free zone.

52:15

She wants no, that's

52:18

what we will get.

52:20

Mike and Bell. Rica writes in starting

52:22

up by saying, I love this draft. Drake was

52:24

my guy. I got to meet him in Detroit and

52:27

I'm thrilled we got him. My only issue

52:29

is this felt like the same as

52:31

always, albeit with more offense.

52:34

We moved off the consensus guy of Mitchell.

52:36

I know, I know he has

52:38

diabetes. He's a monster.

52:41

Why can't he go drunk

52:43

driving?

52:44

Like?

52:44

Well? Come? Then

52:46

we reached on day three projected right

52:48

tackle who we have to play out

52:50

of position because of a whole we decided

52:53

to not seriously fill at previous opportunities.

52:56

I like Poke and I really love Baker

52:59

and I hope takes the position change

53:01

well. But this didn't seem like we drafted

53:03

all two differently than when we had

53:05

Bill. What am I missing?

53:06

Really?

53:07

We drafted two receivers in all offense.

53:10

Like literally, I feel like it would have been maybe

53:13

four defensive players in three offense or maybe

53:15

four, maybe five and two.

53:16

I mean, I think like he's

53:19

recognizing that we went offense, but I

53:21

think I think the style is what he's

53:23

talking about.

53:24

Like maybe, yeah, I guess I could hear that

53:27

with the email.

53:28

I don't know.

53:28

I feel like when you draft seven of eight offensive

53:31

players, that is something that hell would

53:33

freeze over before Bill Belichick did that.

53:35

No, but but it's it's not it's

53:37

not the fact that they did offense. Its

53:39

defense. It's it's the quality

53:42

or you know, players that they could have had

53:44

verus who they took.

53:45

But to you or to the email, that's

53:48

what That's the point.

53:49

Yeah, And I just I'm

53:51

I ranked these players as much as anybody,

53:53

but like it's just my opinion, you

53:56

know, And like when I see these draft grades and stuff

53:58

like that, I'm like, Okay, so you're going

54:00

off of your pre draft opinion

54:02

of these players. Which is all you can do. But

54:04

what if you're wrong?

54:05

Yeah, well you got to remember we're drafting

54:08

at the top of every round for the most part,

54:10

rather than middle or bottom,

54:13

so that that changes who you have an

54:15

opportunity to get.

54:16

You know.

54:17

Also, I think, for whatever reason we still haven't

54:19

heard yet, but Adie Mitchell, a lot of teams

54:21

kept passing.

54:22

People passed up so like the.

54:24

Bills could have taken him, the Chiefs could have taken him

54:26

like they didn't. So I think

54:28

it's clearly a reason that all those teams

54:30

skipped him.

54:31

Into the state and he could end up being the best of the

54:33

bunch. You never know.

54:34

Yeah, George

54:38

hung over our head for all eternity, could

54:41

have had AJ Brown.

54:42

I know, I know.

54:43

That's my that's my biggest fear

54:45

about this draft is you really have I

54:48

take Adie Mitchell out of it because he wasn't on their board,

54:50

like they passed on him multiple times. He wasn't

54:52

there, like he wasn't going to be a Patriot.

54:54

But Xavierly get Lad McConkie,

54:57

Troy Franklin. If they looked at those three

54:59

guys versus the two guys they actually did

55:01

draft, that's gonna be three

55:04

years from now if it's gonna be George Pickens

55:06

Taekwon Thornton all over again.

55:07

Like, do you think they viewed

55:10

Lad McConkie though, was too similar to Pop Douglas

55:12

Like.

55:13

No, I mean maybe, but I think they're

55:15

different, very different players. Like Lad mcconkee

55:17

is a is a deep threat, like he's

55:19

just he's a you want to small

55:21

guys. I think it was more about the size

55:24

in the play strength, yeah, than necessarily

55:27

stylistically. But you know, Lad mccakie

55:29

is one hundred and eighty six pounds.

55:31

You know, that's what Baker

55:34

are both like six to one and change and over

55:36

two hundred pounds. I mean they're both pretty thick

55:39

dudes that you know.

55:40

How much does Pop Way.

55:44

Like one hundred and eighty pounds, Yeah.

55:47

Similar to yes,

55:49

less I think best Maybe Pop Pop

55:52

small too, Yeah, Pops short, but.

55:55

It's a good compliment to the other. Two guys talked

55:57

about inside outside and outside and an

55:59

inside.

55:59

That's one thing I've thought about it is just in

56:01

talking about these receivers and stuff like that. You know,

56:04

everybody's like, well they don't have anybody with any real

56:06

speed. Well they have Pop Douglas.

56:08

Like Pop Pop Douglas is a fast guy.

56:11

Like even down the field, he's a fast

56:13

guy. I mean, we saw it last year that

56:15

he's got legit game speed. So

56:18

I know everybody's well, maybe this is finally

56:20

taekwon Thornton's chance.

56:21

Like no, no, and

56:24

to that point, that's that's a

56:26

can can Javon Baker get off the

56:28

line? You know, like that's a big question for

56:30

me. How does he look against you know, going up against

56:33

Gonzales in practice when we see these guys

56:35

like.

56:36

Straightjack fair match.

56:38

When Drake May finally becomes the starting

56:40

quarterback, who will be his binkie

56:43

out of this group?

56:45

Yeah, Jaylen Polk. I mean, and I think Pop

56:47

Pop would have a level of that too.

56:48

I would hope, you know, just with his you know about

56:52

not signing guys to Mario,

56:54

Douglas is a guy that Bill wouldn't give a second contract.

56:56

Oh yeah, oh yeah, like I six

56:58

rounder every where I created

57:01

him. Now someone's going to overpay him

57:03

quote but you know, overpay him. We

57:05

got the best years out of him.

57:07

They'll let him go.

57:07

I was gonna say, like, I just why do if

57:09

you pour so much into that and he becomes

57:12

good, why would you let him walk?

57:13

And he'll think that the first

57:15

four years will be the best four years of

57:17

his career and he's going to go down.

57:19

Yeah at that size, that skill set.

57:21

Yeah, they let on, right,

57:24

they let it on.

57:25

Watch want to know one of them?

57:26

Right.

57:27

That's a big concern about Papa is

57:29

the concussions that have already added up, and the injuries

57:32

and all that kind of stuff. But if he doesn't have to be a

57:34

high volume guy like last year they were trying to feed

57:36

him the ball because he's the best player on the field.

57:38

He got a stretch there where he was getting a ton of

57:40

targets.

57:40

Right, All right, Uh, we'll take a break from this conversation

57:43

because joining us now is Field Yates

57:45

of ESPN. Field, can you

57:48

hear me?

57:49

You're okay? What's going on?

57:51

How are you?

57:52

I'm great? Thank you? Thanks for having me on exciting

57:54

times right now in New England.

57:56

Seeing you have a lot of rich mahogany behind

57:58

you. I barn

58:00

it.

58:00

I took it off of a Reese's paycheck. That's how

58:02

I paid for it.

58:04

I know how that works.

58:05

Field. It's good talking with you. Of

58:08

course, you've got your New England roots. But

58:11

now you're covering the league as a whole. But I'm

58:13

sure that you always have a keen eye as

58:15

to what the Patriots are doing. What was your

58:18

opinion of how draft weekend

58:20

turned out for the Patriots.

58:22

Yeah, I think this has the weekend. This is the potential to

58:24

be the weekend.

58:25

And I know this is what everybody says about every

58:27

draft, but the potential to be the weekend

58:29

to set the course for the Patriots future. Drake

58:32

May and I said this from the moment

58:35

that the draft order was set for the non

58:37

playoff teams, that there was no such thing

58:39

as a consolation prize amongst the top three

58:41

quarterbacks.

58:42

The three months.

58:43

Between the end of the regular season and the start

58:46

of the NFL Draft, we're going to determine who

58:48

went one, two, and three. But I

58:50

really felt strongly that all three of them merited

58:53

top three pick consideration, and

58:55

depending on the year, any of them could

58:57

have easily been the number one player in

58:59

the entire draft. So the fact that the Patriots

59:02

stood at number three resisted

59:04

the temptation to move back, and I understand

59:06

that temptation. There's evidence that suggests

59:09

that having a ton of extra draft capo,

59:11

it can be very, very valuable. But you

59:13

know, there's nothing more important in roster

59:15

building in football than having a quarterback

59:17

who can make everything else go. And the Patriots

59:19

now have that in Drake May, and they

59:22

use six of their subsequent seven picks

59:24

on offense, which was a sign that, hey,

59:26

we have the quarterback in place. But it

59:28

doesn't matter if you're the you know, if you're

59:30

a rookie quarterback, or if you're at the very top of

59:32

the food chain like Patrick Mahomes right now

59:35

for the Chiefs, We're going to continue to invest

59:37

in you because it's still the ultimate

59:39

team sport and we have a lot of work to do to

59:41

help get Drake May to where we believe

59:44

he can get to.

59:45

Are you in the sit him

59:47

for a while or are you in the camp

59:49

of he needs to get right out there.

59:51

Yeah, I'm okay with sitting Drake May for a little

59:53

while here.

59:54

And maybe I'm a little bit too old school for the modern

59:56

era of the NFL, but I believe

59:58

that one of the reasons in which we see young quarterbacks

1:00:01

play so often is that

1:00:03

there's pressure for these gms

1:00:05

and head coaches that they understand

1:00:08

that you know, they only have so much of a

1:00:10

leash to work with here. We see so much

1:00:12

turnover in those positions around the NFL.

1:00:15

I don't think that's the case here with the Patriots, though obviously

1:00:17

with Gerrod Mayo and Elliott Wolf both in their

1:00:19

first years in their respective positions.

1:00:22

This does align as an.

1:00:23

Opportunity for a team to say, if

1:00:25

the quarterback isn't ready, or if

1:00:28

they feel like playing Drake may

1:00:30

right out of the shoots can do equally

1:00:33

as much bad as it can good, then

1:00:36

maybe it's a chance for Jacobe Brissett to start

1:00:38

some number of games to begin this season

1:00:40

one, two, ten, seventeen.

1:00:43

I don't know the answer, to be specific, but I'm

1:00:45

an advocate for it. If the player is not fully

1:00:48

ready, it's gonna be really hard. If Drake

1:00:50

may does some of the stuff that I ankisobey, he'll do.

1:00:53

I know you guys have all watched him endlessly right

1:00:56

now, but wait till first Patriots

1:00:58

training camp practice is open to the public, because

1:01:01

the fans are going to see up close and personal

1:01:03

what kind of a special.

1:01:04

Player this is.

1:01:05

And you're gonna have moments during training camp they're gonna

1:01:07

make you say wow.

1:01:08

Now you're talking about Joe Milton, right. I've

1:01:10

always.

1:01:13

That's but Drake's

1:01:16

gonna have enough moments they're going to a wow you that people are

1:01:18

gonna say, how can we not.

1:01:19

Play this kid? Right away?

1:01:21

That being said, I do think there is

1:01:23

something to be learned in a young quarterbacks

1:01:26

a trajectory from seeing it

1:01:28

from sideline view for a little bit. I'm

1:01:30

not talking about three years here, I'm talking about any

1:01:33

three games that might be what it takes for the

1:01:35

Patriots to feel like Drake May is more ready.

1:01:37

Phil, we talked to you, thanks for talking to us at the

1:01:39

combine and uh Elliot

1:01:41

Wolf saying Patriots got to weaponize their offense.

1:01:44

What did you think of the two picks there, Polk and

1:01:46

Baker.

1:01:47

Yeah, If anybody here listens to the first

1:01:49

Draft show, thank you first of all,

1:01:52

But second of all, you'll know that Mel and I try

1:01:54

to do our best to not spend all day talking about just

1:01:56

the guys that will go at the very top of

1:01:58

the draft, and we did our favorites

1:02:01

list.

1:02:01

It's our players.

1:02:02

It could go not in round one or most

1:02:04

likely not in round one that we just loved

1:02:07

and loved studying them love something about

1:02:09

their game, loved everything about their game. And the captain

1:02:11

of my team was Jalen Polk. I felt

1:02:13

strongly about this player throughout the process.

1:02:15

I feel as though in a really

1:02:17

really deep wide receiver class he might have been

1:02:20

the most underappreciated of all

1:02:22

of them. Jalen Polk is a

1:02:24

dog. I know that's kind of a cliche, but this

1:02:26

kid is so tough. He's got vice gript

1:02:28

hands. The analogy that I continue

1:02:31

to use is he is a low post

1:02:33

player in the NBA twenty five years

1:02:35

ago. Not a lot of flash, a lot of substance.

1:02:38

He just gets buckets. There's just he just

1:02:40

consistently moves the chains. And we talk

1:02:42

about great hands in football, and we

1:02:44

think about highlight reel catches, right the Odell

1:02:46

Beckham junior catch with two fingertips,

1:02:49

and those are great, Those are remarkable. I'm not trying to take

1:02:51

away from the merits of those I think about

1:02:53

great hands. I think about and you guys have

1:02:55

all followed this team long enough to know, for

1:02:58

you know, there's some great, great players that

1:03:00

have come through this Patriots franchise

1:03:02

for a long time, Guys who just consistently made clutch.

1:03:05

Troy Brown a great example there, right, Like Troy

1:03:07

just made catches reliably.

1:03:08

Yeah, the ball in his.

1:03:10

Back hip, he just he made

1:03:12

the catch.

1:03:12

It wasn't necessarily these catches that gets

1:03:15

you on the Sports Enter Top ten, but rather

1:03:17

just clutch production plays. And I thought Jalen Polk

1:03:19

just made catches consistently, really

1:03:22

good body control as well. One of my favorite

1:03:24

players, truly, one of my favorite

1:03:26

players in the entire class.

1:03:27

Will you talk about guys like Troy Brown

1:03:29

and Edelman and Welker, guys

1:03:32

that just moved the chain consistently. I

1:03:35

felt all those guys had very, very high

1:03:37

football IQs. You

1:03:39

know, do you have any indication

1:03:42

of Poke's IQ when it comes

1:03:44

to football?

1:03:45

Yeah, the IQ and the character are a plus,

1:03:48

I mean outstanding. That's

1:03:51

part of the consideration when you're sitting there at thirty

1:03:53

seven, I know they were thirty four before they

1:03:55

moved back, is that the board was kind

1:03:57

of wide open there, right. You had a bunch of different wider

1:03:59

seats that could have merited consideration

1:04:02

right there, and they ended up adding some extra

1:04:04

draft capital and then uh and then taking

1:04:06

Jalen Polk. I believe was it the fourth that they got

1:04:08

in the deal that they used on uh.

1:04:12

Baker as well.

1:04:12

Yeah, is that correct? One? Yeah?

1:04:14

I have to two hundred and fifty seven

1:04:16

pick. Some of it's still blur to me. I know they gave

1:04:18

it a fifth to La and picked up

1:04:20

the force. That was where they got Javon Baker, but

1:04:22

a third and seventh pick, Like, there are some real good

1:04:24

candidates to take besides Jalen Polk.

1:04:27

The thirty seven was a signed of not just

1:04:29

the skill set.

1:04:30

Physically, but also the mentality, the

1:04:32

IQ, the person, the character.

1:04:35

They have a young quarterback now in Drake May, and

1:04:38

you want to make sure that you support him with the right people.

1:04:40

We think about that if the coach, the offensive coordinator,

1:04:43

you know, the you know, the position coach, they'll be working

1:04:46

with you name it. But some of the people as

1:04:48

well on the roster. What kind of guys do you want to have around

1:04:50

your young quarterback? They're going to help elevate

1:04:53

him in the same way that he can help elevate them.

1:04:55

And I feel like Jalen Polk is like that. I had

1:04:57

a chance. I loved him throughout the process.

1:04:59

I went to Washington prote got a chance to see

1:05:01

him up close and personal, and him and Roma

1:05:03

Dunze, who of course went ninth to the Bears, like

1:05:06

those are truly special young

1:05:08

men as well, the kind of guys that the minute

1:05:10

they walk into a room, they kind of changed

1:05:12

the chemistry of it. So that was a big ad

1:05:14

for the Patriots. You know, I saw

1:05:16

the people. There were some belly aching.

1:05:19

Apparently Jalen Pole went too high

1:05:21

according to various boards. I had him forty

1:05:23

second on my board, and I don't know, I have four hundred

1:05:25

players graded, so you know, forty

1:05:27

two for me, it was right in line with about where he

1:05:29

went, and I thought this kid was

1:05:31

an absolute stud.

1:05:32

So I was great with that pick.

1:05:34

Javon Baker was that was a value based

1:05:37

off my board. He was believe, seventy second

1:05:39

on my board, so that's a you know, good value there in the

1:05:41

fourth round. But again

1:05:43

this is in some ways it's just what

1:05:45

are we doing to empower our young quarterback? And

1:05:48

we're using six of our final

1:05:50

eight selections excuse me, six of our final seven

1:05:53

on offensive pieces. Maybe you want to call it five

1:05:55

out of seven because one of them was also a quarterback.

1:05:57

But the point is the Patriots went offense heavy

1:06:00

throughout this draft, and while there's still

1:06:02

work to do, it's a good step forward to help Drake

1:06:04

may feel like, Hey, this team's trying to surround

1:06:07

me with the right pieces.

1:06:08

Ye Tamara Hi?

1:06:10

What was Tamara Hi?

1:06:12

What was your opinion of the Patriots

1:06:14

double dipping at quarterback?

1:06:15

And what do you think of the pick?

1:06:17

Overall?

1:06:18

Joe was one of the most fascinating players, regardless

1:06:20

of position, in the entire class. I

1:06:23

had so many conversations with people during the process,

1:06:25

saying where do you think Joe Milton will go? And

1:06:27

nobody could quite pinpoint what the exact

1:06:30

round or pick would be for Joe because some

1:06:32

of it with Joe during the evaluation is

1:06:34

you saw what you wanted to see, but

1:06:37

if you tried, if you took a big step back and just

1:06:39

like took all the various exposures and

1:06:41

try to condense them down into one single

1:06:43

vision, what I saw was a player who, if coached

1:06:46

up correctly and not rushed into action,

1:06:49

has a chance to develop into something in the NFL.

1:06:51

What does that something mean?

1:06:52

I don't know, specifically becoming a starting

1:06:54

quarterback after being taken in the was it sixth

1:06:56

round, fifth round again?

1:06:57

I'm sorry if I.

1:07:00

Patriots fans probably would disagree

1:07:02

with this, but that's hard to do, right.

1:07:03

I mean, you know, Tom Brady is one to one in so

1:07:06

many ways.

1:07:06

It's high.

1:07:09

Yeah, and that no one knowing becomes a starter from

1:07:12

one ninety two. It's only that

1:07:14

one ninety nine spot that matters. But Joe

1:07:17

like the Patriots, and maybe this

1:07:19

is the Elliot wolf factor.

1:07:20

I don't know exactly why.

1:07:21

Well, who is you know, the most responsible

1:07:24

for winning? I guess I guess every pick is Elliott's

1:07:26

most responsible for. But I don't know which

1:07:28

voices in the room were also arguing

1:07:31

for the sport of Joe Milton.

1:07:32

But they want to be a quarterback factory. You

1:07:34

want to have an arm in the pipeline

1:07:36

every single year.

1:07:37

And you know, I feel like it's good business to be drafted

1:07:40

one almost every single year. We've seen teams

1:07:42

that have done so, and you're not going to hit on all

1:07:44

of them, but if you hit on one or two of them every five

1:07:46

or eight or ten years, it's a great business. It's

1:07:48

gonna help you out. So Joe's so fascinating.

1:07:51

He's an awesome kid, he's a great dude.

1:07:53

He's had to pay his dues. Joe has has

1:07:55

not been easy. He kind of came to Michigan with a ton

1:07:58

of fanfare and you know, the potential

1:08:01

fourth star recruit.

1:08:02

He had to wait.

1:08:03

He basically had one year as a starting quarterback

1:08:05

at the college level, one full season. But

1:08:08

I mean, as we all know, massive arm, the most

1:08:10

effortless arm I've seen in person in

1:08:12

the college ranks for quite some time. I was good

1:08:14

athlete too. An eighty plus yard touchdown run last

1:08:17

year. There's something to work with with Joe. It's

1:08:20

a project. But you know, in the sixth round, those

1:08:22

are the kind of sort of swing for the fences type

1:08:24

of picks that I think are worthwhile.

1:08:26

You know, some on this show feel like

1:08:28

by getting a guy like Joe Milton, who has

1:08:31

such unique talents, but it's

1:08:33

you're creating maybe unnecessary noise

1:08:36

for a first round pick who also you

1:08:38

need to develop any

1:08:41

What do you think about that? You know,

1:08:43

I don't.

1:08:43

I don't think in the sixth round you're doing that. That's my opinion.

1:08:46

I understand that that that thought and sentiment I've

1:08:48

seen it. I didn't. I didn't interpret it that.

1:08:50

Way personally, And part

1:08:53

of that I think is probably like knowing the character of Drake

1:08:55

a little bit, had a chance to spend

1:08:58

actually most of least until the until

1:09:00

the third pick, the evening prior

1:09:03

to the draft, right around the May family and competitions

1:09:07

in the blood of Drake May. I mean all

1:09:09

three of his brothers were there, and they were you could

1:09:12

just see it, right like I could. You could

1:09:14

see the competitive fire of the four of them. We're kind of horsing

1:09:16

around before the draft, having a blast, like getting ready

1:09:18

for this special moment. And I don't

1:09:20

think Drake is going to be bothered by the presence

1:09:23

of somebody, right He forever has had to kind

1:09:25

of scratch and crawl and claude

1:09:28

to become, you know, kind of the person he is today

1:09:30

because he had three older brothers who were all star athletes,

1:09:33

I mean three who played

1:09:35

Division one sports, you know, national champions

1:09:38

and basketball and baseball and you know,

1:09:40

a big programs. So I don't I'd

1:09:42

be surprised if this like created

1:09:44

like this inherent I'm

1:09:48

sure, you know, sort of uncertainty for Drake. I feel

1:09:50

like he'll he'll he'll be cool with it.

1:09:51

I do.

1:09:52

I don't know that for a fact. I would guess that though, but

1:09:54

I was, I was more fun with it. If it's a third round pick,

1:09:57

then we got a problem. Yeah, you know, but the sixth round,

1:09:59

one ninety two, Like, at some point there are

1:10:01

only so many players on the take. So I was, I thought that

1:10:03

was a you know, reasonable way to approach.

1:10:05

That pick field.

1:10:07

Bill Belichick was obviously on with Pat McAfee

1:10:09

on ESPN during the draft, and they

1:10:12

showed a draft board it seemed to be

1:10:14

team needs that were behind him,

1:10:16

and uh, some people thought that maybe

1:10:18

it was you know, I weren't sure if those were actually Bill's

1:10:20

needs for teams or if like you guys

1:10:23

had handed it. I'm not sure if you knew, uh you

1:10:25

know, who was the one that was constructing that board.

1:10:27

But it was just interesting, you know, to see what he thought

1:10:29

of the Patriots roster, you know, obviously after

1:10:31

he was just a coach here not too long ago.

1:10:35

Yeah, I think those were I

1:10:37

think so I know that was my bore that you

1:10:39

saw. They're my top fifty and such. Are

1:10:42

you asking about the cornerback things specifically, Evan.

1:10:44

Yeah, yeah, the court It well was just obviously,

1:10:47

you know, weird to see corner back up

1:10:49

there compared to the receiver or something

1:10:51

like that. But I was just wondering, if you know, did it was

1:10:53

did Bill have a hand in those needs, because I'm

1:10:55

interested, you know, about his thoughts on the.

1:10:57

Roster that he just coached.

1:10:58

Obviously, yeah, I'm almost positive

1:11:00

and I'll pull the file up right now. I did not

1:11:03

have cornerback on my Patriots needless

1:11:05

now I did not, So you know, I think Bill had some

1:11:07

influence there of how the needs

1:11:10

were conveyed because I just pulled it up

1:11:12

that I did not have. I had, believe it or not,

1:11:14

quarterback, wide receiver. So

1:11:17

that for my needs Patriots.

1:11:19

So yeah, I don't know, but you

1:11:22

know that.

1:11:23

So if you're if you're asking like, how could cornerback

1:11:26

be a need for the Patriots? The question might be

1:11:29

you have one, you know, potential megastar

1:11:31

in Gonzo Uh, you have another

1:11:34

solid starter in Jonathan Jones. Obviously,

1:11:37

you have Marcus Jones hoping for you know, for for great

1:11:39

things in a bounce back year this year? Do

1:11:42

you need more size than that cornerback group, which, by

1:11:44

the way, they got Marcellus Diele, who I

1:11:46

had. He had been mentioned on the First Draft podcast

1:11:49

as a value pick about ten

1:11:51

days prior to the draft being beginning,

1:11:53

So I was a fan of the player there, but

1:11:56

I personally felt like, you know, the needs

1:11:58

were stronger, you know, across the offensive line,

1:12:01

I mean across the offensive board pretty much, you know, wide

1:12:03

receiver, offensive tackle, quarterback, and

1:12:05

any kind of supplementary offensive line.

1:12:07

Investments, field and your dealings

1:12:09

with the various personnel

1:12:12

guys. I'm just wondering if

1:12:15

there was a consensus about Jayden Daniels and Drake

1:12:17

May. You know, I know you you started off, did not get

1:12:19

that. Did you feel like there were anybody that felt

1:12:22

May was better than Daniels? Like that's kind of That's

1:12:24

kind of how we felt here, you know, going

1:12:27

in, and I don't know if we convinced ourselves

1:12:29

sort of knowing that we had the third pick, but I

1:12:32

like a lot about what Drake May does over

1:12:34

Jayden Daniels. I'm just curious what the you

1:12:37

know, some of the executives might have thought that you spoke to.

1:12:39

Yeah, it leaned towards Jayden

1:12:42

versus Drake, but everybody

1:12:45

also has a little bit of a different perspective on this. I

1:12:48

would say the most popular refrain when

1:12:51

assessing the case for Drake over

1:12:53

Jayden is that the long term potential

1:12:55

nutside Trader and I, by the way, I

1:12:57

see a plausible case that I had Jaden asquarterback

1:13:00

to Drake's quarterback three. But you know,

1:13:02

I mean, guys, we're splitting hairs here obviously,

1:13:05

but you know, the physical skill set

1:13:07

in the upside that Drake brings to the table is ridiculous.

1:13:10

You just don't find guys with that

1:13:13

kind of size, that kind of in pocket mobility,

1:13:15

that kind of out out of pocket mobility, the

1:13:18

ability to manipulate the defenders

1:13:20

with his eyes down the field. The arm

1:13:22

strike is great, obviously, the character is

1:13:25

you know, off the charts great. You know,

1:13:27

the age I think is a factor as well. Durability

1:13:30

and if you're looking at through the New England lens,

1:13:32

right, you need a guy who's built for the weather. I don't

1:13:35

know exactly, but it feels like the Patriots

1:13:37

over the past couple of years have been absolutely

1:13:40

I mean, especially in the winter, it's just been terrible

1:13:42

weather, game after game after game, and you

1:13:45

know, I mean there are games in which was

1:13:47

the Jets game last year where it was like, what like

1:13:50

five completions in the first quarters or something

1:13:52

ridiculous. You know, you got to have a guy that has a rocket arm.

1:13:54

You just do big hands, rocket arm, can you

1:13:57

know, take on you know the weather, and then take on some

1:13:59

hits as well. So you know, to me, Drake may had

1:14:03

an easy case to be quarterback two in

1:14:05

this class. I'd say

1:14:07

more than anything though that the line that I used earlier

1:14:09

was the most important one in my eyes, which is, if there is no

1:14:11

consolation prize of those three, it's

1:14:14

really a matter of how each of those three teams

1:14:16

developed them because as we know in the NFL, you

1:14:19

know, quarterbacks obviously don't always live up

1:14:21

to expectations, but sometimes the teams fail the player

1:14:23

as well.

1:14:24

Yep, all right field, I really

1:14:26

appreciate you joining us. It was

1:14:28

great to hear and talk with you. So

1:14:31

where can we get more of you on ESPN's

1:14:34

What's on the map for twenty twenty four for you?

1:14:37

Gosh, I hope nothing for a while here, but we'll

1:14:39

see. No, I'm kidding them that. I We'll

1:14:41

just keep rocking and roll. First Draft is wrapped up for the

1:14:43

season, so we had a blast there and Fantasy

1:14:46

football season. I started my rankings this

1:14:48

morning, so we're rocking and rolling. And then I

1:14:51

had my first twelve players for twenty

1:14:53

twenty five NFL's raft up here.

1:14:54

My grease board right here too. So we're

1:14:57

going to keep ranking away one way or the other. All

1:14:59

right, fields have no

1:15:01

shot.

1:15:01

Are

1:15:04

you a Calvin bankster or Will Campbell guy?

1:15:07

Say that?

1:15:08

What we're talking Evan?

1:15:08

Are you a Calvin Bankster or Will Campbell guy?

1:15:11

Well, you know a little biased.

1:15:13

And I spent the past week in Detroit, uh and

1:15:15

you know I heard everybody's talking about Will Campbell.

1:15:17

But I mean these these are you know, breaking

1:15:20

that time will be a fun problem for the next eleven and

1:15:22

a half months to debate. But I tell you what, Well,

1:15:24

Campbell had a great chance to catch up with

1:15:26

Wink Martindale. He's now the DC at Michigan,

1:15:29

and to say that he's fired up about Will Campbell would be

1:15:31

the understatement of the year.

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1:17:07

What's going on with Brian Horror these days?

1:17:09

No, I don't know.

1:17:09

I think it would take a great opportunity to come along

1:17:12

for me to do that. Obviously, I was in Las Vegas

1:17:14

last year. I know I can still play because

1:17:16

I beat the Patriots last year, one of the most

1:17:18

to the list of

1:17:20

the sweet moments of my career. So we'll

1:17:23

talk about that later. But you know, so I

1:17:25

know I can still physically do it. But

1:17:27

at thirty eight years old, my kids are getting older.

1:17:29

You know, I think it would take a really great

1:17:32

opportunity for me, you know, to come along,

1:17:34

for me to to kind of look and

1:17:36

see. But so I know I can still do it. Body

1:17:38

feels relatively healthy, and you

1:17:42

know, so we'll see. It's it's always open. People

1:17:44

always say, you know, you if someone's

1:17:47

offering you an opportunity to play and you feel like you could do

1:17:49

it, you know, you know, I remember a

1:17:51

former teammate saying play till they tell you you can't.

1:17:53

So definitely capable of it.

1:17:56

It's just got to be I think, the right opportunity

1:17:58

at this point, you know.

1:17:59

It It's like us sit there and oh,

1:18:01

you know, he can play, or it's time to go, and everything

1:18:03

like that. But I don't think the lay people

1:18:05

realize what's it like

1:18:08

to make that decision as a family. Yeah,

1:18:10

when you have a wife who's supported

1:18:12

you cross country trips,

1:18:14

taking kids back and forth, at

1:18:17

some point in time, her decision

1:18:19

or her opinion, while

1:18:21

always valued, you got to really listen

1:18:24

to that's got to be hard, like from as a family

1:18:26

standpoint, like at what point time do I need

1:18:28

to devote my time to them? Right?

1:18:30

And that's a huge part of the decision making.

1:18:32

So that's why I said, like, it have to be the right opportunity

1:18:34

and all those things, because you

1:18:37

know, deciding to go to play in Las Vegas last year,

1:18:40

it.

1:18:40

Was not an easy choice.

1:18:41

It was an easy choice because it was Josh in my relationship

1:18:44

with him, but it wasn't an easy choice in the

1:18:46

regards of what does this mean for my family?

1:18:48

And thankfully we had a great school here that allowed

1:18:50

our kids to kind of virtual school with the help

1:18:53

of a tutor out there.

1:18:55

But it was rough.

1:18:56

It was it was a rough transition, and

1:18:58

they were all happy to come back once the season was over.

1:19:01

And so now my son, he's going into seventh grade, he's

1:19:03

he got accepted as Avarian brother. So you

1:19:05

know, those are all things that you have to take into account, Like

1:19:07

I want to watch him play football at of course.

1:19:09

He's watched me played for a long time. So maybe

1:19:11

it's times, you know, for.

1:19:12

A role reverse when you have

1:19:14

when you came out of Michigan State, I mean, you

1:19:17

didn't get drafted, yep, And I don't know what your

1:19:19

expectations were heading in, but to

1:19:23

then have what a fifteen year career

1:19:26

off of that, what were your expectations sort

1:19:28

of when you arrived here in two

1:19:30

thousand and nine, what were you nolping for.

1:19:32

I was just talking about this with my son the other day,

1:19:34

and I said, listen, when I didn't get drafted,

1:19:37

you know, I kind of thought, Okay, the Patriots

1:19:40

are going to sign me.

1:19:41

I'll learn from Tom Brady.

1:19:43

Obviously, I grew up I watched Bill coach in Cleveland,

1:19:45

so I always kind of had an affinity to him,

1:19:47

and obviously him being a great coach, I thought it was

1:19:49

a great opportunity to go learn. And I thought,

1:19:52

you know, maybe i'll make the practice squad if

1:19:54

I get released. At least I'll learn from these guys. And

1:19:56

then sure enough, I kind of worked my way

1:19:58

up the ranks and then it be and Tom's backup my rookie

1:20:01

year. And you know, the things that I learned

1:20:03

in those first four years were so invaluable

1:20:06

to me that when I finally got some

1:20:08

opportunities to play, you know, you put

1:20:10

those in motion and then you just keep stack in

1:20:12

years, stack in years, and and you

1:20:14

know, the thing about the quarterback position is if you're

1:20:16

relatively competent and you're a good guy, and

1:20:19

you make some connections, you know, you just extend

1:20:21

your career, extend your career. That's I mean, when

1:20:23

I look at last year, if if Josh

1:20:26

isn't the head coach in Las Vegas last year,

1:20:28

then you know, maybe my my my career

1:20:30

ends there. But you know, luckily for me, I've

1:20:32

met a lot of great coaches, played with a lot of great

1:20:34

players, and made a lot of great connections which

1:20:37

allowed me.

1:20:37

To do that.

1:20:38

That's a little bit unorthodox Brian as

1:20:40

a rookie. Now you're backing up Brady,

1:20:42

who's, by the way, is coming off a knee surgery at that point

1:20:44

in time, and you're the only backup quarterback

1:20:46

your rookie year. That was the same way in twenty

1:20:49

ten, you're the only backup court. Like, not a lot of teams

1:20:51

did that.

1:20:52

Well, how did that?

1:20:53

What was your thought process in that? Like you want

1:20:55

to talk about literally next man up and you're

1:20:57

one pitch away. Yeah, you're one pitch away at that.

1:21:00

I think I was too naive to even understand that at

1:21:02

that point.

1:21:03

You know, now looking back, when you realize, like Tom's

1:21:05

coming off of major knee reconstruction,

1:21:07

had you know, some hiccups along the way. Man,

1:21:12

if I had had to play that year, I don't know how ready I

1:21:14

would have been. Obviously Bill believed in me, and

1:21:16

Bill O'Brien believed to me, and and so

1:21:18

I'm sure it would have, you know, worked itself out. We had

1:21:20

a really good team, So I think I would have relied on those guys

1:21:22

around me. But you

1:21:24

know, at that point, you're

1:21:26

just I was just thrilled to be an NFL

1:21:29

football player and now I'm going to a meeting

1:21:31

room every day with Tom Brady and soaking up

1:21:33

what I can I can learn from him. And then

1:21:36

you know, that went for four years and then until

1:21:38

I got released in twenty twelve. So I

1:21:40

mean those years, like you know, those are kind of

1:21:42

like, you know, the years

1:21:44

you're building your foundation of your career, and I couldn't

1:21:46

have done it in a better place.

1:21:48

So I wanted to ask you a little bit about that rookie

1:21:50

season. You were part of

1:21:52

some really good teams, and you know, ultimately

1:21:55

you were part of a champion in eighteen,

1:21:57

but you know, you had that great year in two thousand

1:22:00

and twenty eleven, You go to the super

1:22:02

Bowl in two thousand and nine. You probably didn't recognize

1:22:04

it at the time. It's your rookie year, but

1:22:07

do you kind of look back and say, there was a little bit of

1:22:09

something amiss in two thousand

1:22:11

and nine. That's sort of the way it's kind

1:22:13

of viewed here. That was kind of a reset year,

1:22:16

and we're very spoiled because we've been brought up a.

1:22:18

Lot like when I didn't know any better.

1:22:19

So ten is going to the playoffs and

1:22:21

all that stuff is not I thought it was great.

1:22:23

I'm like, man, I'm a great but did you did you see

1:22:25

did.

1:22:25

You sense any like sort of dysfunction at

1:22:28

the time, or you know, maybe looking back

1:22:30

at it, do you feel like that wasn't the same as

1:22:32

some of the better teams that you were on.

1:22:34

Definitely wasn't the same. I think looking

1:22:36

back now, knowing what I know and being on some great

1:22:38

teams, it wasn't. There was definitely

1:22:40

some learning curve, there was some adjusting

1:22:42

to new I mean, that was Bill O'Brien's first year as a

1:22:44

coordinator here, you know, so now I know how

1:22:46

important that is, you know, being a quarterback when

1:22:48

you're learning, even if you're keeping somewhat

1:22:51

of the system intact, you're working with someone new, and

1:22:53

and that was you know, so those were kind of I guess you

1:22:55

call growing pains. But I thought, like, man, we're

1:22:57

going to the playoffs, like we're this is I'm on the page.

1:23:00

This is like a super Bowl organization.

1:23:02

Like Okay, one year, you know, we

1:23:05

didn't win the Super Bowl, and I'm like, oh, we'll win it next year.

1:23:07

I mean, I think that that's kind of the expectation you

1:23:09

have when you come into that organization.

1:23:12

And I've always said this, I've always

1:23:14

looked at it. When Tom Brady was the quarterback, I

1:23:16

never went into a game thinking we're not going to win.

1:23:18

Ever, there was never and I well,

1:23:21

I've been on other teams whether I was the quarterback or

1:23:23

someone else is the quarterback, and I'm like, man, I

1:23:25

don't know how much a chance we have this Sunday. And

1:23:28

I can honestly say every game that I ever played

1:23:30

here backing Tom up that there

1:23:32

was I never had that feeling, and obviously

1:23:34

a lot of other players around that. But you

1:23:37

know, when I talk with a lot of my old teammates, I think that

1:23:39

that feeling was very you know, similar.

1:23:42

When someone accidentally threw away the school

1:23:44

play costumes, no

1:23:46

replacements were shipped with FedEx and with

1:23:49

picture proof of delivery, everyone could focus

1:23:51

on the perfect opening night FedEx.

1:23:53

Where now it's next for residential

1:23:56

delivery only.

1:23:58

And now moments in.

1:24:03

History.

1:24:03

I don't know.

1:24:04

I know it's I know it could easily

1:24:06

go the other way and they could be in the super Bowl next year.

1:24:08

Nobody would be that shocked.

1:24:09

But I just it's not.

1:24:12

I feel like it's being like they are a top ten team

1:24:14

in power rankings and all this stuff, and it's it's

1:24:16

being talked about like it's like guaranteed that

1:24:18

that's gonna work.

1:24:19

Thinking about like Brice Hall being back,

1:24:21

you know, like.

1:24:22

Yeah, that doesn't move the needle for me.

1:24:23

Well who's who's who?

1:24:24

But I agree, I agree with what you're saying. I'm

1:24:26

just saying I don't.

1:24:27

Who would you pick them in Miami? Just take Patriots

1:24:29

out of this, take back Patriots and Bills out of the situation.

1:24:31

Who do you think is the better team between the.

1:24:33

Jets of Aaron and Jets Jets? I

1:24:35

think Miami. What I

1:24:38

think Miami based on what their

1:24:40

talent and the Jets. Now,

1:24:43

now if you're asking me who I'm going to invest in,

1:24:45

I think there's a better chance that Aaron Rodgers play seventeen

1:24:48

games than two. Yeah, that's a big

1:24:50

one, right, But if I think at full strength,

1:24:52

I think Miami's better. Yeah,

1:24:55

that's okay, you don't have to agree. He's like he's

1:24:57

disgusted that when you do that, he like turned

1:24:59

your the way, like that's

1:25:02

another great moment.

1:25:12

We're back. Excuse

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link anyway. Yeah, we use

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1:25:28

Elliott and we had Cam

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Williams and Matt grow on that. So

1:25:34

it's a good little addition here

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from the temperature tests from

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the National Pundits. Yeah, web

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1:25:48

Uh, Dylan's in South Florida. What's up, Dylan,

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Dylan?

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Maybe it's dial in?

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All right, dial in Dylan Jackson

1:26:00

in Alabama? What's up Jackson?

1:26:03

What's up?

1:26:04

Guys? How are y'all good? Hey?

1:26:07

I love that Phillyates interview man. Always

1:26:10

respected Field ever since you've been

1:26:12

covering the Patriots.

1:26:15

He works hard.

1:26:15

They also did I agree with

1:26:17

Evan with the Joe Milton situation,

1:26:20

and uh, just just kind of wondering

1:26:23

what you guys think, uh, in

1:26:25

terms of who's gonna be gotting Drake may through

1:26:28

this process?

1:26:29

Yeah, is it gonna be a VP?

1:26:31

Yep?

1:26:32

I think for the most part, but I think, you know, I

1:26:34

think mcadoo's gonna help, and yeah, McCartney's

1:26:37

gonna take up Jacoby Jacob yeah.

1:26:40

Yeah, I do. Okay, I'm ahead.

1:26:43

I'm good with Jacoby Brissette going into

1:26:46

it with him. I'm good with that. I

1:26:48

guess I'm not just I'm not sold on

1:26:50

the a VP situation. Uh,

1:26:54

I would like to get your guys opinion. I'll take it off the

1:26:56

air.

1:26:56

I love you guys, Thank thanks, Jackson, appreciate

1:26:59

it.

1:26:59

Yeah, I don't know about I think

1:27:01

I'm less sold about a VP the play caller

1:27:03

than I am ABE the quarterbacks coach.

1:27:06

I mean, this guy played quarterback in the league and

1:27:09

has been coaching quarterbacks for like twenty years.

1:27:11

And you know, I'm not I understand that they're

1:27:14

not all hits. No one has straight

1:27:16

hits all the time, but you know, he's worked

1:27:18

with some really good quarterbacks and guys that he's

1:27:21

helped I think. I mean, I remember in Green

1:27:23

Bay when he got let

1:27:25

go of Aaron Rodgers was not happy

1:27:27

about it. You know, Aaron Rodgers really went it went

1:27:29

to bad for him publicly. And

1:27:35

yeah, and you know there's a lot of things

1:27:37

about especially like

1:27:39

the way their footwork and their their fakes

1:27:41

on play actions and stuff like that that he coaches

1:27:44

that kind of hide the ball and he

1:27:46

coaches to you know, keep it here and then use

1:27:48

your your other hand and that

1:27:50

kind of sells the fake to the defeni Little things

1:27:53

like that that I feel like I can say, oh,

1:27:55

you know, he's there's some new ones.

1:27:56

Here's the thing. Who who

1:27:59

on the team will be able to say, other than obviously

1:28:02

his performance in the field, but who on the team will

1:28:04

be able to say a VP is doing a

1:28:06

good job with him. Ben mcadoo's like, because Gerard's

1:28:09

a defensive crime, you know, and he didn't

1:28:11

like it's hard to tell individually. Will he'd be able

1:28:13

to know, yeah, he's doing right by

1:28:16

Drake Mill.

1:28:16

Again, I mean I think it just looks the comfort in the offense,

1:28:18

and especially with the quick reads and you

1:28:20

know, seeing what's open and you know it's not.

1:28:24

Yah, Don Tuck and Bryan.

1:28:25

Just like he's going to come in at a baseline

1:28:28

of ability. Does

1:28:30

that gradually go up? Remember Bill used

1:28:32

to say they come in here and then once

1:28:34

they stop ascending is when you have to

1:28:37

cut ties. So those little

1:28:39

things, you know, we talk about all the cliches,

1:28:41

the footwork, the accuracy. If that looks

1:28:44

like it's improving, I would credit whoever's

1:28:46

working directly with him. Yeah, I will

1:28:48

say this about Alex mann Pelt. I've

1:28:51

talked to a couple of guys that are not with the

1:28:53

team anymore. Brian Hoyer very

1:28:55

briefly drew bled, like

1:28:58

these guys rave about him the person Alex

1:29:00

Repelt the person now Hoyer

1:29:03

played for him a little bit, so he had some some

1:29:05

of that. But I don't find

1:29:08

anybody that has anything bad to say about Alex

1:29:10

van Pelt.

1:29:10

No, I would say too, like it's I

1:29:13

don't know how much credit to give him for last

1:29:15

year with the Browns because we talked about it on the show

1:29:17

and we never you know, it was always kind of Stefanski. But

1:29:19

you know, the job that they did last year, what four

1:29:22

quarterbacks? Is that what they played?

1:29:23

I mean the credit

1:29:25

blame thing, you know, it's like, I

1:29:28

give them a lot of credit for patching it together

1:29:30

and finding ways to stay relevant without

1:29:32

a quarterback. But he lost

1:29:35

his job because he couldn't do anything with the quarterback

1:29:37

that we were supposed to do, because he insisted on doing

1:29:39

his offense rather than one that suited

1:29:42

to Shaun Watson. So I give

1:29:45

him credit and blame at the same

1:29:47

time. It's incredible that they were able

1:29:49

to win games with dtr

1:29:52

off the couch Joe Flaco like that.

1:29:54

That's I don't care what you say. That's

1:29:57

PJ Walker. I think won a game for him last

1:29:59

year. I mean, these are guys that really aren't NFL.

1:30:03

That's really hard to do.

1:30:04

Just like I could never name off.

1:30:06

Why why are you insulting PJ Walker like

1:30:08

they actually.

1:30:09

They actually started the fifth I think Jeff might

1:30:11

have started the last, but they didn't win.

1:30:13

Yeah right, yeah, yeah,

1:30:16

but p J Walker's they're scoffing ATFL.

1:30:21

You said five quarterbacks to play for

1:30:23

the Browns last year, go, I would have been like, uh,

1:30:26

it's funny.

1:30:27

It's funny because their room is besides

1:30:29

the John Watson, who I wish was not in

1:30:31

the league, you have PJ

1:30:33

Walker and dt R, who are two guys

1:30:35

I love. I love both those guys in that. But

1:30:38

yeah, I think with the Browns it's

1:30:40

all the macro level stuff with a VP like play

1:30:42

calling design, Like how much of that

1:30:44

Wastfanski was the one

1:30:46

calling plays. I'm not so worried about him

1:30:48

coaching the positions, like I think that that's what he's

1:30:51

been doing for the last thirty years

1:30:53

of his NFL career. I'm more worried

1:30:55

about, you know, game plan,

1:30:57

like, are they going to be a step ahead on the game

1:31:00

plan? Are they going to how he calls plays

1:31:02

and sequences plays together, you know, that kind of stuff,

1:31:04

because he hasn't done it before without Stefanski.

1:31:07

Uh Tyler and Providence writes in I'm

1:31:09

just curious your thoughts on which team benefited

1:31:12

the most from Jade and daniels ascension

1:31:14

this past year. Was it Washington

1:31:16

being able to draft him, the Patriots still being

1:31:18

able to draft the blue chip quarterback even

1:31:20

from the third spot, or Arizona all

1:31:23

but guaranteeing that they'd be able to draft the consensus

1:31:25

top ranked non quarterback Patriots.

1:31:27

A fantastic question, Patriots. I

1:31:30

think the Patriots as well, aren't you contractually

1:31:32

I'll be good to say that, No, I learned that way.

1:31:35

I do think that, you know, and I think

1:31:38

you know we talked. Yes, feel a little bit about

1:31:40

that. I mean, I do think that there's a maybe

1:31:42

a little bit closer to readiness you would hope

1:31:44

with Jayden Daniels, and clearly Washington kind

1:31:46

of feels like they're not really all that far off.

1:31:49

So you know, maybe that influenced

1:31:51

things, but for where the Patriots are right now, and

1:31:53

they, you know, are probably at ground zero of an

1:31:55

offensive rebuild. Twenty one year old

1:31:57

kid with not a lot of mileage on him, that

1:32:00

that's what I want to.

1:32:00

Fis all snark aside. I think the answer

1:32:02

is the Patriots, and it's because two

1:32:05

things. Number One, I like Drake May more than Jayden

1:32:07

and Daniels. I've made no bones about

1:32:09

that from the start of the process. But also

1:32:11

the part that the emailer

1:32:14

says it allowed the Patriots to get

1:32:16

one of the three quarterbacks, right exactly.

1:32:18

So if it was just even if it take Jaydon

1:32:20

Daniels out of it and then Washington takes Drake

1:32:22

May, the Patriots wouldn't have taken Jayden Daniels

1:32:25

had he not exploded. Yeah, so now

1:32:27

you're stuck without a quarterback and it

1:32:29

kind of like the way it looked at the end of

1:32:32

the season, you're picking three

1:32:34

in a two quarterback draft. Well, ultimately you ended

1:32:36

up picking three in a three quarterback draft.

1:32:38