It takes a lot of effort to build a breakthrough product. It's perhaps even rarer to design a company that endures. In this interview, Mike Maples Jr of Floodgate interviews Matthew Prince and Michelle Zatlyn of Cloudflare to highlight what we can learn about how to get a startup's foundation right, along with recruiting, hiring, and company design. Check out the new Pattern Breakers Blog at patternbreakers.substack.comfor even more Pattern Breaking content from Mike. You can also pre-orderMike's new book Pattern Breakers wherever you buy books.