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1:46

Baby. Or we and

1:48

ah Sicilian is this they are

1:50

We? yeah we live our Yari

1:52

broadcasting live. Hey I just noticed

1:54

that you know shaggy around the

1:56

you get kind of like of

1:58

biking beard must. This thing going on

2:01

in case you're right and I actually was

2:03

noticing a to ours like it's get a

2:05

little scruffy isn't it's it's getting a listen

2:07

for of ours. Now. This

2:09

is just knowing. You know Steve. I'm

2:12

not always playing a role of the

2:14

sometimes I just being nice the A

2:16

skin I mean sometimes I just wanna

2:18

be made. It's interesting. I. Don't

2:21

Love this. Save. But. Lately

2:23

to I've been mapped that into getting really

2:25

scruffy beard but I've been letting it grow.

2:27

And. Stuff and it's a little out of control but

2:29

didn't see it as a stage where it gets

2:31

a little bit out of control and it hits

2:33

a thing where it's not so out of can

2:35

for hims Darwin to get the Victorian Journal? Me:

2:37

how yeah scientist. Although I think the interesting thing

2:39

I don't know what the but the science behind

2:41

it as much as it's gotten gray. It's.

2:44

gotten scraggly or the hair as gotten kind of

2:46

my earlier because i guess it of the the

2:48

the pigment goes out of it and that likes.

2:51

To. Kind of shriveled. In

2:53

I'm be a really great the Great Picture

2:55

In and Out on Saturdays case with know

2:57

the Joy of Aids and Susan. Interesting thing

2:59

I am very interested in and wonder if

3:01

we could ever received we should do. I

3:04

think the whole sort of. A

3:06

call it the politics of facial hair is

3:08

very interesting. Ah why Why facial hair has

3:10

been a saying Yes and through It's like

3:13

why are their periods of time and people

3:15

have facial hair? Why are there for years

3:17

of time of people are several either cultures

3:19

where a beard or not a beards. Why

3:22

do so many politicians never you know there's

3:24

his story and of this now. But so

3:26

many politicians don't have a beard so that's

3:28

why it's weird. Ted Cruz grow a beard

3:30

and you're like so many American politics. That's

3:33

interesting. No beer like what is it mean

3:35

if you had. A beard are you like

3:37

in a wife and I remember once having

3:39

a whole city system over the friend of

3:41

mine. About. And my son

3:43

about this to. Buy. Them: The

3:45

Civil War the whole interesting thing with

3:47

facial hair of the Civil War guy

3:49

that so many of the kind of

3:51

crappy generals. M. M and the

3:54

losing side had crazy facial hair was

3:56

a lot of the car is year

3:58

like now. Sherman and. Herman and

4:00

Grant they have like grander. There's a very

4:02

kind of like standard beard. where's the other

4:04

guys have these early for some like weird

4:06

things and like you know and it was

4:09

like stars on the Confederate cited curly crazy

4:11

hair and then some of the bad like

4:13

authority lied on the snow was crappy generals

4:15

and I was like there's something about the

4:17

sort of the emerged as one modern single

4:19

arise like fuck this facial hair said i

4:21

don't have the time away some goofy facial

4:23

hair size of their some sort of split

4:26

I do think it's interesting and I was

4:28

not like why. The. Victorian subsets crazy

4:30

say so hair and stuff and death and

4:32

I was like I guess for those guys,

4:34

Darwin even and all those guys. The.

4:37

Males fashions were so boring you just more

4:39

blacks all the time as yours or the

4:41

sites that are like a false sense of.

4:43

the one place you could sort of express

4:46

yourself was your facial hair. I guess there's

4:48

some interesting evolutionary questions here to I don't

4:50

know what the final word on this is

4:52

may be. so for debate that some people

4:55

were like oh, the facial hair is like

4:57

a way of demonstrating your levels of testosterone

4:59

is who you're virility. I've heard this kind

5:01

of shit I have no idea of as

5:04

through sooner sort of unconsciously communicating that I

5:06

wonder era viral. I could Syrah Brooms

5:08

or Kansas might like it may play

5:10

a man I would who I'd say

5:12

I would like of what is your

5:15

daughter like I've I've been signed adverse

5:17

it's disarming Iraq year yeah most radical

5:19

has a perk up a notch row

5:21

matter accident. Your beard is very attractive

5:23

and subtle and it's meats and is

5:25

as good say I look like I

5:27

looked like a fuckin I would like

5:29

to. I'm like like Ted Kaczynski accept

5:32

that I've I'm his harem. I had.

5:34

To. That is in the towel he did you are

5:36

oh did you get did you go swimming to

5:38

they. Did. You get when food. I

5:40

david nice thanks for asking. I did and it

5:43

was yes it was very nice. I was on

5:45

the way to the swimming pool when I realized

5:47

rivers on as we have as far as most

5:49

of call do and we did. And I did.

5:51

and I got some swimming in and that's my

5:54

principal form of fall of exercise that elevate the

5:56

mood. Liked doesn't make you feel. a

5:58

lot at her like her the dot I mean,

6:00

it's also like yeah, that also really kind of mellows

6:02

me out too. It's like I get very sort of

6:05

calm from it What's your stroke? well,

6:07

I mean I just mostly do a

6:09

standard sort of crawl but I do

6:12

backstroke a lot because it's I'm

6:15

good at backstroke. I Mean

6:17

as a competitive swimmer I swim backstroke and

6:19

I was not good. Is that right? I

6:21

was good enough at the stroke that that's

6:23

the oddball stroke that I would swim sometimes

6:25

I was like the kind of third level

6:27

guy if you needed somebody to be a

6:29

backstroker But I'm built completely wrong to be

6:31

a backstroker But I'm good at it and I can

6:33

do it forever and it's like a stroke that I

6:36

like so I'll do backstroke too But

6:38

I'll do but the other ones breaststroke and butterfly

6:40

and stuff like that are too. I have very

6:42

hard I can do them, but they're too hard.

6:44

I love to swim but I never really got

6:46

the strokes together Like I grew up swimming in

6:48

a swimming pool. So I love to horse around

6:51

But if you asked me to swim laps, I

6:53

feel like it's so boring and so I

6:55

never learn to do it, right? It's boring.

6:57

It's also hard. It's surprisingly difficult. Yeah, I

6:59

can remember being in high school and they brought

7:01

the football team in once The

7:03

coach thought I'm gonna give these guys a

7:06

different form exercise and bring them in and

7:08

they were all just mocking Players

7:10

they were like what is still they tried

7:12

it fucking wimpy fucking swimmers and they got

7:15

in and One length

7:17

let alone two lengths of the pool. They were

7:19

gasping Yeah,

7:21

especially guys like that these bulky muscles

7:23

and stuff that's just terrible for swimming.

7:26

So these guys were Devastated

7:28

by swimming for an ounce. It was hilarious

7:30

there and we're just like yeah Just

7:33

continue and I say I can swim

7:35

forever I can just swim forever

7:37

and not stop and then I think I float

7:39

because I'm mostly blubber Steve I'm

7:42

90 by 97 percent blubber. So that's

7:44

why I can just fly through the

7:46

water Steve like a dolphin secret weapon

7:49

my secret Lovers

7:53

that's me. Oh, this has

7:55

been already this is hot. This is hot. We're

7:57

hot. We're Coming in hot with this one. Issue

8:00

here in swimming I'm telling you I'm

8:02

interesting we we I used to do

8:04

the whole saving every son sang to

8:07

swim. I used to save our morale

8:09

bodies to save my body mrs do

8:11

the whole thing for it and other

8:14

religions as well. I. Don't

8:16

remember personally saving the nether regions with. there

8:18

probably are people who do that and then

8:20

sometimes it's spread on this weird slayer michael

8:22

Silt selves yeah he monopoly oil and self

8:24

up like yeah yeah you would put this

8:27

weird stuff on our of it's legal for

8:29

guys the get must events so the it

8:31

actually would make you feel like you're gliding

8:33

through the water fast and it did make

8:35

you might have been psychological mostly but you

8:37

did feel like move Fact: I'm like a

8:40

barracuda now I'm just as such as through

8:42

the water of new. As. If

8:45

yeah actually we get into some of

8:47

that the in this discussion today he

8:49

says where we are, Ecology of Sport

8:51

a little nicely done, nicely tied together

8:53

once again professor very nicely. Thus we

8:56

will. We do indeed with our guest

8:58

get into a very interesting conversation about

9:00

sports. Not your usual conversation about sports

9:02

know it's a chin wags conversation with

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of sports It is. So yeah. so

9:06

that's but some. Before. We get

9:09

to that. We have our roster of. Announcements

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dealt with Yes Well one thing we

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want to do. His first saying though,

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And or were just you know send

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really good for growing the the chin while

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was. Absolutely. Tax

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them things and and keep it coming

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through the platforms. Absolutely.

9:43

Very. Good. Moving on to the meat

9:45

of the matter. We have a

9:47

very excellent guess to they. Are

9:50

very funny, very smart comedian

9:53

and writer. Via who's Award

9:55

Winning show Alex Edelman Just

9:57

for Us is streaming. When

10:00

H B O Max it was just

10:02

on Broadway. It's terrific. It's really rare.

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a clever yeah, funny and varies. Yeah,

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yep. he's really really smart cat. Ah

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yes he just. He completed an acclaimed

10:11

run on Broadway and around the world.

10:14

so stream as showed now on H

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B O Max it's terrific. Were thrilled

10:18

to could join us on the chin.

10:21

Wags to talk a little bit of

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bouts are all kinds of things. Three

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it gets some serve you well at

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Religion: Stay humble. some. Baseball.

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Improvisations Arm Yeah, it's

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awesome. Yeah. Harper

10:45

me know half of them. Every major

10:47

upset of you may be ask yourself

10:49

what is in a boat Me: would

10:51

like to fill in the people Singapore

10:53

as far as a second. I watch

10:55

movies that are poorly rated or run

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tomatoes and try to ascertain altering ascertained

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death of there's ascertain whether another actually

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shake. Cinephile produced by the guy that

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wants the movies even though that was

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a good promo to listen to it. Do

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promo right now. Isn't it attracted? We gotta

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Sometimes it's very hard for me to figure out what

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to wear. Yeah, when I I've noticed that the help

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of yeah yeah I don't want to say it is

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a myth. Yes, over the blackout were at, I end

11:52

up wearing the same things over and over because I

11:54

don't want to go out of my comfort zone. Shopping

11:56

for jeans has gotten so complicated these days. There's so

11:58

many names and so many styles. Understand and

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13:03

Please welcome to the chin Like Alex

13:05

Edelman. Hello Alex or it looks like

13:08

Alex's not. Yeah to his Could be

13:10

really nice. Nice enough I shot him

13:12

as curtains or it's a little creepy.

13:15

To. Little David google David Lynch the shot

13:17

of the curtains. That's.

13:20

Weird and I like, I know, I think I can confirm

13:22

a little. Of

13:24

this is good Hour shift. Ah

13:27

ah ah ah that are your home

13:29

reads are still here to see okay

13:31

the sharks herself that's amazing as I

13:33

was small thing was very sinister and

13:35

serviceable. I'm Roman Governor of New Time

13:37

on by the was nice to meet

13:39

you Alex and as I'm Alex welcome

13:41

Aegean word or Paul Giamatti signs that

13:43

may guys yeah pace and this is

13:45

because there was this kind of earring

13:47

shot of the curtains includes was kind

13:49

of spooky to be good or is

13:51

it know very sort of like scarcer

13:54

to sinister and then steering year during

13:56

the baby shark. Thing off of temur

13:58

was really nice. I just

14:00

original apart or is walking around. They

14:02

generates a new jobs. In. South

14:04

Events and as low as sing and it's read

14:06

Chad and gotten stuck in my head in a

14:09

way the recording never had and some it's not

14:11

even still recording. Is this woman? Calming

14:13

a kid down they should the Cia sit

14:15

ups in license a song for sure because

14:17

it's truly has some sort of like magic

14:19

saying with people who are not verbal yet

14:21

ah and lights like have a tag would

14:23

you ever see a chair this is screaming

14:25

in a restaurants and they slide and I've

14:27

had in front of the kid who simply

14:29

is like someone's trying to the can I

14:31

said it does read the Olympics as I

14:33

just it's not only to i kind of

14:35

such as slipping and screen in front of

14:37

any kids like shut them up I mean

14:39

as think that I think it does work

14:41

like up it's you're right. I mean. That's

14:43

interesting, the sea ice and your rights and

14:46

you saying like to get to get somebody

14:48

to break or to get somebody to like

14:50

just really baby shark over and over against

14:52

to crack somebody or to like get somebody

14:54

to who was it Noriega was it Noriega

14:57

that when I was in a says yes

14:59

yes over that they use in like the

15:01

dinosaur purple dinosaur song or some shit they

15:03

would consider they used as a use like

15:05

metallic I didn't that Mrs Bush also using

15:08

the doors and the kids and. How

15:10

many as they really aren't he did he added into

15:12

Barney i love using to does and they did or

15:14

said Noriega why when he was imprisoned or that they

15:17

just do it in there were yeah I get to

15:19

so the hell of a and were by were they

15:21

doing it and or yeah don't remember was at in

15:23

Panama was imprisoned. does anybody remember his memory? Hold off

15:25

he was hold on the summer. When. I

15:27

was when I was a kid. I volunteer

15:29

to the special effects and the audience sang

15:31

the song a song that was over and

15:34

over again. it was he was an inside

15:36

joke or a either in the audience or

15:38

the athletes with the song was the attack

15:40

Came back the very next though. I thought

15:42

he was the daughter of the test came

15:44

back the very next day. We are you

15:46

ever see was like over an hour and

15:49

a half hours is that the audience was

15:51

testing the yeah there is really really something

15:53

A match. ample shelling, Selling. Mother

15:55

says this lovely thanks thanks for

15:57

joining us. This is yeah sorry.

16:00

Can I ask you where? Where I always

16:02

I'm always interested in is where are you

16:04

Where do we find you right now and

16:06

my friend's apartment on the Upper West Side?

16:08

Iron Man with the Are in New York

16:10

City? I'm in New York City Ah, my.

16:12

Buddha shows in Providence this weekend, but I

16:14

spent on pretty evenly between New York in

16:16

a Blue Sampson, A Suitcase on the Road

16:18

separate. I'm a sort of a listener and

16:21

comedian, but. But. After the show

16:23

moved moved to New York's and

16:25

move to Broadway. I Sun stays.

16:28

A sort of stayed here in sort of

16:30

found myself back. your saw the first first

16:32

time you know in Alliance. Just see was

16:34

mentioned that you walk around you is walk

16:37

around writing jokes. This is like such a

16:39

different world for me. Is that how it

16:41

is that how you do it like you'd

16:43

stay long as you walk around. Don't you

16:45

want one Sick and Davis I really do

16:47

By says the different processes latest us so

16:50

are you like out what is your process

16:52

when you're writing a joke You know it's

16:54

so funny because it's fairly non standard right?

16:56

Like like sometimes. I sit. There have

16:58

been years where I sit in a computer

17:00

and right into the computer. There are some

17:03

times where it's just. I've

17:05

got a scraps of notebook serve more

17:07

like files on the phone or ah

17:09

or like were or stacks of receipts

17:11

are. Have a friend that I'm really

17:14

into grew with conversationally and will a

17:16

bouncing off of each other in the

17:18

last. Ice is my Magpies nominee. It's

17:20

sort of like Very Chances cast can

17:22

and so like I listen to Eat

17:25

the episode you guys who was had

17:27

sharing and we're down and is so

17:29

funny because you said he's got like

17:31

I smell a small but extremely light

17:33

thoughtful body of work. Cradling his body

17:35

workout like super concentrated, very concentrated stuff.

17:37

Yeah, and one overpasses in college as

17:39

a short story writer. Numbness in England

17:41

or who I absolutely love mans and

17:44

gym separate is another one of my

17:46

favorite short story writer is in here.

17:48

It's really thoughtful, concise, soft and I

17:50

thought god this is so different from

17:52

short story writing because my is just

17:54

like my whole life is just taking

17:56

as much spaghetti as I can make

17:58

and throwing it out a while. Up

18:01

at an early July when

18:03

a brilliant say new.i'm like

18:05

a nose. Is this spaghetti

18:07

western? a lot of spaghetti?

18:09

Yeah, medicine. Sometimes I'll just

18:11

improvise. Also, like yesterday was

18:13

on stage. At the Comedy

18:15

Cellar to answer getting back out there

18:17

and try new stuff ne Les said

18:19

you na na santa As and then

18:21

I realized I didn't have an end

18:23

to the sentence suppose if I just

18:26

saw my my brain resist hydrant wow

18:28

so sad monkeys and then added some

18:30

of the reason I'm not a fan,

18:32

I'm on his way to learn what

18:34

is you say? Like you know once

18:36

that that the humans. And so

18:39

the leave the rough draft lying around

18:41

does feel pretty sloppy. Nice. Nice. Ah,

18:43

that's awesome. Isn't really nice. did you

18:45

really just pull that out of nowhere?

18:47

Genuinely genuinely believe has. Not sure. I

18:50

love Monday's but it's like I'm a

18:52

big fan of monkeys. Zero notes Ah,

18:54

those the any group of people. Any

18:56

group of anything where it says a

18:58

sensible, the throw feces, their demonstrated anger

19:01

seems like a pretty solid system of

19:03

of i exists. Yeah, yeah, you put

19:05

yourself under duress. That's what is interesting

19:07

about improvisation. And I know it's

19:09

like jazz players. I play jazz music and

19:11

it it's almost like you have to put

19:14

yourself under duress to spores certain moves out

19:16

of yourself the wouldn't ordinarily do. I don't

19:18

want to believe that that's true or necessary

19:20

to create things that makes me so anxious.

19:22

They've just hero. You're a good enough. lies

19:25

real online, not a good improviser. I don't

19:27

think I am isolate and these when it

19:29

comes to ascertain, I don't feel like I

19:31

am. I'm only. you have to tell me

19:33

what to say and as the get really

19:35

really familiar with what you tell me to

19:38

say before. I can begin to feel like

19:40

I can play around with us. And the

19:42

because because otherwise I won't feel equipped to

19:44

just start improvising a terrorist or them. I've

19:47

come up with it myself, but I don't

19:49

do that. So it's a weird saying. I

19:51

feel power like what you said just a

19:53

moment ago and or in response to that

19:55

because you know. When. I

19:58

reserve person in my twenties that. Dress

20:00

was not just a manageable but fun right?

20:02

Like going new place and going on stage

20:04

and dying you with like you at all

20:07

the time in the world for the served

20:09

silent era process that will stress induced and

20:11

now that I've been oh just turned. Thirty.

20:14

Five And you know I've been. My

20:17

my my process is less iterative than

20:19

it used to be right by. used

20:21

to you toiled away for years and

20:23

who cared but now with a tiny

20:25

bit more notoriety people expect to quicker

20:28

output and so like trying to figure

20:30

out. Stephen. Away whereas less stress

20:32

he is really isn't I sing for my

20:34

for my life would be used as a

20:36

career of this. You don't want to be

20:38

constantly under duress. Yeah I think I worked

20:40

out of anxiety for a long time and

20:42

mighty say there was a kind of pleasure

20:44

to be taken. minutes I wanna pleasure it

20:47

was. It was a mechanism that some comfortable

20:49

in some way and I guest author of

20:51

it and I think those things into these

20:53

a jazz musicians and sub but they have

20:55

enough. Equipment that they've learned

20:57

so well to work with that they can

20:59

add wrong you know? name is as I

21:01

think for me if I get a new

21:04

to if I get a new character every

21:06

time. I. Go. I don't know

21:08

I the improvises this person yet because I

21:10

think if I start to improvise I'm going

21:12

to be drawing. I miss it as a

21:14

whole. Interesting question, a persona, and things like

21:16

that. I'm going to be drawing on me

21:18

too much and not I'm a character. And.

21:20

So I feel the need to build and

21:23

some information about the guy before I can

21:25

start to improvise. There is no replacement for

21:27

time on stage when the audience with a

21:29

nude and you have to say something like

21:31

of, sort of like around with Time in

21:34

the Matrix you are. If you are there,

21:36

you're acting completely on instinct for your brain

21:38

is part of that. Your brain is almost

21:40

entirely that instinct. and so the the sort

21:43

of self doubt doesn't have much time to

21:45

little during our know you're actually done better.

21:47

And the real. I record all my Sats.

21:50

And. i listened back to them when i in

21:52

our when i'm disciplines because it almost pussy back

21:54

and that had space almost as a back and

21:56

i don't like one insists that one tenth of

21:59

that bullet time back I

22:01

go instead of going oh should I be doing

22:03

this instead of I think oh in that moment

22:05

What what is it that I wish I had

22:07

said? Yeah, and then in that

22:09

wish can become a reality the next time

22:11

out right but so like you

22:13

need that time on stage And

22:16

you also need spaces where you can fail

22:18

completely Yeah, especially as you

22:20

tackle the comic-son is really good for that. It's

22:22

like I'm trying to Work

22:24

out some material on like and we won't get

22:26

into it I'm trying to work out material and

22:28

current events that are really spicy and like I

22:30

I can't You know and

22:33

I can't do that in a place without everyone's

22:35

phone in an envelope and me like yes It

22:38

has it but that's interesting that certain amount of

22:40

because that is true because Steve you go Oh,

22:42

you're good at improvising to me, and I think

22:44

yeah I sit here and I'm able to do

22:46

it But there's a certain amount of pressure not

22:48

bad pressure But there's a certain amount of demand

22:50

on me to perform and so I have to

22:52

sort of come up with things So you're right.

22:54

I mean it's a it's a different thing.

22:56

I'm doing here, too I don't need to

22:58

be crafting a set of jokes or anything.

23:01

Yeah, I think you have to narrow And

23:03

I have you view of improvisation But like

23:05

we do this on stage in front of

23:07

people and we are improvising

23:09

and that we could just fail flop terribly

23:11

But it's like it's like what you were

23:13

saying Alex like in jazz you have you

23:15

trade fours So it basically

23:17

means solo time you get four measures to

23:20

say something then the next guy gets four

23:22

measures And and you if you mess

23:24

it up guess what it's coming around to you

23:26

again Like there's no time to be

23:28

precious about it. You have to just stick

23:31

and move stick and move Paul

23:40

just in terms of acting like if you were

23:42

ever put in an environment And I don't even

23:44

know that they exist anymore But say like say

23:47

you were working with Elaine May You know 35 years

23:49

ago And she was directing like

23:51

Mikey and Nikki or a new leaf or something like

23:53

that and she was or ishtar and she was expert

23:55

Which is like by the way like a famous disaster,

23:58

but not a bad movie like no And

24:01

she demanded lots of improv. And in some

24:03

of the cases that yielded like Heartbreak Kid

24:05

is full of these beautiful moments that Grodin

24:07

and Jeannie Berlin came up with together. Do

24:10

you think that if you were thrown into

24:12

sort of like an improv requested heavy environment

24:14

that you could sort of pull it off?

24:16

I think I could if I knew that

24:18

this is, if it was a space where

24:20

this is what we're doing and we're starting

24:22

and we have a basis and there's someone

24:24

there who is, you know, all that like

24:26

Cassavetes stuff and everything. And when people sort

24:28

of fetishize that stuff and I'm

24:31

like, yeah, but they really knew what they were

24:33

doing. You know what I mean? They were,

24:35

it was an approach that was really

24:37

fruitful for them. They weren't just showing up and

24:39

screwing around. You know what I mean?

24:41

So I need to know, they'd need to be

24:43

somebody in control that I trusted. Because

24:46

otherwise I just feel like it, you know what I mean? But

24:48

I do have to do it a lot and

24:50

that's what happens. Is this kind of like, well,

24:52

you guys are actors. You can just go out

24:54

there and just like say some funny stuff. And

24:56

I'm like, I can't really, then I just am

24:58

lost. Then I'm lost. You know, I

25:00

don't, it's, my brain doesn't work

25:02

quite that way. I have a different brain

25:04

chemistry or something. I also like by virtually

25:06

repeating something again and again and again and

25:08

again, whenever a new pathway

25:11

opens up in something I've said a

25:13

hundred times, I'm like really interested in

25:15

what that means. But like to

25:18

say something that opens up after like two times

25:20

is not nearly as interesting, right? Like there's not

25:22

a lot of staying power in something

25:25

that like you're saying differently for the second time.

25:27

If you're saying it different for the hundred and

25:29

first time, then there's definitely something there, right?

25:31

Like your brain has weighed all of the

25:33

options. That's interesting. And decided that they'd like,

25:35

it would like to go in this direction.

25:38

That's very interesting. Cause I do find that

25:40

when I've done plays on stage after many,

25:42

many, many, many performances, that thing that suddenly

25:44

opens up a moment I've done a thousand

25:47

times is really interesting and fruitful, you're right.

25:49

That's really cool. And you want it.

25:51

That's the thing, right? Like you want it. Do

25:53

you ever get a great note from a director Or

25:56

a peer. And as they start saying the

25:58

note, your brain doesn't know. Isn't even let

26:00

them finish. So it's you like you're addressing

26:02

the saying that I'm always known as the

26:04

problem and have never been able to articulate

26:07

and or know really what's your minutes. Him

26:09

I saw slight always try to dig node

26:11

set of like visiting comedians like when Seinfeld

26:13

came to my sorrows. How when Billy Crystal

26:15

came in like Steve Martin, I would never

26:17

let them leave without being like give me

26:19

a note saying every one of them when

26:21

they started saying yeah I was like yeah

26:23

yeah you're right, I know you're right, I

26:25

don't want. I didn't want her mid air.

26:27

it's like I It's like now does your

26:30

ego. Gets crushed to though in this

26:32

process like I just as part of

26:34

the process like know I a house

26:36

or I'm such an ego and I

26:38

have so much a single on sense

26:40

of tag for external validation class should

26:42

be up to the Rt reckoned with.

26:44

My. Didn't I'm I never had a problem in

26:47

a writers' room whenever anyone shot down my

26:49

joke or he wrote me for television because

26:51

I was in the writers' room so I

26:53

can. You know I'm already passed the membrane

26:55

and you have to assume a level of

26:57

trust. So it's like same saying like I

26:59

have a i'm eager for lots of things

27:01

but never for light. You. Know for

27:03

some sort of like addressing my work in

27:05

that way our see like honor that someone

27:07

would send enough of it to sort of

27:10

like engage in any sort of discursive approach

27:12

to it like if such as usually. Flattering.

27:15

Saying that because really if you saw mediocre

27:17

works in your ask for advice you like

27:19

a and now it's fun. No it's

27:21

fine. it's like ads are know you are

27:24

you indian size that's terrible That's true and

27:26

it's terrible. It's paid already been as a

27:28

situation where like as a director gave you

27:30

so many notes the you're like Jesus did

27:33

it you know rested on for like says

27:35

yo yo yo other people's nails I think

27:37

I'm the same way. I think if I

27:40

have that reaction of back off it's because

27:42

you just now you hear me too much.

27:44

Information stored in are certain. I saw me up

27:46

too much and I'd I'd your game. Me too

27:48

many things and I'm not smart enough. I only

27:50

can. I can only use one or two with

27:52

these things. Right Mouse? You're getting me too much

27:54

and then I'm overloaded with the really good ones

27:56

ever do right? Colleagues rounder was Zora Like what

27:58

you do you say. And they'll give

28:01

you very little or they'll figure out how

28:03

you need to be talk to individually. So

28:05

it's a real skill to kind of identify

28:07

how to talk to people. My director was

28:09

my closest friend for are only time can

28:11

him an embrace peter out of the shower

28:13

and did all my in our keys to

28:15

ask. Is. As provocations

28:17

he would say it's provocation than anything

28:19

else. He was money every offered a

28:22

note you ago you would ask a

28:24

question from my answer would sort of

28:26

like sort of socratic method like he

28:28

is truly senses. For. Truly truly

28:30

brilliant guy and our moon. You know special

28:32

special person to be like why are you

28:34

doing that and I would tell him and

28:36

he was like okay well now let's talk

28:39

about us holistically as an approach on whether

28:41

or not you want the whether or not

28:43

you so what do you mutter that lied

28:45

the throw away. As. Like thing

28:47

as a throwaway is like why is throwing it

28:49

away and so like it wasn't like. And.

28:52

Same by the way sometimes you i don't believe

28:54

it is Rob. Elisa was like thoroughly gone through.

28:56

Is also him kids he wasn't a stand up comedian

28:58

says and I was I be like out of as

29:00

I yelled at by the won't work or if I

29:02

married a sign of our work and occasionally I was

29:04

like if i if I don't ya the line doesn't

29:06

get a laugh is I was in that is it

29:09

is a very good. Last

29:11

last I just prayed never stated superior

29:13

air from yeah yeah yeah like here's

29:15

what I'm thinking is gonna happen in

29:17

the very near future is probably happening

29:19

already been I'm I'm out of a

29:21

world is I have a feeling that

29:24

church he be t and Ai is

29:26

gonna be. Used to like write jokes

29:28

and I know they're going to be

29:30

bad but if you have it right

29:32

like a hundred generations of a joke.

29:35

Then. you can just pick the one that

29:37

is the phone and one likes you see

29:40

i'm driving at like is this gonna have

29:42

any the future where his humor something i

29:44

haven't even seen that like jobs written by

29:46

i as if they're bad they're bad admit

29:48

the other thing is that i think and

29:51

you can and please correct me cause i

29:53

know i have heard you guys talk on

29:55

this blog as including a tad about ai

29:57

riot block not director of life Loved and

30:00

was a brilliant guy passed away right before

30:02

starting on Broadway And then people were like,

30:04

yeah, it's terrible like my most fulsome collaboration

30:06

It's nice people were like he's with you

30:08

and uh-huh I get

30:11

what they mean by that and

30:13

like my spirituality doesn't quite work that way But

30:16

like hmm, I think what they're assuming

30:18

is that I've got enough aggregate information

30:22

to Sort of AI a

30:24

response to type it into mentally like

30:26

what would Adam have thought? chat GBT

30:28

in my head and then a trap

30:30

laid out from that but the truth

30:32

is the recently had such a fulsome

30:34

collaboration was he Always surprised me and

30:36

so the provocations were always there And

30:39

so I think it does a great amount of disrespect

30:41

to sort of his intellect by the way I've taken

30:43

lots of good lessons from him and the high standards

30:45

that he has and like very happy was in my

30:48

life I mean though he's gone But

30:50

to assume that chat GBT just to

30:52

put that back into chat GBT to

30:55

assume that chat GBT can take All

30:58

of the things that it knows

31:00

and then generate Authentic

31:03

surprise seems extremely counterintuitive to

31:05

me to how AI works

31:08

Right, like I've seen lots of good jokes that

31:10

have been generated by AI, but they're never surprising.

31:12

They're always good They're always I mean 99.999 percent

31:14

percent of them are bad But

31:19

in the good ones that come

31:21

out they are sort of like

31:24

B plus onion headline logical conclusions

31:26

of like things that are relatable,

31:28

but they're never transcendent and so

31:30

and so I think like Stephen

31:33

you're so right like there is a There's

31:37

a world in which chat GBT takes

31:39

comedy and like moves in another direction

31:41

Simon rich Who's a who's one of

31:43

the most brilliant screenwriters short story writers

31:45

comedy writers? Notice thing about

31:47

how chat GBT is gonna take all of our jobs

31:50

and he got access to a new generation of AI

31:52

But like I do think at least for stand-up. I

31:55

think it's not great for Like

31:57

aggregates of things from the past aren't

31:59

great. The generating surprising future. So

32:01

that's the thing that I'm like

32:04

a little less than sitting on

32:06

a very cool point. A super

32:08

interesting. Can.

32:16

I ask you about your spirituality. I mean,

32:19

you'd say that Sure, that's it's not necessarily

32:21

how it functions the sun, so there's some

32:23

and some signs your friend is kind of

32:25

present with you like a ghost or something

32:28

like that and not a ghost or whatever

32:30

goes to me. Sure sure. but I'm curious

32:32

to know about what your attitude towards that

32:34

kind of thing as spirituality and generals or

32:36

even how spirits rally shades and the like,

32:39

the paranormal and stuff like that. I believe

32:41

in a sort of like Mircea Eliade type

32:43

spurs rally if that name of like rings

32:45

a bell like. Chicago I believe. Yeah, that's

32:48

er, that's right, he was didn't use the Dean

32:50

of the inner see scada. Yeah yeah, I was

32:52

here in I believe in a sort of like

32:54

and by the way not to like ain't easy.

32:56

I still one outline of getting into a totally

32:59

fine that like. That's what was interesting to me

33:01

about the know. we get into it and we

33:03

I don't I've been out of the baseball thing

33:05

for armor. Are you a baseball something? I definitely

33:07

want to talk about by by one point like.

33:10

I've always liked things that were axis

33:12

mundi of always like seeing the met

33:15

with you access things that were sort

33:17

of outside your experiences totems you know

33:19

I'm like I don't know that I

33:21

believe in after less per se but

33:24

I also believe that I have been

33:26

to places on this planet where the

33:28

veil between this world than whatever is

33:31

not is very sin and I think

33:33

there are places which by the way

33:35

up again not supposed as you asked

33:37

about the most like paranormal leaning aspects

33:40

my spirituality. I guess the as like

33:42

paranormal aspect reading your my spreads rowdies

33:44

that there are places in this world

33:46

like Force in Japan or Bridges and

33:49

China or the Top of the Shard

33:51

in London. It's or that weird. Place.

33:53

In Hudson yards were like. There's.

33:56

Just a very ah yes the either like

33:58

this is like a very or. Energy

34:00

that is lying near that

34:03

if for any shimmy. Negatives:

34:05

Sorry. Way cause people

34:07

of away from this our

34:09

world. And. Like it is

34:12

And so that is a saying that

34:14

like I'm fascinated by seems that let

34:16

us access Ah meaning and let us

34:19

involvement in terms of like conventional things.

34:21

I think I'm taken lots of Ah,

34:23

I think it's taken last of cues

34:26

from my orthodox Jewish are bringing in

34:28

terms of like. Believing.

34:30

In the service birds rowdiness combined

34:32

with rigorous like I am. I

34:34

believe that like I'm suspicious spirituality

34:36

was outrigger always is nice that's

34:38

very innocent. Yeah, and they might

34:41

use the ago had Stevens. I

34:43

agree with a lot a lot

34:45

of what you're saying. You're especially

34:47

at this point about places where

34:49

you feel. Some. Like

34:51

the membrane between the worlds

34:53

as dinner there and I

34:55

like this idea on but

34:57

I have a question about

34:59

Judaism into Orthodox I guess

35:01

in particular butts. On.

35:04

And this is coming from a place of ignorance.

35:06

Although I was married to a Jewish woman for

35:08

fifteen years, so I have sounds. As

35:11

you didn't learn a thing is not

35:13

kosher, slim and. Services

35:16

that guy player that I always

35:18

like i'm sorry Mike was this,

35:20

didn't want his wisdom it it.

35:22

It's my impression that that Christians

35:24

are much more concerned about and

35:26

worried about the after life than

35:28

the Jewish people I know they're

35:30

like and such as we were

35:32

like yeah maybe maybe not but

35:34

we have to repair this world

35:36

so there's a kind of his

35:38

i'm. The. Sort of

35:40

more. it seems like there's more

35:42

focus on those the the ritual

35:44

or and the practice in the

35:47

community then like the metaphysical idea

35:49

of an afterlife. What does your

35:51

sense of Chino? Honestly, I think

35:53

it's been different a different times

35:55

in Jewish history. Elca, I think

35:57

that's armor. Jews are actually extremely

35:59

focused. The. Ah the idea

36:01

of like have an and shower and in family

36:03

way I'm happy to be true I I'm sure

36:06

you probably have the most intellectual a source of

36:08

have any podcasts are I'm but Florida one of

36:10

the how young smell the i was going on

36:12

over they'll let us now yes but this idea

36:14

that you know since you were like why hear

36:17

the jews don't have a how and I am

36:19

I a very of weed of course without we

36:21

ever we have a we ever get had him

36:23

we have a fit in by the way armageddon

36:25

some summer as physical location that's very disappointing valley

36:28

outside of our the old city voters honestly about

36:30

muslims as. Oh it's really sad. It's

36:32

like a June July you. This is

36:34

where is an obvious This is where

36:36

the final battle is. Ah, I don't

36:38

like an observant of months in office.

36:40

Never. A Million.

36:42

Five Hundred percent of. All

36:46

around to assume that I see I

36:48

blame a Jerusalem and I sent I

36:50

decide to yeah disadvantage is only as

36:52

a brutal valley between like East Jerusalem

36:54

or westerners on there's a we're and

36:56

telephone wire that has run it through

36:59

it since the first time I saw.

37:01

It as a kid in the last time

37:03

over there is hop or years ago my

37:05

lots of disappointment What is that telephone weigh

37:07

in on this is that the lines hair

37:10

isn't the lines revelations other of a of

37:12

his with us as a good so views

37:14

are jews are actually streaming service to our

37:16

to traditionally judaism's extremely focus on the afterlife

37:19

especially because I think like lots of like

37:21

yeah was religions. Live

37:23

life so miserable from us as practitioners

37:26

that the prominent as her north's at

37:28

it you know eternal paradise especially for

37:30

like. Murdered him at the hands of the Romans was

37:32

it was of his was a big part of it's the

37:34

funny thing is it's actually. See. Through no

37:37

alarm at this idea of repairing the world that

37:39

has been sort of was. Which.

37:41

is very much a part of

37:43

judaism every much like ah are

37:45

very wholesome ends up practiced and

37:47

white talk to children type of

37:49

judaism tikkun olam or sandwiches the

37:51

sort of set of ethics that's

37:53

inform six an alarm but like

37:55

it's become a little mister rogers

37:57

five unlike ah sizzling in the

37:59

sense that I have a joke that

38:01

I can no longer do because I've been accomplished

38:04

to so many of these, but

38:06

in terms of helping write the speeches,

38:08

but every person who

38:10

ever goes through a Jewish function where

38:13

a politician speaks to Jews, I think

38:16

the first law of Jews

38:18

attending political functions is that they will be

38:20

treated to a speech from a politician who

38:22

informs them that they are not obligated to

38:25

complete the work, but nor are they free

38:27

to abandon it, which is

38:29

always misquoted and always miss

38:31

cited. And it's

38:34

become a very feel-good

38:36

thing that is like, if

38:38

you brought up tikkun olam with like

38:42

Ukrainian peasants, like

38:44

200 years ago and they were living in a

38:46

shuttle, they'd be like,

38:49

I mean, sure, but it's like way

38:51

more important not to be threshing weed

38:54

on the path. So

38:58

this idea of repairing the world, like,

39:01

yes, there's a grand unifying ethos, but

39:04

I almost took comfort in the sort

39:06

of humanist assumptions of Judaism. There is

39:08

an idea that I

39:11

always thought it was sort of condescending that

39:13

religion had to be like, remember not to

39:15

do unto others as you would not want

39:18

done unto you. You'd be like, well, yeah,

39:20

sure. I learned that early. Yeah.

39:24

Can't skip that. But you know, there's

39:26

always a more granular, like

39:29

the idea of the ethics around Judaism

39:31

always seemed like sort of high level

39:33

laws that were up for interrogation and

39:35

interpretation later on. Like, you

39:37

know, for me, again, this is strictly an

39:39

interpretation for me, but I think it's a

39:41

decently informed one is that, you

39:44

know, one of the tech commandments is that shall not

39:46

murder, which is like an obvious one. And

39:48

it's in there precisely so that,

39:52

you know, the commentaries on it, of

39:54

which there are millions and millions of

39:56

words, can actually dig into what murder

39:58

is, which sounds silly. That's what we do

40:00

with our legal system, right? Like there is a classification of

40:02

what murder is and you have to sort

40:05

of get into it. And then there are

40:07

thousands and thousands of pages of Talmudic commentary

40:09

on exactly what happens when

40:11

someone gets murdered, how

40:14

they parse into what is

40:16

manslaughter now, consider manslaughter now.

40:18

There is like, so yeah,

40:20

like Judaism is

40:23

a very legal focused thing.

40:26

And I think at its heart, and

40:28

its heart frankly is the rigorous, now that

40:30

I'm saying it. Yeah, that's that rigor. Yeah,

40:32

that's all the rigor you were talking about.

40:34

Yeah, it's incredibly rigorous. There's something very similar

40:37

in Buddhism too, because you have, there's like

40:39

a set of texts that are for the

40:41

monks and they're all these rules. There's a

40:43

million rules and you gotta do them exactly

40:45

right. Then that's called the Vinaya. Then there's

40:47

the Sutras, which are like the stories for

40:50

lay people like us. And

40:52

that's all the stuff you learn about Buddhism.

40:54

The Buddha said this, he did that. And

40:56

then there's the Abhidharma, which is like the

40:58

philosophical stuff. And I feel like in

41:00

Judaism too, you have like the Torah, the

41:02

Talmud, the Kabbalah. There's these, and a lot

41:05

of religions have these cool like divisions of

41:07

labor, where like the thing you're supposed

41:09

to do is quite different if you're a family

41:13

member or a philosopher or a priest. By the

41:15

way, it's one of my duties in pet pages

41:19

and when people tell me out

41:21

of nowhere that they're studying the Zohar, they're studying

41:24

Kabbalah. Because that's being like, oh, I'm

41:26

in med school. And you're like, wait, have you

41:28

been here? Have

41:30

you taken biology? Yeah, exactly. It's

41:32

like, I'm a surgeon. It's

41:34

like, I'm gonna parse the sequence of

41:37

the Jewish mystics. And you're like, yeah. Well,

41:39

those guys all knew millions and millions of

41:41

words and pages by heart. And now you're just like,

41:43

I thought I'd get into it. And

41:47

then they wouldn't just hand it over to somebody.

41:49

I mean, it makes no sense when I hear

41:51

somebody say that. It makes absolutely no sense when

41:53

I hear somebody say that. There's a custom that you're

41:55

not supposed to study the Zohar until you've either been

41:58

40, Until you've either turned 40. Forty

42:00

years old or which fact that was

42:02

not a which is not news isn't

42:04

as well as Sama Aura or been

42:07

studying for forty years and some people

42:09

who really dug in eye out for

42:11

know you're not supposed to touch that

42:13

stuff. Yeah, Zola Risk is is also

42:16

so. Esoteric that like

42:18

not really respected as a source

42:20

of like Jewish thinking because it's

42:23

so it's satellites. I have almost

42:25

never heard any one. Our

42:27

in are serious Jewish Alarming Quote: the

42:30

Zahar like this all could a teaching

42:32

which is beautifully illustrative but it's got

42:34

elements of like some other way that

42:36

is a little bit hazy about. God

42:40

air these Jewish Congress is that like that?

42:42

God is so impossible. I'm sure you've had

42:44

many guests who said vs this but to

42:46

me. God. It is

42:48

so I'm sad. Them ugly, difficult

42:51

to. To. Figure out of the

42:53

idea that any one human can do

42:55

it or or do it directly. feels

42:57

really good which is why prefer a

42:59

more eliott it's height model were like

43:01

human glimpse meaning or something in it

43:03

like per in your peripheral and likes

43:06

and a mirror somewhere like you to

43:08

have meaning by throwing spaghetti and allowances

43:10

I nazism was feels like the most

43:12

authentic way to it. So I love

43:14

this. Sort of like Eliott of stuff.

43:16

I sort of light love the like

43:18

Homer Lutyens type stuff. Hook: Zynga yeah

43:21

Zynga yeah no. Great that that's like

43:23

man as the playful animal. yeah oh man

43:25

the place on creature as what it means.

43:27

yeah like odium. Like the idea that we

43:30

that we balances rigorous in this play and

43:32

and of coming out with meaning feels like

43:34

and seals right to me. I quickly plug

43:36

my special by the way how you about

43:39

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43:41

my phone's over there but I'm sure my

43:43

my publicist says like you wanna mess in

43:45

the thing you're currently selling place to place

43:48

Now I have this as bizarre that's or

43:50

that was a solo show on. On

43:52

Broadway called just for us and it's it's

43:54

rough I went to this meeting of like

43:56

white nationalists in Queens and sat there for

43:59

an hour and. When I'm like started

44:01

this kind of do like that's the sort of

44:03

central married I was in and ah and yeah

44:05

and we're going in for like six years and

44:07

is just came out and H B O and

44:09

I am Congratulations so proud of it As a

44:11

writer know at least at the I'm like I

44:14

was you should be Yeah it's awesome place but

44:16

this has been the most fun as it. It's

44:18

a ballsy saying that you did this very well

44:20

as a sign of son and it and that

44:22

makes a great show. So yes Gray I thank

44:24

you so much for having me as such as

44:27

this is the most fun All it was such

44:29

a pleasure. Oh.

44:34

That was while. There.

44:36

Was a true to Wag Net really

44:38

was exemplary Ten What kind of right?

44:40

He's a great improviser to just in

44:43

terms of conversation like he can take

44:45

it in all kinds of directions. was

44:47

on. Super smart guy super interesting guy.

44:49

It was so chock full of chuckles

44:52

and and wisdom. Our conversation with who

44:54

is Alex Adelman? guess it was his

44:56

was shot chock full is something that

44:59

really it or hear that often anymore

45:01

but as such a great for a

45:03

really talk I know and I really

45:05

was outside. I really don't know what it

45:07

me realize we're only going to be at a

45:09

mile a gym shot I'll I don't really know

45:12

exactly what it means that realising it on apple

45:14

though I was shocked false that in his cel

45:16

mai so that we couldn't sit at all and

45:18

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45:20

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45:22

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45:25

some improvisation of baseball sports.

45:27

But sports as a kind

45:30

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45:32

thing. More. That. Yeah.

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