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This is a global original podcast.

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McKenna's positivity podcast.

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Hello. This is Paul McKenna's, and welcome

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to the positivity podcast. My

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objective is to interview the most interesting

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people in the world. And in the next thirty

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minutes, get insights and even discover.

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How it is that they do what they do. What

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makes them unique and fascinating, their

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success mindset, and

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certainly what keeps them positive.

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My guest today is one of the best no

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rugby players in the world, having played

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seventy seven times for his country. He's

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a Sunday Times best selling author for his

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smash hit autobiography and a DJ.

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I'm talking today to James

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Haskell. Well, I meant my dad said

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to me, listen, you can either see these opportunities

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come to get better, to come back in a year

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and a half time trial thinking under eighteen. We

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know didn't put the work, you know you didn't do what was

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required, or you can just give up

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and play rugby for a bit of fun. I was

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in the school gym. I wasn't drinking. I was doing all

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these other things and a year and a half later, I ended

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up catch in your calendar eighteenth and that show being

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our just hear a couple words from you would be

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my kind of motivation to you is not what you wanna hit.

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Hello, James. How are you doing? Oh, well, how

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are you? I'm great. Thanks. So

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I gotta ask you, did you have

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early on in life? Like a childhood

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ambition. Did you what direction your

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life wanted to

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go? You know what? Are you completely

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truthful? I had absolutely no ambition to

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to be a rugby player to do anything.

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I my my sort of horizon

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stood at wanting to drive a digger, and

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that was what I desperately wanted to do, drive

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a JCB. I quite fancy

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being in the Armed Forces. was the most my

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most teenage boys kinda quite obsessed with

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the SAS and doing that kind of stuff. But

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I was very kind of oblivious to life, really.

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My my If you were to sort of dissect how

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my life was lived, it was very much like on a mountain

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bike or dressed in army fatigues,

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coming in, getting a glass of squash, sort

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of seeing, you know, from my mom then going back out again.

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I sort of wasn't really cognizant of, you know,

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world politics, you know, what was going

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on. Just a light car too, light running around, light

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sort of playing. And then kind of that ambition

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that I do have now that drives everything I

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do was kind of forged out

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of getting onto a path and and

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through failure. Really, III failed

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to get into a being the number

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sixteen team, which at the time,

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for a privilege background, I hadn't had a lot of loss,

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I hadn't had a lot of kind of concern. Obviously, I

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know some people will listen and thought,

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what do you know about after nature about my kind

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of context. And for me, that was a very disappointing

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moment where I didn't do the work.

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I was supposed to do the extra training. I didn't apply

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myself. And I remember my dad said to me, listen,

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you can either see these opportunities come

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to get better to come back in a year and a half

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time trial thinking under eighteen. You know didn't

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put the work, you know you didn't do what was required,

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or you can just give up and play

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rugby for a bit of fun. A bit like a Rocky

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montage, I got bigger

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and started training and started eating right

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and started working harder and started sack

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pricing and started doing all the

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things that you do to to be successful. And

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while others were faffing around, I was

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out know, at at night,

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you know, training in the dark during the laps. So

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I was in the school gym. I wasn't drinking. I was

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doing all these other things a a year and a half later.

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End up capturing in the under eighteen, and that showed

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in a very short period of time that

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if you work and commit and have a

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plan and disappear good, you can get what you want. And

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I was very lucky because sometimes takes people their whole

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life to figure that out where my ambition came. Once

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I got a taste of it, Rugby with

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them was a vehicle to fulfill an ambition because

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I was then up, what's the next thing? So that's,

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you know, playing for English? What's the next thing that's

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playing for lines? What's an excellent play into your club

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winning silverware? And then it's the same thing with with

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writing a book, you know. I wanna write a book, but I want

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it to a best seller. I wanna DJ,

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what I wanna DJ be that I wanna make music,

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I wanna work here. So that for me

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has always been but there but there was no

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underlying. Like, I've gotta do this. This

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is my dream. So what you're describing

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there was that once you've achieved one

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thing, you then use that and build on it

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to to achieve an

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x, the x, the x, the x. One of the things I'm always

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intrigued by, particularly with with

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with athletes is how do you motivate

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yourself? So motivation is

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a really interesting thing because actually I think once

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you understand that motivation is a

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very transitory thing and actually to be deciding to

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be avoided, to be honest with you, because motivation

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comes and goes like the weather, when

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you're motivated, you can achieve whatever you want.

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When you're not motivated, you fail. What

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what is more important is is

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mental resilience. Is a

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is a determination. Come what may, whatever

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you feel like you're gonna get up and and

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train in before. And that's why I was more interested

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in that, actually, I think that kind of that

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mental resilience falls in the different

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buckets as it were. You know, you have

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your competitive bucket. So that is, you know,

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I I wake up. I don't feel motivated, but

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why am I doing what I wanna do? I'm doing it because I wanna

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achieve. The next thing is you have your, you know, your

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kind of relatively competitive. You might have your,

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you know, looking at what other people are

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doing at your jealousy bucket. The

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highlight that you've got I'm gonna do what they're

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gonna do. You know, then it might have your kind

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of your negativity bucket,

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which is, you know, someone told me

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I can't make it I can't do this. Well,

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I'm gonna show them. And then you have your positivity.

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I feel great. This is what I'm meant to do,

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and you keep drawing on all of those things.

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And when one is empty, you find another one

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to go to. And that for me is resilience, you

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know. And it and it could be, you know, the angle

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one, which is you've woken up, you feel crap you

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feel awful, lifestyle your bad hand,

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you haven't got the job, you want, you haven't got promotion, you

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want your partner to drive your mad. Well, I'm gonna

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show the world because I'm gonna do it just for me. And

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I think for me, that's far more important

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than absolutely anything else. You know,

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and I think people who look for motivation, you

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know, come unstuck, you know, people messing all the time

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on on Instagram. And, you know, I

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I just you know, a couple words from you would be motivational.

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I'm like, to be honest, my kind of

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motivation to you is not what you wanna hit. You want me to

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tell you're brilliant. You're a little unicorn that

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it deserves everything in life and Impossible is

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nothing. Whereas, actually, I'd tell you shut up, get on

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with it and that there's no white night and ride over the

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hill to save you. You have to make it

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make it happen. Or you're gonna spend your whole

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life in a perpetual cycle of blaming everybody

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else and never getting anywhere? Do you

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know, I I do like the way you've described

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it there because Some people have this idea

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that motivation is just gonna show up and make

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them do it. Beautifully described, you

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know, it has many forms. It can be

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envy like that. Like, if they can do it, I

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can do it, you know, or it can be the idea

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that, you know, you've got a big dream or that you're

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gonna you're gonna you're gonna show him Right. Right. They

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told me I can't do it. That means I'm gonna gonna do

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it. You know, I'm gonna I I find that fascinating. Can

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I actually if you're having a bad

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day, how do you cheer yourself up?

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I actually worked very hard on my own personal

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mental health in the age of seventeen. I saw a psychologist,

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and I saw it as the biggest single

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tool that I could improve on over

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you know, again, a lot of people see it as

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an afterthought. It's so it's so mad to me.

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If I told you, you know, you could be you

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could look better if I if you wore the shirt,

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if you don't buy the shirt. If I told you, if you drunk

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this protein shake, you'd get massive.

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You'd buy the protein shake. If I told you, you could speak

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to someone and change how you

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dealt with failure, loss, success,

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your partner, your emotions, your sleep,

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your relationships with others, your

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in a monologue, your the voice you have So if you could

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you could change all of that by going to see

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someone and what that someone looks like,

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there's many different sort of people you

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can go and see. They'll give you tools that

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you revisit every day to make yourself better.

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And the reason I I, you know, I have bad days

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like everybody does. But the way I get back with

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all the bad days is I remember all the tools that

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I put in place over the years and practice every

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day. So if I have a bad day now, and I'm like, well,

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I have a lot. Why am I feeling bad? And I

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go, right, what is it I can do about it? What is

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I can control? And I I think there's four

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thing. You can control you can control. How

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you treat your body? You're gonna get one body.

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So, you know, if you choose to ovary,

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under eat, don't train saying, you

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know, look after it, fill it for the drugs, whatever it

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is, you know, you're gonna get one of them. How

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you treat your mind? So, you know, whether you

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wanna put a path to self development

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the whole time where that's reading, whether that's, you know,

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learning stuff, whether it's the beauty of life,

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art, music, whatever that is, you know,

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looking after your mind, how you treat people

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is the third and how hard you work. And

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if I look at it in the wild, I'm having a bad day and it's

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like, oh, maybe I'm not achieving when I want to

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in DJ. Well, I go back and go back,

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what can I control? How much am I putting myself

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out there? How much practice am I doing with DJ?

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Have I reached out to others who are doing well? I wanna

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do better than me and spoken to have

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I analyzed and and looked over

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the way I've been performing? What's my

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social media presence? Like, suddenly, I've got

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ten to fifteen things. That

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are only maybe one or two presenters, but

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I can work on it. Suddenly after that, after ten minutes,

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I'm like brilliant. I'm back on track. I've got a plan. And

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if things if you know, if you have a really bad day,

10:28

you know, things like music with or

10:30

or, basically, my therapist taught

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me that where where focus goes, energy flow.

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So if we're having a conversation now and you and I are having

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a row, if you maybe laugh, the

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tension is broken. If if I'm having

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a bad day and I see something on a TV that

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I like a movie, My attention is broken.

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I stopped thinking about it. My mindset's changed.

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And if you know how to trigger yourself a music

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for me is a big factor. Speak to friends is a big

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factor. Watching TV is that you feel good

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is a is a factor. You know, spending a bit of time

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on my own is is a big factor. But you only

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know these things if you speak to someone and have

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the awareness otherwise you're stumbling

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through, you know, life with your eyes closed,

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maybe once you'll hit on it. Right? But how long

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will you be feeling bad for? Could be

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days? Could be weeks? If I feel

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bad, It's ten minutes, an hour tops,

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and then I get myself back on track. And that's what mental

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health is about, not stopping yourself, having a

11:17

problem is actually getting yourself back on track

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really quickly.

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McKenna's positivity podcast.

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If you had to say, one

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characteristic or character trait, that's

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been your strongest that's carried you

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through tough times and made you who you

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are. What would you say that is?

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I'd say resilience or the or the terminate

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recent similar sort of factors, just

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that desire to to make things happen

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come what may. I just will not settle

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I will not settle for anything. I won't

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allow someone to tell me I can't do it. I

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won't wait for stuff to happen. I won't,

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you know, I will I will hustle and I

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will work and I and I will be unashamed,

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it asked for help. And I will also,

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with that determination, be on a path

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of self development. Right? I I literally

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think every day how can I be better?

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You know, obviously, my wife my my

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wife. My wife things are going nasty. Nasty

12:12

personality disorder things. I think I'm the greatest

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thing since sliced bread. Unfortunately, you know, sometimes

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people closest, you can't see the so the so the wood

12:18

for the trees. But I would essentially always

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think about getting better So, you know,

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even things like we finish this this this podcast,

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these guys will, oh, you know what? You could be

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better. You could be better. I would take that board a

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right I wouldn't take offense. I'd be like, this is how

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I can improve. So think the determination and

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the desire to consistently get better

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and realize you've never made it are probably

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the the the keys. Is there anything

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in value that perhaps people

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don't know that would surprise them? Ironically,

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I'm I'm actually got a digger drive a

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license two drive digger thousand above site

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work in any building site in the UK. That's

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probably the only logistical qualification I

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I have that. And I did a barista

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course, so I could take a key work in Costa

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if if all else fails. I'm

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trying to think what else I what else I what

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people might not know about me really? Mean,

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those two those two are a good good place. I should say,

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well, this is priority for us to move it,

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but didn't get it. What was the part of? I can't

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remember what his name is now. He he he he's

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one who tried to date Hermione. He's a bit of a

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slave. He's supposed to be a a crack in his

13:18

name was or something like that. Basically, he was

13:20

supposed to be somebody who flirted with them

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Hermione. Was going to take him a

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day was a real sort of sports meathead. Obviously,

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I went in there. I mean, I would've I would've

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like had grid if they'd put me on screen

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with the rest of them. So unfortunately, I mean, it

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doesn't matter how wooden my acting was. They were never

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gonna put me next to you, but I'm on a great job.

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It wouldn't look like a freak. And obviously, the guy did it.

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Was call Matt McCraggart, I think his name was

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was the character. I never got

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it.

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What would you say your proudest achievement is?

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Well, apart from I mean, speaking of parents

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who he said it's but I'm from siring

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my my daughter who is just six

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months, who's who's best thing ever. Think

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that's kind of what people feel like they should say.

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I mean, I'm not sure how much role I played, you know. Just did

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what I just did what I have to become

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super relapsed or, you know, natural

14:03

to humans. My wife sort of did the did the rest

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of it. Aside from that, I'd say,

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for me, winning the the grand

14:10

slam in six nations with England

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purely because know, it's over the last time

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they've done it it was in two thousand

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and three. I've lost in three other

14:19

final grounds land games. Which

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was, you know, which is pretty rare, had the opportunity to

14:23

do it three times, twice tied and won

14:25

to Wales. And then to finally win it

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in two thousand sixteen under Eddie Jones.

14:30

Six months after that particular

14:32

team was thrown out of their own own World

14:34

Cup in the pool stages under a different coach

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just to show that motivation,

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different management, enjoyment, and

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kind of all the things we've talked about so far as podcast

14:45

coming together. Can lead a team of success

14:47

with only a few tweaks. If you

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look back on your life so far,

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is there anything you wish you'd done more of

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or less of? I wish I'd let's shut

14:56

my mouth more. Probably,

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it'd be a good a good start.

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You know what? I think I there's one thing I regret.

15:05

I wish I'd I'd taken more control

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of my my rugby career. I mean, I was very

15:09

good at it. I was very selfish

15:11

in regards to what was important to me. I was still

15:13

very much a team man, but I was still allowed to

15:15

be talked into probably training too much

15:18

doing extra things I shouldn't have done forcing

15:20

myself through paying.

15:22

And obviously, now I'm paying paying for that a little

15:25

bit. You know, I've had since I retired and

15:27

I've authorized my name call up that spinal surgery.

15:29

I've got my fingers all screwed up, you know.

15:31

My neck's not great. So there's loads of things I

15:33

I don't know that was a byproduct road, but they

15:35

regret it, but I think I could've taken more control

15:37

because I allowed others I waited for other

15:39

people to take the initiative when I should've done it myself.

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And I can say the other one who just chucked my mouth really.

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So oh, well, You know, it's just to argue with

15:46

people on social media remembering that.

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It absolutely gets you nowhere. It's pointless.

15:50

It's like blue ball doesn't get a window. And

15:52

all it does is that it costs me money from sponsors

15:54

because unfortunately, if you are in public, I

15:56

will be a Z list of everybody like, alright, you will

15:58

not afford the same luxury of of telling people

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where to go. They can say, well, they want you can't because

16:03

people go, you can't be thinking that when you're representing

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our company. So I I had a pack

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two two years ago that I respond to anyone

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anymore. And my life is much more fulfilled.

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Have you ever been starstruck? I have actually

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once when I was younger, with a with a ironic

16:15

guy a guy called Martha Johnson, who who

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was a was a public company named England

16:20

Coach, a very famous world cup winner in Captain

16:22

England two thousand and three. He's

16:24

probably only person where I was a bit lost the

16:26

words on a song. He's a he's a giant of a man. He's

16:28

like six foot six. Huge

16:30

bloke. Very kind of he's from leicester,

16:33

very, you know, It's actually very friendly,

16:35

but it looks got kind of a dour expression, and it

16:37

it it was quite intimidating. I think I was only seventeen,

16:39

and I was I

16:42

didn't know what to say. It's been been then

16:45

I haven't I haven't really but again,

16:47

unfortunately, I'm you know, I'm you

16:49

know, I'm also of staff start meeting you

16:51

today, but apart from apart from

16:53

now I haven't met you know, I wonder if I

16:55

met the rock or or

16:58

someone like that maybe or Tom Cruise

17:00

or whatever Brad Pitt. I wonder what would

17:02

what would happen, but I think I've become so jaded

17:04

by life and so sort of realized

17:06

that the humanity is all flawed

17:09

and that it doesn't matter whether you've got

17:11

a famous molecule or all the money in the world,

17:13

we are all exactly the same. And

17:15

people keep forgetting that. People put people on pedestals

17:18

and are perpetually disappointed in what they find. They're

17:20

always so shocked when they find out

17:22

that celebs are just normal people. We

17:24

are. It's up in the it's up the royal family. They're just

17:26

a dysfunctional family. Like, forget about it.

17:28

So I've sort of already got it,

17:30

Jay. So I don't know who it would who it would

17:32

take to make me make me lose my

17:34

mind, but I don't think many people actually Can

17:36

I ask him what makes you happy? That

17:38

is very good question, actually. Since retirement,

17:41

because I've always been on this path of

17:43

doing better. You often don't sit

17:45

and reflect recipe

17:48

to success can be always wanting to get better. It's

17:50

always been self deprecating. But if you never

17:52

celebrate those successes, are you ever happier?

17:55

As I've got older, I think happy happiness

17:57

for me is spending time with with friends

17:59

and family over lunch, good

18:01

food, drinking, you know, like

18:03

a nice bottle of rosette in the sun, having

18:06

a cigar, you know, time

18:08

on my own. You know, I I will go everywhere

18:10

with my laptop, and you'll see me. And I always

18:12

treat myself. I was I was I was doing

18:14

a podcast of the day. And and one of the I forgot the

18:17

guy had had had

18:19

walked past me in SoHo, and I knew him and

18:21

he walked past his so in summer, I'd come down

18:23

to a podcast. It was just after lockdown

18:25

had finished. And I was sitting outside

18:27

a a restaurant and I was on my own. And

18:29

I thought, you know what? Got extra hour. I texted

18:32

my wife. I said, there's things meetings went on, so I treat

18:34

myself lobster. And I ordered myself a lobster, and

18:37

I had bottle of serving of broth. And the globe all

18:39

passed, and it was like, Are you

18:41

having a lobster and a pot of wine? Are you

18:43

right, man? I was like, yeah, I am.

18:45

I've got a picture of this. Like, what are you

18:47

doing? This is about booby things. I've

18:50

ever seen. And I'll be honest with you, I had

18:52

my phone set up, I had my headphones in,

18:54

my phone propped on the salt seller, watching

18:56

a movie, eat a drink. For me, that was my happy

18:58

place. Very, very relaxed. Very quick calm.

19:00

But, you know, I always treat myself because,

19:02

you know, what's point of trying to learn some cash without the craft

19:04

yourself?

19:05

Can I ask you, what what are you working on at the

19:07

moment? What's what's going on at the moment? So we've

19:09

got I've got a tool coming up called sex

19:11

tries and videotape, kind of it's basically

19:13

two blocks of forty five minutes meet recounted

19:15

stories from my career. There's little bit of

19:17

stand up thrown in there as well. It's basically meant

19:20

to be funny. It's meant to be all

19:22

the stuff you wouldn't normally here

19:24

kind of around the England team, around

19:27

my club team, around my time in Paris. So,

19:30

you know, that's take up my time. I'm writing that

19:32

at the moment. And then I'm I've just agreed

19:34

ten days and I beat it to DJ this summer,

19:37

which is massive for me. And I've just signed two more

19:39

two more records to to tool room,

19:41

the record

19:41

labels. So, yeah, I'm I'm very, very busy at the moment.

19:43

I'm trying to be a dad and keep my wife

19:46

happy. So I'm I'm I've got a lot on my

19:48

player at the moment. Just two questions,

19:50

James. If you had one

19:52

piece of advice to give people

19:54

from everything that you've learned in life so

19:56

far, what would that piece of advice be?

19:59

You can lie to everyone else, but you can't lie to

20:01

yourself. And think

20:03

that is true now than than

20:05

ever. In a world of social

20:07

media, of parents, of

20:09

lack of fact, of detail of

20:12

feelings being more important than

20:15

fax, which is bizarre. We've

20:17

got yourself such a mix mess. I

20:19

think only you know when the lights go

20:21

off, the phone goes down at night. What

20:23

the truth is, whether you are being the

20:25

best person you've yourself, are you actually putting

20:27

the work and are you being a good person?

20:29

Do you really work with your relationship?

20:32

You know, are you trying to achieve or you can achieve?

20:34

And and you can't escape those voices.

20:36

People are great. Humans are great. But

20:39

technically, they don't they don't hear and wanna make excuses

20:41

for them. But, you know, you can tell everyone whatever

20:43

they wanna hear. Potentially, want only you

20:45

have the voices. And if your voices are saying especially

20:48

around men, you know, men, you know, a biggest killer of men under

20:50

forty suicide, you know, there's a lot of men putting

20:52

a lot of provider out there, and the voices in the head

20:54

are telling them something completely different. And, you

20:56

know, you you can't light yourself. If you need help,

20:58

go and get it. And and I think for me, that's one

21:00

of the best things I I've ever got because I I will

21:02

catch myself making excuses. You

21:05

know, for example, if my talk

21:07

isn't a success, you know, did I put the work in?

21:09

Do I do it? Of course, I can say to everyone, I was

21:11

the audience, I was COVID, I was the numbers.

21:13

If that's matter

21:14

is. I know that the the details.

21:16

And for me, that's the most important factor. And

21:18

finally, is there anything that I haven't

21:20

asked you that you think I should? So if

21:22

you were including James House or what would she

21:24

ask

21:24

them? Oh, that's a very good question.

21:29

No. Well, I no. I mean, I've I've sort of

21:31

touched on it there. I think I think there's you

21:33

know, I I am perceived

21:35

right there wrongly as a

21:37

bit of a meathead alpha alpha

21:39

male. And I think one

21:42

thing that that people always perceive

21:44

is that, you know, that you wouldn't have bad days, you wouldn't

21:47

have things to

21:49

work on and that, you know, somehow bottling

21:51

all this stuff up and never addressing it is is

21:54

sign of strength. And actually, for for

21:56

any men listen to to the podcast,

21:58

you know, everyone's got something going

22:00

on. Everyone's got things

22:02

they need to work on. You know, go out and

22:04

go out and do that, you know, go out and reach out. I I

22:06

had those at good days, but I worked on it continuously.

22:09

And I think help people probably

22:11

assume you don't do that because you're always positive. I'm

22:13

always positive. I'm always, you know, people follow me social media.

22:15

Like, Christ, how are you doing all this stuff? And it's

22:17

like, you know, it sometimes comes at comes

22:19

at a cost, comes at a price, but I put

22:21

the time in to work it and analyze it and and

22:23

to address it. And I think, for me,

22:25

that's probably one of the most important important

22:27

messages I can give anyone because if if

22:30

one person listens to this, he he thinks, you

22:32

know, what? Maybe I need somebody put some

22:34

work and I'll speak to someone or address something just,

22:36

you

22:36

know, do it because that's the only the the the thing

22:38

that will save you life. I think wise words.

22:40

James has been a real pleasure talking

22:42

with you today,

22:44

and thanks for spending some time. Sharing

22:47

an an insight into the way you think and

22:49

your

22:50

world. Paul, you're a legend. It's great to finally

22:52

meet you. Thanks. Have me on. The

22:53

positive be podcast with Paul

22:56

Good

22:56

evening yourself, positive outlook. I think

22:59

be negative doesn't get you anywhere. I work hard

23:01

at my brain. I work hard at my card and I work

23:03

hard at looking after people.

23:04

Also, I've had some setbacks, but they've been

23:06

tiny compared to the McKenna's, and I had

23:08

the successes in the right order, I visualize

23:11

my dreams, and then I walk towards them and I'll make

23:13

them reality. I'm not my most positive

23:15

when I'm doing something positive, so I

23:17

need a plan. As positive experience

23:19

you can have is when you are earning

23:22

and it doesn't feel like work. I love doing

23:24

a lot of different things, but when I'm doing one

23:26

thing, I focus on it. So think

23:28

That is the secret of success. Everything

23:30

that I've experienced and I've done

23:33

positive or negative, however it's

23:35

viewed, I'm now in position

23:38

where I could be kinder to myself,

23:40

which means I could be kinder to the people I

23:42

love. The human mind is the most powerful

23:44

muscle in the body. And, you know,

23:47

really anything is

23:48

possible. Not immediately, but everything

23:50

is possible of patience and perseverance. The

23:52

positivity podcast with

23:54

Paul McKenna.