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1:59
It's about innovative ideas
2:02
that are getting help to people who've been affected
2:04
by natural disasters and human
2:06
conflicts, with a hospital on
2:09
a train, a workshop on wheels
2:11
and a robot medic. Humanitarian
2:16
crises have all kinds of causes.
2:19
So that's everything from natural disasters
2:21
like floods and earthquakes to war
2:24
and conflicts. Now according to the
2:26
UN, they've impacted more than 2
2:29
billion people around the world in
2:31
the last 20 years. And
2:33
when a crisis occurs, it can be difficult
2:36
or even dangerous to get help to the affected
2:38
area quickly. And it's often
2:41
ordinary people who end up suffering.
2:44
But that's where our first solution
2:46
today comes in. It's a clever idea
2:48
that's providing emergency transport
2:50
and treatment to people right
2:53
in the middle of a conflict zone.
3:22
Years ago, Albina was training
3:25
medical students at a teaching hospital
3:27
in the Ukrainian city of Sumi. But
3:30
in February 2022, the
3:32
town came under attack from Russian forces.
3:35
Civilians started evacuating the area, but
3:38
Albina made the difficult decision to
3:40
stay on. You know, when
3:43
this emergency happens in your country,
3:45
you are supposed to adapt somehow.
3:48
And I was looking for new options,
3:51
how I can be useful here. learned
4:00
that they were facing a big issue.
4:02
They needed to evacuate large
4:04
numbers of patients from the east to
4:06
hospitals further away from the conflict
4:09
in the west. Distances
4:11
in Ukraine are quite long and those
4:14
distances can't be covered by
4:16
ambulances because in ambulance
4:19
we can transfer mainly
4:21
one patient with pre-medical
4:24
colleagues and it's
4:25
quite difficult to arrange.
4:28
They also didn't have enough ambulances
4:30
at the time. So the solution?
4:33
To take advantage of Ukraine's effective
4:35
rail network and create the country's
4:38
first
4:38
hospital train.
4:42
Engineers from Medsan-Som frontiers
4:44
or MSS and the Ukrainian railways
4:47
sat down and worked out how to turn eight
4:49
railway carriages
4:50
from the 1980s into
4:52
a long thin ambulance that included
4:54
an intensive care unit or ICU
4:57
and it was a real engineering
5:00
challenge. They had to
5:02
redesign everything from
5:04
attaching anchor points to the floor to
5:06
stop the beds and trolleys rolling around
5:09
to widening internal doors so that they had
5:11
more space to maneuver patients.
5:14
Also they knew they would need a lot of batteries
5:16
to power the medical equipment so
5:18
they dedicated one carriage to store a generator
5:21
and batteries. But then they realized
5:23
that the ICU which would use the most
5:25
energy would be on the other end of
5:27
the train. So the solution? To
5:30
run two kilometres of electric
5:32
cables along the walls to
5:34
power all the
5:35
carriages.
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Despite the language barrier and interruptions
5:39
from air raid sirens, the train
5:41
was ready to go in just over three
5:44
weeks.
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Albina has been working, eating
5:51
and sleeping on it ever since and has got
5:53
to know the train very
5:54
well. I
6:00
am standing in the South
6:02
car. Sometimes we travel
6:05
over 48 hours and
6:08
here is the place. Then
6:11
we have small kitchen here and
6:13
we can take something for food.
6:19
I am standing in ICU
6:21
car. We have 5 ICU
6:24
beds here and we are able
6:26
to treat the most severe patients in
6:28
this car. We
6:30
have monitors
6:32
which you can hear sounds
6:35
of. We have ventilators,
6:37
we have insulin pumps, we have some that
6:39
are mostly the patients like
6:42
alcohol pumps, machines, acid remains,
6:44
etc.
6:46
This heating saving train has been running
6:48
since March 2022 and it
6:51
does one trip a week to get injured
6:53
people medical help. Our
6:55
reporter Claire Bates has been finding out more about
6:57
Albina and her team. She joins
6:59
me now in studio to tell us more. As always
7:02
it's great to see you. Hi Myra. Claire,
7:04
this train is working to get injured people in
7:07
the east of Ukraine to safer hospitals
7:09
in the west part of the country. It sounds
7:12
amazing but I have to ask, how
7:14
safe is this for the people who are on the train?
7:18
It is the safest way to transport
7:20
civilians because although Russia
7:22
has attacked Ukraine's rail network, trains
7:25
are very difficult moving targets to hit.
7:28
The hospital train certainly hasn't been affected by
7:30
any bombing to date. How
7:32
many people work with Albina on the
7:34
train? There are 12 medical staff.
7:37
They are mostly Ukrainian with a few internationals.
7:40
They also have an electrician, a translator
7:42
and a project coordinator. I
7:45
should say they couldn't have done it without the support
7:47
of the Ukrainian Railways who have been sorting
7:49
out all the schedules and the Ukrainian
7:51
Health Authority who have been working out which
7:54
patients to move west and have made sure
7:56
that they spread the load between the receiving hospitals.
8:00
do have lots of support from different
8:02
places. But also, Claire, do they struggle
8:05
to treat these patients on the train because
8:07
they don't actually stop? They pick them up and
8:09
then they just keep moving? Well, Albina told
8:11
me that they got very skilled at doing their
8:13
jobs while being jolted around. I
8:15
didn't manage to speak to any patients directly,
8:18
but apparently they really appreciated being
8:21
allowed to bring family members and they
8:23
even changed the rules so they could bring their pets with
8:25
them as well. And I think just all the
8:27
efforts went into relocating them safely.
8:30
What about the rest of the team? I imagine
8:32
it can't be easy being able to
8:34
treat these people in the middle of a conflict. Yeah,
8:36
the team found it really difficult.
8:39
We had our own medical skills,
8:41
you know, but we didn't
8:44
have experience both work in
8:46
emergency context at all. And
8:49
a few times we had old
8:51
ladies with age of 90 something, 80
8:54
something. This
8:57
traumatic computation. And it's so
8:59
awful. The most difficult
9:02
was to adapt
9:04
for evacuation of kids. When
9:07
you see a child
9:09
of six years old with
9:12
two feet amputated because
9:14
of trauma, it's
9:15
super sad.
9:17
But Albina said the way they got through it was
9:19
relying on each other. And also they're
9:21
just really proud of the role that they've played as
9:23
Ukrainians. Yeah, they should be. Could
9:25
you give me an idea, Claire, of the kind
9:28
of impact they've had so far? Yeah,
9:30
so the last time I checked, they had completed 126 trips.
9:35
And during these, they transferred 3,500 patients across
9:38
the country. And that included nearly 300 intensive
9:41
care patients. That's really impressive.
9:44
And it's great to see people like Albina
9:47
taking charge and being part of
9:49
the solution. And that, Claire,
9:51
is something that she has in common with
9:54
our next solution seeker. That's
9:56
right. So I want to introduce you now
9:58
to an organisation. called Field
10:00
Ready, and they have quite a unique
10:02
approach to dealing with humanitarian disasters.
10:06
Here's co-founder Eric James.
10:08
I've been working in international
10:10
aid for several decades, and
10:13
there was just a continuing
10:16
frustration with the way that supply
10:19
chains in particular work.
10:21
I remember one particular instance in
10:24
South Sudan. I
10:27
was on a visit to a remote
10:30
sub-office, and then there was only a single
10:32
dirt road going in and out of town.
10:35
And I was impressed by the fact that
10:37
there was a whole group
10:39
of land rovers and that
10:42
kind of vehicle. When I was talking to
10:44
the logistician, however, he pointed
10:47
out that only one of them was working.
10:52
And the way that they got that one working
10:54
was that they cannibalized parts from all the other
10:56
vehicles.
11:03
Eric
11:03
saw items from cars to solar
11:05
panels shipped to places following a disaster,
11:08
but these quickly stopped working for the lack
11:10
of a simple part or the knowledge to repair
11:13
it. He wanted to do something different.
11:16
When there's a humanitarian crisis or
11:18
some disaster, we help rebuild
11:21
by using local manufacturing, by bringing
11:23
innovation to those places, and by
11:25
working with local partners.
11:28
So Claire, this is like a crack team
11:30
of engineers who can leap into action
11:32
at a moment's notice to solve
11:35
basically whatever problems need solving.
11:37
Yeah, so instead of waiting for parts to arrive,
11:39
they'll make things themselves or they'll
11:42
fix the things that are already broken. But
11:44
whatever they do, they follow the same principles.
11:47
So when they go into a country, they first see
11:49
what resources are already available on the
11:51
ground. So that could be raw materials
11:54
or local expertise. And they also
11:56
employ people locally to head the projects.
11:59
overwhelmingly our staff are local from
12:02
those areas. Some
12:04
of them are makers
12:07
or product engineers by training. They've
12:09
been called MacGyvers that people are familiar with
12:11
at old TV shows.
12:14
And for those who haven't seen it, MacGyver
12:17
was a show about a secret agent who used
12:19
science and a Swiss Army knife
12:20
to solve problems. They're
12:23
able to work through problems. It's
12:25
way more than just some duct tape, but you
12:27
can't bubble down with that for MacGyver
12:29
did. But it's about bringing
12:32
those sort of skills and
12:34
ways of thinking to make useful
12:37
things in difficult places.
12:39
One example is Field Ready's work on the Turkey-Syria
12:42
border. The team there has been working
12:44
with local hospitals to fix their broken equipment
12:47
using laser cutters, 3D printing and
12:49
metalwork. And a few years
12:52
ago, they came up with a unique life-saving
12:54
device for Syrians caught in missile
12:56
strikes.
12:58
Collapsed buildings require
13:01
special equipment to lift tons
13:03
of rubble. It's expensive and hard to get.
13:05
The solution was
13:08
a massive inflatable rubber bar made
13:11
from whatever they could find on the ground.
13:12
We experimented with old
13:14
tires and we realized that the shape of them didn't
13:17
quite work. And so those
13:18
kind of covers that you put over the back
13:21
of a truck or a lorry,
13:22
you get the really thick stuff and compressed air,
13:24
which is locally available.
13:26
And that
13:27
rescue equipment has been used in many
13:29
rescues to bring people out of
13:32
rubble, including the most recent earthquake.
13:34
So Eric has built a network of people
13:36
who can fix or make important things
13:39
that are needed during a crisis.
13:41
Yeah, and it really is all kinds of different
13:44
projects. Everyone I really like was
13:46
a clever way to get kids at an Iraqi
13:48
refugee camp to wash their hands more.
13:50
What we did was
13:52
we had children come up with
13:54
ideas for different toys, toys
13:56
that are small enough to go inside
13:59
of soap. And that way, each
14:01
time they wash their hands, they're that much
14:03
closer to actually getting a toy. And
14:06
what we found was that there was a fourfold
14:08
increase in hand washing, which is
14:10
very significant.
14:13
Oh, I can see my kids really getting
14:15
into something like this. Yeah. Though
14:17
I should say that big effect wasn't found in a follow-up
14:20
study. Okay. Now, where do they
14:22
get all the money to do this? They
14:24
get various grants from governments and
14:26
foundations. The soaps were done
14:28
with Save the Children. And USAID
14:31
has recently funded a makerspace initiative
14:33
in the South Pacific. Just to explain, a
14:35
makerspace is like a workshop with tools
14:38
and machines where people can experiment and
14:40
design useful things. And in this
14:42
case, the things that they're designing can help during
14:45
disasters. Yes, and this one is
14:47
being tested in Fiji. Now, the
14:49
country often experiences cyclones and
14:51
they cause widespread devastation.
14:54
And what's great about this makerspace is that it's mobile.
14:57
So it can all be packed up in a shiny
14:59
metal trailer and towed behind a car
15:01
to where it's needed. Well,
15:04
my name is Marisiana Tafinino and
15:06
I am a field engineer at FieldRD. Our
15:09
makerspace is a workshop
15:12
on wheels. We
15:14
might have caused a bit of traffic, then
15:16
it has. The FieldRD team
15:19
were visiting the Loto village where the
15:21
locals are mostly fishermen and farmers. They
15:23
quickly worked out what needed fixing and replacing.
15:26
Our worshippers include gartering
15:29
fixings. So we have a garter machine
15:31
in our mobile makerspace. In addition,
15:33
we're also fixing the tanks, leaking
15:35
tanks for head rainwater harvesting.
15:38
They use the rainwater for drinking.
15:41
So they boil the water from the tank and
15:43
they use that for their drinking. They also use it for
15:46
washing and cooking. And
15:49
one of our major focus for this week
15:51
is the building of a latrine shelter.
15:53
So the good thing about
15:56
our shelter design is that you can
15:58
pick it apart and then... move it
16:00
elsewhere once the PPE is full.
16:04
While they make most things on site, the field latrines
16:06
are manufactured by a local Fijian company
16:09
and then they take those with them. And
16:11
what stage is all of this at? They've
16:13
tested it on three villages so far and
16:16
they say it's performed exceptionally well
16:18
on the ground and it could be ready to go into
16:20
the field at a moment's notice.
16:25
You're listening to People Fixing the World from
16:27
the BBC World Service and today we're
16:29
finding out about innovative ideas trying
16:31
to help people who've been affected by natural
16:34
disasters or conflicts. We've
16:36
just heard solutions that were created in
16:38
response to a crisis but Claire,
16:40
this next idea wasn't developed
16:43
in a disaster region. However,
16:45
it's hoped that it could help in dangerous
16:47
or delicate situations that people
16:49
can't reach. Yeah, sometimes casualties
16:52
are in areas that are just too hazardous
16:54
for medics to go into. I
16:57
went to Sheffield in the north of England to meet
16:59
the team behind a new kind of
17:01
rescuer.
17:05
So I'm standing in a
17:08
laboratory and right
17:10
in front of me is a, I guess
17:12
I call it a miniature tank with two
17:14
robot arms. It's kind of
17:16
slowly creeping towards me. Now
17:19
I'm here with Sam Hyde who
17:21
works at the University of Sheffield. Can
17:23
you explain to me what on earth it is I'm
17:25
looking at here?
17:26
Yeah, so it's a robotic platform
17:28
that's to be sent into hazardous environments
17:31
to provide medical assistance to
17:33
casualties. That
17:36
robotic
17:36
platform is a big bit of machinery,
17:39
about two metres long and one and a half
17:41
metres wide, covered in white plastic.
17:44
It has two long arms that can be moved around
17:46
independently using two controllers
17:49
and it travels forwards and backwards on caterpillar
17:51
tracks.
17:53
So the off-road capabilities
17:55
allow it to travel through kind of
17:58
deep mud through over-road. rocky terrain
18:01
across harsh environments.
18:03
So if there had been some kind of disaster,
18:06
like a chemical leak or a bomb threat
18:09
for instance, this
18:11
robot could go in where a human couldn't go
18:13
in? Exactly. So the idea
18:15
is you send in a robot where it's unsafe
18:18
to send another human being.
18:19
I can see there's a camera
18:22
in a ball at the top. What's
18:24
that?
18:24
So the system has a number of
18:26
cameras on it. The top one
18:29
is a 360 camera. There's
18:31
also robotic cameras built into the
18:33
arms. It's able
18:35
to pick up and use an auto injector
18:38
to provide medical assistance of painkillers
18:41
or drugs. It can pick up and use
18:44
a thermometer, so it's able to pick that
18:46
up, press the buttons and read out the display. We've
18:49
got a custom remote sensor that allows
18:51
you to probe the abdomen. And
18:53
then finally we've got a blood pressure cuff.
18:57
Claire, I have to start by asking, does this
18:59
robot have a name? Yeah it does.
19:02
It's a bit disappointing to be honest. It's called MEDITEL
19:04
and that stands for Medical Telepresence.
19:07
Okay. So anyway, you're
19:09
telling me that this robot can be driven
19:11
up to someone in need and
19:13
relay information back about how they're doing
19:16
and then be used to treat the person and all
19:18
of this remotely. That's really mind blowing.
19:21
I mean, how does it even get the blood
19:23
pressure cuff on the patient in the
19:25
first place? Well, I should say first, I
19:27
was looking at a prototype, so at one point
19:30
this happened.
19:32
I think it crashed.
19:36
Oh no, it crashed. Yeah, but after it
19:38
was rebooted, the team did get the cuff
19:40
on to the mannequin lying on the floor. But
19:43
sadly it didn't make much sound. So
19:45
to explain how it worked, imagine your
19:47
arms are the two robot arms for a moment. Now
19:50
the left one selects the tool while the right
19:52
one holds up the patient's arm and then they
19:54
work together to thread the pressure cuff
19:57
on. And here, how far away
19:59
can someone get? be and still control it.
20:01
When I was there the remote controller was only
20:04
about three meters away but Sam
20:06
said it could work up to a distance of three
20:08
kilometres as long as there were no buildings
20:11
in its path and I must say it wasn't
20:13
that difficult to get to grips with it. I
20:15
take it you had a go? Yeah I
20:17
yes I did. A lovely engineer
20:19
called Badler helped me out. First
20:22
he showed me two hand controllers that operated
20:24
the robotic arms. I then popped on
20:27
the VR headset and the screen relayed
20:29
a picture from the 360 camera which
20:31
was on board. I could see a mannequin
20:33
in front of me from the point of view of the
20:35
robot and I had to decide what
20:38
to do next.
20:40
So I'm quite keen actually to have
20:42
a go at doing an injection. There
20:45
we go so the arm is now coming down
20:48
and picking up in front of me the
20:51
injector and now I
20:53
presume this last quite sensitive bit
20:56
will be something that I take over and do
20:57
myself. Yes so you
20:59
can take control of the joysticks
21:01
in front of you. So I can go literally
21:04
downwards. I think I need to
21:06
have it tilted more
21:07
that way. If you keep pressing the button and
21:09
then if you tilt it this way.
21:11
Yeah here we go here we go this feels a bit
21:13
better. Yeah I think I
21:15
did it. I did it I gave the person an injection.
21:18
Wow okay and what's astonishing
21:20
about this is that I've just basically
21:23
told a robot how to give an injection
21:25
and it's done it in a completely separate location
21:28
to me.
21:32
Well well done Claire. Thanks very
21:34
much. Did it feel difficult? Yeah
21:37
well I must admit what you didn't hear was
21:39
the 10 minutes it took me to get to grips with the
21:41
controls. I kind of float and
21:43
move in all directions but I was
21:46
getting the hang of it at the end. Also
21:48
how is this robot powered? Yeah it uses
21:50
batteries and they make up nearly
21:52
half of the 450 kilogram
21:55
weight and I was told with those
21:57
it can operate for up to eight hours. clearly
22:00
limitations here plus of course it
22:02
did break down. Yeah I mean we must remember
22:05
though that it's a prototype so they
22:07
got just over half a million dollars in government
22:09
funding to make it and that meant they
22:12
used quite a few off-the-shelf parts.
22:14
So another issue is those parts aren't
22:17
waterproof. Oh okay so this wouldn't
22:19
work when it's raining or in
22:21
a place that's flooded. Yeah exactly but
22:24
it's still a pretty big achievement considering
22:26
their budget and the time frame of just nine
22:28
months and Sam thinks it's one-of-a-kind.
22:32
The idea is that the entire system
22:35
is the unique part the fact that it can
22:38
do ruggedized off-road movements
22:41
it has that
22:42
bi-manual dexterous intervention. We've
22:45
got a number of different sensors and systems
22:47
integrated in there has the capability
22:50
of using standard handheld tools.
22:53
These are all features that are probably
22:55
replicated across different systems but
22:58
don't necessarily exist in one single package.
23:01
They're hoping to get extra funding to develop
23:03
it further. I do think they need a better name
23:05
though. I do as well something like Doc
23:08
Botsky or I've been bandied
23:10
to bot I guess.
23:11
But Claire this is not the only
23:13
rule but in town is it? No
23:15
it's not so I looked around to see what was being developed
23:18
and at John Hopkins University in the US
23:21
they recently demonstrated how they could use
23:24
spots. That's a four-legged
23:26
robot dog from Boston Dynamics
23:28
to assist an army medic. So
23:30
this robot dog was carrying and fetching
23:33
and checking on casualties is kind of amazing.
23:36
There's also another one called Taurus
23:38
that was developed by a company called SRI
23:41
International and like the meditail
23:43
it's equipped with cameras and two robotic
23:45
arms that can be used to manipulate various
23:48
tools. However the video I
23:50
saw shows it being driven with a remote
23:52
control linked to the robot via a
23:54
long wire. Wow well I'm
23:56
sure we'll be looking at robots a bit
23:59
more in the program. But for today,
24:01
that's all we have time for and thank
24:03
you Claire for what we've heard. Thanks Myra. That
24:09
brings us to the end of this week's programme.
24:12
But go ahead and send me an email with any
24:14
thoughts you have about what you've heard today.
24:18
Just send the email to peoplefixingtheworld
24:21
at bbc.co.uk. And
24:23
of course join me again next week for more innovative
24:26
ideas trying to change our world.
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Sports Stories wherever you get your BBC
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podcasts.
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The Colorado River provides drinking
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water for nearly 40 million people
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across the wall. But with the
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ongoing mega drought, we're using
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more water than the river has to give.
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And private investors have discovered a financial
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windfall
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buying water rights.
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survive investigates who is cashing
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in on the climate crisis and what it
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means for the rest of us. Listen
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to How We Survive wherever you get
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