Today, I'm talking to Zachary Cox. Zac is a Ph.D. student in the Disaster Science and Management program at The University of Delaware, and since April 2020 he has interviewed almost 100 people from different walks of life to find out how they've been affected by and are responding to the disaster of the covid-19 pandemic. In our conversation today, Zac and I talk about what he's learned from these interviews, including learning to listen and lead with curiosity rather than assumptions. We also talk about the resilient kindness that has helped Zac get to this point in his PhD program, cultivated through his experiences with learning disabilities and being raised by a hardworking single mother. And, we discuss what we've struggled with and ways we've found solace throughout the pandemic.