Josh and Ryan discuss philosophy. First topic at hand is the nature of debate. We go over the necessity and the possible futility of debate. Debate gives us rational discussion, diplomacy, and helps us think better and more quickly. Futility is when we are attempting to debate people who are not interested in changing their minds, not interested in listening to topics they disagree with, or just wanting to talk over their opponents. We also discuss Trump and a few other newsbits.