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2:08

Hey folks, hello, and welcome

2:11

to Take Me Into the

2:14

Ballgame. Yeah,

2:21

Take Me To The Ballgame.

2:25

Ahhh. Yeah,

2:27

Gotta Come Style. Take

2:32

me into that gay B.O. baby.

2:36

That is Eric Gildee. Hi. And

2:38

my name is Ellen Adair. And we

2:40

are two actors who long ago decided

2:43

that we would watch baseball movies and

2:45

grade them on the 20 to 80

2:47

scouting scale, and that is what we

2:49

are doing to this day. Yeah, our

2:51

podcast is old now. It's like

2:53

walking around, making full sentences. It's

2:56

true, it's true. Getting into all kinds of

2:58

trouble, stinging its fingers in the electrical outlet.

3:00

We've tried to do pre-enrollment for kindergarten like

3:02

years ago at this point. It's so hard

3:05

in New York City. Oh, it would be

3:07

a podcast parent in the city. Ah,

3:10

indeed. So this week... Good

3:12

banter. Good banter. Or off to a great

3:14

start. So this week we are parenting

3:16

the film Baseball Girl.

3:31

Baseball Girl. This

3:33

is a movie that we've actually

3:36

kind of been circling for

3:38

a while. It came out in

3:40

2019. And

3:43

while we were sort of researching

3:45

possible baseball movies to do, this

3:48

popped up, I want to say, either late

3:50

2020 or sometime in the first part of

3:52

2021. And

3:55

it looked really cool, but it

3:57

was completely unavailable in the United

3:59

States. States. There's just like no way to

4:01

get it. And lo and behold not

4:03

that long ago just on

4:06

a whim we sent

4:08

a little wishful

4:10

search into the movie

4:13

seeking search bar and

4:16

there it was for purchase. It's

4:18

like five dollars. It's great. Yeah.

4:20

Buy this movie folks. This is a

4:22

part of the introduction. I don't care. It's good.

4:25

It's available and it's cheap.

4:27

Yeah. So that's honestly probably the

4:29

best way to start an intro

4:31

to this. But in addition to

4:33

that I will say that this 2019 film was written,

4:38

edited, and directed by Yuntai

4:41

Choi. And it

4:43

is his first and still

4:46

as of this recording only

4:48

feature film. It's astonishing.

4:51

Yeah. Because it's written,

4:54

directed, and edited so well.

4:56

It's put together so, and

4:58

I don't mean this as like an

5:01

insult, it's put together with like a

5:03

competence that it

5:05

was genuinely surprising to me to learn

5:07

that it was his first feature film.

5:09

Yeah. There's so much craftsmanship to it.

5:11

There's so much craftsmanship to it. And also

5:13

that he did all three

5:16

of those things. Yeah. Which

5:18

are, it's not impossible

5:20

but it is hard to be good

5:22

at all three of those things. Yeah. It's hard to

5:24

be good at one of them, you know. And so

5:26

being good at two, oh my

5:29

gosh, three. Get out of here.

5:32

I don't know what that sounds like. I

5:34

thought maybe that was your tongue rolling out

5:36

of your mouth like a cartoon wolf. Oh

5:40

yeah. One of

5:42

Eric's signature psychological gestures.

5:45

It's true. So this

5:48

tongue rollingly good director,

5:51

probably won't put that on the DVD box, had

5:54

a short film beforehand, which I tried

5:56

to find, but I couldn't Find it

5:58

online anywhere called... Knocking on the

6:01

door of your heart's document and

6:03

twenty six team. But yeah, that's

6:05

that's all that's on his I

6:07

M D be. At any rate,

6:09

So. This movie. Jews.

6:12

Who in. Is. A pitcher, At

6:15

her high school. And as had

6:17

much acclaim for her abilities. But.

6:19

It's just not good enough.

6:22

Why was she wants to

6:24

go pro and she's got

6:26

drive to get there but

6:29

she doesn't throw as hard

6:31

as the dudes and also

6:33

sexism and so. Aside

6:36

from joining the women's national team

6:38

which is more of an amateur

6:40

endeavor as a player so a

6:43

hobby thing that's going to cost

6:45

money as post something that you

6:47

can build a career off of

6:49

the adults around her including new

6:51

coach and former player who never

6:53

quite made it either Choi Jin

6:55

Tae. They think about. Well.

6:58

If you're not going to do that

7:00

the you need to give up on

7:02

this silly dream young lady. Things are

7:05

not great at home with her mom

7:07

being that dumb money minded, bread, earnings,

7:09

Person. With her job at

7:12

the The Boring Factory and

7:14

the dad still exploring their

7:17

yeah. Mike Us.

7:20

Citizen double shifts and the

7:22

dad keeps failing these tests

7:24

to get licensed as a.

7:27

Job. Having guys have some score

7:29

it. I don't know the we learn that

7:31

but I didn't actually need the information. It's

7:34

a were getting ahead of myself but you

7:36

know on try to say is that mom's

7:38

a patient long enough to send you to

7:40

get a job. So. There's all

7:42

this pressure, but you know what?

7:45

all this adversity might not be

7:47

enough to crush Syrians dreams just

7:49

gets. especially with that sweet sweet

7:51

spin rate that she's got. Oh

7:54

yeah is still can't throw as

7:56

hard as the fellas, but she

7:58

can spin that ball. And so

8:00

with some hard work and sports

8:02

movie stuff she you know keeps

8:05

on fighting. She gets a try

8:07

out for the Sk with Hearns

8:09

and we will leave it there

8:11

for now. but it's a it's

8:14

a very recognizable sports movie framework

8:16

yes, sort of adversity, story and

8:18

continuing to to push for the

8:20

thing that you believe. And even

8:23

though it's monumentally hard and and

8:25

and nobody around you really. Truly.

8:28

Thinks that you can do

8:30

it despite their admiration for

8:32

your drive. Yeah, oh. Oh.

8:35

What to pump any aspersions on

8:37

the Summer He said he has

8:39

done for all sixty whatever of

8:41

the other episodes that we've done.

8:44

I think it's seventy something now. Right? The

8:46

yet seventy some Hints numbers. At least

8:48

are using seventy two? maybe? Ah, As

8:51

I think that's the best summary.

8:53

Read. That you've ever done. He

8:55

serious. I just fell. Good it

8:57

compels need to tell our audience

9:00

something that they might not know.

9:02

which is said. Eric Guild eat

9:05

once did a Radio Heineken commercial.

9:07

I owe. You have to have

9:09

an honest and all voiceover artist

9:11

Eric guilty over here. I have

9:13

gotten a a Zed or to.

9:16

Some. Of those sweet sweet residual

9:18

checks. Listens and more. more voiceover

9:20

commercials and I've ever booked. The

9:22

best part of that which I've

9:25

mentioned alan a couple times but

9:27

I will tell you lovely podcast

9:29

listeners the best part of it

9:31

was they were recording the like

9:33

sound of enjoying a sip of

9:36

your Heineken and that involved in

9:38

my you know. Thirty

9:40

minutes or whatever. like

9:42

recording session. About five

9:45

minutes of just being

9:47

like gas. Masks.

9:51

Too. late that the like okay

9:53

cool give me five more and now like do

9:55

it this way do it that way and so

9:57

is this me standing in a booth been like

10:00

Oh, ah, and

10:02

that paid my rent for a couple months. Dave,

10:05

you got so many skills. You

10:08

got so many skills. Oh

10:10

yeah, these two. Heil-ick, buddy.

10:15

Yes, I always say for myself, I do identify

10:17

as a single threat. I

10:19

also, brief PSA, I am sick,

10:21

so sometimes when I laugh, I

10:23

weed, and I just apologize, that's

10:26

just the way it's gonna be for

10:28

this particular podcast. You don't mean like

10:30

early 90s skateboarders slang. You are ill.

10:33

I am, yes, yes. Just for people who might be

10:35

on the fence about what that might have meant. Yeah,

10:37

which, ill also, of course, is something

10:40

of its own kind. You got a license, still?

10:43

No. Okay, well, I'll let

10:45

you go with the warning. Okay, thanks, officer.

10:47

All right, if you are just joining us for baseball

10:50

girls. I was gonna be pulling a lamp, sorry.

10:52

Wanted to beat the light, you know, makes it

10:54

above board. If you were

10:56

just joining us for baseball girl and you are

10:59

not familiar with the 2280 scouting scale, the

11:02

most important thing to know about this

11:04

scale is that 50 is average. However,

11:06

that is an average major league player.

11:09

So generally, when you're grading a player,

11:11

you're talking about a minor league player.

11:13

So if they are going to reach

11:15

the major leagues, have the skill to

11:17

be a competent major leaguer in whatever

11:20

tool that might be, you know, hit,

11:23

power, speed, et cetera. They're

11:25

fast ball, they're knuckle ball, they're

11:28

change up. 50,

11:30

average but good average. Oh yeah,

11:33

good average. Good average. Like

11:37

a ballpark Frank. Yeah, nice,

11:39

nice. I don't think I'm gonna

11:41

continue the hot dog metaphor. Great, great, great. However,

11:44

below 50, below average. So

11:47

45 is like fringy

11:50

but can play. 40 is gonna

11:52

be up and down. And we're not talking

11:54

fringy like Kelly Leakes leather jacket to

11:57

end the bad news bears in breaking

11:59

trading. Yeah. Like on the fringes

12:01

of being a Major League Baseball

12:03

player. Yeah. 30

12:05

and 20 is obviously like this person does

12:07

not have this skill to varying degrees. On

12:10

the other end, 55 above

12:13

average, better, should be better than your

12:15

average Major League player. Oh

12:17

yeah. 60 is excellent. 70

12:19

is like a superstar

12:21

and 80 is like a Hall of

12:24

Fame level talent in this particular skill.

12:26

Yeah. And it's

12:28

an interesting conversation within this

12:30

film too, because Suyin is

12:33

a female player who throws a

12:36

very respectable for a female

12:38

baseball player, like 130 kilometers per hour

12:42

fastball, which is in

12:45

would be like probably like a

12:47

60 or a 70 for a female player. Yes.

12:50

But part of the tension of the movie

12:52

is that she's sort of being judged in

12:55

a different way based on like the perpetual

12:58

desire for, you

13:00

know, beefy flamethrower guys. Yes.

13:03

Yes. Yes. Which

13:05

we all know all about. Or tall, lanky flamethrower guys. Yes. Also

13:09

acceptable. Flamethrowers. Have to

13:11

be one of the other. Flamethrowers of all body types. Yes. They're

13:13

all welcome. Yes. If they're

13:15

a little short to like Yoshino Wuhu Yamamoto, okay

13:18

fine. We'll give you some money. But

13:21

it is one of the cooler things like in

13:24

the movie, sort of that discussion.

13:26

That particular discussion. Indeed. So

13:29

a quick note just to say that things have

13:31

changed and we are not doing two sections anymore.

13:34

We are going back to our old order and

13:36

format. Yeah. We're just, we've been

13:38

going back and forth and there were lots

13:40

of reasons for kind of tweaking. It

13:43

has to do with what the advertisers want. Just... Yeah. And

13:46

we're just kind of rolling with it and we are

13:48

happy to do it this way and

13:50

we'll see what the future holds. Indeed. Yeah.

13:53

You know, every episode is its own masterful,

13:56

self-contained piece of art.

13:59

And so... And I think we've

14:01

proved that we're flexible, you know? Yeah,

14:03

it's like people being like, oh Picasso, you didn't

14:05

use any blue in this one. Yeah, I know.

14:08

Yeah, that was from my blue period.

14:10

Yeah. Hashtag

14:13

art joke. We

14:15

are potentially exiting our two-part

14:17

episode period, brief as

14:19

it was. We experimented

14:22

a little. But there could be Renaissance.

14:24

Yeah, one never knows, yes indeed. So

14:27

the first thing that we are going

14:29

to discuss today is amount of baseball.

14:31

Correct. Yes, bingo.

14:35

And you know, I do

14:37

actually have things to say. I'm not just stalling

14:39

here. It sounds like I am. We

14:42

get a

14:44

good amount of baseball

14:47

activity and not

14:50

an overwhelming amount of baseball.

14:53

We get a lot of practice in this

14:55

film. And a lot

14:57

of it actually doesn't even involve a catcher.

14:59

It's a lot of throwing at like targets.

15:03

And that often has to

15:05

do with moments where Suyin

15:07

is trying to increase

15:10

her velocity. And

15:12

so is, you know, like throwing

15:14

while like weighted and like

15:16

just really, you know, trying

15:18

to put all that

15:20

extra oomph into her shoulder or

15:22

delt or whatever. And

15:26

obliques, see me naming muscles. Ladder

15:31

is Dorsey. Yes, excellent. So

15:34

important question. Do you consider if

15:37

Suyin is just throwing at

15:40

a target? Does that count

15:42

as an amount of baseball? I

15:44

think it's like, you know,

15:46

I do think that some of it is contextual,

15:49

which we have talked about before. Like

15:51

there is some wiggle room given to

15:53

like whether it is

15:55

satisfying or whether it is, I

15:59

don't know, an important moment. moment in the movie.

16:02

And so it's ever present here,

16:04

but there, like there's

16:06

too much of it to like discount of

16:08

like all of these scenes of them training

16:10

and be like, yeah, but that's not actually

16:13

baseball. To me. Yes, I

16:15

agree with you. So frequently I

16:17

have required a bat and ball or

16:19

a bat and glove to count something

16:22

as an instance of baseball. But I

16:24

just want to be clear that in

16:26

this film, for me, suing throwing a

16:28

ball max effort against defense or players

16:30

trying to throw it to hit cloth

16:33

targets does count for me. Yeah.

16:36

However, The cloth targets will

16:38

not be assessed in delightfulness of catcher. Will

16:40

not be assessed in delightfulness of catcher. Just

16:43

we just want to get that in front of

16:45

that problem here. We know that that's

16:47

a deal breaker. We just want to give you a heads up

16:49

right now. Exactly. You can quit. You can quit listening right now

16:53

because we know that we were going to get that

16:55

question a lot. Yeah. However, I

16:57

did decide that coach

16:59

Jinte casually tossing a baseball up and

17:02

catching it in his office does not

17:04

count. I mean, we don't, we don't

17:06

need to see it. But the difference

17:09

here is are we seeing baseball effort

17:11

or is this just like a physical

17:13

baseball being in a shot? But

17:16

like if we're seeing pitching motion, if

17:18

we're seeing pitching intention, I think it

17:20

counts. There's one scene where he's

17:22

alone in the training facilities and he does

17:24

actually throw a pitch. And I would say

17:26

that that does count. That counts for me.

17:28

Even though, you know, not

17:31

to step on baseball accuracy too much.

17:33

That actor I think is not as

17:35

good at throwing a baseball as Lee

17:37

Joo Young, who is the lead in

17:39

this movie, which I

17:42

should have mentioned in the introduction. But

17:44

she is a lot of her pitches are,

17:47

you know, you really see her throw and she does

17:49

a good job of it. And I think the one

17:51

time that the coach does it, he's like a little

17:53

bit in the background and it's not like super well

17:55

it like it. It's not awful,

17:58

but you can just tell that. he

18:00

was never in an actual like picture

18:02

in real life. Yes, 100%. You

18:05

can tell that. Other than that, like we do get we get

18:07

a number of there

18:09

is some baseball game

18:12

stuff, but like mostly there's

18:14

kind of like a series of like

18:17

at bats that we see her with,

18:19

right? Like there's the kind of like

18:21

table setter guy that she throws against

18:24

to try to like prove herself to

18:26

the coach and she like gets

18:29

him down like O2 and

18:31

then he whispers some advice into his

18:33

ear and and just like crushes the

18:35

next pitch that she throws. Yeah, we'll

18:37

talk about that in the future. And

18:39

there's a moment where the

18:42

catcher friend, Zhong

18:44

Ho, is like

18:47

helping her out and she's like trying to

18:49

learn the knuckleball and there's like good training

18:51

sequences too as she's like trying to develop

18:53

the off-speed stuff. Classic training sequences. And he

18:56

connects with her. There's a game that she

18:58

pitches in where we see her do well,

19:00

but then we also get some information that

19:02

she gave up eight hits, but we don't

19:05

see that. We just kind of see her

19:07

doing well and then the the tryout kind

19:09

of at the end. And

19:13

so there's a decent between

19:15

that and all of the practice

19:18

stuff. There is quite a bit

19:20

here and it is always pretty

19:22

present, but there's

19:25

little in the way of like big

19:27

game suspense stuff.

19:30

The tryout with the Wivens at the end does

19:33

like have some of that for sure, but

19:36

it's it's more rather than big moments

19:38

in baseball games. I think these are

19:40

all sort of seen as like individual

19:43

trials to the individual player and like

19:45

the the larger outcome of the game

19:48

or dynamics within the team aren't really

19:50

that explored. So it's baseball, but it's

19:52

but it's not like there's

19:55

not a lot of like full baseball depicted.

19:57

Yes, yes, like many of the instances of baseball

19:59

aren't about. competition and they don't have sort

20:01

of moment to moment stakes. I would say

20:03

with the exception, obviously of the tryout scene

20:05

at the end, which is awesome. And then

20:08

there is the one baseball game, which also

20:10

has the additional stakes of the other coach

20:12

is watching the other coach. Yeah.

20:15

And and the tryout also has

20:17

another player who is a batter named

20:20

Jamie who like has some at bats.

20:22

And there's during that tryout sequence, we

20:24

see like a couple of pitchers throw,

20:26

we see a couple of people taking

20:28

at bats. It's probably the closest thing

20:30

that we get to an actual game,

20:32

even though there is an actual game

20:34

in part of this. But that's mostly

20:36

to show that, you know, is she

20:38

going to hold her own? Is she

20:40

going to get these outs? Yeah,

20:42

for me, what this movie is, is

20:45

incredibly consistent. So

20:48

it's a decent number of instances

20:50

of baseball as I counted 10.

20:53

But they're also incredibly evenly

20:55

spaced. We get baseball seven

20:58

minutes into the film. And then after

21:00

that, you never go more than about

21:02

12 minutes without there

21:04

being another instance of baseball. Yeah.

21:07

Oddly, the longest time without baseball is the

21:09

very end of the film. So after the

21:11

tryout sequence ends, there's about 20 minutes of

21:13

film left. And we do end with a

21:16

shot in a baseball stadium, which is lovely,

21:18

but there's no actual baseball being played. So

21:21

I think it's more like you

21:24

can count on this movie to

21:27

hit 240 every month. And

21:30

like you can count on a baseline

21:32

quality start most times out,

21:35

but like it is three earned runs.

21:39

And that consistency is an asset. But there

21:41

is also because of what the

21:43

instances of baseball are.

21:46

There's a kind of a ceiling on

21:48

what the amount of baseball goodness is

21:50

that we get. I'm still

21:53

kind of tempted to go with

21:55

a 60. That's fair. 55 feels

21:57

like is that maybe more

21:59

right? But I do think with

22:02

a little bit of consideration

22:05

of like the context and the quality,

22:07

although it does have a lower ceiling

22:10

just because of the nature of what

22:12

it is that we're getting out of

22:14

it, I do think that it is

22:16

of a good enough quality and actually

22:18

is in aid of a

22:20

number of like kind

22:23

of nuanced storytelling points that it is ultimately

22:25

satisfying without that. So even if it's maybe

22:27

rounding up a little bit, I think I'm

22:29

gonna go with the 60. I

22:32

completely hear you because I am between

22:34

a 55 and

22:36

a 60 myself despite the thing that I said.

22:39

Because I do think that the consistency

22:41

of it is exceptional.

22:44

It's rare to have a

22:47

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22:49

you. It

22:51

makes you feel secure. Baseball's

22:53

never that far away. It's

22:55

true. So I think I'm

22:57

gonna also go 60. I'm

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24:04

So our next tool

24:06

is baseball accuracy. And

24:09

this film opens with

24:12

the contention that there

24:14

is no specific rule banning

24:16

women from playing on men's

24:18

teams in Korea. And

24:21

I spent a lot of

24:23

time trying to figure out if

24:26

I could definitively confirm or

24:28

deny this. And it's going to be both.

24:30

Did you? Okay, I was going to say, did you also? Yeah.

24:33

Did you find an absolute confirmation

24:35

or denial? No, I found no confirmation

24:38

or denial. I found no kind of

24:40

air bud rule. Right. Most

24:43

of the stuff that I found about this

24:45

confirming it has to do with this movie

24:47

with the writer saying that the idea came

24:49

to him when he learned that women are

24:51

not specifically banned from playing in the KBA.

24:55

But of course, there is no longer

24:57

a rule specifically banning women from playing

24:59

in MLB either. There was

25:01

for many decades, but that was lifted at

25:03

a sort of similar time. That doesn't mean

25:06

obviously that it has happened or that it

25:08

is like imminently happening.

25:11

Yeah. A lot

25:13

of the research that I attempted

25:15

kept pointing me back to a

25:17

player, Kim Rak-hyun. I don't know

25:19

if you came across her as

25:21

well. I did. She

25:23

was 21 when this

25:26

interview that I saw in

25:28

the Korea Jun-ang Daily was

25:31

published, but I think she's more like mid

25:33

20s now, 24, 25, something like that. She

25:37

made a name for herself back in

25:39

2015 when she became the youngest

25:42

person ever to

25:44

join Korea's national women's

25:46

baseball team. She was 15 at the time. Yes,

25:50

crazy. She was also the

25:52

first female player to play in

25:55

the Korean University League, which

25:57

was a really, really big deal. and

26:00

made headlines at the

26:03

Women's Baseball World Cup in 2016

26:05

by throwing baseballs that went

26:08

upwards of 110 km per hour. So

26:14

Sue in this movie tops out

26:16

at like in the low 130s.

26:19

I can't remember the highest number that we see. I think

26:22

134 is the highest. And

26:25

110 is around 68 miles per hour. But

26:29

even then a lot of the stuff

26:31

that I read about her was really

26:33

about like trying for

26:35

there to be professional

26:37

women's baseball in Korea as

26:40

opposed to the notion

26:42

of integrating female players within the

26:44

larger sport dominated by men. Yes,

26:47

I found that she created a women's

26:49

baseball team called Just Do Baseball to

26:52

create more opportunities for women. And

26:54

also I saw somewhere that her fastball tops out at

26:56

118 km per hour. Oh

26:59

wow. Well I think what I

27:01

read maybe was just like this is what happened

27:04

during the World Cup. So maybe since then. So

27:08

for context, just when we're talking about

27:10

Sue in being able to throw 130

27:12

km per hour, that

27:16

is about 80 miles an hour. And

27:18

when she says in the movie that she wants to

27:20

throw 150 km per hour, that's a little over

27:24

93 miles an hour. So

27:26

yes. Yeah. And

27:28

the executive at the Wyverns after

27:30

her tryout, again pushing the like

27:32

we need these fireball

27:35

guys even mentions selling

27:37

your soul for someone who can throw like 160,

27:40

which is like right around 100.

27:44

Yeah. Interestingly, this slightly different

27:46

research, the fastest female pitcher

27:48

can actually throw a little

27:50

faster than the fictional Sue

27:53

in. Oh nice. Our hero. Good

27:55

for her. Yes. Genevieve Beecombe,

27:58

the Australian pitcher who went to

28:00

trade athletics. and throws 86 miles

28:02

an hour with a great curveball.

28:04

And, you know, look, it worked

28:06

for Jason Vargas, you know? Adam

28:08

Wainwright makes it work. But

28:11

I also want to note that being able

28:13

to throw 80 miles an hour would make

28:15

anyone a very good high school

28:18

pitcher, which is, of course, what she is

28:20

at the start of this film, where

28:22

feeds are generally more like 75 to 85. Yeah,

28:25

yeah. And there is a

28:28

lot of interest among women

28:30

in baseball in Korea. They're, I think,

28:32

are, you know, somewhere in the vicinity,

28:34

probably more at this point, of like

28:37

a thousand players spread across like 47

28:39

was the last number I saw. Amateur

28:43

teams, they're very

28:45

well represented in the fandom, in

28:48

KBO games. There's just not

28:50

this professional women's league.

28:53

So a lot of really talented

28:55

players, aside from doing things like

28:57

representing Korea, like

28:59

in the World Cup,

29:02

the Asian Cup, various

29:04

tournament type things like

29:06

that. The professional women's

29:08

leagues are really like Japan and

29:11

Australia. And like players

29:13

with that level of talent often

29:15

just go to those leagues. That's

29:17

what Kim Rak-hyung did. He was

29:19

playing in Japan during that interview

29:21

time. I also want to just

29:24

briefly shout out Kelsey Whitmore, who is

29:26

a two way player for the Atlantic

29:28

League's Staten Island Fairy Hawks, who I

29:30

feel like I might have elided earlier

29:32

when I was like, obviously, there's no

29:34

one close to doing that for MLB.

29:37

I mean, I just I

29:39

don't want to leave her out. Yeah,

29:41

yeah, definitely not. So in

29:43

this movie, in the first

29:45

scene where Suin tries to show the

29:47

coach Jintae what she can do, my

29:50

first thought was that she didn't even get any

29:53

warm up tosses. No one

29:55

ever gets warm up tosses in baseball movies

29:57

ever. Yeah. Yeah,

29:59

really? It doesn't happen, does it? Yeah. And

30:02

you were referencing this earlier. I had

30:04

a slight query of using table setter

30:07

to describe the guy that Sue and

30:09

asks to face off against her. Yeah.

30:12

Which that sounds like you're one whole

30:15

guy. And like, unless we're talking about

30:17

Kyle Schwaber, which I'm on the records

30:19

as saying, I wish he did not

30:21

read off. Kyle, stay away

30:23

from this table. Yes.

30:25

Then if it was your two or three hole

30:27

hitter, that might be more impressive. Plus the point

30:30

is really like this guy gets on base no

30:32

matter how. This is just also,

30:34

sorry, I'm getting caught up with the

30:36

idea of Kyle Schwaber in

30:39

full uniform very carefully trying to set

30:41

a table. Oh my gosh.

30:44

Adorable. Yes. Moving

30:46

the salad fork in. Yeah, but like

30:48

wearing batting gloves, obviously. Obviously

30:50

wearing the batting gloves. Yeah, because you don't want to hurt yourself

30:54

on the little tongs

30:56

for your individual ice

30:59

cubes for your cocktails. It'd be so delightful

31:01

and so much fine china would be broken,

31:03

I think. It would be wonderful. Yes.

31:06

Speaking of injuring your hands.

31:08

Oh, nice. Wow. Her

31:11

bloody hands. Hold on by with that segue.

31:14

From zzzz. Her

31:16

bloody hands from throwing so much. Look.

31:19

As nasty. Yeah.

31:21

Also, I don't think so. When

31:25

the coach comes to toss a ball

31:27

and sort of be like, oh, yep,

31:29

I'm still also not a professional pitcher.

31:32

But I remember what it's like to throw a

31:34

baseball and to be a kid with dreams. And

31:37

then he looks down at that big

31:39

thing of baseballs and they're all like,

31:41

they're like a step and a half

31:43

removed from like a horror movie prop.

31:45

Yes. And like,

31:47

number one, that's gross. Number

31:50

two. Unidentic. That wipe

31:52

off your bloody baseball, Sue.

31:55

Yeah. Also, if anything, it

31:57

would be an issue with blisters and the.

32:00

of the fingers, not this kind

32:02

of like theatrical blood all over

32:04

the hands. And also when

32:06

you see that her hand is all

32:08

taped up in the scene, it's most

32:11

specifically the scene where like she's putting

32:13

her hand next to the hand of

32:15

her like friend who probably has a

32:18

crush on her. Those feel

32:20

like totally nonsensical bandages. You'd

32:22

have blisters on the pads of

32:24

your fingers, maybe alongside the nail on

32:26

your middle or ring finger. Obviously,

32:29

batters can get their whole hands torn

32:31

up, but this is

32:33

picture specific. Yeah, and especially since

32:36

she's been working at

32:39

developing a knuckleball and there's like

32:41

the stuff of the- I

32:44

think the blood is mostly before the knuckleball. Yeah,

32:46

I guess there was just like a part of me

32:48

that was like, wouldn't it be interesting if in the

32:50

midst of this, like there was also one of the,

32:53

like the, maybe it would be stupid

32:55

if it's like, oh, a woman broke a nail. And

32:57

so that screwed up the knuckleball. Like if that would

32:59

be like a scene is sort

33:01

of like a sexist thing or whatever. I

33:03

don't know. There was just something about how

33:06

the thing that we were watching her do

33:08

just seemed like sort of separate

33:10

from the injuries she had at a certain

33:12

point. There was some like overlap in that

33:15

that didn't quite, I didn't

33:17

quite buy, but I think some of that might

33:19

also have to do with the fact that there

33:22

is honestly one of

33:24

the bigger inaccuracies, if you can

33:26

call it that in

33:28

this movie is this notion

33:31

that she has of like, I

33:34

want to be a better pitcher and I

33:36

want to pitch faster. So what I'm going

33:38

to do is get a bucket of like

33:41

500 baseballs and I'm

33:43

just going to throw them as hard as

33:45

I can as fast as I can. Sort

33:47

of seemed like she would have been injured

33:50

about 25 times using

33:52

that training strategy over the

33:55

course of however many couple of months this movie

33:57

takes place. Yeah, like when the coach says to

33:59

her, You strain your arm too

34:01

much. That's why it hurts. Like, no,

34:04

it hurts because this movie depicts you

34:06

as throwing at least 100 max

34:09

effort pitches every day. Everyone's

34:11

arm is going to hurt at that point, no

34:13

matter what their mechanics are. He's like,

34:15

sue in de grom or something. Seriously,

34:17

yes. Yes. You're

34:21

not going to make it into

34:23

like, May with

34:26

that kind of exertion and form,

34:28

to be honest. Yeah,

34:31

there's also, I was a little annoyed and

34:33

I can't remember if I thought of this

34:35

initially as more of a storytelling thing, but

34:37

when she gets the tryout and he's like,

34:40

now the training begins and I'm like, the

34:42

tryout's a month away. Why weren't

34:44

you doing this like, waddle up the

34:47

stairs thing the whole time? You can't

34:49

gain that much strength in a month.

34:51

You need time for your muscles to

34:53

heal themselves and repair in

34:56

order to get stronger. Yeah. I

34:58

do want to note that the importance

35:00

of suing having a good spin rate

35:03

is legit. Yeah. A good spin

35:05

on a fastball is, if

35:07

folks are baseball fans but don't know

35:09

this specifically, is what causes it to

35:11

appear to rise to the batter or

35:14

more accurately simply not sink as

35:16

much. So a fastball thrown with

35:19

less spin will sink as

35:21

it approaches the plate and it's what

35:23

gives, for example, sunny gray

35:25

is fastball, it's effectiveness, which is 37th

35:27

percentile in speed at 93 miles an

35:30

hour, but

35:33

97th percentile in spin at around

35:35

2500. Ends

35:37

up meaning things like an

35:40

88th percentile ideal contact rate.

35:42

Obviously, thanks to picture list

35:44

player pages for these stats.

35:46

Yes! On the other hand, I

35:50

do want to say that I feel like

35:52

this movie just kind of threw this in

35:54

without a full understanding. Because to

35:56

have good spin, there's wrist and

35:58

hand movement, obviously. But you also

36:01

have to have really excellent mechanics. And

36:03

the way that the movie has Coach

36:06

Jinte like tweaking her mechanics in this,

36:09

I mean, in my opinion, totally ham-fisted way,

36:12

would suggest that her mechanics aren't

36:14

great, which seems like it

36:16

would be hard to have good spin in that case.

36:19

Yeah. I kind of bundled

36:21

that with the same kind of observation

36:24

that you've got this

36:27

young woman pitching, throwing,

36:29

topping out, you know, right around 80 miles

36:32

an hour. But she's got good

36:34

spin rate. It sure seems like it takes

36:36

a long time for the coach to arrive

36:38

at the conclusion, you should

36:40

focus on pitching off speed stuff. Yes.

36:43

It seems like it takes a really

36:45

long time. Yes. Yeah.

36:49

Like, that shouldn't be like a Eureka light bulb moment, but

36:51

it feels like it kind of is. And

36:54

even in that very first moment

36:56

in the movie where the head

36:59

coach of the school, Coach Park, I think his

37:01

name is, is like, she's

37:03

got a good spin rate. The way

37:05

that it came out, I

37:07

think you and I both basically like looked

37:10

at each other and we're like, well, well,

37:12

well. Yeah, exactly. But

37:14

also because like, obviously, that's like where it was going

37:16

to be going. But yeah. I

37:19

mean, what I do appreciate is

37:22

that at least it is an

37:24

approach change that it is about

37:26

giving her another pitch. Sure.

37:29

Right. But I'm like, that

37:31

would have been enough. Like we didn't need

37:33

to see her changing her mechanics or something

37:36

like that, because then it wouldn't make

37:38

any sense that she has good spin. Yeah.

37:40

Like it should just be, we need to work

37:43

on this new pitch. I know you probably never

37:45

thought about throwing a knuckleball because it's for injured

37:47

pitchers. I do also sort

37:49

of wish that there had been at least

37:51

some focus on the rest of her pitches,

37:54

which we suddenly learned she has in her

37:56

tryout at the end. Oh, yeah. Like

37:58

she's got a slider. Like. She's got a... Yeah,

38:01

I think she has a slider and a curve ball. And

38:03

a curve ball, yeah. I mean, it's

38:06

important to note that the notion that

38:08

she could succeed with basically just a

38:10

knuckleball and a slow fastball is not

38:12

crazy if the knuckleball is

38:14

really, really good. Like, that's R.A. Dickey.

38:16

He only threw his fastballs 10 to

38:18

20% of the time over his

38:20

career and it was like 82 to 84 miles an hour. So

38:24

if she had even a passable curve

38:26

and a slider, even just his show

38:28

me pitches, it could work. I

38:30

mean, she'd have to be a knuckleball genius, obviously,

38:32

but it could work. Yeah, a little bit

38:34

of an accuracy thing. Like, this is,

38:37

in some ways, a storytelling compliment, but there is

38:39

an accuracy element to it that I was just

38:41

sort of like, hmm, I don't know, really? Which

38:44

was that the Japanese teacher at

38:46

the school who sort of becomes

38:48

a brief advocate for the women's

38:50

national baseball team, because she happens

38:52

to be a member of it,

38:54

she's helping in one of the

38:56

training sessions and is acting as

38:58

a catcher, and

39:01

Sue-In throws the knuckleball

39:03

and this teacher who's on the women's

39:06

national baseball team is like, what

39:08

kind of a bitch is that? I could barely

39:10

even catch it. And it's like, I

39:12

get that they do establish that

39:14

trying to be a knuckleballer

39:17

is non-traditional,

39:19

unexpected, maybe something you don't see a lot

39:21

of, but it's hard for me to believe

39:23

that you would be like, what is this

39:25

magical pitch that just got thrown at me?

39:28

Which you do get a little bit of

39:30

a vibe of. That said, I do think

39:32

that those things are kind of dropped in

39:34

every now and then pretty well to kind

39:36

of help tell the story of her

39:39

doing something different that maybe could

39:41

help her out. Similarly, the catcher

39:43

and the tryout switching gloves, which

39:46

was just like a quick way of being like, oh, she's

39:48

throwing knuckleballs, I need a different glove for this. That's just

39:50

like what you gotta do. Yeah, no, I

39:52

thought that moment was great. Which was great. But

39:55

they're kind of hand in hand and the other

39:58

one, I just didn't land on it. as

40:00

well for me because it felt inaccurate. Yeah, I

40:03

mean another catcher moment that I

40:05

had a problem with is in

40:07

the actual game and

40:09

I feel like this is our second

40:11

movie in a row litigating catcher signs but

40:14

we get this moment where the catcher indicates

40:16

a two and then we see her

40:18

digging in with the knuckleball grip like

40:21

nope two is obviously a curveball

40:23

which we learn later in the movie

40:25

she does have so at the

40:27

time I was like is this just one is

40:29

fastball two is knuckleball no she has a curveball

40:31

so it would be a five. And eight

40:33

is dipsy doodle. Eight is dipsy doodle.

40:36

I think however my biggest

40:39

knuckleball moment problem was

40:42

when the coach tells

40:44

her everything wrong about how to

40:46

throw a knuckleball. His

40:51

advice on how to throw a knuckleball you

40:53

dig your fingers below the seams

40:56

and push the ball out zero

40:58

percent right both wrong

41:01

and she's also pictured with her fingers on

41:03

the seam. So you actually want your fingers

41:06

behind the seam not touching the seam at

41:08

all you don't want your thumb on the

41:10

bottom touching any of the seams either. Yeah

41:12

and you don't

41:14

want to push the ball if you do like

41:16

it might wiggle a little bit but it won't

41:18

have the real swerve that a good knuckleball needs

41:20

you have to throw it and just let go

41:22

of all of your fingers at the same time

41:24

so that it floats and that is part of

41:26

what makes it so hard to throw a

41:29

knuckleball. Yeah I know he's supposed to be

41:31

a good coach but he's also not a

41:33

good coach. Yeah no it kind of reminded

41:35

me I don't I should have looked up

41:38

the specifics but like I feel like there's

41:40

a moment in aunt mary where she's teaching

41:42

a kid how to throw like a slider

41:45

or something and it's not a good description.

41:47

Yeah that kid's gonna get very hurt. Yeah

41:49

hurt and also not throw a good slider

41:51

like that that child should not be throwing

41:53

a slider at their age regardless but that's

41:56

not even the way to do it. Yeah

41:58

the movie does end with her. trying

42:00

out for the SK Wyverns. However,

42:02

in 2021, that team changed its name from

42:07

the SK Wyverns to the

42:09

SSG Landers after

42:11

the department store chain Shin

42:14

Segei bought the team

42:16

from the SK group. The Wyverns

42:18

had been around since 2000 and

42:21

won league championships in 2007, 2008, and 2010. They

42:27

also won in 2022 as the Landers. You

42:30

know, on the one hand, it's

42:33

not as cool of a team name. Like

42:35

seriously, if you are a sports team and

42:38

you are named after a type of

42:41

dragon, then like you don't need

42:43

to change your team name in my humble

42:45

opinion. I thought it was the Wyverns, but I don't

42:47

know that I'm right. Oh yeah, I might

42:49

not be saying it right. And I mean,

42:51

I'm an NC Dynos fan, so like whatever. Well,

42:53

there you go, there you go. But anyway,

42:55

it's just like a cool dragon name regardless. Even

42:57

if I've been saying it incorrectly my entire

42:59

life. But one thing about the

43:01

Landers, they do have kind of like a cool like

43:04

sort of UFO logo that I kind of like. They

43:06

also have, it is

43:09

worth mentioning some cool like green

43:11

initiatives, which I think is kind of

43:13

cool. Some of it stuff like that,

43:15

you know, you're like, oh yeah, that's

43:17

good and everybody should do that.

43:19

Electric bullpen carts and like

43:21

solar panels and eco-friendly machines.

43:24

But they also have been known to do like discounted

43:27

tickets for people who show up to the stadium on

43:29

their bikes. And like they

43:32

even made uniforms from recycled

43:34

polyester, which

43:38

at the center spot of the uniform said instead

43:41

of the team name said, let's go green,

43:43

which is cool. I think it was a

43:46

special event type thing. So

43:48

I don't know how exactly

43:50

you make the

43:53

conservation argument, even if it's

43:55

made from recycled material to

43:57

make uniforms that are worn.

44:00

just like for a game or two.

44:02

Truth. But hard in the

44:04

right place and I think it is,

44:06

I think it's cool, a cool gesture

44:08

and good to be using some of

44:10

that platform to raise awareness for good

44:12

things. Yeah, I didn't know

44:14

anything about any of that and I

44:17

am so delighted to know it and

44:19

grateful for your research. Yeah. So

44:21

at the end of this movie,

44:24

she does make it

44:26

to the minor league team

44:28

for the Wyverns slash Wyverns.

44:31

And for folks who might be curious

44:33

about the minor league system for the

44:35

KBO, my research seems to suggest that

44:37

each team has one minor league affiliate.

44:40

So essentially, she's going straight to

44:42

AAA. Yeah. The

44:45

name of their minor league is

44:47

the Futures League, which I think

44:49

is cute. I

44:52

do have one other

44:54

tiny baseball nerd quibble,

44:56

which is in the tryout. Her

44:59

pitch speed separation doesn't seem quite

45:01

right to me. Okay.

45:03

So if she throws a fastball at 134

45:06

kilometers an hour, that would be 83 miles

45:08

an hour, then

45:12

her slider comes in at 72 miles an

45:14

hour. I'm just going to convert

45:16

these to the miles an hour that we all understand.

45:19

So her slider comes in at 72

45:22

miles an hour and her curveball at

45:24

63 miles an hour, that seems a bit

45:26

sharp to me. Like, I

45:28

would buy more of like a 68 to

45:31

70 mile an hour curveball. Okay.

45:33

Yeah. I think maybe they were

45:36

looking at someone who throws 95 and

45:38

seeing that their curve is maybe 75 and

45:41

thinking, oh, 20 mile an

45:43

hour difference between pitches is inevitable. We'll just

45:46

cross apply that. Yeah. But

45:48

for pitchers who have slower

45:50

fastballs, there is generally

45:52

not as large of a speed separation

45:55

to their curve. Like Adam Wainwright,

45:58

who I name checked earlier, his fastballs are not as large as a speed. is like

46:00

87 and his curve is like 72. Kyle Hendricks has an 88 mile

46:02

an hour fastball

46:06

and a 73 mile an hour

46:08

curve. Kluber currently has an 88

46:10

mile an hour fastball and

46:13

an 80 mile an hour curve

46:15

only like 8 miles an hour

46:17

of pitch speed separation. And

46:20

if we're talking about knuckle ballers Wakefield

46:22

had a 62 mile an

46:25

hour curve but that was because

46:27

his fastball was like 73. Sue

46:32

In could smoke him. I

46:36

have some quibbles but I

46:38

think they're pretty fine pitching

46:41

quibbles for your average

46:43

baseball inaccuracy right like given the

46:45

kinds of baseball inaccuracies that we

46:48

have seen in our time. I'd

46:50

agree with that. Obviously I'm just a goofus and

46:53

not like someone with pitching experience or a real analyst

46:55

out here but I feel like a lot of the

46:57

issues that I had are things that would

46:59

have gotten past me even as like

47:01

a big baseball fan like 10-15 years

47:04

ago. So I

47:06

think it is a 60 on

47:08

a scale of baseball movies. Hmm

47:11

maybe it's a 55. I have

47:13

55 written down and then as I

47:15

was like these things matter to me

47:18

but pitch speed separation incorrect way to

47:20

throw a knuckle ball you know what

47:22

I mean? Yeah. It's like they're

47:24

pretty fine points. I yeah I

47:26

think I'll go 55. Yeah it's funny I

47:31

feel weirdly similar to the amount of baseball

47:33

category that it feels like it's in this

47:36

kind of in-between place and I'm like 57.5.

47:38

I guess I like went up on one

47:40

so I'll go down on this one. Sure

47:42

that's fair. I think I'm gonna stick with 60.

47:44

Okay yeah. Oh no no

47:46

I'm gonna change it to 55. You just

47:49

want that sound effect. I do but also

47:51

you know Jim my scouting director Jim

47:53

I don't want him to come

47:55

back at me and like did you not see

47:57

this stuff about that's not the way to throw a

47:59

knuckle ball. or like this movie

48:01

fundamentally misunderstands strength training. So, 55.

48:03

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49:14

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49:16

right. We're back to storytelling now.

49:19

We've been doing a three-card Monty

49:21

with our category ordering, and welcome

49:24

back, storytelling. It feels

49:26

so good. It feels so good to be back. So,

49:29

I mostly have good things to

49:31

say about this. I think this

49:33

movie is very well put together.

49:35

I think that it does

49:38

have a certain, I don't

49:41

want to say simplicity, but again, like,

49:43

it is recognizable. It has sports

49:46

movie tropes throughout.

49:49

The coach who doesn't

49:52

want to give the person a

49:54

chance until they do. And

49:57

the parent that... apparent

50:00

that is like against it

50:02

and then suddenly has some

50:04

moment of understanding

50:09

like acceptance. There's

50:11

a lot of things that we

50:13

see that if you really if

50:15

you've seen any number of sports

50:17

movies like you will recognize the

50:19

shape of it but I think that

50:21

this movie is like a testament

50:23

to what good execution will bring

50:25

you because it's not

50:27

really like trying to like reinvent the

50:30

baseball movie. It's doing a really

50:32

good job of telling a baseball

50:34

story that is

50:36

like very very specific even

50:39

though it kind of follows a number

50:41

of recognizable patterns and

50:44

I think that maybe more

50:46

than anything else one of the things

50:48

that like really struck me

50:51

about this film is

50:53

a certain it's within the drive it's within

50:55

the like not wanting to quit because we've

50:58

sort of talked around this a little bit but at

51:00

the end of the movie she gets

51:03

offered a sort of almost

51:05

like an admin position like

51:07

to sort of like help

51:09

with this particular it's

51:11

like the team wants to have this

51:13

sort of like initiative to promote women

51:16

in sports without actually putting women in

51:18

sports and and doing one of those

51:20

kind of like token like we're gonna

51:23

form a committee and you're going to be on that

51:25

committee and you're gonna be the face of it and

51:27

and it's gonna be good for you and it's a

51:29

job within baseball she rejects

51:31

it and then she does eventually get

51:33

signed to this minor league deal which

51:36

the movie stresses correctly

51:39

just means that things are going to be harder

51:41

and that it's hard for every it's hard for

51:43

everybody I think that's what I'm trying to say

51:45

is that like I think this movie does a

51:47

really good job of showing

51:50

her particular odds are stacked

51:52

against her to succeed thing

51:55

shows her getting some success does

51:57

not show her getting the full-on

52:01

dream like happy ending thing

52:03

doesn't not give us that

52:05

but does show how hard

52:08

she has to work and how hard everybody

52:10

has to work to succeed

52:12

as a professional athlete. I think it's a

52:14

really cool thing that the movie does. Yeah

52:17

I think you've hit on a lot of

52:19

things that make this movie really good

52:21

and obviously the first one is

52:23

just how well executed it is.

52:25

So obviously storytelling is something that

52:28

we sort of use to encompass

52:30

both writing, directing, and editing which

52:32

in this particular instance was the

52:34

same guy. One guy, yeah. And like it's

52:37

all so good. The film is

52:39

structured so well and then it's

52:42

shot so well and it's edited so

52:44

well. It is delivered so well.

52:46

Yeah it really feels like a

52:48

kind of like singular vision also.

52:51

And but I also think that

52:53

you bringing up her

52:55

being offered to this, I

52:58

understood it not to be a purely administrative

53:00

position. I thought it was

53:03

like we're gonna form a

53:05

like women's baseball team that's

53:07

gonna be a sort of

53:09

Barnstormy type team that will

53:12

be an initiative for different

53:15

people being involved in the game

53:17

of baseball but is not gonna

53:19

be playing with men

53:21

at the highest level of the

53:23

sport. That was how I

53:25

understood it that like she would be

53:27

playing but that she would be playing

53:30

in this secondary thing right? That it

53:32

would be like, because he did emphasize

53:34

we think you're gonna have a long

53:36

career as a player. Oh

53:38

see I took that to be like

53:40

you will be useful in this face

53:43

of this initiative thing because you have

53:45

played for so long. Yeah.

53:49

But regardless I just sort of took it as

53:51

I mean I think I probably took

53:53

it sort of as she did which was like they

53:55

oh they don't want me as a baseball player they

53:57

want me as like this corporate mascot. Yeah. Which whether

53:59

or not not she actually is going to

54:01

be playing kind of is sort of how

54:04

it's presented. It's like, thank you for trying

54:06

out for our team. You

54:08

are not going to be a part

54:10

of our team, but like we will do

54:12

this. Like this is good

54:14

PR. This is good PR. No, completely.

54:17

And it's interesting that I feel

54:19

like our different understanding of what that

54:22

is could

54:24

influence, I think the slightly different

54:26

emotional reaction that I had to

54:28

that moment. Which was just

54:31

the reason I know I don't live in

54:33

a movie is because if someone offered me

54:35

a way to just not do

54:37

the equivalent of working in a factory and the

54:40

equivalent of heading up a women's baseball

54:42

team, I would take it. And the

54:44

movie would be over and the audience

54:46

would all be left thinking about this

54:48

ambiguous ending of compromise because I

54:50

would be like, Oh my God, I don't have to do something

54:52

I hate for my life. I will just take that. Yes,

54:55

please. Thank you. I will sign

54:57

on the line. But no, no, no, obviously it's

54:59

a movie and so she needs to reject it.

55:02

But the reason that I said that I

55:04

think it's telling to me that this is

55:06

something that you brought up and I do

55:08

think it's the strength of the movie for

55:10

any number of reasons. I

55:12

think it's one of the biggest surprises in

55:14

the movie. That

55:16

this is the offer that she gets and

55:19

that she turns it down. Oh, to be on the

55:21

like task force. Yes. Right. Because I sort of

55:23

feel like a lot of the things you kind of

55:25

know, there were so many times when I was watching

55:27

this movie and I was like, I'm so glad I'm

55:29

not watching a documentary and I'm watching a movie. And

55:32

I know because of the adversity that

55:35

she is facing in the

55:37

world of this movie, there is going

55:39

to be something uplifting at the

55:41

end of this. I don't know specifically what it's

55:43

going to be, but like she

55:45

did not bleed all over a bunch

55:47

of baseballs and have her mom throw

55:50

her glove in the fire bin in order

55:52

to just be kicked out of baseball and

55:55

have to work in the factory for the

55:57

first time in a while. rest

56:00

of her life. Like that's not what this movie is

56:02

going to be. And so

56:05

in that particular regard, there are,

56:08

I think there are some. I'm not underselling the

56:10

movie, but I think that that's one of the

56:12

biggest surprises. And I think that that's one of

56:14

the things that elevates it from just being like,

56:17

oh, this is simply an extremely

56:19

competently told save the cat, right?

56:21

The baseball movie by beat

56:24

thing. And

56:26

I mean, I think another thing that I

56:28

really respect about the movie is

56:31

the fact that there is

56:33

no romance for Sue in

56:35

shoved in there. Like, despite the

56:37

hints that her friend who has become a

56:40

pro player has a crush on her, that

56:42

does not really become a B story, which

56:45

I feel like in a lesser movie would.

56:47

Absolutely. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for not doing

56:49

that. Yeah. And you know, like I guess really,

56:51

maybe I'm looking back on that initial contract offer

56:54

to like, maybe that did have a line or

56:56

two about like how she would still like, you

56:58

know, be able to be like on the women's

57:00

national team, which had already been

57:03

pitched and rejected earlier. But I

57:05

think that the main, the main takeaway

57:07

from it for me was like, we do

57:09

not want you on this

57:12

team, but we do want you

57:14

to be like a non-player representative

57:16

of this team through this task

57:19

force to advocate for increase

57:21

of the thing that we are not going

57:24

to do for you right now. Totally. Can

57:26

we put you on the front of our

57:28

brochure without ever casting you in a play?

57:31

Somebody ought to do something about this. The

57:33

other thing that I, in your sort of

57:40

opening argument that I love that I

57:42

want to uplift is I think such

57:45

an important theme for this movie is

57:48

this is really hard for everybody.

57:50

Yeah. And I think that that is, and

57:52

it's lonely, and it's lonely. And I

57:55

think that's told so well in basically

57:57

the opening image of the film With

57:59

all. Oh of the players

58:01

waiting in the hallway. And

58:04

it's like it's like dawn or something.

58:06

Yeah, I make one. Guy? you know.

58:08

So instead. To as a crush on her. Is.

58:11

Gonna be signed by a pro team

58:13

and everybody else. Sorry not, you're not

58:15

going to play pro baseball. Young and

58:17

so there's I met. emulate immediately. Lights?

58:19

Would we do? I guess we gotta

58:21

quit. Guess we gotta find a job

58:24

like already. Sort of establishing tension like

58:26

right from the jump. Yeah, sorry. Please

58:28

continue Naruto. I was just gonna say

58:30

like i think that's so important to this

58:32

movie but I also I'm incredibly impressed

58:34

when a film can show was something

58:36

like that immediately. Yeah, like the economy

58:38

and the force of being like no,

58:40

I know that this is important enough

58:42

to myself that this is gonna be

58:44

an opening image for me and we're

58:46

going to show it to you were in

58:49

a very clear way and I just

58:51

I think that that's that's very well

58:53

done And then I think also like

58:55

setting up the comparison to the difficulty

58:57

of making it as a professional. Dancer

58:59

with my girlfriend. Just the

59:01

idea that these things are

59:03

hard, even when you're not

59:06

going against notions of gendered.

59:08

Career Tracks Yeah right.

59:10

And I appreciate the economic arguments.

59:12

Obviously in this country, until you're

59:14

paid a lot of money to

59:16

play baseball, it's expensive to do.

59:18

Also, Yeah right. Just like

59:21

failure is so presence the

59:23

smell so strong on our

59:25

cross. I. Mean across the

59:28

non baseball players in the

59:30

film as well. right? You've

59:32

got. The. Dad who's like struggling

59:34

to land in some kind of

59:37

job where he can bring home

59:39

some money. The Mom. You guess

59:41

you get a sense of how

59:43

much that she's had to sacrifice.

59:46

Being like the sole breadwinner and

59:48

white house. she's had to become

59:50

this person who's like focused on

59:52

money because like nobody else around

59:55

her ever. Rand.

59:57

you've got vienna it it's it's

1:00:00

like they say all the time

1:00:02

about how baseball is a

1:00:04

game of failure. And

1:00:06

it's rare to see a convincing,

1:00:09

but not necessarily like depressing

1:00:12

depiction of that, just to kind

1:00:14

of like illustrate how hard it

1:00:16

is. More often than not, we

1:00:19

tend to see in these baseball

1:00:21

movies, a handful of people in

1:00:24

some kind of like top tier

1:00:26

of performance doing magical things. And

1:00:28

then there's perfectly fine or like

1:00:30

bad or goofy bad people around

1:00:32

them. There isn't really like

1:00:35

a superstar in this film.

1:00:37

Everybody is grinding every

1:00:39

single person, even the player that

1:00:41

Sue in has to pitch against

1:00:44

in the tryout. She strikes out

1:00:46

one person pretty cleanly with three

1:00:48

pitches. And then the sort

1:00:50

of like head coach who's overseeing, he's

1:00:53

kind of like in charge of the

1:00:55

tryouts gets a player on

1:00:57

the team who like made a million

1:00:59

this year. Like seems like, okay, let's

1:01:01

see how she does against a seasoned

1:01:03

member of the team. And like,

1:01:06

it's like hard for him and

1:01:08

it's kind of a drag, like

1:01:10

even the most successful baseball player

1:01:13

that we see in the movie,

1:01:15

we see him get an out

1:01:17

on four pitches because it's hard

1:01:19

to hit a baseball. Yeah, totally.

1:01:22

Totally. Yeah. I thought that moment

1:01:24

was so great. It was so good. Like raising

1:01:27

the stakes by bringing in the pro KBO

1:01:29

player in the tryout is so good. I

1:01:31

mean, I felt like the coach kind of

1:01:33

being like, how much did you get last

1:01:35

year? It felt like a little bit forced,

1:01:38

but I could see a coach doing it

1:01:40

in a sort of trash talky kind of

1:01:42

a way. Yeah. It's, it's a,

1:01:44

it's an efficient way to be like,

1:01:46

what kind of a player are you?

1:01:48

Totally. And the money,

1:01:50

obviously a good signifier of that. I

1:01:52

mean, there's no reason why it couldn't

1:01:55

be like you could make him a

1:01:57

player. That's like good at hitting off

1:01:59

speed stuff. or how

1:02:01

many home runs did you hit last year,

1:02:03

or like whatever, but yeah, point taken. But

1:02:05

I think that that point of storytelling

1:02:08

within that is handled really well. And

1:02:10

like you said, the dancer friend, and

1:02:13

a lot of that really

1:02:15

resonates and builds on itself

1:02:18

throughout the film. And

1:02:21

the kid who likes Sue in,

1:02:23

who is on his

1:02:25

way to becoming a pro

1:02:28

player, unlike other people

1:02:30

on his high school team, he's not

1:02:33

strutting his stuff. He's still like grinding

1:02:35

at practice. He doesn't look particularly confident.

1:02:37

He seems like scared and overwhelmed. And

1:02:39

like, I don't know if I'm going

1:02:42

to make it. And it's just like,

1:02:44

it's always there. And it just felt

1:02:46

really true. Yeah, yeah. Well, just

1:02:49

you were talking about her dancer friend. When

1:02:51

we learned that her dancer friend didn't move

1:02:53

forward in the audition process because she was

1:02:55

rejected based on her looks, I

1:02:58

didn't believe it. Not that that couldn't happen.

1:03:00

I mean, that is absolutely how

1:03:02

the industry works. Lots of

1:03:04

times people will let you audition, but there's no way

1:03:06

that you will actually be considered because

1:03:08

you just don't look right. But

1:03:11

I don't believe that she would have been rejected based

1:03:13

on her looks. That was the main thing. I was

1:03:15

like, she's so pretty. I don't know

1:03:17

though. Like depending on what the thing was, some

1:03:21

of those like dancer, open call,

1:03:23

like cattle call things are

1:03:25

ruthless in terms of like the proportions that

1:03:28

people are looking for. Oh, sure. Like think

1:03:30

about like the Rockettes. They do that all

1:03:32

the time. They're like, no, you need to

1:03:34

have like this kind of a Barbie doll

1:03:36

proportion between like your legs and your torso.

1:03:38

Yeah. And you need to be within this

1:03:40

height range. Yes, yes. Can you wear

1:03:42

the costumes that we had from last

1:03:45

year? Yeah, yeah. And also sort of

1:03:47

like represent the brand, which is like

1:03:49

leggy ladies, you know? And

1:03:52

like obviously it's doing double

1:03:54

work there in terms of like

1:03:56

also being an echo of Sue

1:03:58

in being. out

1:04:00

right just based on her appearance, right?

1:04:02

I, yes, I totally understand. And

1:04:05

there's fun crossover there too, like while

1:04:08

Sue is like learning the knuckleball and

1:04:10

she's like sort of practicing the movement,

1:04:12

the dancer friend is getting inspired by

1:04:14

it and trying some choreography, doing like

1:04:17

similar movement. It's very small, but it's

1:04:19

like a fun observed

1:04:21

thing that I just enjoyed.

1:04:24

Also, we were talking about the

1:04:26

father taking tests earlier, and I

1:04:29

did two sense of research about the

1:04:31

test that the dad is taking, which

1:04:34

as we referenced earlier, it does not

1:04:36

specify what it is. But

1:04:39

it does seem like a

1:04:41

lot of jobs in government

1:04:43

or big Korean conglomerates like

1:04:45

Samsung, LG, Hyundai, etc. require

1:04:48

tests that mean an insane

1:04:50

amount of studying. Usually

1:04:53

it would be younger people than the dad

1:04:55

studying for them, I think, like people out

1:04:57

of college. But this is

1:04:59

a sort of different job

1:05:01

getting system that I think

1:05:04

we are used to in this country. So,

1:05:06

I mean, I was very curious about it, but

1:05:09

it was hard actually to find information

1:05:11

because I was searching in

1:05:13

English. All of the

1:05:15

searches kept on coming up of like how to

1:05:17

get a job if you're a foreigner in Korea.

1:05:20

I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I

1:05:23

want to know how Koreans get jobs in Korea. That's

1:05:26

it. The storytelling is still very clear because

1:05:28

you're just like, oh, he needs to pass

1:05:30

this test to get a job. Oh, totally.

1:05:32

Yeah, it made me curious. It's a system

1:05:34

that is not exactly like ours, but it's

1:05:37

pretty clear what's going on, which is very

1:05:39

nice. Just lots of

1:05:41

great little details, I think, to buttress

1:05:43

little bits of the storytelling. I had

1:05:45

mentioned the couple of like catcher moments

1:05:47

earlier of getting the bigger glove for

1:05:49

the knuckleball and I mean the

1:05:52

one that didn't work quite as well for

1:05:54

me with the Japanese teacher. But I think

1:05:56

that there's lots of little actions and gestures

1:05:59

and stuff that. that do

1:06:01

a lot for being little moments. I

1:06:03

really like in the

1:06:06

locker room, when they take down the

1:06:08

picture of Sue in, like

1:06:11

from her moment of glory, being

1:06:14

the accomplished person who got onto the high

1:06:16

school team, they take that down to put

1:06:18

up a picture of the

1:06:20

guy who made the pro team. And

1:06:23

just that, I felt like was a

1:06:25

really direct, but

1:06:27

also still like somehow kind of understated thing

1:06:29

to do to just sort of be like,

1:06:31

oh, this is what's going on in this

1:06:33

clubhouse right now. So much good

1:06:36

showing in this movie. Yeah. You

1:06:38

know what I mean? When she first goes

1:06:40

in to her room, into her

1:06:42

bedroom, and she's like, what

1:06:45

art decoration person put these pages so

1:06:47

artfully askew on my floor? I'm kidding,

1:06:49

like it's obviously that her younger sister

1:06:52

has been like playing with her baseball

1:06:54

clippings. But then you

1:06:57

get the baseball medals and

1:06:59

trophies, right? It's like, she's

1:07:01

good at this. Yeah. You

1:07:04

know what I mean? Immediately. Yeah. It's

1:07:06

so clear. Nobody has to tell you that she's

1:07:08

good at it. You know. And like

1:07:11

the coach who, the new coach

1:07:13

who like doesn't really like believe

1:07:15

in her until finally he like

1:07:17

relents and will help her out.

1:07:19

You know what? I should teach

1:07:21

you a knuckleball. Yeah. There's something that

1:07:23

could have been really corny that I think

1:07:26

that they handled really well, which was by

1:07:28

using a very, very light touch, which

1:07:30

is I think it is outright said, but I

1:07:32

think it's only said once and like super,

1:07:35

super briefly, not a big dramatic moment,

1:07:37

that the reason that he never became

1:07:39

a professional pitcher was his speed was

1:07:41

not up to par. And

1:07:43

that I think is really

1:07:46

great. It's a really, it's a quick

1:07:48

thing that is not said with a

1:07:51

flourish of music or a

1:07:53

shadowy shot of him like

1:07:55

pensively looking out somberly. You

1:07:57

just sort of like get

1:07:59

the image. information within

1:08:01

this other scene and

1:08:04

it's all you need to sort of be like oh This

1:08:07

is why he's being like such a weirdo

1:08:09

about this Yes,

1:08:12

because he is yeah I mean

1:08:14

I actually I love so the

1:08:16

scene where Sue in tries to show

1:08:18

this is the coach jint a that

1:08:21

she can throw that first one where she's like

1:08:23

this is our table setter because structurally

1:08:26

you're thinking either she's gonna prove

1:08:28

herself right and then he's gonna

1:08:30

start to mentor her or She'll

1:08:34

fail in order to set

1:08:36

up a rise to success in some other

1:08:38

way Yeah, but the movie

1:08:40

puts forward that she fails Because

1:08:43

he gives the other player a

1:08:45

tip. Yeah, right not because

1:08:47

they weren't evenly matched Of

1:08:49

course, the point is that she's going

1:08:52

to be at this point overmatched by

1:08:54

professional competition but still the way that

1:08:56

it shows that he's Rooting

1:08:58

against her at this point in the movie

1:09:00

is good, right? Yeah, it's

1:09:02

complex. It's unexpected This

1:09:06

is another moment where I'm like, oh

1:09:08

this is elevating this just against being

1:09:10

like a very competently constructed Structurally

1:09:13

sound well edited baseball movie of

1:09:15

like moment of surprise Coach

1:09:18

is like putting his thumb on the

1:09:20

scale Yeah in the middle of an at

1:09:22

bat in the middle of an at bat In

1:09:25

a practice between like two different high

1:09:27

school kids. Yeah, right He should just

1:09:29

let the high school kids be bad

1:09:31

or be good in this moment, right?

1:09:33

But the fact that he's like you're

1:09:36

not on my team. You're on my

1:09:38

team Yeah to the male batter is

1:09:40

really good I'm like man He is

1:09:42

such a jerk when he decides to

1:09:44

prove a point to her By

1:09:47

bringing the rest of the team back from

1:09:49

running their laps Which

1:09:51

they were supposed to be punished

1:09:53

for not practicing So that

1:09:55

then she has to run laps alone

1:09:58

when clearly she was the one practicing?

1:10:01

Literally revoking everyone else's punishment

1:10:03

just so that he can

1:10:06

prove a point to her.

1:10:09

This is a scene right after we've just

1:10:11

been told that he's a good coach in

1:10:13

the sad scene with his wife who won't

1:10:15

let him see their child, but I'm like

1:10:18

this scene is not illustrating that. What

1:10:22

a jerk. I think it's the only

1:10:24

thing that really sort

1:10:27

of bothered me in this

1:10:29

movie is that the

1:10:31

mom was a little over

1:10:34

the top. I don't mean the acting,

1:10:36

I mean like as an

1:10:38

antagonist. I had a couple of moments where

1:10:40

I felt that way as well. It wasn't a ton of

1:10:42

moments. There were plenty of moments where I was like,

1:10:44

mom, you're justified to be mad here. And

1:10:46

then like when her mom is upset with

1:10:48

her for continuing to train even after getting

1:10:50

a job, it just feels like

1:10:52

a bit much. I didn't

1:10:55

mind that so much because it's about

1:10:57

like being right. It's about like it's

1:10:59

dangerous for you to have this dream.

1:11:02

And like I had to crush my

1:11:05

own and so you can't have yours.

1:11:07

I like there's some weird like logic

1:11:09

to that that I can follow a

1:11:12

bitter parent doing. I did

1:11:14

question the moment when she burns

1:11:16

Sue in baseball. I'm like, throw

1:11:19

that shit on eBay. Seriously,

1:11:21

if you're such a miser, you could

1:11:23

sell that. You could sell that, especially

1:11:26

given who Sue in is, you know,

1:11:28

not even like for sale, one used

1:11:30

glove like Sue in glove, sell

1:11:33

it. Yeah. Also at the

1:11:35

end, like the scene when

1:11:37

she realizes that her daughter is going to make

1:11:39

60 grand being a baseball player and that she

1:11:42

was wrong to doubt her so much. It's an

1:11:44

affecting scene. But I was like, why is the

1:11:46

mom in this meeting? Where's Sue

1:11:48

in? What? Like

1:11:51

the scene is good enough. And the performance is so

1:11:53

good. Yeah. That the first time I was watching, I

1:11:55

didn't even really think about it. And then I was

1:11:57

like, this doesn't make any sense. It

1:11:59

is a little strange, yeah. But

1:12:02

I mean, obviously, those are not like

1:12:04

huge problems that I have. Yeah,

1:12:06

I hear you on the

1:12:08

mom stuff, especially because like

1:12:10

her position of

1:12:13

not pro baseball, but

1:12:15

con baseball in

1:12:18

the life of her daughter is

1:12:21

like pretty tyrannical in its negativity

1:12:23

in the beginning of the film.

1:12:26

And I think that like 85% of the way through the film, it's

1:12:30

true 90% of the way through the

1:12:32

film. I'm so grateful that she does

1:12:34

have some opportunity to sort of like soften,

1:12:38

it does come a little bit later than

1:12:40

than I would have liked. But

1:12:43

I think it's mostly like sold pretty well.

1:12:45

Yeah. And actually, I think I even liked

1:12:47

it more when I when I rewatched it.

1:12:49

And I do think again that like she's

1:12:52

the one who's like kind of got to

1:12:54

be like the realist of the family. And

1:12:57

like the fact that yeah,

1:12:59

a little adorable five year old child is

1:13:01

not going to do it. No, not a

1:13:03

chance. So like I do

1:13:05

I do appreciate that the film for making

1:13:09

her kind of like this is

1:13:11

the evil parent who doesn't believe

1:13:13

in dreams. Despite that,

1:13:15

like her concerns are shown

1:13:17

to be anything but unfounded.

1:13:20

And that's what makes the situation

1:13:22

in front of her all the more heart

1:13:24

wrenching is because they're like, isn't really an

1:13:27

easy answer for it. And I think the

1:13:29

movie does a good job

1:13:31

of showing us that that we

1:13:33

want her to pursue her dreams.

1:13:35

But we're seeing that everybody is

1:13:37

failing all the time at this,

1:13:39

and that her chances aren't actually

1:13:42

very good, really at the end

1:13:44

of the day. And yet we

1:13:46

want her to take that leap

1:13:48

anyway. And I think that's

1:13:50

an important story to tell and

1:13:52

actually not one that you get

1:13:55

that often in movies like this because a

1:13:57

lot of times there it's like the

1:13:59

first first act of a movie, but then we

1:14:01

get to see the pro career or whatever. And

1:14:05

for the whole movie to kind of center

1:14:07

around this question, even in

1:14:09

a way that something like Sugar

1:14:12

doesn't, because there's stuff to navigate

1:14:14

culturally with that, there's loneliness, but

1:14:17

we know that he's good. It's

1:14:19

more about what do you do when

1:14:22

you're already within this system? How do

1:14:24

you survive as opposed to here? It's

1:14:27

like, how can I get through the front door? Yeah.

1:14:30

How am I just even going to get the chance to

1:14:32

do the thing that I love? To

1:14:34

even succeed or fail at the thing that

1:14:36

I love? It's very affecting. Oh man, I

1:14:39

think my score on this is kind of high. I'm thinking about

1:14:41

a 70. I can see it.

1:14:43

Am I crazy? I'm sort of between a 60

1:14:45

and a 70. I think I'm going to go with a 70. I

1:14:47

feel crazy saying it, but I think the

1:14:50

storytelling in this is great. I

1:14:52

might be rounding up to 70, but I think I

1:14:54

like it more than a 60 enough. Yeah,

1:14:57

me too. I'm also going to go 70.

1:14:59

I would say that definitely on the first viewing,

1:15:01

I would have thought 60. It's

1:15:04

sort of like the things that it's doing

1:15:07

that are exceptional are

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not flashy. You

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know what I mean? You're not like, whoa, that's

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score tool. So

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while I was watching this movie, I

1:17:44

had the thought that the scoring sounded like

1:17:47

it was chosen from a lot of different, possibly

1:17:50

available pieces. There's some

1:17:52

thoughtful piano... But

1:18:15

then there are a couple of

1:18:18

instances like the training montage and

1:18:20

the baseball game that are

1:18:22

just straight up 80s synths. It

1:18:42

doesn't feel like it's

1:18:44

of a piece with either the rest of

1:18:47

the music or really the movie as

1:18:49

a whole. I love

1:18:51

the music of this so much. I

1:18:57

loved this music. It

1:19:03

hit my soul in the

1:19:05

way that Stardew Valley

1:19:07

music hits my soul. There's

1:19:11

something very beautiful

1:19:13

and dreamy about it but

1:19:16

also kind of melancholy and

1:19:18

tired. You've

1:19:20

been at practice all day and you're just trying

1:19:23

to get to that next milestone

1:19:26

of whatever. I

1:19:28

think I tend to like stuff with

1:19:30

synth elements more than you. In

1:19:33

general, I probably listen to stuff that

1:19:36

uses that more than you

1:19:38

do. It just was like right

1:19:41

up my alley. I thought it was

1:19:43

terrific. This is going to be

1:19:45

one of our biggest differences in the history of this

1:19:47

podcast. Yeah, maybe in the entire

1:19:49

history of this podcast. Look, I natively

1:19:51

liked the synth. I

1:19:54

just was like, I don't think that fits

1:19:57

this movie or the run.

1:20:00

of the music and I did

1:20:03

I looked up the music credit on IMDB

1:20:05

wondering if I would just see that there

1:20:07

was a music supervisor instead of a composer

1:20:09

but there is in fact

1:20:12

a composer credited and

1:20:14

that is Peter Pan one

1:20:16

word complex Peter

1:20:19

Pan complex Peter Pan complex this

1:20:21

is Peter Pan only IMDB credit

1:20:23

which did make

1:20:28

me wonder if they're the Justin

1:20:30

spurts of this movie oh

1:20:33

I wonder about that

1:20:37

so for those of you who

1:20:39

don't know which is everybody the

1:20:41

second time that Eric and I

1:20:43

produced a play together both times

1:20:45

we really did basically everything ourselves

1:20:47

including like the set design yeah

1:20:49

we didn't we decided for

1:20:51

the second one that we would

1:20:53

create a fake credit for the

1:20:56

fake set designer which of course

1:20:58

we did ourselves and because

1:21:00

there was a line in the play which

1:21:02

Eric wrote that was I'll

1:21:04

feel better even if it's just

1:21:06

in spurts we decided

1:21:08

to name our fictional scenic

1:21:11

designer Justin spurts yeah and

1:21:13

Justin spurts got so much

1:21:16

good press yeah it's oh my

1:21:18

god yeah people loved the work

1:21:20

of Justin spurts Ellen was acting

1:21:22

in the film and also producing

1:21:25

and I wrote directed

1:21:27

was also producing and we were doing all this

1:21:30

and I was just like you called it a

1:21:32

film but it was like just sorry sorry yeah

1:21:34

film in my mind and

1:21:36

I I don't

1:21:39

I don't want my name all over this

1:21:41

program I don't want to I don't want

1:21:43

to be one of those people you know

1:21:45

because like it's cool to have multiple credits

1:21:47

and look if you can do that and

1:21:49

make something like baseball girl like go for

1:21:52

props but maybe correctly was like I will

1:21:54

have my name on this three

1:21:56

times but

1:21:59

not more than that. Because

1:22:01

sometimes I think it then becomes the

1:22:04

diminishing returns of like, you're really gonna

1:22:06

stop impressing people. Or like,

1:22:08

we don't need to draw attention to that.

1:22:10

I mean, the Coen brothers do the same

1:22:12

thing. What's their editor name? Like Roderick James

1:22:14

or something. So it could be that that's

1:22:16

what it was. But if so,

1:22:19

this person is a genius

1:22:21

and needs to be brought to Hollywood. Peter Pan

1:22:23

complex. Or Bollywood, just give him like a lot

1:22:25

more money to make whatever

1:22:27

movie he wants to do.

1:22:30

There is also an end

1:22:32

credit song called Dreaming in

1:22:34

Skies that is

1:22:36

the credit. What I

1:22:38

see is the band or

1:22:41

group or person is PPCX.

1:22:45

I'm a child and I just laugh when somebody

1:22:47

says PPCX. PPCX. Yeah,

1:22:51

even the second time was not bad in terms of getting

1:22:53

a laugh. And it is

1:22:55

like a not super

1:22:59

great Korean pop song that sounds like it

1:23:02

was written to play over the end credits

1:23:04

of a film. Yeah.

1:23:24

Which is fine. But no, I think

1:23:27

that the, I'm just gonna point out

1:23:29

a couple of bits of the score

1:23:31

that I liked. And

1:23:33

like, I think that there's some that sounds

1:23:36

especially like Sturdy Bell, that I really, really

1:23:38

liked. Yeah, yeah. I noted

1:23:40

those as being intrinsically

1:23:42

nice, but jarring

1:23:44

as part of the whole the

1:23:46

first time that we watched the movie. Yeah, boy,

1:23:48

I really didn't. I loved it and I

1:23:51

thought it really, aside from just

1:23:53

being music that I liked and that I

1:23:55

thought sounded good, I didn't think it was

1:23:57

overly intrusive. I think it like. leaned

1:24:00

into and made use of the

1:24:02

emotionality of the scene without

1:24:05

taking it over. I wrote

1:24:07

spin rate music, that was really good.

1:24:10

There's the scoring around that section. The

1:24:13

prep for the tryout montage, I thought

1:24:15

that music was really, really good. Air

1:24:35

time! And

1:24:42

also against the

1:24:45

star or at least, like one of

1:24:47

the better players that she shows down

1:24:50

with in the Tryout. The player's name

1:24:52

is Park Wu Jin and

1:24:54

it's kind of a climactic moment and

1:24:57

I thought that the music supported it super

1:25:00

well. I

1:25:20

loved it. So what's your score? Well I think

1:25:22

you've got to give the score first right? Oh true. Unless

1:25:25

you want to break tradition. No, no. Look,

1:25:27

you know how I feel about tradition. But I bet mine's going

1:25:29

to be higher. It will be. Yeah,

1:25:31

no. I'm going to go

1:25:33

50 on the balance. I think that

1:25:36

the music itself is perhaps nicer than

1:25:38

a 50 but I'm docking it to

1:25:40

merely a 50 for an inconsistent

1:25:42

tone. Oh

1:25:45

my gosh. I am going with a 70

1:25:47

for this. Oh my

1:25:49

gosh. I love this music. Your Jin

1:25:51

is going to roast you. I love

1:25:53

this music. He can roast me. He's

1:25:56

going to be expecting like field of

1:25:58

dreams at least. This would be

1:26:00

an 80 if it had one of those iconic

1:26:03

hooks, one of those like,

1:26:06

bah-na-na-na. Bum-bum-bum-bum. Bum-bum-bum.

1:26:11

Or like if they threw a Randy Newman song

1:26:13

in there also. Yeah. You

1:26:15

know, something to make, no,

1:26:18

like if it had one of those, some

1:26:20

main theme, some main melody. So anything

1:26:22

you could sing and remember from having

1:26:24

seen the film twice? Yeah, yeah. One

1:26:26

of those five to 10 note things

1:26:28

that just burns into

1:26:31

your mind. That's

1:26:33

all that's really needed. But this

1:26:35

is music that I could

1:26:38

see myself listening to just like

1:26:40

regularly because I think it's really great music. And

1:26:43

I think it supports the film. So it's hard for

1:26:45

me not to go with a large

1:26:47

score. Wow, 70. Wow,

1:26:49

okay, all right. Oh yeah. Look,

1:26:51

it's a tough job market out there. That's all

1:26:53

I wanna say. So we're

1:26:56

gonna move on to our next category,

1:26:58

which is acting. The acting in this

1:27:00

movie is so good. It's really good. I

1:27:03

don't know that I think anybody is bad.

1:27:05

And I think almost everybody is

1:27:07

very, very good. And

1:27:10

some of this is storytelling because although

1:27:12

I wanna give all of the credit

1:27:14

that is due to the actors

1:27:17

to them, the level of detail

1:27:19

and the level of moment to

1:27:21

moment work that you see throughout

1:27:23

the film across basically every actor

1:27:25

in it does not happen

1:27:27

in a vacuum. And I think

1:27:30

that the direction and

1:27:33

to some extent the writing play

1:27:35

a hand in this as well. But

1:27:37

I just think there is so much

1:27:40

beautiful, subtle work

1:27:42

happening almost beat to beat in

1:27:45

this film. Yeah, I

1:27:47

am very impressed by the economy

1:27:49

of Lee Joo Young who plays

1:27:51

Sue in. She's contained,

1:27:54

but in so many scenes,

1:27:56

there's this depth of feeling

1:27:58

in her eyes. She's

1:28:00

not doing anything, but she's just

1:28:03

shooting rays of the way that

1:28:05

she feels, and it's very impressive.

1:28:09

And I also feel like Lee Jun

1:28:11

Hyuk, who is the sort of the

1:28:13

other lead as the coach Jintae,

1:28:15

is also exceptional. Yeah,

1:28:18

I think everybody does a really good

1:28:20

job of not playing

1:28:22

emotion, but having their emotions

1:28:25

just like very

1:28:27

clearly come across. Yes.

1:28:31

Like the thoughts and the point of view. The

1:28:33

mom, her like toughness

1:28:35

and her sadness and

1:28:37

her fear. I think that she, for

1:28:40

being kind of this like hard nose,

1:28:43

like you need to get a job

1:28:45

and quit your dreams, rah, kind of

1:28:47

character throughout, still manages to find an

1:28:50

impressive amount of opportunity for

1:28:52

like softness within those scenes, even

1:28:54

if it's just like a little

1:28:56

flash. I just think

1:28:58

it's really, really terrific. Yeah.

1:29:01

Yae Um Hye Ran is the name of that

1:29:03

actor who plays the mother. And I just

1:29:06

think that she's very impressive in

1:29:08

the way that she thoroughly owns

1:29:11

a character that I think is

1:29:13

written a little over the top at

1:29:16

times, not constantly, but at times. And

1:29:18

I mean, she's astonishing in the

1:29:21

nonsensical scene with the contract. Oh my

1:29:23

God. She's so good at it. Yeah.

1:29:26

They do that thing where like

1:29:28

this executive or owner, whoever it

1:29:30

is on the team is

1:29:32

it's going to be, you know, 60,000 under this

1:29:35

contract. And

1:29:37

she thinks that that's what like it's going to cost to

1:29:39

be on the team for her. And

1:29:41

she's like, how can I

1:29:44

like, and her reaction to

1:29:46

learning that that's what actually

1:29:49

Suin's going to get paid the sort

1:29:51

of like mix of

1:29:53

like joy, but also kind of like shame

1:29:56

and feeling like, oh,

1:29:58

she really doesn't know what's going on. at all.

1:30:00

Yeah. Even though she's like, that's like her

1:30:02

thing is being the person who like knows

1:30:05

about how to deal with money in the

1:30:07

family is just like so

1:30:09

beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. The

1:30:12

moment when Jinte and Suin

1:30:14

are on like the bus,

1:30:17

the response on his

1:30:19

response when she tells him,

1:30:22

I'll be a pro for you

1:30:24

just like devastates me. It's so

1:30:26

good. It's so good. Yeah.

1:30:29

Unlike everybody is great. I

1:30:32

did note that the actor who plays her

1:30:34

friend who becomes a pro ballplayer goes

1:30:36

to the psychological gesture of rubbing the

1:30:38

back of his neck multiple times in

1:30:41

a way that feels a little actory,

1:30:43

but he's still good. He's still a

1:30:45

really good actor. That scene, it's one of

1:30:47

my favorite scenes in the movie where

1:30:49

the two of them have one

1:30:51

of those moments where you're like, oh

1:30:53

no, is this going to be like a love scene?

1:30:56

And then it isn't and it's great where

1:30:58

he's like, oh, like of

1:31:00

all the kids from when we were little that we

1:31:02

play baseball with you and I are the only people

1:31:05

who play it. And then

1:31:07

like she asks for his

1:31:09

autograph and they have this like really

1:31:11

nice little moment, like just really like

1:31:13

beautiful, delicate stuff happening

1:31:15

between them throughout that entire scene

1:31:18

that I just thought was beautiful. And

1:31:20

again, I thought of a well written,

1:31:22

well directed scene as well,

1:31:24

but it only works if

1:31:26

you have actors like doing

1:31:29

the job that those two are doing in

1:31:31

that scene. Yeah. Yeah.

1:31:34

I am a 70. Oh gosh.

1:31:37

Boom, boom, boom. 70, 70,

1:31:40

70, 70. Wow. Wow. Yeah. On

1:31:43

the 70 train. You

1:31:45

know, I, I'm also, I feel like this

1:31:47

is a little bit of an Eric Gildee

1:31:49

move all of between a 60 and a

1:31:52

70 on this one. And I think I'm

1:31:54

going to go 60 just sort of

1:31:57

balance out. the

1:32:01

storytelling score where I also

1:32:03

felt like I was between a 60 and a 70 and went 70, but I

1:32:07

truly am between a 60 and a 70 on this also. I

1:32:10

am going to stick with the 70. I know that I

1:32:12

have a couple of scores here that are higher. Some

1:32:16

of them you might think justifiably. Some of

1:32:18

them you might not think justifiably. That score

1:32:20

tool. But I

1:32:22

truly do believe that with

1:32:24

these scores. In addition to that,

1:32:27

I am happy to

1:32:30

have a heavier hand with

1:32:32

my scoring than Ellen thinks

1:32:35

that I maybe should in part

1:32:37

because I cannot emphasize enough that

1:32:39

this is a movie that you should see. It's

1:32:41

a very good movie. You should absolutely see it.

1:32:43

The acting in it is great. You're

1:32:46

going to be in heaven with this

1:32:48

incredible score. And

1:32:53

the acting is terrific throughout. So

1:32:55

it's a toe-tapping, happy,

1:32:59

sad, thrill-stravaganza.

1:33:01

I cannot promise you that you will

1:33:03

leave this movie humming any of the

1:33:06

music from the movie. Whistling a little

1:33:08

tune. No,

1:33:11

it's great though. And I do think that the acting

1:33:13

is... It's

1:33:15

exceptional. I think it's really one of

1:33:17

the standout elements of a movie that has a lot of

1:33:19

them. Very fair. So

1:33:22

our next tool is delightfulness of

1:33:24

catcher character. And we

1:33:26

have a few characters who serve

1:33:29

as catchers. It's true. In

1:33:32

this film, although they're not the

1:33:34

sort of regular, everyday catcher that

1:33:36

you might see in a different

1:33:38

based on the movie. Yeah, it's a little unclear.

1:33:41

We do get to see Jung

1:33:43

Ho, the friend. We get to

1:33:46

see him catch

1:33:49

Sui-in's pitches at a

1:33:51

couple of different points. Like, at

1:33:54

the table setting. The

1:33:56

table setter at that. When she's first trying

1:33:58

to prove something to the coach. and

1:34:00

then he does help her as a catcher,

1:34:03

I think during like another one of the

1:34:05

practices. Or like

1:34:07

the special training sessions. But

1:34:10

I guess it is not like clearly established that

1:34:12

he is like the catcher of the team though.

1:34:14

Yes, we don't really know exactly

1:34:16

what position he plays. However,

1:34:19

I do feel like he has many

1:34:21

admirable, supportive to

1:34:23

a pitcher catcher qualities that

1:34:26

I think have to be considered in delightfulness

1:34:29

of catcher. And another

1:34:31

catcher is the female teacher at

1:34:34

the school who also plays baseball

1:34:36

with this sort of amateur league

1:34:38

that we've discussed. It seems nice. It

1:34:40

seems nice. He helps Sue in like

1:34:42

later than she thought she

1:34:45

was going to do and it's gonna mess

1:34:47

up her evenings. She got papers to grade

1:34:49

and everything. But she doesn't care because she

1:34:51

believes. Yeah, and she's supportive and

1:34:53

generous. And I like that she

1:34:55

exists in film as an

1:34:57

example of what women have to do in

1:35:00

order to play baseball. Right?

1:35:02

That is if they wanna do it, they're gonna

1:35:04

have to pay to be a part of a

1:35:06

league. They're gonna have to stay later at their

1:35:08

job than everyone else. So I

1:35:11

think she's a useful foil

1:35:13

structurally. And like clearly

1:35:15

a sweet person. She's not

1:35:17

undelightful, but she's not strictly

1:35:20

super delightful. Neither of these

1:35:22

people are either like the

1:35:24

comedic relief or the lovable team

1:35:26

leader. So that's just not what the film lets

1:35:28

her do. And then we get

1:35:30

the tryout catcher at the end also who

1:35:33

like switches out gloves. And I wouldn't say

1:35:35

that he's like delightful, but I do think

1:35:37

that among the skeptical dudes

1:35:39

on the team, laughing

1:35:43

when this chick comes up

1:35:45

to the mound, because of his position

1:35:47

and because he is presumably good at

1:35:49

his job, he is maybe among the

1:35:51

first to see

1:35:53

the skill and be like, okay, I'm gonna get ready

1:35:56

for this. So there's something

1:35:58

to that. Totally. was

1:36:00

that I thought a lot of the guys who were laughing were

1:36:02

other players who were trying

1:36:04

out and that there were

1:36:06

only really two pro players who were there,

1:36:08

the catcher and then the guy

1:36:11

who comes up to stand in against Sue

1:36:13

in. Oh yeah, that might

1:36:15

be true. I guess for some reason I saw

1:36:17

it as sort of like a mix. But it

1:36:19

could be that those were, yeah, also the pro

1:36:21

players jeering at her, laughing at her. Yeah.

1:36:25

I do feel like for the amount

1:36:27

that these characters play

1:36:29

catcher, you really don't get

1:36:31

more than Sure.

1:36:34

And it might be a 45. It's

1:36:37

like between a 45 and a 50. I don't know. I

1:36:39

feel like every score for this movie, I'm like, I'm between

1:36:41

these two things. Well, it's like if

1:36:44

we knew, I feel like this

1:36:46

is an interesting thing. If

1:36:49

the only thing that changed about the film in

1:36:52

terms of Jeong-ho's story was

1:36:55

that we knew definitively that he

1:36:57

was the catcher and then they

1:37:00

had maybe even like one tiny

1:37:02

conversation that was within specifically the

1:37:04

pitcher catcher dynamic, whether

1:37:06

it's like run to the mound and talk about

1:37:09

what to throw or like something like in

1:37:11

game or just some little thing, it

1:37:14

would be a much higher score. It would be

1:37:16

a much higher score. Yes. Because

1:37:18

we don't know if he's actually the

1:37:20

catcher, which would be so

1:37:22

lovable of him to be the catcher

1:37:25

for the team. And also that's like a

1:37:27

big deal, like a hot shot, hotshot

1:37:30

catcher getting signed. Yeah. Yeah.

1:37:33

Like Henry Davis of whatever. Yeah, exactly. I

1:37:35

feel like why would you not make that

1:37:37

a story point if it weren't? I kind

1:37:39

of tend to agree with you that maybe

1:37:42

he wasn't the everyday catcher just because if

1:37:44

you're going to do that, why wouldn't you

1:37:46

make use of it? Yes, but I

1:37:48

think I'm going to go 50. I

1:37:50

feel like because all three of them are

1:37:52

delightful in their own ways, going 45 feels

1:37:56

like there's some detraction there and there

1:37:59

really isn't. low ceiling. Yeah.

1:38:01

But I'll go with that. Sure.

1:38:03

What about delightfulness of an announcer? I think

1:38:06

we might be announcer free in this

1:38:08

one. We are. I don't believe there's

1:38:10

ever an announcer. We don't see stuff

1:38:12

televised, the games that we don't really

1:38:15

see don't really have an announcer component

1:38:17

that we can hear at least. We

1:38:19

get a decent number of 30s in

1:38:21

this category from time to time, but I think

1:38:24

a 20 is fairly rare and this is a

1:38:26

20. Yeah, it's a 20. I think we've

1:38:28

had a few. I think we've had a few 20s.

1:38:30

But I think they're pretty rare. A 30 is

1:38:32

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So our final Guys. And.

1:40:15

first saw the trailer was what I

1:40:18

assumed would be a clear lack

1:40:20

of misogyny in a film about a woman

1:40:22

trying to become a pro ball player. And

1:40:25

I don't think this film disappoints. There

1:40:28

are all kinds of

1:40:30

lack of misogyny points accrued here

1:40:33

from the misogyny of the guy

1:40:35

assuming that she must be lying that she

1:40:37

was on a baseball team and

1:40:39

not letting her try out to

1:40:42

the misogyny of the sort of

1:40:44

like pro scout guy who sees

1:40:46

her and is just like she's

1:40:48

really pretty objectifying her instead of

1:40:50

considering her a ball player because

1:40:52

this is all clearly if you're

1:40:54

just joining us. Misogyny

1:40:56

is a bad thing which is

1:40:58

good for positive lack of misogyny

1:41:01

points rather than sort of careless

1:41:03

or unconscious misogyny. Yeah, the

1:41:05

movie is it is kind

1:41:07

of confusing because it's like the movie is

1:41:09

showing great lack

1:41:11

of misogyny in its

1:41:14

very versatile depiction of

1:41:16

all of these misogynist

1:41:18

characters. Totally. And its point

1:41:20

of view on those characters. Totally. It

1:41:23

suddenly reminds me of what

1:41:25

felt to me like this

1:41:28

sort of anti-racism of

1:41:30

the court marshal of Jackie Robinson. Yeah.

1:41:33

Right? Where there's so

1:41:35

many different kinds of racism in that film.

1:41:38

And look, I'm

1:41:40

not comparing what Jackie Robinson

1:41:42

dealt with to what Sue is dealing with

1:41:45

in this film. For sure. But

1:41:47

that comparison suddenly came to mind. Yes, with all the different things.

1:41:50

I also like the scene where

1:41:52

Sue is frustrated that the reporter

1:41:54

wants to talk to her because

1:41:56

she knows she is unexceptional as

1:41:59

a baseball player. player and

1:42:01

is only interesting because she's a woman and

1:42:04

she just wants to be a baseball player. Yeah.

1:42:07

And I think that's the kind of nuance often missed

1:42:09

when you're talking about a group

1:42:11

that is a minority in any space,

1:42:13

i.e. a woman in baseball, that they

1:42:15

just want to be seen as valuable

1:42:19

rather than uplifted because they are

1:42:21

a minority. And obviously

1:42:23

people feel differently about these things, but

1:42:25

this is definitely an existing

1:42:28

and a valid point of view.

1:42:31

And I also like, I

1:42:33

think that for me, this counts in lack

1:42:35

of misogyny. We were talking about this point

1:42:38

earlier in storytelling, this movie's point

1:42:40

from beginning to end that it's just hard

1:42:42

to be a pro ball player. It's

1:42:44

a dream that a lot of young men have that they

1:42:46

don't get to achieve either. Yeah, like

1:42:49

most of them. Right. So

1:42:51

in that way, the films

1:42:56

has a sort of more equalizing view of

1:42:59

her, which is actually really lovely. Yeah.

1:43:02

And a good, like I guess just

1:43:04

in some ways where the starting point

1:43:06

of this movie is, this is

1:43:08

a little bit outside of lack of misogyny, but it

1:43:10

just, I think something you just said

1:43:13

clarified something about the space