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Welcome to Plastic Model Mojo

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, a podcast dedicated to scale

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modeling , as well as the news

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and events around the hobby . Let's

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join Mike and Kentucky Dave as they

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strive to be informative , entertaining

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and help you keep your

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modeling mojo alive .

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All right , Dave , it's 1.13 .

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We are well into 2024 now

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, man .

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I know April's here . We've

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had the 12-minute model sphere . It's time for this first episode this

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week and looking forward to this one

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. You mean this month ? Yes , this month . Well

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, it's the second thing we've dropped this week . Looking forward to this one ? You mean this month ? Yes , this month . Well , it's the second thing we've dropped

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this week .

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Yeah , that's true .

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Got a Mike and Dave spectacular tonight . There

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you go . Hope we pull it off .

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Yep .

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Well , man , what's up in your model sphere ?

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Well , as you can imagine , my

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model sphere is full

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. I've been reading the latest

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detail and scale on the P38

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, which really , really , really

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makes me want Tamiya

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to downsize their 48

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scale P38 . I've been

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organizing the

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additions that

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I picked up from HeritageCon

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and putting them in the proper

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places . I've been prepping

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for amps . I've

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been trying to . You know I'm

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pulled in a lot of directions , but it's

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all good , it's

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all feeling right . You

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know , let's put it this way , there's

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Mojo and that's what

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it's all about .

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How about your model Sphere ? I hope there's Mojo . That's what it's all about . How about your model sphere

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? I hope there's mojo . That's the name of the podcast yeah , I know

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, I know but

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I understand I'm pulled in a lot of directions

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too . I've been trying to get my build mojo

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going . We'll talk more about that in the benchtop

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halftime report . That's uh . Despite

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my desire , I've had a little

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trouble getting things moving on the bench this

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past week . So again

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more on that later . We've got a few things done , but

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you know , behind the scenes , like

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you said , we're getting ready for amps . Unfortunately

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we don't have to give the Roscoe

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Turner show the skip this year

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, but if anybody

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is in a commutable distance to that show in

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the uh greater Indianapolis area

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up there , I can't remember . Where is it ? Lebanon , indiana

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, is that right ?

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Yeah , I believe that is correct , that's correct

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Uh Northwest

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Indiana , indianapolis .

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That's right . Please go to that show , it's a good

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one . Michael raggy , special agent

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001 . Uh , actually

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, uh posted some show information

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to the plastic model dojo uh

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, just today in fact , and I had to let

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him know that we weren't going to be making it . Yeah

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, buddy asked if you're going to be in south bend . I

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said probably , so we

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could see him anyway listen .

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If it wasn't for amps being in south

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, we would definitely be at Roscoe

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Turner . It's just . There's no

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way we can pull off Heritage Con

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, Roscoe Turner and

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Amps and survive

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.

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In four weeks .

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Yeah .

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Yeah , that'd be a bad plan man .

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Yeah , that would be .

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Those days are over . Yeah , really

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, man , that's all I got . I've been trying to get the hotel

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lined up . We're going to take my car to

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South Bend , because it's not so far , so

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there's no rental car . Looking

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forward to that trip . It's going to be kind of a shotgun

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one because we can't get a very early

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start . We'll be heading up there on Friday morning

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and that's just the way it's got to be .

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Yeah .

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We are getting there , and it's been a long time coming

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.

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Yes , absolutely so

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, Mike . I am assuming

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that you have a modeling

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fluid for this episode .

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I do , I am drinking

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a bullet , but I'm drinking

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their 10-year . Oh

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, good choice . I found a new staple , so we'll

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have to see how that compares at the end of the episode . But

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we'll do that , but

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for now I think it'll get me through the episode

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. What about you ?

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Well , I am drinking

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something new and different from

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the brewery Beak and

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Skiff out of New York . I

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am drinking their Light Up

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the Night . Black Cherry Premium

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Hard Cider . I like black

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cherry as a flavor . This

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is new to me , so we'll see how it goes

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. I'm sure it's going to be

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good .

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Well , I hope so . Sounds at risk for tasting

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like NyQuil , but we'll see at the end

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. Yep , well

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, dave , folks have been sending in some listener mail

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man Good , and we probably ought

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to get into that . Yes , well

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, scott Huber from State College Pennsylvania

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wrote in last episode

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and he wanted to make a clarification . He's

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the one that mentioned that your Tamiya

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Engineering favorite , 72nd

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scale Zero , had lineage to their

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motorcycle kits and

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I guess we kind of thought maybe that was a little facetious

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or maybe we came across that way . Okay

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, but he's actually

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quite serious . So think about this

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a minute . A motorcycle

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has nowhere to hide anything

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. Alignment is pretty critical

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. Nowhere to hide anything , alignment

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is pretty critical . So if anything's out of whack anywhere , it's

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going to cause visible fit issues and

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frustrating fit and alignment issues all

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throughout the build . So

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Scott contends that when

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they started cutting their teeth on these motorcycle kits

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20 years ago , that they were laying the foundation

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for what would become exemplary

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engineering across the product line .

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I would not argue with that . That

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analysis makes sense to

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me . I think that that's

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absolutely true that motorcycle

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kits are complex

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and because

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of the fact that they are so exposed

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, I think it makes perfect sense

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that the

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experience that Tamiya

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gained doing those

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and making those kits better and

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better definitely

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shows itself in

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their other kits , their

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other military kits , post

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the motorcycles .

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Yeah , and I suspect maybe the Formula One stuff

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kind of crept in there as well .

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Yeah , I could see that argument

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as well .

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It's an interesting observation and

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thanks for raising it . Well

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, dave Tony at Horizon Models is making

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us aware of their 72nd

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scale Atlas Agena . Yes , so , folks , if you're into real space , this is hot on the heels

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of our last episode , making us aware of their 72nd scale Atlas Agena . Yes , so , folks

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, if you're into real space , this is hot on the heels of our last episode

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.

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Yes , and I mentioned in that

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episode that the Atlas

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Agena are the first

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spaceship or the first

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US rockets

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. That I truly remember

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as a kid . That I truly remember as a

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kid . I

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remember the program and I remember how cool it was that they were

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going to dock in space . That hits

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all the member berries for me and

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I truly cannot wait for this

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kid . Member berries . Member

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berries . Don't you ever listen

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to film criticism ? They

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talk about member berries all

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the time .

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Yeah well , 16-year-old Dave needs

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to think about that statement .

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Ha , ha ha .

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Oh please .

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Mark Doremus from the greater Seattle

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area . Dave Mark is still

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in the hotel after his residential

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fire .

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Yeah .

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So that's unfortunate . That's probably going to take a little while

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.

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Oh listen , that's a slog

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Well .

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I hope they gave him a deal . Well

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, he's got a couple of musings here he'd like

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to make us aware of .

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All right .

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Well , he says his temporary living quarters

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are the same distance from work as his house , but

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it's on a more heavily trafficked route so

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he has more time in the car to listen to podcasts . You

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might think that's a good thing . Well , it isn't

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. Someone

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asks a question and it gets him off trying to answer

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the question . He misses several minutes of the conversation

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. A couple of times he's had to pause a podcast

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and compose a reply as he's driving

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along , or someone may make

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something controversial , a statement controversial

8:44

. That's not our show .

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Yeah , no .

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And he's got to argue with them . But the worst

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is and this is probably where we

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come in the worst is when someone describes

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a technique or a tool and he can't

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stop to take notes .

8:58

Well , that's the nice thing about a podcast

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as opposed to live radio . You

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know that you can always go back , fast

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forward through it , find that section

9:07

when you're sitting safely at

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your desk at work , where you can

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with a piece of paper and

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you're not in danger of getting

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in an auto accident . We don't want any

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of our listeners to

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get in auto accidents listening

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to our podcast .

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He also says that we've talked about

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reading in the past . Inspiration we get from

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reading you in particular , less so

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me .

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Absolutely . You're a photograph man

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. I'm definitely a reading

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guy .

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I like picture books . I'm still a kindergartner

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.

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Well , I wasn't going to go there , but

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yeah .

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Well , he was having trouble seeing the connection

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, probably because he wasn't reading enough , as he says here , lacking

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an adequate modeling bench because , yeah , he's on a hotel

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desk-ish kind of arrangement . He's

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been spending an hour or two every evening reading mostly World War II histories , in particular

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some research on the M3 Lee's building at the hotel . It's

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72nd scale , so it fits onto this tiny

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table . Yep , I hope you get better

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accommodations real soon , mark .

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I do too . But listen again

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. Once again proving that 72nd

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scale is the perfect scale . If

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you're burned out of your house , in your model

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room and you're forced to go

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live in a hotel , 72nd

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scale is just the right scale

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for building something on

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one of those little tiny hotel

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desks .

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Not to wish anybody's house burns down .

10:36

Oh , no , no , no , no , no , and

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we hope he gets to a more

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permanent accommodation soon .

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Well , he's inspired to try all sorts of new things

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, like a PB2Y Coronado

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Flower Class Corvette

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and maybe several

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M3 Lee Grant variants .

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You know the M3

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, if you watch the YouTubes

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of the Australian Armor Museum

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, they have because

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the Australians used a lot of

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m3s and because a lot were used

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in in burma and india

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and all uh . They have a number

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of them and those vehicles are fascinating

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up next , dave rock rozak

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.

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All right from detail and scale . Now you

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mentioned your p38 book , and that's

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exactly what we're going to talk about here

11:24

. Oh okay , uh rock is making

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us aware in more ways than one of

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their new detail and scale series , volume 18

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, the p38 lightning part one

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. So there's more to come , dave yes the

11:35

xp38 prototype through the p38

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h variants , also covers the f4a

11:41

and f5a photographic reconnaissance

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variants . The book's about the P-38

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Lightning folks and it's a really cool plane . This

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is a really good book , so pick it up if

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you're into such things . Yep , absolutely

11:52

, and he was at WrightCon vending

11:54

.

11:55

Oh , and I wish you and I had been

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able to do the Bachelor .

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The Bachelor model world tour .

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Yes , that would have been way cool .

12:04

It would have been would have been way cool . It would have been well , you know , we need to keep that

12:06

in mind . See if those shows are same weekend

12:08

next year . They probably won't be . Yeah

12:10

, but uh , you never know , we could still

12:13

do michigan toy yes , that's true

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. Also known as the hughestad up

12:18

next jason campbell , our

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uh tennessee gundam guy . He went to

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Atlanticon 2024 . Oh

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good , with a bunch of his Friday Gundam

12:26

group buddies nine of them total made

12:29

the trip down to Atlanta . They had a great time

12:31

.

12:31

Well , that's fantastic .

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He even taught Gundam with some people who were

12:35

intrigued by one of his builds and the

12:38

markings on the kit which he'd used , some embossed

12:40

dry transfer gilding on

12:43

some of the armor sections . Jason

12:45

, send us a picture of that . I think I know what you mean

12:47

, but I'd like to see it .

12:49

Absolutely , and post it in the dojo .

12:52

Now , as we all do at Scale Model Shows

12:54

, he

12:56

had some questionable financial

12:59

decisions . That's like I'm

13:01

not even going to say half , that's like 61%

13:04

of the fun of going to scale models .

13:05

Yes , absolutely .

13:07

Well , thank you , and their next show is going

13:09

to be the Knoxville show in late May . I

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think that's where we're going to feature in our model

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show showcase , so our spotlight

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coming up a little later this month . The

13:18

Knoxville club , and I don't know , man , we'll

13:20

have a little drought after after

13:22

amps . Maybe we can get down there , I

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know Well , again on the real space theme

13:27

. Dave , this is actually

13:29

a response from Mike Ida-Cavage , who's our guest

13:31

in episode 112 , talking about real

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space . It's proved pretty

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popular . Yeah

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, extremely . I'd sent

13:40

Mike Ida-Cavage a

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question because I'm probably

13:44

going to pick up that new Artemis kit from

13:46

. I guess it's an AMT branded

13:48

kit from round two . Yeah

13:50

, Maybe MPC , but I think it's AMT

13:52

. Yeah . Doesn't really matter . Round

13:55

two and that rocket

13:57

, in its current configuration , like

13:59

the several before it , including

14:01

the later shuttles , the external

14:03

fuel tank is orange

14:06

. Yeah , and I'd asked him about

14:08

you know , hey , what's the current

14:10

thought on the kind of the

14:12

color of that , because I think I'm going to get this Artemis

14:14

kit and

14:17

it's got the same kind of deal going on and that stuff is a spray insulation

14:19

.

14:20

Yes , it is .

14:21

That starts out a pale yellow and

14:24

as it ages in the sun and UV

14:26

light , from whatever source , it starts

14:29

creeping toward rust , brown and

14:32

orange .

14:33

Yep .

14:33

So another one of those . It depends

14:36

, or whatever

14:38

color you want to paint it .

14:39

Right .

14:41

Artistic license Would seem

14:43

so . Dave , mike , thank

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you for the , uh , the information

14:48

. He sent me . A lot more than that , but uh , we'll leave it that

14:50

for now . Sure , finally , easter

14:52

greetings from michael carnalco all

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right happy easter to both of

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us . Hope we squeeze in some modeling time

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and uh , we did not too productive

15:01

, but uh , we got

15:03

a little in . I ate too much . That's

15:06

the big thing . Well , I'm glad I watched that

15:08

. I did not eat too much . Oh , I ate

15:10

way too much . I was a spectator . His

15:12

question is in regards to recent manufacturers

15:15

which recent new manufacturer

15:17

did you miss getting a kit from before it vanished

15:19

or folded up shop ? Now he

15:22

is referencing a kit from Di

15:25

park . You remember them ? No god

15:27

, they had some vespa scooters , kind

15:29

of vietnam themed oh yeah , yeah

15:32

, right , yep , uh . And

15:35

then he also references

15:37

a soviet stz tractor and

15:39

then one with a katusha rocket on the back of

15:41

it that seems to have vanished , and he's also late

15:43

in the game for the 35th skill Vickers light

15:45

tank . Well , I can answer a few

15:48

things on some of these Diopark . I don't know what

15:50

happened to them . I know Gecko

15:52

is starting to release some Vietnam

15:54

war themed diorama

15:56

friendly figure sets

15:59

and accessory sets .

16:01

And I think they have that three wheel .

16:04

They got like yeah , the little taxi thing .

16:06

Yeah , the little taxi , not

16:08

the two-wheel Vespa thing , but the three-wheel

16:11

scooter thing that you

16:13

see all over China . If you go to

16:15

China , so I would watch

16:17

out .

16:18

Yeah , I wouldn't pay the eBay ransom

16:21

price for the Dial-A-Part Vespa because I think that's

16:23

probably coming somewhere else . Now

16:25

that the Soviet STZ was , it's

16:27

either Rish or Vulcan , I can't remember . Yeah

16:30

, I could go back to my stash and I could answer this , but

16:32

we're not going to do that . They released

16:34

an STZ tractor in

16:37

Soviet and German markings . The

16:39

Katyusha version was to be released

16:41

by one or the other , but not

16:43

the same one along with their own

16:45

STZ . So when the STZ came out

16:48

, from whichever one of these actually

16:50

released it , another company was going to do it

16:52

as well and they never released the kits

16:54

. So there was an STZ release

16:56

, two boxings . The only difference

16:58

was the nationality who was operating the

17:00

vehicle . But the Katusha launch version

17:02

was never tooled , never got released

17:05

, and that second SDZ kit , soviet

17:07

, from that same manufacturer , never got

17:09

released . So you really didn't miss that one . It

17:11

never happened . Now the Vickers , I think

17:13

, is from Vulcan and that thing's readily

17:16

available on eBay and it's really not

17:18

terribly expensive . I don't know if anybody

17:20

else is making it or not , but those things

17:22

are out there . Now , is there anything that I

17:24

missed ? Personally , I can

17:26

say that the Katusha version of the STZ

17:28

was one that I thought I'd missed , until

17:30

it turned out on ScaleMates that

17:33

it never appeared out of the vapor

17:35

, so I guess I didn't miss it . I

17:37

don't know . The things I typically miss are

17:39

aftermarket resin items that

17:41

I push off and push off , and push off and

17:43

off and then they're gone . Now let me tell

17:45

you an out-of-production scale model kit is way

17:48

easier to find than a piece of aftermarket

17:50

yes , yeah

17:52

, yeah , as a matter of fact , mr

17:55

.

17:55

Mr hughes dad was looking for

17:57

a edward photo

18:00

x set that was no longer in production

18:02

. He was finally able to find it

18:04

, but yeah , it was a

18:06

slog locating , and

18:09

you're right , the model kits are

18:11

actually a whole lot easier

18:14

to locate .

18:14

What about you , man ? Is there anything you

18:17

missed ?

18:17

There's nothing that comes in off

18:20

the top of my head that

18:22

I missed , but

18:24

I'm with you . The things

18:26

that I know that I've missed have

18:29

been photo etch resin

18:32

or decal sheets

18:34

. I think one of the reasons I have the

18:36

obsession with the

18:38

decal sheets that I do is

18:41

the fact that I have

18:43

passed on decal sheets

18:46

and then later

18:48

regretted it . And you know , decal

18:51

sheets tend to be very short runs

18:54

. They're one run and when they're gone

18:56

they're gone . There are several of those

18:58

over the years that I've gone . Darn , I

19:00

wish I'd gotten when I

19:02

saw them at this show or that show .

19:05

It's probably something you wish you had doubled up on , so

19:07

you'd have some barter material down the road

19:09

.

19:09

That too , yes , absolutely

19:12

.

19:12

Well , dave , that's it from the email side . What's been happening

19:14

on direct message ? Well ?

19:16

on direct message . Really

19:18

, the direct messages have fallen

19:21

into two categories . Direct

19:23

messages have fallen into two categories . One category

19:25

is people who've direct messaged

19:27

to say they absolutely

19:30

love the real space episode Dave

19:32

Goldfinch , john Chung , a

19:35

number of folks saying

19:37

they really really liked

19:39

the real space episode , real

19:41

Space episode and in with those

19:44

are the people who saw

19:46

us at Heritage Con and shouted

19:48

out to us on DMs

19:51

, either while we were traveling there or while

19:53

we were traveling back On

19:55

the other side . We've got the folks who

19:57

are looking forward to seeing

19:59

us at AMPS People

20:02

Brandon Jacobs just DMed

20:05

yesterday . Oh yeah , I

20:08

saw that one . So the DMs

20:10

haven't been as much substance

20:13

as they normally are

20:15

. They really just have fallen into

20:17

the categories of hey

20:19

, I love the Real Space episode

20:21

, hey , hope to see you at HeritageCon

20:24

, glad I saw you at HeritageCon . And

20:26

then folks are

20:28

saying really looking forward

20:30

to seeing you at AMP . So it's

20:33

been a lot of short back and

20:35

forth as opposed to more long form

20:38

discussion .

20:39

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24:35

Well , dave , our special segment tonight is a

24:37

potpourri of things . We

24:39

recorded a couple of segments at Heritage Con and

24:42

then we've got a topic we're going to pontificate

24:44

on a little bit , and I think the first

24:46

up is going to be a special segment

24:49

from our friend , ian McCauley , from

24:51

up in Ottawa , who we saw at HeritageCon

24:53

. Well

24:58

, dave , we made it . Yes , we did . We

25:00

made it to HeritageCon again HeritageCon 16

25:03

. Yes , we did . We made it to Heritage

25:05

Con again Heritage Con 16 . And part of all this , the best part , is getting to see

25:07

all our Canadian friends that we only see online for

25:09

the rest of the year . So we got one here

25:12

, ian McCauley .

25:13

How are you doing , buddy ? I'm doing well , good to

25:15

see you guys , that's right .

25:18

Good to see you , and you're up here representing Hobby

25:21

Center , the shop up there , up your way , right

25:23

that's right , that's right .

25:24

After I retired , took a job there two days

25:26

a week with Bill , great guy

25:28

, great store , lots of fun . We've

25:30

got lots of deals up here , so it's been

25:32

busy . This is the first time I've been able to walk

25:34

around and see what's going on , not just standing

25:37

behind the table .

25:38

Well , that's good .

25:39

Now , how many tables did Hobby Center

25:41

have here at the Six Six

25:43

?

25:43

Yeah , that's pretty good .

25:45

That's pretty good .

25:46

Business . Brisk Business has been extremely

25:49

brisk yeah well , they take this funny plastic

25:51

money . It's great , it's great , but

25:53

it's easy to tell apart .

25:56

Yeah , so did you bring something to enter

25:58

in the contest ?

25:59

I did . I brought five different

26:02

cars and

26:04

a BMP-1 and

26:07

an AMX-30 . Oh

26:09

, okay , they're all on the table now . I haven't

26:11

even had a chance to go and look at

26:13

the table yet , so I'll have to go do that soon .

26:15

The models are great . It's slightly fewer

26:18

than last year's unbelievable

26:20

record number , but the

26:22

categories are full . It's

26:27

a little less crowded so you can get to actually see the models yeah

26:29

, that's the best part .

26:30

And there's a still a ton of vendors like

26:32

oh yes , unbelievable amount of vendors

26:35

, yep , they've gotten .

26:36

They've gotten a fair amount of my money . I

26:39

see that they've gotten a little of yours , a little bit

26:41

of mine .

26:41

Yeah , yeah is that the only thing you've

26:43

bought ? No , I bought . Um , one

26:46

of my buddies won a okay

26:48

, I'm gonna make a fool of myself here won an airplane

26:50

kit . Remember the one I was talking to you about ? I

26:52

said , when it comes in british markings

26:54

and american markings , and it had

26:57

just come out by to me , again with british marking

26:59

, uh , I don't know

27:01

which one I don't remember anyway one of

27:03

the guys in the group won that

27:05

as a door prize . He didn't want it . I bought

27:07

it off him . All right . So I've got . It Shows

27:10

how much I know airplanes . So you're getting

27:12

deals , I'm getting deals , I'm getting deals

27:14

. Yeah , and I got a Hasegawa 68

27:18

Toyota Corolla for $20 . Oh good

27:20

, I was happy with that too .

27:21

Good , well , that's interesting . I think that's

27:24

a do you build ? I don't

27:27

want to call them real cars , but normal

27:29

street cars much , you know .

27:31

what's funny is I've always built American

27:34

cars . You know

27:36

rods , street rods , stuff like that . But I've been

27:38

hanging out with guys that like

27:40

to build European and Japanese cars and

27:43

it sort of turned me on to them and I've been building

27:45

them now and they're fabulous kids

27:47

, amazing kids .

27:49

I'll tell you what . For car

27:53

builders , car modelers , this

27:55

show is a great show . Not only are

27:57

there lots of cars entered , but

27:59

a fair number of the vendors

28:02

have lots

28:04

of car models and car accessories

28:06

which at some shows you might

28:08

not see quite as much .

28:09

No , exactly no , it's good there's

28:12

been quite a turnout for the cars , which

28:14

is nice to see .

28:19

Got hecklers , hecklers .

28:21

Who is that guy anyway . Hecklers

28:24

, who is that guy anyway ?

28:27

well , uh , so now you

28:30

all are vending until close

28:32

the show .

28:32

close the show , and then we're packing up and we'll

28:34

probably do dinner with you guys , yep

28:37

, and then head out to the dojo and uh

28:39

, we're , we're staying over the . We usually

28:41

pack up and head for home , but

28:43

I talked Bill into staying an extra night primarily

28:46

because you guys were here , okay , and I knew I wouldn't get to

28:48

see much of you before .

28:50

All right , Hopefully we'll see you this evening . Yeah

28:52

, so we'll have some fun this evening .

28:53

Talk about all the fun we had . Sounds good , man .

28:56

All right . Thanks for stopping by . We'll catch up with

28:58

you later . Well

29:01

, dave Ian was pretty busy with the

29:04

Hobby Center , but he did come by that last night

29:06

and went to dinner with us and hung out at the

29:08

dojo .

29:09

Had a great time . It was really good seeing

29:11

Ian .

29:17

Dave , we cooked this one up on the

29:19

way to and on the way from HeritageCon

29:22

.

29:22

Yeah .

29:23

We were talking about model kit instructions

29:25

kind of the good , bad and ugly around

29:27

that and thought that might make an interesting

29:30

discussion . Yes , I'm

29:32

sure the listeners can relate to this and hopefully

29:34

they'll get back with us and give

29:36

us some feedback about what

29:38

they think about kit instructions . But to start

29:41

this off , let's frame this a

29:43

little bit so folks will have some context

29:45

as to where each of us are coming

29:47

from , because they probably overlap

29:49

a little bit but they're probably not exactly the

29:51

same place . What type of instruction

29:54

follower ?

29:55

are you Not as good as I

29:57

should be ? What

30:07

? Ironically , after 30 plus years building models , I am now getting

30:09

to the point where I follow the instructions more rather than less . Now

30:11

I still look through them and I still think

30:13

, no , I don't want to do this in that

30:15

order , especially on

30:17

aircraft , where it comes to landing

30:20

gear , which , if you can

30:22

, you almost always want to add it at the

30:24

end . Some kits don't allow

30:26

that , and if you look through the instructions

30:28

ahead of time , you'll know

30:30

that , so that you don't get caught in that trap

30:32

. But I'm actually

30:35

becoming more and more of

30:37

a believer in closely

30:39

following the instructions than

30:42

I used to be . When I first

30:44

started modeling , I glanced at instructions

30:47

and basically took them as

30:49

nothing more than a suggestion

30:51

for the way a particular

30:53

kid ought to be built .

30:56

How about you ? Well

30:58

, before we get to me , I would say for you , though

31:00

, that that's interesting . I would think you

31:02

would learn to experience to deviate

31:05

for the very reasons you said , where

31:07

things might be better put in somewhere

31:09

else . Like you mentioned landing

31:11

gear , you know , especially from from

31:14

when I was building a lot of when

31:16

I was a kid , mind you a

31:19

lot of 72nd scale , two and

31:21

four engine planes , almost

31:24

all those old kits . When you assemble the wings

31:26

, you got to put the landing gear

31:28

in right , you had to . They were trapped

31:31

landing gear right , so you

31:33

know what happened later down the road oh , yeah , oh

31:36

yeah , they got broken off

31:38

. Now there's some engineering you probably do on the side

31:40

there and figure out a way to put those in later

31:42

, and that's a whole different topic .

31:45

But for me I'm

31:47

kind of a ish instructions

31:50

person Now

31:53

you're barely a kit person to begin

31:55

with , surprising

32:04

that instructions are maybe less important because

32:06

, heck you , you're many times not using half the

32:09

parts in a kit .

32:09

Well , that's probably another topic too , but I would

32:11

think , well , for aircraft , particularly

32:14

multi-engine versus single engine , some

32:17

of those things are are pretty different

32:19

. You

32:21

know , there's some traditional build steps and some

32:24

of those kits that are like

32:26

, again , the trapped landing gear versus a single

32:28

engine plane probably puts them in later , right Right

32:31

, armor kits for the most part

32:33

tend to follow the same

32:36

build sequence , regardless of the manufacturer

32:38

, regardless of the subject . Regardless of the manufacturer

32:40

, regardless of the subject , typically it's lower

32:43

hull running gear , upper hull fittings

32:45

, turret gun , and that's

32:48

kind of the way it goes , right , right

32:50

. So you can kind of get mind

32:52

numb to some of that , especially if

32:54

you're doing a lot of research and you kind of know the subject pretty

32:56

well and think through a project which

32:59

maybe that's another show topic later

33:01

down the road . But typically the

33:03

armor type instructions are

33:05

pretty straightforward . Now

33:09

we'll get into some examples here where they're

33:11

not so much , but for me I'm still kind of they're

33:14

not rules , they're guidelines , to

33:18

quote Pirates of the Caribbean .

33:19

Oh , a movie reference rather than a song

33:21

reference . That's right , let's

33:25

talk about where this

33:27

discussion first started . We

33:30

acquired the

33:33

Flyhawk BT-7

33:35

kit in 72nd scale

33:37

. Yep , we did , and this

33:40

kit's instructions are

33:42

really really

33:45

good . I mean very

33:47

much state-of-the-art . It's

33:50

a booklet . Each instruction

33:53

shows the assembly

33:55

of the parts in that step , but

33:58

they're color-coded and

34:01

each part is called out , color-coded

34:04

, at the top of the step

34:06

, in addition to showing

34:08

the parts being assembled

34:10

. It's really

34:13

state-of-the-art instructions

34:16

. And

34:24

you , because of what you do at work , you have to , you know , lay out instructions , and you

34:26

were saying you were going to use these as an example

34:29

at work to show people

34:31

a really , really good

34:33

set of instructions , really clear

34:36

. Oh yeah , really step by step . And

34:38

I think you and I were both impressed

34:41

by the

34:43

level of quality . I mean , this

34:45

is a 72nd scale Russian

34:48

BT-7 tank . It's not that

34:51

big , that's like four inches long

34:53

, yeah , and this instruction

34:56

booklet is just really

34:58

one of the best things I think I've ever

35:00

seen come along as

35:03

far as that regard goes .

35:05

Well , it's interesting because I have a Flyhawk , dauntless

35:08

Uh-huh and the instructions in that

35:10

are good , but they're not like this tank

35:12

kit .

35:13

Yeah , and that Flyhawk

35:15

Dauntless . That's only

35:17

two years ago , maybe

35:20

two and a half .

35:22

I guess my fear is we're sitting here

35:24

raving about this BT kit

35:26

. Now it was released last year . Right

35:28

, it's the first fly Hawk

35:31

armor kit I've ever had in my hand . So

35:33

I don't know what you know , like their

35:35

FT 17 , some of their first ones , what

35:37

, what they , what the instructions for those look like . I

35:39

don't know if this is new or if it's old hat . So

35:41

if it's old hat and we're talking like it's brand new

35:44

, sorry folks , but it's

35:46

new to us . It's new to us . We were ignorant

35:48

before and we opened this kit up and we're

35:50

like holy crap , man . This is why

35:52

can't they all be like this ?

35:54

Well , and this kind of caused you

35:56

and I to reminisce we're

36:10

talking about back in the 60s and 70s with the early

36:12

Matchbox and early Airfix or Revell or whatever , where you didn't

36:14

get a set of instructions , all you got was an exploded view

36:16

of all the parts , that kind of suggested where

36:19

they all went together , suggested

36:25

how where they all went together . But nothing there , you know , there was nothing step

36:27

by step by step about a lot of those early kids . It was just

36:30

here's all the parts , what they look

36:32

like off the sprue , and you

36:34

kind of put them together so that

36:36

they all look like this at the end

36:38

.

36:39

Well , that's kind of my next bullet . Examples

36:41

of bad instructions . Oh

36:43

god , which , in this early

36:45

, early era of plastic modeling

36:47

, uh , but all I could , by

36:49

contemporary standards , they were all bad

36:51

yeah and ones that come to mind

36:54

is is when we were up at columbus I picked up

36:56

two airfix bristol bloodhounds

36:58

yes . Not the new

37:00

vintage classic release

37:03

.

37:03

These were original pressings .

37:05

I got one from the 60s

37:07

and one from the 70s and

37:10

it's interesting back to

37:12

this real space if you listen to the latest

37:14

OTB . Dave Goldfinch just picked

37:16

up one of the new Bristol Bloodhounds as well . Yes

37:19

, I know . Well

37:22

, back to the old ones . Uh

37:24

, the 60 , the sixties version

37:26

of the kit I picked up . The

37:28

instructions for that thing are all verbiage

37:30

. Oh really , there's a drawing

37:33

off to the side of that that

37:35

shows the parts with numbers .

37:37

Yeah .

37:38

But it's not an exploded view . Yeah , but it's not an exploded

37:41

view . An exploded view would , in

37:43

my mind , in my engineering mind , has

37:46

dash trace lines back to the

37:48

intersection and interface points

37:50

on those parts . This is just an

37:52

outlay of the parts with numbers next to them

37:54

, and then the assembly instructions

37:57

are verbiage . So if you couldn't read

37:59

your , you're up the

38:01

Creek man . I don't

38:04

know how many people out that out there that would include

38:06

in the scale model world , but uh , certainly

38:08

, uh , you , you would uh need to be literate

38:10

to uh to follow these instructions

38:13

. Literate and English literate

38:15

and English . Now , by contrast

38:18

and comparison , the 70s kit

38:20

did away with the verbiage and

38:22

pretty much just had exploded

38:24

views with the dashed lines . It

38:28

kind of went wholly the other way . So the

38:30

instructions in my 70s pressing

38:33

of the Bristol Bloodhound , it's kind of reminiscent

38:35

. It's probably the exact same instructions

38:37

that would have been on a

38:39

carded blister airfix kit . I

38:42

don't know if they boxed the Bristol Bloodhound

38:44

that way or not . I don't think they did . I

38:46

don't think they did either , but I've got a couple in

38:48

the stash that are some other subjects

38:51

that are . I looked at them before we started

38:53

tonight . So , yeah , that's what they did

38:55

.

38:56

Well , and that's interesting because I can guarantee

38:58

you , between those two releases of

39:00

that same kit , they

39:02

did little or nothing to

39:04

the molds or to the kit itself

39:07

, but the one thing they did go back

39:09

, apparently do and redo was

39:12

the instruction sheet Yep

39:14

, which I think is kind of interesting

39:16

. And

39:29

also I would speculate , given how bad most all

39:31

of the instruction sheets in the 60s and 70s were

39:33

, maybe

39:38

one of the reasons that modelers don't follow the instructions is that we all grew up with

39:40

really bad instructions and so we got used to not paying attention to them or paying

39:43

less than full attention

39:45

to them .

39:46

Certainly the folks in our demographic .

39:48

Yes , exactly .

39:50

Maybe the Evans of the world are spoiled

39:52

.

39:53

You know what I'd love to hear from , because

39:56

I don't know and have never seen them the

39:58

Gundam builders . Oh

40:00

yeah , I would love to hear from

40:02

you all about what

40:04

the gundam instructions are like

40:06

well , I've built one .

40:08

I built that musaru gundam . Oh , that's right

40:10

, you did and it's . The instructions are

40:12

good . Uh , I think the thing that's

40:14

the challenge there is there's just so many sprues

40:17

yeah yeah , so

40:19

you can , you can get , uh , you can get

40:21

a little bit of an overload , but the instruction is generally good

40:23

. But I would like to hear some

40:25

hardcore Gundam builder expound

40:28

on that a little bit .

40:29

Yeah , really , and you know that's

40:31

another point you raised you talked about

40:33

with the Gundam kits with

40:35

so many sprues we're

40:37

seeing , particularly in armor . You're

40:39

seeing armor kits with five

40:41

and 600 pieces . Are

40:44

the instructions on those commensurately

40:47

complicated ?

40:49

Well , I think a lot of that's burned up in

40:51

the tracks which is kind of handled in one

40:53

step , so sure . I don't know

40:55

. Maybe and you

40:57

know , I've got this examples of bad instructions

40:59

bullet on my outline here and

41:01

we've talked about these Airfix kits

41:03

. Another one from my memory are

41:06

the instructions . Now , I experienced

41:08

them in the 1970s , mostly with

41:11

their 48 scale aircraft

41:13

kits , but the instructions were a legacy

41:15

from the 60s , maybe even earlier

41:17

. Where they were the dark photograph

41:20

, oh yeah . Where they were the dark photograph , oh yeah , and the verbiage

41:22

instructions and the things had been copied

41:24

so many times that the

41:26

photos were almost useless . Yeah

41:29

.

41:30

It was all the not screen

41:32

printing I forget what they call that like

41:36

the old photographs in newspapers

41:38

.

41:48

Yeah , newspapers yeah , and man , generationally , those things did quickly become just unusable . You got

41:50

an example any other example of bad instructions . I've got one more , but I'll let you

41:52

jump in here man , uh , I .

41:54

I have burned into my memory

41:56

several matchbox

41:59

kits where the

42:01

the problem that you had and this

42:03

is probably across all of

42:05

the or many , I don't want to say all

42:07

that many of the

42:09

60s and 70s and

42:12

maybe even early 80s kits were

42:14

the vague placement instructions

42:17

that you know

42:19

. Here's the part and

42:21

here's where you put it , here's the

42:24

part you attach it to . But

42:26

yeah , these are both butt

42:29

joints and somewhere

42:32

in about here . Just , the

42:34

placement

42:37

was so vague on so many

42:39

of those kits it was easy to mess

42:41

them up . So vague on so

42:43

many of those kits

42:45

it was easy to mess them up , whereas you'd

42:47

look at , say , the

42:56

Flyhawk kit or the Arma Mustang that I did for the Musaru , and their

42:58

placement is pretty darn exacting and it just makes it so

43:01

much more pleasant to

43:03

build .

43:04

Well , you mentioned Moosaroo , the one . I just finished that ICM

43:06

kit and I'll talk more about it

43:08

in the Bench Top Halftime Report . But for

43:11

this segment on instructions Julian

43:13

raised it in his

43:16

dish on OTB the

43:18

one that particularly irked him , and it did

43:20

me as well , was there are a couple of

43:22

parts three or four that have to be placed

43:24

by measurement Right

43:27

. There's no demarcation

43:30

on the parts or locating features

43:32

on the mating surfaces

43:34

for these things . You have to actually measure from

43:36

a point on the chassis to

43:38

make this all work and , uh , if

43:40

you're wrong it won't work . So I came up with

43:42

a little workaround I'll talk about later for one of

43:44

those Not that big a deal .

43:48

But is this a take on the old

43:50

measure twice glue

43:52

once instead of measure twice cut

43:54

once ?

43:55

Yeah , I think that's a fair assessment . Yeah , you

43:57

probably should . And then , just another

43:59

aspect of that build was the

44:02

uh . Because of the vagueness of

44:04

not so much part location

44:06

but sequence , uh-huh

44:09

, sequence was very important . There

44:11

were a couple places on that kit that

44:14

, uh , you could assemble yourself

44:16

into a corner and that's a completely

44:18

different , a completely different

44:21

area .

44:21

Where not are the bad instructions

44:23

, but the instructions are actually wrong

44:26

. I don't want to wrong may not

44:28

be the word . They're badly

44:31

engineered .

44:33

Right , they weren't wrong , they were just

44:35

not . There was not enough detail

44:37

.

44:38

Yeah .

44:39

So you're assembling A and B to

44:41

C ? Yeah , so you're assembling A and

44:43

B to C . Well , if you assemble B to C before

44:45

A , you can't fit A on there because

44:47

B's in the way .

44:49

Right , and there's no indication in

44:51

the instructions that you should do A

44:53

first .

44:54

Right , because it's not sequenced that way , right , you know , luckily experience got

44:56

me through that , but that's not always the case , right ? Right , you know , luckily

44:59

experience got me through that , but

45:01

that's not always the case , right ? Right

45:04

, I could see somebody newer to modeling

45:06

building that kit and then putting

45:09

the running boards on the cab , and

45:12

now they can't fit the cab interior

45:14

in without some modifying

45:16

the part no-transcript

45:46

.

45:47

Generally , you should do this before

45:49

you do that , hence all my

45:52

aircraft questions to you .

45:54

Well , that's what I'm here for

45:56

. Well , another

45:58

example of

46:00

what I would consider bad instructions

46:02

is just dragging

46:04

.

46:05

Oh , those are legendarily

46:08

bad instructions .

46:10

And it's so unnecessary . I

46:13

think that's what gripes a lot of people . Right

46:17

, how to say this . They have probably

46:19

saved a lot of money internal

46:22

to their company . By the way . They have kitted

46:24

subjects and their

46:26

sub variants Mm-hmm

46:28

Right . Problem is you

46:31

end up with a kit that

46:33

has like a really high percentage

46:35

of unused parts .

46:37

Right , Because they've taken

46:40

two sprues from kit

46:42

A , three sprues

46:44

from kit B , two sprues

46:46

from kit C and

46:49

thrown them all in a box to make variant

46:51

D , which only

46:53

uses about half of the

46:56

parts from each sprue Exactly

46:58

, and I completely get it .

47:01

Oh yeah , from a manufacturing

47:03

standpoint that makes great sense the

47:06

problem is you get a kit that's got

47:08

eight sprues in it when it should have had six , right

47:12

, or could have had six I won't say should

47:14

have and then where this kind

47:16

of bites them in the butt is the

47:18

instructions . So you've got a , a

47:20

sprue diagram that's got all this blued

47:23

out area of crap You're not supposed to use , right

47:26

, well , that takes care of some of it , but

47:29

it would appear that they're pulling

47:31

and picking from , uh , multiple

47:34

instruction sheets sometimes to create the new

47:36

one .

47:37

Gotcha .

47:38

And just stuff falls through

47:40

the cracks and wrong

47:43

parts , wrong part numbers , wrong

47:45

part placement , and it's

47:47

just a

47:49

litany of those those type of errors

47:51

through their instruction sheets and it just

47:53

it frustrates a lot of people . Now

47:55

I got to say I've I mean

47:57

Dragon Kids . I even built in my snail's

48:00

pace modeling career . There's

48:03

a few I can think of . There

48:06

probably is , and most of them weren't terrible , because

48:08

I've probably never built any Dragon Sturmgeschütz

48:11

or Panzer IIIs or SDKFC

48:13

250s or any of these that

48:15

they have 10 variants of . That's

48:18

got to be frustrating .

48:20

Yeah .

48:22

So for those subjects

48:24

you kind of really need to know . Kind of like

48:26

Evan in the Sturmgeschütz right , you got to know

48:28

what that particular sub-variant

48:30

was built with .

48:32

Yeah , you got to have a real

48:34

familiarity .

48:36

You got any more bad instructions ?

48:38

Well , okay , this

48:40

is . It's not really

48:42

bad . It is

48:44

an example of a

48:47

company doing the right thing . A

48:49

few years ago , Arma released

48:51

a series of 72nd

48:53

scale Wildcats F4F3

48:56

, F4F2 , or

48:59

I mean F4 , F4 , FM

49:01

2 . And

49:03

in their instructions

49:05

, the Wildcat

49:07

has a very complex landing

49:10

gear . You know , it's just

49:13

really complex , and

49:23

their initial set of instructions for these kits

49:25

or at least some of them I think they may have actually corrected it in the

49:28

instructions later they weren't wrong , but they just weren't

49:30

as clear as they could be , and

49:32

so a number of people had real frustrations

49:35

with it , and what ARMA did

49:37

was they

49:39

drew attention to this and

49:41

then they did a blog post

49:44

on their site where

49:46

they said here

49:48

is a

49:51

much more clearer and fuller

49:53

explanation of how

49:55

this should work in order to

49:57

get the end result

50:00

. And I

50:02

got to give them credit for doing that , Because

50:05

a lot of model companies just push

50:07

the stuff out and shut

50:09

up , and you know if people

50:12

criticize them

50:14

down the road , they do . They

50:16

live with it . Arma , actually

50:18

, those guys are really

50:21

pretty customer sensitive and

50:24

they realized this was an issue

50:26

and they did what

50:28

they could to help

50:31

clarify the instructions , and

50:33

I wish more companies

50:35

would do that . It would be great

50:37

if companies , when

50:40

they produced a kit , would

50:43

not only give you an instruction

50:45

booklet in the kit , but if

50:47

they did a build blog post

50:49

where they showed you , with

50:52

very clear photos and

50:54

verbiage , what the

50:56

instructions were meant to illustrate

50:58

. I think that would be fairly

51:01

low cost and would be a great

51:03

aid to modelers .

51:05

It's interesting Now you mentioned Arma

51:07

. Now there was some issues on

51:09

the P-51 for the Moose Root Cup

51:11

build .

51:13

And this is not because the instructions

51:15

were bad . The instructions were

51:18

excellent , were excellent . The thing

51:20

is that one kit

51:22

can be built in six

51:25

or seven different variants

51:27

. Arma

51:36

included all sorts of variations in that one kit , so you could produce all these

51:38

different variants . Well , these all had real

51:40

subtle changes in

51:42

many places , including

51:44

things getting down to the detail

51:47

of eliminating certain

51:49

panel lines or certain

51:53

, you know , like fuel filler caps

51:55

or something that were engraved into the

51:57

fuselage if you were building version

51:59

three . And the thing

52:02

is , the instructions are very

52:04

, very good and very , very clear , but

52:07

there were so many branching

52:09

variants

52:11

at a couple of steps that it was

52:13

really easy , if you

52:15

didn't pay super attention

52:18

, that it was really

52:20

easy for you to

52:22

make a mistake

52:24

, not because of the fact that

52:26

each

52:29

instruction step was very

52:32

content , dense , and

52:34

really the thing could have benefited

52:36

from almost being

52:39

twice as long , with

52:41

each step being a

52:43

little less dense so that

52:45

the variation stood out more

52:48

. But it

52:50

was a great kit .

52:51

I think one thing I remember you mentioning

52:54

was that might have been a , have

52:57

been a benefit to , to , to

52:59

rectify , and some of that was if just

53:01

the thing was printed bigger .

53:04

Yes , yes , absolutely

53:06

. Some of those , some of those notations

53:09

and variations , it

53:11

I mean , cause you again . They were packing

53:14

a lot into each step , so

53:17

the print for some variations

53:20

in a particular step were

53:22

particularly small . And so

53:24

, yeah , could have benefited with either

53:27

the whole instruction set being

53:29

twice as large , set

53:36

being twice as large , which might have been a little crazy , or the instructions being

53:38

twice as numerous and each step simplified

53:41

down a little bit so there were less

53:43

choices to be made

53:46

in each

53:48

construction step .

53:50

Yeah , so like an index of the variance , and then

53:52

you just skip ahead to A , b , c , d or E , which had a bigger diagram . Yeah

53:54

, so like an index of the variance , and then you just skip ahead to A , b , c , d or E , which had

53:56

a bigger diagram and

53:58

only included those parts .

54:00

Exactly .

54:01

Okay , well , maybe somebody from ARM is listening

54:03

.

54:04

Yeah , listen , if you are , please

54:06

. We'd love your feedback . I love your kits

54:08

, so what can you think

54:10

of as good instructions

54:12

?

54:13

Well , there's good and good enough , right

54:15

? I mean , if you're , like

54:17

we've already established , coming at this , from the way I come

54:19

at it , there's a good enough instructions

54:21

, that kind of outline , the

54:24

suggested sequence of things , right

54:26

, so I think I'm always

54:29

going to think it's going to be a good enough kind

54:31

of instructions . But you know , good , good

54:33

enough . Whichever , um

54:35

, I tell you , most modern

54:37

manufacturers Now I'm speaking from a position

54:39

of 35th scale armor , most

54:42

of the major manufacturers , even

54:46

the ones who've only come on the scene in the last 10

54:49

years or less , yeah , generally

54:51

all of those have pretty good

54:53

instructions , other than the , the

54:55

, the nuances that we've

54:57

talked about around the , like the dragon

55:00

instructions , right , and I only

55:02

mentioned that . You know those , those kits now

55:04

are are probably most of them are outside

55:07

this 10 year window I just established

55:09

. But , right , dragon

55:12

seems to be reconstituting their armor

55:14

line and a lot of the stuff's getting re-released

55:16

again and you know , I seriously

55:19

doubt they've modernized

55:22

their instruction sheets , right , so

55:25

to me is is a no-brainer

55:27

, right ? Right , they tend

55:29

to break their assemblies down

55:31

into what would be a logical sequence

55:35

of assembly and they kind of limited

55:37

each step to a manageable number

55:39

of parts .

55:40

Yeah , and that I think is important

55:42

, it is important .

55:45

So the exploded view for any

55:48

given step only has five

55:50

, eight , ten parts in it max . Maybe

55:53

before you move on to the next one , which I think that's

55:55

important , like you just said , yeah

55:57

, what about you ? What ? What uh

55:59

in the aircraft realm or whatever genre

56:01

you like to build , is , uh , is good

56:04

or good enough ?

56:05

anything in the last . Again , I'm like you . Anything

56:07

in the last 10 years is generally

56:09

, unless it's a real short-run manufacturer

56:12

, going to be good enough . I

56:16

think manufacturers generally are

56:18

paying a little more attention to

56:21

kit instructions

56:24

and so I think that's contributed

56:27

to an overall improvement . Airfix

56:30

instructions anything

56:32

in the last 10 years that I've built Airfix-wise

56:35

the instructions have

56:37

been very clear

56:39

To me , of course is

56:42

one of the gold standards . Arma

56:48

like I said with the P-51B

56:51

there were the

56:53

fact that there were variants , but the instructions

56:56

themselves were very

56:58

clear about what part goes

57:00

where and even

57:02

having the sequence down correct

57:05

so that you didn't build

57:08

yourself into a corner . Airfix

57:11

arma to me , uh , even

57:13

the the latest icm

57:15

and ibg kits are

57:18

now icm , I'd say , is a

57:20

half step behind the others , but

57:23

that's , it's just catching

57:25

up . They're . They're not bad , uh

57:27

, although your truck

57:29

experience , you know it

57:31

demonstrates . That's an old kit . That's

57:34

one of their older kits . Ibg

57:36

has really come on and their

57:39

instructions are very , very clear

57:41

. So you know , in general

57:43

I think if you buy main

57:47

run production kits from

57:49

major manufacturers made

57:51

in the last 10 or 15 years

57:53

, unless there's

57:56

just a goof by the manufacturer

57:59

in the instructions , generally

58:02

they're going to be pretty good

58:04

or good enough .

58:06

I agree with that . But I tell you , dave

58:08

, there's something else out there for

58:10

a small niche of the scale modeling

58:12

world , okay , in particular

58:15

large scalescale aircraft , 30-second

58:17

scale , all right , and I would call this

58:19

Instructions Plus . Now

58:22

what I'm talking about is some

58:25

instructions , some build guides actually , and

58:29

I've got a couple of these . They're from

58:31

a gentleman named Glenn Hoover . These

58:34

are third party to these

58:36

are third party instruction guides , and

58:39

the two I have I have they're

58:41

both for 32nd scale aircraft , because you

58:44

know I'm way outside my comfort zone there

58:46

. Right , I mean , small aircraft

58:48

are one thing , big aircraft , are something else . I've

58:51

got one for Kitty Hawks OS-2U

58:54

Kingfisher .

58:55

Right .

58:56

And I've got one for the Revell Arado 196A3

59:00

, their float plane , right Right Now

59:03

. Glenn Hoover is a retired system

59:05

engineer with a long career in

59:07

the defense and aerospace

59:09

industry and he's got a lot of experience

59:11

writing these things and I and I came across

59:14

him , I think , uh , surfing

59:16

around the large scale aircraft , uh

59:19

website Large scale , large

59:21

scale planes large scale planes . Yeah

59:23

, I think there's maybe a forum there as well . Yeah

59:25

, and these are really interesting , dave

59:28

. What ? What Glenn does is

59:30

he takes the kit , instructions

59:33

and the

59:35

most apropos aftermarket , typically

59:38

the Edward sets . Now for these

59:40

. There's a big Ed set

59:42

for the Kingfisher , which I know

59:44

your favorite Edward sets . Yeah , for

59:49

30 second scale . They may make a little more sense

59:51

.

59:52

Yes , I will concede that .

59:54

And then he's got multiple

59:57

sets for the Revell Orado 196

59:59

. And he takes the assembly

1:00:01

sequence and basically

1:00:03

dispenses mostly well , not mostly

1:00:06

he dispenses with the manufacturer's suggested

1:00:09

sequence and he reorders things

1:00:12

where it makes sense to right through through the experience

1:00:14

we've talked about Right . So you

1:00:16

know , maybe 80% of this is still

1:00:19

the same sequence . But where things

1:00:21

are being assembled onto the

1:00:23

fuselage or wings that are likely to

1:00:25

get broken through further handling , uh

1:00:28

, he moves those . So it's a

1:00:30

whole . It's a whole new systems

1:00:32

engineer approach to how

1:00:35

to assemble this kit . Now what's interesting

1:00:37

is where the Edward aftermarket

1:00:39

comes into play . He

1:00:41

brings those instructions in at the appropriate

1:00:44

times of the build sequence for the plastic

1:00:46

parts and gives

1:00:49

you a plan to incorporate

1:00:51

those items at the right time .

1:00:53

Yeah , which Edward does not do

1:00:55

at all . Edward is . Here are the photo

1:00:57

etch parts . Here's where they go , with

1:01:02

no indication about where

1:01:04

in the build sequence . You should actually

1:01:07

be doing this stuff .

1:01:08

So , for example , this

1:01:11

Kingfisher one that I've got gosh

1:01:13

how many steps he's broken the assembly

1:01:16

down . You know he's parsing this pretty

1:01:18

fine . It's pretty granular , right , right

1:01:20

952

1:01:22

line item steps . So

1:01:25

he's cutting it pretty thin Right

1:01:27

. And the Arado 196

1:01:30

is similarly done . I really

1:01:32

like these things , and if folks are into

1:01:35

large scale planes and want to check these out

1:01:37

, it's uh , glenhoovermodelscom

1:01:40

One word , glenhoovermodels and

1:01:43

uh , he's got these books for quite

1:01:46

a few subjects . There may be some 48 scale ones

1:01:49

in there too , I can't remember . But uh

1:01:51

, I picked these up because because you know , these are two if

1:01:53

I ever build any 32nd scale aircraft

1:01:55

and I hope I do , cause I've already accumulated

1:01:58

the kits right

1:02:05

, right , um , these are the two yeah . I love both of these airplanes , dave

1:02:07

, I need all the help I can get . I hear you it's

1:02:10

an interesting approach . I would like to see

1:02:12

you know maybe some other genre

1:02:14

. Try something like this .

1:02:16

Yeah .

1:02:17

I don't know what it would be , maybe some

1:02:20

complex armor build . That'd be kind of cool .

1:02:22

Yeah .

1:02:23

Especially if it was an older kit and had a lot

1:02:25

of aftermarket . I think that would lend itself to it , right

1:02:28

? I don't know ? Glenn's got something interesting

1:02:30

going on here and I bought

1:02:32

two of his books . I intend to follow

1:02:35

them , should I get get around to these kits . But

1:02:37

it's just another way to do this

1:02:39

. And , uh , the system engineer and I've

1:02:42

seen a lot of stuff written this way in

1:02:44

my in my career . It's very

1:02:46

yeah , this is Very

1:02:49

typical in the engineering world .

1:02:51

Yeah , somebody who's been in

1:02:53

that world a long long time .

1:02:55

Yes , Somebody writing instructions

1:02:57

for someone who may not have all

1:02:59

the information . The investment of the information

1:03:01

, I guess , would be a way to say it . Yeah

1:03:03

, they can get right to

1:03:06

the heart of the matter using this guide

1:03:08

, so it's a good thing . Got

1:03:11

anything else on instructions , dave ?

1:03:13

No , so it's a good thing . Got anything else on instructions , dave , no other

1:03:15

than and I'm going to touch on this more

1:03:18

in our benchtop

1:03:20

halftime report . I don't

1:03:22

think I know a modeler who

1:03:25

finishes a kit

1:03:27

and doesn't go think to themselves . Go think

1:03:29

to themselves okay , if

1:03:31

I did this again , I would change

1:03:34

this , I would

1:03:36

do this , this and this differently

1:03:38

, and some of that is

1:03:40

either build sequence or

1:03:43

stuff like that and

1:04:18

that type of stuff . You know , you try and look at instructions

1:04:20

ahead of time and anticipate , but

1:04:23

you should wait and do it here

1:04:25

. There's no

1:04:28

way to get that , but from experience

1:04:31

in some cases .

1:04:33

Well , I agree with that . That .

1:04:34

It makes you wonder if you ever want to build the same kit

1:04:36

twice um

1:04:38

, you know what these people like barry

1:04:40

numeric , who builds 109s

1:04:43

like he's a bavarian

1:04:46

flugelwerks or

1:04:48

inch where he's doing a batch

1:04:50

build . You know that is an advantage

1:04:53

of doing that , is that you gain

1:04:55

that experience .

1:04:56

We'll have to ask him that . Yes

1:04:58

, because that's a good point . If you're

1:05:00

batch building , do you do it all the same way

1:05:03

or do you learn from the first two and incorporate

1:05:05

the change in your change and sequence

1:05:07

? In the next four or five or six , you

1:05:09

got in the batch .

1:05:11

Make a note . We'll ask him that .

1:05:14

Well , Dave , we ran into another past

1:05:16

guest at Heritage Con . Yes

1:05:19

, we did Mr John Chung .

1:05:21

Yeah .

1:05:25

And as you'll hear in this sequence

1:05:27

, I didn't recognize him at first because he changed his hair

1:05:29

up a little bit .

1:05:30

Yes , he did , so that was fun and he sounded a lot better

1:05:32

too . Thank you , dave . So that was fun and he sounded a lot better

1:05:34

too .

1:05:34

Thank you , dave .

1:05:36

That wasn't your fault .

1:05:38

Even well , probably was .

1:05:40

No , that was not your fault .

1:05:43

Had I had the knowledge to not make it ?

1:05:44

Yeah , we learned again . Like building

1:05:47

through with instructions . We learned

1:05:49

something .

1:05:50

He didn't need to be the test plane , though . No

1:05:52

that's true . Well , Dave , let's

1:05:55

hear what John had to say at HeritageCon . Well

1:06:02

, Dave , like last segment , part of the fun coming

1:06:04

up here is talking to our Canadian friends

1:06:07

and past guests

1:06:09

. We owe a little something to

1:06:11

you , Mr John Chung

1:06:13

. How are you doing , sir ?

1:06:15

I'm doing well , you guys don't owe me anything . Thank you

1:06:17

so much .

1:06:18

I know we had a little technical difficulty when you were

1:06:20

on our episode and I think we know the cause

1:06:22

of that now .

1:06:23

It's all good . It's really good to see you guys up here . Thanks

1:06:25

for making the trip up to Canada again

1:06:27

.

1:06:28

I didn't recognize you with the haircut

1:06:30

yeah .

1:06:31

It's what happened after COVID . Right , Things change . Gotta

1:06:34

shed the COVID hair .

1:06:35

Well , how's it been , since we last talked

1:06:37

to you , Been doing ?

1:06:39

well , yeah , it's . You know , like life's busy

1:06:41

, work's busy . I've been

1:06:43

shifting gear from the space shuttle , working on

1:06:45

the 48 scale F-16 .

1:06:47

Oh wow , the kinetic kit .

1:06:49

No , the Tamiya kit . , yeah

1:06:52

, it's a nice little kit . Anybody

1:06:54

who's built it knows that it's

1:06:56

typical Tamiya fashion , except I'm backdating

1:06:58

from a Charlie to an Alpha , so a bit

1:07:00

of a scratch building going on over there , oh

1:07:02

man .

1:07:06

You're a scale scriber . I can only imagine

1:07:08

you're cutting lines on that thing

1:07:10

too .

1:07:10

Yeah for sure . Yeah's a little

1:07:13

bit of a scribing job on the

1:07:15

spine . You

1:07:19

have to shrink the vertical stabilizer base a little bit and then got to reposition

1:07:22

the surface panel lines on the spine

1:07:24

, but yeah , it wasn't too bad

1:07:26

. Well , what state is the shuttle

1:07:28

? In the shuttle is

1:07:30

a little bit more than where

1:07:33

I left it off a

1:07:35

year or so ago . So , the aft end

1:07:37

is just about done , where the heat

1:07:39

shields are for the engine bells , and

1:07:42

I am just about ready to

1:07:44

go into the main wings . That

1:07:47

does require a little bit of a surgery

1:07:50

to get the shape correct the camber

1:07:53

and the you know the , the elevons

1:07:56

etc yeah , yeah , that needs to be

1:07:58

trimmed down a little bit , but um , hopefully

1:08:01

after that I can get into scribing it's

1:08:04

impressive work , man .

1:08:05

It always is . We're really enjoying the shuttle

1:08:07

and I've seen some of the f-16 yeah

1:08:10

, thank you appreciate it

1:08:12

.

1:08:12

The shuttle I can't wait to get back to

1:08:14

it . But you know what , though ? Every time I take a

1:08:16

pause on the shuttle to do something

1:08:18

else , I'm actually

1:08:21

a little thankful for it . Since I

1:08:23

paused on the shuttle , I've

1:08:25

got a new computer , which means that I can

1:08:27

turn up the resolution

1:08:29

on the Smithsonian 3D model , which will

1:08:32

be helpful when I get into the tight spot for

1:08:35

gathering references , and also

1:08:37

I've been downloading a lot

1:08:39

of new photos , historical photos

1:08:42

of , say , the

1:08:44

cargo bay interior . That will come in handy when

1:08:46

I go in and detail the cargo bay itself

1:08:48

.

1:08:49

So you're faced with a lot

1:08:51

of work on that . I mean still the

1:08:54

road's long right .

1:08:55

Yeah , yeah , for sure .

1:08:57

So glad to hear you're still enjoying it and

1:09:00

I don't know how does taking a break from

1:09:02

it , how does that help you out ?

1:09:03

Just helps you . It's been good

1:09:05

. I think I've always been

1:09:08

an aircraft builder at heart and

1:09:10

I always will be so to step away

1:09:12

from a

1:09:14

subject that is not because

1:09:18

in a traditional sense it's not really an

1:09:21

aircraft in its purest form

1:09:23

. So be able to finish an aircraft once

1:09:25

in a while , that really helps motivate

1:09:27

me . It gets me back into

1:09:30

the big picture of why I like

1:09:32

model building and specifically aircraft building

1:09:34

. It helps me to into the big picture of why I like model building and specifically aircraft building . It helps me

1:09:36

to practice some of the skills I wouldn't be

1:09:38

able to do on the space shuttle . For instance

1:09:40

, I wouldn't be able to do

1:09:43

a detailed cockpit or on the carriage bay , I

1:09:46

wouldn't be doing external

1:09:49

stores , for instance , I wouldn't be able

1:09:51

to exercise the same type of weathering , for instance . I wouldn't be able to exercise

1:09:53

the same type of weathering , for instance , that

1:09:55

I would be on a military aircraft versus

1:09:58

a spacecraft . So you know

1:10:00

, it's good to switch gears , cleanse

1:10:03

my palate a little bit . So

1:10:05

yeah , I'm enjoying it . Hopefully it's coming to me

1:10:07

again soon , though it's been on my bench for over

1:10:10

10 months . I think , Okay , what's next ? What's

1:10:12

next ? What's next ? Hopefully

1:10:15

back to this space shuttle .

1:10:15

Okay , I didn't know if you have another

1:10:18

aircraft in mind .

1:10:19

Now did you buy ?

1:10:19

anything here at the show ? No

1:10:22

, no , no , not today , unfortunately . Oh

1:10:24

, okay , I'm trying to restrain myself . I

1:10:27

hear you . I did see another space

1:10:29

shuttle here for $75 Canadian

1:10:31

. Yeah , that is tempting me , but

1:10:34

I think I will endeavor

1:10:36

to finish my current one first before jumping

1:10:38

to another vehicle .

1:10:40

I hear you Now . Did you enter anything

1:10:42

today ?

1:10:43

No , no , I was hoping to finish the F-16

1:10:46

, but I'm not going to rush it . I think I'm going

1:10:48

to enjoy this process of

1:10:51

building it to the way that I really

1:10:53

wanted to be .

1:10:54

That's the best , don't rush it . Get

1:10:56

it done when it gets done , then you can enter

1:10:58

it the next contest that comes up

1:11:01

.

1:11:01

Yeah , that's a slow and steady wins the race right

1:11:03

.

1:11:04

I tell that to Mike all the time .

1:11:06

Because I'm slow , maybe

1:11:09

more slow than steady . Yeah , there you go . Yeah

1:11:12

, hopefully that works out that way , but yeah , it's works out that way .

1:11:13

But yeah , it's been a good show . It's always a good

1:11:15

show here at Hamilton and a lot

1:11:18

of good entries . I think we're North of 700

1:11:20

entries . That's when I hear a

1:11:22

lot , a lot of good uh good people coming

1:11:25

up here from down South as well , and a lot

1:11:27

of old faces , and it's always

1:11:29

a good time .

1:11:30

Any , any hopes or ability

1:11:33

to come to Madison , wisconsin , in the

1:11:35

summer .

1:11:36

Probably not this year . Yeah , you know family's

1:11:38

going to keep me at home here in Toronto for the next little bit .

1:11:40

Yeah , we talked a little offline about that . Bring

1:11:42

the baby .

1:11:43

Family's getting a little bigger . Yeah , family's

1:11:45

. I'm apparently moving on to another one-to-one

1:11:47

scale model of myself .

1:11:48

There you go , so I'm going to try

1:11:51

to yeah , but you're not finishing it .

1:11:54

That one's going to be a little bit of a work in progress

1:11:56

.

1:11:56

Yes , it is .

1:11:58

Hey , you never know right , maybe in a year or two we'll have

1:12:00

an early adopter into the

1:12:02

hobby coming down to a national Best

1:12:04

of luck . Best of luck with that . Thank you so much

1:12:07

. Thanks for having me on again . Good to see you guys .

1:12:16

Well , we're're gonna have to come up with a topic and have you on for real , uh , in this year , before it's out um , maybe you don't , maybe you don't have much time

1:12:18

to model because of your family expansion . You can at least . You can at least get an hour and pick your brain and uh , oh , that'll be great

1:12:20

, it's always always some topic out there . I'm

1:12:23

sure we'll figure it out .

1:12:24

Thank you so much . Always a pleasure to talk to you guys . It's good

1:12:27

to see you again . Good to see you .

1:12:28

Thank you , take it easy .

1:12:30

Take care guys .

1:12:31

Bye-bye .

1:12:33

Well , I enjoyed seeing John again . Dave and

1:12:35

we're going to cook up a topic

1:12:37

and get him back on . He's

1:12:39

got some amazing talent . Yes , We'll

1:12:42

see if he gets that shuttle done .

1:12:44

Yes , yep , and he's working

1:12:46

on an F-16 now , so

1:12:48

we've got to get him back on and

1:12:51

we can also get tips about raising

1:12:54

babies and toddlers . See

1:12:57

, we can become a more well-rounded

1:13:00

podcast .

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. My friend , what's on your bench ?

1:13:38

Well , first let me tell you what's not on my

1:13:40

bench Not on my bench

1:13:42

any longer . I

1:13:45

finished the Trumpeter

1:13:47

72nd Scale LCM3

1:13:50

kit , my first completion

1:13:53

of the year . I

1:13:55

really enjoyed it . First , this

1:13:57

is a kit that I'm building

1:14:00

for the September's

1:14:02

group entry for the Nationals

1:14:05

up in Madison . This is probably

1:14:08

the first time in a long time I

1:14:10

have finished a group entry

1:14:12

ahead of time . It's

1:14:16

also one of the few times

1:14:18

where I've really enjoyed building

1:14:21

it and it didn't become

1:14:23

a slog that I resented

1:14:25

halfway through it . I've talked

1:14:27

about before I have two goals

1:14:29

when I build a model

1:14:32

. One , I want it to be better than the last

1:14:34

model I built , in my opinion

1:14:36

, and number two , I want to

1:14:38

try new things and learn new things

1:14:40

, and in this case I was 50%

1:14:43

successful . In my opinion

1:14:45

it's not better than the previous models

1:14:48

I've built . That's partly

1:14:50

due to my fault , partly

1:14:52

due to it being a new genre

1:14:55

for me generally , but I learned

1:14:57

a bunch To run through

1:15:00

a few . This is the first kit

1:15:02

that I have used

1:15:04

nothing but Mr Color for

1:15:07

exclusively in painting

1:15:09

, and I

1:15:11

love it and I'm going

1:15:13

to continue to use it more and more and

1:15:15

more . I used the

1:15:18

VMS photo

1:15:20

etch primer that I

1:15:22

got from VMS and

1:15:24

I learned that , even though it

1:15:27

says you brush

1:15:29

it on with a brush onto your photo

1:15:31

etetch parts , that's not what

1:15:33

you should do . If you're going to use this

1:15:35

stuff , you should airbrush it on because

1:15:38

it just does not self-level

1:15:41

. So and

1:15:43

I'm still not 100% sold

1:15:46

on the product yet I'm going to give

1:15:48

it a little more use to

1:15:50

see and we'll see down

1:15:52

the road what I think about the

1:15:55

necessity of it . But definitely

1:15:58

don't brush it on the part . First

1:16:00

kit , I've cut and

1:16:02

used stencils for

1:16:05

the markings and

1:16:07

they're not perfect , but

1:16:10

I'm

1:16:12

just crawling up the learning curve

1:16:15

on using the Cameo Cutter

1:16:17

. I like it . I'm going

1:16:19

to be using it more and more

1:16:21

in the future . I

1:16:23

think I'll be painting a lot more of

1:16:25

my markings . I don't think I'm giving

1:16:27

up decals entirely , but

1:16:30

I do think

1:16:32

that I will be doing more and more

1:16:34

of my markings as

1:16:37

stencils and masks

1:16:39

. Like I said , I had real

1:16:42

fun building it . That's ultimately

1:16:44

the mark

1:16:46

. It's a hobby and if you're not

1:16:48

having fun , you really need to step

1:16:50

back and say what am I doing

1:16:53

wrong here ? Why am I doing this

1:16:55

if you're not enjoying it ? And

1:16:57

I enjoyed it pretty

1:16:59

much from beginning to end . So

1:17:01

, it's off my bench . I

1:17:03

also managed to take

1:17:06

the Moosaroo from 2023

1:17:09

that I built and transported

1:17:11

up to Heritage Con and

1:17:13

had it break during

1:17:16

transportation and

1:17:18

so I didn't get put on the table

1:17:20

at Heritage Con in 2023

1:17:22

. I managed to , in

1:17:25

a day , repair it so

1:17:27

that I could take it and enter it at

1:17:29

Heritage Con , which I did . So

1:17:32

the Moosa Root actually got to

1:17:34

Heritage Con and got entered and

1:17:36

you know what I figured out ? That

1:17:38

thing sat in a little Tupperware

1:17:41

container for just

1:17:44

short of an entire year

1:17:46

, when it would have taken

1:17:48

me a day , less

1:17:51

than a day to repair . But I

1:17:53

think that I was so frustrated

1:17:55

by the fact that

1:17:57

I had worked to get it done and

1:17:59

that it had broke when I transported

1:18:02

it and I just got

1:18:04

so dang frustrated . There was a mental

1:18:06

block created and

1:18:08

I just finally

1:18:11

said , with the Heritage

1:18:13

Con coming up this year , I finally

1:18:15

said to heck with it , I'm pulling

1:18:17

it out , I'm putting this

1:18:19

thing together and I did

1:18:22

and I like it , and

1:18:24

it's sitting

1:18:26

in my display case . It

1:18:30

got entered at Heritage Con and you know there's

1:18:33

a mental block when a model that you

1:18:35

finish gets broken

1:18:37

, but it is more

1:18:40

mental than anything else you can go back

1:18:42

and repair it , and it's not nearly

1:18:45

the problem

1:18:47

that you make it out in your head .

1:18:49

Now back to the group build

1:18:51

the LCM . You had that kit already

1:18:53

, right ?

1:18:54

I did have that kit already , so it's

1:18:56

not it's not like you .

1:18:57

You sign up for a group build and you're like , yeah , I

1:19:00

gotta go find a kid I might want to build .

1:19:03

Well , I did do some consideration

1:19:05

of that , but I knew I already

1:19:07

had it . Right , but I knew I already

1:19:09

had this kit . So it was like Right

1:19:27

, but I knew I already had this kit . So it was like , yeah , I want to do this . So it was

1:19:30

something I wanted to do , You're right Rather than something that the group

1:19:32

build . Came and then I had to go out and buy the kit SAM , the fine

1:19:34

molds kit partly with your help

1:19:36

, because you took one look at the

1:19:38

impeller that I stole from

1:19:40

a Tamiya Focke-Wulf 190 kit

1:19:43

and said I can do better than that

1:19:45

in an hour and a half on

1:19:47

CAD . And you did .

1:19:51

Well , they're in the mail . Yes , I can't wait .

1:19:52

I should get them tomorrow or the mail . Yes , I can't wait . I should get

1:19:54

them tomorrow or the next day . So I can't wait

1:19:56

for those . I probably shouldn't

1:19:59

admit this , given the other things

1:20:01

that are still pending . But

1:20:04

I started that Flyhawk

1:20:06

BT-7 kit . I just

1:20:08

Tried to keep it a secret . Yeah

1:20:10

Well , I did for a little bit . Just

1:20:13

try to keep it a secret . Yeah well , I did for

1:20:15

a little bit . First

1:20:18

of all , you people who complain about 72nd scale aircraft , let me tell you some of the suspension

1:20:20

parts on this BT-7 are

1:20:23

tinier than anything I've

1:20:25

done on a 72nd scale aircraft

1:20:27

kit , so I don't want to hear any more

1:20:29

complaining . Number two

1:20:31

this kit is . Not only

1:20:34

are the instructions really great , but

1:20:36

boy , this kit is engineered

1:20:38

well . I mean , it goes

1:20:40

together , the tolerances

1:20:43

are tight , the parts fit

1:20:45

just I mean just incredibly

1:20:48

well . I'm about , I'd say

1:20:50

, a third of the way through the assembly

1:20:53

and I'm

1:20:56

super impressed by this kit . I

1:20:58

really am , and it's going to

1:21:00

give me a chance , once I get it all assembled

1:21:02

, to go back to Evan's

1:21:05

YouTube video of

1:21:07

his presentation at the

1:21:09

Nationals last year and

1:21:11

helped me relearn , or learn

1:21:13

, armor weathering . So

1:21:15

yeah , my bench is rocking . I feel great

1:21:18

about it . I just

1:21:20

wish I had more time , because of course

1:21:22

, spring's here and now there's

1:21:24

all the honeydew stuff and there's the

1:21:26

yard and there's do-it-yourself

1:21:29

and renovation projects . So

1:21:32

I just wish I had more time . How

1:21:34

?

1:21:34

about you . Well , I haven't gotten a lot

1:21:37

done since we got back from HeritageCon . I

1:21:39

wish I had . But I

1:21:41

do want to dish a little bit on the Moose Roo Cup . Yes

1:21:44

, Because I kind of was saving

1:21:46

that until the whole contest was over

1:21:49

and everybody got their builds done . Well

1:21:51

, first off , congratulations to Chris

1:21:53

Maddings for his win .

1:21:55

Yes .

1:21:56

He did a lot of work on that crappy little kit

1:21:58

. I did

1:22:00

too . He did a

1:22:02

very nice job he did and

1:22:05

interestingly I thought about

1:22:07

this , no hard feelings . Would I have liked to repeat

1:22:09

it and won again ? Yeah , sure , but we really

1:22:11

don't get anything for it except bragging

1:22:13

rights . And I got a pretty good

1:22:16

reaction on mine from the folks

1:22:18

who saw it . I really appreciated

1:22:20

that and that was a lot of fun . But we

1:22:22

both kind of approached

1:22:25

the build from opposite

1:22:27

sides of the same coin . You

1:22:30

have a kit that's not that great

1:22:32

. You're

1:22:37

so diplomatic now to expound on that a little bit . There's been a

1:22:39

lot said about it . Tj holler said a whole bunch about it . Yeah

1:22:41

, none of it wrong , none of it wrong

1:22:44

, that's exactly right . I'm not going to disagree

1:22:46

, uh , with any of that . Everything

1:22:48

that has been said about that kit from

1:22:51

the folks involved is accurate

1:22:53

and true . I think where some of us are

1:22:55

different is I

1:22:58

cut my teeth on some really crappy

1:23:00

Eastern European kits 20 years

1:23:02

ago . So when I was faced with that

1:23:04

, you're kind of like you're at the optometrist

1:23:07

, right , you can start throwing those lenses in front of your eyes

1:23:09

and change the way you see things

1:23:11

. I was well , I

1:23:13

was well aware of what I was getting into . Uh

1:23:16

, maybe some folks who were , uh , into

1:23:18

some more contemporary kits , saw

1:23:21

that as a total train wreck . They wouldn't be wrong

1:23:23

. There's a little perspective there as to how you

1:23:25

maybe digest that and

1:23:27

uh , work your way through it . But back to

1:23:29

what I was saying about two sides of the same coin

1:23:31

. You've got this kit . That's not that

1:23:34

good . So I guess the approach

1:23:36

I would say to simplify it is if

1:23:38

you can't fix it , feature it , all

1:23:41

right . So there's two ways to do that

1:23:43

. Well , maybe there's more than two , but the two

1:23:46

that Chris and I took are

1:23:48

different , but there are two . Two ways to do it . You

1:23:51

can take this kit that doesn't

1:23:53

fit that great and doesn't have that great of detail

1:23:55

and , uh , you can chop it up

1:23:57

and make a derelict out of

1:23:59

it , kind of uh , get around some

1:24:01

of the uh non niceties about

1:24:04

that kid Right . Right , that's one

1:24:06

way to do it and he did a great job of it .

1:24:08

Oh , absolutely .

1:24:10

And the way I took

1:24:12

was all right . Let's

1:24:14

not try to make this crappy kit look

1:24:16

good . Let's instead of

1:24:18

making it not look like a toy , let's make

1:24:20

it look like a toy , make it look more

1:24:23

like a toy , make it look more like a toy

1:24:25

. So that's the approach I took , and

1:24:28

there is a little bit to that

1:24:31

. So how do you make plastic

1:24:33

look like die cast metal ? Well

1:24:35

, you put about fricking 18

1:24:37

layers of paint on it , followed

1:24:39

by about 18 layers of gloss , and

1:24:42

uh , you start softening the corners on all

1:24:44

the details and and

1:24:46

uh , it starts looking like a clunky piece of die

1:24:48

cast metal .

1:24:50

And then you have to figure out how to put red stripes

1:24:52

on the tires .

1:24:53

Oh , we'll get to that in a minute . The

1:24:56

other thing I did was you got some plastic

1:24:59

parts , you know , like a Hot Wheels , Hot Wheels or Mashbox

1:25:01

toy . You've got some die cast parts and

1:25:04

you've got some molded in color plastic

1:25:06

parts , Right so ? And

1:25:08

none of the kit was molded in green

1:25:10

or whatever Right it , and none of the kit was molded in green or whatever right it was

1:25:12

light gray or black .

1:25:14

Right .

1:25:15

So how do I make parts ? I want to

1:25:17

look like plastic , look like molded

1:25:19

in color plastic . Well , again , that's

1:25:21

multiple layers of your color , not

1:25:26

as much as trying to make it look like die-cast metal and then like 15

1:25:29

layers of satin varnish .

1:25:31

Right .

1:25:32

To start making it . Have that translucent

1:25:34

soapy . Look to it , Mm-hmm . Worked

1:25:36

out pretty well .

1:25:38

Oh yeah , no , absolutely Everybody

1:25:42

who saw it A loved the idea

1:25:44

, the fact that you looked at

1:25:46

this kit and said this is a

1:25:49

mess , what can I do with

1:25:51

it . And the great thing is that

1:25:53

you , evan , and I , were driving down

1:25:56

to San Marcos and

1:25:58

you opened this kit up on

1:26:00

our drive down and , within 15

1:26:02

minutes of you having opened

1:26:05

it and us sitting there in the car , you

1:26:08

came up with this

1:26:10

presentation idea . Up

1:26:16

with this presentation idea and it just it . Really it worked , to the kid's weaknesses

1:26:19

as opposed to its strength .

1:26:19

Yeah , I think so , and I think Chris did that as well

1:26:21

.

1:26:22

Yes , yes , you're right

1:26:24

.

1:26:24

The other way to do it is take

1:26:26

the vehicle and dissect it Right

1:26:29

and yeah , take it apart like

1:26:31

a frog

1:26:33

and you know , to our topic of instructions

1:26:35

, another thing that I'll bring up

1:26:38

. That was , uh , I noticed

1:26:40

when folks were posting in , uh

1:26:42

, dave goldfinch's moose roo facebook

1:26:44

group , um , the front

1:26:47

wheels . Uh , the instructions

1:26:49

were really vague and there

1:26:51

was an issue with the front wheels , that

1:26:53

on the front axles there

1:26:55

are two steps . You got a small

1:26:57

diameter , then it steps up to a medium diameter

1:27:00

, then it steps up to

1:27:02

what's essentially the I think it's the brake

1:27:04

hub . A lot of folks

1:27:06

who built this stopped at that first

1:27:08

step on the front axles . So

1:27:10

they have these front wheels which are sticking

1:27:12

out past the front fenders Right

1:27:15

and they're at a wider stance than

1:27:17

the rear wheels . That's not where they

1:27:19

go .

1:27:20

And it's just not the instructions made

1:27:22

no note of that .

1:27:24

The instructions really made no note of it . You really

1:27:26

had to size those holes up a little bit bigger and

1:27:28

get the wheels to sit up against the

1:27:30

brake drums , which is where they should be , and

1:27:33

all six wheels should be along the same

1:27:35

track , right , and that

1:27:38

was easy to miss . I mentioned it before

1:27:40

. There

1:27:44

was a point in the instructions , especially with the cab construction . If you didn't think about

1:27:46

what you're doing and work it out in your head

1:27:48

, if

1:27:51

you put the cab steps on before

1:27:53

you put the interior in , you would

1:27:55

have to go back and modify the kit interior

1:27:57

to get it to fit past those , because there

1:28:00

was no room to get it on there . Now

1:28:02

in my build I wanted to have this interior

1:28:05

module that was the dashboard , the steering

1:28:07

wheel and the seats , like

1:28:09

a Hot Wheels car . That was all one part

1:28:12

molded in one color . So I had to figure out how to glue

1:28:14

those things all together , slip

1:28:16

it in at the end , which I was going to put

1:28:18

that in in a different order . That I think

1:28:20

maybe the kit instructions intended . So I

1:28:23

modified it so it fit past the

1:28:25

cab steps . But again , if you

1:28:28

weren't paying attention and that was not your intent

1:28:30

to do what I did , you could build

1:28:32

yourself into a corner and I think there was an issue

1:28:34

there . The thing has fender liners on the

1:28:36

front fenders . I

1:28:39

think if you put those in too soon

1:28:41

as well , that's going to be

1:28:43

problematic for you . Yeah

1:28:45

, but the other issue with that kit is the

1:28:47

the black plastic parts have one

1:28:49

. It's probably like a high percentage

1:28:51

of regrind or recycled material . That's

1:28:55

part of the problem . The other problem is it

1:28:57

has way more color in it , pigment

1:29:00

in the plastic . You're sanding

1:29:03

these black plastic parts and you sand

1:29:05

for like 10 , 15 minutes and your hands

1:29:07

are just covered with this stuff . It's

1:29:09

like you've been scooping coal with your hands

1:29:11

. Just a really

1:29:13

unpleasant material to work with . It

1:29:15

reacted strange to liquid cement . I

1:29:18

get it . Everything everyone said about the

1:29:20

kit is absolutely true . I

1:29:22

think I gave it a little more grace because

1:29:24

of some past experiences with the early

1:29:26

Eastern European kits . But

1:29:28

yeah , that could be an unpleasant build if you weren't

1:29:31

prepared for it . So congratulations

1:29:34

to everybody on that who got it done .

1:29:36

Yes , In fact , I think the

1:29:38

only one

1:29:40

that didn't finish was Julian

1:29:43

, and I certainly understand

1:29:45

his frustrations with the kit .

1:29:47

But he wasn't really undone by the kit . He was undone

1:29:49

by some material incompatibilities

1:29:52

and some right and some stuff

1:29:54

that they're at the very end , which that really sucks

1:29:56

. Yes , cause he had a kind of cool idea

1:29:58

too , I liked it , I did , I liked , I

1:30:01

liked his idea . Well , buddy

1:30:03

, you're on deck next . I know I

1:30:05

know what are we going to get . I

1:30:07

don't know , but I I think what else is on

1:30:09

my bench ? I got the under

1:30:11

. The pawl . I've got the underside touched

1:30:14

up from my sanding from last episode . I'm

1:30:17

ready to paint the topside green . I'm just thinking through

1:30:19

this and I'm just scared to pull the trigger

1:30:22

right now . I got to think through

1:30:24

this .

1:30:25

Experiment Remember , remember

1:30:27

what Steve says , experiment

1:30:30

.

1:30:30

I know I probably need to do a little experimentation

1:30:32

. So up next is the topside

1:30:34

green . And again , why did I pick a float

1:30:37

plane for my first aircraft in 40 years

1:30:39

? I don't know .

1:30:40

That's okay , this is going

1:30:42

to turn out great . And listen , you

1:30:44

don't see many of these built . When

1:30:55

you have it done and you put it on the table , is that people will notice it ? Simply because

1:30:57

you hardly ever see those things

1:30:59

built .

1:31:00

That's interesting . So that's a little motivation

1:31:02

. We'll get it done .

1:31:03

Yeah , you'll get there .

1:31:05

The KV 85 , nothing , nothing

1:31:07

new on that . I need to do the ballast work on the tracks

1:31:09

. I've got the ballast in hand . I've got

1:31:12

the color shift I want to do

1:31:14

on it figured out , I just need

1:31:16

to do it . But I want to get this airplane done

1:31:18

. I hear you . I want to get the

1:31:20

thing finished .

1:31:26

Hey Mike , have you spent

1:31:28

any money modeling

1:31:31

kits or supplies lately ? Any money

1:31:33

modeling kits or supplies lately .

1:31:35

You know the answer to that . Yes

1:31:38

, I was there for it . We went to a major contest and show

1:31:40

.

1:31:41

Well , okay , let's start at

1:31:43

the beginning and feature the unicorn

1:31:46

that you found . Because you

1:31:48

found a unicorn , you found something

1:31:50

that is nearly impossible to

1:31:52

find , and you found

1:31:54

it at a price that was astounding

1:31:58

, and if I didn't already have one , I

1:32:00

would have murdered you in the car on the

1:32:02

way back to Louisville , because

1:32:04

you did great .

1:32:05

I did . I found a Fine

1:32:08

Molds KI-43

1:32:11

Oscar .

1:32:12

Right , the one that goes in the Model graphics

1:32:14

magazine and has not

1:32:16

been sold separately

1:32:19

and apparently will not

1:32:21

be sold separately .

1:32:23

Well , I don't know about that . I'll take

1:32:25

your word for it . But I know

1:32:27

, with a , a safe

1:32:29

search on eBay going on a year now , probably

1:32:31

10 months at this point , I've never

1:32:34

there's never been one come up for sale .

1:32:36

Yeah , and that does not shock

1:32:38

me .

1:32:39

Now we were at the show , we set

1:32:41

up our podcast equipment . It was like let's go

1:32:44

shopping , Dave . And

1:32:47

those are dangerous words we

1:32:50

weren't , but in the first

1:32:52

really we were at the first aisle .

1:32:54

Really , we were the first aisle .

1:32:54

It's the first aisle , the first table that I I

1:32:57

walked up to . It's harvey low

1:32:59

of all people , yep , and I

1:33:01

look down this box and I see this . I'll call

1:33:03

it brown paper box .

1:33:04

It's a little fancier than that , but not much right

1:33:06

it's a brown cardboard

1:33:08

box , rubber banded together

1:33:11

with a magazine , japanese magazine

1:33:13

.

1:33:14

So I'm looking at the top of it and I'm thinking

1:33:16

, please don't be one third

1:33:18

of the of the . What is it Type 95

1:33:21

tank ? Right , that they also did

1:33:23

with the armor version of the magazine . Right

1:33:26

, that one , that kit is available . I've got one already

1:33:28

in the three part magazine edition

1:33:30

anyway . Right , I'm like , don't

1:33:32

be a third of the tank , don't be a third of the tanks

1:33:34

. I reach in there and pull it out and it's the stinking Ki-43

1:33:38

. Yeah , yeah , I'm thinking I'm

1:33:40

glad Harvey builds 48 scale . Yes

1:33:42

, for the most part , I

1:33:46

don't know , man , I'm going to have to take him some more money .

1:33:48

Yeah , no , that was a great deal . I

1:33:50

am glad you picked that

1:33:52

up . And again , if I didn't have

1:33:55

one I'd have killed you for it , because

1:33:57

I have one . I'm nothing

1:33:59

but thrilled that

1:34:01

was the unicorn . Frankly

1:34:04

, it would have been worth the whole

1:34:06

trip just to find

1:34:09

and buy that kit . I

1:34:12

didn't stop there , man . I know I was going

1:34:14

to say , but I'm assuming that's not the only thing

1:34:16

you bought . I'm trying to think what else I bought .

1:34:18

I bought a Bronco

1:34:20

. I can't remember the designation , it's

1:34:22

the little Italian tankette .

1:34:26

Oh , CV-33 .

1:34:27

Yeah , I think that's right , Except you bought the Hungarian

1:34:30

CV-35 , right . Right

1:34:32

, it's got a different arrangement on the machine

1:34:34

gun setup . It's a . Hungarian vehicle

1:34:36

. That was the one I was wanting

1:34:38

. I found it finally . That one's been kind of

1:34:41

hard for me to find for some reason and

1:34:43

I bought a A-10 cruiser

1:34:45

tank from Gecko Models . We

1:34:49

were talking that was Chris Meddings too . We were talking about Gecko and Bronco

1:34:51

and somebody else I

1:34:54

can't remember . But uh , he was giving us the ins and outs on those kits

1:34:56

and what had happened and recommended

1:34:58

it as the better kit . End up .

1:35:00

Picking that up , that's boy , that kid's got a lot

1:35:02

of sprues yeah , and , and not

1:35:04

only that , you picked it up in

1:35:06

the boxing that has the

1:35:09

german markings on the cover

1:35:11

, but it's the . You really

1:35:13

wanted the British , but it's the

1:35:15

exact same kit and even has

1:35:17

all those British

1:35:20

markings . They

1:35:22

just feature

1:35:24

. They released it twice , once

1:35:27

with the British markings and once with

1:35:29

the German markings on the box

1:35:31

art , and I suspect that's

1:35:33

because the German markings

1:35:36

sell better .

1:35:37

I wouldn't know on a tank like that if it would or not

1:35:39

, but the decals there's three

1:35:42

British versions and one German on the sheet , so

1:35:45

it's still primarily British

1:35:47

and it has a British crew figure in it . Yes

1:35:49

, it does . So it's the exact same kit

1:35:52

. Yeah , I'm thinking . Is that

1:35:54

all I bought ? I think so . Well

1:35:56

that's not bad . No , it's not

1:35:59

Not bad at all . What about you ?

1:36:01

Well , let's see . Even though I didn't

1:36:03

buy a Fineinmolz Ki-43

1:36:06

, I did buy a Fujimi

1:36:08

Judy , the

1:36:18

version with the upward-firing cannons , where they took this dive bomber

1:36:21

aircraft and converted it into an attempt

1:36:23

to convert it into a fighter using

1:36:25

the German style two

1:36:29

cannons pointing upward where you come

1:36:31

in , underneath the bombers . I

1:36:34

picked up a

1:36:37

3D printed stand

1:36:39

for flexifile . So

1:36:42

I've got multiple flexifiles

1:36:44

and I keep a different grit

1:36:49

on each one , so that way I

1:36:51

can just change back and forth

1:36:53

without having to stop and change the

1:36:55

tape . I picked

1:36:58

up for like $6 Canadian

1:37:00

this really nice

1:37:02

, really well thought out

1:37:04

and well printed 3D

1:37:07

stand that holds up to five of

1:37:09

them . In addition , I got a

1:37:12

picked up another

1:37:14

Tamiya Zero

1:37:16

. You

1:37:18

have a problem ? I've got a problem

1:37:20

. Okay , I admit it . I picked up

1:37:22

four Chinese

1:37:25

submarines in 700

1:37:27

scale . I really like 700

1:37:29

scale submarines . I've got a collection

1:37:31

of probably six

1:37:34

or eight already built Russian

1:37:37

, japanese , us

1:37:40

submarines . I just

1:37:42

they're perfect little models

1:37:44

for conversation pieces

1:37:46

and that scale they're small

1:37:48

enough that they're really quick

1:37:51

, easy and doable . And I had

1:37:53

never seen these before and I came across

1:37:55

them at the barrel store

1:37:58

table and ended up buying

1:38:00

those . And then the

1:38:02

folks at Alpha Abrasives , the guys

1:38:04

who do the Flexifile stuff . They're

1:38:06

out of Canada so they're always

1:38:09

at that show and one of the

1:38:11

things that they had that

1:38:13

I stocked up on again

1:38:15

at good Canadian prices . They

1:38:18

had all of the Albion

1:38:21

alloy tubing , so

1:38:23

they had the different very

1:38:26

, very small diameter tubes

1:38:28

and then they had the sets , where

1:38:30

they give you two sets of tubes

1:38:32

that that fit into

1:38:35

each other telescoping tubing

1:38:37

. So I picked up like

1:38:40

six or eight sets of that

1:38:42

, I think I

1:38:44

know I think that's everything I picked up

1:38:46

.

1:38:46

Well , I mentioned everything . I got a hair just gone , but I've

1:38:49

I've spent other money well

1:38:51

, I've spent a little bit more .

1:38:52

I did I last last episode

1:38:55

I mentioned that , uh , bronco

1:38:57

had that chinese launch vehicle

1:38:59

and that I had ordered it . It

1:39:01

came in , so

1:39:04

, uh , so that that

1:39:06

I can count that as breaking my

1:39:08

wallet this time , even though I ordered

1:39:10

it last time , but I didn't have

1:39:12

it in hand until this

1:39:14

episode . Yeah , you spent some

1:39:17

money on some

1:39:19

books , didn't you ?

1:39:20

Yeah , david Doyle , they

1:39:22

did a second printing of Son of Sherman . Yes

1:39:25

, and I missed it the first time . Back

1:39:27

to Karnalka's question . I've missed a