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Hello,
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and welcome to the Poll on the Tyne. You'll go
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to New Castle United podcast from
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the athletic. Coming up on
2:10
this week show.
2:19
blows off new castle to spud the
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bees with bruno pulling the strings.
2:29
start attack, Kevin Lawson, on our domination
2:31
of the numbers game.
2:35
and another
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big day in store for the women's team as
2:39
they return us in James Park.
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Yes. Hello. This is Pompner Tyne. I
2:53
am Taylor Pinning, and it's just me and
2:55
me, Chris off, just the two of us.
2:57
You and yet again. You
3:00
are right? Well, I'm I I am alright other
3:02
than I mean, you say it's just two of us. And yet,
3:04
and we're now gonna get on this in a bit. And yet,
3:06
we think that we've got rid of George for the weekend. And
3:08
yet, his name still appears in
3:10
light he's just everywhere, isn't he?
3:12
Not man. But no, I am I am
3:14
good. Thank you. Still trying
3:17
to digest A51 Nicarcinade victory.
3:19
Still still fresh in a positive
3:21
mood. How are you? How are you doing, Taylor? I'm
3:23
alright. I'm a busy boy at the minute. I hurt me
3:25
back. The other day as well, which is one of those
3:28
getting all things, Chris, back
3:30
pain. Do you suffer from back pain, Chris?
3:32
Not just yet, no, but I am rightly
3:34
young. Well, it's common myth. Don't worry about that.
3:37
I'm a fully paired up member of the something
3:39
new hurts every morning club, and this
3:41
week gets the back. And and what what what
3:44
made you heard it? Was it just celebrate in
3:46
Bruno Gomarayas. I think I just stood up
3:48
too quick without giving myself an open notice the other
3:50
day. I think I'm sorry. I have to build up
3:52
do it. No. We'll go that age where I can't right.
3:54
Okay. I'm gonna get up in a minute Let's
3:56
just get ourselves settled. Right? Okay. Make
3:58
sure everything's working. Both feet on the floor.
3:59
There we go. Yeah. And Just
4:02
went for it too quickly and a little a little
4:04
twinge. Oh, dear. But, yeah, we'll get there.
4:06
We'll be alright. We'll be alright. Anyway,
4:08
let's crack on. Let's talk about our Bradford game
4:10
and absolutely brilliant display again in
4:12
this time against eleven men. And
4:15
let's start with that flag display
4:18
at the top, you know, celebrating a
4:20
year after the takeover. And guess
4:22
you've got his name all over it. That's
4:24
just I'm still angry. It's
4:26
absolutely furious. I was sitting there in
4:28
the stand room I lit a lot, and we were both
4:30
watching it. And I said, you gotta watch it properly that
4:32
did. special. It's gonna be a special one.
4:34
And he was like, oh, watching it. And I've just seen
4:36
the yellow banana and film at the bottom and it said,
4:38
culk and then I went, ah, no. he's
4:42
gonna be an insuffensible prick for the
4:44
rest of this week now, isn't he? Bless
4:46
him. But, yeah, it was it was incredible. Wasn't
4:48
it? It was like a big Sky Sports news
4:50
kind of thing with the tick I've gone along the bottom.
4:53
Yeah. And a massive surfer that
4:55
covered the entire Gallaudet end and a great
4:57
way to start off the day, wasn't it? Yeah. I
4:59
was very fortunate to I would I sort of had
5:01
an idea of what of what was coming. I'd
5:03
put in some people in around around the group
5:05
and then had this big idea of what they wanted
5:08
to try. and achieving. I thought it looked
5:10
absolutely wonderful. And, yeah, there
5:12
were a few digs at sort of other media
5:14
organizations for to do with the takeover
5:16
and then there were. But to see to see
5:18
the pictures basically a celebration of
5:21
the the past year, looking
5:24
at a few key Mormons, one of which was was
5:26
Eddie Howe being unveiled as manager and obviously
5:28
the new owners coming in. It had had listed
5:30
all of the new signings during that
5:32
time and mentioned, obviously, the Makashi was the
5:34
big one. who'd gone, which was which was the
5:36
key behind it. But, yeah, it was it was it was
5:38
great, and it was quite the contrast from before the
5:40
born with GameWare had been no
5:42
music beforehand. no
5:45
displays for for the obvious reasons
5:47
of it of it being still during the morning period
5:49
after Queen Elizabeth second's death. But this
5:51
was this was just intense
5:53
atmosphere, positivity, energy
5:56
as how and a lot of the players referred
5:58
to it as that really did a sort
6:00
of infiltrate under the pitch and and into
6:02
the player as well. Oh, we can't go any further
6:04
without hearing from the man of the hour.
6:06
Hi all. It's George checking in from
6:08
Portland, Oregon. I'm on a holiday over
6:10
here. My mom, my stepdad, my two brothers,
6:12
AJ and Tom, have lived here since I
6:14
was seventeen, so I'm a regular visitor.
6:17
And it's not turned out to be the happiest
6:19
of holidays this one because Henry, my lovely
6:21
step dad, had a fall and broke his hip,
6:23
not long after I got here. So
6:25
a lot of the time it has been sort of going to visit him
6:27
and looking after my mom and so on and so forth.
6:30
But got a huge boost on
6:32
Saturday when I sat down with AJ and my brother
6:34
who's a massive new castle fan of the year and
6:36
my two little nephews, and we sat
6:38
down to watching Benford much while brilliant what
6:40
brilliant game that was. Anyway, and then
6:42
at the start, I see the amazing
6:44
wall flags display and there's my name
6:46
on the corner of the screen scrolling
6:48
across the the gallery gate and
6:50
my phone started buzzing. my nephews
6:53
were jumping up and down in front of the TV
6:55
saying what's going on. AJ, I
6:57
think understood it was a tough tweet from
6:59
the takeover. a year ago,
7:01
but my god, what
7:03
family point that that's won me, and
7:05
just a fantastic boost
7:07
during a difficult moment. So I
7:09
just want to say thank you to to to more
7:12
flags for including my my
7:14
Duffed tweet on that beautiful display
7:16
and yeah, to use this as an excuse
7:18
to say that I love my family very
7:20
much and just to wish
7:22
you all lots and lots of love. Wish I've been there to
7:24
see the game in person but I'll
7:26
be back soon and miss you all.
7:29
And the other highlight, Chris, was watching that
7:31
game with voodoo doughnut
7:33
which are in a Portland institution. There's
7:35
always huge lines twenty four hours a day
7:37
at this great doughnut shop and I was
7:39
eating maple syrup and
7:41
bacon donuts. Love
7:43
you all. See you soon. Bye.
7:45
Oh,
7:45
there we go. He's when he's not here, he's still here,
7:48
isn't it? He's less than proportional. No.
7:50
No. No. And send a huge love to
7:52
to him and his family. Absolutely. It has it
7:54
has been difficult for them. But if he thinks
7:56
that that sending an emotional message is
7:58
gonna prevent us, from taking the mick out of
8:00
him, then he's very much mistaken. Yeah.
8:02
The execution the idea for the flag was
8:04
wonderful. Wasn't it? The execution left
8:06
ever saw slightly a little bit to be desired.
8:09
It got slightly twisted. Part of
8:11
it didn't go across the bottom of the
8:13
the standard where they wanted it to, and
8:15
it happened to be George's bit. That
8:19
didn't quite make it. But if anything, it
8:21
was sort of representative of him, you
8:23
know, like almost individualistic
8:26
determined that almost to keep his
8:28
name and lights for even longer. Yeah. It wasn't
8:30
quite that sort of, you know, he wanted that massive
8:32
rendition of his face to be on in
8:35
in a war flag at some stage, which may
8:37
still come. Please, God, don't let it. But it
8:39
may still come. This was more just Instead
8:41
he just gets his name there. He just gets his name
8:43
just stuck at the the bottom right hand corner of
8:45
the Gallagher end as he looked at it. But no, it was it was
8:47
a very ambitious display and it was. It
8:49
didn't quite work, but he quit. think my favorite bit of
8:51
it all was just when I just said hashtag comes,
8:53
just came across the bottom.
8:55
That was amazing. That was
8:57
so funny. It was likely went, well, we've
8:59
we've knocked that bit off. Let's just send that last bit
9:01
out. Get that get that out. We'll have to we can't
9:03
miss that. Yeah. I'm looking forward to
9:05
the flag Chris of your face and
9:07
just the quarter and then it's in. I don't think Magal Maran
9:09
should be starting the Premier League every week.
9:12
Did I have a say about
9:14
that? act at all, probably
9:16
something along the headlines. Anyway
9:19
Yes. Yes. Let's get alongside Jack
9:21
Reelish probably. Yes.
9:23
Absolutely. Chris, you wanted to give a shout
9:25
out to a couple of people as well, didn't you? I
9:27
did indeed saw a few weeks ago
9:29
I had a DM on
9:31
Twitter from Mark Murray, and I think that's how
9:33
he say his name on anyway.
9:35
But he's from Wahoo in
9:38
Nebraska -- Wow. -- and he
9:40
is he has become
9:42
a new cast oriented fan. It was his apparently,
9:44
his professor at college who was a
9:46
Newcastle van brought him into into
9:48
that. He started watching the games, and then he
9:50
met his fiancee who watched
9:52
the matches with him. And on their
9:54
honeymoon, they traveled across to Saint
9:56
James' Park, and they were there on
9:58
Saturday for the first ever
10:00
match. So quite the occasion for them to see
10:02
that display, to have the celebration of
10:04
five one victory, so, yeah, I just wanted to give a bit
10:06
of a shout out to them all the way. They're I
10:08
think I had in home now, but but what but what a
10:10
weekend they must have had. Oh, amazing. Congratulations.
10:12
And what a wedding present that is. Isn't it five
10:14
one win. Trippier. Twenty
10:16
five yards out swings in a great ball.
10:19
Bruno head out. He's
10:21
a brilliant goal. passed
10:24
by Ryan
10:26
Wilson's end. He squareded Jacob
10:29
Murphy.
10:30
Jacob Murphy. has made it
10:32
to for Newcastle,
10:34
penalty for Bradford. Tony
10:36
against pope, scores, and sends the
10:38
keep it the wrong way. Bruno's got
10:40
involved in Newcastle trying to win it
10:42
back, and they have won it back in its
10:44
Bruno with Murphy and Warwick to
10:46
the left. Bruno at the edge of the area
10:48
goes for gold. his
10:58
first ball down the left with Joelinton Wood
11:00
in the middle Anderson too. It's a
11:02
no no no. It's
11:04
good. When you is
11:05
only of the day, the best day in my
11:08
life. I'm playing number six. It's
11:10
difficult to score, and the score to goals, and it's
11:12
two beautiful goals. So it's nice.
11:14
think the goal was important for the game. What
11:17
is my goal? My goal? My
11:19
first goal this season as well. So I'm happy,
11:21
proud of the team. brother of the
11:23
geographer in the Minichiki
11:25
building. Incredible
11:26
stuff. We
11:28
have to say, Chris. Bruno
11:30
Gimrise. He just ran the shore,
11:32
didn't he? He was just the beaten heart
11:34
of everything that Newcastle did
11:36
and everything they did well.
11:38
Two Gauls A month and a much
11:40
performance, pinging the ball around the midfield,
11:42
winning it back. The
11:43
energy, the drive, the passion,
11:46
everything above the ladder is just brilliant,
11:48
isn't it? It is. And actually, weirdly, and this has
11:50
sort of been forgotten about, but he didn't actually start the
11:52
game particularly well. It took him a bit of time to
11:54
get into. He gave the ball away a little bit early
11:56
on and and it was sort of that
11:58
sort of summed up Newcastle in the first ten,
12:00
fifteen minutes where there were there seemed
12:02
to have all this energy but didn't quite
12:04
know how to find their rhythmming and getting to play. But
12:06
then as soon as as soon as he did
12:08
get into it, it was just he was
12:10
they just couldn't deal with him. I mean,
12:12
Bradford didn't play with with
12:14
really defensive midfielder, and and that was an
12:16
issue because it just meant that Bruno Gamairez had
12:18
so much space to ping balls
12:20
out left right and send them. I mean, he he spread the
12:22
one early on to Almirall when he
12:24
cut in and had that really
12:26
good shot. with his left foot from the edge area to
12:28
keep us safe. That came from a a spread
12:30
pass from Bruno. Obviously, they're very,
12:32
very well worked set piece for
12:34
his opening, which came at an important time.
12:36
The the thing about Bruno's two goals is not just
12:38
how good they both were. It was how
12:40
crucial they were in the context of the match. I needed the
12:42
first one. and they needed the third one then when that
12:44
came because Brentford had just scored and the
12:46
momentum could have potentially shifted. I
12:48
mean, I I do think the keep I should have saved
12:50
Bruno's first on, but taken that aside, take to
12:52
get the power on the head that he did and the ball
12:55
from Q1 tripping off. Tripping. Tripping as
12:57
amazing. Yeah. Absolutely one absolutely brilliant. And
12:59
it's being worked on. That's the detail that
13:01
Newcastle have now. They the attention to detail to have
13:03
in these environments and and yeah,
13:05
to to have it bounce off that
13:07
beautiful peroxide
13:09
blonde bonds. And can't
13:11
miss him and Julien? Now can you You cannot
13:14
Can you When he spoke to air
13:16
reports after the game actually, he was asked about it if it Bruno.
13:18
He said that his wife hates the
13:20
haircut, but because he scold whether he's gonna keep
13:22
it. So Yeah. So unfortunate
13:25
hair, but fortunate for the rest of us. And
13:27
of course, another goal for our
13:29
little Paraguayan friend, Chris,
13:31
you all made in mind, Miguel Almaron,
13:33
with another goal. And, I mean, it was a gift,
13:36
wasn't it? Let's be honest, an absolute gift
13:38
as a few of the Gauls were from
13:40
Brenfrençois point of view. but
13:42
hey, he keeps putting them in the net one. He
13:44
keeps scoring and he's and I thought he
13:46
actually, the Golar side, I thought his
13:48
performance was pretty decent as well. Well, I mean, you say
13:50
it was a gift, actually, and we'll get onto this one
13:52
when we chat the curve in the next section about the
13:54
pressing. But actually, I think it was it
13:56
was an they they were sort of unforced errors,
13:58
but with a degree even to castle forcing them
14:00
because of the way that they pressed and the
14:02
way that and Miguel and Ron was like
14:04
a one man press machine there. I actually
14:06
think Amarom was better on
14:08
Saturday than he had been even the previous Saturday. I
14:10
thought he was excellent. He looked he
14:12
looked confident. He took
14:14
the game to Brent for the key moments.
14:16
He so important off the ball.
14:18
But what he did on it, he was decisive.
14:21
He really did actually make
14:23
the right decisions all the time in in the final
14:25
third. He took that opportunity. brilliantly as
14:27
I see was unlucky with that shot beforehand.
14:29
And this is this is the Miguel Armor on I
14:31
I wanted to see and I'm so pleased that we
14:33
are seen and I'm so pleased I have to
14:36
eat another portion of that humble pie, and
14:38
I'm getting even fat now by the minute, just just
14:40
talking into it. But it was it
14:42
was just great to see because
14:44
he is he does inspire his teammates by
14:46
the way that he when he wins the ball and when they
14:48
do things of that. And I think that he benefits
14:50
so much from heaven,
14:52
Bruno, Gomorayash behind him because of the way
14:54
that that that that he can spread play in in the
14:56
decisions that he makes. And
14:58
also, Ki Bin Trippia really likes playing
15:01
with McAlmirall speaking to people inside the club
15:03
and they've seen if he could pick anyone to play on the right hand
15:05
side in front of him, it's Almirall because of
15:07
what he does off the ball. And that sort
15:09
of those three between them, the way that they
15:11
link up, I just think it's so key to the
15:13
Whitney Kosta plane at the minute. Absolutely. And
15:15
also after I haven't mentioned for Jacob Murphy as
15:17
well as first goal in, I think, something like
15:19
eighteen months. Isn't it the first time he scored for a
15:21
long time? Great work by Colm
15:23
Wilson again, a bit of a shock off from the Bradford
15:25
goalkeeper in defense, but com Wilson
15:27
watches on at that ball and and and squares it
15:29
for Murphy and and Murphy took it away and
15:31
he looks so happy with his with
15:33
his gall and his celebration and everything and
15:35
you forget you know, he's he's a he's a fan of the
15:37
club. He's a boyhood fan of the club.
15:40
And he's he's done well over the last couple of weeks.
15:42
Hasn't he came in for a bit of stick recently at
15:44
times, but I think he's done really well
15:46
when he's been coming in and playing instead of
15:48
officer Maximus. He he did do well. And and
15:50
this is it was testament
15:52
to anyhow for sticking with the Sam
15:54
eleven. It was controversial in
15:56
some ways because I
15:58
think a lot of people wanted to see
16:00
on St. Maximus in team. They wanted to
16:02
see Joe Linton back into the team, but Eddie
16:05
Howe persisted with the c m eleven.
16:07
He he he it's ironic and
16:09
one sense because we used to
16:11
sometimes criticize a deep boost he would
16:13
persist with an eleven if if they wanna match. But I
16:15
think that the difference really how is that there's all
16:17
it's all more saggy. I will I
16:19
will drop you if you don't then deliver what I want.
16:21
And there's always a reason behind why he sticks with it.
16:23
He thinks that you have. You've come in. You've
16:25
got made that shirt your own. And until
16:28
until someone else can come and improve. Otherwise,
16:30
you deserve to stay in that, and they'd really hard delivered at
16:32
full, I'm sure, long stuff had played well there as
16:34
well. And so he kept him in the side.
16:36
Dan Bernabe had well left back. He kept
16:38
him there as well and didn't make changes
16:40
for change in sex. But Jacob Murphy,
16:42
yes, looked delighted with the girl again.
16:44
He pressed for the keeper, though he was that he was
16:46
involved in the build up to
16:48
that goal as well. And he's had a couple of other
16:50
opportunities and other parts of the
16:52
game. And it what was interest on on Saturday
16:54
was that actually I
16:56
think Colin Wilson probably did not have his best game
16:58
and the ending Castle still scored five. He missed
17:00
a couple of chances. I also thought there were
17:02
large action to the match where he wasn't necessarily
17:04
central to the action of what
17:06
was going on, but I also think that that
17:09
just his mere presence on
17:11
the pitch. Attracts defenders, disrupts the
17:13
opposition, and kickassle profit because of that. He
17:15
allows those white players to get forward. Does he
17:17
he allows and brings them into the game?
17:19
And he you know, the the assist for the
17:21
Jacob Murphy call. He's put a lot of good work in
17:23
there before he gets the chance. And
17:25
obviously, as a striker, he's gonna be looking to try
17:27
and put that on the net himself. But when he
17:29
realizes the chances in there. He looks for his teammate and, you
17:31
know, that's that's all you can ask of him. He doesn't
17:33
if he's not scoring, at least he's setting up.
17:35
I would be more worried know it's
17:37
a bit of a cliche, but I'd be more worried if the chances weren't coming for
17:39
him. Oh, definitely. He might still be a little bit Ringworthy
17:41
as well because obviously he's had a bit of
17:44
time out we thought he looked a little bit rigorous. He had fallen when I
17:46
mean, he scored, but obviously, he missed us early
17:48
on and missed a couple of other chances. And then
17:50
obviously this week as well, it might just be taking
17:52
a bit of time. them to get back in the swing of things. The
17:54
path passing part of the reason why he did send
17:56
her to to Jacob Murphy was he had received
17:58
an absolute bollocking from from Jason
18:00
Tyndall on the touch lane when he hadn't fastened -- Yeah. --
18:02
a bit earlier on when he was through on the right hand side
18:04
of the box. And I think it was Murphy and might be Will
18:06
it be Will it will it? Yeah. Any any
18:09
any shot and and Newcastle ended up recovering
18:11
the ball again, but I think that I
18:13
think that he had Jason Tyndall
18:15
in his in his orange face just
18:17
to just just that vision in
18:19
it that he needed to to actually cross the
18:21
ball. The mahogany goblin.
18:24
Well, I mean, it was a limp shorn
18:26
from Bren wasn't it? He I mean, poor Ethan Pinnick, my god.
18:28
I bet he wished the ground would all been up and
18:30
swallow him. He'd give away the ball for the
18:32
Almirall call and then turn Joe Linton's cross
18:34
into his own net. was
18:36
it that we were great on the
18:38
day? I mean, we were good, but was it were
18:40
Brent were Brentford terrible? Or was
18:42
it a bit of both, do you think? it bit of
18:44
both, and I think part of the reason why
18:46
Brentford struggled was because Newcastle, as
18:48
I said earlier, forced them into making
18:50
mistakes with their with their present their intent
18:52
but didn't think it was actually Newcastle's best perform to
18:55
the seas, not not by a
18:57
long stretch. What you think is just out of
18:59
just out of interest. Which one more? Man
19:01
city, but equally. Right. I
19:03
I also think I also think that in
19:05
Italian sense, they were actually better against Crystal
19:07
Palace that just didn't take the chances.
19:09
So in so many ways, it was they
19:11
ruthlessly exploited Brent Fed's weaknesses,
19:13
which had been identified by the
19:15
coaching staff and and and they managed
19:17
to do that, but Bradford also contributed to to their
19:20
own downfall. And as I said, I think those
19:22
Bruno girls did come at crucial times
19:24
because The first one was
19:26
to break the deadlock, but Newcastle first tenants
19:28
have been sloppy, had conceded,
19:30
which was rightly then ruled out because
19:33
Ivan Tony was was in in an side
19:35
position even though he didn't touch the ball before
19:37
Embraer scored. But Newcastle had a
19:39
few difficult moments that almost
19:41
walked them up to a certain degree. And then
19:43
also Bruno getting that third one
19:45
just after what I thought was a
19:47
very harsh penalty. I I can see
19:49
and I I know he's our arms open, was gonna ask
19:51
you about this. I'm I'm not having it as AII
19:53
the buy them letter of the North if the US, but
19:55
then I was watching the after Liverpool
19:58
game. Yes. the other one. And it's like, how is that one not a penalty?
20:00
because he actually does have his arm and
20:02
burnage facing the other way. Space in the ball.
20:04
Burns facing the way. Yeah. I
20:06
had this conversation with somebody yesterday as well, and
20:08
I couldn't get me head around why one was
20:10
and why one wasn't. They either both are --
20:12
Yeah. -- or neither of them. Exactly. You know, it's
20:15
that's what you can't say. One isn't, one isn't because they're
20:17
essentially the same thing. And if
20:19
anything, Gabrielle's is more, well,
20:21
it's not intentional, but he's he's looking at the
20:23
ball as it's crossed. and he's put his hand. It burns
20:25
burns hand comes over after he
20:27
jumps. The ball hits it. It's a
20:29
weird stupid rule. And the one's called the other
20:31
way as well that were disallowed yesterday, the Rushford
20:33
one and then The Mick Cal Antonio won
20:35
that stood, but was exactly the same, and I don't I
20:37
just I can't get me uploaded. We need to go
20:39
back intentional and unintentional.
20:42
And that's it. Stop pissing about with the rules, man.
20:45
Wait. Right. Harish,
20:47
men are all troughed bound
20:50
on Sunday. Are we confident of getting
20:52
something to historically a pretty
20:54
awful place for us to go, isn't it? Let's be honest.
20:56
But who knows? The way things are,
20:58
the minute? Exactly. I mean, I touched upon this in
21:00
my piece from the weekend's games or
21:02
seeing that the the power of Saint James is at the
21:04
moment in the way that Newcastle are, the
21:06
form that that they've been in, The
21:08
fifth highest number of points accumulated by any
21:10
Premier League side in twenty twenty two and
21:12
beaten at home when he lost once all
21:15
season. the way that they are intimidating
21:17
opposition sides, you do wonder how
21:19
far can this Newcastle side go. And they
21:21
at the minute, you must think they they probably are
21:23
in that European question. They're in the top six of
21:25
the minute, six in the league months. Exactly. In the
21:28
league. What's going on? Next week, I think, is
21:30
a big we will find out a lot more about
21:32
when Newcastle on, how far they can go, because
21:34
got months United way. They've then got evident
21:36
at all midweek, and then the quarter spares
21:38
the following. So three games in eight days,
21:40
two of which are against so called
21:42
big six sides. And if that can come out of
21:44
that with so between four and six
21:47
points, I think that then you suddenly thinking,
21:49
yeah, that that could be up there, but that's a
21:51
money night is a real challenge of it because they they got an
21:53
important win at the weekend
21:55
against Evan that that struggled to
21:57
fall and behind and if Newcastle can can go
21:59
there and actually pick up a positive result of the
22:01
ground, which historically has been awful for
22:04
them, then I think that I think that
22:06
that will just just increase the confidence levels further in
22:08
a team which already looks like it's got so much self
22:10
belief. Brilliant. Right. We're
22:12
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22:16
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So as the season
25:57
has progressed, we felt like the team was playing well,
25:59
but perhaps not getting their just rewards
26:02
in terms of points But after back to back
26:04
winds, is it possible we are now slightly
26:06
flattered by our points tally? Chris
26:08
probably thinks saw the miserable sod
26:10
There's only one way to get at the bottom of this.
26:12
Jelly wrestling. No.
26:16
Actually, it's to speak to somebody who
26:18
knows about how crunch
26:20
the numbers and fresh from being
26:22
published by the club's website recently.
26:24
It's a great pleasure to welcome Kevin Lawson
26:26
to the show. Hi, Kevin. How are you doing? Yeah. I'm really
26:28
well. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you for
26:30
inviting me on. I feel really privileged to be here as
26:32
a long time listening. So long
26:34
time listening. First time call. Thanks for
26:36
joining us. So,
26:38
Kev, so what have you been doing? What's what's
26:40
your background with this? You're you're heavily involved in
26:42
the stats and you run why I
26:44
scout as well on on Twitter. Is
26:46
that right? What what sort of
26:48
your background on this? And what sort of activities have you
26:50
been doing with regards to football data?
26:53
So I've been sort of dabbling in football
26:56
data for for years, really. It's sort
26:58
of crystallized at the
27:00
end of the last cruisey
27:02
season basically. So, like, this
27:04
time last year, I'd set up WaianaeScout
27:06
as a new brand facing the
27:08
wider public. And it was
27:10
kind of like a bit of a,
27:13
you know,
27:13
middle finger to Mike Ashley. At that point,
27:15
he wasn't really didn't really care about the club. So
27:17
I I was like, do you know what? Like, I
27:19
could go the other way and just, you know,
27:21
all of it be become apathetic
27:24
and and so forth like that. But
27:26
I just decided that, you know, the
27:28
club deserves people that care about it. And
27:30
so I I created the account. And then, you
27:33
know, after a few months
27:35
later, I managed to land a job at stats
27:37
bomb, who are one of the main
27:39
data collectors in the football industry.
27:42
And, yeah, it's sort of
27:44
all all snowballed from there. It's been
27:46
like a bit of a whirlwind twelve
27:48
months. Like, I found out I had the job at
27:50
stats bomb on a Monday, and then
27:52
new cars have got taken over, like, a
27:54
few days later. And then I was at, like, the stats
27:56
bomb conference the day after that.
27:58
And, yeah, it was very,
28:00
very, very, like, great
28:02
week.
28:02
It's like one of those, if Carlsberg,
28:04
big weeks, weeks, you know, Excellent
28:06
stuff. Well, Georgia won credit for Kev's appearance
28:08
because he had an interaction on on
28:10
social media last week, but but
28:13
actually Ali Opera News had already
28:15
suggested we get Kev on and I I speak to Kev
28:17
fairly regularly. We exchange messages and
28:19
he's very useful at pointing me in
28:21
the direction of data because it's not something
28:23
I want to tend is my strong point, although
28:25
we do like to to use I
28:27
mean, Kev, before we get into
28:30
too much of of the of the
28:32
specific data on sort of Newcastle season
28:34
and in general, when you when you look
28:36
back at the the end of the steep boost year
28:38
and you compare it to now and it let's
28:40
just stick with the statistics statistically
28:42
how different Army Castle now. I
28:45
mean, we are completely
28:47
different. It's like if Bruce
28:49
was the, you know, the bargeur on the
28:51
Suez Canal. How
28:53
is like a like, someone's just opened
28:55
the dam. It is legitimately
28:57
at one hundred and eighty from where we were
28:59
this time last season. Like,
29:02
the back end of last
29:03
season, when how, like, at flight
29:05
from of the end of December through to the
29:07
end of the season when you could see the players
29:09
finally getting fit and able to,
29:11
like, implement the press and everything that
29:13
Hal wanted to do. It was
29:15
mainly - everything was mainly driven by
29:17
how well we defended. We got
29:20
Chris Wood in and he was like the big
29:22
guy up front, but we were still,
29:24
you know, still sort of scraping around for
29:26
goals. This season is a completely, you
29:28
know, we're still good at defending. We've
29:30
liked really, really great at defending,
29:32
but Actually, it's our attacking metrics
29:34
that just look seriously,
29:36
seriously impressive. And I
29:38
think I put something out on social media
29:40
yesterday to say, Newcastle are legitimately in
29:43
the conversation for six and upwards now.
29:45
I'm not saying they're gonna be, you
29:47
know, in the top six,
29:49
but we're definitely in the conversation. Now
29:52
if you compare that to twelve months ago,
29:54
like, that's that feels feels wild
29:56
because even though we have spent two
29:58
hundred million on players, it does
30:00
feel like we're just one or two
30:02
injuries away from being back to
30:04
the group that, you know, that sort of kept us
30:06
going for the last like four or five seasons. The nucleus is
30:08
very much still the same as well, isn't it? The
30:10
the nucleus of the team and the group is still the
30:13
same sort of team is what Steve Bruce
30:15
had. essentially. And essentially, I think, like,
30:17
you can see, like, they've made
30:19
quality additions all the way down the spine of the
30:21
team, and that definitely helps. But it
30:23
doesn't hurt that how seems
30:25
to be have the bit of the mind as such of literally
30:28
improving every single one of those
30:30
players. Like, whereas under Bruce,
30:32
we were unstructured
30:34
mess to be quite frank and like I say
30:36
that with all due respect to
30:38
Steve's, you know, thousand games in
30:40
in football. But every
30:43
every little detail about the
30:45
way how how his team plays football especially
30:48
after the summer and he's, you know, had a chance
30:50
to really of drill absolutely
30:52
everything into them is
30:54
is really impressive. It's really impressive to
30:56
watch. I think, like, you can hear
30:58
that around the ground, like, the nerves
31:00
And the disbelief about, like, are
31:03
we really a good football
31:05
team
31:05
again? It takes a little
31:07
while for
31:07
that for those COGS to quite song
31:10
in. Yes. Yeah. It it certainly hasn't hasn't for me.
31:12
Like, someone much smarter than me
31:14
at Stratbourne said, Kev, I think
31:16
Newcastle legitimately legitimately
31:18
the top six team. And I was my I
31:21
was like, no. Top eight. Top eight. Like
31:23
like, there's there's parts of my brain that
31:26
still wants that So it's the
31:28
natural the natural pessimism of a Newcastle
31:30
farm, isn't it that kicks in at that point? That's what that
31:32
is. Yeah. You know, the natural order of the last
31:34
fourteen years is it's not gonna
31:36
last. Like, that's that's
31:38
quite quite frankly what it is.
31:40
And I'm not
31:40
sure I'm not sure that that can
31:42
continue now. I think we might all have
31:45
to accept and be a little bit bullish
31:47
and may be confident that we've got a
31:49
decent team again. Well, let's let's
31:51
drill down into some of those stats. We're looking remarkably
31:53
strong in especially the Italian start
31:55
side of things. In
31:58
the top five,
31:59
for all of these stats shots, crosses,
32:02
corners, taken, mountain times have
32:04
hit the wood where Gauls and Gauls smoke side
32:06
of the box. The the shots want
32:08
me is a big one because
32:10
I remember under Steve Bruce, we were like we
32:12
were like possibly the lowest club in the league for
32:14
the amount of shots we took. Newcastle
32:16
Right now, they're actually fourth
32:19
highest shots for shots per
32:21
ninety in the league, which is
32:23
we take sixteen shots a game and
32:25
anyone that's So it does follow me on social
32:27
media or no, all summer. I was
32:29
harping on about shot volume. Like,
32:31
just take more shots. You know, the goals
32:33
will come. And what's even
32:35
more more impressive is we're top of the
32:37
entire league for shots from
32:39
set pieces per ninety. And that's
32:41
just edging towards six. it's
32:43
just a sea change
32:45
when you look at like the shots we're
32:47
taking versus the shots we're giving
32:49
up and compare the expected
32:51
goal values of those two things.
32:53
And the difference between
32:55
them, a bit like gold difference. So this is
32:57
expected gold difference. is
32:59
the third highest in the league too, and that
33:01
is like zero point eight five, which
33:03
means we're close to a
33:05
goal ahead. her game than
33:07
our opponents in the the quality
33:09
of the chances we're creating.
33:11
And that's that's third in the
33:13
league right now.
33:16
our schedule hasn't been, like,
33:18
amazingly bad, but hasn't been kind either.
33:20
Right? So, like, We
33:23
are legit and
33:26
it's difficult to it's difficult
33:28
to process. I'm gonna be quite honest because
33:30
I didn't expect us to be quite so good, quite so
33:32
quickly. Kevin, you you mentioned the the
33:34
shot volume, and it is something we we spoke about.
33:36
I mean, you were saying going into someone in your castle need
33:38
to sign someone who just takes lots of
33:40
shots you would see, and that's exactly what
33:42
they need to do. And we've only seen
33:44
ESAC for for a couple of matches
33:47
I mean, you got it. You got a couple of calls, but isn't
33:49
necessarily that someone who takes all of those sorts
33:51
of stuff. How how do you think it has
33:53
translated into them taking more shots. You think it's because they
33:55
are higher with the pitch. They're pressing higher. That it
33:58
just it's just is that change of mentality?
34:00
How do you think someone transferred me
34:02
in there?
34:02
Yogan Club's got this famous quote
34:05
about like a good press being the best
34:07
playmaker. We get the ball
34:09
back so cheaply, so often. unlike
34:11
Brenford, most teams like don't try and play for us. They'd like
34:13
knock the ball long and hope for a knock down
34:15
or whatnot. And, you know, you saw
34:17
against Brenford like If
34:19
you're not good enough to do that, like we played
34:22
against Brighton and City and
34:24
Liverpool, and they all played through
34:26
the press. pretty well to be, you know, quite frank. But if
34:28
you've not got the quality of players to do
34:30
that, then that what
34:32
happens against Brentford
34:34
happens, you know, you
34:35
pick up some easy shots, some easy chances.
34:37
And suddenly, it, you know, it would
34:39
be all your your five one
34:41
up without actually having to create
34:43
a lot, like, from your own attacking.
34:46
It's just from mistakes.
34:48
It's a it's it's
34:50
it's seeing Newcastle be so organized in
34:52
that sort of way, picking up on
34:54
team's errors rather than being the
34:56
team making the error
34:58
is like I don't I I can't remember. I think we have to
35:00
go back to Kagan era nineties for that.
35:02
Right? Like, even under as soon as
35:04
we
35:04
have boonsong,
35:06
just leathering it to to to five yards to people
35:08
like outside his own box. So it's yeah.
35:11
It's not good. Kevin, you mentioned
35:13
that sort of change. instead
35:15
of play. I'm actually writing about this with with
35:17
our own data guys at the minute about about the press
35:19
and the fact that Newcastle gone from I
35:21
mean, under Steve Bruce, and
35:24
even underneath as previously, but under
35:26
Steve Bruce, they played such a low block and were
35:28
very passive, so passive, yeah,
35:30
passive defensively whereas now I mean, they've got highest
35:32
number of of of high turnovers, turnovers
35:34
in the final third in terms of winning the
35:36
ball. As you say, three of the
35:39
goals on on Saturday essentially came from turning the ball over
35:41
in the opposition half, one of which
35:44
was obviously the the terrible back pass
35:46
but forced by
35:48
Almirall pressing Hi.
35:50
Yeah. Jacob Murphy's call came from Jacob
35:52
Murphy Presson as well. from
35:54
Bruce. Bruce, second, there was five
35:56
Newcastle players basically
35:58
around whether Brentford players just inside their half. I mean, that change
35:59
I think it was the I think that one stage that
36:02
had the that were the most passive
36:04
team
36:04
for five years in the Premier League.
36:07
to now being this team of ultra aggressive
36:09
high press and to have done that in less than
36:11
a year under how how impressive is
36:13
that? It's super impressive. It's it's a bit
36:15
of like a microcosm over the last
36:17
twelve months. Right? Like, gone from, like, being the most inactive football
36:20
club in English Premier
36:22
League history. most
36:24
active, you know, like everything's
36:26
looking up and so forth like that. I
36:28
think, like, I think I I mentioned
36:30
before, like, In December,
36:32
you could see, like, the players just weren't fit
36:34
for those first two months at how they just
36:36
weren't fit enough to do this style of
36:38
play even though how wanted to implement
36:40
it and and so thoughts like
36:42
that. And once they
36:44
got there, you could see, actually,
36:46
we weren't given the ball
36:48
away quite so much. We're getting cheap possession back
36:50
a little bit more. And they go hand in hand, you know. If you're forcing
36:53
teams to kick it long to play, but poor
36:55
passes, you end up with the possession
36:58
more often. And that's something that's really changed the seasons. Newcastle were
37:00
having more of the book.
37:02
Even when you don't necessarily
37:04
have, like, have
37:06
a team at Bruno Gomarius is right.
37:08
But if we're getting cheap possession back
37:10
over and over and over
37:12
again, getting cheap turnovers high up
37:15
the build that's gonna make a big difference to
37:17
even the nucleus of those players that
37:19
we've, you know, that really do run and
37:21
work and that love the club.
37:23
So it's it's is
37:25
so impressive. And I'm gonna,
37:28
like like, be completely
37:30
transparent as well
37:32
based on his previous record at Bournemouth. I did not think Eddie Howe
37:34
had this level of performance in
37:36
his locker, especially defensively.
37:38
That's not what his teams were like
37:42
known for. Like, I think most of the seasons
37:44
he was up up up in the league on the ballmouth.
37:46
Like, they they conceded more than sixty
37:48
goals a season, which is a
37:50
lot. It's every season. Yeah. Every season. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's it's
37:52
a lot. Right? And I just didn't
37:55
couldn't couldn't see how
37:57
he could come in and fix the thing that
37:59
needed to be fixed so quickly.
38:02
But he one of
38:03
the good things about
38:06
Eddie. How that seems to have happened and we we now
38:08
rejoice about the fact is he seems to
38:10
be a manager that's able to
38:12
learn and that
38:14
is incredibly difficult to
38:16
find in the football football. I mean, we've seen
38:18
with Bruce and what's happened at at West
38:20
Braun, like, not wanting to
38:21
again to cast any dispersions,
38:24
but, like, you can see, managers do get stuck in their ways. And the ones that
38:26
don't, the ones that are involved
38:28
with the game are
38:30
rarer's
38:31
hand teeth. we've spoken about those attack
38:33
and starts a bit there and the turnover in the high press and everything. But one of
38:35
the things I didn't realize until when
38:38
I was
38:40
watching my there was that new custom now have one of the meanest defenses in the
38:42
league as well, which is it's
38:44
great. If you can get the balance of both of those
38:46
things, if you're attacking stats are great and
38:48
your defensive start to agree. We're now
38:50
tied with man sitting in brain as having the means of
38:52
defense in the league. I mean We've I
38:54
obviously put the bulk of our
38:56
investment into into
38:58
the defense. I think, like, although, you know, you see, like, Rolls
39:00
Royce performances from Bachman who, you
39:02
know, wins basically everything in the
39:03
air
39:04
plays lovely passes, but Nick Pope's
39:08
contribution really shouldn't be, you know, underestimated.
39:10
He's far more active than Nebraska
39:12
was off his line. He comes for
39:15
crosses. It like, especially
39:17
in that last five, ten minutes where maybe we've only
39:19
got a one goldbleed. You can just see me
39:21
just out straight off the line trying to trying
39:23
to grab claim the ball and just calm
39:25
everything down. And It's just instills confidence into the defense.
39:27
Doesn't it when you've got a goalkeeper who's prepared to come and
39:29
do that. It's yeah. That's huge. I
39:32
feel less nervous watching
39:34
Newcastle in
39:36
the last sort of ten minutes
39:38
or seeing out games now, which is like as a, you know, a season ticket
39:40
holder.
39:40
Like, that's not something that you're
39:42
used to do. Right? So it's like
39:46
for for years upon years, like, shaky Newcastle
39:48
at the back, you
39:49
know, Newcastle are gonna gonna give give one
39:52
up if you put them under
39:54
pressure. That It doesn't feel like
39:56
that anymore. And
39:57
that's that's not just like a change
39:59
from last season. That's so entirely like a
40:02
culture change. in the in a
40:04
club that's used to conceding goals all the
40:06
way back to the nineties. One
40:07
of the things that I wanted to ask you about
40:09
as well is your first feature article for New custody night as well
40:11
-- There we go. -- was was about Miguel Almirall,
40:14
wasn't it? And he's had a great a great start of
40:16
the season.
40:18
I wanna know if you're gonna be the one
40:20
who converts Chris Wharf into a into a believer, into
40:22
one of the biggie bunch because
40:26
I've been a fan of Miggies for a long time and I and I I always felt
40:28
that he he was harshly treated slightly. Chris
40:30
wasn't too sure at the start of the season that
40:32
he should be starting games, but I
40:35
think he's proven himself, hasn't he? I
40:37
think so.
40:38
Like, I we put this
40:40
together alongside the club.
40:42
We, you know, we sat down and had a conversation about,
40:44
like,
40:46
basically, we saw Albian an app a
40:48
Twitter account called Albian
40:50
Analytics, start putting stuff up on Brighten
40:52
Hove Albian's website, and
40:54
we thought I thought at the point,
40:56
well, this is a good opportunity to have a
40:58
conversation with Newcastle about whether this would
41:00
be something they'd be interested
41:02
in.
41:02
So we we we thought about like
41:04
what the first sort of the frame of the
41:06
first article could be and, you know,
41:08
Miguel Almirall is a player that
41:10
does divide opinion sort of quite
41:12
readily in Newcastle. And I think the legitimate like, he doesn't score
41:15
a lot of goals or hasn't previously scored
41:17
a lot of goals, but he obviously
41:19
works really hard and is,
41:22
like, the embodiment of the we don't demand a team
41:24
that wins. We demand a team that tries mantra.
41:26
Right? He's the, like, he's the
41:29
embodiment of that. we started to have
41:31
a look at the data, and you could see from the moment, he started to play
41:33
right wing towards the back end of
41:36
last season.
41:38
in that inside right forward position.
41:40
His stats, his his underlying statistics,
41:43
his exGs, started to
41:45
creep upwards. And then he
41:47
you know, really good goal against Palace. Everyone's like, oh,
41:50
wow. Why didn't we see that a bit more? And
41:52
then during pre season,
41:54
we see Almirall on the
41:56
gold machine. Right? We see I
41:58
think he scored, what's it? Six in preseason,
41:59
five or six in pre yeah. Six.
42:02
Yeah. And a few
42:04
assists as well and, like,
42:06
the the the question was, can can
42:08
he bring this into into the into the new
42:10
season? Get a really
42:12
scruffy one against Man City, which
42:14
was for him a bit
42:16
unusual because it came from inside the the
42:18
six yard box like most album
42:20
runs rarely actually there to just get the tap
42:22
ins and get the graphic ones. So,
42:24
like, immediately, when I saw that,
42:26
I saw actually he's starting
42:28
to really get the, you know, the fundamentals
42:30
of what it means to play in a position like
42:32
that. So we looked again and we could
42:34
see all of this stuff was incrementally
42:36
over that twenty game period,
42:39
just creeping towards
42:42
Almirall getting
42:44
into, like, per
42:44
ninety x t, sort of zero point
42:47
two five ish. And that means
42:49
like he should score
42:50
a goal. once every four games is effectively
42:53
what what what that means. But
42:55
where he's at now after the the
42:57
last couple of weekends, you know, scoring
42:59
two and and then school in
43:01
another at the against Brentford. He's actually higher than
43:03
he was in his last season at
43:06
MLS, which is, you know, he was a
43:08
regular regular
43:10
ghost for Atlanta. So
43:12
there's a good chance. Well,
43:13
Mickey's already matched his best ever
43:16
title in the
43:18
Premier League. and there's a
43:20
good chance that he goes on and and
43:22
gets maybe
43:22
twice the amount
43:23
or maybe eight
43:24
in
43:26
total. It depends on, obviously, what happens
43:28
in January and whether his place and the team
43:30
is under threat at any point. But He's
43:33
looking way better than Premier League average at
43:36
the moment, Chris. So
43:38
it's something -- Right. -- you apply Christmas. When
43:40
you went on the pod earlier, Kevin I after
43:42
he walks a ripple about Almirall on Saturday. I thought he's better than he was previous weekend.
43:44
And this is what I want this is what I've wanted to
43:46
see from, and I I will be delighted
43:48
if this continues and this trend does
43:50
continue. But
43:52
one, player who I don't think any of us are gonna disagree
43:54
about is Bruno Gomarius. Can you just
43:56
give us a little bit of
43:58
an insight into into his statistics?
44:02
because, really, he can do a bit of everything, can't he? I
44:04
think that's
44:05
kind of,
44:06
like, the big takeaway
44:10
is, like, If you look at, like, in sort of statistic
44:12
industry, when we're comparing players, we tend
44:14
to use, like, radars
44:16
that put a bunch of
44:18
metrics around the outside and then create like
44:20
this surface area and
44:22
the wider the surface area, the better the
44:24
player. when he came from
44:26
Lyon, his radar was
44:28
effectively hit all of the corners of,
44:30
like, all of the the upper limits of
44:32
all of the metrics. It was like a
44:34
a joy to see. He's not at,
44:36
as I say, quite as a dominant
44:39
team, and he's a new league. He's not
44:41
quite at that level, but statistically,
44:44
he's really basically not
44:46
bad at anything. And
44:48
I think even this season, like, you got to remember,
44:50
like, he's not really playing the role that
44:52
he was playing last season where he was like this
44:54
creative six burst into the box
44:56
and and and so forth like that. He's playing a bit
44:58
further back in that sort of the holding role
45:00
while Shelby's shelves
45:02
out. And I think, like,
45:04
it's no surprise. Like, he's in the top
45:06
ten percent of, like, the entire
45:08
league for Fault
45:10
one, which is weird. He's second of all
45:12
players in the Premier League per ninety for
45:14
tackles, which is again,
45:16
like, which is really really
45:18
good. And despite being that far back down the pitch, he's in the top ten
45:20
percent for expected assists. Yeah.
45:22
Like, it's an accumulation for him.
45:24
It's not like any one area if he's
45:26
getting, like,
45:28
sticks out like a sore thumb like with
45:30
dribbling, for example. He's just
45:32
no he's a no
45:34
weakness guy. and
45:36
you see a lot of chatter on social media about him being, you
45:38
know, the best midfielder that Newcastle have
45:41
ever had. I'm not
45:43
not suggesting that that's the
45:46
case. But there was a lot of
45:48
comparisons to him and
45:50
Kubei last
45:52
weekend and he
45:52
was winning that argument hands down for for most new cast of fans that
45:54
I I was reading. And I pretty much go
45:56
along with that myself
45:57
too. And what does the
45:59
data
45:59
say about peroxide blonde hair and how that helps you with the with the
46:02
performances. Finally enough,
46:04
I actually
46:05
had a question
46:08
about this like, IIII wish I was joking, but, I question
46:10
about, like, how how does how
46:12
does he play, you know, differ when he's
46:14
got blonde
46:15
hair versus non blonde hair.
46:18
And he's like, I mean, if someone can give me a
46:20
calendar of, like, the date the games he's
46:22
had blonde hair versus non blonde hair, we can do
46:24
something with that.
46:26
But, like, It's not something that's in stats pond's data
46:28
collection, like, state
46:30
of spec as it will. Amazing stuff. Well,
46:32
we've come in off a long way since
46:35
Chris' first mention of a double pivot on this
46:37
podcast to send everyone into Asterix.
46:40
Well, thanks, Kev, for joining us. It's
46:42
been brilliant interest in an
46:44
insightful stuff. genuinely. I mean, I don't often pay an
46:46
awful lot of attention to
46:48
statistics and data and stuff. And I think I'm going
46:50
to start
46:52
having a bit more of a look. It it's fascinating stuff.
46:54
Thank you so much for coming on. It's great great
46:56
to have you on there. It's a real pleasure
46:58
to be invited on and to
47:00
come on and to talk you guys.
47:02
And, like, I think the the thing that the key takeaway about all of
47:05
the advanced stats and the data and stuff like
47:07
that is, like, if you're not
47:10
interested, it doesn't really, like, add too much
47:12
to, like, the audience part of the part
47:14
of the game. If the only score that you're or
47:16
the only stat that you're interested in is the
47:18
one in the top right corner. That's
47:21
completely fine. I've got a mayor he rearped all of this stuff, and he he pulled me
47:23
last week and said, that's three weeks running you've mentioned
47:25
next year on the show. Stop
47:28
it. I get that all the time
47:30
too. It's like it's all it's all it's all
47:32
rubbish. So like like when, you
47:35
know, when you put up something
47:37
about like a player that's not scored a lot
47:39
of goals historically and say, look, actually,
47:41
his numbers are going the right
47:44
way. He he might do better than a and
47:46
then, you know, he ends up two weeks
47:48
later as he's Newcastle's top goalscorer
47:50
in in Almirall. You're like
47:52
you're like this is the reason why clubs
47:54
are so invested in it. It is it's not perfect, but it's the best
47:57
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47:58
that we have
47:59
now. So
47:59
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So Chris, we added a number this week
50:30
that Elaine is gonna be bringing her new
50:32
custody United women's
50:34
team back to St. James's park on November the twenty seventh of the
50:36
fifth, Broadfudge City. And he
50:38
said Broadfudge City there. You can't do that.
50:40
Can't you? You're not allowed to
50:42
do that. I'll
50:44
just take I'll just
50:46
ignore that to just answer what was the
50:48
initial point, shall I which was
50:50
which yes. So basically, that we that there
50:52
was gonna be at least well, there's meant to be at
50:54
least two games at Saint James as this
50:56
season for the women's team George and I had
50:58
written about this in
51:00
our big read last week. I looked into the yes, it's a takeover
51:02
seeing how it was going to be announced. Similarly, it was
51:04
a day after. It was
51:06
confirmed and
51:08
they got twenty no. Twenty three
51:10
thousand in May, the first ever match
51:12
at Saint James is for the women's
51:14
side. And given that
51:16
there isn't any
51:18
Premier League football or domestic
51:20
top level football in the
51:22
men's league during that time because the
51:24
World Cup will be on hopefully,
51:27
they can get AAA very
51:29
good crowd for that match as well
51:32
because I'm churning Castle Mountain and Braced
51:34
it. I know privately Amanda Stavely
51:36
and Mehta Caducia are talking about at some point.
51:38
Maybe it's not this occasion, but at some point they
51:40
would like to sort of break the
51:42
the the the w SL attendance record.
51:45
So that would be wonderful if they can get
51:47
any Something like forty seven thousand or something like
51:49
that. Yeah. It was in North London Derby earlier this
51:51
year, I think. So
51:54
but then you gotta remember that is the but that
51:56
is the WSL. This is this is the
51:58
fourth tier of women's football tournament
52:00
here and there's twenty three thousand went
52:02
to see it earlier this year. They're regularly getting crowds of
52:05
fifteen hundred, two and a half thousand
52:07
to Kingston Park for their fixtures
52:09
so far this year. and
52:11
then to get it to in James as if they can
52:13
get anything close to even what that had last time. But as
52:15
I say I imagine, they could well get more. That'll just
52:18
be that'll be brilliant. Turning the build up to
52:20
Christmas. It'll just be that sort fever sort of
52:22
atmosphere, I think. Suddenly the
52:23
route of the FAA WNL
52:25
Cup, but it sounded like
52:27
they dominated a game
52:30
against Durham stirier but couldn't break the deadlock and ended up
52:32
going out on penalties to shame that
52:34
one. But the the energy behind the
52:36
women's game at the minute and the the amount of
52:38
people who are wanting
52:40
to go And it's a great day out, isn't it Chris? You've been along with George.
52:42
And they're they're fantastic occasions. And if
52:44
new cast are not playing, then the men's team,
52:46
get along, take the family, take
52:48
the kids, it's a great deal.
52:50
Yeah. And the ambition is
52:52
there. The ambition that is
52:54
there for the for the men's side of football there for
52:56
the women's side as well. This is the club that
52:58
it's now part of
53:00
the
53:00
main body as we keep seeing. Bakken Langley
53:02
is full time again, full time in
53:04
the fourth tier of women's football.
53:06
and they are trying to they are ambitious. They they have this idea that they're gonna
53:08
get in the Champions League by twenty twenty seven. I
53:10
mean, this is it's even more
53:14
of will win transformation. They've gotten visioned for the for the men's side
53:16
in terms of of getting that false. So
53:18
that desire to frac issues.
53:21
But even so beyond that, as you say, it is it
53:24
is good down. It is Newcastle united.
53:26
This is a team which represents
53:28
the club
53:30
and they it is a wonderful atmosphere. It's really
53:32
really fun. Often now in the
53:34
last few weeks, they haven't actually clashed
53:37
with men's fixtures, which is good as well and has helped crowds
53:40
to improve. But it's in James' park for
53:42
those who haven't been before, this could be a
53:44
really good entry level it be an
53:46
opportunity to get inside Saint James' as well.
53:48
It's difficult to get to to
53:50
men's games because they're they're
53:52
almost all
53:54
sold out tickets are are are selling like like hot cakes,
53:56
but to to to say this, to have this big
53:58
occasion, I think, could be brilliant. Absolutely. I've
53:59
never had a hot cake. Have you had a hot cake
54:02
before, Chris? what
54:04
do you call it pudding? Do you call it pudding if it's
54:06
hot? I mean, I like I like any sort
54:08
of baked good
54:10
really. So I'm sure I probably
54:12
have, but Nolan immediately sprinkling the mind.
54:14
We
54:14
had turnafries hotcakes. Anyway,
54:17
before we go, thanks for all
54:19
the feedback on last show in the articles
54:21
by Matslida and Ollie Keay. As expected, there was
54:23
plenty of comments on both articles.
54:26
Any enduring thoughts, Chris,
54:28
after that will win week
54:30
of takeover nostalgia? Yes. I think that
54:32
it was a wonderful
54:34
celebration of everything Newcastleon aided
54:38
on Saturday, I thought it was a great way to
54:40
to mark the occasion. I thought in that
54:43
I thought the energy around
54:46
the place feeling of togetherness, the feeling of the club being
54:48
won again was wonderful, but it
54:50
was also a sort of moment for reflection. And
54:52
and I know some
54:54
people probably rule arrives at
54:56
this and we'll we'll want to hear it, but
54:58
Matt Slater's article and also Ollie Keay
55:00
is going to Saudi Arabia. I thought both
55:02
articles were very balanced. If you haven't
55:04
read them would recommend it because I think that it isn't just the
55:06
sort of just just
55:08
completely negative The absolutely
55:10
weren't hit jobs,
55:12
were they? No. They they they weren't. And and and and
55:14
and for months later, we're sort of
55:16
looking and trying to see how
55:18
far the Saudi in France does
55:20
infiltrate Newcastle. And it's it is it is a
55:22
legitimate question. They're only eighty percent of the the Saudi
55:24
Arabia public investment fund owns eighty
55:26
percent of the club. And basically, his conclusion
55:28
was almost that
55:30
in some ways it's been similar to how they run
55:32
their their investments in other companies and
55:34
that they have have put the money there
55:36
and they they are the ultimate decision makers on
55:38
the big decisions, but what they've actually done
55:40
is they've been smart and they've put people in positions
55:42
who are better placed to run the football
55:44
club. It's been a hands off approach. in
55:47
that sense. And the questions of sportswashing won't go
55:49
away and or should they go away and that that that's
55:51
a keep as we
55:54
keep reiterating. sports
55:56
washing only succeeds if if if
55:58
you don't talk about it, and some people don't
56:00
like the term, but there is there were
56:02
there were accusations of it. And clearly,
56:04
that is at least the
56:06
allegations that the likes of amnesty and national
56:08
make about but but why PIF or one
56:10
of the reasons why PIF have got involved
56:12
in the Cassianite. So I I think it showed it brought those
56:15
questions back into focus as they will
56:17
do regular occasion occasions, but also
56:19
I thought that it
56:21
it did show the very best of
56:23
nicotinated. And what was interesting was that we also got to
56:26
hear for only the
56:28
second time from Remind,
56:30
Newcastle's chairman governor of the PIF.
56:32
It was a it was
56:34
very important, I think, internally, the club because
56:36
it's taken a a lot of
56:38
putting together to get there's there's a lot to we talk about the
56:40
bureaucracy involved in PIAF to get the statement
56:42
signed off. I think took a lot of
56:45
energy from people inside the club. I don't think it actually said
56:47
that much. It just sort of reiterated the ambitions of
56:50
previously. And what I would like to see now, and
56:52
this is not just from Yasoro
56:54
Remind, but also from Don
56:55
Ashworth, the sport director and from
56:58
Darnell's CEO going forward is is is
57:00
greater communication to hear
57:02
we are now a year into
57:04
this project for one of a better term. And where
57:06
do Newcastle go next? What
57:09
are the exact lines
57:11
of power. What what is
57:14
the vision? And we I would like to hear
57:16
more from the owners going forward. Yes. There
57:18
were the there were the interviews on the club
57:20
website, which would would far more
57:22
than you got under Mike Ashley previously,
57:24
but still to actually have journalists
57:26
being able to go there, question them,
57:28
and find out I would like to see more of that
57:30
going forward. Absolutely.
57:30
Right then, let's let's finish off one more thing before we
57:33
go. The Eurovision song contest was awarded
57:35
to Liverpool and not
57:38
Newcastle. Chris, obviously, they got a leaked tip of you singing
57:40
on that. We are the Jordi song and
57:42
thought we can't possibly it
57:46
that
57:46
would allow somebody to have a voice like
57:48
that. I just thought that that's the best audio they've ever
57:50
heard. How are they gonna bet on that if they come
57:52
to? you keep telling yourself that.
57:54
On a slightly different note, I just wanna make one
57:56
other shout out to John Gallant on
57:58
Twitter who tweeted this
57:59
earlier to to basically say listen the podcast,
58:02
but also that He's been doing some runs for
58:04
charity for the British half foundation and prostate
58:06
cancer. He did the Great North run, and he completed the
58:08
Chicago marathon
58:11
Yesterday, he's doing the New York
58:13
marathon on the sixth of November. He said he listened
58:15
to the podcast for the last six miles
58:17
of of the marathon team to help
58:19
him get through. So just a huge shout out to him for that. As if
58:21
it wasn't enough, as
58:25
if there wasn't enough of a task yet, I listened to us
58:27
as well while he was doing it. Amazing.
58:30
Exactly. You just wanted to make sure you had
58:32
tears like like Vulcan just before
58:34
I get to the the the finish line. So you needed you needed crying
58:36
just thinking, I want this to stop, not the
58:38
marathon, just just us speaking to him. Absolutely.
58:42
Right? And let's wrap things up. Cheers Chris, Greg from
58:44
the day, and Cheers to Kevin Lawson for coming on
58:46
as well. Fantastic, insightful.
58:49
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