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Hey,

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this is DeRay. I'm going to Pod Save the People on this episode.

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It's me, Miles and Kaya talking about the

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news that you didn't hear about

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in the past week or that you didn't think about from

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a lens of race, justice and equity.

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And we are offline next week for the holidays,

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but we will be back.

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Here we go.

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Welcome, welcome family to another episode

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of Pod Save the People. My name is Kaya

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Henderson and you can find me on Twitter at HendersonKaya.

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My name is Miles E. Johnson. You can find me at

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PharoahRapture at Twitter, Instagram,

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threads, Black Planet, Live Journal,

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MySpace, Facebook. This

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is DeRay at DRAY on Twitter.

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So shout out to D'Ara

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who's not with us this week, but

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we'll see her next week. And

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I wanted to start out by

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getting your reactions to this clip

0:58

that DeRay posted in

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our group chat. It always goes down in the

1:02

group chat about

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The View. It's an episode from The

1:07

View where the ladies are

1:09

discussing a recent report around

1:12

why millennials are not having

1:14

children. And they all have some very interesting

1:17

perspectives. But

1:19

apparently Auntie Whoopie Dunn got the people all

1:21

riled up. And so DeRay,

1:23

you put this in the group chat. Talk about it.

1:27

Honestly, I think I want to hear Miles' comments

1:29

first. Miles

1:33

who said he saw it earlier in the week and it pissed

1:35

him off. Say more. Miles,

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lead us please. Well, hold

1:39

on. Hold on, because

1:44

I felt like y'all sending me over the mountain

1:46

first for Auntie Whoopie. Let

1:48

me give a little background.

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The report basically says, there's

1:53

a new report out from

1:55

Pew and somebody else that basically

1:58

says that millennials... There's

2:00

a lot of data that shows that the

2:03

US birth rate is the lowest that it's been and

2:06

that millennials are not having children.

2:08

And when asked why, some

2:11

of the reasons are things like the student debt

2:13

crisis, the economy, the housing

2:15

crisis, the fact that these folks are basically

2:18

not set up for economic

2:20

success and many of them feel like they

2:22

can't support a family.

2:25

And so they are choosing not to have children. They

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say that the economic climate has made

2:31

millennials feel like big life

2:33

milestones like buying a house and having a

2:35

family are out of reach for them.

2:38

So that's the background. And the ladies begin

2:40

to discuss this with different people having

2:42

different takes

2:43

on why this is the case.

2:47

Whoopi's takeaways. Whoopi's takeaways. Well,

2:50

okay, wait. Including,

2:56

before I go to Whoopi, including, you

2:58

know,

3:00

Farrah, is that the lady's name,

3:02

DeRay? Farrah Haynes, who we don't know. No,

3:04

no, not me. We all just Google Farrah. The

3:06

Farrah Alyssa somebody. Alyssa

3:08

Farrah, who is the former head of strategic communications

3:11

in the Trump White House. Meghan McCain understudied.

3:14

Who is making a

3:16

halfway

3:17

reasonable case for people

3:20

making an informed decision around

3:23

not having kids. And

3:25

she does not sound super crazy. Then

3:28

there's the Sarah Haynes lady who I never

3:30

heard of before, who says, I think

3:32

this is great because there are so many people

3:34

who basically shouldn't be having kids. What

3:36

about all the kids who get beaten and abused and

3:39

blah, blah, blah? I think it's great that people

3:41

are choosing not to have kids. And

3:44

that sounds crazy.

3:47

And then Auntie Whoopi comes on and says,

3:50

millennials, basically, she basically

3:52

says that millennials are lazy and

3:55

that they

3:57

cannot access

3:59

the economic.

3:59

economic benefits of

4:02

the American dream because they only

4:04

want to work four hours a week

4:06

and and

4:09

that in her generation people

4:11

just got it together and Worked

4:13

really hard and bought houses and had kids

4:15

and just do did the thing. Is that a fair?

4:18

Is that a fair recap

4:20

and there was this like flip it because

4:23

you always know it's tone You

4:25

always know it's tone. There was that flip it response

4:28

that Essentially, she says well millennial

4:30

wanted to work more than four hours a week Then

4:33

maybe they will be able to get a house with some kids too Which

4:36

kind of minimized the

4:38

millennial struggle and also

4:41

it just divorces how

4:44

generational conversation start there's

4:46

always a elder authoritative

4:49

generation who says you know

4:52

what all the problems that this generation inherited

4:54

is because of their

4:57

own self individual depravity

5:00

or Laziness, so this is the

5:03

true when people were saying the same thing about those

5:05

black pantses and those hippies This

5:08

is true when people were saying The

5:10

same things about this it's

5:12

literally just happens in every generation Just look look

5:14

at what was happening with rock and roll and

5:16

look at the generation before and see what they says So

5:19

it just hurts because

5:21

Whitby You

5:24

it's just in my head Whoopi had to have a conversation

5:26

with God right and she said and looked

5:28

in the mirror and said God and God

5:30

said hey Whoopi and whoopi

5:33

said hi back. I'm about to shave these eyebrows

5:35

off Give me some um

5:37

locks and God I need to ride

5:40

on your grace in order to be a star

5:42

And I'm also gonna talk about race. I'm gonna talk

5:45

Have a watch her one woman show every

5:47

year. It's one of the most brilliant performances

5:50

of a woman on stage She was in sister

5:52

acts. She's the one who let Lauren Hill

5:54

know she can sing when we were when Lauren

5:57

Hill's mean ass mama. Oh her she can't sing ain't no

5:59

money is thing. It was to the one who restore her magic.

6:01

So it hurts to see

6:04

that woman who's kind of the, she was clearly

6:06

in color purple. So

6:08

it hurts to see that kind of woman who

6:10

was just this embodied rebellion

6:13

say something so utterly conservative

6:16

and say something so utterly disconnected,

6:19

which proves that doesn't matter how

6:22

radical the roots might be. Enough

6:25

money and enough Barbara Walters sign checks. You

6:31

two might forget that you don't got no eyebrows

6:34

and you got locks. And if you were born in 1991, you'll

6:37

find it hard to work too. You'll

6:40

find it hard to work too. You

6:43

don't look like a good culture for we work.

6:46

You don't look like a good culture for any of these

6:48

things. You're right

6:51

with the we work. So

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it's just wild because I'm

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aware of a millennials of every generation

6:57

for mostly I'll speak for myself and so many other

7:00

people. We had to collage our legacies

7:02

in our career opportunities together. So my

7:04

career opportunities and my legacy

7:06

is collage over a whole bunch of underpaid,

7:09

under benefited jobs that I

7:11

maximize on in order to make my

7:15

way monetarily and also

7:17

to for my voice to be heard. And I know so

7:19

many people who are like that, who are doing art

7:22

in these gigs and these gigs and these gigs and then

7:24

also do entrepreneurship just so they can

7:26

leave a little footprint in their lifetime. So

7:29

for that to be reduced to us wanting four

7:31

hours a week jobs

7:33

and that's how we can't have families. Traditionally,

7:36

it's just so disrespectful

7:40

and so disconnected.

7:43

What you gotta say, Dora?

7:44

Miles, I'm just gonna plus one

7:47

the whole thing there. But I'll add

7:49

a few things that made me think of. One is that,

7:51

you

7:51

know, cause she really does do pull

7:53

yourself up by the bootstraps. If you just worked

7:56

hard enough, you would get it. Like we did

7:58

it too and y'all need to do it.

7:59

and every generation had a heart. That's

8:02

like her mantra. And I think about, I was

8:04

having a really good conversation with one of my friends this weekend

8:06

about the trauma that our parents

8:08

had. And I think about my father, somebody

8:11

who he, I wish he

8:13

had had a four day work week. I wish he had had

8:15

the like time to

8:17

do field trips and all that stuff when

8:19

we were kids. I wish that he had

8:21

had had grown up in a time where people

8:24

weren't, and my great grandparents, I wish that like

8:26

working until you die wasn't the way that

8:29

we told people that was success. Like that is

8:31

what we did to people. And I think that you see

8:33

that in the way that people were raised and like what

8:35

were we loved? Yes, but Lord

8:37

knows I came from a line of blood people who killed

8:39

themselves because they were told

8:42

that like to do work meant that you worked

8:44

this many hours a week and you stayed in one place, mind

8:47

you worst bosses they ever had. People

8:49

treated them like crap at the workplace every

8:51

day, but it was sort of just what work was. And

8:53

you're like, no, Whoopi, yes, people did do this

8:55

for a long time. That doesn't make it

8:57

right. It doesn't make it make sense. And all

8:59

of us have been managers of people at some

9:02

point. And I'll tell you managing people today is very

9:04

different than it was, you know, 20 years

9:06

ago for a lot of people that like, yeah,

9:09

I am listening to you when you complain about

9:11

the thing that I made an expectation about

9:13

because like we're in a workplace together. Nobody

9:15

was listening to my father when he was starting his career.

9:18

It was like, boy, go do the thing that we hired you to. So

9:20

that's like my kinder thing

9:22

I have to say about her. What

9:25

my heart said, as soon as I saw it was,

9:28

I'm reminded that the reason we like her

9:30

is that she performs the words and thoughts of other

9:32

people. And every

9:34

time I'm confronted with her words and thoughts, I'm

9:37

disappointed.

9:38

Let me read this.

9:40

When we get

9:43

to Ted Danson and her defense of

9:45

blackface, honey, this is where I was going. And

9:47

I quote, it takes a whole

9:50

lot of courage to come out in blackface. I

9:52

don't care if you don't like it, I

9:54

do. I will then

9:57

take you to Ray Rice's,

9:58

domestic abuse scandal.

10:02

Don't be surprised if you had a man, he hits you

10:04

back. I know I'm gonna catch a lot of hell and I don't care,

10:06

but you have to teach women, do not live with this

10:08

idea that men have this chivalry thing with them. Don't

10:11

assume that that is still in place.

10:13

See, like that, that. I will

10:15

bet.

10:15

See, like that.

10:17

See, like that. See, they didn't read the book.

10:19

Like what? Let me take you to

10:21

the Oscar so white controversy. See said,

10:24

this is not the academy. Even if

10:26

you feel the academy with black and Latino and Asian members,

10:29

if there's no one on screen to vote

10:31

for, you're not gonna get the outcome that you want. And

10:33

she ends with I've won once,

10:36

so it can't be that racist.

10:39

And then let's remember her historic

10:42

defense of Bill Cosby.

10:44

I bring all this up just

10:46

to say that I am reminded again

10:49

that why people love her is that she performed

10:52

the words and thoughts of other people, which

10:54

are way more progressive than her own. And when

10:56

she speaks, I'm continually disappointed.

10:59

And it has pushed me to remind myself that like

11:02

actors and performers are delivering

11:04

other people's words and other people's thoughts. And

11:06

Lord knows she's a case study for the disappointment

11:09

of someone's own.

11:10

Oh, Whoopi, I wasn't even gonna do it

11:12

to you. I was trying to keep

11:15

it. If it

11:17

didn't happen before 14 days, I

11:19

wasn't gonna bring it up. If this

11:21

episode is not titled the take down, take

11:24

down a Whoopi Goldberg, I don't know what it

11:26

is, but that was brilliant.

11:28

That was a brilliant deconstruction.

11:31

You know, what was so interesting to

11:33

me was, and I am probably

11:35

somewhere between Whoopi's generation

11:38

and y'all's generation, but what was

11:40

so interesting to me is that it provoked

11:42

so much emotion

11:44

from you all. And I was just, I mean, on the

11:47

one hand, I'm not a millennial,

11:49

but I made the choice to not have biological

11:52

children. And that's my business and I don't

11:54

really care what people think about that or why

11:57

or whatever, whatever. And so

11:59

there's a part of me. that's like, whoopie, you can think whatever you

12:01

want about these millennials making their own choices, but

12:04

we's free boss and we get to do whatever

12:06

we want to do. So who cares

12:08

what you think about them, whether you think they're

12:10

lazy or whether you think they're whatever, none of

12:12

your business, say number one. B number

12:15

two, I realized I was done with Whoopie

12:17

as a serious

12:20

influencer when the whole Ted Danson

12:22

thing happened because there

12:25

is just no way on my,

12:27

I've been brown my whole

12:29

entire life's earth

12:31

that there

12:33

would ever be a time where I thought that

12:35

bringing my white boyfriend to the club in

12:38

blackface, saying a whole bunch of N words

12:40

and eating from a watermelon tray and talking about our sex

12:42

life would ever be appropriate. So

12:44

at that point, there was a psychic break between

12:46

me and Whoopie Goldberg because there's no

12:49

way that I could ever understand

12:52

how she thinks. And so for me, this was Whoopie

12:54

just whooping and

12:56

me just moving on along, cause

12:59

whatever. But I do think Miles, that

13:02

this generational thing is, I

13:04

mean, I

13:05

think about how my girlfriends and I respond

13:08

to

13:09

what it means to manage millennials. It is

13:11

a completely different

13:13

ball game. And I think what

13:15

we have to recognize is the world of work

13:17

has changed, expectations

13:19

have changed. And like, we just got to roll

13:22

with it. This is how like humanness

13:25

works. Every generation feels

13:27

like the previous, the successive

13:29

generation isn't like them. And

13:31

they can't be because context

13:34

has changed significantly. So

13:36

yeah,

13:37

I mean, this has inspired

13:39

much more conversation than I ever thought, cause

13:42

I was like, Whoopie, whatever. But

13:44

here we are. Cause you can feel

13:46

it, you know, Auntie Kaya, you can feel it

13:49

because I'm like, I just came back

13:51

from the mountains. We all had to come together

13:54

as grownups and young people and pool

13:56

money and resources and cooking skills.

13:58

And this is what we're doing. what we've decided to

14:00

do with our partners, with other single

14:03

people, all, you know, this

14:05

is how we decided to do family and

14:07

we're making the best of it and we love it, but

14:09

it's also what we're making

14:11

this lemonade. And

14:13

for somebody to say, well,

14:16

you're just making that lemonade like that because

14:19

you're too lazy to go get it. No, there were

14:21

just no lemons. So we had to use this little

14:23

juice and we had to use this sweet and low and

14:26

now we're getting it together and it tastes

14:28

good, but don't make it seem like we didn't

14:31

get it because of that. And then again,

14:33

I believe in media symbolism.

14:36

There's a way that she kind of represents

14:38

the transgressive black

14:41

women for so many people because of the roles she decided

14:43

to pick. So a lot of people don't know about

14:45

the things that the Ray list did and

14:48

that you were all disgusting. But

14:50

there's, but there's, they're

14:53

finding those things out.

14:55

I mean, my, like you just

14:57

said it, right? You went to the Catskills, you did

14:59

family your way. And for

15:01

me, like that is what freedom really is.

15:04

Freedom is the ability

15:06

to live and be however you wanna

15:08

be. And the thing is, any time

15:10

you are living and being in a way

15:12

that is different from the status quo, you

15:15

know, people got something to say about it. Well,

15:17

that's just life. My grandmother used to say, when

15:20

people are not talking about you, that's when

15:21

you should be worried. I'll segue this into

15:23

my news, but I'm always reminded, especially people in

15:25

these big media platforms, that they are

15:28

often, unless they're talking about random

15:30

cultural things, they are often making

15:32

political statements, even if they don't understand

15:35

or care about the significance of the

15:37

power dynamic. And

15:40

it was wild to watch the view thing and

15:42

see Alyssa Farah, the former Trump woman,

15:45

making a pretty cogent defense

15:47

of millennials, right? Being like, you know, people

15:49

ain't got money, inflation's high, da, da, da. And

15:52

Whoopi's like, they always said that. And you're like, whew, not the

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16:45

is something happening in this moment where

16:48

people are, some people are disillusioned

16:51

with Biden, definitely young people. I think the

16:53

older black people I talked to are like, it is what it

16:55

is. But definitely some younger black

16:57

people are disappointed and certainly

17:00

organizers are. Now

17:03

I wanted to bring though what Trump

17:05

has said he is going to do if he is reelected.

17:08

He has said, and I'll just let, my news is just

17:10

to bring them here, is that he

17:12

is going to start rejecting asylum claims

17:14

from countries

17:18

using the change in the law that happened

17:20

with COVID-19. He will not use COVID-19

17:23

as the claim anymore. He will just claim

17:26

other infectious diseases are coming in from

17:28

migrants. He said that he is going

17:30

to deputize local police and

17:32

the National Guard troops to deal with immigration.

17:35

He is going to get over the restrictions

17:38

around ICE because he is just going to build huge concentration

17:41

camps. He is going to do

17:43

one of the biggest redirection of Pentagon

17:45

funds in American history to

17:47

redirect to deal with immigration. He

17:50

is, and I quote, going to build the largest domestic

17:52

deportation operation in American history. He

17:55

wants to redo a 1954 campaign. He

17:58

does not name the campaign, but the campaign. campaign was

18:00

called Operation Wetback, and

18:02

it was a campaign to expel Mexicans.

18:05

He wants to mimic that in this moment.

18:08

He also wants to end birthright citizenship

18:10

for undocumented parents. As you know, if you are

18:12

born in America, you become a citizen.

18:14

He does not want

18:16

the parents of kids

18:19

born from

18:21

some countries to become citizens, and then

18:23

he wants to revoke temporary protective status

18:25

of people from countries he deems unsafe.

18:29

These are all categorically bad things,

18:31

and they will be the worst

18:33

things for black and brown people. End

18:36

of story. That is just true.

18:39

There's something about the caricature of Trump

18:41

that people either don't take him seriously or don't think

18:43

about it. That's one thing. I want

18:45

to bring it here because we've got to contend with

18:47

that and figure out how we tell people that story. It's

18:50

juxtaposed by the arrogance

18:53

of the Democrats that are sort of like, well,

18:55

he's just so wild. They will have to choose

18:57

us. I actually think that made a

18:59

lot of sense 20 years ago. It made a lot of

19:01

sense 50 years ago. It worked. When there were

19:04

three stations, two

19:06

news programs, you really could just tell

19:08

one story, and it just is the story. It

19:12

worked. We live in a moment

19:14

where you just can't do that anymore.

19:16

I think the party has not realized

19:18

that he is the

19:21

wildest thing I've ever seen, doesn't cover it

19:23

up. He's not speaking in code. That

19:26

doesn't mean that people will just vote for the Democrats,

19:28

and the Democrats are playing in a world that

19:31

has changed. I am nervous about

19:33

that because they just don't realize there's not one

19:35

story. I think about Corinne, the

19:38

White House press secretary. I don't know that woman,

19:41

but her calling the people

19:43

who call for a ceasefire repugnant, the

19:45

black and brown congresspeople, she

19:48

will never, ever be a credible source to me

19:50

ever again. She just lost all of her credibility

19:53

in that moment by calling them repugnant. 20

19:57

years ago, I would have never seen that woman. I would have maybe

19:59

thought that clip on one news program.

20:02

I've seen that a lot now a lot because people are like,

20:04

is this the black woman they put out there to

20:06

call the black Congress people? That's,

20:09

and that's all I think that is literally who she

20:11

has become to me because I can't defend

20:13

that. That is wild to me. And I do,

20:16

I worry because he is, he sort

20:18

of played fast and loose when he ran the first time. It was like,

20:20

oh, he's not playing fast and loose. He's like,

20:23

I'm going to lock up my political opponents. I'm

20:25

going to do these things. And we

20:27

cannot have that again. And the Democrats

20:29

are just arrogant. I do think we should be

20:32

having a serious conversation about a nominee.

20:34

I ran across an article this week

20:36

that talks about this agenda 47,

20:41

which is Mr. Trump's policy platform,

20:44

and this project

20:46

where they are literally trying to

20:49

pre-screen and vet thousands

20:52

of foot soldiers to

20:54

join the Trump administration the

20:56

moment that he wins, who

20:58

are ideological purists. He feels

21:00

like he hired a bunch of regular

21:03

Republicans the last time and they put constraints

21:05

on him. And so they are literally

21:08

pre-screening. They have thousands of resumes

21:11

and they're pre-screening people. They want

21:13

up to 54,000 loyalists

21:17

to

21:17

come into the Trump administration

21:20

across

21:21

lots of different dimensions of government.

21:25

And literally they're asking these people

21:27

like, who's most influenced your political

21:29

philosophy? Name one living

21:32

public policy figure whom you greatly admire

21:34

and why. There's a ton

21:36

of attention being paid to these people, social

21:39

media histories, literally

21:42

anybody who, and you just

21:44

got to be an all out Trumper. And

21:47

their plan is to flood the government

21:49

with these

21:50

extreme people. And if

21:52

Trump doesn't get elected, they are all set

21:54

to

21:55

push this apparatus to Nikki

21:57

Haley or to Rhonda Santos or whoever the not

21:59

many is. And again,

22:02

it just goes to show, I mean,

22:05

they're using generative AI,

22:08

they've contracted with Oracle to help

22:10

them, you know, vet all of these resumes,

22:12

like, this thing is happening.

22:15

The Heritage Foundation is running it.

22:18

And like, once again, I feel like

22:20

the conservatives

22:24

are playing chess, and the Democrats are

22:26

playing checkers, to think about having

22:28

a legion of thousands of people

22:31

who all believe Trumpism

22:34

going into the government and literally breaking

22:37

government the way you described

22:39

array is hella

22:41

scary, and very,

22:42

very possible. And so I

22:46

thank you for bringing this to the pod because I feel like people

22:48

are in a fog, they do not realize

22:51

how serious these people are, how organized

22:53

these people are, and how many people are

22:55

ready to go into the government and pull

22:56

it apart. We got a sneak preview of it on

22:59

January the sixth, but it could be way

23:01

worse than that.

23:02

When I saw Biden's Veterans Day post

23:06

on Twitter, I kind of understood

23:08

even more deeply the disconnect. So

23:11

on the on the post that Biden

23:13

did, it's basically a

23:16

collage of all the

23:18

horrendous things that Trump

23:21

has said about the veterans. And

23:25

that was the Veterans Day post.

23:29

And to me, I would think

23:32

that we're learning that

23:34

being anti Trump hardly

23:37

helped us win when we were

23:39

fresh off our presidency. And now

23:42

doing that now that we're so many years

23:44

removed from that presidency is definitely

23:46

not going to help us win. And definitely

23:49

not going to help us on the left be unified.

23:51

And I don't describe myself as a cynical or

23:54

pessimistic person when it comes to the

23:57

political destiny of a man. or

24:00

the globe. I'm kind of like eternally

24:02

optimistic around those type of things. However,

24:05

I understand that there are

24:07

a lot of people who are cynical and that this, how

24:10

bad Trump is, is not it anymore.

24:13

And even when I think about it, I have a friend

24:16

Richard Berkshire, he founded something

24:18

called Black Veterans Project, got invited to the White

24:20

House. That was to me such an easy

24:23

way. Like obviously they're aware of him. He

24:25

got invited, somebody's aware of him. I was saying Biden themselves

24:28

was aware of him. That to me would have resonated

24:31

some doing something around black veterans for

24:33

that day and highlighting that that would

24:35

have resonated with the millennials. That would have resonated

24:37

with Gen Z. That would have resonated with

24:39

the people who are being activated.

24:41

And I think that's a broader statement about

24:43

how the Democrats are doing this all

24:46

in all. It can't be another anti Trump

24:49

movement. I don't necessarily understand

24:51

what

24:52

Democrats are

24:54

thinking. Like

24:57

I wish I knew I understood. I think we

24:59

focus so much on what Republicans

25:02

or Trumpers or whatever language you want

25:04

to put on them are thinking. And I'm

25:06

really curious, like what are Democrats thinking? Like what

25:09

do they think this is working? Are

25:12

they jumping ship? Are they panicking? I'm

25:15

so at loss of why did they think that

25:19

running the same campaign from 2020 was

25:22

going to happen again

25:26

or work again. So my

25:28

news is Kiki Palmer and

25:30

Darius Jackson. I'm going to

25:33

say Darius Jackson a lot

25:35

of times because I think when

25:37

patriarchal abuse happens,

25:40

we overuse the victim's

25:42

name and we underuse

25:46

the perpetrator's name. So Darius Jackson

25:50

has been accused by Kiki Palmer,

25:52

his ex partner of just heinous physical

25:55

abuse, including shoving her

25:57

breaking prescription glasses, choking

26:00

her threats to kill himself,

26:02

all types of bodily threats to her

26:04

physically, and then also to her psychically.

26:07

I think one of the reasons, because I always

26:10

play like, there's always a

26:12

Wendy Williams and a Malcolm X in my

26:15

head of why I bring

26:17

things to the podcast. And

26:19

this

26:20

is gossip,

26:22

but I wanted to bring this in because I think

26:24

we all love Kiki Palmer. And we've talked

26:26

about her for the last year so

26:29

many times because she's had moments like,

26:31

nope, she's had just the

26:33

best viral moments because

26:37

of Darius Jackson and not because of Darius Jackson.

26:40

And I wanted to bring

26:42

her in because we've seen her smile so much. We've

26:45

seen her be so comfortable. We've seen

26:47

her be the light in our day and

26:49

create products. And all the while she was being

26:51

abused. Her mother got

26:54

on camera and said that she talked to Darius Jackson's

26:56

brother a year ago about

26:58

the physical abuse. At least for that

27:00

year, this was something that was happening behind the scenes. And

27:02

of course we don't know, but goodness.

27:06

It is so, you can hear things theoretically,

27:08

like you don't know what somebody's going through or

27:12

the strong friend needs help or the strongest

27:15

woman can be going through the most heinous

27:17

of events you would never know. But literally

27:20

the strongest woman was going through the

27:22

most funny jovial jolly

27:26

woman was going through something so heinous.

27:28

And we only saw a crack towards

27:31

the end of it, towards that usher controversy

27:34

and how he responded. And it was really, he showed

27:36

us the crack, right? So it wasn't something that was

27:38

exposed. He was really well-hitted. He

27:41

actually had to work to be

27:43

found out as abusive because he could have just been

27:45

quiet and been quietly abusing her for even

27:48

longer. He did that. I

27:50

wanted to bring this to the podcast and get y'all's

27:53

opinion on this obviously

27:55

very viral topic that's been

27:57

going around the internet, not just because it's... sensational

28:00

because of celebrity involved, but also

28:03

just you all as black people, Auntie

28:05

Kaya as a black woman, I

28:07

think we're always asked to show

28:09

up as our most excellent

28:11

selves, as our most jovial selves,

28:14

and things crumble in the background. So

28:17

I just thought there was no more interesting people

28:19

to ask around what

28:21

they felt about this and the dynamic

28:24

of performing something in public while

28:26

suffering private and how has that tension

28:29

affected you all's personal life too. So I didn't want

28:31

to keep it in the Wendy Williams gossip

28:33

place. I wanted to make it a Super Soul

28:35

Sunday moment by

28:40

redirecting the conversation to our own personal

28:43

vulnerable moments.

28:45

I will say, you know, it was

28:48

the team of people around her, it is clear

28:50

that there's a little bit of the Beyonce playbook

28:53

that people are like, Beyonce is like, there's one

28:55

narrative in it, it's mine. And you're like, I

28:57

got it. It makes sense. And

28:59

I was so sad that she had to

29:01

release those images. Like

29:03

that made me really sad that she had to

29:05

and I can see the thought process from our team,

29:08

because it happened immediately. People were like,

29:11

didn't happen. Why was she with them so long?

29:13

Why would you have kids or somebody who beat you that

29:15

like that was immediately what happened.

29:18

And then the pictures come out and everybody's like,

29:20

Oh, she wasn't lying. And you're like, wow,

29:23

that is clockwork. Like,

29:26

the first thing people said is but Kiki gave

29:28

that interview talking about how they met. Kiki

29:31

said this about them. Kiki has the pictures of

29:33

the baby and they laugh and a joke and and that.

29:35

And and so like

29:38

that was the pictures made me I was like,

29:40

I this sucks for you Kiki and

29:42

to have to prove to people

29:44

on the front end that

29:46

this is even real that you didn't just make this

29:49

up is so disappointing. So there's that.

29:52

The second thing is, you know,

29:55

Darius,

29:56

I was I'm never

29:58

shocked by men because Lord knows

30:01

people do all types of things. So

30:04

Darius made a post that

30:07

has him in it, the baby, and it ends

30:10

with this image of Homelander from The Boys.

30:12

Now I have a lot of critiques about Homelander. I don't actually

30:14

love Homelander, and I think that The Boys is actually

30:17

like a, I think The Boys is a

30:19

not great show around recent justice. It is

30:21

an entertaining show, but that is another episode. But

30:24

if you've seen The Boys, him stitching

30:26

himself into an image of Homelander is, it

30:29

is so beyond nuts that

30:31

I don't even know what to say, because in The

30:34

Boys, Homelander does have a kid

30:36

who has the same powers as him, and it's a big deal,

30:38

because he

30:38

has a kid with a

30:41

mortal.

30:42

But he has a kid because he rapes her. So

30:45

he rapes the baby's mother, and

30:47

essentially threatens to kill her if

30:50

she doesn't exist

30:52

in this random place with the little boy. So

30:55

Homelander goes and sees the boy often, and

30:57

eventually takes the boy from the

31:00

mom. Like that's, that

31:02

whole, that storyline is central to

31:04

who Homelander is, because the boy is sort of the

31:06

only thing that makes him a mildly

31:09

caring, it's like he's 99% evil or bad or awful, and

31:13

then this 1% is he sort of likes the

31:15

boy. But even his love of the boy, he like pushes him too hard,

31:18

and the boy's not gonna, whatever. But

31:20

the relationship between Homelander and the baby's mother

31:23

is rape. That is, it's like the central storyline

31:26

of the child's existence is that he

31:28

rapes her, and she knows

31:31

it's rape. It's not like she is like, this is wrong,

31:33

this is bad, but I love my son. So

31:35

she's trying to figure out what to do, and he's Homelander.

31:37

So he's like one of the most powerful people in the universe, so

31:39

she can't just like hide, and she does try

31:42

to hide, and he has supersonic hair. But

31:44

for him to stitch himself

31:47

into an image of Homelander, I'm like, I mean

31:49

that is,

31:50

the lawyers are having a field day

31:52

with that one, and if I've never seen somebody

31:54

tell on themselves, I don't know what is. So

31:56

I'll just stop there, but the Homelander thing got

31:58

me as like.

32:00

I didn't doubt her before and

32:02

I believed her. But

32:05

now I believe you because you just

32:07

told on yourself too. You know, one of the

32:09

reasons that I love being on this podcast

32:11

is I learn new things all the time. No

32:14

idea who Homelander or

32:16

the boys or anything about that

32:18

is, so I'll have to look that up. But

32:22

I mean, one, this,

32:23

you know, my first reaction

32:26

was here

32:29

we go again, right? And I think

32:31

that, you know, when I think about

32:34

black women celebrities and domestic

32:36

abuse, you know, there

32:39

are tons, the most recent sort of

32:41

the ones that popped to mind quickest for me

32:43

are Rihanna,

32:43

Megan Thee Stallion and

32:46

now

32:46

Kiki. And what

32:49

I

32:50

will say is I'm thankful

32:52

that,

32:54

I mean, we don't know how long this has

32:56

been going on,

32:58

but she

33:01

was like clear. He

33:03

did this, he has the evidence, da

33:05

da da. And

33:08

I, you know, I guess like

33:10

my one sort of hope is that as

33:14

we learn about these things

33:16

that women will understand that they have

33:18

a choice, that they

33:19

have options like

33:21

domestic abuses, horrible,

33:24

terrible.

33:25

You know, Miles, you asked about our personal experiences.

33:28

Thankfully, this hasn't been my experience.

33:31

And so I can't really speak to, you

33:33

know, how people respond. And I think everybody

33:35

gets to respond in whatever way makes sense for

33:38

them. But we love Kiki, she's like

33:40

our little sister. We watched her grow

33:41

up and we all want what's best for

33:44

her. And I think that's

33:45

what you see in the public response

33:47

finally, or I think there's more, there's

33:50

been more of a public response that is positive

33:52

and supportive of her.

33:54

You know, even I think about how

33:56

Meg was treated when, I mean, the dude shot

33:58

her in the toe. And

34:01

it also makes me think a lot about the

34:03

power dynamics between women

34:05

and men, especially when women are,

34:07

are when their careers are further along

34:09

or when they make more money, that

34:12

that

34:12

oftentimes seems to be a

34:15

real indicator of a potential

34:18

problem in relationships that escalate

34:21

sometimes. And so I

34:23

don't know, it's just so sad

34:25

to me that like these poor

34:28

women who have beat the odds,

34:31

are talented, have done all of the things,

34:33

you know, are, are, I

34:36

mean, nobody should actually

34:37

have to face this, but

34:40

it just makes me sad. It makes me want to hug my

34:42

little sisters and make sure that they're

34:44

okay. And I think we have to, as

34:46

a black community, collectively hug Kiki

34:48

and let her know you're doing the right thing and send

34:51

the same message. My hope is that other young

34:54

ladies watching this understand that this is not

34:56

how they're supposed to be treated.

34:59

And I'll say, you know, I actually took Miles's

35:02

question to me, you guys, to

35:04

be what, how do you negotiate

35:06

the, the public

35:08

life when, when things don't go well,

35:11

right? Like, like not necessarily as much as I was. And

35:13

I do think you probably, I'd be interested, I want to know

35:15

what your answer to that is. I will say I remember,

35:17

I mean, so many things, we're learning those people are mad

35:20

at me and I just didn't say anything

35:22

or like, just let it go. But

35:24

there are times I'm like, you know, if I

35:26

talk about it, then I'll have to talk about it forever.

35:29

That's what it feels like. If I address this thing in

35:31

a public forum, it will create

35:33

a public record of it and then people will feel like

35:35

they can ask me about it for the next 3000 years.

35:38

And I just cannot, there are some things

35:40

I'm like, I can't do it. And then there are other

35:43

things when not talking about it means that

35:45

I'll have to talk about it for the next thousand years and on somebody

35:47

else's terms. And that is sort of

35:49

like, when I'm trying

35:51

to negotiate what I think about, like I even think

35:54

about, you know, think about people's

35:56

frustration with Teach for America. I will never forget. I

35:58

was at a panel like in. and these activists

36:00

literally, they

36:04

asked me some questions on the panel and I give the

36:06

normal answer, which is like, hey, did you teach? I'm

36:09

always interested in the way people talk about classrooms

36:11

who've never been in them, but anyway. And

36:13

then afterwards, they literally come

36:15

up, put the camera in my face and

36:18

they're like, you needed to do that. I'm being

36:20

heckled by black activists

36:23

about teaching from America, I'm like, this is what I want to be. I

36:25

don't work for teacher America, I've never worked for, this

36:28

whole thing, but I remember like, am I

36:30

gonna say anything? And I didn't in the end, but like I was

36:32

heckled, or somebody, this is way before the

36:34

current situation in Gaza, this

36:37

like reporter for like

36:39

Breitbart chased me at the DNC

36:42

and was like, what is your statement

36:44

on Palestine? And I'm like, not you running,

36:46

like you're like running me down trying to get me to say something.

36:49

So I just say no comment, cause he's driving

36:51

me nuts.

36:52

Then no comment goes viral.

36:54

I get activists who I was with in Ferguson

36:57

being like, I can't believe you won't stand with the

36:59

Palestinian people. And I figure like, this man

37:01

is literally running me down,

37:03

trying to like force me to, I'm not doing

37:05

it as terrors, but then now I'm having to explain

37:08

all this stuff. And it just is a really

37:10

crazy thing that sometimes like, what

37:12

people expect and demand from you is really wild.

37:14

That's why I have a lot of sympathy for Kiki, not only as

37:17

a victim, but it sucks

37:19

to be the victim and have to do all this work

37:21

to like anticipate the public

37:23

response and get in front of it is just

37:26

awful.

37:28

Yeah, I, thanks for bringing

37:30

that dimension to it, Dore. I think people

37:32

have no idea what

37:35

living life in the public really feels

37:37

like. And, you know,

37:40

my public life pale,

37:42

I wasn't a celebrity, right? I was a local school

37:45

superintendent, but the way-

37:48

Celebrity, she was my favorite. She was

37:50

a young superintendent. My sister,

37:52

and I was just saying, my sister called me about kind

37:54

of like, she is who made me believe that

37:57

I could be a school leader cause I saw somebody

37:59

young. in black and office

38:02

and Kai was there for 10 years y'all she was

38:04

the cool because a lot of times you don't really want

38:06

to be like them you just like them but we wanted

38:08

to be like Kai we were like that's a young

38:10

girl over there.

38:12

I still want to be like Auncea Kai.

38:15

Thank you but I mean I will

38:17

say and I loved that job

38:19

and

38:20

we did great work but the worst

38:22

part of it the best and the worst part of it

38:24

was the public part because

38:26

you people think that

38:29

they own you and that they have

38:31

access to your life and you're doing

38:33

a job and you're still a person and there

38:36

were so many times where people would

38:38

come at me and you know

38:40

one it requires you to have a lot of empathy

38:43

in that role because like people are not

38:45

really thinking when they come at

38:47

you but

38:50

it also you're like aren't I a person like

38:52

I'm a person I get to decide

38:54

what parts of me you consume

38:57

and what parts of me you don't consume and

38:59

people don't believe that people think

39:02

that because you are a celebrity

39:04

or you know you have this public life

39:07

that that means that you belong to people

39:09

wholly and you know

39:11

Kiki clearly held

39:13

back what part she wanted to hold

39:15

back and that's her business that's how she

39:18

you know you don't you nobody has gets

39:21

access to everybody to anybody

39:23

in this way and I think

39:26

we've got to remember that these are people

39:28

yes they're entertainers but these are people

39:31

and politicians same thing you

39:33

just don't get to comment

39:36

on or have access to these people in this

39:38

way and I think you know there

39:40

are people who will say well then they shouldn't

39:43

be celebrities not true not true

39:45

because you are a great actress or a great game

39:47

shows or great whatever you

39:49

should not have to give up your whole entire personal

39:51

life in order to do that job and so

39:54

we have to you know I think clearly social

39:56

media has warped our

39:59

thinking

39:59

that.

40:02

But I do think that this

40:05

whole moment of where we are in

40:07

the world calls

40:07

us back to our humanity

40:10

and I think we have to extend

40:13

Kiki that and and everybody else

40:15

around the place. Everybody gets to live

40:17

their lives the way they want to. We get

40:19

to comment on some of it but not much and they

40:21

get to decide.

40:22

Don't go anywhere. More people.

40:41

My

40:41

news this week is about

40:44

artificial intelligence.

40:45

In fact last week

40:47

according to CNN was

40:49

the most significant week for artificial

40:51

intelligence since the launch of chat GPT

40:54

last year.

40:54

And I brought this

40:56

to the podcast because I

40:58

feel like

41:02

people are not paying attention.

41:04

Some people are not paying attention

41:06

to what's happening in the AI

41:08

world and

41:11

I can talk a little bit more about that later.

41:13

But the

41:15

announcements that were made last week

41:19

are indicative of the speed that

41:21

the AI market is moving at. Like literally

41:23

last year chat GPT burst

41:25

on the scene. A zillion people were using

41:27

it in 15 minutes and

41:29

like a year later all of these different

41:32

iterations improvements enhancements

41:33

have been happening and

41:36

if you're not paying attention you will get left

41:38

behind. So a couple

41:40

of things that happened last week.

41:42

OpenAI which is one of the largest

41:44

producers of of artificial

41:47

intelligence had their first developers

41:49

conference and at this developers

41:51

conference

41:52

they did a bunch of things. They announced

41:54

new updates to AI tools. They

41:57

announced a the ability

41:59

to create

41:59

create custom versions of chat

42:02

GPT called GPTs. And

42:04

anybody can create their own GPT,

42:08

whether you have coding experience or not,

42:11

which is going to make accessibility

42:13

super wide for

42:16

generative AI. They announced a GPT

42:18

store, much like the App Store, where

42:21

you can create a GPT for

42:23

education or a GPT for productivity

42:26

or lots of different GPTs based on whatever

42:28

you do. And the GPT

42:30

store will allow anybody

42:32

to search the different GPTs that are available,

42:35

that people have created, and have access

42:38

to them. So it

42:40

means that loads more people will have

42:42

access to these tools

42:44

and technologies, not just what the

42:47

big AI producers are creating,

42:49

but what any developer is creating. They

42:53

also announced at this

42:54

conference, GPT for Turbo, which

42:56

is the latest version of chat GPT, which basically

42:58

does 16 times more

43:01

work than the previous

43:03

version. And this is literally,

43:05

I mean, chat GPT for was released

43:07

in April. This is now November.

43:10

And the tool does 16 times

43:13

more work than the tool that was released

43:15

in April.

43:19

That all happened at one conference.

43:22

Also, right after that

43:24

conference, there was a targeted attack. So two days

43:26

after the conference, the developers conference, OpenAI

43:31

experienced large scale outages when

43:33

somebody attacked their servers. So

43:35

this is ground zero

43:38

for the tech wars and what's

43:40

happening. And GPT

43:42

went down for the first time. And that was

43:44

a huge thing for anybody who uses this. Also

43:47

last week, HumaneAI released

43:50

their pin product,

43:52

which is the first AI wearable device.

43:54

It attaches to your clothing and it

43:56

projects

43:57

the information onto your

43:59

hand.

43:59

So you can answer calls and

44:02

emails and all kinds of stuff

44:04

without holding a smartphone Friends

44:08

and in fact a human AI's

44:10

pin goes on sale November

44:12

16th for six hundred and ninety nine

44:14

dollars Like this stuff is not in the

44:17

future. This stuff is next week.

44:19

You can get this thing and start projecting

44:21

stuff onto your hand And

44:23

then there's your boy Elon Musk

44:26

who runs

44:29

X AI X

44:31

AI they are working on a chat

44:33

bot called

44:35

grok

44:36

Where does this man get the like his nomenclature

44:39

is so wack like I'm

44:41

not hashtag friend Like my friends are like what's the

44:43

hashtag for this weekend call me Elon I can

44:45

help you it better branding for

44:48

this stuff, but if this thing is called grok and

44:51

It is a chat box that

44:53

will be included in X

44:56

or Twitter's premium plus paid

44:58

service in the United States And the

45:00

chat box has a sarcastic

45:02

sense of humor similar to Elon

45:05

Musk's because we need that in our lives anyway

45:07

Coming soon on the AI front

45:10

are things like Amazon's

45:12

Olympus. Apparently they're pouring zillions

45:15

of dollars into a Olympus,

45:17

which is projected to

45:19

be smarter than chat GPT

45:21

for YouTube is

45:23

testing

45:24

AI tools to improve its products

45:26

and services And what's happening

45:29

is you know, basically everybody

45:31

is using this technology to enhance

45:36

and enrich what they do and I

45:39

brought this to the podcast because you know

45:41

I think about it

45:43

in our work at Reconstruction for those

45:45

people who don't know we teach African American history and culture

45:48

online to young people boom quick

45:50

easy simple

45:51

But you know, we also are

45:53

using generative AI

45:54

to help teachers create more

45:56

culturally responsive lesson plans and part

45:59

of the reason why we did that was because

46:03

we see white teachers, what teachers in

46:05

wealthy white areas already

46:07

incorporating chat GPT into how

46:09

they teach into the assignments that

46:11

their kids are getting. And in

46:14

in communities where teachers

46:16

are teaching low income students

46:18

and low income students of color, teachers

46:20

are wary about generative

46:23

AI, they don't know what's out there, our communities

46:26

are very distrustful. And

46:28

my real worry is that this stuff is

46:30

happening at the speed of light, it's not being

46:32

designed for us, it's not being designed

46:35

with us. And if we're not in here,

46:37

engaged in what is happening, we

46:40

will once again be left behind on this

46:42

technological frontier. And so I

46:45

brought this one to just

46:47

say here's what's happening, but to

46:50

to remind us that, you know,

46:52

as scary as this stuff might seem, it's

46:54

happening. And we need to get in here, we need to know

46:56

about this stuff. And we need

46:59

to make sure that our kids

47:01

are,

47:02

are primed to pick

47:04

this stuff up. I'll say one more thing. I was in

47:07

Phoenix this past week. And

47:10

I went to this AR

47:12

VR lab called dreamscape learn,

47:15

where they basically harness the power

47:17

of movie making and virtual reality and artificial

47:19

reality to

47:20

create to change how

47:22

you teach college classes.

47:24

And so, and it

47:26

was honestly, like the most mind blowing thing

47:28

that I've seen in a long time. And, you

47:32

know, I asked the people, I was like, so

47:34

let's talk about

47:34

diversity. Do you have diverse coders

47:37

and designers, our kids able to

47:39

see themselves in their communities and, and

47:43

that is a live conversation

47:46

for lots of people. And so we can't

47:48

be afraid of this technology, we've got to

47:50

know, keep abreast of what's happening. And

47:52

we've got to lean in on this so

47:55

that we are not left behind, x out,

47:58

whatever.

48:00

I had a little question and I

48:03

know if I have a little question that maybe probably

48:05

listeners do too. So is

48:07

there, can you like tell

48:09

us the difference between the chat

48:11

being on top of the GPT?

48:14

What is the difference between chat

48:16

GPT and GPT? Yeah so

48:20

chat GPT basically

48:22

you ask it a question, it scours

48:24

the

48:24

whole entire internet and

48:27

it comes up with an answer right?

48:30

And sometimes that's great, sometimes it's

48:32

horrible. You've heard all about hallucinations

48:34

and wrong information or racism

48:37

or whatever whatever but most times

48:39

it gives

48:39

you a fairly decent answer. In

48:43

many things it gives you a superior answer

48:45

to what people are

48:49

doing, what people might otherwise

48:51

do. A GPT is basically

48:53

a closed system so

48:56

it wouldn't be pulling from the whole entire

48:58

internet, it might

48:59

just pull from your

49:01

particular

49:02

database. So if YouTube

49:05

is working on it you might not want

49:07

it to go to YouTube might not want it to go to the whole

49:09

internet, YouTube might want it to pull answer

49:12

questions just from the YouTube

49:14

catalog right? And so

49:16

that is that would be a YouTube

49:18

GPT right?

49:21

So this is just the ability

49:23

to determine what

49:26

you load in where your information comes from

49:28

as opposed to the whole kit and

49:30

caboodle.

49:33

It

49:33

makes a lot of sense, thank you Dr. Asikaya.

49:40

So there are two parts of this. One is

49:42

that I do wish there was like a crash

49:45

course that I could take on the GPT

49:47

because I'm not watching a long YouTube

49:49

video and my friends who

49:52

like it are so excited about it that they're not good

49:54

teachers right? Like so there's

49:56

that whole piece. So that's one.

49:59

The second is that I just, you know,

50:01

I feel like an old man in this part where I'm

50:03

like, I don't have the bandwidth to learn

50:06

one more thing yet. Like I'm sort of like out of it.

50:08

I'm like, I get it. I see it. And

50:10

I'm at the point where I'm like, I think this should be used for

50:13

entertainment. Like I'm not, I'm not sure it should

50:15

be used for anything real. So if you need a quick

50:17

synopsis, cool. If you need

50:19

to make a little image, cool. I

50:21

don't want it making decisions about things.

50:24

I don't, I just, and maybe that's because I need to learn more,

50:26

but I'm like, I'm still nervous. It's

50:28

just cause I've seen the movie. I

50:29

just play.

50:31

This was made in the most inequitable way

50:33

by people who think they are smarter than everybody

50:36

and technology is going to save their life. That is their

50:38

ethos. And I am certain

50:40

that they have not thought about the way

50:42

this can be used for bad very

50:44

quickly.

50:47

And then we'll be reading the book about AI killed

50:49

all these people. We're like, how did that happen? I'm like, I know that

50:51

happened already. So I don't know. It makes me nervous.

50:54

As interested in it as I am,

50:56

I am more nervous and interested. So

50:59

you, I think that is a totally

51:02

like reasonable place to be. Um,

51:05

the reason why I would push a

51:08

little bit on this is like,

51:10

think about the internet, right? Like

51:12

the internet was going

51:14

to do all kinds of

51:16

things, right? People were very worried

51:18

about what the internet would be. And

51:20

the internet has tons of really bad uses,

51:23

right? We saw election interference

51:25

and all kinds of things. And

51:28

at the same time, the internet has been ubiquitous,

51:30

has become ubiquitous in how we live our lives.

51:33

Everybody uses the internet, right? And

51:36

my guess is that that is what's going to

51:38

happen with this generative AI stuff. People

51:41

do know what is like,

51:43

how it could be used for bad. Um,

51:45

it did come about in all of the ways. And in fact, some

51:48

of the people who created it are like, oh my God,

51:50

here's how it can be used for bad, right? We

51:52

covered that on the podcast a little while

51:54

ago to the Godfather of AI was

51:56

like war machines. Like that is

51:58

what is going to happen.

51:59

to be terrible, blah, blah, and a few other things. And

52:03

at the same time, the train is not

52:05

going to stop. So us

52:08

being wary just

52:11

means that we continue to be out of the conversation.

52:14

And that, to me, is scarier

52:16

because I'll just share

52:19

our experience in working with this.

52:21

We were like, can this help

52:23

us create curriculum more quickly? And

52:25

so we started prompting it and asking

52:27

it the questions to see if it could get the

52:30

quality of lessons that we as

52:32

black human beings create. And

52:34

our lessons are really good and nuanced

52:36

and come from an asset-based perspective

52:38

and have a pedagogical outlook.

52:41

I'm saying all of these education needs terms to

52:43

say, we got some good stuff. And

52:46

it is professional and it's thoughtful

52:48

and all of this, whatnot. And of course,

52:50

chat GPT could

52:52

not create what we've created. But

52:55

we started trying to train it to get as close

52:57

to what we created as possible. And then

52:59

what we realized is it is not going to

53:01

do that because it pulls from all

53:03

of this junk out in the world. And it

53:06

pulls wrong things and whatnot.

53:08

And so then the question is, can you build

53:10

something that will, when it pulls

53:13

out wrong things, you get it to spit

53:15

it out because there's a check or a balance. Can

53:17

you get it to never give you a classroom

53:22

exercise that says, divide your

53:24

students into masters and slaves?

53:28

Because that's what chat GPT will give you. Or

53:30

chat GPT, when you ask for great leaders

53:36

in African history, one of the things that

53:38

comes up is EDI meaning. You're like, say what now? And

53:41

so the challenge for

53:43

us, and I'm not a technologist, is could we

53:45

train a GPT

53:48

miles to kick

53:50

out those things to really

53:53

think the way we think. And

53:56

we've created a tool that helps teachers

53:59

add African-Americans.

53:59

American history and culture to

54:02

their lessons, that is really good

54:04

and nuanced and is almost as

54:07

good as what we would create ourselves. It

54:09

took a lot to do that. And if we

54:12

could do that, and I'm telling you, we're not technologists,

54:14

we're educators, other people can

54:16

figure out how to do this. I do think

54:19

that a lot of the

54:20

noise, like this thing is getting better,

54:23

like every 10 minutes. And

54:25

so the initial noise that we're

54:27

worried about in three months or six

54:29

months is not, there'll be a whole different set of problems.

54:32

And so I'm simply saying, these

54:35

people are going to fix the initial

54:37

problems, but if we are not in the conversation

54:40

saying what the next problems are going to be

54:42

or what we're seeing, then we

54:45

are going to be left behind.

54:48

So

54:49

I, listen, I'm 53 years old. I

54:53

am the least likely person

54:56

to adopt new technology, but

54:59

I watched what happens in education

55:02

when people of color are

55:04

not in the room designing things. And when

55:06

we're not trying these things out to see whether it works

55:08

for us and with us. And

55:10

I just decided we're not going to be left behind.

55:13

Let's go around. Auntie Kai is going

55:14

to be part of this conversation, baby. Okay.

55:18

And to your point, Auntie

55:20

Kai, that is

55:23

here. And I know there's like medical

55:25

fields that are like using these things we

55:27

already kind of like made fun of, but also

55:30

acknowledge that there are like legal

55:32

people who are people who are

55:34

in law, legal people, people who

55:36

practice law using the

55:39

GPT and AI technology. So

55:41

it really is integrating. And I think we're

55:43

in the very awkward, uncomfortable

55:45

part of something integrating with you. But by

55:47

the time the technology is able to be projected on

55:49

your palm, the integration has really settled in.

55:53

Next week, next week. Right. So

55:56

by the time it's under to get that technology, by the

55:58

time it kind of leans under. $500,000 the

56:01

access point to that is different because I just

56:03

paid for my headphones that were

56:05

six You know that were $600 from Apple.

56:08

So the price of entry is

56:10

just is way lower So

56:12

it will get lower. It'll get even

56:14

lower, right? Yes, and it is something

56:17

to think about because to Antica

56:19

is just really sharp point the

56:21

internet. We're still discovering the ways

56:24

the internet is Influencing

56:26

us there's always new studies about how

56:29

social media is doing things that we didn't expect

56:31

for it to do Work to do and we also

56:33

understand that there's a whole thing that we call the dark

56:35

internet where the most heinous

56:38

of things are being sold traded

56:40

talked about planned and That

56:44

will be happening with AI in the last that

56:46

you I'm trying to scare nobody But

56:48

if you think that the how to Google

56:51

to how to do a domestic terrorist

56:53

attack I hate to say pipeline but

56:56

no pun intended but pipeline. That's very

56:58

real that the the

57:01

the AI to Terrorist

57:04

hateful things is very real too. So if

57:06

not for anything else It's it to

57:08

me is valuable to engage with even if

57:10

you don't want it in the daily ness of your life It's

57:13

just good to know where

57:16

Where the world's going you remind me of what you brought up

57:18

with Darius Jackson the Homelander and

57:21

how so much of that internet

57:23

masculine culture is founded

57:26

on Interpretations of

57:28

comic books and in an

57:30

amaze and stuff like that. So it's just good to know

57:33

What's going on? Just if so

57:36

you can just intelligently say I ain't doing that

57:43

Tell

57:45

your friends to check it out and make sure you read

57:47

it wherever you get your podcast So the topic by

57:49

castor somewhere else and we'll see you

57:51

next week to

58:00

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