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2:42

right, y'all, you know we're doing election

2:44

coverage, even if it's

2:48

just top lines. So one

2:51

of the things that I did want to

2:53

spend some time on is that Joe Biden

2:55

won his first official primary

2:58

election in South Carolina. Turnout,

3:03

though, wasn't great. It was,

3:05

I think it was 20% lower than it was in 2020. Obviously,

3:12

the primary looked a little bit different in 2020. It

3:15

was a primary contest. I think

3:17

most folks know that Joe Biden is

3:19

going to be our nominee.

3:23

But just interesting, and I think what

3:25

also was interesting was all of the coverage

3:27

of Biden and

3:29

the vice president in South Carolina. I

3:31

feel like we had perhaps

3:35

years of

3:38

this administration feeling a little bit absent when

3:40

it comes to actual engaging Black

3:42

folks in a meaningful way and where they

3:44

are. And the

3:46

lead up to this primary contest, it seemed

3:48

like Biden and the VP

3:51

were in South Carolina quite a

3:53

bit. So interesting,

3:55

though, it's

3:58

going to be interesting to see what the polling looks like. like

4:00

now post this contest and post Biden

4:02

and he's spending so much time in

4:04

South Carolina. Something

4:07

else that we were

4:09

talking about before we got on

4:11

was Tremaine Lee, who

4:14

is a correspondent and an author and

4:16

a writer, great deal of respect for

4:18

Tremaine, but he is doing

4:20

a series on MSNBC about black men

4:23

and voting and where

4:26

straight black men, it seems, are

4:30

leading. So I think that was interesting.

4:32

Doree, you saw that, right? You

4:34

know, what was interesting about it is that, it

4:39

reminds me of what happens when we

4:42

haven't nailed the storytelling because some

4:45

of the black men, the quote is literally,

4:48

under Biden we're broke, under Trump we

4:50

have money and it's like the

4:52

pandemic funds that people got really have

4:55

warped people's sense of what Trump did.

4:58

Trump did so much stuff that was ridiculous

5:00

and wild. He didn't want to give people

5:02

the funds that they did get. The

5:05

Dems, anything that good happened in that

5:08

moment politically, the Dems actually pushed through.

5:11

And if you remember, I'll never forget there being,

5:14

the post office having a plan to mail

5:16

every single person in the country masks and

5:18

Trump saying no, because he didn't want to make people nervous.

5:21

I mean, there was so

5:23

much that happened, but because people did get

5:26

some money, again, that the Dems helped make happen,

5:30

people are crediting Trump with that. And I am, I

5:33

think I've been surprised at how effective that

5:35

messaging has been. You know, the

5:38

real sign of the MSNBC interview being, you

5:40

know, not as helpful as it could have

5:42

been, is that Fox is actually running it.

5:44

So Fox is running those clips. They are

5:47

promoting that in those conversations with black men.

5:50

And the only solace is that there are other

5:52

reports saying that people are wildly blowing out of

5:55

proportion from any black men who actually vote for

5:57

Trump, not only because there are a lot of

5:59

black men. to don't vote at all, and

6:01

that the media hype around it and

6:04

the Republican hype around it is just

6:06

overblown. I think it's something

6:08

to think about. I do think it's something

6:10

to think about as far as black men

6:12

and in conservatism. And I think that,

6:17

you know, there are certain people who are taking it

6:19

seriously, you know, the Republicans.

6:21

And I think that no

6:24

matter if the numbers are gouged

6:27

or over-exaggerated, I think to

6:30

me the numbers actually matter less

6:32

than the branding does, if

6:34

that makes sense. I think

6:37

the Republicans are seeming like

6:39

a safe space for black

6:41

men conversations, for conversations around

6:43

black fatherhood, conversations around things

6:46

that matter to black people, or

6:49

something for a

6:51

group of people who neo-Nazis also

6:54

identify with, to also

6:56

be able to be rebranded as a

6:58

place where black men are centered

7:00

or cared

7:02

about. That to me is like

7:04

a weird and dangerous blurring of

7:07

cultural lines, even if the numbers

7:09

don't necessarily represent that come election

7:11

there. First of all,

7:13

I think it's early, right? It's

7:16

too early to tell anything. But

7:18

I do think that this storytelling

7:20

and narrative piece is really important

7:23

because if this continues

7:25

to gain traction, like people will continue

7:27

to believe it and it will become

7:29

self-fulfilling. And so where

7:31

is the counter narrative? Like where are

7:34

the black pastors who

7:36

will come out and say, no, no,

7:38

this is what our community is telling

7:40

us. So where are black activists and

7:42

black leaders? Where's the NAACP

7:45

and the Urban League? Okay, maybe I'm asking rhetorical

7:47

questions. I don't know. But where

7:49

is the counter narrative? There

7:51

are lots of black men who are

7:54

supporting Biden and the Democrats.

7:56

There are lots of black people who understand that

7:58

Trump is not for us. And

8:00

one like we need to figure

8:02

out who were the most. Effective

8:04

messengers and get that out and you'll

8:07

need to get so cousins I mean

8:09

I like we all know people who

8:11

are black men who are talking this

8:13

talk about Trump's one of my younger

8:16

cousins her husband is a black man

8:18

who is all Trump out and you

8:20

know nobody family wants it.him as he

8:23

so crazy the to the the matter

8:25

is we need to sit him in

8:27

and say air and bombard him with

8:29

the right message right and help them

8:32

understand. Buddhists is not what you want.

8:34

To Do for Real And so I

8:36

think there is a mega narrative, but

8:38

I also feel like we have. To

8:40

win the hearts and minds at a people that we

8:42

loved, people that we love our it's more inclined to

8:45

listen to us than they are to listen to other

8:47

folks. and so we gotta get any s and get

8:49

our brothers and are uncles and are nephews and help

8:51

them understand what it is and whether they. At

8:54

this this makes me have a bigger question

8:56

for you. All that of that's been in

8:58

the back of my mind. Is

9:01

is there a. It's Twenty

9:03

Twenty Four or As and I dare

9:05

not say this in Black history. Month

9:07

into a couple weeks out from Martha

9:09

Kings are known, the passer has been

9:11

spades. Point Twenty Four. Is there like

9:13

a bump? Are there black men leaders?

9:15

or black men that resonate with. Black.

9:20

Man in the in the in in a

9:22

way that like clicked the woods etti by

9:24

I can think of kind of cool stereotypical

9:26

and feel the government has about the names

9:29

book like of a basketball player or a

9:31

comedian or rapper by I'm thinking what is

9:33

there that kind of political. Person

9:36

or even like a media person? Who? Who

9:38

who tin roof who can rally black me

9:40

to get who are double? Who are the

9:43

black male political influence as Oprah? I'm at

9:45

the guy with a young big like Oprah

9:47

as I'm thinking leg even beyond save. I

9:49

know you are entertainers but I'm thinking like

9:52

a seems like language in black and listen

9:54

to. Get of lario.

9:57

I will say to you know this is that I

9:59

swam the time. Trump were doing some advocates

10:01

around the Dc crime bill which is

10:03

bad at all security see and we've

10:05

done a lot of and stuff on

10:07

social media over the weekend and. He.

10:10

Reminded me that people actually are ready

10:12

to engaging content you to send a

10:14

package of for them to. The number

10:16

of black men in the comments were

10:18

like this all makes sense. They just

10:20

ran. Arrest everybody This is true. Like

10:22

everybody up like Beyonce people do get

10:24

it. They just need content and some

10:26

framing around it. And I do think

10:28

that for so many people, consultants have

10:30

leaned in on the moral and emotion

10:32

arguments To black people writ large and

10:34

adding to the moral and emotion arguments

10:36

actually does or not as compelling as

10:38

people think that they are. Like you

10:41

know, calling something racist today doesn't

10:43

actually move people the way that

10:45

it is. Twenty years ago, helping

10:48

people see that it's racist days.

10:51

And. I and I would say that that is

10:53

actually like a storytelling technique at the left has

10:55

not going to. That's how you know We were

10:57

at the Dc crime dog gonna crumble as groups

10:59

two or more. Cities will be

11:01

criminalized. All this stuff and like I'm not

11:03

have into it's why people the comments were like

11:06

alba we Need it the Black Sea both men

11:08

and women and the men are like you know

11:10

state has a Minot writing long paragraph. they like

11:13

this, whacked this crazy legal like us all

11:15

up a try to get our kids like people

11:17

actually do get it when they get the

11:19

content. when the Caitlyn when. People.

11:21

Treat them as if they can understand the

11:23

content because they can. And I

11:25

think I think what I implore

11:28

if can provide his campaign and

11:30

administration to do is just. Listen,

11:33

considering I think you're onto something in

11:35

terms of. I. Think. When

11:38

the outreach a curve of by itself it's

11:40

It's usually in a black church and it's

11:42

usually around some social justice or moral issue

11:44

right? and I think instead of that or

11:46

in a distance of that it also needs

11:48

to be around both building. And

11:50

in. I think it

11:52

was twenty twenty when we had

11:54

them one hundred year anniversary of.

11:57

The The Massacre in Tulsa. there

11:59

was so much conversation around black

12:01

while still being in. A. Building

12:04

that back Greenwood Accenture and this

12:06

administration. Has. done some some of that work or

12:08

at least intimated that they were going to do some

12:10

of that works out. Whether it

12:13

was. Because they lost

12:15

the inter agency the they launched an initiative

12:17

to address in Equity and Home appraisal which

12:19

was a big thing which we've talked about

12:21

on the podcast actually quite a few times.

12:24

The other thing they did arm was

12:26

started initiative to advance equity and federal

12:28

procurement. So that means that black. Businesses

12:30

are getting more federal contracts

12:33

and. Would. I'd also with us.

12:35

It's a stat that I did see. Was.

12:37

That there's been an increase in black on

12:39

this is is that have applied to the

12:41

small Business Administration I think. I.

12:44

Think there's some storytelling that needs to

12:46

be done around the effort. Around

12:49

some of the economic. You.

12:51

Know economic equity bad that I think the community

12:53

wants to see and I think. From

12:56

what I'm hearing and seeing around

12:58

with these vitamins said on this

13:00

and Msnbc pieces. They.

13:02

Are more concerned about their businesses. They are more

13:04

concerned about money and so is. That it is. That

13:06

is it. Let's. Let's listen to that

13:09

and then create and not create the near and

13:11

we actually have some the ministers and actually has

13:13

some. You. Know some receipts to

13:15

pull in terms of what they've done. But.

13:17

I think that's the disconnect is that this

13:20

administration has. Been doing things, Doing

13:22

things, doing things. Nobody knows about it nobody

13:24

knows about us. Nothing else is a

13:26

we just have this we have a

13:28

me to somebody able to can be

13:30

so just have a pool of of

13:33

the Us around attitudes moods. A two

13:35

year since the protests in Ferguson and

13:37

one of things we ask is about

13:39

way issues you care about black people

13:41

is reece like racism. I'm like racial

13:43

justice to the like a brother to

13:45

reach addresses in the third issue that

13:48

buried top issues states is housing. And

13:52

that is not when I would have dogs.

13:54

But it is. So yeah. There's only

13:57

one subset of people. all

13:59

the way people 65 above for whom

14:02

crime is in the top three.

14:04

Everybody else is like housing, inflation,

14:06

you know, like, that's actually what

14:08

people are, they are

14:11

worried about racism and housing. And

14:14

just think how many black people have been displaced in

14:16

all of these cities, like whether it's DC

14:18

or all of these cities,

14:22

Chicago, so

14:24

many black people have been displaced out of these

14:26

cities. It's wild. I was in a

14:28

meeting last week where somebody, they use the phrase

14:30

forced homelessness. And I was like,

14:33

I love that. Because people aren't choosing homelessness,

14:35

right? Like people, people talk about homelessness as

14:37

if you like woke up one day and

14:39

you like, chose to buy Nike's instead

14:41

of paying your rent. And that actually is not what's

14:43

happening. Do you know what I mean? And

14:46

when I heard her say forced homelessness, it,

14:49

I thought it was a better way to talk

14:51

about the housing crisis, then, then people

14:54

experiencing as if like, you just made some really

14:56

bad choice on Tuesday. And therefore you are homeless.

14:58

Like, that's not what's happening to people. The one

15:01

other political thing can we talk about?

15:03

Because it's just so messy. Danny Willis,

15:05

girl, why are you sleeping with your

15:08

friend, your colleague, your whatever?

15:11

I mean, here's the thing. So one,

15:13

the moment that this, that this thing

15:15

came out that that she was potentially

15:18

involved with her, I don't

15:20

know if he's the prosecutor or whatever, he's on her

15:22

team on this case. You

15:25

know, my first thought was these

15:27

conservative muckrakers are just trying any

15:29

old thing. And then his wife

15:32

was like, Oh, yeah. And he bought her plane

15:34

tickets. And I was like, and

15:38

then, and now it has

15:40

come out that they are an item.

15:42

And, you know, she says it should

15:44

have no bearing on the case. I'm a Bearing

15:47

on the case, smearing on the case. None

15:49

of that matters. You are prosecuting one of

15:51

the most important cases in the history of

15:53

the United States. And You want to be

15:56

messy. You Know what this is. You know

15:58

what it is. You Know what the people

16:00

are going. Do you not a gun? Come

16:02

after you. Why give them any grist for

16:04

the mill you can buy. No other man

16:06

in the universe accept this man sit next

16:09

to you to Sudan hired to come and

16:11

work on your thing. Oh lord to they

16:13

are. I love love. I want people to

16:15

live whoever they want to love and we

16:17

got be. A little bit most strategic

16:19

above these things us. And

16:21

if you were doing it because he was gonna

16:24

be a secret while you bastard to like that

16:26

was, it's. You know? And the

16:28

Trump people? Kim both tell

16:30

a lie and they can find a during

16:32

a big candy Emails they can lie and

16:34

bombs like take up. A. Little

16:37

morsel of something and turn it into the

16:39

mouth. You know? Via

16:42

is in but it's the same time. it's

16:44

kind of read. This.

16:46

This is my this is the of

16:48

my liberal point of view. You know

16:50

when we talk about people who are

16:52

accused of rape armed When we talk

16:54

about a present enterprising who does have

16:56

that who have to pay a three

16:58

million dollars because he couldn't keep his

17:01

hands and seven Bergdorf Goodman like I'm

17:03

over here like well if a out

17:05

like this of did they agree and

17:07

could say they were consensus on air

17:09

to our of like how far as

17:11

I'm over you're like whoa left alone

17:13

gonna believe it when tax or sick

17:15

for that. One of us going to

17:17

do it. one of us is not so get less

17:19

mobile and we don't wanna play that game. Says

17:22

the Point Miles retain do what they.

17:24

Do for our as the

17:26

try outs I. Could

17:34

throw in there will be like okay yeah

17:36

I did. It was new or no or

17:38

line our faith we believe it we just

17:40

power and folded to ourselves to go and

17:43

rubbed that me as badly as say a

17:45

happy that because I'd rather live in san

17:47

contact with the same time and move on

17:49

and be a bowl and see how that

17:51

works because this is that working. I'm okay

17:54

with that. As long as he got a

17:56

backup black girl prosecutor for the occasion. Food.

17:59

out there. very. I will say. This.

18:02

Couple. I mean

18:04

to say they're working long hours.

18:07

I. Have

18:09

been around long hours. Longer

18:13

ride a favor de smet long hours.

18:15

I mean a lot of rise of

18:17

the Autonomy. Look like they could be

18:20

like on a tie this. Harry.

18:23

Episode of. Those yada yada

18:25

yada. They do. They do. I figured

18:27

I might not be miles with

18:29

you on a mat. I'm not

18:31

at all yeah Matthew Broderick identify

18:33

the of like people behaviors womb

18:35

we're bert were competing with who

18:37

were competing with even inside the

18:39

own on our own democratic party

18:41

I'm like your leg beards been

18:43

there there's be I'm saying we

18:45

our look at me turn into

18:47

a democrat but for. Whom

18:51

but like even I'm here this amount.

18:53

I just think that because he's a

18:55

black women of. Course we're as as

18:57

in bed at being held to ah

18:59

like a higher standard and a lot

19:01

of using the been exaggerating to testified

19:03

in. I also think that if the

19:05

school and are going to actually change

19:07

it out on my dream is to

19:09

see a black woman who has been

19:12

forced into exceptionalism in tokenism in an

19:14

has been so jailed about was he

19:16

can do Missouri. My dream is to

19:18

see a black woman stick upper middle

19:20

finger and be like and we're going

19:22

to move on days like my legs.

19:24

That. To me I've were freedom. Looks like it's like

19:26

know behave like they will then. Let them cause

19:28

atlas any is doing right now so

19:30

you plans later for ya keep move

19:32

in so yelling at. Least. Free,

19:34

but it is given to a home and

19:36

Amy whatever her name is, and they they

19:38

had their taxes of them everywhere be and

19:41

fabulous. A Amy's about do you turn

19:43

I feel it in my spirit blade. Upper.

19:47

The cause this to lash. Out

19:50

at the I think that I feel

19:52

I came here when the baby cow

19:54

is not looking as well as we

19:56

want to assess the park has no

19:58

central park has obviously the when I

20:00

do in the can plug as the

20:02

you know the a the a know

20:04

driver to take you to the take

20:07

you to the studio acting I can

20:09

see him hour at and dissimilar to

20:11

do you turn and be in in

20:13

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20:15

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22:50

of the Blackest Book Club. And

22:52

what that means is that we've all chosen

22:54

some books around some certain topics. We're gonna

22:56

talk about them today. We will continue to

22:58

talk about these books because we understand that

23:00

the news that happens every week is important.

23:02

But the other thing that's really important is

23:04

actually there's some incredible books that help us

23:06

make sense of the world, help us make

23:08

sense of our blackness and what it means

23:11

to be in the community. This

23:13

is one of my favorite things that we

23:15

do on the pod because first of all,

23:17

it dispels the myth that black people don't

23:20

read, black people read a ton. And

23:22

in order to be an informed and

23:24

engaged black citizen that is world you

23:26

better read. And I'm always

23:28

so excited to learn what you all

23:30

are reading. Like we talk about news and

23:33

we talk about all kinds of other stuff.

23:36

But this is, I always learn so much,

23:38

not just about my books, but about the

23:40

books that each of you are choosing. And

23:42

so I'm super excited. Thanks for doing this

23:44

again. This is amazing.

23:46

And we partner

23:49

with Reconstruction, which is my little organization

23:51

to also put out a young adult reading

23:53

list. Where

23:57

we have recommendations for... little

24:00

readers, middle readers, older readers.

24:02

So check us out. Check our

24:05

socials, check it all. We'll be running it

24:07

all through the month of February. So to

24:09

start with the very first

24:12

question, I wanna know, looking at the

24:14

state of our world, what book do

24:16

you recommend to educate and inform black

24:18

people? I think we are educated and

24:20

informed out. I think one of

24:22

the more, I

24:25

think one of the more useful texts that

24:27

I've read and engaged with in this past

24:29

year has been Rest is Resistance, a manifesto

24:31

by Trisha Hersey. I hope I'm pronouncing her

24:33

name right. It's

24:35

weird when you're reading something, you never hear

24:37

it. But Trisha Hersey, she's the

24:39

founder of the Nat Ministry. She's

24:41

a theorist and she has a

24:44

huge social media presence around rest

24:46

and resistance and really integrating the

24:49

ideas around rest and spirituality

24:51

with like

24:53

with resistance politics. And really,

24:56

I don't know, to me, it

24:58

is one of the people who

25:00

are kind of in this like vanguard of

25:02

like not separating the immaterial and the spiritual

25:04

with the political and the material. And I

25:06

think that that has been something that has

25:08

been so wedged in a lot

25:10

of our public talk as black

25:12

people, but just as politically

25:15

engaged people in general. And

25:17

this would be the thing that I would share with

25:22

people, specifically when I'm thinking about

25:25

black people. Because I think, unfortunately,

25:28

if you were born post, if

25:32

you're born in America and you're black, I

25:34

think you know the things. You kind of

25:37

get hyper educated real quick. And if for

25:39

every reason you didn't know, then there's an

25:41

injustice that will happen that will happen in

25:43

your generation to radicalize you. So I think

25:45

that the most useful text that I found

25:47

is the one that teaches you, what do

25:50

you do now that your nervous system is

25:52

out of whack? What do you do now

25:54

that your piece is being is

25:57

being threatened by the powers that be? How

26:00

do you connect with hope? How do

26:02

you connect with your creativity? How do

26:04

you stay inside of your own purpose

26:06

and not repurpose your purpose for a

26:08

greater political project that still wants to

26:10

cannibalize you? These are the things that

26:12

I think are very useful to think

26:14

about as black people, specifically by people

26:16

who are political. But I couldn't come

26:18

up with this big

26:20

political intellectual academic text that all black

26:23

people need to be informed. Because most

26:25

black people know it's racist. It's unfair.

26:28

And we can complicate that and

26:31

make chapters about it and books about it. But it

26:33

all comes down to it's racist and unfair and

26:35

go hide somewhere. So I feel like

26:37

this was a text that really taught

26:39

us how, now that we're dealing with

26:42

the darkness, it

26:44

gave me batteries for my flashlight, this text.

26:47

This is from her. We

26:51

believe our bodies are portals. They

26:53

are sites of liberation, knowledge,

26:55

and invention that are waiting

26:57

to be reclaimed and awakened by the

26:59

beautiful interruptions or brutal systems that sleep

27:02

and dreaming provide. Come

27:05

on. That's one thing about Miss

27:08

Hershey as well. When I tell you, Mama

27:11

has the Giovanni Angelo Morrison

27:14

hand. Because that's

27:16

what I listen for too. Because I'm like, sometimes I'm still

27:18

a person of a certain age. So I get bored.

27:21

I need a two minute song. I need a rich

27:23

text. It needs to be entertaining for me. I was

27:25

like, oh, she has the kind of language where even

27:27

if I totally agree with what

27:29

she's saying, but even if I disagree with what

27:32

she's saying, she has such

27:34

a way with how she writes

27:36

that is very much so in

27:38

that jazz lyrical tradition of Black

27:41

writers. I actually was with

27:43

Dury. I was with Trier when I was in Houston

27:45

a couple of weeks ago. And

27:47

one of the things Trier said she's working on

27:49

this year is rest. And she was like, name

27:52

one rested Black woman. And

27:55

I was like, ooh. Ooh.

28:01

So it really, when

28:04

you sit with it and

28:06

you pause and you get

28:08

into the reflection, it is

28:10

so interesting. Where our nervous systems

28:13

are in such fight or flight that we

28:15

can't even have the presence of mind to

28:17

know that we are in boiling water. So

28:20

I think this text is

28:22

in particular something that

28:25

is critical. So

28:27

thank you Miles for bringing this one

28:30

to our attention. I

28:32

want to shout out the Omidyar Network which

28:36

recognized a bunch of black tech

28:38

entrepreneurs and sent us a

28:40

gift. Said we see you, you're out here

28:42

in these tech streets doing the thing and

28:45

we just wanted to give you a little

28:47

something to say we recognize you and they

28:49

sent us the Knapp Ministries Rest Deck. So

28:52

this goes along with the book. It's

28:55

50 practices to resist grind culture

28:58

and it is a bunch of cards that sort

29:00

of help you rest, help

29:02

you reconnect your body and your

29:04

mind, help you be healthier and

29:06

to continue to

29:11

do the work. And

29:13

it is spectacular. I've been using

29:15

it. The next time you

29:17

ask that question Diara, who's arrested black woman? At

29:19

some point you all are going to say Kai

29:22

Henderson because that's what I'm working on

29:26

too. And there is a

29:28

way, I mean we cannot continue

29:30

to do what we do the way

29:33

we do it and so I think Trisha

29:35

is, she is, the rest is

29:37

revolutionary but she is a revolutionary

29:40

especially in this particular moment where

29:42

we have the opportunity. We reinvented

29:44

how we work. She

29:47

helps us reinvent how we shop, how we do

29:50

all kinds of things and she's like let's reinvent

29:52

how we approach the pace at

29:54

which we approach life and

29:57

I'm here for it. Don't

29:59

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31:47

The book that I thought was the

31:49

best way to educate and inform people

31:53

and the book that I loved this year

31:55

was when crack was king. A

31:58

people's history of a misunderstood. We interviewed

32:00

him on the pod. People

32:02

really should read this book because if you

32:05

grew up in any city

32:07

that is urban, majority black, a

32:09

little bit of black people, especially during

32:11

the 80s, 90s, crack just really

32:14

swept through communities.

32:16

I think my own family is still

32:18

dealing with the fallout from the addiction

32:21

from the era. And what

32:23

Donovan does so well is he just

32:25

maps the history of

32:27

what happened, who was involved, how

32:29

it spread. It is a

32:31

little storytelling and history

32:33

lesson all in one. And

32:36

it actually is a complete story of what happened.

32:38

So it doesn't just sort of go into one

32:40

moment. It tells the arc of it. And

32:43

when I think about how we got here, it

32:45

is really important to just

32:48

remember the impact that addiction had on

32:52

our communities. I mean, there's no

32:55

way that I can overstate just

32:57

how monumental

32:59

the impact of addiction has been in

33:02

black communities. And as you know, black

33:05

people and I grew up in cocaine

33:07

in their backyards. And

33:11

I didn't know this was a book I needed to

33:14

read until I read it. My

33:17

book that

33:19

I chose for this question is

33:21

Charles Blows, The Devil You Know. And

33:25

I particularly chose it in this

33:27

moment as we are in

33:29

an election season because the subtitle

33:34

is A Black Power

33:36

Manifesto. And I'm

33:38

all about it. But

33:40

literally, it is a playbook for

33:43

how we take back black political

33:45

power and effectively how we set

33:47

ourselves up as a black community

33:50

to really control electoral politics in

33:53

this country. And basically what

33:55

he says is the great migration has

33:57

not worked for us. In fact, if

33:59

you look at the

34:01

cities where black people do worse. It's in

34:03

the cities that all of our family

34:05

members came to

34:07

to escape the South. These are actually

34:10

the worst places for us. And in fact,

34:12

the South is a tremendous

34:14

economic power in our country.

34:17

And if we reverse migrated and went back

34:19

to Southern states, he names about 12 or

34:22

15 Southern states. And he's like, if

34:25

black people moved here en masse,

34:28

we literally would control the electoral politics

34:30

in these states. And if these states

34:32

voted as a black bloc, we could

34:34

literally control all of the elections in

34:37

this country. You know, that's my kind

34:39

of stuff. I like that kind of

34:41

stuff. And so, you know, he talks

34:43

a lot about, you know, black

34:45

cities, he talks about what we gave up in

34:47

the Great Migration. We had economic

34:50

power, we had land, we

34:52

had social net capital, we

34:54

had all kinds of things that we gave up

34:56

to live in projects and tenements in Chicago and

34:58

New York and whatever. And

35:01

he lays out a really

35:03

clear, like, and reasonable proposition for

35:06

getting black political power back. And I

35:08

think, like,

35:11

I want my family to read this and

35:13

talk about it at Thanksgiving, because I'm like,

35:15

yo, we need to move back to South

35:17

Carolina, where our people came from and get

35:19

us some land and start doing the thing.

35:21

And I do I mean, we

35:23

are seeing some migration

35:25

southward. But he

35:28

really calls the question and I just,

35:31

I think it is worth considering. When

35:34

we think about, you know, we're arguing

35:36

about voting and what black men think

35:38

about Trump and da da da, the

35:40

real game is how do we re

35:42

amass black political power and Charles Blows

35:45

is an easy read. And it's a

35:47

very interesting read. And so that's my

35:49

recommendation. Can I say something about both of

35:51

y'all's books, when it comes to Crackers King,

35:54

And Charles Blows text is that I

35:56

think what? Also I love about you

35:58

all bringing those texts. Specifically. Wow,

36:01

that's a The Mister Five is

36:03

like something that kind of exist

36:05

in the black. In

36:08

a in a my imagination as like almost

36:10

like folklore like they have a lot of

36:12

like can speak if you if you go

36:15

on the internet if you hear from people

36:17

talk about eve the everybody has a different

36:19

way of were the how that time when

36:21

you know in in in what in what

36:24

happens in I love that these are tax

36:26

that release can be record that truth telling

36:28

mechanisms sensitive to to save you to out

36:30

with if we when i think about crack

36:33

in in that area i think that i

36:35

love it did attacks were if you read

36:37

a year. Informed yeah now a you

36:39

know what happened during that time?

36:42

I'm when there's so many narratives

36:44

running around about where happened during

36:46

that time but political narrative that

36:48

our lives on purpose and been

36:50

offered as people's own like spreading

36:52

misinformation. So as I love those

36:54

suggestions for those reasons to my

36:56

my my book for this quest

36:58

song was sister outside about agin

37:01

board. And. This books are

37:03

always go back to. His

37:05

So compelling to. Me in the client political

37:07

and social moment? Where and I think.

37:10

We're. In a culture. Of.

37:13

Just throwing tomatoes at everything

37:15

with little and suspects and

37:17

were just. What does that person

37:19

say? I should say in that's what. Everyone

37:22

follows and sad and so I think. Where.

37:24

Does not. in a space of asking

37:27

a lot of questions are just provocative

37:29

style. and I think that Audrey Lord

37:31

is such. A Challenger.

37:34

Of every type of of

37:36

have thought of idea and

37:38

I and I think that's

37:40

really what I'm. Looking.

37:43

For work in this moment is how can

37:45

we ask? Deeper

37:47

questions, Better questions. How can we questions that

37:49

things that are happening just because I. Feel

37:52

like we do have. A shared

37:54

language. Generally shared language understanding

37:56

around. You know, Pretty.

38:00

Construct when it comes. To racism and

38:02

homophobia and transfer the eccentric. That

38:04

I do, We just be so far from being

38:06

where we need to be in I think. Part.

38:09

Of how we can get there is asking

38:11

the right questions we don't always have to

38:13

have. The. Answer that we can

38:15

tweet in a moment's notice that how can

38:17

we think. More.

38:20

Deeply and thoughtfully about.

38:22

What's. Happening to us. So. That

38:24

the book I'd like to go to as a

38:26

guide because she's just. A. Brilliant, brilliant

38:29

thinker that picks and picks and

38:31

picks and take some pics. I'm.

38:34

In still may not arrive at an answer

38:36

by that. The journey helps you get so

38:38

much. Understanding and clarity I

38:41

know that I'm not the only

38:43

person who feels this way by

38:45

know either lord the as they

38:47

the uses of the erotic inside

38:49

of this is outside an outsider

38:51

and a bird is a blew

38:53

my mind because for so long.

38:55

To see your point, there's

38:57

so many writers and thinkers

39:00

who either tell a problem,

39:02

pick a fight like that

39:04

was a i had not

39:06

necessarily see a black lesbian

39:08

one mean. Cause

39:10

a problem in arrive as the loose

39:12

in Elizabeth the audacity to i think

39:14

is the there's the as a certain

39:16

companies of the have your own intelligence

39:18

to be able to name a solution

39:20

even if the solution a good could

39:22

seats or if it gets picked apart

39:25

or whatever. see. Really says that there's

39:27

a deer that I'm I'm not gonna

39:29

name that. there's there's is patriarchal force

39:31

in our I'm in our society that's

39:33

causing people to have pornographic relationships with.

39:35

Most their bodies came with a with

39:37

each other and stuff like that In

39:39

In I'm gonna have theorized around the

39:41

erotic in the uses of that in

39:43

In In In A C C C

39:45

C Have seen see A rather the

39:47

answer A Man on know there was

39:49

something just like illuminated and inspiring about

39:52

reading that tax that made me want

39:54

to think differently. They made me. Wanna

39:56

be them for a ah I'm a

39:58

made me want to even if. The

40:00

danger the were from Prove him wrong even

40:02

if it's critique. I said allah and I

40:04

really do not want to. Arrive

40:07

at a whole bunch of problems. M.

40:10

And not have too many solutions to them.

40:12

War and serve or the big oil or

40:14

start a you know is same thing with

40:16

science Somebody has to theorize that I think

40:18

this might be a child and it's three

40:20

hundred scientists say know that was in it

40:22

you live by you have to be efforts

40:24

by scientists to deter to put the the

40:26

chemical then don't get me started look I

40:28

know advised side of this by a sewage

40:30

the be the first very fight as it

40:32

starts to get you know using different compounds

40:34

in the having a theory aim and and

40:36

maybe this is a in you know as

40:38

the in I think that. Audre Lorde

40:41

did that so beautifully.

40:44

Throughout his or outsider by specifically these

40:46

of erotic that it's a it's a

40:48

to me that and the that ministries

40:50

arm in the rest of it resistance

40:52

they are they are sister tax when

40:54

it comes to ah politicizing things that

40:56

are not seen as political and using

40:58

them com been brought in our like

41:00

point of view Ember in broad and

41:03

how we see things now be engaged

41:05

with life's enrich M M laughing all

41:07

say of i'm a geek for our

41:09

the lord but. the last year phases of

41:11

a see also me like is like that

41:13

I'm. It's is that

41:15

audacity that you feeling good or feeling

41:17

good is of at is a part

41:19

of the political plan to. That

41:22

there is a part of the middle of

41:24

me until I think presses resisted in that

41:26

that specific as a boffo are the lord's

41:28

work To the one who came up with

41:30

self care that rebates, batted eyes and was

41:32

revel. Yeah yeah yeah yeah no. Yeah,

41:35

the adding that says I love

41:37

me some other oh my lord.

41:41

of the putting all this month is one

41:43

is that i used to be an office

41:45

villains the used to be in the international

41:48

bachelorette curriculum which i just love i love

41:50

that haskell as are reading this text adding

41:52

anything from i wish i had read it

41:55

in high school audience didn't experience any of

41:57

laundry lawrence allows in college and the the

41:59

essay that really changed my

42:01

life and made me think about how I thought

42:03

about utility was the transformation

42:05

of silence into

42:07

language and action, which begins, I've

42:11

come to believe over and over again that

42:13

what is most important to me must be

42:15

spoken, made verbal, and shared, even

42:17

at the risk of having it

42:19

bruised or misunderstood, that the speaking profits

42:21

me beyond any other effect. I'd

42:24

always been like, well, why do we need to

42:26

say the thing if we already know the thing

42:28

and what does it mean to tell people things

42:30

that they already like, and then

42:32

this essay, this is just the beginning of

42:34

it, but this essay helped me understand the

42:36

political power both of saying the thing and

42:38

just the personal importance of getting out and

42:40

sharing with people, even if people

42:43

push it and disagree with it or use it

42:45

in ways that are not your

42:47

intent sometimes, like the act of

42:49

getting it out and the act

42:51

of not being silent is actually a

42:54

powerful political thing. I didn't understand that

42:56

until I read this essay. It's

42:58

so interesting. I feel

43:00

like last year during

43:02

the Blackest Book Club, Miles

43:04

brought All About Love by Bill Cook and I

43:07

was like, you know what, I'm going to read that. And

43:10

I feel like this is the thing that I'm like, you know what, I

43:12

got to read this. I

43:14

read it a zillion years ago and I can't remember what I

43:16

had for lunch, but I remember it making

43:18

me think a lot about what

43:21

being a black woman means. And

43:24

as we think about where we

43:27

are in this country and who we are and

43:29

how black women are treated, I want

43:32

my leadership and

43:34

my narrative to

43:37

be tied to my

43:39

black femininity. I

43:41

don't want to ... There are people who are like,

43:44

I'm not a great black leader, I'm just a great

43:46

leader. No, no. I want to be

43:48

a great black woman leader

43:50

because my black womanness is

43:52

part of who I am and I

43:54

feel like Audre Lorde gives us permission

43:57

to inhabit black femininity.

44:00

and all of its divine power, like I

44:02

want to lead with emotion, I want to

44:04

lead with caring, I want to lead with

44:06

all of the things that, you

44:08

know, the world says we shouldn't be.

44:10

I also want to lead in a

44:12

collective way and I feel like, you

44:14

know, part of what I

44:16

remember of this collection is it

44:18

calls us to be in

44:21

relationship differently with other

44:24

Black women. Woo-Cha, we need

44:26

to read about that. It

44:29

calls us to redefine our relationship with White

44:31

women. It calls us to rethink our relationships

44:33

with Black men because we

44:36

can't get free unless we all get free

44:38

together. And so this

44:40

is the one that I'm going to go, this

44:43

is the one from somebody else's list that

44:45

I'm going to go back to and dig

44:47

deep into because this is like a right

44:49

now word probably for where

44:52

I am and my thinking. So thanks for

44:54

bringing it, Diyara. Just to piggyback off of

44:56

what Kaya said, Kaya, Auntie

44:58

Kaya, I think also when it

45:00

comes to this specific text with

45:02

Audra Lorde, and I

45:06

think about Pat Parker too, who's not even, if

45:08

Audra Lorde's not talked about, Pat Parker is like, people

45:12

just don't talk about her, but like you

45:14

got lesbian Black women. And I think there's

45:16

something about lesbian Black women who create texts,

45:18

who think, who make

45:20

poetry, who are writing essays, who

45:24

are theorizing about Black womanhood and the

45:26

state of Black womanhood that are not

45:29

so engaged with the patriarchal

45:31

standards when that has been

45:34

ruptured. And maybe

45:36

the ways that you're thinking about liberation are

45:38

not including, that are queered

45:40

are not including traditional

45:44

women dynamics, are

45:46

not thinking about your desirability

45:48

or anything like

45:50

that when it comes to with

45:52

other men. I think there's something acutely

45:54

radical that's birthed when that is not

45:56

inside of your consideration. I think that's

45:59

also why. I think that

46:01

all straight women should be reading

46:03

to the trans authors, trans black

46:06

authors and lesbian black women authors

46:08

because there's a way when you're

46:10

not necessarily dancing

46:13

with certain devils. There's heaven. Here

46:15

we go. There's heavens you can

46:17

imagine when you're not dancing with certain devils. And

46:20

I think that that is, I found that really

46:22

useful to all my straight

46:25

and cis black women who

46:27

have read those texts and be like, oh wow, that

46:30

made me think about something differently because she's

46:32

not concerned about that. You know,

46:35

and it made me think about being more radical. So I'm

46:37

excited to hear what your thoughts are about that too. That's

46:39

going to be a good talk. Kaya, I

46:41

love that. And I love this idea,

46:43

you know, people do the language

46:46

of, you know, I'm a good leader. I'm not

46:48

just a good black leader. I'm like, that is

46:50

so that became sort of like popular at a

46:53

point for people to say as

46:55

some like elevated

46:57

standard that like being a black leader

46:59

is like less excellent

47:01

than being like that was the way people

47:04

in people in rooms that

47:06

were like, I said to me, pro black people would say that.

47:08

And I would be in there like being

47:10

black is all in my life. Like that

47:12

is like, I, that's my superpower. I'm like

47:14

excited to be black. So

47:16

I love you saying that because that is true of

47:19

me too. I want to be the best

47:21

black leader you met. You know, I want to, I

47:23

want to lean into that. I

47:25

don't want to run away for it or I don't want

47:27

to explain it away, which is what people do. I

47:30

don't want to have to contextualize it for you

47:32

about how black is excellent as well. I

47:35

want black to be the thing that you see and

47:37

like, yes. So I love that.

47:39

Thank you, Kaya. So

47:42

I'm going to have to pour it into

47:44

us on this fine February black history month

47:46

day. Okay, okay. Okay. Because

47:48

it's such an intellectual relic from like segregation,

47:51

right? Like it's like you have to, you

47:53

have to see the water fountain in your

47:55

head in order to even arrive at that.

47:57

The whites only, the black only. water

48:00

fountain so that I feel like it's always stemmed

48:02

from that never just

48:05

thinking about how gray black black

48:07

leadership is leadership when we taught

48:09

people how to lead and we

48:11

built all this it's

48:14

fine just to remind people y'all

48:21

I told you this was one of my favorite

48:23

things on the pod and we

48:25

are just getting started so thank you

48:27

for sharing today and I'm excited about

48:31

next week and a week after and a week

48:33

after that because all this month we'll

48:36

be talking about the books that we've

48:38

selected again go on our social media

48:40

and you'll see all of the books

48:42

that we've selected you'll also see books

48:44

that we selected for young people tell

48:47

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48:49

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48:51

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48:54

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48:56

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48:58

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49:00

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49:03

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49:05

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49:08

the kickoff month for black

49:10

history year because that's what it

49:12

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49:14

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49:16

american history and it's happening all year so

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