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To Party of the World on Tommy Vietor

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in the Nerds been looking good and your

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and your hotel room and and European vacation

0:47

yeah I'm actually know you're You're more of

0:49

a Nordic vibe at the moment where and

0:51

a non either. I'm in a and in

0:53

Copenhagen very good city then as people are

0:56

eight city the dancing i think the think

0:58

they street our lifetime of these seem happy.

1:01

Financing is hung up on Sept as we're. Going

1:03

to lot of good things. Go inform us

1:06

just run or our time is tentatively it

1:08

synagogue you know it's. Not

1:11

I said that they've got altogether probably have

1:13

some like extreme far right party like Emerge

1:16

and Miller. for. the good news is that

1:18

it seems for now it's like a a

1:20

pleasant. Yeah. Well as grades

1:22

connect to your. Got a lot going on

1:24

today. I know it's a hard day for

1:26

you abuse. Aaron Rodgers was passed over as

1:29

Rfk Juniors Vice President. Will get through. We're

1:32

going to cover we are increasingly nasty

1:34

fight between us and Israel over Gaza

1:36

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and then a very fun fact

1:58

check out of Haiti. In Advantages: talk

2:00

with Sen. Bernie Sanders. Would you guys cover? I

2:03

did again I talked a bunny

2:05

about Gaza and he's been I've

2:07

seen quite outspoken about the need

2:09

to like condition nearest assistance or

2:11

really who just turn turn off

2:13

zero assistance or but then he's

2:15

also like written article recently for

2:17

foreign affairs like Bernie going into

2:19

the Dalai, the Blob there and

2:21

numb and I really laying out

2:23

the case for like a revolution

2:25

in our foreign policy. In

2:28

so we talk about why us foreign

2:30

policy is broken Like what are the

2:32

incentives. To military industrial complex, the

2:35

other domestic factors that can't drive.

2:37

This. Group think that is Madison.

2:39

Bad directions Talk about what a different kind

2:42

of agenda would look like to the United

2:44

States is really interesting conversation. Bernie's goodness. a

2:46

lot of thought you know and I think

2:48

you know If is I said I'm at

2:51

the end of that, he can begin have

2:53

some impact on our foreign policy the same

2:55

way that is really impacted the mainstream, the

2:57

democratic party and domestic policy. That would be.

3:00

A useful contribution. Disabling? yeah? offer

3:03

on. Very excited to hear that

3:05

army. I mean it's remarkable. really?

3:07

Think about twenty sixteen when bernie

3:09

with current knocked for not. Knowing

3:11

enough about for policy or not focusing

3:13

on it and often as Twenty Sixteen campaign

3:15

to today where he really has been.

3:18

Pushing. Are in a lot of direction.

3:20

Notches on me oh gods, policy or Israel

3:22

but also and cartography and always have interesting

3:24

ways of. The every talk about

3:27

that Yeah cause I began the same thing he

3:29

cares been home rights, the corrupting influence of money,

3:32

Is it deftly seats in a foreign

3:34

policy? As young as we seems Like

3:36

a global problem? Yeah, well, we eat.

3:38

You know you met season leading our

3:40

guys us. Why don't we turned their?

3:42

Because you know there's been this growing

3:44

divide between the Us and Israel on

3:46

what should happen next. Ah, and that

3:48

divide is is getting bigger. About a

3:50

week to the latest, fight is over

3:52

the U. decision not to veto a

3:54

Un Security Council resolution. The called for

3:57

an immediate ceasefire in Gaza in

3:59

the release of Israeli hostage. Those

4:01

are the Us abstained on the

4:03

vote rather than vote for the

4:05

resolution. Busy didn't condemn Hamas, but

4:07

Ambassador Thomas Greenfield ah, she's vetoed

4:10

several previous ceasefire resolution south. While

4:12

the resolution itself was like pretty

4:14

close to Us policy, ah, the

4:16

U S decision to abstain rather

4:18

than veto was a big change.

4:20

The White House says it. Netanyahu's

4:23

office was briefed in advance of

4:25

this might happen, but Netanyahu freaked

4:27

out. He cancelled are planned Israeli

4:29

delegation. Trip to Washington to discuss the

4:31

Israeli plan to invade Russia or and

4:33

generally like decided to make a stink

4:36

year So then what was interesting to

4:38

me was. How both sides

4:40

are spinning This. The

4:42

White House line is basically. We. Breathed

4:44

Vb in advance. There's no real policy

4:46

change. Netanyahu is trying to create a

4:48

perception of daylight between us in Israel,

4:50

where there isn't one. I'm not sure

4:52

that's really the full story. Netanyahu, on

4:54

the other hand, is saying that the

4:57

U S had quote. Abandon it's

4:59

policy and you and Today which again,

5:01

is that totally accurate in terms of

5:03

the the letter of the resolution. But

5:05

it does probably reflects a Bbc view

5:07

that the Us is supposed to veto

5:09

every Un resolution critical of Israel, as

5:11

in the past. That's what the Us

5:13

has done with a few notable exceptions.

5:15

But how big a deal do you

5:17

think. D. Absentia vote

5:20

was and what do you think about like

5:22

that the spin from both sides tells us

5:24

about where the through his ship is. addict.

5:27

He. Adds a lot going on here. I

5:29

mean, for small, it's a step in

5:32

the right direction. And we've been saying

5:34

for a long time that the West's

5:36

should not be seen as obstructing the

5:38

Un Security Council trying to address the

5:40

situation. Injustice Comintern can pass. Been Gaza.

5:42

I'm into just the action of us.

5:44

Allowing fortune abstentions to consume I think

5:47

kind of Simmons The international view to

5:49

do need to be sense now just

5:51

on the substance of the resolution. As

5:53

you said, it's kind of in between

5:56

where the Un Security Council been with

5:58

his wife, a palm and an immediate

6:00

ceasefire, and where the Us has been

6:02

because they took out the word permanent.

6:05

And. Essentially they called for a ceasefire through

6:07

Ramadan widgets on a couple more weeks

6:09

in exchange for the and also call

6:11

for the release the hostages. So it

6:13

is. You know a kind of in

6:15

between where the Us has been and

6:17

where the you answer to pencils been

6:20

but I think a step in the

6:22

right direction now. On the spin.

6:25

On. The Us. I don't understand

6:27

this because their spin is basically

6:29

been. This is not a

6:31

change in policy. Nothing to see here. And

6:34

I don't understand that because what's the

6:36

point during it's it's it's You know

6:38

why not just own? Yeah, we're we're

6:40

frustrated Net and now that loosing does

6:42

we think Rafa would be a disaster

6:44

In so we moved to this tradition

6:46

of the email said it wasn't binding

6:48

bend years. that too as surprising to

6:50

me none monitoring the Un I saw

6:52

it. but I just don't. If

6:55

it's not a change in policy, them. Then.

6:57

Why do it? You know I get right.

6:59

I don't quite understand why they're and such

7:02

pain sack like this isn't a shift. A

7:04

didn't I see that as in a

7:06

good way to shift. You know, like

7:09

so just own the fact that this

7:11

is as a different step you're taking

7:13

because. The. Israeli government is

7:15

alison do because they're committed going

7:17

through this operation Martha over your

7:19

objections the of the Bb spin.

7:23

Look, we know what's going on here now.

7:25

He once the fi with the democratic presidents.

7:27

He wants to appeal. Over

7:29

the heads of Democrats or Republicans to

7:31

get his back. He's got all of

7:33

his trips on Trump winning the selection.

7:35

That's what is it. So he's running

7:37

the play where he basically is looking

7:39

for the fight with democrats. probably didn't

7:41

know they were going abstain, acted like

7:43

he surprised and that's all the more

7:45

reason why the U S should doesn't

7:47

need to be acting like were so

7:49

hugging him some half of even though

7:51

we're doing this you know and and

7:53

loss and says that this idea that

7:55

you know he says with me a

7:57

vibrator a policy like the last. Summer. Tommy,

8:00

the United States of America as a sovereign

8:02

nation. I didn't know that we took instructions

8:04

from even And now about how we voted

8:06

in admissions Again, that's all the more reason

8:09

it's an indication of how broken this relationship

8:11

as Toa the he believes he's in a

8:13

position where he gets to tell when a

8:15

Thomas Green feel how to voted the one

8:17

that's abseiling same. Yep! Better My

8:20

River a famous Bill Clinton quo where he

8:22

walked out of our a meeting with Netanyahu

8:24

and he said who the fuck and superpower

8:26

here too much of his aides nearby to

8:28

be with pushing around doesn't leave your to

8:30

your put. I think part of the reason

8:32

the Us. Had to abstain on

8:34

this boat is because we're worried. That.

8:37

The. View on the world is that

8:39

the Un Security council is permanently broken

8:42

and worthless and not even of the

8:44

did people are questioning whether said exist

8:46

anymore and if we're the ones who

8:48

are contributing to that by blocking resolution

8:50

that basically states policy that we mostly

8:53

agree with a were part of the

8:55

problem and and they recognize that. But

8:57

you know that this this rift between

8:59

us in Israel, it's it's. Far.

9:02

Beyond Guys at the moment, I'm Tony.

9:04

Blinken has been a staunch defender of

9:06

Israel sectors states. Went to Tel Aviv

9:09

last week and upon his arrival. Ah,

9:11

Smoker, It's the Finance minister Announced.

9:14

The single largest West Bank land seizures

9:16

since Nineteen Ninety Three. So just a

9:18

a drastic step in the direction of

9:21

increase settlement construction. So there's all these

9:23

I instances happening in close proximity of

9:25

a Israeli and us to fish was

9:27

touching each other the face either through

9:30

actions are words and it's it's not

9:32

that good setup. Yeah,

9:34

it's anti on the count. mystified to

9:36

buy like some. The coverage of this

9:38

is if this is all exciting. The

9:41

did Bill Clinton entered you relayed is

9:43

from thirty years ago. I

9:45

got assists. This is your baby. His

9:47

always been like several threads and he

9:49

hasn't a new bad as gonna in.

9:51

And if you touch with the wrist

9:53

again the rift isn't just about this.

9:56

Un resolutions. the Us and Israel don't

9:58

agree about this. Raf operations Us. Don't

10:00

agree about aid getting into Gaza

10:02

which Israel's obstructions. Us: Israel don't

10:05

agree about whether there should be

10:07

a Palestinian state. The Us and

10:09

Israel don't agree that settlement construction

10:12

in the West Bank up basically.

10:15

Anything. Of this Emily

10:17

government this far right extremists, Israeli

10:19

government's is out of step with

10:21

existing Us policy on just about

10:24

every single issue. That. Is.

10:26

At stake in the relationship. So

10:28

this isn't some short term personality

10:30

break. I mean, as that the

10:32

press loves to cover, this has

10:35

some, you know, Bb

10:37

know. Biden. Bromides,

10:39

the Romero something us when in fact

10:41

it's about real substance and when you

10:44

actually reckon with that, dishes get more

10:46

difficult money's Er physician kind of thing

10:48

where you can lights paper over differences

10:50

between two readers. This is about a

10:52

far right government in Israel that has

10:54

committed a settlement construction. The West Bank

10:56

does been. Committed. To like preventing

10:59

Asus has been getting the word in

11:01

Gaza that is committed to preventing a

11:03

policy and said and and we're gonna

11:05

have to reckon with that as United

11:07

states every job reducing. the recent. Years

11:10

A vapid earlier today that was the

11:12

Israelis withdrew their team from cutter that

11:15

a bit try to negotiate a ceasefire

11:17

in a hostage release or Netanyahu. In

11:19

part blamed the United States for that

11:22

failure to reach a deal. Saying quote

11:24

from Us States clearly demonstrated utter disinterested

11:26

in negotiate a deal and attached to

11:29

the damage done by the Un Security

11:31

Council Resolution I continued. Hamas rebuffed all

11:33

Us offers for a compromise while celebrating

11:36

the Security Council resolution. Get that The

11:38

White House ah responded to. This statement

11:40

by pointing out the Axxeo see

11:42

the Hamas had formulated it's response.

11:45

To this eat odds are the

11:47

latest hostage audio offer before the

11:49

Un vote even occurred. Also are

11:51

you have to the that. The.

11:54

Terms that have been discussed where I get

11:56

according to Access Israel had agreed to a

11:58

six week cease fire. The release of

12:00

seven hundred Palestinian prisoners I'd exchange for

12:03

forty Israeli hostages in Israel also agree

12:05

to gradually allow that two thousand Palestinians

12:07

back into northern Gaza per day, A

12:09

masses demanding a full ceasefire, a withdrawal

12:12

of Israeli troops out of Gaza in

12:14

the return a to civilians to northern

12:16

Gaza in the prisoner release so pretty

12:18

far apart in both cases but they're

12:21

also some Israeli officials in is actually

12:23

a story. To said it's

12:25

Netanyahu. didn't give it and go cheaters enough

12:27

latitude to make a deal. He figured they

12:29

could just squeeze them. Ah and they were

12:31

pointing the finger at him for this failure

12:33

so I don't. Terrible new sell for like

12:35

the hostages in their families. Yeah,

12:37

I'm not an ear again and a

12:39

lot. Ceasefire? Yes yeah it is rough

12:41

operations and school and. I

12:43

just don't know. You know what that

12:45

means to the hostages, what that means

12:48

for Odyssey to people now sets in

12:50

and now keep saying he's gonna do

12:52

it and I I again I just

12:54

I don't understand. I think part

12:56

of what many hours during his time

12:58

to show with this kind of you

13:00

know tantrum about this city council resolutions

13:02

that if we begin to. Turn

13:05

up some press pass on hims it is

13:07

not gonna work. Now. I

13:09

think we think the answer to that. As

13:12

noom your her Bernie is actually more

13:14

of it, more pressure. you know, like

13:16

cutting off military assistance. Full stop? I

13:18

don't wanna. I don't think the United

13:20

States should be arming a government that

13:22

is starving. Ah, Noom.

13:24

Children and does S N N Again,

13:26

I don't big. if Netanyahu didn't care

13:28

about the pressure, he wouldn't. Freak.

13:31

Out so much about the city council

13:33

resolution is sexy demonstrations that they are

13:35

concerned about it you know and so

13:37

to me like I don't think we

13:39

should allow ourselves can bully back into

13:41

doing whatever Bibi Netanyahu once has to

13:43

be doing a the U with no

13:45

resistance. I think the point is we

13:48

need to stand behind our positions and

13:50

I hope we see more added. Add

13:52

some know buttons. And then he

13:54

owes us or for the under a lot of political pressure. Over.

13:57

Are some proposed law changes?

14:00

That could force ultra orthodox Israelis to

14:02

do compulsory military service currently there exempt,

14:04

but that is becoming completely untenable as

14:06

reservists are called up for longer and

14:08

longer periods of time I had as

14:10

the ultra Orthodox population grows. but if

14:12

Netanyahu remove the exemption, he could lose

14:14

the support of is far right minister.

14:16

So I think people think that might

14:18

be in the back of his head.

14:20

But then I mean. Any player

14:22

Netanyahu might have to turn on Biden completely

14:25

and co all in for Trump got a

14:27

little more complicated or after a recent interview

14:29

Trump did with this free widely distributed Israeli

14:31

newspaper called I Israel Home which is owned

14:34

by the family of the late right wing

14:36

billionaire Sheldon Adelson is basically known to do

14:38

puff pieces on Netanyahu. So this is the

14:40

part of the interview that race a lot

14:43

eyebrows. Here's a clip a you have to

14:45

finish up your he has to finish it

14:47

up he that to get it done. And

14:50

I'm sure you do that. And

14:53

we're going to get to peace. He can have

14:55

this going on and I will say Israel has

14:57

to be very careful because you're losing a lot

14:59

of the world. you're losing a lot of support

15:01

the have to finish up the have to get

15:03

the job done and he has to get on

15:06

to peace to like classic trump Brady says yet

15:08

the finish the job which you could interpret as

15:10

go into Rafa but he also implies that he

15:12

wants a war. Over. But yeah, it

15:14

was interesting. That. The full interview that

15:16

out yet. The put it ten minutes of

15:18

it. but Trump spends a lot of time

15:21

attacking democrats for criticizing Israel, but he never

15:23

says Bb has my full support, never says

15:25

we gotta give him what he needs to

15:27

finish the job. Do whatever it takes. It's

15:29

not like a full throated endorsements. What? what?

15:31

What did you make of this. You.

15:34

Know. Interview. Is clip. I

15:37

see what I make of it. is it. Netanyahu,

15:41

The. Israeli right wing. Would.

15:43

Be making a big mistake it's

15:46

to put all their eggs in

15:48

the trump basket. This is a

15:50

mans like basically soon everybody. Under

15:53

the bus, you know? Some

15:55

some new and B C news

15:57

contributor on the Daniel. The

16:00

to see I can't I think if

16:02

yeah well maybe it's to did the

16:04

world beaters that he was friends with

16:06

and then add fundamentalists he is still

16:08

mad a bb for not backing him

16:11

up on the big lives and generous

16:13

at your then election results. He kind

16:15

of his bb as I got a

16:17

rhino or something because it in got

16:19

hacked vs the idea that did bite

16:22

and I didn't win the election and

16:24

said this this notion that you're gonna

16:26

be. Totally. Isolated right

16:28

from a basically the entire.

16:31

At every govern in the world. Essentially

16:34

if the U S is moving to

16:36

the direction and movie and inserted answer

16:38

because you're counting on. Both. Down

16:40

some to win the election and and down some

16:42

to. You. Know be your security

16:44

bug in the world. This is just

16:46

not a guy that I I've been

16:48

reliance and by the way the fact

16:50

that it keeps saying is anti semitic

16:52

things about. Your. How he couldn't

16:54

imagine how Jews could ever like vote

16:57

for anybody except him because of you

16:59

know, Chuck Schumer speech about Israel or

17:01

something at suggesting by the way that.

17:04

American Jews like. Are

17:06

basically not for American? this is

17:08

they votes truly based on on

17:10

Israel. that to would make me

17:12

question whether this is demands that

17:14

we want to put our faith

17:16

and security. So I'm like yeah

17:19

like it. Like.

17:21

it's definitely like know there's a com green light

17:23

on Rafa Like you said, go finish the job

17:25

But I'm not sure that this is the an.

17:28

The long term insurance policy than I would

17:30

once. If I was the said visitor I

17:32

think I'd I'd rather have some idea of

17:34

Joe Biden, who actually seems to care about

17:36

the Siege of Israel for something other than

17:39

his own political purposes. Yes, That's

17:41

a love fest that are Trump gives the Xi

17:43

Jinping or Viktor Orban. that's for damn sure or

17:45

then Trump was has also ask do you plan

17:48

to visit Israel That was the question. Like three

17:50

sentences into the answer he says quote here we

17:52

have a lot of people United States are Jewish

17:54

for the actually fight Israel. look at the New

17:56

York Times is a Jewish family I think they

17:59

hate Israel away. In interview he said the

18:01

Biden Harris quotes support The Enemy I'm This

18:03

was his explanation for how October Seven tap

18:05

into used to clip. There. Was a

18:07

horrible attacks. But. It was. It's

18:09

an attack that I blame on Vinyl because

18:11

they have no respect for him. He

18:14

can put two sentences together. We can talk

18:16

is a very dumb person. Is a dumb

18:18

person. Apparently. That's.

18:20

Why I'm us wanted to attack Israel know

18:23

the risk is just. Biden.

18:25

Speaking style I guess. Yeah,

18:27

we'll just have analysis or I mean but

18:29

again, like the answer to even the October

18:31

Seven question would still be the one where

18:34

you can shows meant to be for Israel

18:36

right? All. He pivots uses on political

18:38

interests you know, totally trashed and you're buying

18:40

like. Memo To people who

18:42

think that this is your friend. This guy

18:44

doesn't care about anything but himself and his

18:46

own interests. Of this is Not your friend.

18:49

No. No, your friends are just

18:51

a few things are keeping an

18:53

eye on. So first the by

18:55

demonstration is reviewing set of Israeli

18:57

assurances that Us weapons are being

18:59

used in accordance with Us and

19:01

international law. A groups are seventeen

19:03

democrats in the senate say absolutely

19:05

not No they aren't hotness milky,

19:08

nobody with two eyes. yeah animals

19:10

are near times. Not as the

19:12

hardest review to pull often it

19:14

it shouldn't be eyeball. see a

19:16

President Biden Ah decides the Colossus

19:18

weapons transfers also are that. Build a

19:20

Just Pass to keep the government oh

19:22

been cut off funding to Unwra until

19:24

March of Twenty Twenty Five. That's the

19:26

you are an organization that employs thirteen

19:28

thousand people in Gaza. it distributes was

19:30

the assistance or over the weekend. Israeli

19:32

government also said they will no longer

19:34

allow Unwra to bring food aid into

19:36

northern Gaza so the future of the

19:38

entire organization is quite unclear or that

19:40

Us funding bill though it did include

19:43

another three point eight million in military

19:45

since Israel and then finally been. Yeah,

19:47

we talked so much about the humanitarian

19:49

situation. We talked about how Israeli invasion of

19:51

Russia could make it exponentially worse. I just did

19:53

want to point out that like while there hasn't

19:55

been a full scale invasion of Rafa, even though

19:58

run dumber at a top and that yeah I

20:00

weighed was on the record today saying it's gonna

20:02

happen, the idea is still targeting Rafa with airstrikes

20:04

as we speak so the people there are hardly

20:06

save. Is that a safe haven? It's just there

20:09

hasn't been a full scale ground and base and

20:11

just of thugs know we're talking about. yeah, no

20:13

money. I want to. Pick. Up

20:15

on there is that unroped is because

20:17

this is really good task. And

20:20

shame on. And. On

20:23

let's just talk to them of that

20:25

serves as a matter how many republicans

20:28

a similar listeners so but lights at.

20:31

The idea that when there's a

20:33

salmon. That. Risks killing

20:35

thousands of children. The idea that

20:38

your performed of we voting to.

20:41

Ban. Assistance to the.

20:43

Number. One, two, three, Four and

20:46

Five. Best way to get assistance the

20:48

people in Gaza. Is.

20:50

It, It's ridiculous. I mean it is like

20:52

that. there's no just station for. I mean

20:54

how even a seal as you look back

20:57

a year from now. And realize

20:59

the thousands of children died because

21:01

you know you were afraid to

21:03

take a stand and say you

21:05

know what we should be cutting

21:07

off aid to the did basically

21:09

the only a delivery mechanism that

21:11

it than works in Gaza. Because

21:14

they're a handful people out of tens

21:17

of thousands who work with Unwra who

21:19

are alleged to be part of October

21:21

Seventh, something that you should investigate, Something

21:23

she gets to the bottom of something

21:25

we can hold of. Runners had been

21:27

turning this often now. It's.

21:29

The worst thing about. Congressional.

21:31

Politics on this issue.it doesn't make any

21:34

sense. It's immoral up and people should

21:36

know better. And in the sky as

21:38

breathes like our his colleagues, Seward, you're

21:41

not moving to where he is. How

21:43

are they rationalize in these. Positions.

21:46

Because. This. This should

21:48

not be a close call, and yet

21:51

you know this kind of stuff

21:53

continues to sail through Congress along with

21:55

doing the dollars in military assistance.

21:57

And you can't say you're concerned about

21:59

humanitarian situation while voting to cut

22:01

off the capacity to address it. Yeah

22:05

they deserve really frustrating to see

22:07

have slowly or the Us government's

22:09

reacted to this. Horrifying.

22:11

Evolving situation but more on that next

22:13

week. So then or other Big story

22:15

this week is this horrible terrorist attack

22:17

in Moscow last Friday or the killed

22:19

one hundred thirty nine people and injured

22:21

over one hundred for gunmen from to

22:23

Duke is Dan burst into a concert

22:25

hall and opened fire Concert goers with

22:27

automatic weapons and then they douse the

22:29

venue with flammable liquid in set fire

22:31

to the venue itself as they escaped

22:33

or Isis K took responsibility for the

22:35

attack are in use. Hackers uploaded grizzly

22:37

videos of them ask her to Isis

22:39

social media channels. There have been

22:42

eleven arrest since Friday, including the for

22:44

gunmen who appeared in court on Sunday

22:46

looking like they just had the shit

22:48

kicked out of them are one of

22:50

them was in a wheelchair. He appeared

22:52

to be unresponsive to conversation or questioning.

22:54

There's videos of these guys being tortured

22:56

that have appeared in the Russian media,

22:58

including one guy a part of his

23:00

your cut off by his interrogator who

23:02

tried to then feed it to him.

23:05

Initially, Vladimir Putin and Dad more on

23:07

Twitter like David Sachs try to blame

23:09

this terrorist attack on Ukraine. But

23:11

that line became untenable after Isis a

23:13

credit I and released video evidence that

23:15

they are behind it. Prudent has since

23:17

said the attack was carried out by

23:19

court radical islamist but he still suggesting

23:21

the Ukraine or the West would actually

23:24

responsible somehow. So that narrative for food

23:26

and is he up Deeply complicated by

23:28

the fact that the Us embassy in

23:30

Moscow issued a security alert on March

23:32

Seventh warning that extremists had him in

23:34

a plans to attack large gatherings in

23:36

Moscow including concerts. Their timing was a

23:39

bit off the the obviously like. Had

23:41

the gist of it down. prudent. dismissed

23:43

a warning before the attack actually happened

23:45

as an attempt to intimidate and destabilize

23:47

Russia. So then I think there's like

23:49

two big. Policy. Conversation to come

23:51

out of this the first is how food is

23:53

likely to respond in the second is just as

23:55

growing threat. My says case for think the food

23:57

and part first. Pretty much every expert you see

23:59

see. The think that he's gonna use

24:01

this as a pretext to crack down

24:03

on just to every decide to says enemy

24:06

that could include Ukraine critics in politics. Key

24:08

Bite: reinstate the death penalty to end

24:10

up killing off these Isis guys are does

24:12

appear even more hardline couldn't as this

24:14

history is a big we spinning his own

24:16

security failings for political gain their even people

24:19

who believe that the Fsb was pied

24:21

a series of apartment bombings in Russia nineteen

24:23

Ninety nine the kind of paved to his

24:25

way into that into power do grew

24:27

that brought us has been would he think.

24:30

We should be watching. In terms of like how Russia

24:32

reacts. Yeah I think in

24:34

in in the past right? like he.

24:37

In I mean there's a lot

24:39

a smoker and that conspiracy to

24:41

seats does actually fired and the

24:43

Fsb was like caught like planning

24:45

stuff in these i'm buildings and

24:47

prudence know not just in those

24:50

attacks but even in bomber clearly

24:52

you know at other types of

24:54

is is almost attacks in their

24:56

shirts and the best lawn school

24:58

attack the most notable one that

25:00

when they took a whole bunch

25:02

of children, hostages and hundreds and

25:04

again shield and this kind of

25:06

heavy handed russian. Military sponsor put

25:08

an end up using that as

25:11

a pretext to do things like

25:13

cancelled the door direct election of

25:15

darkness enough in, so there's a

25:17

pattern of him using his own

25:19

sturdy failures like you said, to

25:21

just. Add more, even

25:23

more onerous crackdowns and so would

25:25

I be looking for his. Does

25:27

he expand this time to tell

25:29

turn control the states? And does

25:31

he use this as a pretext

25:33

to crackdowns? not just on your

25:36

potential. New People Nexus Tyson spent

25:38

anybody that he deems a political points

25:40

above and beyond what is already than

25:42

done you know and I think that's

25:44

quite possible. Mike Lee Sin. The other

25:46

thing I want some is I don't

25:48

think this torture thing is a sideshow.

25:50

I think this is Canada Point. Yeah

25:52

yeah, me too. These videos found their

25:54

way and a telegram channels are controlled

25:56

by Russian nationalists the government. One of

25:58

these videos out and. Yeah, you

26:00

got like and a guy in

26:02

a wheelchair with like a bag

26:04

of his own piss on a

26:06

catheter and then another guy with

26:08

a good year missing. This isn't

26:10

a message, not just said terrorists.

26:12

This is like what could happen

26:14

any political opponents at a restaurant

26:17

house and it's deeply deeply messed

26:19

up. I mean this is a

26:21

degree of of sadism that that

26:23

I just have never seen before.

26:25

You know x I worry about

26:27

a society that is this darts.

26:29

You know it. Just kind of where's

26:31

that going One of the of only people

26:33

had a good line which is like today.

26:35

It's that terrorism suspects some are to be

26:37

journalists, they could be any opposition figures and

26:39

sizing part of the porn years is this

26:42

time. Absolute brutality. The gonna

26:44

goes gun anything I can remember.

26:46

you know, See much

26:48

since that? they're just kind of advertising the

26:50

stuff. So to that to me it's It's

26:53

a. Pretty dark harbinger of

26:55

like we exactly where is where Russia is

26:57

now onwards guy. He. Obviously have

26:59

no love lost for Isis or at

27:01

night terrorists in general but the cut

27:03

of suspects iraq and try to see

27:05

determining that suggests the level of like

27:07

brutality and. Brute. How I mean

27:09

this just a sec. It's idiotic things. his emphasis

27:12

a good thing to do that. yeah and not

27:14

because you're even address hims exec. I just like

27:16

it's is showing that there's no norms anymore in

27:18

this could happen to anybody in Russia sides to

27:20

do it. So. Let's talk

27:23

about Isis care and they are based

27:25

out of Afghanistan. The organization has been

27:27

around for about a decade. It's known

27:29

for it's brutality, it's or for staging

27:31

attacks inside Afghanistan. It outside of Afghanistan.

27:33

Those include this reason Moscow tact we

27:36

just discussed. But in Twenty Twenty two,

27:38

they attacked the Russian embassy in Kabul.

27:40

Eyetoy seventeen Isis a credit for an

27:42

attack in St. Petersburg a thing in

27:44

the metro, and twenty fifteen Isis to

27:46

credit for blowing up a charter flight

27:49

carrying tourists back to Russia from Egypt

27:51

arm. So there. Is a history of

27:53

Isis going after Russians in particular or

27:55

Islamic extremist groups have long vowed revenge

27:57

for Russia's Carter bombing of Syria for

28:00

Russian crackdowns on Muslims in the Northern

28:02

Caucasus area I and even the Soviet

28:04

occupation of Afghanistan even further back to

28:06

La to grievances air the beyond just

28:09

attacks on Russians Isis K was responsible

28:11

for the abbey get attacked by the

28:13

end of the Us draw from Afghanistan

28:15

they staged at a recent major attack

28:18

and Iran the attack on the Bottom

28:20

Line theater in Paris, the bombing at

28:22

the Ariana Grande Day concert in England

28:24

so bad I saw rate for we

28:26

came in. The Bbc reported a Turkey

28:29

is attained about forty suspects in connection

28:31

with this Moscow attack. I guess to

28:33

of the suspects were in Turkey's recently

28:35

as February as they're trying to figure

28:38

out there some sort of sell their

28:40

some other nexus. I

28:42

don't mean obviously support ending the war

28:44

in Afghanistan, but it's very scary to

28:46

know that these guys have a safe

28:48

haven. Afghanistan dell mean unlike outside a

28:51

pre Nine Eleven, Isis in, the Taliban

28:53

are sworn enemies that attack and kill

28:55

each other. Ah, but it is still

28:57

fighting. is you know the the head

28:59

of Sent. Com. Told. Ah,

29:01

House Congressional Committee that Isis cakewalks retains

29:03

the capability in the will to attack

29:05

Us and Western interests abroad in as

29:08

little as six months with little or

29:10

no warning to scare stuff. Yeah, I'm

29:12

in and to give people time back

29:14

on a banana. When I first became

29:16

familiar with this. Group.

29:19

Back and twenty fifteen when

29:21

u like first winning the

29:23

syrian. Against Isis.

29:25

This was actually I think one

29:28

of the first targets that us

29:30

airstrikes in Syria and the reason

29:32

why is it like on tell

29:34

this to Me back then assessed

29:36

at within the U underneath abroad

29:38

and brown eyes of slights this

29:40

was their collection of people. They

29:42

were focused on external plotting rights

29:44

As you had the Isis, it

29:46

was really focus on time governing

29:48

this. The fact of state in

29:50

Iraq in in Syria and siding on

29:52

the ground their against very nice Iraqi

29:55

security forces Syrians. the U S buddies

29:57

were the people that wacky more like

29:59

Al Qaeda you stack like you know

30:01

that this there was more your eyes

30:03

as was acting like I'm kind of

30:05

they were can hold territory it's Isis

30:08

case. they were trying to set up

30:10

the kind of franchise it was focus

30:12

on the success plotting and they clearly

30:14

on around and of whether lots and

30:16

they're now. We're ramping up that activity

30:18

and it's hard to say how much

30:21

of that is because maybe the ever

30:23

more breathing room in Afghanistan. I think

30:25

that's something to dig into His to

30:27

that there's no it is this something

30:29

that. Is emanating from Afghanistan. or

30:31

they effectively franchise. And they're in

30:33

places like Turkey. they're still in

30:36

Syria. They're operating globally. I think

30:38

the of they're clearly the preeminent

30:40

you know external terrorist threat out

30:42

there and the as a man

30:44

rush. I'd say that. When

30:47

Russia was carpet bombing Syria I think there

30:50

are a lot of warnings and married and

30:52

back to the bomb years we're winning Rochelle

30:54

and hey this is gonna come back to

30:56

you guys So and a didn't right away

30:58

and so bunch of liberal I go see

31:00

like yeah they're still just focus on the

31:03

Us know know these people have memories, they're

31:05

pretty long memories and they have a lot

31:07

of reasons to be targeting Russia and said

31:09

this is something that could continue to kind

31:11

of creep into into Russia to creep into

31:14

places like Chechnya aware of see they've been

31:16

pretty bruins pressing any any. Any dissent

31:18

or any opposition. but but this is

31:20

to seems like this is gonna part

31:22

of the tears landscape for the foreseeable

31:24

future. Yeah. Make a good

31:26

news from her Us or Western perspective is

31:29

clearly the you're still has some intelligence on

31:31

these guys and yeah specific plot and they

31:33

tried to warn the Russians are quitting your

31:35

privately telling their intelligence services under this duty

31:38

to warn that the Us Intelligence Committee operates

31:40

under where we have warned countries like Russia

31:42

warned Iran about impending Isis plots but ah

31:44

it's so pretty scary. You're right that that

31:46

these guys are this focus on external plotting

31:49

because you know not all tears cursor like

31:51

that some of them are just focused on

31:53

your region or country or calif it in

31:55

their words. Ah but not Isis gay

31:57

and we should say like this is in a.

32:00

The Mutters Any information? The Richest

32:02

people? Nasa: this should be profoundly

32:04

embarrassing. The Poodle Smith, it's still

32:06

live. I know what. I'm on

32:08

the Us Embassy website, a bad

32:10

Isis attacks and are basically indicating

32:12

me a terrorist acts which is

32:14

suggested Isis at concerts and this

32:16

enough and he dismissed it publicly.

32:18

At the time you know Mcdonalds

32:20

and So Lucky Made. In

32:23

in the idea that this is these guys

32:25

were going to go into Ukraine to as

32:27

the best an easy thing to do as

32:29

if it's easy to get from Moscow and

32:31

cross like the front line and Ukraine like

32:33

it. know that really made sense those ever

32:35

lane Ukraine that ridiculous I don't know the

32:37

heat and like escalate things against Ukraine. Given

32:41

what is already doing they're which has been

32:43

pretty bad the last few weeks of the

32:45

tax in the power grid so I dunno.

32:47

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32:49

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32:51

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38:15

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38:22

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38:29

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38:42

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38:48

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Hong Kong as calling for one country two

39:06

systems were there. They have their own separate

39:08

system with their own than a more relaxed

39:10

approach to civil liberties and people might say

39:12

why thought this is dealt with I thought

39:15

through these national study was past couple years

39:17

ago those were passed by. The.

39:19

Beijing Government right? This is the

39:21

Hong Kong legislature and the hands

39:24

on chief executive passing this loss.

39:26

Everything you know, This passed

39:29

unanimously in the allegedly democratic legislature

39:31

of Hong Kong. We know that

39:33

there's not unanimous opinion in support

39:35

of in the house and on

39:37

counts because just a couple years

39:39

ago, there were like hundreds of

39:42

thousands of people protesting against exactly

39:44

this. So it really matters because

39:46

this is the Hong Kong government

39:48

aligning it's approach to national security

39:50

with the Communist Party in China.

39:52

This is. Them. Doing it

39:54

unanimously which is sending a message that there's

39:57

no room for to send. There's a lot

39:59

of ambiguity. Tommy that is like what does

40:01

it mean? What is treason? What? What's a

40:03

what's the conversation that I can have a

40:05

foreigner? What's a political activity I can engage

40:08

in. What's speech I can engage in like

40:10

is if I do something and private on

40:12

my phone is someone gonna find out about

40:14

a bomb in prison? The ambiguities. The point

40:16

it's meant to have read on. Chilling effect.

40:19

Said it like self. And

40:21

it's worked in an ill. The people that

40:23

used to send up these things in the

40:26

media their on prison. We talked about Apple

40:28

Daily and that the publisher of that. Which

40:30

was like the last remaining independent media

40:32

voiced while he's looking at yeah, the

40:35

rest of his life potentially in jail.

40:37

Sadly, I think it's a sign that. You

40:40

know, the Communist party, as can a

40:42

fully swallowed up any notion of Hong

40:44

Kong having a independence. Now there's still

40:47

some differences. It's this song. we'd have

40:49

an economic system and you know, Adam

40:52

is more English speaking in non

40:54

gone but like Francis and purposes.

40:57

Did the vibe there is is one

40:59

that yeah this is now a Chinese

41:01

city and him in the same way

41:04

the Shanghai is and there's not. This

41:06

can separate. Space

41:08

for for for more freedoms. Damn.

41:10

Travis Adam you think about the practice room

41:13

and several years ago and how hope for

41:15

itself at times but mean I'm I'm sure

41:17

Taiwan is watching and aim it at are

41:19

many others in the reason I taught me

41:21

I just surreal experience of flying from Hong

41:24

Kong and Taipei you know and what's real

41:26

about that is now there's this kind of

41:28

cloud obviously over Taiwan and and you go

41:30

there from Hong Kong and you're like. You

41:33

see where the dilemma facing the Taiwanese which

41:35

is eggs if we make a deal with

41:37

China. We. Could end up. You

41:39

know, like on Kong they could promises one

41:41

country two systems are? You know how that

41:44

ends Origami? Until China we could get invaded

41:46

and and in I just have a tremendous

41:48

amount of sympathy and finish he for the

41:51

Taiwanese trying to figure this out. Yeah.

41:53

Me too up to big political

41:55

resignations. A wonderful I'd been. So

41:57

the first is in Vietnam where

41:59

press. Bob on Tongue stepped down

42:01

last week for violating Communist party regulations

42:03

which we don't totally know what it

42:05

means, but it seems to mean corruption

42:07

of the the position of the presidency

42:10

in Vietnam. It's largely ceremonial. the real

42:12

power rests in the hands of the

42:14

leader of the communist party, but the

42:16

president does represent Vietnam in meetings of

42:18

foreign leaders, and Von Tongue was seen

42:20

as first in line. be on the

42:22

next party leader to the big chains

42:24

for him to get pushed out, or

42:26

he's also the second Vietnamese president to

42:28

resign in tears and midst. A broader

42:30

crack on corruption the dates back to

42:33

Twenty sixteen Of the second major resignation

42:35

comes at Ireland where Prime Minister Lee

42:37

override car announced his resignation. Here's a

42:39

clip from his speech and resigning as

42:41

present leaders and again today I will

42:43

resign As he said as soon as

42:46

the successors able to take it that

42:48

obvious my for stepping down are both

42:50

personal and political and I promise I

42:52

keep working on and on. Much me

42:54

as he is anywhere at has his

42:57

address to visit another in Ireland they

42:59

call the prime minister the T sect

43:01

of rec are was the first openly

43:03

gay, the first multi ethnic. He second

43:05

history successor will be a thirty seven

43:08

year old guy named same and Harris

43:10

of the Fine Gael party That a

43:12

lot of political analysts thing for Our

43:14

cars resignation was tied to that recent

43:16

failed effort we talked about to update

43:18

Ireland's constitution. Between making less sexist or

43:21

but I'm curious if you have thoughts

43:23

on the and their these pretty significant

43:25

changes. For the

43:27

be on one and mean does

43:29

not turn over the snow using

43:32

these jobs like right It's older

43:34

people that have been around forever

43:36

and so he does. His speech

43:38

is involved selling on his party

43:40

some maneuvering. Obviously corruption is but

43:42

the real thing and something deep

43:44

weaponized so is Ios. This could

43:46

be generation changes taking place is

43:48

it has been watching their because

43:50

I'm obviously been an increase in

43:52

foreign countries. And Ireland I

43:54

i think era I mean I read a bad

43:56

this a bunch. As.

43:59

A friend of Iowa the end

44:01

he does is gonna feel like

44:04

this guy was a little burned

44:06

out but also that this cancer

44:08

some referendum was is. Pretty.

44:11

Miss an old he was gonna have

44:13

asses exists for everybody involved in it.

44:15

Kind of screwed up and you know

44:17

he may have gotten to the point

44:20

where. It in a use

44:22

wasn't drawings fast by corporate nuts and is a

44:24

wealth of a young guy though is already made

44:26

up like a comeback. I.

44:29

Did was sit on the like don't you feel

44:31

been is like some thirty seven year old is

44:33

cited my down Trina it's outrageous and yeah but

44:36

I'm for I'm am glad it's happening. It is

44:38

Macys organ old I like it but I had

44:40

a purse or yeah yeah sad to see him

44:42

leave busy seem like I'm excited person migrated we

44:45

buffet of people that that new record personally and

44:47

or press by amazon is a good person. So

44:49

yes it sucks to see good people leave politics.

44:51

yeah hopefully on my not be his last act.

44:54

you know. But you're

44:56

right, like there's something near did you

44:58

keep seems younger people. Kind of

45:00

burning out on politics pretty fast, and

45:02

let's hope that that's not at Santa

45:05

Permits and. Yeah. But

45:07

there was some good news at a

45:09

Senegal ban. On Monday the incoming President

45:11

Mackey Sol conceded defeat to our opposition

45:13

leader a bus hero D M I

45:15

Five Keys a forty four year old

45:17

former tax inspector kind of came outta

45:19

nowhere I see have been arrested last

45:22

year use only release from prison on

45:24

March fourteenth as pretty remarkable this guy

45:26

minister when there was a lot of

45:28

concern now that Senegal was about to

45:30

go from a pretty stable democracy to

45:32

the latest country in the region of

45:34

all victim to a cool. Or just you

45:37

know, a president that wouldn't leave. So some good news

45:39

here. The we're going to have a a democratic transition.

45:42

Yeah. I mean he of

45:44

maggie saw kind of reversed himself.

45:46

yeah for saying he wasn't. One

45:50

several reversals after saying he wasn't.

45:53

Gonna run again. He kind of

45:55

mean a power grab but then

45:57

let this go forward. The

46:00

wine is is a good thing that

46:02

they had the election. It's.

46:04

Know it's a good thing that

46:06

I'm Maggie Saw and Eight the

46:09

ruling party has agreed to abide

46:11

by the results that Samsung and

46:14

happens with great frequency nap part

46:16

of West Africa and again assuming

46:18

that holds. I. Think it's

46:20

a real credit to Senegal that the other

46:23

democracies gonna holding them for that. you can

46:25

have this transition of power back and forth

46:27

between political parties. I would hope that the

46:30

part of one doesn't seek retribution but actually

46:32

governs in that that respected the peace or

46:34

censor power or and it shows it underneath

46:36

the surface of these coups which have a

46:39

lot of factors behind them including some foreign

46:41

interference including lot of frustration with. The

46:44

know exercising around in Cook And

46:46

yes, the second snippets agree. it

46:48

fixes. Maybe it's. That

46:51

there's a democratic culture, the ones who

46:53

assert itself right and so that's a

46:55

good thing and we should. We should

46:57

celebrate that in and noted now let's

46:59

see what happens and let's hope that

47:01

continues in carries over into the new

47:03

administration of Senegal is critically important country

47:05

and and and in their bucking the

47:07

trend thus far and that's a good

47:09

thing. Depth. As big of

47:11

a democracy asserting itself and and recriminations

47:13

for the past. So with there's might

47:15

remember that in January Twenty Forty three,

47:18

Brazil face it zones or January Six

47:20

style insurrection when supporters of President Jarvis

47:22

in our Our stormed the Federal government

47:25

buildings in Brasilia, the capital and just

47:27

ransacked the place up. Since that time,

47:29

ah boss and our our has gotten

47:31

out of office but he has been

47:34

hit with a bunch of criminal investigations

47:36

for corruption for falsifying vaccine records and

47:38

potentially this coup plot. I'm on

47:41

Monday. The New York Times reported that

47:43

four days after to of Boston are

47:45

as aides were arrested for plotting a

47:47

coup pasa are oh himself sought sanctuary

47:49

in the Hungarian embassy in Brazil where

47:51

he can't be arrested be is the

47:53

the grounds are legally off limits. The

47:55

Times reviewed both the security camera footage

47:57

from this the embassy building and satellite

48:00

photos of the embassy grounds you could

48:02

see Sportscenter. I was car still parked

48:04

there for some need a story since

48:06

we left and he's confirmed to the

48:08

press that use at the embassy but

48:10

said he was just there to to

48:12

talk politics with uncaring diplomats vegas for

48:14

given today's sleep over to talk politics

48:16

but then we have talked a lot

48:19

of times and the show about this

48:21

weird nexus of right wing politicians. It's

48:23

the U S, it's Brazil, it's Viktor

48:25

Orban in Hungary, it's El Salvador. but

48:27

this one just like jumped out at

48:29

me as next level because I mean

48:31

basically use you know if anyone has

48:33

seen what lethal weapon movie was it

48:35

like diplomatic immunity that as a to

48:38

try to hide like a sign style

48:40

and side and the see rousing sons

48:42

and Ecuadorian embassy yes. The. Previously bizarre

48:44

was just chilling and not Orlando Florida about three

48:46

months i guess get pushed out of there but

48:48

I just a weird story that was worth like.

48:51

Mana Yang These activities A China

48:53

taken refuge in my luggage, you

48:55

know, and and and and in.

48:58

I. To say like that were bombed. Play

49:00

here. Putting

49:02

himself at the vanguard of this

49:04

group of creepy right wing nationalists

49:07

and it really didn't go quite

49:09

validated among these gases and strange

49:11

stature in the Star Wars bar

49:13

of these are my guys, But

49:17

I think it just is yet

49:19

another that appointed. We should keep pointing

49:21

out that this really is a

49:23

group of like minded fellow travelers. and

49:26

it's a it's a pretty big club

49:28

and growing clubs. and it's It's

49:30

also like geographically diverse right? So. You

49:33

know is this is not just. Or

49:36

bond. gonna see pack and hang

49:38

out with Americans. help against it

49:40

reaches down to Brazil and reaches

49:42

you know ended up a bit

49:44

and Argentina reaches out to like

49:46

the Philippines so I can detach

49:48

hey. There's

49:50

a global collapse in a very like minded

49:53

people invested in one of the success and

49:55

it's easier to laugh and make fun of

49:57

because it's funny and these people are. Ridiculous.

50:00

But it's also quite serious. Kiss

50:02

their been. you're pretty politically viable

50:04

and resilient. And a Garlic or

50:07

Bonnie's kind of the Mussolini, The

50:09

crowd rights the first mover. And

50:11

in. And yeah, that's something that

50:13

I degrees continue to call out.

50:16

Definitely. to more correct story so last

50:18

week then we discussed be. Sued.

50:21

Proliferation of conspiracy theories surrounding Kate Middleton

50:23

the Ah disappearance in mid seen in

50:25

public since December we covered that story

50:27

because Kensington Palace released is very obviously

50:29

photoshopped picture of Kate and her family

50:31

which sent the internet and over drive

50:33

ins are made it a story with

50:35

covering up on Friday can see the

50:37

shared a video of Kate informing the

50:39

public that she had been diagnosed with

50:41

cancer following a planned a domino surgery

50:43

and it's use in the early stages

50:45

of prevented chemotherapy. Here's a clip from

50:47

that video. This. Of course came

50:50

as a huge. Shock and willimon.

50:52

I've been doing everything we can to

50:54

process and manage this class any at

50:56

the sake of I on Sunday. As

50:59

he can imagine, this has happened to me. It.

51:02

Has taken need to find success

51:04

a major surgery in order to

51:06

sell to halt that. Most importantly,

51:08

it has taken Sign Sixteen. Everything's

51:11

had to salicylate and a way

51:13

that's a Patriots fan. And

51:15

to reassure them that and and staircase. They

51:18

say that you will understand that as

51:20

a Sunday we now dance and sign

51:23

space and. Have a seat while I

51:25

can sit. Licenses. So.

51:27

Obviously which are the best scary

51:29

serious thing ah in Ben, I'm

51:31

sure the internet. Will. Learned it's lesson

51:33

this time for good. Yeah,

51:37

I'm in. Turns out

51:39

like the more obvious

51:41

explanation for absence. Was.

51:44

True, and I'll be the worst

51:47

case of those possibilities And we

51:49

still don't know. Exactly

51:51

what your diagnosis is and Charles's as

51:53

I guess only me add. Add to

51:56

this beyond this is being sad and

51:58

it being yet another confirmation. Internet.

52:00

Conspiracy. Theories are Sir Terry whenever

52:03

you hear or see in every any

52:05

coverage the term internet Sleuths I now

52:07

that that's almost all citizens to crowdsource

52:09

investigations are fully saying it's like is

52:11

so and every once in awhile they

52:13

get something rape of. Way more often

52:15

than not the absolutely screw over some

52:17

innocent person in the worst possible way.

52:19

In this case it was like accusing

52:21

her husband an infidelity and accusing her

52:23

of getting a Brazilian but left when

52:25

really she's getting licensing. M O therapy.

52:27

yeah but I yeah gets worse in

52:30

there. At. The only point I'd

52:32

make. Don't like you we joke about

52:34

them are a lot yourselves and you.

52:37

You feel bad about that when you see something like this.

52:39

But the series point is. I. Do

52:41

think part of the problem is just

52:44

it's not clear what this institution is

52:46

anymore. You know, a little insane that

52:48

to be critical of the incision or

52:50

of sunni of kittens moments it's just

52:52

like is it. What

52:54

is it you know because I guess

52:56

you know debates about what what What

52:58

said she had to share subject to

53:00

share what her diagnosis is in or

53:02

nod and and again this is not

53:04

to put any this on her particularly

53:06

or or even Charles that mannered cysts

53:08

brings weird place where do they have

53:10

a political roads are is in reality

53:12

show like I think part of like

53:14

the strangeness of all this is just

53:16

this kind of insist that clear anymore.

53:19

What? The royal family is the

53:21

queen's an abridged is older when

53:23

they really were like new, the

53:25

symbolic kind of had of state

53:27

and function. Now it's not.

53:29

I just don't know what the royal families

53:31

at this point we have an area where

53:33

Bruce were card trying to figure that out.

53:36

nuts I think part of why this is

53:38

a weird and and I'm actually I'm not

53:40

defending the Pr shop because it's I saw

53:42

lot of people there were like. Near

53:44

traffic for six years at him and

53:47

said well I only did it to

53:49

caught the Prc, the Bucket House idea.

53:51

They. Could have done a better job at like

53:53

that. Some people like leaning on that the to

53:56

be similar to the Pr sub. What is their

53:58

obligation is to serve. The diagnosis is. Can

54:01

you everything like I don't think anyone

54:03

knows? You know gems? Candace, Identity Crisis.

54:06

I. Do have a good really good point. I made

54:08

you think like the Pr sub obviously screwed up.

54:10

You can't Yeah no you can't Release of fake

54:12

follow any idea. Vivid Saddam yeah you know I'm

54:14

like that. That's the sort of like I bad

54:16

Isaac was of. I drove it into a real

54:18

story for everyone you know you know. Talked last

54:20

week about how the A P had the for

54:22

up on it's wire and had it issue a

54:24

kill order and remove. It's like know sort of

54:27

machinations argument the of the economic news. I think

54:29

you're right though. I mean not only did the

54:31

Queen had a bridge, it was a bike she

54:33

was. She represented a bygone era in terms of

54:35

the importance of the monarchy. Any institution but

54:37

also have. A difference of

54:39

cultural era where you actually could kind of

54:41

contain and manage the press there wasn't like

54:44

you don't popper Adam Every single person alive

54:46

now as a pup is a number Arctic

54:48

is have I phones and you can photograph

54:50

them everywhere and it's clear like from Harrys

54:53

book that the Royals are not as victims

54:55

of the media but they are playing the

54:57

game with the media is like reporters in

54:59

our pocket in a given and scoops and

55:01

now we are suspected that but we know

55:04

that's that's like and I don't know that

55:06

it curing Kate speak herself I came over

55:08

last. I've actually heard her. Speak.

55:11

Directly, I usually just hear people talk about the

55:13

rails sort of jarring and in order of western,

55:15

the best. Yes, that's a good point. Him, it's

55:18

citizens. Should we hear more from them or

55:20

less than them? I mean, they need to figure

55:22

this out in Britain, anything in the sack as

55:24

right now you're and that consists. Insists.

55:26

That they're. They're playing the game

55:28

and are victims of the game In. That.

55:31

That's enough. evolved to something different. That's.

55:33

A tough place to be. Finally banish.

55:35

Want to thank the good people at

55:37

Politifact for keeping us all honest? So

55:39

on March nineteenth, Flynn. Effect released

55:42

a fact check that said quotes know

55:44

video of Clinton's engaging in cannibalism with

55:46

season gang leader and quotes are This

55:48

apparently was in response to a tweet.

55:51

The. Claimed Mel Gibson had released a video

55:53

of Bill and Hillary Clinton engaging in cannibalism

55:55

with who else, a Haitian gang leader named

55:57

barbecue. It's good every every game conspiracy theory

55:59

need to have any anti semite like nugget

56:02

system you got in there. Yeah, so that

56:04

I know you're concerned about this way. I

56:06

want to reassure you that though Clinton is

56:08

still a vision. Were. Gets. A

56:11

while you internet sleuths have been

56:13

like obsessed with conspiracy theories related

56:15

to Brooklyn Haiti for a while.

56:18

And yeah, like part of what

56:20

you know is how they just

56:22

merges nervous by disguising barbecue. that

56:24

can be irresistible information on social

56:26

media. There's something happening. He Ducklings

56:28

must be involved and so like.

56:30

Let's put all this together. And

56:32

so now. It's next act

56:34

and know gibson course it does add more

56:36

lasted probably did in read through this himself

56:38

in a. Yeah, I think you're right

56:40

you. The weird thing is about as I was in. When.

56:43

I went to Haiti like five days were director

56:45

earthquake. At one point when I was down there

56:47

Bill Clinton came down. Remember like.

56:50

He was doing. He was going to a

56:52

hospital with a doctor Sanjay Gupta. I think

56:54

it's like timing. get that like car. Go

56:56

with them right now to like manage the

56:58

press and like our rights. Are you? Why

57:00

go on to grouped in Dublin? Yeah

57:02

so we're like driving through Port au Prince.

57:04

It is like the place is just it's

57:07

you know there is literally bodies in the

57:09

street. Still it is like a disaster. We

57:11

go to this hospitals are trying to deliver

57:13

some supplies and I've never been more angry

57:15

at and assembled press corps in my life

57:17

because there's this like. Word

57:19

of people surrounding Quinn and is literally

57:22

patience. Not just like a waiting room,

57:24

but there's people lined up on the

57:26

sidewalk. Like like. Back to

57:28

back to back to back to back. Hundreds and hundreds

57:31

of feet of them like you up. In

57:33

a row. And. These. Reporters

57:35

with cameras are like about you back

57:37

into people who have lost limbs or

57:39

like he had like been crushed in

57:42

some in a horrible accidents. I'm literally

57:44

like sobbing reporters as hard as I

57:46

can, like to push them away from

57:48

fucking likes trampling people have just like

57:51

completely out of control bizarre wilde situation

57:53

that I think you know Clinton was

57:55

just trying to like. Highlight.

57:58

The. Need for humanitarian. The leave to highlight

58:01

the fact I think his plane I think

58:03

they flew down there with a bunch of

58:05

stuff to like deliver personally but it was

58:07

an. It. Was one of those moments

58:09

are like this is weird and dad and in

58:11

demoralizing and I don't I wish this hadn't happened.

58:14

Yeah. Density densely dog and cat

58:16

says something. About like

58:18

we look ahead even on

58:20

which is Vicky Nancy National

58:22

People's. Yeah. That's a

58:24

that's exactly right or okay. we're going to take

58:27

a quick break. We come back. You'll hear Bends

58:29

interview with Bernie Sanders are about what a better

58:31

for policy could look like to stick around for

58:33

this. Did.

58:39

You know that according to Ap Yi Ay

58:41

property crime data most home break ins happen

58:43

in broad daylight. Did not know at an

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Sanders of Vermont Center, thank you

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so much for joining. Of

1:02:29

my pleasure. Thanks for hub and

1:02:31

make! Okay so this of the

1:02:34

a lot to talk about. One

1:02:36

of the things we wanna get

1:02:38

to his dad. There's a article

1:02:40

and Foreign Affairs that you wrote

1:02:42

called a Revolution and American Foreign

1:02:44

Policy that we definitely recommend at

1:02:46

Everybody Eats. Am I think a

1:02:48

natural way into that conversation is.

1:02:50

Ah status or with Gaza which is the

1:02:52

most pressing issue. That

1:02:55

were I don't with right now

1:02:57

and sense when a star with

1:02:59

you on Gaza we've obscene believe

1:03:01

in evolution situation. From the administration

1:03:03

which originally did not want to

1:03:05

have much public disagreeing with Israel,

1:03:08

that kind of evolved into some

1:03:10

public disagreement without Nessa a lot

1:03:12

of consequences. we've now seen the

1:03:14

administration and a real substantive public

1:03:16

difference with Am Eastern and yeah,

1:03:18

over at you and City. Council

1:03:21

resolution that day abstained on the

1:03:23

allowed to pass. It called for

1:03:25

an immediate ceasefire. I just wondered

1:03:27

served as you been a very

1:03:29

outspoken voice on this. What

1:03:32

do you think it is both necessary

1:03:34

to to try to impact Israel strategy

1:03:36

in Gaza and in what kind of

1:03:38

leverage to be on the table for

1:03:41

the United States a given intransigence have

1:03:43

permission and known as coalition government. Have

1:03:46

been see. Leverage is

1:03:48

obvious. Oh, we have

1:03:51

provided Israel with tens of billions

1:03:53

of dollars. Or over

1:03:55

many years. Or just the

1:03:57

other day against my boat. Or and

1:03:59

others. The Point: Three billion Dollars. Of.

1:04:02

Went to military aid to Israel. Ah

1:04:05

is part of the Supplemental Bill,

1:04:07

which is still being discussed as

1:04:10

fourteen billion dollars more including Ten

1:04:12

billion dollars more for unfettered military

1:04:14

aides you want? Talk about leverage

1:04:16

Tax leverage. The. Idea that.

1:04:19

Israel is telling us. What?

1:04:21

They're going to do. At. The same time

1:04:24

as they're accepting our money. Is

1:04:26

a bit absurd to me. Up

1:04:29

When I look at the situation there right now.

1:04:32

What? Is most important is that

1:04:35

as we speak like, know.

1:04:37

Hundreds of thousands of

1:04:40

children are facing starvation.

1:04:43

While. The same time, hundreds if

1:04:45

not thousands of trucks are lined

1:04:47

up. To. Get into Gaza

1:04:50

to deliver the humanitarian aid and

1:04:52

Israel is refusing to allow that.

1:04:54

That. Is obscene. That.

1:04:57

Is unacceptable and a matter of fact.

1:04:59

Is in violation. Has you know of

1:05:02

American law? Because. Any country that

1:05:04

boss American humanitarian aid should not

1:05:06

be getting financial support from the

1:05:08

right, successful or. Is

1:05:11

it will more questions Israel is again it and

1:05:13

sets up some and you do very well in

1:05:15

your article which is discuss. Can. Of

1:05:17

what the underlying. Reasons. Are

1:05:19

for summer that's irrationality and in

1:05:22

hypocrisy in our foreign policy. I

1:05:24

guess one things frustrating and watching

1:05:26

situation play out and guys as

1:05:28

at this has been evidence or

1:05:31

while now. And

1:05:33

the and you're someone who sincerely

1:05:35

I think sells the trauma that

1:05:37

Israel experience in October. Seventh on

1:05:40

was open to the idea that

1:05:42

they needed to do something in

1:05:44

response, but frankly you also are

1:05:46

pretty quick and realizing that. This

1:05:49

government this Israeli government under Netanyahu

1:05:51

of was not going about this and

1:05:53

a thoughtful wayne certainly was not going

1:05:55

about this without and with much regard

1:05:58

for the lives of thousand. And

1:06:01

I guess my question to you is. A

1:06:03

for the last few months now it's

1:06:05

been pretty clear that this is harming

1:06:08

American interests but were isolated in the

1:06:10

world is harming the people of Gaza

1:06:12

and frankly timing Israel it's it's isolating

1:06:14

the the state of Israel from the

1:06:16

rest of the world and frankly contributing

1:06:19

I think to the the algae the

1:06:21

Hamas relies on. And yet as you

1:06:23

said this is kind of auto pilot

1:06:25

right where the military aid so going

1:06:27

out if I'm sure if this was

1:06:30

a straight up and down vote in

1:06:32

Congress tomorrow. They pass

1:06:34

that military aid or people not

1:06:36

aware of what's going on or

1:06:38

is this of was a packers

1:06:40

wouldn't Why is it is that

1:06:42

is? There seems to be so

1:06:45

much that the Washington seems to

1:06:47

be the last place on earth

1:06:49

that is able to get it's

1:06:51

head around what's happening. Then.

1:06:54

We'll stated. And. The.

1:06:57

Aren't sitting room. Where.

1:07:00

The. Kind of blows my mind as to

1:07:02

what is being discussed because you have. A.

1:07:04

Mythic from the Republican prospective.

1:07:07

Or. It's one hundred percent politics. They

1:07:09

perceived that the Jewish photo store we've

1:07:12

gone to democrats. They have

1:07:14

an opportunity now to seize are some of

1:07:16

that. And. That's their perspective.

1:07:19

Or. Though it really does, it really does

1:07:21

get to me. That

1:07:23

not only are they have one

1:07:25

hundred percent in support of Netanyahu,

1:07:28

There is total disregard.

1:07:31

For. The suffering in the starvation

1:07:33

in the middle misery of the

1:07:35

Palestinian people. Ah,

1:07:38

And that really gets me in terms of

1:07:40

the Democratic caucus. I. Think

1:07:42

if you talk to not

1:07:45

just progressive members. But. Average

1:07:47

members. They will tell you what's going on.

1:07:49

There is. Horrible. And

1:07:51

more more of them are speaking up.

1:07:54

Ah, About the.

1:07:57

Ah, Number of civilian

1:07:59

deaths. Ah, the

1:08:01

a destruction of military. Or

1:08:04

of of of fog. Medical.

1:08:07

Facilities: Are they are

1:08:09

aware of it? And. More more

1:08:11

of them are signing on to letters.

1:08:14

That are demanding the biden Bitter

1:08:17

station do something. But.

1:08:19

There is something else that's going

1:08:21

on and that is that relatively

1:08:23

few. Are. Prepared to pull the trigger.

1:08:25

And so you know what? Famous.

1:08:27

The Not Yeah. You continue that you're

1:08:29

getting another nickel. Or in

1:08:31

American aid. Why that? So now

1:08:34

I guess it has a lot to do with a pack.

1:08:36

It. As lot to do with the

1:08:38

president I think was been deeply emotional.

1:08:41

He committed Israel before to use. And

1:08:43

I think the many people do not understand

1:08:46

that the Israel of today. Is. Not

1:08:48

the Israel a goldmine year. A

1:08:50

lot of twenty or thirty years

1:08:52

ago, it is a right wing

1:08:54

country, increasingly becoming. A

1:08:56

religious fundamentalist countries. Where.

1:08:59

You have some of these guys in office? Believe.

1:09:02

That God told them they have a

1:09:04

right to control the entire area. Not

1:09:07

all lot different by the way and

1:09:09

than what some offseason. So bottom line

1:09:11

for must committed eight atrocity. In my

1:09:14

view, Israel certainly have the right to

1:09:16

defend itself. But. It did not

1:09:18

and does not have the right to go

1:09:20

to war against the entire Palestinian people. Two.

1:09:23

Thirds of the casualties. And

1:09:25

death or women and children Unacceptable. Juicy.

1:09:28

In the long run, the capacity of

1:09:31

the U S it would you would

1:09:33

would is the outcome they did. You

1:09:35

think we should be aiming for six

1:09:38

months? One year, Two years from now

1:09:40

assuming. hopefully. And. We can bring the

1:09:42

media suffering to some and and get assistance and.

1:09:45

Well. Be an immediate concern is

1:09:47

the seeds starving people. Ah

1:09:50

and you know better than I do

1:09:52

burn. This is something a crisis that

1:09:54

has gone on. For. Seventy

1:09:56

Five Years. Ah,

1:09:58

you've had five. The was the about

1:10:01

the leader a leader of Egypt that a

1:10:03

leader of Israel assassinated with the crime

1:10:05

of trying to bring peace. Ah,

1:10:08

To the region. A me. Bottom

1:10:10

line is Com Os is a terrorist organization.

1:10:12

I don't think. Who. Wants to destroy

1:10:14

Israel. I don't think you're going to have peace a long

1:10:16

as they are in power. I. Think

1:10:19

clearly. the Netanyahu government is right

1:10:21

wing. Or. Extremist. I don't

1:10:23

think he's gonna piece as long as

1:10:25

they are in power. So.

1:10:27

Hopefully ah, the people of

1:10:29

Israel will elect. New

1:10:31

leadership which appreciates and understands as difficult

1:10:34

as it may seem. The

1:10:36

need for a two state solution? Or.

1:10:38

That the Palestinian people will get rid

1:10:40

of. All. The

1:10:42

leadership which has a mentality that they

1:10:44

must destroy Israel rather than pay attention

1:10:47

to the economic and social needs of

1:10:49

their own people. Not easy stuff. Yeah.

1:10:51

Putting us of the Russian direction that we've got

1:10:53

ago. Will like a i

1:10:56

would like a getting a near your

1:10:58

article which I can I think is

1:11:00

entirely consistent with this competition we've we've

1:11:02

been having. You really talk about the

1:11:04

need to have a wholesale revolution and

1:11:07

how America protests from policy that the

1:11:09

kind of group think that we see

1:11:11

that of Washington that has gotten us

1:11:13

into wars that has gotten us out

1:11:15

of step with the public, that has

1:11:18

a tolerated extreme inequality in that kind

1:11:20

of export of that inequality around the

1:11:22

world that that requires a whole cell.

1:11:25

And and I thought one way to enter

1:11:27

into this conversation is he in a. In

1:11:30

a way, there's an opportunity because

1:11:32

Trump is can so scrambled the

1:11:34

whole foreign policy. Debate. Right

1:11:36

he wants by Nato. He's also tax

1:11:39

trade agreements. He doesn't want to give

1:11:41

any foreign assistance. He speaks against military

1:11:43

interventions. Other you point out in your

1:11:45

t said there was a lot of

1:11:48

militarism in the first Trump term. Part

1:11:50

of a syncing knows he's kind of

1:11:52

blown up. this republican and a mindless

1:11:54

hawkishness I don't agree with. The vast

1:11:57

majority of his prescriptions are as impulses.

1:12:00

But it the same thing is time. It's

1:12:02

kind of interesting than a lot of Americans

1:12:04

seem to be open to this take either.

1:12:06

it's not his approach me a critique. It

1:12:09

and and so I wanted Ask you, how

1:12:11

does this kind of scrambling of the. Traditional.

1:12:15

Me a left right divide on foreign

1:12:17

policy or view of globalisation it is

1:12:19

should we see some opportunity as democrats

1:12:22

and progressive from more whole so reform.

1:12:25

I think so. On and the

1:12:27

reason. I wrote the article

1:12:29

is I hope we can do some. Fundamental.

1:12:32

Rethinking of the group think and

1:12:34

the status quo. Oh.

1:12:37

What a sounds will be to start of

1:12:39

with the Military Industrial complex which is a

1:12:41

very important part of this. Pen.

1:12:44

We are spending nine

1:12:46

hundred billion dollars he

1:12:48

of before. The. Proposed

1:12:50

hundred billion dollars supplement. On.

1:12:52

Military spending Nine hundred

1:12:54

billion dollars for you.

1:12:57

Do. You think that there has been in

1:12:59

Congress or within the American people? serious

1:13:02

discussion about whether we need to spend

1:13:04

ten times in one the next ten

1:13:06

nations. And the answer is. Are

1:13:08

not There has not been the budget

1:13:10

passed. The committee's the of on forces

1:13:12

committee. I think twenty two to one

1:13:14

or something like that. No serious

1:13:17

discussion and will. What? Role

1:13:19

do the defense contractors plate

1:13:21

in shaping American foreign policy.

1:13:23

Should we be concern? That.

1:13:27

The. Half a dozen or so

1:13:29

major defense contractors are seeing record

1:13:31

breaking profits. That they

1:13:33

have substantially raise prices. Were. Many

1:13:35

the arms that the something. To

1:13:37

the United States and around the rest of

1:13:39

the world is not a discussion worth having.

1:13:41

Your we talk about Ukraine, the need to

1:13:43

protect Ukraine, Price. Of stinger

1:13:46

missiles has gone up by seven

1:13:48

times. You. Painters getting

1:13:50

less? How? While. These defense

1:13:52

contractors are doing mess of stock buybacks.

1:13:54

Should we be discussing that? The

1:13:56

I think maybe. And. The other issue

1:13:58

that we don't discuss. Is. The

1:14:00

role of global oligarchy. You know, we

1:14:03

talk about nation states. What's. Going on

1:14:05

in the world. And what's

1:14:07

going on on the world unbelievably at a

1:14:09

rapid rate, is the people on top. Countries.

1:14:12

All over the world, including the United States.

1:14:14

Becoming. Much wealthier, using.

1:14:17

Alliances: Elon Musk Working The Saudi

1:14:19

Arabia et cetera et cetera. Global.

1:14:22

Alliances of the very rich and

1:14:24

powerful. Or the people

1:14:26

at the bottom of are suffering. Are

1:14:29

So those are some of the issues that I think

1:14:31

com we need to bring to the table. And.

1:14:33

The other issue, of course, Is.

1:14:36

The failure. How. Often do we?

1:14:38

How was American foreign policy done in the

1:14:40

last. Fifty. Years. Vietnam

1:14:42

a great success. Ah, I

1:14:44

don't think so. The War On Terror. A

1:14:46

great success. I don't think so.

1:14:49

But. We continue to have the so

1:14:52

called bipartisan consensus. Which. Is moving

1:14:54

us in pretty bad. Was. You

1:14:57

know a again this new talk and

1:14:59

us are reading this at Up Buildings

1:15:01

is really interesting is there's the question

1:15:03

was people making bad decisions So people

1:15:05

in getting us into war on terror

1:15:07

people decide invade Iraq. But dinner these

1:15:09

structural issues right? The military industrial complex

1:15:12

which leads to enormous defense expenditures but

1:15:14

also a lot of incentive to go

1:15:16

to war and near there. For lot

1:15:18

of think tanks, you've got to kind

1:15:20

of fossil fuel industrial complex which makes

1:15:22

it harder to lead an international climate.

1:15:25

You got a pack which makes. It

1:15:27

harder to have a rational approach or

1:15:29

not to Israel, Palestine, You

1:15:32

know you've got the Chamber of Commerce. It

1:15:34

was pushing trade agreements. Free trade agreements. It's

1:15:36

a sandwich. A This is. About

1:15:38

is. Different new

1:15:40

ideas and think tanks and different policy

1:15:42

papers. But how to? this is actually

1:15:44

just about. Com. Reforming the

1:15:46

wiring us of influence in our government

1:15:48

to get better as. Well.

1:15:51

As a good obviously is and it has

1:15:53

to do with money. I mean, let's not.

1:15:56

Be. Naive about it. Oh.

1:16:00

If I mentioned the military industrial complex

1:16:02

is making. Record. Breaking.

1:16:05

Profits. Or oil industry

1:16:07

is in the process of destroying the

1:16:09

planet they're doing. Are

1:16:12

extremely well. I'm.

1:16:15

And. I think it's yeah, it's time

1:16:17

to really. Ask. Ourselves: What

1:16:20

is the purpose of foreign policy?

1:16:22

Do. We really believe in democracy

1:16:24

or we allied. With. People

1:16:27

like Mbs in Saudi Arabia. Who.

1:16:30

Is Monique. Who. Treats women

1:16:32

as third class citizens. Who.

1:16:34

Really mistreats. Or immigrant

1:16:36

labor there, and so forth. And so

1:16:38

what are our values and how do

1:16:40

they manifest themselves in our foreign policy?

1:16:42

Those are questions I think we don't

1:16:44

discuss anywhere near enough, but. Your

1:16:47

point? If we're gonna bring about

1:16:49

real change. Or in

1:16:51

our foreign policy, create a democratic

1:16:53

foreign policy. A Foreign Policies as

1:16:55

working for peace not war. A

1:16:57

bar policy that is working on

1:16:59

behalf of American workers and workers

1:17:01

all over the world. We need

1:17:03

fundamental changes. You talk about this

1:17:05

idea. Solidarity to. Eat

1:17:08

A when you look out of the world's

1:17:10

eat out at a new nice share. A

1:17:12

bit of a concern about when our partners

1:17:14

are people like Mbs, right? Or

1:17:17

obviously when we knew don't stand up to be

1:17:19

be know. Who should

1:17:21

we be in solidarity with like who are

1:17:23

the partners that the Us to be looking

1:17:25

for? Whether they're and governments are weather outside

1:17:28

of governments as we think about in a

1:17:30

world where there's China and Russia and he

1:17:32

had their access and then there's that kind

1:17:34

of view on Musk Autocracy, an oligarchy in

1:17:36

the world who are the partners a do

1:17:38

the gate a small the democratic foreign policy

1:17:40

should seek in the world. But.

1:17:43

This is not easy stopped as you will

1:17:45

notice if if I had all the answers

1:17:47

I. Let

1:17:50

you know immediately I don't. But.

1:17:52

I think we have to stress what our

1:17:54

our values. Are You going back. To

1:17:57

the trade policies. Which. I.

1:18:00

Gross. We oppose and what really gold? me?

1:18:03

Is. We fought the war. In

1:18:07

Vietnam. Because. The communists was

1:18:09

so terrible and so horrible. And.

1:18:11

Then a few years later they were trade

1:18:13

agreements exploiting the cheap labor. In

1:18:16

Vietnam. And in the process. Shutting.

1:18:18

Down Thousands of factories in The United States

1:18:21

Of America. Grading. Massive. Just

1:18:23

political discontent with why the Way helped

1:18:25

elect Donald Trump. right? So.

1:18:27

We lost fifty nine thousand. Young

1:18:30

Men in Vietnam. Millions of Vietnamese

1:18:32

people died. Because we

1:18:35

hated the communist. And. Then a

1:18:37

few years later we're doing trade agreements and corporations

1:18:39

are doing just fine. How fat? I.

1:18:41

Mean How ugly? I

1:18:43

guess I saw I think the answer your question. It's.

1:18:46

Not easy and endure. You got to think long

1:18:48

term. You got to think short term. Long

1:18:50

term what our bags our values is.

1:18:53

I believe you believe in democracy. Or

1:18:55

it so. He wants? Who. Work

1:18:58

with Us forces around the world. That

1:19:01

are prepared to allow for

1:19:03

governments that a democratically elected

1:19:06

or it. And clearly

1:19:08

on that issue we have a former

1:19:10

president. Ah, Of who

1:19:12

does not believe in democracy is allies will

1:19:14

be. Are not only potent, What?

1:19:17

Right wing. Governments. And

1:19:19

right wing movements all over the world. And by

1:19:21

the way let me say this. If.

1:19:24

Trump. God. Forbid

1:19:26

is. Elected. I

1:19:29

think been you might be thinking about

1:19:31

the end. Of the

1:19:33

two hundred and fifty year

1:19:35

experiment in modern democracy. I'm

1:19:38

an actress in America, but all over the world. It's

1:19:40

Molson Arrow in Brazil and so forth all

1:19:43

on. But. Ah, around the world.

1:19:45

But. So we got to be talking about what

1:19:47

our values will. Ah, we

1:19:50

have got to be. Talking

1:19:52

about. How. We

1:19:54

develop agreements. Are I remember

1:19:56

when I was a kid. And

1:19:59

a little bit older. The new. And. I

1:20:01

remember seeing the tv programs of

1:20:03

movies. With. Poor people around

1:20:05

the world receive packages said. From.

1:20:08

The People of the United States? you Mugler?

1:20:10

Yep, Yep. I. I want

1:20:12

that. I want poor people around the world

1:20:15

to know that we are on their site.

1:20:17

I want. Governments.

1:20:20

In the developing world to know the we are

1:20:22

on the side. Of their people.

1:20:25

Who. Can't afford prescription drugs? That.

1:20:28

Save their lives rather than the pharmaceutical

1:20:30

industry that as an island. Those. That's

1:20:34

what I would like for a saw. I

1:20:36

want the United States the you know what?

1:20:38

we are concerned about? World poverty, children dying.

1:20:41

From. Easily. Cure diseases, children

1:20:43

dying from uncle. That's not what America

1:20:45

stands for. We're going to work with

1:20:47

those governments. And. We're

1:20:49

going to support international organizations. You.

1:20:51

Know we we. It's too obvious

1:20:54

a statement to repeat. War is

1:20:56

Harald. This. Is the a twenty?

1:20:58

Twenty Four? We. Should be talking

1:21:00

about how we eliminate war in

1:21:02

the world through international organist not

1:21:04

cutting funding. For. On wall which

1:21:06

friend saying you win another international organizations

1:21:09

have some of what we should be.

1:21:11

yeah node minutes x me is missing

1:21:13

do that did it are in some

1:21:15

ways in his car competition with with

1:21:18

China and Russia in these countries that

1:21:20

have an alternate world order and mind

1:21:22

and we had trouble even near and

1:21:24

the by ministration connecting with countries in

1:21:27

the global south like Brazil like South

1:21:29

Africa. And part because

1:21:31

we don't seem to be talking to them about

1:21:33

what what they're interested in. I mean, I know

1:21:36

you traveled. You know, you know, who are you.

1:21:38

You traveled a global. You know the national Labor

1:21:40

movement you've interacted with. Civil Society means do think

1:21:42

that there can be an agenda from the United

1:21:44

States sick and put us on the right side

1:21:46

of those countries in the bubbles. and again, What

1:21:49

do you think it would mean to the world?

1:21:52

If. The President of the United States with the

1:21:54

Secretary of State. Goes. To developing

1:21:57

world goes to Brazil cause the South Africa

1:21:59

for you. We're.

1:22:02

Developing. Life saving

1:22:04

drugs, For. Example And I thought about drugs.

1:22:06

Come on, The committee that deals with that. You.

1:22:08

Can't afford those drugs or know. Well. You know

1:22:11

what? On. The my administration everybody in

1:22:13

this world is gonna be able to get

1:22:15

the vaccines and a life saving drugs. They

1:22:17

did. With. We. We.

1:22:19

Understand that all children. Are. Created

1:22:21

equally. What? Do you think that would mean. What?

1:22:24

Signal what that send to the entire world. On.

1:22:26

Whose side we are on? I.

1:22:29

Think would be propelled them. I think that's what

1:22:31

we got. United States of Merck is not gonna

1:22:33

let children spot. Not. In Gaza,

1:22:35

none anyplace else in the world. Yeah.

1:22:38

And I mean, that's good foreign policy.

1:22:40

It's morally right. It's good foreign policy.

1:22:43

Yeah, and I guess you know amenities begins

1:22:45

to bring us back to where we started.

1:22:47

Than a do you think that there is

1:22:49

an. A. Capacity to

1:22:52

understand. He. Knows and I'll

1:22:54

be honest with you center like you know

1:22:56

I have see like you have a lot

1:22:58

of regard for the by administration and and

1:23:00

friends and lobby pointed at and and yet.

1:23:03

You know when you heard them talk about a rules based order?

1:23:06

And then you see our Gaza policy eat

1:23:09

in. you look at it from the outside

1:23:11

in you know you see why it's not

1:23:13

even I don't play this on the season

1:23:15

I'd miss as either I was an abomination.

1:23:17

we're just kind of relationship with with of

1:23:19

number of governance and of Israel is it

1:23:22

seems like the bars higher earnest said to

1:23:24

tip kind of. Person. That offer.

1:23:26

See that new. We kind of got away

1:23:28

with this for some time at Denver Co.

1:23:30

Workers were so much more powerful than other

1:23:32

countries. But the margin of error where we

1:23:34

can have that the degree of hypocrisy is

1:23:36

on display in Gaza that we we need

1:23:38

to start seeing those issues is connected to

1:23:40

this broader agenda right? Mm so we can.

1:23:42

We can carry around this hypocrisy the same

1:23:44

way we have. And the pepper a Me

1:23:46

give you one example them and I agree

1:23:49

with you. Absolute. What?

1:23:52

Kuittinen is doing has gone and

1:23:55

is doing in Ukraine. Is

1:23:57

outrageous. And

1:24:00

yet, how can the United States. Condemn.

1:24:03

With a straight face. Buttons.

1:24:06

Bombing of apartment buildings and killing children. How

1:24:08

do you think this is a terrible thing?

1:24:11

Really? Compared. To one. Compared

1:24:14

to the destruction that's going on and gossip.

1:24:17

Where. We turn a blind eye. Orb.

1:24:20

So. You're I'd I

1:24:22

think we have to end the hypocrisy. And

1:24:25

I think. Lock. Your.

1:24:28

We haven't even begun to talk about climate

1:24:30

change. And future pandemics. You

1:24:32

tell me, How

1:24:34

this planet is gonna be a habitable

1:24:36

and healthy for future generations if we

1:24:38

don't deal with climate change. How.

1:24:41

Do you deal with climate change? If we're

1:24:43

not dealing with China? How.

1:24:45

Do you deal with future pandemic of you're

1:24:47

not dealing. Globally.

1:24:49

How. Do you that? Yeah, Really pandemic. So

1:24:52

stop at the country's border. Climate change

1:24:54

is gonna rub trying or it's gonna

1:24:56

wreck the United States. Heard

1:24:58

so. We have attitude. To.

1:25:00

Say for ourselves, save ourselves in.

1:25:02

The. World we've got to work and a corporate

1:25:05

of much more corporate away since the last

1:25:07

question v then as if you know you've

1:25:09

outlined adding up a policy the next know

1:25:11

very good sense right? It's did it in

1:25:13

the elements that policy to work every you.

1:25:16

Fighting. Climate Change Fighting kleptocracy at

1:25:18

protecting democracy which is obviously deeply

1:25:20

imperiled. Finding solidarity with other people

1:25:23

are other worlds are doing these

1:25:25

things: avoiding wars, in and in,

1:25:27

being open new. This

1:25:31

it all sounds like and what we

1:25:33

need and also probably. More. Popular

1:25:35

than the kind of good thing

1:25:37

that emanates from Washington. Use your

1:25:39

Ubuntu, the center American politics for

1:25:41

long time but especially the last

1:25:43

decade plus and he vardy scene

1:25:45

and that. Domestic policy side,

1:25:47

new ideas that you can broaden

1:25:49

the mainstream. The Democrat Party. Is

1:25:52

it your sense of the Democratic Party

1:25:55

under President Biden? under future leadership is

1:25:57

is ready for this kind of this.

1:26:00

Degree of A shifts politically you know and

1:26:02

how are things about foreign policy against you've?

1:26:04

done a lot of this in the domestic

1:26:06

side, did did you think it? The party

1:26:08

itself is is willing to kind of go

1:26:10

to the kind of restructuring and almost reinvention

1:26:13

that you're talking about. I

1:26:16

think the American people already. Credit.

1:26:19

When you say to the American People

1:26:21

without six hundred thousand. Americans,

1:26:23

Were homeless. Would. Earn up

1:26:25

enough money to build affordable housing, But.

1:26:28

Yup, we have nine hundred billion for the motor.

1:26:30

You know what? With. Your conservative or

1:26:32

Progressive that does not make awful lot

1:26:34

of sense. That. We

1:26:36

have military presence of dozens and dozens

1:26:39

of countries throughout the world. That doesn't

1:26:41

make a lot of sense. I.

1:26:43

Think it's gonna be a hard fight. Or

1:26:46

within the democratic party other a lot

1:26:48

of money. Or defending

1:26:50

the status quo. But. I

1:26:52

think the American people are ready for some

1:26:55

fundamental changes. Will like. I

1:26:57

really am so glad you're continue raise your

1:26:59

voice on this as well so many other

1:27:01

things as your final I'd simply not desir

1:27:03

been among our audience and will keep trying

1:27:05

to raise these issues as well. So thanks

1:27:07

so much for coming onto day and every

1:27:09

should check out decides article you read in

1:27:11

foreign affairs enough to continue to follow your

1:27:13

your leadership on Gaza Said Said thanks for

1:27:15

joining us and for you don't. Know.

1:27:17

Thanks where. Thanks

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again to Bernie Sanders for the on a

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show that thanks again you for for down

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