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Oh yeah, we got great questions from you guys. It's

2:16

honestly the the mailbag on. These are always

2:18

super fun questions

2:21

that I would be remiss though. If we didn't

2:23

just by quickly talking about

2:25

the news that broke this week,

2:27

that Jared Kushner spent

2:29

the final months of his time of the White House. Watching

2:32

a masterclass, I Believe by James Patterson

2:34

about how to write a way

2:37

to close out what's wrong. And that Ari Fleischer

2:39

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2:41

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not fronting a a a event for

2:47

the new Saturday government-funded

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golf leak. I will say

2:51

that this can be categorized as mail bag

2:53

because I got more than one

2:55

either. Tweets are Instagram messages saying

2:57

you

2:58

guys. gotta talk about the saudi got footage to be

3:00

married off with the rumor is it tiger

3:02

woods was offered one billion dollars

3:04

something just sort of the billion dollars yeah do this

3:06

and turned it down yeah and phil mickelson

3:08

get hundred fifty million that's the rumor for vice

3:11

my fighter by different thirty bucks and

3:13

, a piece of shit test but i'm a

3:16

terrible goes come flocking for iraq war

3:18

in aftermath of nine eleven to flocking for

3:20

saudi golfweek i'll tell you this

3:22

series point humid weather so which is of like

3:24

this golf league is in miniature

3:28

like problem sports what out is because

3:30

it's basically like they

3:32

are testing proposition that

3:34

america and americans can be

3:36

bought the know and

3:38

they're not people proving them right like

3:40

phil mickelson isolation ari fleischer

3:43

you know even like mega

3:45

adjacent trump endorsing jack

3:47

nicklaus jack nicklaus that know

3:50

you could feel like there's people that now stagger

3:52

like you mentioned but i come on

3:54

i mean can't people just watch golf

3:56

without any in also the fact it's golf

3:58

like

4:00

in the , i regret

4:02

yeah yesterday yeah exactly like a among

4:04

us and i tweeted this in our he blocks me

4:06

but hopefully listen to the show but i do think she's

4:08

do is annual nine eleven tweet storm from

4:11

ah the home of one of the

4:13

fifteen saudi hijackers guess

4:15

some that though is that yet as well done as

4:18

well done thanks evil now and then he did

4:20

and twitters consent to discuss be a

4:22

junior guard form of even course of even we both

4:24

like twitter when twitter allows us to be just viciously

4:26

does just viciously and only two hundred prisoner

4:28

i serve as yeah yeah i'm okay

4:30

with it some substance van den

4:32

from australia on twitter ass given

4:35

beebe's information campaign on the original

4:37

iran deal as well as his pressure

4:39

on trump's do you believe we would have different

4:41

outcome of israeli government had changed

4:43

earlier sasson eating what

4:46

if question

4:47

it really is i mean i

4:50

think that the

4:54

it's quite possible that that we would you

4:56

know i

4:58

lived on the other side of information campaigns

5:01

is extended them of it painted

5:03

over the idea who suffered and died extended

5:05

people like spying me and stuff right but

5:09

the reality is that like b b okay

5:12

kind of anti iran deal politics and

5:15

he injected them so aggressively

5:18

into american politics and have people

5:21

mom for called necessarily that he came

5:23

to united states that imitation the republican

5:25

party it's to dress congress

5:27

against iran deal before even happened

5:30

and i think what that did is

5:32

it made the iran deal like

5:35

almost like identity politics issue

5:37

in bit and politics so like

5:40

you know obama care the iran deal

5:42

with agree gonna got wrapped into that toxic

5:45

ball of grievance an us versus them politics

5:48

and that meant that guy like

5:50

trump who like doesn't

5:52

have like well of

5:54

all view of nuclear nonproliferation

5:57

agreements you know you know just a demagogue

6:00

how i did live in his career in his campaign

6:02

and then with babies

6:04

continued backing in the the first couple

6:06

years of his presidency overruled

6:09

all of his advisors

6:11

and pulling out of the deal which didn't even

6:13

really need to do like you know that the

6:15

that but unlike huge political utility

6:18

in that but it was just kind of a

6:20

be such a a bunch of being

6:22

a com the second tier right wing grievances first

6:24

year because of bb and i think if

6:26

you had even like this current government that voices

6:29

opposition to the agreement by planet doesn't

6:31

really do that much to act on it's

6:33

on think it might been different do think

6:35

it's did there's what did them the

6:37

the person with

6:39

most responsible for killing the iran

6:41

deal other than i guess donald trump is

6:45

, be been and know yeah i mean it's fascinating

6:48

circle , find incredibly annoying

6:50

when i read

6:52

all these former israeli generals

6:54

massage guys national security

6:56

officials coming out five years

6:58

later and not i profiles in courage yeah be

7:00

like hey we're wrong iran deal was good yeah i'm

7:03

busy knew that it that i know i needed

7:05

some i'll tell you the the the

7:07

most interesting thing which is it like when

7:09

when

7:10

the when you would sit down with them

7:12

and cause us has his tenure emo

7:15

use memorandum understanding about sturdy

7:17

since we provide the israel like

7:19

after the iran deal they were like we

7:23

that not have to consider the

7:25

oh that's like the likelihood of a potential

7:27

war over nuclear program the run and

7:29

said doug they're working level security

7:32

people were always in a different place

7:34

and bb which made made this

7:36

sets of books have toxic

7:38

performed vicious yeah i mean like you said

7:40

i i i think beebe's lobbying mattered

7:42

to trump but for purely political

7:44

reason yeah i don't they trump knows or cares about policy

7:47

you want do the opposite of whatever obama did and

7:49

that made whatever made his base happy and so

7:51

my bigger plan on this is people that know better

7:54

ah in oppose the jcb i should live

7:56

shame ah i also think like

7:58

tepid democrats in the press

8:00

yeah kind of like yes wouldn't really

8:02

fully supported should really think about the situation

8:05

where and now and whether they want

8:07

have the guts to be for diplomacy and the

8:09

tepid democrats were

8:11

tepid in part cause

8:13

bb being so vocal right

8:15

american politics should be honest about right and

8:19

you know you can you can tied to other

8:21

issues to like that not whether

8:24

you're a republican knows better bad democracy

8:27

or or democrat knows better about

8:29

taking principled stand on something like people

8:33

hanging back is why we're in this mess

8:35

not just on around that on the on other stuff

8:38

mic , twitter asks i feel like pakistan

8:40

was the most discussed foreign policy topic the start

8:42

of the two thousand and tens and we never

8:44

hear about it anymore has situation there

8:46

of last decade gotten better or

8:48

did our attention shift away to other areas

8:51

of world you but i see the had a similar

8:53

thought about this other day this think maybe through time

8:56

of the changeover administration's the

8:58

problem not gone away pakistan has nuclear weapons

9:01

there's terrorists groups running around country they're

9:04

constantly teetering constantly coming

9:07

see craddock government they'd

9:09

still be you in the as mortal enemy and i think

9:11

what obviously has changed is a war in afghanistan

9:14

is now over the the threat

9:16

from extremist groups has metastasized

9:19

and we're not just talking about al qaeda

9:21

in the sata we're talking about isis everywhere

9:25

but yeah mean like pakistan's and some real trouble in

9:27

other dealing with the impact climate

9:29

change there's polio outbreak

9:31

that as reading that just now there's

9:33

a our fragile new

9:36

prime minister and and and recently

9:38

ousted former prime minister was like blaming

9:40

america for for getting pushed

9:42

out so it's

9:45

really the problem hasn't gone away the new

9:47

promising on were young

9:49

using this is nick shapiro on twitter i

9:51

don't know friends and of the pod home ricochet

9:53

i'll ask him but i'm

9:56

a it's it's question cause

9:58

when you'd i came into government like attkisson

10:00

was like harper the list

10:03

do remember that in the the jefferson jackson

10:05

dinner in iowa isn't in two

10:07

thousand seven like this the key is my level language

10:10

yeah yeah they keep look of the our caucus

10:12

joe biden gave a a really long

10:14

speech and this yet like you're supposed to distill

10:16

your message and when speech and it was principally

10:18

that pack a senseless and was about like how

10:20

pakistan is most dangerous place in world

10:23

with your true right like the

10:25

mixer terrorism goes vinci you know and

10:27

i always framing of it it like what he would have

10:29

done on and letters and remember what would have joe

10:31

biden done after nine eleven and

10:33

lot of third person like gods but

10:36

i i digress i mean that

10:38

the point is it was interesting that this

10:40

is it none of those underlying dynamics

10:42

right the presence of terrorist organizations

10:46

like a military intelligence

10:48

kind of deep state for like a better way putting it that

10:51

that undermines democracy support

10:53

for taliban those

10:55

problems didn't get

10:57

solved right and they didn't necessarily

10:59

prove that much i think

11:02

what happened isn't about earlier bomb years

11:04

we years we made a run at that and kind

11:06

of got nowhere in right and

11:08

so what ended up happening is the

11:10

principal interests to the united

11:12

states like this the thing

11:15

that kind of enters into like first

11:17

year you can't mess this up you have to

11:19

spend time on this was that al qaeda

11:21

safe haven in pakistan and

11:24

particularly between kind of two thousand thousand

11:27

and two isn't welcome the first obama term most

11:30

of that hey david was taken

11:32

away and

11:35

then osama bin laden was killed and

11:38

i think a lot of ways if you look at american

11:40

policy after the been lauded operation that

11:43

first tier likes threat to the american

11:46

homeland pretty

11:48

much went away the could

11:50

remember you merely the bombers are bunch of terrorist plots

11:52

were younger ones time square where

11:55

car bomb in from pack pack

11:57

that went away and even

11:59

though the other threats remained on

12:02

nuclear weapons a lack of democracy

12:05

sport the taliban those

12:07

were like hard to dislodge

12:10

and the and

12:12

now that doesn't mean it's any better

12:14

just means that it's it's less in front

12:16

of american politicians

12:18

and media and public as it were not as indirectly

12:20

injured i think that did the shame on all

12:23

the such as with a bunch of other things with tiger recently

12:25

said you afghanistan is a manifestation

12:28

to some extent pakistan's the

12:30

border the taliban show in some ways

12:32

pakistan the dog the

12:34

caught the car in that you know

12:36

now calvin is next door guess that's

12:38

the right dog on twitter

12:40

as session as dog i'm also

12:42

second element in element in your game as his

12:44

last name cities have other countries has

12:46

been more successful in framing renewable energies

12:48

national security issue are necessary

12:51

interests are you are what can u s learn and do

12:53

you think it would help the us clicking

12:55

the transition great question it

12:57

is a great question and i i'm

12:59

thinking about this and there's

13:02

been lot talk over years and on

13:04

work done you know the us and

13:06

u s their been reports issued

13:08

by the pentagon intelligence community

13:10

some which talked about to to make

13:12

the national security case around climate change

13:14

and you hear this in

13:16

europe other places and

13:18

yet i couldn't really think of country

13:21

that has successfully kind

13:24

of frame this issue through

13:26

, people should let us know if

13:28

if we do something i'm missing jarrett been

13:30

spent but i'm not i'm

13:32

not seeing it the reality is

13:34

like all the things we talk about that of national city

13:36

nexus conflicts migration

13:39

political instability instability

13:41

are all gonna grow up exponentially because of

13:44

climate change right and

13:46

and we're going be living in a

13:48

world living which national security is

13:51

shaped by climate change

13:53

and and so i do think that like

13:55

part of this is it's

13:57

often a messaging challenges it's scrabble

14:00

have generals god may kiss on climate change

14:02

reach audiences that don't

14:04

really care about i know environmental issues by talking

14:06

them to this presents that's all true but

14:08

i think the other thing has happened is governments

14:11

interview orient themselves to recognize

14:14

that is nasty challenge and the us government's

14:16

hasn't done that said to see the one example john

14:19

kerry's special envoy still

14:21

kind of like that's great but

14:23

it's still like their these people over here who

14:25

do climate change in movies people over here

14:27

to diplomacy rest air to trust and

14:29

so i'd like to see both the messaging points

14:31

that this is framed around security but

14:34

also frankly the integration of climate

14:36

change into the , of bureaucracies

14:38

national security and in countries around the world

14:41

yeah absolutely and look at the that really

14:43

true and fourteen the us has gotten

14:45

distorted by fossil fuel industry

14:47

lies in their ability to buy off politicians

14:50

and now climate change is fully

14:52

tied into the culture where as he ran the

14:54

republican think the alameda like like

14:57

the issue is a o sea wanting to oh

14:59

many cows so they stop for the abs like

15:01

is like idiocy this

15:03

stuff is gonna like imagine that's going age

15:05

you know like million but it's gonna look like and

15:07

ten twenty years i made by i think what it looks like now

15:10

but ambient speech this case of these

15:12

issues it these , question

15:14

what is national security because the

15:16

national security that kind of protection of

15:18

people's lives the

15:20

on climate and

15:22

mx like these are much

15:24

more dangerous to us

15:26

and taking issue than you're worth taking she's

15:28

up at airport or yourself i

15:30

do think that the democrats and

15:33

i'd welcome republicans and soon like

15:36

framing national security differently not

15:38

accepting the frame the nascar does just that

15:40

in a stack

15:43

rak and stack of terrorism war is terrorism

15:45

support for israel like you know like know

15:47

t nascar use these other things to for sure

15:49

a noel on twitter as what your thoughts

15:52

overall a nuclear power as a clean generation

15:54

method do the risks both real

15:56

and perceived out where the rewards even

15:58

with the impending climate crisis

16:00

the global scale developments and fusion technology

16:02

change anything great question

16:04

i'm nowhere near smart enough to know

16:07

what the reality as was using technology

16:09

feel like every couple years i read

16:11

that were on the cusp something new and i read

16:13

that now we're nowhere close i've no idea

16:15

i do you think you're you and i lived

16:18

through we didn't we know that chernobyl but we

16:20

live studio fukushima disaster

16:22

in japan and that showed

16:24

the enormous downside risk enormous

16:26

downside risk of nuclear technology in

16:30

the us for long time like the the

16:32

climate movement

16:35

environmental , was was

16:38

nuclear power yeah coaching to change that

16:41

he hoped that stats are pretty stark

16:43

nuclear power plants generate about excess

16:45

of the electricity in the u s and about half

16:47

of our carbon free electricity the

16:50

nuclear plants in the us getting shut down sexy

16:52

cheaper to get power from natural gas so

16:55

you know what prefer that all our power come from

16:57

you solar panels and stuff absolutely

16:59

to think that's feasible today not even close

17:02

so guess my position would be do not close down

17:04

existing plants keep investing in r

17:06

and d to figure out to make them safer and

17:08

more efficient but i mean i think

17:10

right now nuclear kind of has to be part the answer

17:13

yeah this is a really interesting question

17:15

and and again i welcome your listeners

17:18

yeah tommy wareham or heads out elsewhere were wrong

17:20

i i

17:22

when was in glasgow are you glasgow

17:25

day climate change summit i'd tucker

17:27

bunch of people in one

17:29

of the things that kept coming up with this like

17:32

the emissions goals the

17:34

speed of transition that is required this

17:37

kind of like it's hard to

17:39

see absent some technological

17:41

breakthrough the just we're not that

17:43

hasn't happened were not aware of i'm

17:46

wearing a mask ailing up have the potential

17:48

of hydro power something new

17:50

clothes clothes way the

17:52

has to be part the equation here and

17:54

couple of examples like good the

17:57

one is germany right so editor

18:00

mama miracle

18:03

decided to basically shut down germany's nuclear

18:05

power plants that

18:08

decision is

18:10

part of contributed to the

18:12

building these type of hindsight bring in more

18:14

oil and gas from russia so

18:17

both increasing dependence on fossil fuels

18:19

climbers you an increasing depends on russia

18:22

and , as you kind of the danger of

18:25

walking away from nuclear

18:27

and least before you have renewable

18:29

alternatives to nuclear right that's one

18:31

thing the other thing is in this is something

18:33

out about in glasgow not from for the french

18:36

by the way the french get lot of their power

18:38

from nuclear and

18:40

one of the things it did that is can required

18:43

to allow the developing world

18:45

said tend to not rely on fossil fuels

18:47

is to give them quicker

18:50

and available sources energy

18:53

on big scale yeah and

18:55

nuclear plants or

18:57

actually you get and available

19:00

option for that because you

19:02

know in people know how to build them you

19:04

know people know how to get energy

19:06

out of them and and that can be

19:08

done on a timeline that is feasible

19:11

for this transition so again i'm

19:14

the or environmental reasons skins and nuclear

19:17

powers their security storage of the ways

19:19

yes georgia the waste yeah there

19:21

are necessary reasons like says he either

19:23

proliferation risks with that you are

19:25

relying on on nuclear that

19:28

, i'm currently in

19:30

place where it's hard to see how we don't

19:33

return to the a

19:35

global reliance to some extent

19:38

none like out a whole extent you actually want

19:40

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the country's have right leaning governments to do not

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prioritize climates the pears cards

24:17

were a decent starting point but it's bare minimum

24:19

we can do

24:21

fair fair and you know you

24:24

, a we talked to justin trudeau bad

24:26

there's a bit i mean

24:28

there's kind of it a multi track

24:30

your approach sec one is like elections

24:33

right and trying to elect people care about climate change

24:35

on that should be taken as given enough

24:37

requires as enough requires trudeau

24:39

said like some either

24:41

persuasion the of

24:43

people who aren't convinced climate change

24:45

or are , policies

24:47

like he talked about designing his cap and trade to

24:50

basically provide like a subsidy

24:52

yeah to did to individuals

24:54

yeah yeah that that's in mix

24:56

more attractive i think beyond that though

24:59

we have to understand and this

25:01

is really important for climate movement climate

25:04

indices something else i took away from that glasgow

25:06

experience where it becomes so underperformed

25:08

people's expectations and

25:10

in for lot reasons if you even

25:12

where had a government committed to climate change because joe

25:14

manchin isn't we

25:17

, probably not gonna spend the seven

25:19

hundred billion dollars or there was comey

25:21

good down payment on transition we

25:24

have to accept that governments

25:27

these are not going do enough you

25:29

know a whiskey pushing on added trend

25:31

change that but that means

25:34

pressuring businesses pressing

25:37

private sector oppression financial institutions

25:39

and people understandably right

25:41

be think roll their eyes at

25:43

be climate finance

25:46

decorations are made are you know trillions

25:48

dollars in finance for renewables

25:50

or when com companies make

25:52

these kind of vague promises to be carbon neutral

25:54

by some you're in the future you know

25:57

but that and actually may be

25:59

that that activism needs

26:01

be directed at much at corporations

26:04

and financial institutions as governments

26:08

so that we we aren't just

26:10

sitting back and waiting for governs do the right

26:12

thing here you know yeah it's really about moving

26:15

money into queen energy and out of

26:17

fossil fuels as fast as possible

26:19

and and lastly it's also about individual

26:21

consumer choices right like how are you powering

26:23

you're homer else is there a like

26:25

wow much energy using the like and

26:29

and so i think fit like to has to kind a whole

26:31

of society approach

26:33

taken to climate so that

26:35

you not putting all your eggs in the and

26:37

the government basket frankly so

26:39

what it sounds like you're saying is

26:41

that you are an investor in the

26:44

company that the former ceo

26:46

of we work started to put

26:48

carbon credits on the block chain

26:50

the dude adam human race seventy million

26:53

dollars most of it from my a sixteen

26:55

zero

26:57

would you give more money the we work either

26:59

rattling i said , first

27:01

guy is neither here dirt percent of the guy

27:03

that i would add something and nesting doll of zambia

27:05

yeah like give give much money to

27:07

add to the protests i had i do

27:10

think there is a real place for i'm

27:12

for private sector investment especially like

27:14

big swings shit like season technology

27:17

be as yeah means a lot of those companies

27:19

are and fail yeah like i don't look

27:21

look i read i the

27:24

bleed profoundly support government

27:26

action as nice as said to justin trudeau like

27:28

this government can accelerate

27:31

climate changes in ways that nobody

27:33

else can cause i can change laws and regulations

27:36

but like even in this country like we could

27:38

lose congress and not have not have at passing

27:40

climate legislation for awhile in

27:43

we pass it we have this kind of right

27:45

wing reactionary supreme court that might strike down

27:47

as was like we just have to be working

27:49

every lever we can we can pull here and

27:51

any he i don't feel the tagline we're

27:54

gonna be able to salvage technological breakthroughs

27:56

is kind a right wing non caught

27:59

climate nine talking point

28:01

but that didn't change the fact that like pressing

28:03

and pushing and pressuring in

28:06

every direction you can isn't still

28:08

something the have do to hedge against governing max

28:10

yeah also just remember that you know atomic

28:13

wanna go on so bad here but the us

28:15

historically speaking historically responsible for

28:17

like one third of the total

28:19

excess carbon ever released in the atmosphere

28:21

through the industrial revolution so industrial

28:23

think our job here as to just be to lead

28:26

and create economic incentives that make it

28:28

easier for other countries to follow and not like

28:30

make this just make collective

28:32

action bottleneck wherever action winds that well

28:34

as and he doesn't do in time isn't there was one of

28:36

us doing values after yeah we had we

28:38

gotta get all seventeen also not binary like

28:41

progress like we'll

28:43

on twitter wants to know what are some of the issues

28:45

trends we you don't focus on too

28:47

much the which think are going to be

28:50

front page issues in next three or five

28:52

years and you time

28:54

to take an edible now

28:56

man wish i did guy well anyway just

28:58

pretended it of yours mine okay

29:00

artificial intelligence when reading this book about

29:03

ai no , knows when it's gonna happen

29:05

but some point twenty years fifty years two

29:07

hundred years years going to machines that

29:09

are smarter than us and those machines

29:11

will know how to program

29:13

selves to become even smarter machines like

29:16

adults and item and we no idea where

29:18

that's gonna that's and the

29:20

movie version of this is always like very

29:22

very dark you know from terminator

29:24

to act smart and i always we win in terminator spoiler

29:27

but i'm you know like

29:30

we ultimately will have to code some

29:32

sort of ethics into these machines into

29:34

what their goal is and what they want do

29:37

arm or a meets he likes maybe

29:39

debatable whether we'll be able to code fx

29:42

into things that become super intelligent

29:44

so fascinating

29:47

kind of scared think about i'm

29:49

not thrilled when i think

29:51

about the current crop us technology

29:54

big thinkers since the concerned

29:56

they're selling with current technology is

29:58

about like ethics in

30:00

morality i'm also worried that humans seem

30:02

predisposed to use all new things

30:05

to hurt each other so you know

30:07

there's were and yeah it does and aspect to

30:09

this like the like

30:11

and like and just kind of terminator

30:13

blade runner or like the killer

30:15

robots angle but a

30:17

i is gonna be normalized and warfare

30:20

yeah and ways that reduce

30:22

the cost of to in human

30:24

life

30:25

launching was she the taser drone

30:27

the i'm company voted for schools yeah

30:29

i mean just crazy shit is our yachts and

30:31

tic tic build surveillance states like see

30:34

him and and was from china's

30:36

diet trance yeah that's yeah good met trend

30:38

i would say casino we know we talked about

30:40

climate

30:43

three five years like as a good timelines

30:45

for taiwan depends a boil i

30:47

think the thing the thing spotlight the

30:51

there we talk about but not as something

30:53

that is going to get like

30:55

exponentially more

30:58

intense migration

31:00

this now like the

31:02

current estimates from i when the you and migration shitty

31:04

is that they're two hundred and eighty

31:06

one million international

31:09

migrant out and twenty twenty mostly

31:11

by wars or yeah we end it but

31:13

it's wars it's also just like the

31:16

population growth in developing world

31:18

is is so enormous and

31:21

there now technology right the that

31:23

allows people the see what

31:25

life is like in different places to have

31:28

like to be put in touch with human

31:30

traffickers or smuggling routes

31:33

the , that you're just going stop migration

31:35

which is kind of default political

31:37

third third in the and

31:39

most advanced democracies these

31:42

numbers are gonna the multiplying

31:44

hundred million two hundred million three hundred million

31:47

like as climate change also

31:49

kicks in and there's resource scarcity

31:52

and some the most intense resource care to cities

31:54

mean places like south asia and

31:56

places along the equator sub saharan africa

31:59

am i the think that we don't have system

32:01

globally the manage

32:03

migration flows it that systems already

32:05

broken and is that it's about finding

32:08

homes for refugees it's just

32:10

about the idea that enormous amounts

32:12

of human beings are going to be on the move

32:15

in ways that bring political instability

32:17

and ways in which there's just

32:20

there's nothing they can absorb that

32:22

right into when looked out five

32:24

ten twenty years you're

32:27

right like climate change the

32:29

development new technologies and a

32:31

i in questions that's gonna raise

32:34

the migration of people like this

32:36

is the future that were going be dealing

32:38

with and it is it's not

32:40

near these kind of needs national

32:43

security issues it of dominate our debates

32:45

the last antonio north

32:47

korea iran like big met

32:49

trends are gonna be remaking

32:52

the the world around yeah our

32:55

on twitter great name

32:57

love that in from northern ireland but i live

32:59

in madrid that's cool few months

33:01

ago ted cruz give big feast of lox

33:03

members spanish far a party or

33:05

the dams and the other left wing parties

33:07

across world doing enough to work together not just dems

33:09

beating with uk labour ps definitely

33:11

me for pm censuses feels like as

33:13

written for yeah yeah yeah the answer's no

33:16

we're not doing enough

33:17

the i thought this

33:19

for while we talked about summers show i'll

33:21

try to the be concrete about it

33:24

and away in a moment i will say

33:26

that like one the times is really hit

33:28

me is i went to spain

33:30

would you madrid where l is currently

33:32

living having ,

33:35

a different weather environment and the northern ireland

33:37

a new downs will be for belfast

33:39

great move javascript marie and

33:42

i was there like the week after

33:45

the ban had visited

33:48

spain to kind of bless the new vox pardew

33:50

rates and the thing to me

33:53

said that i'd say that this is like then

33:56

there's an asymmetry in terms of how

33:58

the right coordinates the left corner

34:02

the other the last the

34:04

best you have conferences

34:06

and i am going to what should make him as we

34:08

rights a democracy gotta sides but

34:10

, your conferences you have parliamentary

34:13

exchanges yeah you have liked the david

34:15

lammy to the world meeting with the the chris

34:17

murphy to the world and that's great that's all really

34:19

important stuff stuff there's couple

34:21

things missing like one is i think we

34:23

don't in imposing the

34:25

question we do need to look more than discount

34:27

democratic party labour party like

34:30

i don't think there's the connectivity with

34:33

some the other social democratic parties in europe or

34:35

the green party's certainly not

34:37

with you know emerging

34:39

progressive wieters in places that white america

34:41

like gave a breach do we talked about doesn't you know

34:44

so so you need better can activity

34:46

among parties globally on

34:48

center left the progressive left but

34:50

didn't really important if you look what the right does these

34:53

are not just people meeting with

34:55

each other they share political

34:58

strategies they share political messaging

35:01

they literally share media platforms are

35:03

activate they like they have a crooked

35:05

media

35:06

a global could be bannon as international

35:08

interviews all this year end but the then

35:10

they're also like there's like versions

35:12

of breitbart in different countries and

35:14

right there they they

35:17

it by the way they share rich

35:19

donor types

35:21

by up the media rights if you look at

35:23

the the inroads for the right in places like

35:25

central his nerves you literally have

35:27

like right when people buying up median turning

35:29

him into propaganda and and organs

35:32

rights of in way that like we feel

35:34

you get your hands dirty rights it

35:36

and so i think that did this delete

35:39

the needs to be taken is not just on the dialogue

35:42

but , literally the much more active

35:44

coordination among

35:47

progressive people on center left in

35:49

the media space in the social

35:51

media space and messaging space

35:54

in the ways in which political campaigns iran

35:57

one of better things happen i added the obama

35:59

years in this you're where where we we

36:01

had a lot democratic backsliding but

36:03

some of the people

36:06

that modeled their own politics

36:08

on the obama await campaign we're

36:11

justin trudeau and emanuel

36:13

mccrone and

36:15

, like like was toolbox

36:17

made me think like we should have created a roadshow

36:20

after the way campaign to go teach

36:22

people how to do that known for say some are

36:24

consultants didn't they are they pick some that

36:26

horses from time to time yeah yeah

36:28

and sometimes they want to read consultants of

36:30

your name any names out

36:33

there are no humor him yes and as other islands

36:35

of but ah so i do i dissing sv

36:37

like toolkit has toolkit brought into yep

36:39

and brought and yep see this to like i

36:42

would like to see the the us

36:44

administration the more willing

36:46

to to to dabble in stride

36:49

so like trump when he was president

36:51

had didn't you didn't worry

36:53

about when you came fucked with them

36:55

about blacks yeah didn't he didn't he didn't make

36:57

his he didn't wasn't battle of making his

36:59

preference known like

37:02

i think it was difficult because of

37:04

the war ukraine obviously but like no

37:06

the us government by mission

37:08

kind of your you didn't hear them put some

37:10

on that scale on hungry election i'm

37:13

yup that said nancy can help send him to get her

37:15

and they can her but but do just think that like

37:17

we have an interest if we an interest in democracy

37:19

succeeding not like matter

37:22

of my like meddling in elections i'm sorry email

37:24

like building solidarity with

37:26

of course of course course and david lammy

37:29

would make agree brand great mobile

37:31

started farmer certain set of farmers are so

37:33

that's a masseuse one forced to them

37:37

you know it's not like beggar i'm glen

37:39

on twitter as and glenn beck glen robinson

37:42

angry mob greenwald on one of about what

37:44

would it take to make people care more about what's happening

37:46

in myanmar the great question glenn

37:49

i would start by saying it would take a lot of concern

37:51

people like you you know like the saved

37:53

our for movement was incredibly effective the

37:56

grassroots organ meat

37:58

there was money behind it but it was an amazing like grassroots

38:01

organizations county that twenty

38:03

suavity deeply flawed deeply

38:05

deeply flawed effort to bring attention to an

38:07

issue but like i did you can go

38:09

sort of show that citizen activism

38:12

can go a very very long way

38:15

mean obviously i didn't edu world you are not

38:17

doing it you know just from your laptop

38:19

in california you are like lifting up the stories

38:21

and voices and opinions of people in myanmar

38:24

while diaspora but mean

38:27

the there's some there's some space here for souls that

38:30

you know it's engine and and i'm glad we

38:32

got this question i actually

38:34

i was talking someone the

38:36

from the me and my position recently

38:39

the

38:39

kind of resume thing and your

38:42

, were saying like it's obviously continue

38:44

to be very bad assets the military

38:46

is not like loosening it's grip but

38:49

did you know the opposition there

38:51

been a substantial number military defections

38:55

the , that that she was making is

38:58

that there's both the ongoing

39:01

humanitarian and political catastrophe

39:03

of school but there's also an ongoing

39:05

resistance that very broad and deep in

39:08

terms of the question one

39:10

example is actually the

39:12

first time that the ball

39:15

got american should myanmar when

39:17

long since you choose imprison the know

39:19

burma was pretty decent place

39:21

disconnected from like

39:23

kind of core american national street interests

39:26

but there was this kind of interesting movement

39:28

that built up around her

39:31

also run rights in burma generally that included

39:34

you're lot civil society organizations

39:37

the burmese diaspora diaspora

39:39

lot of like there's like lot

39:41

like faith based organization is

39:43

his birthday and raised baptist just

39:46

as bad that baptista ethnic minorities

39:48

are and what does people did was smart

39:50

is they found sentence and congress

39:53

right who took up this issue

39:55

the bio a bizarrely including mitch

39:57

mcconnell but that's a whole separate story in

40:00

honor the is that whole history because even when

40:02

something does have broad public attention if you

40:04

have like tenacious champions and congress

40:07

like that will keep this on the agenda

40:10

will keep sources of funding and

40:12

oversight of the issue and so it

40:14

it's about building that kind of broad civil

40:16

society movement

40:18

, keeps attention something that targets

40:20

congress to to be involved

40:22

and doesn't have to be every member but just find the champions

40:25

demobilizes diaspora hop years and to care

40:27

about this this frankly

40:29

like if like , a national study frame

40:31

to this burma i would

40:34

argue that the nexus of lot of things you care about

40:36

the democracy verses autocracy peace

40:39

china and

40:41

, rising influence in the world world

40:44

the of natural resources that

40:46

there are like lot of intersecting american

40:48

intersecting in in burma

40:51

and inside do think that like going

40:53

back and looking the playbook use in the eighties

40:56

nineties to pressure the burmese

40:58

government around on some cities

41:00

and political freedoms

41:02

and even of ethnic minorities gem is important

41:04

but then also maintaining and building connectivity

41:07

to the burmese opposition you know

41:09

so that they are know they have lines

41:11

into washington and york and los angeles

41:13

goats places that have influences countries

41:16

that matters to free tibet is another good

41:18

example obviously was ultimately they have not achieve

41:20

their know and frankly it's completely faded

41:22

from the limelight but again like you know there were massive

41:25

concerts and then in the mid nineties

41:27

was sort of like a cause celeb

41:29

literally and to death in have been

41:31

, were studying this hard one ben johnson

41:34

, view be nominated ambassador

41:36

to any non nato nine g

41:39

twenty country which would it be

41:41

and why what

41:43

are these didn't announce your heart i'd

41:45

see it now the

41:46

time i did and yeah i in here's why

41:49

like it checks on my boxes right it's

41:51

food food i like ed let's

41:53

face it that's five from laser light like it just

41:55

just amazing foods the

41:59

important country like really like

42:01

in in in in it's an important country and

42:03

really interesting ways it's like right

42:05

at the nexus of like the china us

42:08

competitions right the heart

42:10

this emerging region southeast asia great

42:13

travel options right so like

42:16

if you're in vietnam you

42:18

could hopscotch around southeast asia

42:20

southeast you can smell your part world is fascinating

42:22

endeavors and compelling lots

42:25

of good food yeah the

42:27

, people super friendly people in my experience

42:30

like some of very best people as

42:32

skyn have heard from friends and save a like

42:34

staggered super like nice

42:36

charming compelling compelling

42:39

, is so i'd i'd

42:41

like i'd goods in his the history like

42:44

easier to wrestle with is very complicated history

42:46

to overcome it there's

42:48

, issues the go without like

42:50

the cleanup of agent orange and

42:52

or and is a lot of stuff happening it's yeah that's

42:54

really good one i was thinking this it's

42:57

less of ah

42:58

more safe call but new zealand would

43:00

incredible oh yeah like one or most beautiful places

43:03

in world i know the language that helps

43:05

the are i'm far less likely to get

43:07

shot in mass shootings ashley of gun

43:09

laws that have actually not joke you

43:12

can scout can scout zombie apocalypse property

43:14

totally i give i meet peter jackson that you

43:16

have that many people are amazing political

43:18

leadership yeah but a cinder i mean

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again you're not the most convenient

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are you not to ten i think know that in the

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what you get i get versus a

47:41

of the as you like vs better than ten yeah

47:43

holy shit yeah shocking

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to me i i

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i , i mean we can all like

47:50

ten is obscene things started all but

47:53

there's development and like

47:55

depth to the yeah the sound

47:58

and lyrics and vs i like the a

48:00

the obama party over the

48:02

summer that everyone flipped out about for

48:04

absolutely no reason for copd reasons i

48:06

found myself in the like

48:08

portage on with eddie vedder after

48:10

having had several cocktails

48:13

and i think i said something to him like thank for

48:15

making old music that defines my

48:18

it'll conical years i this may be

48:20

like i'm this may be of will too revealing

48:22

of like when i was is like versus

48:24

go get came and like play like the height of

48:26

my

48:28

the next right as probably like six years

48:30

length and like like elderly

48:32

woman behind counter railway guy

48:34

threats and i see yeah i

48:36

know that yet lower end it like like

48:39

that hit me aggressive me very directly

48:41

i was like says i hate to sound like olds

48:44

nerds but on their as i go viral

48:46

tweet that someone sends me once every six months

48:48

which shows like seven albums that are came out in

48:50

the same basically forty four day period ninety

48:52

one there was like program ten guns

48:54

roses your illusions one into red hot

48:56

chili peppers or blood sugar sex

48:58

magic the metallic black album soundgarden

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dad motor finger which finger didn't listen to the

49:03

and then nirvana nevermind like some other more

49:06

the clinic albums a good deco

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mean those are some fucking bangers i dare

49:10

i mean i do think like the

49:12

chris cornell fans i get it but like i soundgarden

49:16

he get on my list will say the

49:19

you collapse use your illusion and one album

49:23

i mean that like this just monster

49:25

miser it was strange don't cry

49:28

number rates that was also the height of video

49:30

music video iraq and aren't he was met

49:32

them i was having conversation some today like i

49:35

know this happens all the time constantly throughout

49:37

history things are massively relevant

49:39

in the get replaced by still hard to

49:41

explain to people

49:43

how big of deal mtv was and

49:45

now it's just kind a gun jammed and guns

49:47

and and how big a deal guns and roses when race

49:49

they are unfortunate could never follow that up because

49:51

they knew they couldn't get along hard

49:53

drugs whatever they did have the

49:56

best album name for the follow

49:58

up the took them like twenty years

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the was very good chinese democracy half

50:02

a world i'll just and good grades

50:04

it's a gene args have execute he put the

50:06

years ago but as as history it's a

50:08

gene are put out an album and like ninety ninety

50:10

two it was as good as use

50:12

your illusion the chinese democracy

50:15

would china be democracy great ray

50:17

question

50:18

would been there when to change yep it's

50:20

also hard to overstate how different nirvana

50:22

sounded compared almost everything

50:24

else at the time it was just like blue your head

50:26

i grew up with the hair bands and like daily stuff

50:28

and like when something like there's cricket cobain

50:30

it was like a second

50:32

the man and ten came out right then too

50:34

there was a those are the to seattle around those

50:36

with two things because what's interesting about that list

50:38

is it use your illusion canada best

50:41

an end of the hair

50:43

rock period up and then like ten

50:45

and and and the

50:47

smell the confederacy the beginning of were

50:50

just like getting made fun of talking about talking neighboring

50:52

the neighboring was ah anna wants to

50:54

now advice young adults wanting to get into foreign policy

50:56

work after college grad school there's

50:59

a hard one because i lox my way into it i'm not

51:01

glad you guys i got a job with rock obama

51:03

on at two thousand four campaign that

51:05

is it any issues sort of worked for the right person

51:08

or a by i was lot luckier

51:10

than i was smart you and more the think

51:12

tank he i went think and grab but then

51:15

like that the block i had was working

51:18

a campaign

51:19

that elected brock i'm president

51:21

yeah another thing the people who said

51:23

are what you don't work for hillary ob

51:25

blackboard and i got i've literally got taken

51:27

out for like multiple times before

51:29

i knew that sky go with you guys

51:32

hey don't work on that campaign cause he's been losing you will

51:34

get job and other it's i will say this

51:36

a in i gave lot of coffees with the

51:38

of people younger people on

51:40

this question i'm going to

51:43

them is like there's actually a lot more

51:45

number one don't resume don't right so

51:47

don't be like while have to get this

51:49

master's degree and in this interactive

51:51

programmes to then i want to

51:53

beat that you know if i'd try

51:56

to do that actually never would have ended up in the white house

51:58

granted that i've had some lot a too

52:01

it's much of a bigger feel did you have to

52:03

run with particular you're like fresh calls

52:05

for grad school because people tend to

52:07

think it's like do i go to career and government

52:10

and that's great but there's campaigns

52:12

right campaigns lead to government

52:15

jobs in ways that allow you to

52:17

know get to work with principal gets know politics

52:20

in comments but then also they're

52:22

international and he owes the that i think people

52:24

don't think about enough you know like get out in

52:26

the field that you're young you're flexibility go

52:29

living somewhere else there's peace corps

52:31

there's that this guy that that the bigger

52:33

ones saved children's in the eye or seasons

52:36

but then there's a smaller one some really interesting

52:38

compelling small and jos around the world

52:40

doing accountability work during development work

52:43

on so so there

52:45

there's a get a diversity of diversity of

52:48

into this year then there's a think tank

52:50

ruby like the young person now been

52:52

set up conferences era do research

52:54

for someone who's writing a book on

52:56

and and so i would advise is take

52:59

a long look at the biggest possible

53:01

spectrum media like you

53:04

go work and and dot time for documentary production

53:06

company on something else did there's lots of

53:08

ways into this and take advantage

53:10

of the flexibility is you have in your twenties the

53:13

be able to pick up and go live someplace else with

53:15

that i pogo campaign another country and

53:17

like love you know the traditional bass are join the

53:19

military to foreign service exam or

53:21

join you the intel community i'm pretty

53:23

damn interesting and those rollins singh has

53:25

and kurds and but also like there

53:27

are year abroad gov is broader

53:29

wages and ah at geek

53:32

ten i think this one is ah when

53:34

hitting international airports you hit

53:36

the airline lounges or hang out in

53:38

the general terminal prefer skipping lounges

53:40

myself i don't really have

53:43

guess depends on how long layover it's like

53:45

sometimes

53:47

what do like fifty bucks to go like that dot

53:49

the lounge or something like i you know the

53:51

big the if you had david ever eight hours

53:54

i would have allowance so here's the thing

53:56

i'm actually in for guy for

53:59

like sometimes hit the

54:00

sounds because like if have like the free wine

54:02

you know i'm absolutely gutted perfect

54:04

yeah but like i actually love

54:06

airports i'm in this is probably like a

54:08

precocious point but it it still

54:11

holds like if you're if a

54:13

long way over my guy

54:15

like a weird asian airport like singapore

54:18

or like japan as i'm like

54:20

fashion airports like i just kind of

54:22

walk around yeah i kind wander

54:25

around and i just kind like people watch

54:27

mean europe that is malls in in europe they've

54:29

got his and weird upscale malls and

54:31

an engine always gonna stop and get beer somewhere

54:33

near and so i actually light light bird

54:35

like i like the more foreign the airport

54:37

is the more into it i get and i do

54:40

like to just kind of wander

54:42

people watch by something weird

54:45

like have like the local food

54:48

you have beer

54:49

the a guy actually lot like gets kind of happy

54:51

space for me yeah blogger there's

54:54

something mean obama you saw is served

54:56

this was his one complain about the presidency

54:58

there is something just really sign about wandering

55:00

in crowd that anonymous

55:02

something like cool and freeing about it it in

55:04

airports and like i feel like i'm stepping out

55:06

of all the anxieties my life in i'm just in this

55:08

kind of weird transitory place

55:10

there were like ridley not stressed

55:13

unless i'm trying to make point yet perfect i

55:15

do like yeah i also like i get

55:17

em when you get this i'm sure to like i liked it is rhoda

55:20

like or whatever has an airport and like some random sitting

55:22

somewhere the

55:23

world over your head and eight yards saxon

55:25

we idea he fit on the us a one

55:27

time i left my i was coming back

55:29

from a trip in europe and i left my

55:31

laptop on plane and then i crossed

55:34

out of the euro zone into like and i

55:36

to figure how to get back in his and named said

55:38

don't do that arm is the answer

55:40

one time i back

55:43

when i was smoker

55:47

i left my passport in

55:50

one those like we're allowed to yeah

55:52

hoof and was in like singapore

55:56

and i could have been completely fucked

55:58

like brilliant like

56:00

oh yeah oh yeah and and

56:03

very nice person like gave to like

56:05

the verne as per person at the than

56:08

out of can get arrested for him saying this but i like

56:10

a new year is hit snow there was just

56:12

like wow like i like when a big

56:15

boards and life i dodged some that the

56:17

don't that go to the i don't take passport

56:19

either pocket i'm going to summarize is fine for

56:21

andrew on twitter

56:22

you've got republican friends what is the sixty

56:25

second pit with the elevator pitch

56:27

for why democrats are better than

56:30

republicans for boss well

56:34

i wanna say we get into fewer wars yeah

56:36

i was about to i write about the ones obama started

56:39

and iraq and iraq think any to caveat that little

56:41

more well more well

56:42

that one in iraq know i'm saying

56:44

the idea you know libya people

56:47

are so i'm thinking about what people going to read at

56:49

me

56:50

i will be like well like there's a couple ways

56:52

to go on this or in didn't works

56:54

up as before because it's good to can talk it through

56:59

because i like one way to do like the

57:03

republicans got us into war neurons

57:05

full stop that it's like he was able

57:07

democrats said a farewell never against noted

57:10

that the final second pitches like the

57:12

iraq war is where republican foreign policy

57:14

let us and destroyed the

57:16

world order and it led

57:18

to the rapid diminishing of american influence

57:21

and , of democracy promotion

57:23

around world world

57:25

and here we are read so like that may

57:27

be the shortest one i think

57:29

the longer one is it actually like

57:31

republicans have no foreign

57:33

policy right now they don't know whether

57:36

they're hawks you like to get into wars or

57:38

america first was like donald trump democrats

57:40

have have steady

57:43

competent reliable foreign policy

57:45

that tries keep hundred out of wars while keeping

57:48

us safe and advocating for

57:50

democratic values and if you're a

57:52

republican who like ronald

57:54

reagan in things stood for your

57:57

party didn't send for that anymore you're

58:00

democrat who didn't like the iraq war

58:02

like were ones front of rent the next one mean

58:05

think i actually do think democrats have much

58:07

more real estate's on foreign policy than

58:09

republicans is it i'd say i figured out

58:11

why you're talking

58:13

nine eleven happened and george w bush has watch

58:16

and then invaded iran country in response

58:18

depth cheating as a good policy

58:20

how about it yeah yeah i'm an

58:22

but he's right the elevator pitch point is

58:24

a good one in and sit in in the

58:26

elevator pitch for us the

58:28

in obama i think we'd good one and away

58:31

the which is essentially like barack

58:33

obama opposed to swore that never should been

58:35

raged he will authorize

58:37

or wage yes hillary clinton was that either

58:40

i guess he will wind down the wars

58:42

focus on the terraces actually attacked us

58:45

and restore america's standing and supporter

58:47

of our democratic guys run the world's could sell and

58:49

was a really good tied pets yep and

58:52

, in the world little more we're the more

58:54

complicated in complicated them are

58:56

but says something like that something like

58:58

like the critique with like

59:00

that the quick which is like if

59:03

you want be proud to be american if want

59:05

be and this is something would say to a

59:07

patriotic republicans soon be

59:09

proud of your country on the world

59:11

stage stand for things

59:14

on world stage and have an

59:16

example of setting a democrat example

59:18

in this country that is relevant around the world like

59:20

the only option is this for democrats like

59:23

like didn't the rest the world looks

59:25

republicans as as a party

59:27

does increasingly the

59:30

trustworthy not competent enough the

59:33

put him democratic values certainly

59:36

nationalist and not focus on the

59:38

singular threat to the entire planet

59:40

basis with as climate is that to yeah i'm

59:43

george wants to now because as like on

59:45

the road from us talk about the and be files two minutes

59:47

for getting the heavy stuff this is task

59:49

as we're recording us on wednesday june eight gonna

59:51

go out a week from today i

59:53

know what we know that when the the yeah albeit

59:55

incredibly dated by

59:58

i will say i mean this is like my the

1:00:00

series is he teams are just so fun

1:00:02

and young and she the lights

1:00:04

out when they want to and everybody seems to able

1:00:06

like i mean the celtics hundred

1:00:09

on in that game one fourth quarter and

1:00:11

away you rarely see a team deal and then

1:00:14

dumb steve curve drew up

1:00:16

some plane coming out of have time and

1:00:18

the warriors destroyed the celtics

1:00:20

in the third quarter of the second game the

1:00:22

way this is like anna nobody else can do

1:00:24

it staff does and were clay does when he's on

1:00:27

and it's just it's blast yeah

1:00:29

i guess what it is like this series is like

1:00:31

why i love the indian

1:00:33

think it's doing the best of any major professional

1:00:35

sports are now because it has other things

1:00:37

i love bet m a got a high wattage stars

1:00:39

like steph curry

1:00:41

god really amazing and guys you know

1:00:43

injure huge things like jayson tatum it's

1:00:45

got kind of weird mix of different

1:00:48

lineups you know that these teams can

1:00:50

run out it's got like eccentric

1:00:53

personalities like draymond green marcus

1:00:55

smart it's got like politically active

1:00:57

like coaches like mc voters yes

1:00:59

is made up of yeah yeah boy and got the

1:01:02

international confirming do nigerian power

1:01:04

yoga not a i do not a proponent both

1:01:06

players and coaches so like if you look at

1:01:08

did this series it encompasses

1:01:10

a lot why the ba is like of

1:01:12

all the league's the one that i feel like it

1:01:15

is in a girlfriend bedevilling embraced

1:01:17

these guys being themselves and sang

1:01:19

with i want say and away they think is like benefiting

1:01:22

the league and long run you know charlie car can

1:01:24

pretend he's turning us sports

1:01:26

first life clay travis because in whine about

1:01:28

it like there are watching the whole world watching

1:01:30

yeah the i don't think the mbs i suffered

1:01:33

because feel now add like some

1:01:35

my winners like the attack them over some took a knee

1:01:38

and yeah yeah twenty seven to in this

1:01:40

arena one then from caesar on twitter are

1:01:42

banned for last world cup you told me at your book

1:01:44

to stop in seattle that argentina was

1:01:46

going to going all the way worse

1:01:48

than gotta true and accountability from caesar

1:01:50

who are you rooting for this year news gonna win it all

1:01:53

yeah some real accountability because i i write

1:01:56

years of see not right about that i'm

1:01:58

rooting for the

1:02:00

that you have to talk the first item

1:02:03

in a when a i

1:02:05

might be seen

1:02:07

interesting okay good the pander choice

1:02:09

would have just been say ukraine only one of their and

1:02:11

not a bit they are they're they're they're they're

1:02:13

prop they have to win one more qualifying match

1:02:15

to get in i think they beat scotland and

1:02:18

think that be wales are but i

1:02:20

england's got like you the almost

1:02:22

one euro

1:02:23

they've got this young team supervision

1:02:25

guys the one

1:02:28

one of these cops are going break through through

1:02:30

did the england's in the us draw

1:02:32

we can both get outside only one hundred we get booked

1:02:35

out of a dry it's are slightly i'd around

1:02:37

and euro playoffs that's ukraine

1:02:39

that that's how they also like privee

1:02:41

i in the ukraine so i

1:02:44

don't know but think that

1:02:46

an eye out of tentatively

1:02:48

go thing when but people should be taken

1:02:50

no men and boys are here i know they are uniformly

1:02:53

series with roger bennett our yeah

1:02:55

like one the nicest human beings that are mad

1:02:57

if you love soccer he said listen to the men

1:02:59

in blazers podcast as uses read his book

1:03:01

to cut the guy dislike born and raised

1:03:03

in liverpool move to the u s like loves

1:03:05

america more than any human being i know

1:03:08

that's like when republican demagogue

1:03:10

immigrants it's always the immigrants who

1:03:12

love this country moore's interface

1:03:14

regina quite super video of convert

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address i'm bored i talk a lot

1:03:18

about the institution

1:03:20

of fifa sports washing like

1:03:23

and how hard was incessant get more it's like

1:03:25

you i should you for the same with i do about the nfl

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sometimes like i love football

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i was for bought every sunday i played

1:03:31

football in high school i like i

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i not watch what like there's

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some real moral qualms with league the way they

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make decisions way players are treated way

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injuries are not soccer sign right

1:03:43

it's think roger has similar frustration

1:03:45

and feelings about fifa

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yeah the that the international body

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the decision making the leaders the bribes

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the corruption i to tell you that this

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is actually started to in really impact

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my and this is not virtue signaling i

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swear god but again felt

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the it's something i'm i'm from

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like roger get else seems like a pretty

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they can't do all horrible guy layered adam

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silver the as though you again vs

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concussion stuff and they're both i'm i'm

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like basketball baseball guy with a

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look i love football so watch it so

1:04:17

get i get it get it soccer

1:04:19

one sounds i love it but like it it

1:04:22

is hard to unpack the

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kind of

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web of international soccer enough it

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is grossly anthony refuse is

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which sq like the most

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there is handing out bags of cash and cash and

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yeah business brazen press f lease

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on twitter ask what's ask book may be read

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in high school or college the made you

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think he wanted to learn more about the world as opposed

1:04:44

united states the her question

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that's a great question i

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mean i'd season the starting

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point on the doesn't

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directly answer the question but to me

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like i studied abroad

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and it was completely transformers

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me because it like where were you i

1:05:05

was in paris so that go have

1:05:07

like that is a rip embark on the sand i

1:05:09

was having a good at is a good time reading

1:05:12

fiction but remember i was there during the day

1:05:14

and really dating myself and get some serious

1:05:16

like guess your weight of america knows

1:05:18

clinton impeachment out and the

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, thought that was the funniest fucking thing

1:05:23

the world really is there like what are you talking about

1:05:25

like our president have like is you know

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know at his funeral like at

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but like a not saying i agreed with that

1:05:33

causes lot of hair on the clint like clint

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pitchman him as it comes behavior

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is nice why yes the point i'm

1:05:39

making is it like seeing my

1:05:41

country they are radically different perspective yeah

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that's the thing was that's the us and i won't understand

1:05:47

like a with both getting know of

1:05:49

the foreign place but also

1:05:51

likes booking where i was from from

1:05:53

the perspective of like

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a foreign lands you know that to me

1:05:58

was like oh this can change the i think about everything

1:06:01

because you can change not just like oh i can learn

1:06:03

about this other culture it's also

1:06:05

like i can look my own culture from

1:06:07

from from another window unit yeah i diverse

1:06:10

antlers rants i studied abroad i was in italy

1:06:12

i'm mostly in florence we traveled

1:06:14

everywhere sets another good place i've visited some

1:06:16

some friends either europass and this

1:06:18

is it's like the call it is amazing but are

1:06:20

yeah this was like right when it does pre nine eleven

1:06:23

said right when the euro zone was about

1:06:25

to be coming to fruition says he get around

1:06:28

and also you looked at the kind of

1:06:30

the version us history that your i were

1:06:32

taught in school started and seventeen

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seventy six the hum and

1:06:36

you know when you're i know that's obviously like

1:06:39

very fucked up but when you're in country

1:06:41

like italy and year running

1:06:43

around and you're seeing get roman ruins

1:06:45

to you know renaissance artists

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i mean you just like the sweep of yeah places

1:06:50

in transferring that their dad it's

1:06:52

it stretches your understanding things i think

1:06:54

for me on books front and

1:06:56

it was usually novels a i i remember

1:06:59

i'm

1:07:01

taking a lot classes in like foreign

1:07:03

literature in college and i

1:07:06

, reading on a hundred years solitude

1:07:08

by liberal or cousin

1:07:10

it was site oh i'm

1:07:12

like similarly to studying abroad as like

1:07:16

these people are just looking at the world

1:07:18

since very different records yeah interesting and i

1:07:20

wish remember mordant things read in high school

1:07:23

and college yeah yeah

1:07:25

i was stretching my no

1:07:28

brain to remember book and then i'm irritable

1:07:30

as costa rica

1:07:33

tosses right glasses my of european literature

1:07:35

turn sooty those

1:07:37

are you can college is this little bastion

1:07:40

of like insane liberalism in

1:07:42

rural ohio but the

1:07:44

political science farben was like super

1:07:47

right wing neo con leo

1:07:49

strauss he in i didn't really

1:07:51

know what it to time think there are probably

1:07:53

big push supporters yeah might

1:07:55

not am sure like seltzer day and was

1:07:57

it an impact my views but i'm i

1:07:59

did my

1:08:00

physical science classes at the baker institute

1:08:02

at rice nine james a baker he teach

1:08:04

classes know he didn't but like the you

1:08:06

know and and i don't know that the that the faculty

1:08:08

was perfectly right wing but like there was a there was

1:08:10

definitely like a presence of that bush baker

1:08:13

george p bush went to college of magic costs

1:08:15

of them really yeah it was i took a great

1:08:17

tragedy yeah i gotta

1:08:19

say wait second factors that are

1:08:21

funny that is a yeah

1:08:25

i , great tragedy with george bush

1:08:28

a a [unk] linear

1:08:30

i did we read like euripides and stuff we read

1:08:32

the article is like a way

1:08:35

like that is interesting think about now that

1:08:37

is the lead of mark leibovich mark

1:08:39

, know if a last

1:08:41

question just for kicks this from noel

1:08:44

i dunno else a favorite taylor

1:08:46

swift song fan

1:08:49

in canine read album so

1:08:51

this is really important question all because i have two

1:08:53

daughters your phone got evans i listen to

1:08:56

like an extraordinary amount telescopes on

1:08:59

friends family faraday adams will be love

1:09:01

taylor set my personal favorite

1:09:03

the cardigan that might like i

1:09:06

like that folklore album it's

1:09:08

great and i can tell ya mckenzie it's and

1:09:10

my kids kind of your like wickets

1:09:12

you they move past it and addicts hey let's

1:09:14

sister are now folklore heard as it's you

1:09:16

know up and into that's my number one

1:09:18

i will say of

1:09:21

the that the that shake

1:09:23

it off is like a turn on and my kids love

1:09:25

shake it off and they do dances and stuff and it's cute

1:09:27

yeah she is incredible

1:09:29

songwriter they were clearly

1:09:32

works her ass asked to that album written

1:09:34

and produced in the pandemic i believe there's

1:09:37

like one the artist is smart enough to work with great

1:09:39

people going says why work with jack and thus

1:09:41

jump bleachers sneer at the bleachers

1:09:43

bleachers have been corrected when

1:09:46

she's got that national gallery

1:09:48

the national languages there and like all these guys

1:09:50

you know like that she she's really she's

1:09:53

super interesting yeah interesting also

1:09:55

respect artists that embrace collaboration

1:09:57

and give credit and like she features that

1:10:00

in the documentaries that she does for

1:10:02

disney plus or whatever but these shows the

1:10:04

, who pretend that they just like

1:10:06

hide and cried it out of and cells are

1:10:08

full shit that's just not at works you know it's funny

1:10:10

which emily favour of appreciate is that my kids

1:10:12

are we had explain to them because they like my

1:10:14

oldest can read so that she reads the songs and in

1:10:16

the car and we had explain what taylor's

1:10:18

version was mm mm now they

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only want to list i like they got mad really

1:10:23

because in folklore doesn't say television and i'm like

1:10:25

no no this is after that had to explain like the

1:10:27

before after i guess i'm just gonna say

1:10:29

tommy like a taylor swift if

1:10:31

if you want come on a podcast anytime

1:10:34

we won't ask very personal life like we just want

1:10:36

know what want us to what you think about world

1:10:38

and a we had justin trudeau on wheel

1:10:40

to wheel shit on scooter braun oh

1:10:42

man are living in yeah yeah well as

1:10:44

good will try to get the bgs people on the scooters

1:10:46

you know yeah i'm that's

1:10:49

all we got for questions we i for going

1:10:51

be off next week's you're gonna hear

1:10:53

from ben solo can be solo

1:10:55

join

1:10:56

and as get some cool people lined up the scope

1:10:58

it hagan think so like boy i'm

1:11:00

excited years good what i'm jealous of you getting

1:11:02

spending time with these folks

1:11:04

that we will name later will be

1:11:06

greater good folks ah

1:11:09

i'm sorry miss all you

1:11:10

people who've been for some of the americas but yeah

1:11:12

yeah well but thanks everybody the great questions

1:11:15

i'm thank you again jared

1:11:17

kushner for again watching a

1:11:19

master class taught by a fiction writer

1:11:21

to help write your memoir james patterson when you

1:11:23

know you're just going to hire ghostwriter did well that's

1:11:25

the thing does anybody think he's actually writing you

1:11:27

clown it's kinda like the anecdote

1:11:29

the he probably be dad because he thought made

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look good and [unk] doesn't we i mean like

1:11:34

oh yes sir you've three

1:11:36

months i mean i like was pretending sobbing lilies

1:11:38

peace but they on you

1:11:40

to tests and away your last his

1:11:42

yeah you could have helped prevent an insurrection

1:11:45

the that sounds better to me on paper

1:11:47

then a the masterclass

1:11:50

you could have yeah this lot things you

1:11:52

get it done to hit it out the i don't really i

1:11:54

just got everything i guess the lineup a two billion i read

1:11:57

says yes it really worth

1:11:59

though rogan in the and i'm

1:12:01

like oh my god i got bunch of it's

1:12:03

we're all gonna die and and whether everybody knows

1:12:05

not in the as like to have not

1:12:08

no align myself with yeah and some

1:12:10

are married into a trump family and speaking of

1:12:12

greek tragedy choices yeah just i guess just

1:12:14

a total before encouraging yeah gross

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yeah weird edible stuff happening anyway

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