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- I'm really excited about this one and the, the integration being able to do both Apple Podcast

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to see this get off the ground and people to be able to implement this.

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with some sort of membership plugin now.

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1:03

Welcome. Let's dive in. - I'm Mackenzie Bennett, marketing

1:08

specialist here at Blueberry. - And I'm Mike Dell, the VP

1:11

of Customer Relations here at Blueberry.

1:14

- And I'm Todd Cochrane, CEO, and founder of Blueberry Podcasting.

1:17

Today, we're going to look back on 2023

1:21

and review all the features we've added

1:23

and some of the other things we've done this year.

1:30

Well, I'm gonna tell you, it's been a big year.

1:33

The whole team's been busy, and if we look back at the list, matter of fact,

1:37

I was kinda reviewing the whole roadmap for 2023

1:40

and it was just like, oh, oh my goodness,

1:43

look what we have done. And it, it's quite a list, isn't it?

1:46

- Hell yeah. And we still got more to come, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's something

1:50

that I'm sure we're missing something. I, there's been things that came out

1:55

that we didn't make a whole lot of hoopla about. So <laugh>,

1:59

- I'd say I'm just proud of what we've done this year.

2:01

Like we're little, we're looking at the list,

2:04

but in terms of what we actually got out there for people,

2:08

I'm happy with what we chose to provide them.

2:11

- And not only that, it's the amount of social

2:16

documentation, all, all the other content that we've added

2:21

to the website, especially in the last quarter

2:23

of the year has been pretty tremendous.

2:25

But I guess we can just go down the list and,

2:29

and talk about probably the, the, the highlights.

2:33

And the first thing that we came up the gate with was the,

2:36

the Apple Podcast subscriptions and making it available for podcasters

2:40

to monetize their podcast over on Apple Publishing

2:44

through the blueberry dashboard. And that was, that was a pretty big effort.

2:48

- Oh yeah. We spent lots of time with Apple in meetings and,

2:52

and the dev team worked with their dev team

2:56

and we got it done. I think we're still one of about four

3:00

or five companies that, that do this. So

3:03

- Yeah, I, I think there was two added in the last couple

3:07

of weeks, but, you know, we did this at the beginning

3:09

of the year and here it's almost the end of December

3:12

and they've, the other companies are just getting around to do it.

3:15

So I feel pretty good that we're that far ahead in, in the list.

3:19

Of course, quick Links was something that we put together,

3:21

and matter of fact, we're, we're gonna refresh Quick links

3:24

almost the next probably month or two with some new features as well.

3:28

So for those that don't know, quick Links is where

3:32

you can have, uh, a link at podcast show board slash your keyword to be able

3:38

to promote your show. It's just kind of a, almost like a Link Tree

3:42

type of replacement. A little more than that at this point,

3:45

but yeah, that was, that was put in place as well.

3:48

- Yeah, and that's a, that's just a, a quick easy to say

3:52

thing that you can put in your show. You know, you say go to, like,

3:56

in this case our Quick Links page is, uh, podcast

4:00

show slash podcast. Since we built it, we got to get the good keyword.

4:05

- Yeah, we ca we, we captured the, the major keyword.

4:08

So go ahead. What's, what was next on the list? - Media Mastering by Onic.

4:13

We partnered with them to have just an integration in our system

4:19

where people can use Onic to master their media

4:22

before the episode is finalized. But it's a really easy solution of they just upload the file

4:27

to us, we do all the work in the background,

4:31

and then it just goes out. - I'm pretty excited that this was put in place

4:35

because for many years I used the software version of Onic

4:40

and matter of fact, they are not updating that version

4:43

of software anymore. They want you to use their cloud-based solution. Yeah.

4:47

So you can't even, you can't even get the software version

4:50

of a phonic anymore. And I think I paid 3 49

4:53

or something like that for the commercial license. - Yeah, it's up there. I I have it as well.

4:58

And, and lately I've just been using Mastering

5:01

'cause it's so much, uh, easier. You, yeah, click one tick mark, uh, in the uploader

5:06

and you can upload the wave too. You don't even have to convert

5:08

to MP three if you don't want to. - Yeah, that's actually the best way to do it too,

5:12

because I've taken the, now basically when I get done

5:16

with my Wave file, I just save it in the show name

5:18

and upload it, and then I'm essentially working on show notes.

5:22

And by the time I'm done with the show notes, the, the media's mastered.

5:25

And for those of you that don't know what a phonic does,

5:28

but this media mastering it, it levels your media,

5:32

it removes noise, there's a whole bunch of settings for it,

5:35

and they're, they're world class and we're really, really happy to be integrated with them.

5:40

And it's a, it's a great add-on, and it literally saves me

5:44

probably 10 minutes per episode in the publishing process.

5:48

- Yeah, and, and what, what's really nice about, like,

5:51

with this episode, we're recording here, it'll go

5:54

through Onic and, and our editing team and all that stuff,

5:59

but you know, Todd McKenzie and I are all in different places

6:02

with different microphones and different levels.

6:05

We don't have to worry so much about the

6:07

leveling when we're recording. We do a pretty good job,

6:10

but this just really tweaks it so that you're not reaching

6:14

for the volume knob every time Todd talks and,

6:17

and so on and so forth. So it's pretty, pretty handy.

6:23

- And let's go ahead and move on. What's next on the list?

6:25

- Yeah, we did a lot with Podcasting 2.0, of course,

6:29

we talk about that a lot. So it's been kind of an ongoing process,

6:32

but we did get value for value in this year.

6:37

And also the live tag, the, the, so

6:40

where you can notify people that you're going live,

6:43

but the value for value tag is a way to stream Satoshi,

6:47

which are micro payments of Bitcoin to your favorite

6:53

podcaster, or you get them from your listeners.

6:56

And you can also send Boosto grams, which are kind of

7:01

like paid comments or super chats on YouTube

7:04

or something like that. But we, we've made it really easy with a partnership

7:09

with Albi and, or get Albi

7:12

and you can link your G get ALB wallet

7:15

or your Fountain wallet or if you have a Lightning address,

7:19

you just do it whatever address you got.

7:21

And, and it works pretty seamlessly. - And there's a whole bunch of other features

7:26

that we've added as well that just goes beyond

7:30

what Mike has talked about here initially. We have a whole page that is basically dedicated

7:36

to talking about all the, all the features that are out there.

7:40

And, um, I'm pretty, uh, pretty pleased that we're,

7:44

we're one of the top adopters

7:46

of the podcasting 2.0 initiative to expand the capability of

7:52

RSS and bring lots of cool features to lots of, uh,

7:54

new podcast [email protected].

7:58

- And the beauty of that is that, that none

8:01

of this stuff is required. It's just adding value to your feed, to

8:08

apps that use it. It's great. And I've, I've actually had a lot

8:12

of people switch to us because of our support for Podcast 2.0 or Podcasting 2.0.

8:19

- One of the most exciting products

8:21

that we brought online is an add-on called the Thrive Bundle.

8:24

And the Thrive Bundle is exciting in that we are continuing

8:29

to add more features to the Thrive Bundle.

8:33

And we first launched it, I think we only had four features. Three

8:37

- Or four, yeah, - Yeah. But we've continued to add more products to it

8:42

and more, I mean, basically it's just additional features

8:44

that were, we're, we're adding on

8:47

and we're gonna add some more stuff to the Thrive Bundle

8:51

in the next quarter or so. And what happens there is if you've got the Thrive Bundle,

8:55

you've already got the ability to do dynamic ad insertion,

9:00

pre-roll in the stats, you can compare,

9:03

do episode comparison of up to five episodes versus the three you get not on.

9:09

You can track listeners and subscribers.

9:11

That's a whole new chart that you only get

9:15

in Thrive in Stats. Average Daily Plays is another one

9:19

where you get a unique metric. We've added the ability for you

9:23

to have additional information within Quick links

9:25

with hyperlinks, value for value and analytic stuff in Quick Links.

9:30

We've got Apple Podcast reviews within the blueberry stats

9:34

dashboard is allow, uh, also there,

9:38

and again, this is a, an A bundle add-on that is available

9:41

for a $10 a month added to your hosting plan.

9:45

And again, we're gonna continue to add value to the,

9:49

the Thrive bundle that allow you

9:51

to get more value at over that over time.

9:54

And it's, I I think right now the plan is, is to continue

9:59

to add features to it, because again, this isn't, this is incremental stuff

10:03

that's just onesie twosies here and there on different products

10:06

where you get a little bit in stats, you get something in Add insertion.

10:10

Not everyone needs all these things,

10:13

but at the same time, if we add enough value,

10:16

there might be three or four of those features that we've,

10:19

uh, added in the Thrive Bundle that, uh, makes it worth

10:21

that extra $10 a month. - One of the next things

10:25

that we added this year was we didn't update to our stats.

10:29

We added some more data points so

10:33

that you're getting more out of your stats without having

10:35

to get the Thrive Bundle. There is not good information in there,

10:39

but some of this we just added, we were like,

10:41

this is just new and relevant information. We have it, let's just add it to

10:45

the current plans that we already have. - And stats is something that's continually looked at,

10:49

and if you're listening to this, you say, wow, Todd,

10:51

I I really wish that you had this as a stats component.

10:57

Feel free to drop us a [email protected]

11:00

and say, Hey, I wish we wish we had this in the stats.

11:03

And these types of inputs we get from those of you

11:06

that are using our services really go pretty high on the

11:10

list on what we should adopt,

11:13

because usually more than one person's thinking about the

11:15

same type of an idea. So when we get these ideas, we put 'em in a bucket and,

11:20

and keep track of 'em, and then they go into our overall timeline of,

11:25

of adding features to the service. Something fun that we added was, uh,

11:29

badges and achievements. And basically what what we have really found is

11:33

that we've gamified some of the features within Blueberry

11:36

to say, if you adopt this, you get this badge.

11:39

If you reach this level of number of episodes published,

11:42

you get this badge and certain achievements. So the badges and achievements is fun

11:46

because it allows you to take those awards

11:51

and take the embed of those, those and put 'em on your website if you want to.

11:55

And, and we even have event badges where we went

11:58

to podcast movement and there was a badge, - Right?

12:01

And if you come and visit us at an event, we'll give you a badge for that.

12:04

So yeah, it's, it is a lot of fun. We, we spent quite a bit of time figuring out

12:09

what badges we wanted to use, and of course, Aaron, our, uh,

12:13

graphic artist did a really great job making

12:16

those things look good. And yeah, it's, it's, it's a really cool thing if you,

12:20

if you haven't played with it, it's right there in your dashboard

12:23

when you sign into Blueberry. - Our directory had been pretty, I guess for a better words,

12:29

I wouldn't say stagnant, but basically we didn't have the full directory of podcast

12:34

in it for a long, long time. And we made an initiative to update the directory now

12:39

to include, I think 3.5 million podcasts are in the

12:43

directory at this point. So the directory now has a full list of shows

12:48

and it's maintained actively and updated. So that is one of those things, one of those initiatives.

12:53

As a matter of fact, it's ongoing. It's a, it's a thing that we, we look at on a,

12:57

basically almost a weekly basis to make sure it's updated

13:00

and clean so that you can find all the shows at

13:03

within our directory. If you use our directory,

13:05

- I believe we pull both from Apple and Podcast Index.

13:10

- Yeah, I believe so as well. - One of my favorite things that we did this year was we

13:15

released a podcast stats, P-W-A-A-K-A, a way for people

13:20

to access and review their stats on their phone in like a,

13:24

basically in a mobile app, we've always had people

13:28

saying like, I want this data now.

13:31

And just given that it's a lot of information, we were

13:34

very happy to be able to put it into a mobile access

13:39

that is just really simple to understand.

13:41

It's clean, it's accessible for everyone.

13:44

So I thought that one was really cool.

13:47

- Yeah. And that's an example of something

13:50

that people have asked for through, you know, asking us,

13:53

Hey, you know, here, I, I would like to have this.

13:56

And, and that's one of those examples.

14:00

And the next one, uh, the playlist players.

14:03

- I do, I do wanna add something to the stats PWA.

14:06

So those of you that haven't implemented this,

14:09

you can essentially, when you add the stats PWA

14:12

to your mobile device, you have an icon, right?

14:15

As a, as a normal app, right. On your mobile device.

14:18

And you click the blueberry icon

14:20

and it loads stats in a PWA.

14:24

So basically you don't have to log into Blueberry or anything.

14:26

It's, it's the regular icon is right on.

14:29

- Yeah, it looks like an app, but likes

14:32

- An app. Yeah, it's an app. It's an, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a mobile PWA app,

14:35

but again, you have the, in the app, right, on your,

14:38

on your mobile device, whether it's Android or iOS.

14:41

- But to get it, you have to download it

14:44

and get it from being logged into Blueberry.

14:47

It's not something you can go to the app store and get it functions like something you would get from the

14:52

App store, but that's not where you are actually acquiring it.

14:55

- Yeah. You, you acquire it right in the stats

14:58

menu. And if you've had tr - There's a popup that comes up towards the bottom

15:01

of the screen and just click that away you go.

15:05

- And if you've had any troubles accessing that, let us know.

15:08

We wanna make sure you get access to it. - Yeah, and like I said, the another example

15:13

of a requested feature, it was an embeddable playlist player.

15:18

Now we've always had that within PowerPress where,

15:21

but the player had to be within the same website

15:25

that you're generating here podcast with.

15:28

So what we did is we made an actual iframe in bed

15:32

that you can use, whether you're using Blueberry Publisher

15:36

or Power Press, and that can be put on any page.

15:41

Also along with a playlist player, we have a latest episode player, so if you just wanna

15:46

landing page, you throw that in bed

15:48

for the latest episode player. And so your latest episode will always be on that page.

15:54

- And this is one of those features that was kind

15:56

of lingering for a while. We had, like Mike said,

15:59

we had this playlist player build in a power press,

16:01

but it wasn't super functional, it just listed like the last 10 episodes.

16:05

And with this new player, we've got options.

16:08

Again, like Mike said, for you to be able to set the number

16:11

of episodes you want to be shown again, if you just want

16:15

that most current episode to play or to be displayed.

16:19

So it's, it's quite the improvement. And if you haven't messed with that, get into the dashboard

16:23

and, and grab it and grab the embed and,

16:26

and drop it on your website. Or if you have a, a partner,

16:29

maybe they go on a partner page. One of our, one of our big, big projects this year,

16:34

and we've got a variety of third party services

16:36

that maybe a lot of you don't know about, but Podcast Mirror is a product that we've had,

16:42

I think since about 2017 or so. Yes.

16:46

- Something like that. Yeah. - And it was a free service.

16:49

And what we've determined was, is that

16:52

with everything else happening in the world, it was time

16:55

to update it. And number two, we improved it to a point

16:59

where we felt there was enough added value

17:01

to make it a paid service. So Podcast Mirror was improved, it was, uh, implemented

17:05

with a lot of podcast 2.0 stuff that allows folks

17:08

that are on hosting platforms

17:10

that do not have any podcasting two point implementation,

17:14

they can get a half dozen or so Podcast 2.0 features as well

17:19

as a little more integrated, uh, service.

17:22

So we switched that to a paid service.

17:24

And matter of fact, the free users ran out here a few days ago, so now the,

17:30

the service is 100% premium. But I think those, you do

17:35

- Get it if you are hosting with Blueberry,

17:37

- Yeah, you're hosting with, that's great. But one thing I will mention, if you're hosting with us,

17:42

especially if you're hosting on the Blueberry dashboard,

17:46

there's really no reason to use Mirror

17:49

unless you want the flexibility of being able

17:52

to potentially move host later. But as a hosting customer, you do get it for free as part

17:58

of the service, but you really, if again, if you're using the dashboard, you really don't need it.

18:03

Now if you might, if you're a Power Press user and you might wanna consider it if,

18:07

especially on a low cost hosting plan,

18:10

and that was, was was really initially designed for,

18:13

was folks that were on a very inexpensive hosting plan

18:16

that was getting hit too hard on their, on their RS assessments.

18:19

WordPress, yeah, yeah,

18:22

- Yeah. And the, the thing is that the feeds

18:24

that come from Blueberry publisher are really exactly the

18:29

same technology as smear under the hood.

18:31

So there's no advantage other than, like Todd said,

18:34

potentially switching hosts, but we hope you don't do that.

18:37

- And matter of fact, if you are on the dashboard,

18:39

you get more, there's more features.

18:43

In other words, on the podcasting two point implementation,

18:45

there's some stuff we can't carry over from the dashboard to mirror.

18:50

So Dashboard is always the best place

18:53

to implement any podcast 2.0 features.

18:55

'cause you get the whole stack, not the half dozen

18:58

or so that we were able to implement on Mirror.

19:00

- And then the last one here is premium podcasting.

19:05

And similar to what Apple does we did at the beginning

19:08

of the year, we've sort of replicated that in a way, uh,

19:13

with other apps that can use password protected feeds.

19:18

That's been an ask for a long time too.

19:21

We've always supported it in Power Press,

19:24

but this is a complete solution.

19:27

It's a $10 add-on, plus we take a cut of,

19:30

of your subscriptions. But you publish your, your premium episodes,

19:36

your paid episodes, whether it be for, you know,

19:40

early release exclusive content

19:43

or add free versions, uh, whatever you wanna do there.

19:48

And what's nice about it is you can do it right in the same,

19:52

uh, post or the same episode post.

19:55

You can do Apple Blueberry Premium and public all in one.

20:00

- And I think that was, uh, what people thought.

20:03

So far, the feedback I've gotten has been the most

20:05

innovative piece is if you are already publishing

20:08

to Apple Podcast subscriptions or Apple Premium by having the Blueberry Premium podcasting,

20:15

you basically have two ways now to monetize your content.

20:19

They can do it through Apple directly

20:21

or you could do it through Blueberry.

20:23

Now the Mike mentioned that the add-on was $10 a month.

20:27

We do take 15%. So 15% for all the,

20:31

and we take care of all the credit card processing fees,

20:34

everything goes along with that. So if you have a $10, you set your,

20:40

your premium podcasting at 10 bucks, you'll get eight 50

20:44

from us on a monthly basis. - I think Apple takes 30, don't

20:48

- They? They, I think they take 30. The first year might be lower.

20:52

Don't quote me on that. Yeah, - I don't know for - Sure either <laugh>.

20:55

Yeah. But definitely it's a way where you,

20:57

and you give, we give you a landing page too as a podcaster.

21:01

You get a a a landing page to send your

21:04

potential premium podcasting customers to.

21:08

I'm, I'm really excited about this one

21:10

and the, the integration being able

21:12

to do both Apple Podcasts and premium podcasting at the same time.

21:18

There was, we've had a, a list of people that have been waiting for this for a while.

21:22

So I'm excited to see this get off the ground

21:25

and people be able to implement this.

21:27

And I really don't have to use any third party services.

21:30

And even folks that have been using PowerPress

21:32

with some sort of membership plugin now,

21:35

their big hassle was always integrating Stripe or PayPal

21:39

or some sort of payment platform,

21:41

which was always seemed to be the, - It's always clunky, - The clunky part of it.

21:46

And we've taken care of that. We manage the subscriptions for you and collect the money

21:50

and, and then distribute payments.

21:53

So yeah, I'm really, really excited about premium podcasting.

21:55

And again, we, that's been on the street now for just, just a little while.

21:59

So it's a brand new product. - So of course we talked about a lot

22:05

of the podcast 2.0 stuff, but we've been slowly adding all kinds

22:11

of different features to Podcast 2.0 or,

22:15

and we call 'em features. And that's the thing, a lot of people, a lot

22:19

of people call 'em tags and this and that and, and,

22:22

and that's, that's kind of geeky.

22:25

So we've kind of integrated them like our transcripts,

22:28

that's part of podcasting 2.0, which we did last year.

22:32

And to our podcasters,

22:36

they don't necessarily know that that's Podcast 2.0.

22:40

It's just a, a cool feature <laugh>.

22:42

And so we, we definitely have put some effort into that.

22:46

And of course we're working on more. - So McKenzie, we've had a whole bunch

22:50

of other activities go on this year. You wanna get into any of that

22:53

or did you have something to add? I'm sorry. - No, just about the podcasting 2.0.

22:57

So like it's, Mike, you said like it gets pretty geeky

23:00

and that's like great for you and you and Todd <laugh> like you, you love discussing that.

23:05

For me, I think it's just like, I understand it

23:08

and I can appreciate what all of these different like initiatives behind it,

23:13

like all these different tag items and why they exist

23:16

and why they're trying to implement them.

23:18

But I think it's gonna be a slow adoption. It's, that's really what it's gonna be.

23:23

It's not gonna be a creator adoption. Like initially it's gonna be companies have

23:29

to provide these options for people to actually wanna do it.

23:32

There is, there is a lot of interest in

23:34

what these tags are like, the funding, the locking, the,

23:38

the value for value, all of these things. It just has to be very simple for people

23:42

to actually be able to do. And I think by us doing that,

23:45

and by hopefully in 2024 we see

23:48

more hosting companies implement it in a simple, easy

23:52

to understand way as well, then things will happen.

23:56

- It's one of the reasons why we've built everything

23:59

to this point to make it, it's basically a feature

24:02

and we've tried to completely remove the geek.

24:07

I understand the geek, the average podcaster does not need

24:10

to understand the geek ery. They need to understand,

24:13

they need to understand the purpose. What is this going to do for me?

24:17

And ultimately, and as these features are adopted in more apps,

24:23

and I think now there's about a half dozen apps

24:25

or have most of these features, is that your,

24:30

the ultimate goal, the ultimate goal of the initiative is

24:35

to keep your listeners in the app and at the same time being able to interact with you,

24:42

the host within the app across a variety of features.

24:46

And basically it's, it's really, it's a partnership, um,

24:49

multi-level partnership that there's benefits

24:52

for the app developers, there's benefits for the,

24:55

the podcaster. There's, there's benefits for the listener.

24:59

And in the end what it really, really boils down to is this,

25:04

it's a multifaceted collaboration.

25:06

It's just not us putting out features. It's also apps de deploying these features within,

25:12

within the apps or even on some websites.

25:14

Now in the future, we're gonna be coming out with some cool stuff that will actually help you take some

25:19

of those features and, and promote 'em in your own way.

25:23

And I guess I won't go too much into, into that,

25:26

but I think the - Skunkworks - <laugh> the, yeah, the ultimately though,

25:31

as Mackenzie as you said, this is a slow roll adoption

25:36

and there's the chicken and the egg thing

25:38

and what we really decided to be was the chicken

25:42

and basically making sure that everything was in place so

25:46

that as the egg was dropped <laugh>, then it basically,

25:49

the egg can be cooked and it can be utilized across these

25:52

different platforms. 'cause if we hadn't adopted it, the, the apps wouldn't.

25:56

So we decided to be a leader along with four

26:00

or five other hosting companies and adapting these features to be able to take advantage,

26:05

basically feed the Feed the

26:07

Beast, I guess is the better way. Feed the system. - We have never shied away from implementing something

26:12

that it seems a little know over the top for someone

26:17

that we think could have great adoption in the future.

26:20

- Yeah. And we know this is gonna be a couple

26:22

of years up ramp.

26:24

I have no, no doubt. But there's some stuff that's pretty cool

26:27

and I just recommend if you're trying to say understand

26:30

what we're doing is to go

26:32

to the podcasting 2.0 introduction page

26:35

and just read through and there might be three, four things there that you say, wow, that I should implement

26:39

that you don't have to do 'em all, but some of are set and forget.

26:42

So that's the beauty of <crosstalk>. And - Some of 'em are under the hood too, that you,

26:46

you're already participating and you don't know it <laugh>. Yeah,

26:48

- You don't dunno. So we also had a big team meeting in June, got together

26:52

that didn't, that basically drove a lot of our development

26:55

for the last half of the year. But we had an end of a chapter too.

26:58

We closed the office and, uh, Mackenzie, how much

27:01

furniture have we got left to sell? A little bit still,

27:04

- We have a little bit left. So if anyone is looking for some

27:08

significant office furniture, we have a beautiful

27:12

l-shaped desk and two combined

27:16

dual desks. I, so that's about it.

27:20

Otherwise we, we cleaned house in that office.

27:24

So many people, like so many people on our team were able

27:26

to take equipment home with them. It was, it was just like a, a nice ending to

27:32

what was a very successful and fun office in person.

27:36

But we've just shifted with the world. Yeah.

27:39

- And that, what, is there two people left in Columbus now?

27:42

- Yes. <laugh> - And, and that, that Jack

27:45

and Jill, I call it a Jack and Jill desk.

27:47

Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I tell you, if I had a place for it, I'd have it.

27:51

It's, it's, they're probably the nicest desk

27:53

that we had in the office, but all of it was I think Schoolcraft or

27:58

- Steelcase. - Yeah. Steelcase about $80,000 worth of furniture.

28:02

And again, most of it went home with the employees

28:05

and then we sold a portion of it. Yeah. So there's also, we attended some events,

28:10

can't even remember all of them. Yeah, - <laugh>.

28:13

Yeah, I was trying to put together a list, so thank Sure.

28:15

- There's a couple missing <laugh>. - So starting off like at the beginning

28:18

of the year there was podcast and podcast movement evolutions.

28:24

So I'd say those are January, February,

28:27

March, sometime around that time. You guys attended those in April we had

28:32

National Association of Broadcasters in Vegas.

28:37

TD show. Yeah, we had a TD in May

28:41

that we attended and then in Diego. So yeah, rounded it out

28:45

with a podcast movement in Denver in August

28:48

- And then Lana attended AWS reinvent

28:52

and was on a panel there.

28:54

So even our dev team got in on the action, which is good.

28:58

- Oh yeah, they attended a, a conference in Austin

29:00

as well not too long ago to just continue learning Yeah.

29:04

- PHP conference of some sort. So dev team doesn't always tell us what they're doing.

29:09

Exactly. So <laugh>, - Our, our first big event will be podcast in January.

29:14

Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. We're going to London in May.

29:18

We're going to podcast movement evolutions,

29:23

wherever that is. La l Yeah, LA And then we'll be somewhere else.

29:29

I don't know if it's in Vegas or where podcast movement is.

29:33

- I wanna say dc - DC oh maybe it is in dc Mm-Hmm.

29:36

<affirmative>. We are not going to be going to NAB in April, though.

29:40

We're, we're dropping that conference. Just not enough. ROI.

29:43

So I might end up sure about - ATD either.

29:46

- Yeah. I might end up going to NAB myself, I don't know,

29:50

but if it is, it'll be for be personal. It won't be company-wide.

29:53

But other than that, I think we're, and we've had some other query inquiries,

29:58

so if you have an event, let us know. We'd like to potentially participate.

30:03

So I think that brings us, that was a pretty busy year.

30:06

- Yeah, definitely. And, and getting rid of the office I think has helped now

30:12

that, that we're not paying that bill

30:15

for one thing, but that's right. I think now we're getting a lot better at

30:20

collaborating over Zoom and, and other ways

30:24

and hopefully, we'll, we'll still have a in-person meeting every year.

30:27

- Yeah. My question is where are we gonna do it in Mexico

30:31

or where are we gonna do it? Yeah, - Some someplace Nice. Yeah,

30:35

- Someplace - Warm. Either that or we'll go back to the old way

30:38

and do Chicago in the winter. - No, we're not doing that. <laugh>. <laugh>. Okay.

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