0:00

Speaker 1: or round two. Speaker 1: So it's more casual, so it's more free-flowing.

0:04

Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting that you do a round two like that. Speaker 2: I actually call mine the round two polycast.

0:08

Speaker 2: I was actually. Speaker 2: It was gonna be something like. Speaker 2: Something kind of like fights round two, ding, ding, boom Like fight.

0:16

Speaker 2: And so like, instead of having a long form interview, I would just do like a 30 minute, like, hey, let's catch up what's new with you that kind of thing.

0:22

Speaker 2: But yeah. Speaker 1: I think what's been alive for me recently is just going with the flow and just where I'm at and, like a lot of you know, we connect, we're engaging on Twitter and for me it's been interesting to kind of see.

0:39

Speaker 1: That's been like top of mind, like if I'm feeling something or I read something or I go through quotes of books I've read and highlighted before, I'm like, oh, that's alive for me, so I just post it.

0:49

Speaker 1: So it could probably do a better job of being more consistent with an actual like plan for content and growing.

0:56

Speaker 1: The following, and it's on my website what are you talking about, though?

0:59

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love doing that kind of stuff. Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think I just you know, I think I saw you chat and I'm like, oh, I really enjoyed our conversation last time.

1:07

Speaker 1: It was pretty high vibe and I'm just curious about what's happening in your world.

1:11

Speaker 1: What's been what you've been liking about your recent conversations?

1:14

Speaker 1: It sounds like you're speaking to a lot of interesting folks, and so I just kind of want to have the space to see what comes up as just in what you feel like talking about.

1:24

Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty open. Speaker 2: I couldn't actually even recall if today was a recording or just us chatting, and I was down for both.

1:29

Speaker 2: I was like let's do it Either way, either way and I think that's the kind of mindset that was perfect for this kind of situation.

1:35

Speaker 2: Yeah, when it comes to the podcast, the Polygoth Polycanus is my show.

1:41

Speaker 2: I don't remember how long was it the water two years ago that we did our initial meeting.

1:45

Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: Cause over 2020, it was just so much opportunities.

1:49

Speaker 2: Everybody was stuck at home and that's when I started doing it.

1:52

Speaker 2: I always wanted to do interviews. Speaker 2: I always loved that idea.

1:56

Speaker 2: I saw Lewis Howes or Gator V and I was like I want to do that and I modeled.

2:00

Speaker 2: I saw the way they did it, the way they had that presentation, the way they structured the show, how they researched their guests.

2:06

Speaker 2: Even Cause Lewis Howes had a whole podcast or a blog post on that and it's very interesting about how I knew what I wanted to do.

2:13

Speaker 2: How do I do it? Speaker 2: Well, matchmakerfm came out, which was that podcast host and guest tool matching platform.

2:20

Speaker 2: I was one of the first like 30 people on there. Speaker 2: I just grew with it and I started doing.

2:24

Speaker 2: Now I have like 104, 105 guests on my show.

2:28

Speaker 1: Nice, yeah, it's great.

2:31

Speaker 1: How have you grown, like? Speaker 1: What's changed about you?

2:34

Speaker 1: Like obviously you probably had a formula you were following when you're doing those first interviews, but how has that evolved over time?

2:41

Speaker 2: I mean, even after the third or fifth episode I had to tweak the process quite a bit, and it wasn't because I didn't think particularly wrong.

2:49

Speaker 2: I actually think I started out pretty well. Speaker 2: I was very well prepared.

2:52

Speaker 2: I was overly prepared, honestly. Speaker 2: I probably should have started sooner, but I tweaked it, I got better.

2:58

Speaker 2: Active listening was like the main skill that I had to learn and I think that the help me in other areas too.

3:02

Speaker 2: I was able to apply it to clients in real life, like personal training.

3:06

Speaker 2: I was able to apply it to maybe a cute girl at the bar. Speaker 2: Like active listening helps out a lot, and so that's definitely something I evolved with.

3:13

Speaker 2: But then on top of that too, just technology wise, my hard drives now are filled up with like 400 gigs of just video files and audio files.

3:22

Speaker 2: So understanding information, architecture even more than I did already, and that kind of thing, organizing content, making plans, I get it.

3:30

Speaker 1: Yeah, so we talked about content planning.

3:33

Speaker 1: So do you have like a specific plan for how you get all this out on a consistent basis, cause it's so much, cause I get so much?

3:42

Speaker 1: You know, the beauty of these tools like squadcasts is you get this video and then you're like, okay, now we should be on YouTube.

3:46

Speaker 1: And now we've got to do with like a TikTok clip and a vertical promo, and then there's all the socials and what to do on where and what to write on where.

3:53

Speaker 1: So it gets to be a little bit overwhelming, and I'm sure the listener is in that same space as well if they're a podcaster.

4:00

Speaker 2: Definitely, and I'm trying to see if I can find I have an actual mind map of my plan Okay.

4:07

Speaker 2: So I'm trying to find it real quick. Speaker 2: I don't know if you can cut this out real quick.

4:09

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's fine. Speaker 1: No, I think it's important because not every approach works for everyone.

4:16

Speaker 1: A lot of people and all the tools seem to want to do this for you.

4:19

Speaker 1: Notion wants to do this for you. Speaker 1: I'm sure people are in a sauna Trello.

4:23

Speaker 1: There's always this opportunity to keep jumping from tool to tool to tool and then you never actually get anything done cause you're learning how to use the tool.

4:30

Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and the thing is too, I actually left Notion.

4:35

Speaker 2: I tried so many different content tools because I could not find one.

4:40

Speaker 2: Not content tools, task management tools. Speaker 2: I can't seem to find it, so I'm just going to focus on this.

4:44

Speaker 2: I'll explain it visually. Speaker 2: But I went through almost a task in project management tools, like basically all of them.

4:51

Speaker 2: click up Monday a sauna anyone I could find even Jira and Confluence and all these like fancy enterprise ones.

4:57

Speaker 2: I tried all of them cause I was trying to find one that allowed me to have multiple layers of extraction.

5:01

Speaker 2: So I wanted to create this second brain, this life operating system, and so I went into Notion, didn't like it, finally went back to it, tried it again and I realized the power that it was like Lego blocks I could build into a new system.

5:14

Speaker 2: I just moved to Obsidian, so that's a whole other topic as to why I moved and the importance of that.

5:19

Speaker 2: But in Notion I was able to create that input and output system and it helps you keep track of all the stuff you're creating, Depending on whether you're making blogs, videos or podcasts, it doesn't matter.

5:29

Speaker 2: But if you start doing more than just one of those, even just one pillar piece, I think you should make a database and organize it all.

5:36

Speaker 1: What's? Speaker 1: How do you measure whether any of the stuff that you're doing is working?

5:41

Speaker 1: Like, how do you measure success? Speaker 1: How do you know that all the effort you're putting into whatever it is on socials, all these tools that you're learning Cause I have like shiny objects under some time and I'm trying to rein everything in and I'm trying to work and work on things that are specifically moving the show, and I've got a second show now, the Vertical Farming Podcast, and I can see movement there cause it's super niche and it's taken off and it's like rank number one in like different countries and stuff.

6:07

Speaker 1: So I've seen that. Speaker 1: But you know, what do you do to ensure that you're spending the right time on the right things?

6:15

Speaker 2: So my meta niche is polymathy, which means a lot of my content is being about multidisciplinary and doing a lot of different things.

6:23

Speaker 2: I have to think differently. Speaker 2: My mindset has to be different than like am I growing or not?

6:28

Speaker 2: kind of thing, because I'm going to grow from my subniches, my first one being self-education, my second one being around swimming, my third one being around content repurposing.

6:37

Speaker 2: I just started that repurposing newsletter this past year and started doing reviews of different tools and talking about content repurposing and that kind of strategy and plans and each one of those has helped me grow because people follow me for that particular topic.

6:50

Speaker 2: Some people follow me from the umbrella topic, but for the most part it's the sub ones, so I usually focus more so on getting those to grow and seeing how okay, am I getting more subscribers on those newsletters?

7:00

Speaker 2: Are people checking out my tools website that I built or stuff like that?

7:04

Speaker 2: I don't necessarily look at the bigger picture like poly innovator.

7:07

Speaker 2: Is that growing? Speaker 2: Cause I know it's going to grow slow. Speaker 2: I'm okay with that, yeah.

7:12

Speaker 1: Do you think about long-term goals?

7:15

Speaker 1: Being a poly, you consider yourself a polymath.

7:19

Speaker 1: Is that safe to say? Speaker 2: I would say so. Speaker 2: It's one of those things that people consider to kind of egotistical, so I try not to say it.

7:24

Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I have multiple expertise that I can say and so when you, as with your polymath hat on, how do you think about long-term planning?

7:34

Speaker 1: Like we're having this conversation 12 months from now, what would need to happen with your progress for you to be happy with where you're at?

7:44

Speaker 2: For one being consistent, more so Cause I've been pretty inconsistent with most of my series.

7:49

Speaker 2: I have many series. Speaker 2: I do have that issue with assigning objects when I was like, oh, I want to make a new series, kind of thing.

7:55

Speaker 2: And I've been lucky enough to where I've been pretty consistent.

7:58

Speaker 2: Pretty much every week for the past 70, no, 60 weeks I've been making swimming posts.

8:04

Speaker 2: I have one right after this I'm going to make. Speaker 2: I have around 25 or 30 content repurposing posts that I've been making every week.

8:11

Speaker 2: Every month I do a now page update which is like an update of my life.

8:14

Speaker 2: On the first, maybe I'm a few days late, but I always do it, and so I'm consistent with all my series.

8:20

Speaker 2: Even if I'm a little bit late, I'm consistent when it comes to if I feel like progress.

8:25

Speaker 2: I have a swimming book coming out Hopefully. Speaker 2: That's ideal.

8:29

Speaker 2: You're supposed to come out last month, ideally, but if that comes out within the next few months or a year from now, we talk again.

8:36

Speaker 1: That's something that as a marker, I'll be like okay, cool, I feel confident that I made progress.

8:41

Speaker 1: So it's interesting because you have these like individual projects.

8:43

Speaker 1: So talk to me about the swimming thing. Speaker 1: Is it something that you wanted to become a better swimmer and that you just documented in the process?

8:51

Speaker 2: No, I'm a swim instructor. Speaker 2: I've taught for the past decade. Speaker 1: Okay.

8:54

Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's awesome. Speaker 1: What's the purpose, like what's the goal, with the content that you're providing?

9:00

Speaker 2: So a lot of the issues that people face is not knowing what to do, how to do it or why to do it, and so everybody comes in like client-wise.

9:08

Speaker 2: I taught one, right before this, actually a friend of mine who needed to learn to swim.

9:11

Speaker 2: He's an adult, right, he knows what swimming is, and so what I needed to do is just teach him how to do it.

9:18

Speaker 1: Right, and you can do this remotely. Speaker 2: No, I could technically.

9:21

Speaker 2: I do have digital swim lessons, but I did it in my apartment pool.

9:24

Speaker 2: Okay, cool, yeah, but I actually thought about doing remotely.

9:28

Speaker 2: If you can get like a waterproof phone, you could probably do it too.

9:30

Speaker 2: So I actually have digital swim lesson as one of my product offerings.

9:33

Speaker 2: So, that's kind of funny. Speaker 2: You mentioned that. Speaker 2: But the content has to do with certain ideas.

9:38

Speaker 2: So I'm basically documenting little strategies or little things that I do, little topics.

9:43

Speaker 2: Throughout the time you swim you might need to know how to do a certain stroke or how to breathe a certain way or how to sink, and so each post is talking about each one of those things and they all help, just keep, kind of help people level up mentally so that way when they actually get into the pool they kind of know mentally what to do and then they just have to physically practice and they can either use me as digitally to help them or, if they're local, I can help them in person.

10:05

Speaker 2: And then it all kind of leads up to that book release too.

10:07

Speaker 2: So all the micro content, free micro content not micro, it's normal pillar, but like that free content over time building up to the big piece that's paid.

10:16

Speaker 1: Do you think that the micro content is in a format where you can essentially cobble it all together and it creates 80% of the work is already done for the book, or is it the type of thing where there's some structure that needs to be applied to the micro content so you can put it in a book format?

10:34

Speaker 2: Well, and I messed up on saying micro content there, because micro content would be like a quote image on Instagram of the blog post, because technically that would be pillar content, because it's a blog post.

10:44

Speaker 2: But I digress semantics. Speaker 2: I do want to include the blog post in the book.

10:50

Speaker 2: I think that'd be really helpful, but I'm actually writing it manually.

10:54

Speaker 2: I have a different format I wanna do for it.

10:57

Speaker 2: I'm debating whether or not I just wanna insert the blog posts and just have it as a secondary kind of feature of the book, like hey, you can read all the blog posts all at once, kind of thing.

11:06

Speaker 1: But yeah, so did you always have a book in mind for the swimming part?

11:10

Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Speaker 2: It's actually how I got started. Speaker 2: I actually started the newsletter because of the book.

11:15

Speaker 1: So that's the content repurposing newsletter or this is a letter about about the swimming.

11:21

Speaker 2: Although I probably wouldn't write a book of the content of her PC too.

11:25

Speaker 1: The interesting thing about swimming is, I think there's an aspect of fear that's associated with it, especially because I've noticed it when I'm swimming and I and people are out in the deep water like I was just in and in Oregon and over by Seattle for a men's gathering and there's guys out swimming in the sound and they go into deep and they they tread water and so they're hanging on tread water and that's the part where I'm just like, I Feel like out of my element and it's interesting like and then I don't know how much of that is just acquired Learning or just repetitive Practicing but this ability to kind of just sit out there, because you always feel like like when you're in deep water, there's something that kicks in instinctually, like you Feel like you were you better know what you're doing or you're gonna be in trouble pretty soon.

12:10

Speaker 2: Well, I find that a lot of the time I sink like a rock, so it's hard for me to tread for very long as there is that fear like, hey, I can't do this for very long.

12:17

Speaker 2: Endurance is a big deal, part of that as well, but it comes to fear.

12:20

Speaker 2: It usually comes down to breathing. Speaker 2: People don't know how to hold their breath or know how to breathe.

12:24

Speaker 2: Well, swimming. Speaker 2: Ironically, when I first teach a lot of swimming strokes, I tell them I'm not gonna teach you how to breathe, yet I'm gonna teach you how to move.

12:31

Speaker 2: Swimming it's not about breathing, so means about moving. Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't breathe while swimming until you know how to move well enough to stay Momentum.

12:38

Speaker 1: Yeah, say a moment and I and I also discovered this when we were in we were to Mexico with the friends birthday and we did some snorkeling and Trying to do the snorkel while you're out in the water and then having water get in, and then I felt like a slight panic set and I was like I felt very uncomfortable and and I and my girlfriend had done a lot more than me, so she was okay with it and at some point I just like I had a swim back to the boat because I was like I'm trying to do too many things at once and then, like you, you lose, like your, your bearings, especially if you start like sucking in water too.

13:14

Speaker 2: That's exactly it. Speaker 2: It's a downward spiral. Speaker 2: So I created a three-step system, the three steps to swimming, where one is kicking like straight to face down and Three arms out of the water diving back in, and that one, two, three process Legs, face arms.

13:29

Speaker 2: I try to create it as a mnemonic to get you to think about very simply, but why need to do the swim?

13:34

Speaker 2: And that way, in the moment you could focus on that and if you notice, there there's nothing.

13:37

Speaker 2: I don't say anything about breathing. Speaker 2: Right, breathing comes after that.

13:40

Speaker 2: If you don't, if you mess up on any one of those three things, you won't be able to breathe properly.

13:44

Speaker 2: Ironically, if you try to focus on three things at once, you're not gonna do it right.

13:48

Speaker 2: So you have to go sequential one, two, three, maybe even your head kind of go back through the cycle over and over and over again, until kicking becomes more second nature.

13:57

Speaker 2: The face down is pretty simple. Speaker 2: A lot of the time people do it second nature.

14:01

Speaker 2: Sometimes people keep their neck up too much, but that's, yeah, situational.

14:05

Speaker 2: The arms are where people mess up a lot on and then they focus on the arms.

14:09

Speaker 2: Yeah, they get tired, or they slap the water, yeah, that kind of thing.

14:13

Speaker 2: So they focus on the arms but then they lose the legs.

14:15

Speaker 2: They focus on the legs, they lose the arms. Speaker 2: That focus is hard.

14:19

Speaker 1: So it's legs straight with the flippers flipping, and then your arms are up and and hands down in the water.

14:26

Speaker 2: No, there's no flippers. Speaker 2: I don't. Speaker 2: Flippers are just a tool.

14:30

Speaker 2: About snorkeling, oh yeah they're good, and flippers will kind of make you bend a little bit more.

14:35

Speaker 2: But you want to kick your legs straight. Speaker 2: Okay, full-on kicking, sister kicking, and then your face is down and then with the swimming, with the arms, it's out of the water diving back in and out.

14:46

Speaker 1: in and out like a windmill yeah, very cool.

14:49

Speaker 1: Why, why do you like teaching?

14:52

Speaker 1: Why do you? Speaker 1: Why do you keep doing it? Speaker 2: I Was even telling somebody to.

14:56

Speaker 2: I probably will keep teaching swimming till I'm like 90 years old.

15:01

Speaker 2: It's one of those things where it comes naturally to me.

15:03

Speaker 2: I've always liked teaching. Speaker 2: I've always like sharing ideas is why I like going on podcasts, because if you prompt me right, I tell you what I'll go like a stock reel.

15:11

Speaker 2: I'm sure you're probably picking that up already here. Speaker 2: That's why I like doing it.

15:15

Speaker 2: I like sharing knowledge, I like sharing information and by me doing the newsletter I can help people do that and teach more people.

15:23

Speaker 1: Do you have vision for where you want this to go? Speaker 1: Do you just keep writing books, just diving deep on topics, sharing those topics?

15:29

Speaker 1: Those eventually become bigger things. Speaker 1: Do you want to do public speaking or what, and do you also measure things at that big 10-year level as well?

15:38

Speaker 2: So I created Poly Innovator because of a previous endeavor I did.

15:42

Speaker 2: I created what I called the diet of living construct, which was meant to be a hub of innovation Inoculator, if you will, or maybe even a smart city down the line too.

15:50

Speaker 2: I was really. Speaker 2: I was thinking big right and I don't talk too much about it nowadays, but with you I don't mind going into it.

15:57

Speaker 2: It was an organization I was trying to create and I realized that I wasn't good enough to make it yet.

16:01

Speaker 2: I was young. Speaker 2: I didn't have the skills needed for it the public speaking skills, all that jazz and so what I decided to do?

16:09

Speaker 2: It's okay, I'm gonna focus on myself. Speaker 2: I want to learn smart cities.

16:11

Speaker 2: I want to learn innovation. Speaker 2: I've created my own degree.

16:14

Speaker 2: I need to document that process so people could believe that I actually learned it.

16:17

Speaker 2: So I'm gonna do content. Speaker 2: Thanks, gary V.

16:20

Speaker 2: And that's what got me into. Speaker 2: Poly Innovator is beginning pieces.

16:23

Speaker 2: I realized quickly that the do-it-yourself modular degree that I created was more than just what I could do, like it Wasn't just my degree.

16:30

Speaker 2: It was something that people could copy and do themselves.

16:32

Speaker 2: So I created that platform. Speaker 2: That template people can copy actually made a notion template for people to actually make their own do-it-yourself degree, and that was the first phase.

16:42

Speaker 2: Eventually, I realized I have all this, so many knowledge.

16:45

Speaker 2: I was really mad that I didn't do, like you know, digital coaching or personal training.

16:50

Speaker 2: They're in Cova because I spent all my time doing interviews.

16:52

Speaker 2: I think that opportunity cost was great. Speaker 2: I'm happy I did it, but that was something I need to do more swimming, I need to do more exercise.

16:58

Speaker 2: This is what I've been doing for the last 10 years in real life.

17:00

Speaker 2: I need to make a digital content too. Speaker 2: But then I noticed all these really awesome content repurposing tools coming out and I realized no one was talking about them, right Like?

17:10

Speaker 2: The only people that were talking about content repurposing were Gary V and all the founders of these tools.

17:15

Speaker 2: That was it, and so people were biased and Gary V has a team.

17:18

Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, do you know the YouTube channel key productive?

17:22

Speaker 1: No. Speaker 2: Okay, it's a channel where they talk about all these tools like notion or a sauna, and all these other.

17:28

Speaker 1: Keep productivecom. Speaker 2: I think so.

17:34

Speaker 2: I've never been to the website. Speaker 1: This makes really good content if you're just listening.

17:38

Speaker 1: So well, keep it up the dog yeah.

17:41

Speaker 1: Co is that it now? Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically keep productive, is the YouTube channel toolfinder is the tool they built to help you find those tools.

17:48

Speaker 2: I actually built something like that for content repurposing in general too, but that's it.

17:52

Speaker 2: So I tangent. Speaker 2: I wanted to model myself after that channel because the way that they did it was very agnostic.

17:57

Speaker 2: They just loved these tools and love sharing these tools.

18:00

Speaker 1: And. Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I'm gonna do that, but for content repurposing, and so I wanted to highlight all these new tools.

18:06

Speaker 2: I found one just the other day clappapp, where it's like klapaapp and I just I haven't used it.

18:14

Speaker 2: I have no opinion on it, but I just randomly found it yesterday and I find all these tools.

18:20

Speaker 2: I wanted to highlight them, yeah.

18:23

Speaker 1: The challenge with this and I can definitely relate because it's definitely like so cool to see all this stuff.

18:29

Speaker 1: And it's even just now with the podcast reformatting because since we chatted like AI.

18:34

Speaker 1: I'm gonna probably go down to chat GPT rabbit holes pretty quickly, cool, cool.

18:38

Speaker 1: But it's the sound of Justin Rubin's hands together.

18:40

Speaker 1: That's awesome, but it's I think it's this overwhelm and I've tried to switch to what Monic Coach is called just in time learning versus just in case learning, and it's just like.

18:53

Speaker 1: Oh, I could learn this, I could learn this, but if I can't, if I don't have a specific use case for the tool, even with all the podcasting tools, they just there's like 10 coming out every day.

19:03

Speaker 1: It's been crazy, and they all seem to do the same thing and they all use some sort of like AI and they all say they're like make your life easier.

19:10

Speaker 1: But you do need a human to review some of these and you also almost need someone to like go through all these podcasting tools and say, okay, I ran a test of all of these.

19:20

Speaker 1: These are the ones that actually like will let you dump in your MP3 or YouTube file and give you like not cheesy looking clips, cause a lot of times they give you stuff that's just like oh, they just like ran an algorithm through like mid journey and it just looks corny, it looks bad.

19:36

Speaker 1: You know it's not. Speaker 1: It doesn't look like a human was like reviewing it.

19:39

Speaker 1: So how do you think about the best use of your time with these tools?

19:44

Speaker 1: Do you just, is it just enough for you to show people that they're there, or do you actually, for your own use case, like figure out, like, what's the process to figure out which one of these are waste of time and which?

19:54

Speaker 1: one of these are real time savers. Speaker 2: I would do.

19:56

Speaker 2: I would say both actually into your question and we'll look quick.

19:59

Speaker 2: Do you record video too? Speaker 2: I don't recall. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah Okay cool.

20:03

Speaker 2: Try and fix my hair to make sure it looks too bad. Speaker 2: You look great.

20:07

Speaker 2: But it's one of those things, too, where, when it comes to these tools, some of them are good, some of them are not so good.

20:13

Speaker 2: I've had a lot of them break on me. Speaker 2: For example, even some of the best ones have broken on me.

20:18

Speaker 2: But I'm also a power user. Speaker 2: I like to do things to an extreme amount.

20:22

Speaker 2: I had repurposeio break on me, but it was also because I did like 40 videos in a month.

20:26

Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily repurposed as fall and so and I love Hany.

20:30

Speaker 1: He's a friend of mine. Speaker 1: Yes, I love Hany. Speaker 2: Hany and Roy Garcia, who's like his content personnel.

20:36

Speaker 2: Both of them are really amazing and I like. Speaker 2: Even though I use repurposeio from time to time, I don't use it consistently.

20:41

Speaker 2: Same with chopcastio I love them.

20:44

Speaker 2: I have a lifetime deal with them. Speaker 2: Back in the day, I bought that as soon as I could and then I also use recastio as well.

20:51

Speaker 2: One that I wanna highlight that I have all these tools right, I use them, I played with them, I compare them, I reviewed them on my newsletter, but it's like they have this process of you upload it.

21:06

Speaker 2: They use the AI to transcribe it and find the clips.

21:10

Speaker 2: While I find that they're pretty good, especially for more simplistic shows If you're talking about, just like, simple topics whether it's business or even podcasting is complicated, but it's simple enough to where AI can pick it up it'll probably be fine to just use their AI features easy peasy.

21:24

Speaker 2: For a show like mine, where it's polymathy, laser physics, quantum physics I've talked to people about omnimathematics and it's just like it's random topic Omni-mathematics.

21:34

Speaker 1: that's a mouthful. Speaker 1: We're gonna put a pin in that. Speaker 1: I wanna figure out what that is, but finish your thought.

21:38

Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, like all these complex topics that these AIs just cannot keep up with, they mess up my name PolyInnovator every time, even polymath, they say polymath, and I was like, no, no, no, not, that, that's something else, yeah.

21:49

Speaker 2: And so I had to constantly go into transcription to fix it, which, if the transcriptions are not right, the AI is not gonna be right.

21:56

Speaker 2: On that, I have very good confidence in recast or chop cast, but one tool I found recently that I actually have been using to repurpose my show and this is the first time I really kinda spoke about it publicly is opuspro.

22:10

Speaker 1: OPUSpro. Speaker 1: I'm gonna do all these rabbit holes.

22:12

Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's a good thing, trust me.

22:15

Speaker 1: It came up in my history, so I've probably seen it already.

22:18

Speaker 2: I think I said it to you. Speaker 1: I think Ariel had sent this to me.

22:22

Speaker 1: Ariel needs a lot. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah so and I think even MKHD or some other big creator.

22:28

Speaker 2: Oh, sean Cannell, who does Think Media, their team uses this.

22:31

Speaker 2: It's kinda crazy how it's growing. Speaker 2: I've had issues with it, though, like I have a few videos that I did that just aren't loading, for example, but, I've also gone through 80 out of 200 videos that I have on my channel through there, like I was pretty crazy, and the reason being is that I know for a fact, 100% fact is not getting all the clips from my show, and especially since one of my most important clips is my question I ask.

22:57

Speaker 2: Everybody is like what is the polymath to you? Speaker 2: My plan was to take a clip of every guest and then compile it into like a 25 guests, then do a super compilation so I can take each clip, make it into a compilation video, then make a super cut.

23:13

Speaker 2: Yeah, but the point is it's not picking it, it's not taking up all the clips, but it's getting a decent chunk of them and it's getting me started because I need to get these clips out there.

23:21

Speaker 2: It's been three years since some of these interviews and people are like yeah that's the point.

23:27

Speaker 1: I think the challenge. Speaker 1: We're diving deep specifically on this, because this is obviously podcast, about podcasting, and I think what's interesting for me is losing that opportunity to share the insights.

23:40

Speaker 1: First of all, finding insights. Speaker 1: I wanna honor the time that guests been on my show and I wanna do that in a way that tells the best of what they've shared and, in an ideal world, the full video.

23:53

Speaker 1: Pull out the two or three clips, get them to vertical, post them on IG Reels, post them on YouTube shorts, post them on TikTok, you know wherever.

24:00

Speaker 1: People have that done automatically. Speaker 1: Also, the other thing that's been cool and I think this only happens on mobile you can add someone as a collaborator.

24:08

Speaker 1: Someone's been they've been using this for me on my vertical porn podcast show and it's a powerful feature because when someone adds you as a collaborator, if you accept, their content shows up in your feed and vice versa, and it's a great way to like make content more visible and people would love to do it.

24:25

Speaker 1: Like, if I created an IG Reel and I made you a collaborator and I'll definitely try to make sure I do this for this episode then you would say, yes, I accept, and now it shows up in your feed.

24:34

Speaker 1: So now it's like amplifies the power of the visibility of it.

24:38

Speaker 1: But I think the challenge is like number one feeding it into somewhere where you know you're confident you're gonna get quality content.

24:44

Speaker 1: Do you need a QC process to review what comes out and then also posting and scheduling it on these platforms?

24:50

Speaker 1: And I'm wondering how you think about your workflow and if any of these tools like Opus are making that easier for you.

24:58

Speaker 2: So yeah, that's why I mentioned Opus.

25:01

Speaker 2: It actually made it easy enough for me to where I actually started using it more.

25:05

Speaker 2: It's not ideal and I'm probably actually I'm still planning on going through every single episode manually to find all the clips, all the imported ones, so I'm still gonna do that and I still need to transcribe all the interviews.

25:16

Speaker 2: I've only transcribed half of them and I'm gonna have to go through the transcription manually.

25:19

Speaker 2: That's the thing. Speaker 2: I was QC'ing all of the transcription tools, all of them, and I try to find which ones would do the most accurate transcription.

25:28

Speaker 2: Most of them were pretty similar, and so what I decided was that okay, at this point I just need to get it done.

25:34

Speaker 2: I can't get it perfect. Speaker 2: I can't find a tool that's gonna do it all.

25:37

Speaker 2: Opus is actually doing some kind of feature about scheduling too, so that might be helpful for a lot of people.

25:42

Speaker 2: I don't think I'm gonna personally use it, because I have a certain strategy in mind where I wanna schedule it out a certain way, but for a lot of people, you could just schedule from Opus directly and they actually have a rating like how good that clip is, based on ChatGBT's opinion.

25:55

Speaker 2: It also has you get 15 clips.

25:58

Speaker 2: How long are your main series on average? Speaker 1: The interviews are about 45 minutes to an hour.

26:03

Speaker 2: Okay, so they're medium length, I would say, and from there you should be able to get like 15 clips from that.

26:10

Speaker 1: Yeah, I ran one of my. Speaker 1: I ran like a small I'm doing like a solo podcast on the YouTube series and I ran that through and it gave me like six or seven clips.

26:20

Speaker 1: But it's this other problem nice to have, problem, Like I have to review each one of those clips and I have to see that they're they've got the words right, that the clips are showing correctly, and it almost becomes another part of the process and I have to almost think about, like, especially if we're doing it for me and then if we're doing it for clients, I'd have to have someone review those clips and edit them and make the tweaks, Cause they tell you which one is the most impactful clip and I think they do it in descending order for like most 80% impactful or they have some sort of score there.

26:51

Speaker 1: But I think that's helpful and I think you have to.

26:55

Speaker 1: They charge you by the upload minutes.

26:58

Speaker 2: And it's been pretty painful for me cause I have a lot of upload minutes.

27:02

Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think I might revisit that, but I think only if I can have someone to be the QC person to review it.

27:10

Speaker 1: So so, just circling back, like you talk about repurposing and you've talked about this newsletter as well what's working for you?

27:17

Speaker 1: And when you think about the minimum effective dose, right, like people in an ideal world, they'd spend hours and hours repurposing all of their content from all their episodes on all the channels you know and make sure something is going out every day.

27:31

Speaker 1: Most podcasters don't have that flexibility or don't have that time.

27:34

Speaker 1: A lot of them are solo. Speaker 1: So if you're guiding someone on, you know this idea of minimum effective dose.

27:40

Speaker 1: What's the minimum you can do to have the most effective reach possible?

27:45

Speaker 1: What guidance are you currently giving? Speaker 1: Yeah, knowing what you know now, knowing what you've tested, knowing what you've experienced.

27:51

Speaker 2: Before I answer that directly, I'm gonna kind of paraphrase Gary Vee you have a lot more time than you think you do and I want to like I know that my schedule is pretty clear, like I have a lot of stuff that I do and so I have time to sit there myself.

28:04

Speaker 2: I'm a solo person. Speaker 2: It all comes out of pocket.

28:06

Speaker 2: I get it completely. Speaker 2: I had to do it by myself, just like all the other solo podcasters out there, but there's probably some time, like after work.

28:13

Speaker 2: Instead of watching a show, you can go work on stuff, and, especially since it's getting better and better with a lot of these tools, it makes it faster and faster.

28:20

Speaker 2: I actually use a speed up extension in my browser to speed up videos and I can use that in Opus.

28:25

Speaker 2: So I just press one keyboard key and it speeds up the video to get it done quicker.

28:29

Speaker 1: You're gonna have to send me that link as well, yeah. Speaker 2: And I also watch all my videos fast too.

28:35

Speaker 2: But when it comes to your question, this is the concept I talk about a lot on my blog it's strategy plus automation or strategy times.

28:42

Speaker 2: Automation equals success. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 2: Strategy times automation, because automation is a very, very finicky slope.

28:50

Speaker 2: If you use it too much it looks spammy, it looks gross.

28:52

Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of people do it bad, yeah, but here's the deal.

28:56

Speaker 2: A lot of the time people are not sharing their posts, they're not sharing their videos and Zap here doesn't all right, but the pricing plans it makes it harder for solo creators.

29:05

Speaker 2: You have to go in there and constantly deal with the meta work when your zaps fail and then deliver.

29:11

Speaker 2: It is another tool out there, but it's really archaic.

29:13

Speaker 2: It hasn't updated, hardly at all. Speaker 2: It's not good, but it was one of the better ones out there for a while.

29:18

Speaker 2: Same with if this, and that is not that great. Speaker 2: I came across one called new link that came out in you link and that one has a lot of automations.

29:27

Speaker 2: I'm playing around with that one right now and I think that's going to help me, because the reason being my strategy, my thought process, is you want to make each post last as much as possible, and this is not just like I'm not counting the quote images or the video memes or the you know, audiograms.

29:42

Speaker 2: I'm not counting the repurposing posts, I'm counting just sharing that video or sharing that blog post on LinkedIn or Twitter.

29:50

Speaker 2: Let's say, you write the blog post in the morning, you share it in the morning, okay, well, the next day you share it in the evening, because on Twitter, for example, some people are in the morning, some people are in the evening.

29:59

Speaker 2: It's a very simple process to do, because you were maximizing your reach by getting both sides of your audience early bird, nine hours right.

30:05

Speaker 1: I use a hype fury for that, and it automatically will repost my tweets nine hours later, so it hits both time zones, and then it removes the retweet later, which is cool as well.

30:17

Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's really good for Twitter, but I'm it's not going to help with Facebook or LinkedIn per se right.

30:22

Speaker 2: But I haven't looked at hype fury in a while.

30:24

Speaker 2: So thank you, I'm going to check that out too. Speaker 2: I love tools and it's funny because Twitter is a particular one where you can't really do too much for the most part.

30:35

Speaker 2: I mean, you can tweet too much. Speaker 2: People can get annoyed. Speaker 2: I tweet a lot.

30:38

Speaker 2: I'm surprised Harry isn't involved me because of that. Speaker 2: But the thing is, when it comes to like LinkedIn, you definitely won't be careful with it.

30:44

Speaker 2: So day of day later, opposite time today, a week later, a month later, maybe half of the year later, but at least a year later, the anniversary of that content piece Can any of that be scheduled or depends.

30:56

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean co-schedule and missing letter are two tools that I can do it for blogs, but not so much videos or podcasts and new link.

31:02

Speaker 2: This is kind of just like RSS to social posts.

31:04

Speaker 2: Most of these tools can do that when it comes to like hey, you got an RSS feed, automatically schedule that out right.

31:09

Speaker 2: They can do it for the original day of day.

31:12

Speaker 2: Later they can't really do it for the extended pieces, and so I'm still figuring that out.

31:16

Speaker 2: I think new link might be able to do something similar though, which is why I'm excited about it.

31:20

Speaker 2: But again, new tool have no opinions on it.

31:22

Speaker 1: Anylink or. Speaker 2: Any no N U E linkcom.

31:34

Speaker 2: Anybody listening in too. Speaker 2: If you have a problem, I like being a tool guy.

31:37

Speaker 2: If you have, if you have something you need a solution for, tweet at me.

31:40

Speaker 2: I'll send you a tool. Speaker 1: So, as you think about the stuff that you're repurposing, how do you, is there a way to measure success?

31:52

Speaker 1: Do you? Speaker 1: Just because, with podcasting and ever leave, the number is really downloads?

31:58

Speaker 1: So all this repurposing is helpful. Speaker 1: You can see engagement.

32:00

Speaker 1: Your Twitter following grows, your LinkedIn following grows, but if you're a podcaster, your true metric is my show growing or are more people hearing about it?

32:08

Speaker 1: How do you think about that metric, specifically when it comes to your podcast.

32:13

Speaker 2: I think the idea of conversions and keeping track of analytics are very important, but it's also one of those things where, when you're first starting out, it's really hard to balance creation, repurposing analytics, having all those different skills.

32:26

Speaker 2: Analytics is still one of my weaker skills, I'll be honest about that.

32:29

Speaker 2: Right, I still track it, I still keep up with it every week, every month or something like that, but I don't necessarily base a lot of my actions on it.

32:37

Speaker 2: But I also have a plan. Speaker 2: I have content that I know I want to get out and I know that it's going to be unique enough to where it's going to get some eyeballs at some points.

32:44

Speaker 2: Most of the stuff I make is evergreen for the most part, so I'm kind of cheating in that regard, because I don't have to worry about instant gratification, if you will.

32:55

Speaker 1: So how do you measure success when it comes to your show?

32:59

Speaker 1: How do you know, or are you happy with, the progress of your show, and how do you define that?

33:06

Speaker 2: I'm not happy, well, not having as much downloads like you were saying.

33:09

Speaker 2: I wish I had more, considering I have like over 200 episodes at this point.

33:12

Speaker 2: I definitely wish I had more traffic on there, but I think that has to do with the fact that I wasn't repurposing.

33:17

Speaker 2: People did not have the entry points to my show.

33:20

Speaker 2: The only people who have saw my show were either my regular followers of YouTube who just moved over to it the podcast or they were people who are from the show and they shared the link on their socials.

33:30

Speaker 2: So that's how I've grown so far, which is a very slow way of doing it.

33:34

Speaker 2: It's one of the main ways, but it's not one of the best ways.

33:37

Speaker 2: So I'm really excited now that I have 250 podcast clips just from 30 podcast episodes.

33:42

Speaker 2: Right, I haven't even done all my interviews yet.

33:44

Speaker 2: I still have another 60 or 70 interviews to go through.

33:47

Speaker 1: No, shortage content.

33:50

Speaker 2: No shortage content. Speaker 2: But I'm excited to do it because as soon as those get out, I will say, when it comes to shorts, tiktoks and reels, you can pretty much syndicate to all three and be fine without really any penalty, as long as it's good content you can send it to all three.

34:05

Speaker 2: That's a key thing. Speaker 2: Make sure it's good content. Speaker 1: Are there scheduling tools to allow the?

34:09

Speaker 1: I know we were using Facebook Creator Studio to post the IG reels, but is there a workflow that you found that's helpful for you to get those specifically vertical videos on those three locations?

34:24

Speaker 2: So I would say that doing the Facebook way is very tedious, and same with TikTok too.

34:30

Speaker 2: You can do it on TikTok's website. Speaker 2: You can just schedule it from there, which is really nice.

34:34

Speaker 2: But I find that new link, which is why I'm excited about it, is one of those tools and Publr.

34:42

Speaker 2: Let's seeio. Speaker 1: P-U-B-L-R.

34:46

Speaker 2: Yes, L-E-R. Speaker 1: Okay, and we'll have all these links in the show notes.

34:52

Speaker 2: You're gonna have so many links. Speaker 1: This is probably one of those link heavy posts, just find what works best for you is the biggest thing.

34:59

Speaker 2: You have to try things out. Speaker 1: And so you think that new link or Publr could be the solution for getting the vertical videos scheduled.

35:08

Speaker 2: I've been comparing most of the social media tools recently.

35:11

Speaker 2: This personally because I have been so frustrated. Speaker 2: Opus is also doing the scheduling.

35:14

Speaker 2: I would also throw in repurposeio as well.

35:17

Speaker 2: I think all of them have had scheduling features.

35:20

Speaker 2: I want to make sure I highlight repurpose because I think that they're trying to work on the vertical as well, pretty hard, and it's frustrating because there's still a TikTok API issue where you can't schedule it directly.

35:34

Speaker 2: You can only schedule to the app. Speaker 2: You have to open the app and then press hey, I accept this Then you have to rewrite the description.

35:42

Speaker 2: So even if you wrote it in the tool, it won't transfer over.

35:45

Speaker 2: But that's not the tool's fault, it's TikTok's API, because it happened across three different tools that I've used.

35:50

Speaker 1: That's interesting. Speaker 1: We'll be digging into some of that.

35:55

Speaker 1: It's probably changed here soon too. Speaker 1: It's also a cost for all these things, right, because you start the all that up and I have to set aside some time to go through my credit card statement.

36:06

Speaker 1: Sometimes you sign up for the automatically monthly stuff and you're like, oh wait, I'm being charged for a tool I don't use anymore and obviously there's no.

36:13

Speaker 1: Everyone's looking for the one tool that does everything.

36:15

Speaker 1: But I think what the takeaway for the listener here is to try which one of these could best fit your workflow, depending on what you need, because you mean I need everything.

36:24

Speaker 1: I think Dustin and I are the extreme example of trying to break these tools and then have them do as the robust do as much of the work as possible, but that's not feasible.

36:35

Speaker 2: And I will say the most polymathic tools would be Repurposeio and New Link.

36:39

Speaker 2: Those two, I think in particular, are very hands and mini cookie jars.

36:44

Speaker 1: But Repurpose does Honey. Speaker 1: Is he using a lot of automation or do you have like a manual intervention for some of this piece, because I think that's what I remember Most of it's automated.

36:53

Speaker 1: Automated. Speaker 1: Ok, you can do things manually.

36:57

Speaker 2: So one thing I remember was a really good feature that he always mentioned to me was that you could make it manual.

37:02

Speaker 2: You don't have to make it auto. Speaker 2: So if you have a certain automation that you want to do, where you're like, hey, take the timestamps from my video, turn them into clips on to like TikTok or whatever, you don't have to automatically let it post.

37:14

Speaker 2: You can go in there and say I want to post this one, this one and this one.

37:17

Speaker 2: So if you want to do it manually you could. Speaker 1: And then that speaks to having someone with a editorial eye who can decide, because at the end of the day, if you're the creator, I'm the one like oh, this would be good, this would be good, but it's hard I think of it from an agency perspective To do this across multiple accounts for multiple shows.

37:36

Speaker 1: You'd have to have some sort of good commandy English language and understanding what content works If it reads correctly, if it's polished, if it doesn't look like it came from an automation software, lots of moving parts for that.

37:49

Speaker 1: So we'll put a pin in that for the list because we don't want to overwhelm them.

37:53

Speaker 1: I'm curious about this. Speaker 1: I think you said month, a process you do call it.

37:56

Speaker 1: Is it day one or like your recent? Speaker 1: So? Speaker 2: there's an author named Derek Severs who created this idea of the Now page, and there's, I think, hundreds of people who are doing this, so it's not just me.

38:08

Speaker 2: I took it a step further, though. Speaker 2: I made it into a series.

38:11

Speaker 2: So, basically, the Now page is just a page on your website that you change every month, updating what's new in your personal life and your professional life, and I thought that concept was amazing.

38:19

Speaker 2: It's a great purpose for a vlog, mind you.

38:22

Speaker 2: And so what I realized is, a few months in. Speaker 2: I was like you know what?

38:25

Speaker 2: I want to look back on what I said a couple months ago. Speaker 2: What did I say?

38:28

Speaker 2: Well, I had to go back in my WordPress history page history find out what text was on that page, because I didn't save it.

38:34

Speaker 2: I saved it as a page rather than a post, so I turned it into this blog post series and then, a couple episodes later after that, I decided I'm going to make it to a vlog.

38:43

Speaker 2: So make a monthly blog and vlog no podcast, ironically, but just those two, just updating people on my life, and it's a nice way of just if people care, they can look.

38:53

Speaker 2: Or maybe 10 years from now. Speaker 2: I want to know what I did 10 years ago, or maybe my grandkids something like that Documenting.

38:59

Speaker 1: What do you put in there? Speaker 2: A lot of things.

39:02

Speaker 2: I get a little bit more personal on there, since it's literally about what's new in my life per se, for example, when I quit a job.

39:08

Speaker 1: What's the link to your most recent one? Speaker 2: Let me go to the site real quick.

39:14

Speaker 2: I'll share it to you in the chat. Speaker 2: How about that? Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll do that.

39:18

Speaker 2: It would be at the beginning of this month. Speaker 2: I've posted a lot this month.

39:20

Speaker 2: Those two seconds. Speaker 1: That's OK.

39:24

Speaker 1: Yeah, so, while Dustin looks for that, I think what's interesting is this idea of tracking your progress, and I've been.

39:30

Speaker 1: Most people would probably think about doing this in a journal format.

39:33

Speaker 1: I've been doing this, actually, from my weekly newsletter.

39:37

Speaker 1: I'm 33 weeks straight now with my newsletter and I think it's been great for me.

39:43

Speaker 1: I've switched over using Beehive now and I've switched to this idea of just sharing what's been happening in my world.

39:51

Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, I talked about this men's gathering that I went to.

39:55

Speaker 1: I talked about a conversation I had with my therapist about ADHD.

39:59

Speaker 1: I've talked about challenges in my relationship.

40:02

Speaker 1: I've talked about the podcast. Speaker 1: What's been more freeing for me is to know that I try to prepare during the week, but inevitably I'm like Friday morning, like right now, but it's just like what's a lie.

40:14

Speaker 1: I guess what's a lie for me? Speaker 1: I'm using that phrase now Like what's a lie for me, and I think it probably is related to some of the stuff you write about.

40:22

Speaker 1: But just, I've got the link now and I'll put it in the show notes.

40:26

Speaker 1: But how do you think about what to put in there and do you make notes along the way so that, as you get ready for it, you don't miss anything?

40:33

Speaker 2: That would be really smart. Speaker 2: I generally kind of just go with the flow.

40:39

Speaker 2: It's a very stream of consciousness kind of thing, and I write.

40:42

Speaker 2: I'm a writer first and foremost. Speaker 2: I might make videos and a lot of podcasts.

40:45

Speaker 2: I love all three formats. Speaker 2: I'm one of those people who loves all three.

40:49

Speaker 2: I don't just do one, but I start with writing because it's because I'm what I'm more natural at, and so I write the blog post and I use that as kind of like bullet points for the video, and I might expand on Pando's points in the video too, so they're not word for word.

41:01

Speaker 2: I have a section where the first section is kind of just like what has happened, what's the past, and the next session is what's happening now and what's coming up, and that's kind of where it's like past, present, future, if you will.

41:11

Speaker 1: How long are the videos? Speaker 2: I think the shortest was eight or nine minutes.

41:16

Speaker 2: Longest one was like 25 minutes or something like that.

41:19

Speaker 1: Ok, have you gotten any feedback on them? Speaker 1: No, yeah, I think it's just interesting.

41:25

Speaker 1: This idea of it's almost like getting it out of your head and just like having it for the world, for posterity, so whatever you want to call posterity sake or just this record, I don't know if you think about this and maybe because you use a lot of tools, I'm always wondering what's going to happen to all this shit I've collected digitally when I die.

41:45

Speaker 2: Well, that leads perfectly into our next topic. Speaker 2: I also got to send you a link with one of my favorite people.

41:50

Speaker 2: He is Perduef Sanga. Speaker 2: He wrote the Complete man, which is a great book about manliness and hood, and this being a proper modern man.

41:58

Speaker 2: So when it comes to our next topic, though and I think this kind of goes back to one thing you originally mentioned, like Notion and all these productivity tools I moved to Obsidian, which is a note taking tool that some people move from Notion to, or Rome Research, because it connects all your different notes together, and while I moved to it partially because of content creation, it's also because it's local Notions in the cloud.

42:22

Speaker 2: I've had plenty of times where AWS shut down, and so I lost my access to my Notion, so I lost access to all my content stuff, and I was frustrated by that.

42:30

Speaker 2: By having everything local, not only am I able to combine my information architecture, which is all my data that uses on Notion, and all my files, like the audio files, the video files.

42:41

Speaker 2: All that stuff is organized in folders on the computer, but my two biggest information areas are separated.

42:48

Speaker 2: I'm sitting and allowed me to combine them into one file structure, which was amazing, made it way more efficient that way.

42:54

Speaker 2: But on top of that it's all local so I can back it up to a backup drive and then maybe my kids or grandkids will be like, hey, I want to go through Dustin's old notebooks and see what he was thinking, and all my content's there.

43:06

Speaker 2: Here's where it gets really interesting. Speaker 2: Ai there was this tool called AutoGPT.

43:11

Speaker 2: It's a spin-off where you can actually have a localized version of GPT on your computer and so that way you can interact with your own files that way, and it turns out Obsidian has around a dozen or so chat GPT plugins that interact with your files, so you can almost create this model trained on your data, whether it's your content or your notes or whatever, and you can interact with this AI based on your own information.

43:35

Speaker 1: Have you heard of meme Memeai M-E-M.

43:38

Speaker 2: I think so, memai, memai. Speaker 1: So that's kind of like something that I've had Probably along this.

43:46

Speaker 1: It's also in the challenges, cloud-based, but memai has started from the ground up with this idea of using all the information.

43:55

Speaker 1: Shrinivas Rao is a really big fan of this tool.

43:58

Speaker 1: He's actually on the show a long time ago a year ago but I think the idea is you can say it helps you to write content in your own voice, as long as you keep updating meme and you put all your content in meme and you say, hey, can you help me write the first intro for my book in my own voice?

44:16

Speaker 1: And because it has so much of your content in there, I've been dropping all my blog posts in there.

44:22

Speaker 1: I've got to make sure. Speaker 1: I've got to add the most recent ones, but it starts to learn how you speak and how you write, and so I don't know if Obsidian is doing the same with these plugins, but I thought this was really interesting.

44:32

Speaker 1: I'm trying to stay focused on having doing the more content.

44:37

Speaker 1: It's one of those systems that the more you put in it, the smarter it gets.

44:39

Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so I thought that was interesting. Speaker 2: No, it's brutal.

44:43

Speaker 2: I love your thought process there, so thank you for bringing it up.

44:45

Speaker 2: I think it's only for Mac, isn't it, though, too? Speaker 1: It's browser-based.

44:49

Speaker 1: So, I mean it's browser-based, and then I am on a Mac so I have to do the download there.

44:55

Speaker 2: I am also going to mention a few here. Speaker 2: I don't want to overwhelm people with different tools, but the first two are browser-based, which is reflect and capacities.

45:05

Speaker 2: The next one is actually really interesting. Speaker 2: You want to drop the links in there I did OK, and then any type that I owe is a more local based one, but it's kind of combining notion of sitting together.

45:16

Speaker 2: All these three Kind of take what mem, notion and obsidian are doing, but take it to another level, which is kind of interesting, because even I'm saying that, knowing that I'm still staying with obsidian right now, I kept still putting all my chips into that basket.

45:29

Speaker 2: But I'm trying. Speaker 2: I'm trying these three too, because they're fascinating.

45:32

Speaker 2: They all have AI features and like notes, graphs and stuff like that.

45:36

Speaker 2: Here's the cool thing. Speaker 2: I've been downloading articles too, so it's not just my content, it's the stuff that I'm interested in and wanting to keep track of.

45:44

Speaker 2: So there's been articles over the years were like hey, you know what, I'm feeling less motivated.

45:48

Speaker 2: I'm gonna go read that article that I've read every year for the last four years and let's see it.

45:52

Speaker 2: I went to the website and the site was changed and it turns out the author deleted that blog post and now I no longer have access to that blog post, for even even the web archive didn't have a copy of it and I was so frustrated by that I had no way of saving it.

46:07

Speaker 2: There's supposed to be like a notion web clipper and I supposed to save the articles when you clip them.

46:11

Speaker 2: Yeah, it did that like 35, 40% of the time.

46:13

Speaker 2: It never worked, but city and has a read it later.

46:16

Speaker 2: Plug-in. Speaker 2: I just add the link, press, press my hockey, boom, save the article to my thing and Once they're all tagged, the AI can interact with it.

46:25

Speaker 2: You can interact with it. Speaker 2: You can start making content based off of these articles, or videos you saved.

46:31

Speaker 2: Yeah, it starts to synergize a lot more. Speaker 2: That's the power of these tools.

46:36

Speaker 1: It's. Speaker 1: I think it's the takeaway for the listener if they haven't checked out already, because this is probably the most overwhelming.

46:43

Speaker 1: Sorry it's okay and I knew this was gonna happen and I love this and I think we're gonna make this a regular feature.

46:50

Speaker 1: Do you just keep coming back on, like once a year, and we're just like, okay, what's happening?

46:55

Speaker 1: Now I'm like, how did you integrated?

46:57

Speaker 1: Because you're I I love talking to you because your viewpoint on all these things will have changed in the year right, because you'll have tested them, you'll have seen what works, what doesn't, and you'll have incorporated whatever is happening and whatever has been made available, and so you're synthesizing all these things together and I think that's part of what you do as a polymath and how your brain works, which is what I love.

47:16

Speaker 1: So I I can definitely foresee that we're just gonna make this like the regular feature, the mind-blowing episode.

47:23

Speaker 2: We just kind of Put that in the title. Speaker 2: Mind-blowing episode.

47:27

Speaker 1: So we'll. Speaker 1: We'll give the listener enough to chew on.

47:30

Speaker 1: You may require a second listen. Speaker 1: We'll have all the links in the show notes.

47:33

Speaker 1: But I say this In the world of spirituality there's this concept of take what resonates and discard the rest, because a lot of times, a little bit can be so esoteric and metaphysical.

47:43

Speaker 1: People like to woo, woo, like, ah, this is too much.

47:46

Speaker 1: But there's always that like one nugget of like something someone said or something that's like oh, that the rest of it is like kind of crazy for me.

47:53

Speaker 1: But this one line is like wow, I really resonate with that sense.

47:55

Speaker 1: And so I think along those lines, like, if anything we've we've talked about today resonates, you know, focus on that one thing and just work on that one thing.

48:04

Speaker 1: Don't feel overwhelmed to try everything We've provided here, because it gets overwhelming.

48:09

Speaker 1: And and I'm wondering if you've found yourself giving that same type of guidance to people who Are trying to learn from you or trying to emulate what it is that you do- it comes back down to swimming to, for example, where I might give them a lot of information, but as long as they make that 1% progress, that's all I care about.

48:26

Speaker 2: I had a swim lesson that wasn't listening or doing anything for 45 minutes and she was young, sure, but she just wasn't clicking nothing.

48:33

Speaker 2: Nothing was resonating with her. Speaker 2: Eventually the parent was like, hey, do you want to go for another 15 minutes, make it an hour, or do you want to stop?

48:39

Speaker 2: And I Said let's do another 15 minutes. Speaker 2: I got a good feeling about this and like three minutes later something clicked and in that hour long Lesson she managed to make that one or two percent progress and I was completely satisfied as a coach.

48:51

Speaker 2: That happened with Gary B. Speaker 2: He's had all these different videos and key notes he talked about he's always overwhelming to a lot of people.

48:57

Speaker 2: People don't always like what he says because he just seems very out there.

49:02

Speaker 2: One thing he said is like you need to be creating 100 pieces of content a day and like that's overwhelming to a lot of people, but for me it's stuck.

49:09

Speaker 2: And instead of being overwhelmed by it, I flipped the script and I was like how do I do that, especially as a solo person right, and that's how it led me down this path.

49:18

Speaker 2: So find that golden nugget that sticks with you. Speaker 1: That's a great takeaway and I'm a great way to wrap up.

49:23

Speaker 1: So I want to keep asking the same questions. Speaker 1: I ask every, every guest, because I know with you, the answer is always going to be different.

49:29

Speaker 1: Number one what's something you've changed your mind about recently?

49:35

Speaker 2: I was going to say two, I think. Speaker 2: Last year I was a little bit disgruntled with a lot of the repurposing tools because I had a lot of points where I was using these amazing tools and they broke on me or they wouldn't work with my long form content.

49:46

Speaker 2: Like they wouldn't go past an hour and all my episodes are an hour and a half whatever.

49:50

Speaker 2: And I think my opinion has changed now, where I needed to be more empathetic.

49:54

Speaker 2: A lot of these tools were very early on alpha, like kind of beta stages, and I was like, okay, like they're working really hard, and I talked to the team members and I was like these guys are really cool, they're really dedicated.

50:03

Speaker 2: So I think my opinions changed on that, where it's like you got to be empathetic to tool creators, you got to be also just open minded to, because things are going to change, like you said, every year.

50:13

Speaker 1: Yeah, and about your podcast specifically.

50:15

Speaker 1: You know, when you think about who you want to speak to, who you're excited to speak to, what lights you up and what keeps you motivated to keep doing your show.

50:26

Speaker 2: It's the conversations themselves. Speaker 2: Man, like it's.

50:29

Speaker 2: I love doing the research. Speaker 2: As you can tell from this episode, I have a lot of tools in mind.

50:33

Speaker 2: I do that same approach when I interview a guest I go through everything they have just to see what I can find.

50:39

Speaker 2: I went to one guy's Instagram for, like I just kept scrolling to see what, if anything, popped up my eye.

50:44

Speaker 2: I saw a picture with him in Satya Nadella, the CEO of Microsoft, and in that post he said I finally got to meet my hero.

50:51

Speaker 2: And that's the only place in any of his online presence that he mentioned anything about his hero.

50:55

Speaker 2: And I asked him a question about it, like how was it meeting your hero?

50:58

Speaker 2: And that struck a chord with him and I could see it in his eyes.

51:00

Speaker 2: He even said something about it at the end of the episode too. Speaker 2: Like you did your research more than like I've been on many shows.

51:04

Speaker 2: Like you know that that kind of feeling is like hey, they felt accepted, they felt award.

51:10

Speaker 2: And my main motivation right Is that a lot of people I talk to don't even realize they're polymathic.

51:16

Speaker 2: They don't even know that word and by coming on the show, it gives them a little bit more clarity on how their lifestyle actually is, because all I'm doing is identifying it and just saying it out loud.

51:25

Speaker 1: Yeah, very cool. Speaker 1: Well, so many.

51:28

Speaker 1: There's no shortage of places to send people to fall in this conversation, but if people want discovering you for the first time, you know it's a.

51:36

Speaker 1: It's a. Speaker 1: It's a bit overwhelming, I would imagine.

51:38

Speaker 1: So where do you usually send folks when they want to engage with you or just to learn what Dustin's all about Like?

51:44

Speaker 1: Where do you send folks for the first time? Speaker 2: Well, I'm Dustin Miller, poly Innovator.

51:47

Speaker 2: That is my name. Speaker 2: I care more about the Poly Innovator name than anything, so you can find me anywhere with that username, one L, and what I usually send people is just my website, polyinnovatorspace.

51:57

Speaker 2: Because usually you've come to me for a video or audio, or you know video written content, sorry, and so one of those three will strike a chord with you and that's where it'll all be.

52:08

Speaker 1: Okay, so make sure you have those links and show us. Speaker 1: Thanks again for coming on.

52:12

Speaker 1: I have a feeling this is going to be a fun conversation, wide ranging, but I'm always I can see that you're it's almost like I can see your brain at work.

52:20

Speaker 1: You know in Twitter and what's up alive for you and you're always following your curiosity and I think the energy that comes along with that is really infectious, and so I just wanted to listen, to get a taste of that as well.

52:33

Speaker 2: I need that. Speaker 2: I need that clip right there. Speaker 2: It's collaborator on that.

52:38

Speaker 1: That's good, yeah, so I'll cut it there. Speaker 1: There's nothing that that comes to mind.

52:44

Speaker 1: But I'm just this guy named Ben Albert.

52:47

Speaker 1: He's just like and this is something I would recommend Like the best time to ask someone for this is after you.

52:53

Speaker 1: They've had a positive experience, right, yeah, I was like, oh my God, they're so smart, I can't believe you're nine years into the show.

52:59

Speaker 1: I've never really thought about it. Speaker 1: But you know, when you think about these promos, you know to share you're, you have the excitement of having been on the show.

53:08

Speaker 1: So you know what would you say. Speaker 1: Or hey, you can say, hey, introduce yourself quickly and just talk about your experience of being on show, and then you know what listeners why.

53:18

Speaker 1: Why it's a good thing for to you know whatever comes to mind for you.

53:22

Speaker 2: So whenever you're ready, I was just on podcast junkies and I'm Dustin Miller, poly Innovator.

53:29

Speaker 2: This episode that I had with Harry was so much fun.

53:32

Speaker 2: We ended up just being able to go on just a wide range of different topics, the mind blown episode, if you will.

53:37

Speaker 2: I find that the way that he hosts, the way that it's just a chill and relaxed environment, allows for the most creative ideas and expressions to be able to come out.

53:45

Speaker 2: So thank you, harry, for having me on, and I definitely say you should go on the show too.

53:49

Speaker 1: Awesome.