0:39

they have to admit that was a pretty interesting

0:42

opening was in it's ah

0:44

that's what happens when are we started

0:46

the very last second i was uploading something

0:48

and everything went crazy welcome to

0:50

the show everyone my name is martin willis

0:53

and ah i'd like to dedicate this

0:55

show who a long time

0:57

was there was back in two thousand

0:59

well

1:00

i got an email from a gentleman

1:03

named lee mcdonald i'm

1:05

up in canada and a

1:07

hilarious absolutely hilarious and

1:10

people may remember him from the

1:12

chat room he was in the chat

1:14

room many years cracking, some

1:16

wonderful jokes or he passed

1:18

away not that long ago

1:20

this year now li the

1:23

was someone that was a firefighter

1:26

himself he did a dedication for

1:28

nine eleven the people of that

1:30

and i'm going to play that home that

1:33

he wrote henry

1:35

citing it at the very

1:37

end of the show about four minutes and

1:40

it's quite moving it's called

1:42

calling all angels and

1:44

it's for fallen firefighters which

1:47

he was one he was a captain and

1:49

the fire department in up near

1:51

corn tortilla ontario he

1:54

himself oh was in a building

1:57

that collapsed and he thought he wasn't

1:59

going to make it told me the details quite a while

2:01

ago about it and he was rescued

2:03

by fellow firefighters n

2:06

and just you know he he thought that was the

2:08

and well unfortunately this

2:10

year cancer

2:12

or took him and he tried

2:15

to fight it i talked to a many times

2:17

are on the phone and out through

2:19

email and chat on facebook then

2:22

he was extremely optimistic that he was

2:24

going to beat it he said the doctors

2:26

are are telling me that i'm dying

2:29

and i don't believe them i feel so good and

2:31

he really had a great attitude but you may remember

2:33

him from all the funny stuff that he would put in

2:35

shot over the years and of

2:38

for instance i have this ah

2:40

he wrote me this here to see mail

2:42

here hey martin now well first of

2:44

all he wrote me in the sub decline fort st doesn't show

2:46

there the said he had a new tagline

2:48

forming instead of keep your eyes to the sky

2:52

i should say always stare up

2:54

there and i then he said

2:56

he was listening tonight this is back in two thousand

2:58

sixteen but he couldn't get into

3:00

the chat room and are so he was

3:02

typing telepathically so that was

3:04

a kind of our emails and texts

3:06

and things that are get from them anyway i

3:08

hope he rest in peace he was a great man so

3:11

a little bit about the show tonight we have we have guess

3:14

repeat guess i always love having him

3:16

on his always i've been very active

3:18

in the you have a world peter robinson and

3:20

i consider him a good friend as well

3:23

i'll be traveling all over the place to go talk

3:25

a little bit about that them are going to talk about

3:27

something pretty interesting and it's will

3:29

have a rice and what

3:31

he did and his connection the u

3:33

f o's the cloud busting machine

3:36

and all that stuff so i had

3:38

then also we're going to talk a little bit about

3:40

what's changed since the last time peter was on the

3:42

federal while he was on of my tenth

3:44

anniversary but com it's been awhile since

3:46

he's been a guest on my show and

3:48

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3:51

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4:06

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4:09

of a you fo and humanoid it's

4:11

probably kind of it if he photo it's pretty

4:14

good looking photo to but our

4:16

anyway check that blog out that will be an audio

4:18

blogs they always are up on you tube

4:20

and in the podcast stream so

4:23

that is enough for me well

4:26

i'm very happy to bring him i guess peter

4:28

in the show peter thanks martin good

4:30

to be back with you it's always

4:33

pier and you just saw me europe all

4:35

over the place all over the world actually of

4:38

england england so lot

4:40

but you're pretty active in the up your folks

4:42

myriad and i'm so sorry mess you up in exeter

4:45

that's how we saw on getting their it always

4:47

it was on labor day weekend night getting

4:49

out and back to rocklin main where i

4:51

live the traffic humans will just park

4:53

your car somewhere again i mean it's a that is

4:56

really bad so i didn't come down because of that how

4:59

was it this year

5:01

actually a we went in

5:04

with a great deal of concern like

5:06

every other event on the planet from

5:08

it's been pushed back for two full

5:11

years and it's

5:13

i think my sentimental favored you fo event

5:16

nearly calendar i'm honored

5:19

to be a cofounder a cofounder exeter

5:22

new hampshire you ever possible

5:24

and conference

5:25

and

5:27

distinguished by the fact that once

5:29

all the bills are paid speakers

5:32

you see their honorariums their hollows

5:34

covered

5:35

the every cent profit

5:38

those two children service it

5:40

of the greater exeter area the

5:42

coast area there

5:44

and always administered by

5:46

the corners

5:47

the great local chapter

5:50

which are also organizers the events

5:52

in question and we

5:55

just didn't know whether people would

5:57

be returning a returning and numbers and

5:59

the body from the food concession people

6:02

to those who print up the posters

6:04

to

6:06

you know the bookstore

6:08

the and all the local merchants

6:11

really we're not sure but i

6:13

think overall people took a chance

6:15

and it turned out probably be the most successful

6:18

one that we've had so far i

6:21

know on saturday a

6:23

clogged over six hundred people

6:26

the were either in the town

6:28

hall listening to the talks or

6:31

taking the tour of

6:33

the location , the events

6:36

of the incident at exeter i

6:38

think everybody had think everybody time as well

6:41

and that was i think my last live

6:43

event for the season right now but

6:46

the , of the are like most of us a

6:48

little cross eyed and homebound homebound

6:52

received an received to

6:54

speak at a you have a conference

6:57

in

6:58

edinburgh texas

7:00

really interested me because it's

7:02

twenty minutes from the border with mexico

7:05

i , never been to that part of

7:07

texas and i've never been to mexico mexico

7:10

i thought how interesting to have

7:12

, cultural experience

7:14

of that kind superimposed on the you fo subject

7:18

and , wasn't disappointed in it was at a

7:20

first rate conference organized by the city

7:23

city we were all treated great had

7:26

great , time and hopefully the

7:29

talkers well received

7:31

in

7:32

may i will that was in

7:35

jail that was in april home

7:37

in may i spoke in whole in

7:40

one another conference that have been pushed

7:42

back to two years and another great

7:44

success sponsored by the

7:47

outer limits magazine and online

7:50

monthly

7:51

the publication i'm

7:54

from there i went on

7:56

a completely non you ever related

7:59

job and some certainly

8:01

you are an arc to

8:04

a small island in the bahamas for two weeks

8:07

we , just terrible just terrible

8:09

terrible somebody shouted do it martin bets on

8:13

and there was very welcome

8:14

although it was in part to document the

8:17

incredible damage done by

8:19

a hurricane

8:20

it about three years ago right

8:23

then i i've never seen anything like

8:25

it it was truly a war zone with nature

8:28

this island is a particularly poor

8:30

one it is not a who

8:32

are should ireland much and

8:35

it was still living amid the carnage

8:38

jason obviously we're off topic

8:40

here but just to say that at

8:42

one point a tidal

8:44

surge swept across a good part of this

8:46

island and in some

8:49

cases carried things like containers

8:52

you know half a mile or so the end

8:54

of the one thing that stood out free was

8:57

a good size boat larger than a tugboat

8:59

sitting in the middle of a farm fields you

9:02

know half miles inland anyway

9:05

easy i was in very

9:07

honored to speak at this year's move on

9:09

symposium in denver in august

9:12

and again just a week and half ago the

9:14

ending mind

9:16

live world tour for dear

9:18

in exeter new hampshire

9:21

excellent well ah that's

9:23

what doubt i want to tell you i

9:25

think i sent you an email but you i'd pop

9:28

you're probably off busy and

9:30

i don't think i heard back from the maybe

9:32

maybe i can you were just busy and that happens sometimes

9:35

but up i spoke

9:38

to someone that had citing

9:40

so much like your childhood

9:42

citing that i was trying to connect

9:45

you somehow with this person i don't know

9:48

you might not agree with that yeah transcended

9:51

yeah a therapist or i'll try to find

9:53

it's but it was so

9:55

are almost identical to what you said

9:58

the only difference

10:00

what is it was a schoolyard

10:04

to asian and ah but

10:06

but job the silver this i can't remember

10:08

exactly what it was but there were three

10:11

of them and it just seems like there's

10:13

so much that was close to yours

10:15

turn on or wanted to connect you

10:18

to and you know now that i brought that

10:20

up i know you've told probably ten

10:22

times on my show some over the

10:24

years but if you could in a nutshell

10:26

can you talk about that particular citing

10:28

because that's really what got you interested the

10:31

topic i know you put it away for years that

10:34

popped back into your life right

10:37

yeah well it became

10:39

the most massive repressed memory of my

10:41

life

10:43

though i do have to joke with people that i have

10:45

i have other repressed memories i don't remember

10:47

them but

10:50

this will yeah very

10:52

unambiguous daylight citing when

10:55

i was fourteen years old growing up

10:57

on long island about thirty miles

10:59

east of manhattan on

11:02

a late june morning with

11:05

one of my sisters we

11:08

observed five the

11:11

barry white just shaped objects coming

11:13

in at a high rate of speed and stopping over

11:16

the neighbor's house

11:18

and

11:20

they were oval very

11:23

a very precise and v is

11:25

and victory type formation i'm

11:27

we could make out regular slightly

11:30

lighter detailing around the edge of each

11:32

that we could only readers

11:34

windows when we finally discuss this more than

11:37

fourteen years later and

11:41

it really overloaded my circuits

11:43

i a it's a very naive

11:45

kid growing up in a simpler time the

11:47

really didn't have an interest in this subject i

11:49

certainly another interest

11:51

the only connection i had with you you

11:54

f o's was

11:55

the b movies and i grew up

11:57

on would occasionally see you

11:59

know my friends that our local theater on a saturday

12:02

afternoon but

12:04

am i , really too much

12:07

me to deal with and

12:09

i packed away quite well

12:11

the

12:13

more than fourteen years later

12:15

the number of things triggered that memory many came

12:17

roaring back like a freight train that

12:20

was was difficult afternoon for me

12:22

because

12:24

you know you think you're having a major mental

12:26

episode how could you possibly press

12:29

the most profoundly memorable memory

12:31

of your life on a certain level but we can do

12:33

it and i

12:36

really gave some thought before i telephoned

12:38

my sister cause

12:40

i did not want to just blurt

12:43

out what i remembered never

12:45

say yes or no that would not really constitute

12:47

confirmation for me the

12:49

by the time i called her was able to

12:52

, i've had a memory return set

12:54

the scene the time of day the

12:56

weather where weather were standing we were to each

12:58

other and she just cut me off and said i know what you're

13:00

talking about

13:02

and we very quickly

13:04

dispense with matter

13:06

that that's when my life completely

13:08

change and she said but there's more

13:12

and then went on to described me the

13:14

series are very conscious memories

13:16

thing she'd never forgotten

13:18

the never felt compelled to talk about either

13:22

what we would now regard as

13:24

extremely

13:26

aka to pickle classic you

13:29

fo abduction related memories

13:32

being lifted into the air the

13:34

walk through a curve metal hallway

13:37

those beings that we would now call

13:39

graze although that term didn't exist

13:42

when we first discuss this back

13:44

in the nineteen seventies and

13:47

i thought for a moment my sister

13:49

must be going crazy

13:51

or not telling the truth but

13:53

then you catch yourself say ah five

13:56

seconds ago it was alright

13:58

for five

14:00

this shaped objects close enough to see

14:02

windows on them to be hanging over the parkers house

14:04

but allen's crazy and

14:07

, know martin people say i'm the

14:10

phrase my life change overnight maintains

14:12

change overnight ninety seconds i really

14:16

lucky enough as a young person who

14:19

know what i wanted to do and be good at and

14:21

by the time in this memory resurfaced

14:24

i was in my late twenties and i was

14:26

pursuing was career as career painter and lower manhattan

14:28

and living that dream the

14:31

this became an obsession what had happened to my sister

14:35

never having heard of i didn't know there were you

14:37

have oh conferences i didn't know there were people

14:40

like me now

14:42

who did this he knows fairly serious

14:44

work or

14:47

it was a , unto

14:49

itself but my

14:53

the rear train kind of jumped the

14:55

tracks and here i am all these

14:57

years later doing this

15:00

right now i know

15:02

you your sister was beautiful she was

15:04

also a rock star and

15:06

unfortunately we lost her over

15:09

the years when i was a great a terrible loss

15:12

so on but do

15:14

i have that right she was wasn't you do evolution

15:17

is and in doing pretty well as a musician

15:20

yes helen was a gold and

15:23

platinum record award winning singer

15:25

songwriter who run as many seeking

15:28

solace or the blue oyster cult perform

15:30

but her band for ten years in the greater new

15:32

york area a

15:35

marvelous lyricist and and electrifying

15:37

performer who was one of the

15:39

vanguard of that first

15:41

wave of what

15:43

became called punk music i mean she

15:45

open for the

15:48

talking heads for a gay for

15:50

ramones ah mile

15:53

in canada pantheon and

15:57

without realizing that you are kind of

15:59

at this

16:00

the moment in pop music history i

16:02

went along for the ride and but

16:06

she passes in two thousand up following

16:09

complications from surgery her

16:12

music is out there and she had

16:14

a lot of courage in

16:16

being very public person about

16:18

the subject back when they weren't

16:20

a lot of them

16:22

right

16:23

that bright see that see the summer just

16:25

said hell on wheels

16:27

this is that was really want name seok

16:29

having nothing to do as people occasionally

16:32

asked with the paul mccartney

16:35

song of that name which came out yeah double

16:37

years before he

16:39

was christened hell on wheels a pun

16:41

on the fact that she could be

16:43

hell on wheels higher a

16:45

lead singer of the one of the other

16:48

original punk band van

16:50

gogh vanguard bans the dictators

16:53

handsome dick manitoba gave her that name minutes

16:55

shock

16:56

lot about that i'm i'm having

16:58

a little bit a technical issues peter

17:01

and tax so i'm going to ask you

17:03

a question and have you talking to leave the studio

17:05

come back and you're not going to go anywhere that

17:07

ah though for see if that

17:10

will make a difference if i reboot

17:12

or something like that sure so let's

17:14

up

17:16

i don't want to miss anything we're gonna talk

17:18

they'll him right a little bit disposal

17:21

i want i'm trying to think of what

17:23

can get you on for a topic that you

17:25

could speak on for a while and i know you're very

17:27

good at speaking about anything so i

17:29

guess i'll ask you this when you go to well

17:33

com what

17:35

is it

17:37

you're subject to pack and

17:40

about had a you a focus on

17:42

a conference like you said you'd texas

17:45

someone in england and stuff like so if

17:47

you wouldn't mind just addressing a little bit of that and

17:49

i'll be right back separate alright

17:52

i'll be right back

17:55

well following on martin's request

17:58

the edinburg you ever

17:59

the festival and conference

18:03

again maybe twenty

18:05

minutes from the mexican

18:08

american border and a

18:10

part of america that

18:12

has been called from a mexican mexican

18:14

american for , hundred

18:16

and fifty years and

18:19

and a wonderful culture to be immersed in an

18:22

in had given them as i sometimes do

18:24

and a mass speak the

18:26

half a dozen a different

18:29

subjects that turn

18:31

they couldn't lecture on or

18:33

if they had something in particular they wanted

18:35

me to a discussed and

18:38

they choose what was

18:41

the most

18:42

well known

18:44

embedded star commanded you

18:47

evo incident in the history

18:49

of the soviet union

18:51

the boring the tunguska

18:54

the event in nineteen oh wait

18:56

which is still somewhat mysterious this

18:59

happened in the russian city of voronezh

19:02

i'm sure of pronouncing that wrong in

19:05

nineteen eighty nineteen

19:07

we feel landing the

19:09

a fully articulated unidentified

19:13

flying object a machine of undetermined origin

19:16

in a public park in

19:18

the city which is about three hundred

19:21

miles south southeast

19:23

of moscow and afternoon

19:26

time has school was getting out a lot

19:28

of kid witnesses a lot of adult witnesses

19:31

the

19:32

local investigators coming into the area

19:34

almost immediately and

19:37

collecting samples documenting the

19:40

a anomalous changes to

19:42

the organic material that

19:45

this incident so to say bumped up against

19:47

harm but they'd ask me to give the talk

19:50

and part because

19:52

it was a younger audience and they wanted

19:54

to be something of a history lesson because

19:57

events superimposed itself the

20:00

disintegration of the soviet union and

20:02

i ended up

20:03

corresponding for several years becoming

20:06

quite close with a

20:08

russian

20:09

professor also you follow just i'm

20:11

inverness it wouldn't

20:13

made a kind of a unique investigation otherwise

20:17

the talks that i gave this year

20:20

we're variations on

20:22

a subject

20:24

that's fascinated me for decades and

20:27

that i've spoken on occasionally but occasionally finally

20:29

came back to and pulled

20:31

together as a full documented

20:34

presentation and it's

20:36

something that's occurred to most people who

20:38

have some interesting u f o's the

20:41

then you move on to other things which is

20:44

the ridicule attached to the subject

20:47

has been ferocious for

20:49

most of the time since the

20:51

beginning of the modern age of you oppose and

20:53

nineteen forty seven family there

20:56

are earlier events but that's

20:58

when specially dated from by most folks

21:01

and how it came to pass

21:04

that almost instantaneously in

21:07

the summer nineteen forty seven the

21:09

american public and by extension

21:12

the western world and

21:14

their brains rewired and away

21:17

two respond

21:20

to somebody simply

21:22

stating

21:24

that they'd seen something in the sky

21:26

that was unusual that they've never seen

21:28

before that they didn't recognize that

21:31

maneuvered in a manner that they are unfamiliar with

21:34

which seems like a perfectly

21:38

logical

21:40

to be curious about but

21:43

to respond not by

21:45

saying or thinking gee that's

21:47

interesting that's interesting what was true

21:50

but

21:51

by responding or thinking what's

21:54

wrong with this person or are they

21:56

mentally ill do they want

21:59

to feel special

22:00

do they think this is going to make them wealthy

22:03

or famous today the

22:05

have a desire to com me as is some

22:08

kind of hoax or they member of a cold

22:11

none of it makes sense at all and

22:14

so i really started to dig into

22:17

and to try to find the

22:19

actual mechanisms the

22:22

i think idea and more

22:25

i think

22:26

i'm able in their presentation

22:29

and the paper that i wrote

22:31

to trace it down to key

22:33

individuals

22:34

within the truman administration and

22:37

within the major world of

22:39

mass media which at the time

22:41

was dominated by newspapers nineteen

22:43

forty seven anyway once

22:48

i finished my final

22:50

variation on the presentation in

22:52

exeter that gets filed and move on

22:54

to the material

22:56

that i'm developing for my own curiosity

22:59

and research and for feature presentation

23:02

excellent well he has some i'm

23:04

sorry i couldn't i mean i did reboot and

23:07

it seems much better now and everything seems fine

23:10

but i'm i thought the days of rebooting

23:12

computers was over you know if

23:14

memory serves to reboot him all the time

23:17

yeah even just the word alone sound so wonderfully

23:19

data day my ear and

23:22

yeah i think just as a footnote exeter

23:25

tv the local television

23:27

network an extra new hampshire they

23:30

ran the ran the and they filmed all the

23:32

talks and i think this week

23:34

and this guess it's exeter it's v dot com i'm not

23:36

sure

23:37

they're starting to make them available the

23:40

talks by the

23:41

various presenters and it was a terrific

23:43

group presentations i must say yeah

23:46

, friend paul you know it's always there was

23:48

banned they're they're sure to smash the i

23:50

did their usual radio show live from the

23:52

event shop with all of the speakers

23:54

and q and a and gave

23:57

and terrific talk together once

23:59

again as always the or perennials

24:01

at this event and much beloved

24:03

you know it's it's something

24:05

you know you talk about and covered and

24:08

what it's changed and everyone holding back and same

24:10

thing i'm on my way to phoenix

24:12

later on hands are actually

24:14

doing or my second talk the

24:17

your foe topic and now and

24:19

shack harbor coming up october first

24:21

serif they're not in phoenix i'm going

24:23

to help and my friend done

24:26

and i are both going out there and

24:28

it's gonna be a lot of fun like it always has

24:30

been it's then i was a

24:32

three it's been two years two years

24:34

said it was a virtual and

24:37

i think the same things going to happen there

24:39

i think there's gonna be gonna lot of people

24:41

coming and i'm as i'm mentioned

24:43

to the last show well

24:46

that if you're going to be out in phoenix

24:48

a police to send me an email at martin

24:50

at podcast u f o dot com and

24:52

i'm sorry i haven't responded to the people at wrote

24:54

last week but that doesn't mean

24:56

a i'm going to put you all in one area number going to

25:00

you all and and that he'll be nice

25:02

to catch up with people and i may do a round

25:04

robin are like to invite people to

25:07

be in the audience for the round robin as well i

25:10

do think that you know i mean

25:12

there's gonna be some people were mass i know

25:14

the so a problem it's not like

25:16

the singh has gone away there's the annoyed the

25:19

people i i was at an estate sale i

25:21

had an estate sale last weekend and

25:24

you know there were some people that walked in they're

25:27

not wearing a mask in the day before the woman

25:30

was in her car and so she had covered in i reckon

25:32

nicer came in without a mask soybean

25:35

it's if with that type of thing you

25:37

know it has since irresponsible

25:39

again incredibly irresponsible and

25:41

right greedy to in a way

25:43

yes but anyway i think

25:45

that for the most part that these conferences

25:48

people have you know spent a few years

25:50

and they're they're dying to get out and i think they're

25:53

going to be successful so doesn't surprise me

25:55

at all about the six hundred people

25:58

but i want to ask you this more

26:00

were there people at the end because

26:03

that's meaning that the really

26:05

interested in there and i think

26:07

that there are more people interested than

26:10

than ever before at the salon

26:12

other certainly war martin although

26:15

oh is almost always noticeably less

26:18

in this case the last

26:20

presenter sit five

26:23

a clunky stay and then second

26:25

day you know most folks

26:27

are travelling many of them by car in

26:30

some cases considerable distance is i

26:33

like some of the other speakers state over that

26:35

final sunday night cause

26:37

i and a colleague of mine

26:39

had a

26:40

the six or seven per hour drive

26:42

back to

26:44

the it's got new york area in

26:46

central new york state so

26:48

i'm not something you want to start out at

26:50

at six in the evening but

26:52

again a very successful conference

26:55

very well run

26:56

and as i understand it i'm we

26:58

raised more

27:00

four children services

27:02

then we ever have before and attention

27:04

pretty considerable so we're all very proud of

27:06

that yeah that sucks on our try to make

27:08

it next year and

27:10

i've said that i've been there a few times last summer

27:13

with their sin friedman was there and ah

27:15

, yield member that one and now it was so

27:17

funny these young girls when around him with aliens

27:20

big blow up aliens are all excited

27:22

he's for he was friendly to everybody ah

27:25

it was great it was great of

27:27

so i want to talk want little bit because

27:30

saw bit did i

27:32

did some homework yesterday or

27:34

because i want to talk about veal hammer rice

27:37

and as cloud busting machine his connection

27:40

to you f o's i know you did some work on that

27:42

and i've always wanted

27:44

to talk to you about that because his his

27:47

last place was right in the state of maine

27:50

so my friend and i drove up there

27:52

yesterday and here's

27:54

the or that was his home right

27:57

that is at the building

27:59

is com

27:59

the old organ on i

28:02

am here it was his home but

28:04

it was also his laboratory his

28:06

observer his observatory

28:09

and his arch shooting yeah i'm

28:11

and examination rooms and library

28:13

in fact

28:14

it was designed in such am

28:17

a functional

28:18

organic way that every

28:20

visit i've made their i just

28:22

am taken aback at

28:25

how

28:27

the sensible how really brilliant

28:29

in acquired sort of way the structure

28:31

is you move from environment to

28:34

environment it's built mostly

28:36

with these old field stones from

28:38

the original farmhouse that it replaced

28:40

on the estate that right fought in

28:43

, early nineteen fifties when he

28:45

moved to maine and

28:51

they should i should say here that i

28:53

first was introduced to the writings

28:55

of wilhelm reich when i was still was

28:57

teenager

28:58

and the

29:01

science that he pioneered which

29:03

he called or gonna me people

29:06

get caught up on onwards especially

29:08

if the content

29:10

and make them feel uneasy he and

29:12

lot of either the root word organism

29:15

etc the

29:17

they are gathering

29:19

the right to yeah the science of how

29:21

energy functions in the living

29:23

in the not moving realms and

29:25

as a result in his forty five

29:28

year or so exploration has

29:30

a scientist as a psychotherapist

29:33

the social historian

29:35

has a brilliant observer

29:37

of the human condition

29:39

if you're not aware

29:42

of the

29:45

that the thread that runs through everything is about

29:47

the study of energy it seems kind

29:50

of slipshod are helter skelter

29:52

he researched and explored

29:54

areas as diverse as

29:57

whether formation human behavior

29:59

cancer formation the

30:02

raising of healthy children how

30:05

galaxies formed how organisms

30:07

split

30:10

fascism ah vs

30:12

democracy

30:14

but it was like a gun sights straight

30:16

through these areas of study the

30:19

last of which he focused on in his last

30:21

year's

30:22

having to do with the u f o

30:24

phenomena fairly recent at

30:26

that time but just

30:29

for warned there

30:31

is no way that we can do this

30:34

subject the any real

30:36

justice here other than can of

30:38

looking across the landscape

30:40

the work and you know answering

30:43

whatever specific questions i can

30:46

i will say that

30:48

for people interested in you

30:50

oppose

30:53

who study

30:55

or who read his last

30:57

book

30:57

the called contact with space it

31:00

it can be over romanticized

31:03

and romanticized would say that's probably the

31:05

worst book to read first off

31:08

because it's the culmination again

31:10

i'm forty five years of work going

31:12

back to his brilliant years

31:14

as freud's

31:16

first assistant and the later nineteen twenties

31:19

nineteen vienna right and managing

31:21

to escape

31:22

well

31:24

hitler literally as the the doors

31:27

are closing our men being a refugee

31:29

and europe for years until he

31:31

was invited to speak at

31:33

to be at instructor at

31:36

the new school for social research in

31:38

new york and nineteen forty

31:41

one or so but

31:44

for me he was a millennial genius

31:47

and there is no

31:49

other philosophers scientists social

31:51

thinker who has had has more

31:53

profound effect on my thinking the

31:56

way that i see the

31:58

world as it is

31:59

i'm

32:01

contact with space for what it's worth

32:04

i'm was published

32:07

a month after right died in nineteen

32:09

fifty seven i was published

32:11

posthumously and only five

32:13

hundred copies were ever printed so

32:16

if you haven't original copy of

32:18

it hold on to it ah

32:21

there are a reproductions

32:23

of the book that are available through the

32:25

wilhelm reich museum bookstore

32:28

which is enough to find online and

32:32

hi

32:33

my first ten years of of studying

32:35

his work really

32:39

the subject of his u f o involvement interest

32:41

in me least of all because

32:43

again hours repressing that memory in that

32:46

part of his work didn't interest me a

32:48

man quite radically quite did then

32:50

i am realizing

32:53

i was obsess in a way that

32:55

was unhealthy with what

32:57

the hell happened to my sister and what

32:59

was this phenomenon and what was it all

33:02

about an eye for

33:04

the first time in my life felt i really needed

33:06

a therapist the man remembered

33:08

reich has had and involvement in the subject

33:11

and quite a remarkable one and

33:13

that his first assistant for the last eleven

33:16

years of his life

33:17

they did learn looking into and learn

33:19

that doctor ellsworth f baker

33:22

it is later seventies was alive and well and

33:24

so practicing in the method that

33:26

reich had instructed him in both

33:29

in his home office in red bank new jersey

33:31

in an office that he had for years

33:34

on the upper east side in manhattan and

33:37

after an initial contact with him

33:39

i decided

33:40

who go into therapy with him and did

33:42

for almost seven years

33:44

and it was one of the smartest and most valuable things

33:46

i ever did for myself

33:49

the

33:50

i will also say that the

33:54

cloud bus or which along

33:56

with the org own energy accumulator

33:58

often refer

33:59

to usually derogatory early as

34:02

the organ box

34:04

the bigger simple laboratory devices

34:07

the there that is

34:09

what remains of the very first

34:12

cloud buster doesn't bear much of resemblance

34:14

to

34:15

more modern ones and

34:17

the best i can do is tell you that the

34:21

accumulator which came first and

34:24

one made for i have a person

34:27

might be the size of an old fashioned phone

34:29

booth it's basically li

34:31

layers of organic and inorganic

34:33

material

34:34

for example

34:37

the steel whoa

34:38

plywood

34:40

the more layers the more potential

34:43

it has for capturing

34:46

and holding energy organic material holds

34:48

energy metallic

34:51

material reflects energy and

34:54

they work you feel a

34:57

genuine

34:58

the difference he

35:00

, didn't way that you that

35:03

they can be applied to healing

35:06

i'm too a

35:09

better sense of wellbeing

35:13

in some cases of

35:15

fighting a certain diseases and conditions

35:18

the club buster is

35:21

simply a series of

35:23

long metal pipes and

35:25

, experimenting with different metals for

35:27

some time before getting on the ones that were

35:30

optimum that are

35:32

then attached to hello

35:35

industrial level be

35:38

x cable are all familiar with the be x cable

35:40

that runs through our homes but

35:42

a actual working klobuchar

35:45

to address ,

35:48

atmospheric conditions conditions

35:50

this larger cable material

35:52

very material and they

35:54

are simply attached at the back of these tubes

35:57

and the cables themselves and

36:00

the wiring or been grounded

36:02

in running water

36:03

or a well bore

36:06

the pond and the

36:08

water is water natural

36:10

energetic a tractor and

36:12

, the pipes are aimed in a certain

36:15

direction direction draws

36:18

energy to it in the in

36:21

and in a case of a stagnant

36:23

atmosphere as we find in

36:25

a drought it gets the atmosphere

36:28

moving again and want reich was

36:30

able to do then i only

36:32

wish that there were more

36:36

people in mainstream science that would at

36:38

least try to replicate some of these experiments

36:40

for themselves to see a brilliantly

36:42

they work it

36:45

can break droughts in fact

36:47

be leading com individual

36:50

in the world who did more of this

36:52

work certainly than right or anyone else a

36:55

doctor james to mail laboratory

36:57

or a others or another

36:59

, variation laboratory

37:02

was outside of ashland of passed

37:04

away earlier this year gym as an old friend

37:06

of mine going back to the seventies and

37:09

he broke droughts over the years

37:12

for the french government the german government

37:15

is israel eritrea

37:18

ah it work but

37:21

because of the controversy which is not

37:23

on like the controversy surrounding taking

37:26

u f o seriously at least tell recently

37:29

he always had to sign nondisclosure agreements

37:32

you know as far as major publicity

37:34

of the fact that this technique

37:37

briggs droughts right

37:41

was seen

37:44

by officialdom

37:46

to a a degree at the time of

37:49

his coming over to the united states as

37:52

a potential security

37:54

threat he

37:56

was the most anti-communist

37:58

person you can imagine but you

38:00

know he was an eastern european guy and you gotta keep

38:02

an eye on those people on a dodger or you

38:05

know spoke with an accent so love you

38:07

never know but the

38:09

ft a at the time because

38:13

there is no question that in

38:15

many cases of people

38:17

who used

38:20

orgone energy accumulators or bone

38:23

being word for

38:25

energy in that would be the same

38:27

as nineteenth century the victorians

38:30

referring to the ether for hindu

38:32

culture referring to the product that

38:35

the orgone energy

38:37

enhanced a one's

38:39

ability

38:40

who build up tolerance

38:43

up tolerance

38:44

and something sadly that our culture

38:46

is lacking into a great degree and

38:49

experience for

38:50

more pleasurable,

38:53

orgasm

38:55

as well as a

38:57

deeper sense of in general

39:00

and , he was immediately labeled a sex

39:02

quack quack late forties

39:04

by the sta but

39:06

they were never get able to get anybody to complain

39:10

no patients ah no individual

39:12

that it ever work with a more it ever use any the medical

39:14

equipment that working

39:18

from his schematic so or that was

39:20

produced by the earth is his

39:22

laboratory ever

39:24

had an issue with a temper but

39:27

then the ft a was able

39:30

to push through legislation to

39:33

have least halt interstate shipping ads

39:36

experimental medical devices which is

39:39

certainly fine unfortunately

39:42

one of his physicians completely

39:46

forgot and ,

39:48

a certain order shipped panels

39:50

for and accumulator from

39:53

range remain to new york state

39:56

and they had i'm on a technicality and

39:58

rice who brilliant but

40:01

in , ways idealistic

40:04

the way the did not serve him decided

40:07

that if you're gonna trial he

40:09

, use it as an opportunity to prove

40:12

prove viability and the reality of the

40:14

science that he had developed and

40:16

the judge would have none of it lost the case

40:19

and was sentenced to a year

40:22

in prison in i'm where

40:24

he died right

40:27

yes her lewisburg federal penitentiary

40:29

in pennsylvania where , was found

40:32

dead in his cell about a week before

40:35

he was scheduled for parole release

40:38

and don't it's so

40:42

easy , understand some folks jumping to the

40:44

conclusion myself as

40:46

well originally that this

40:48

might have been some foul play it might

40:50

have been but

40:52

he

40:54

being imprisoned up with a life dedicated

40:56

to literally to

40:59

freedom and nature and natural

41:01

functioning that , to be

41:03

crushing to him plus he

41:05

was plus he smoker that

41:07

a whiskey at night the heavy

41:09

european diet taipei character

41:13

high blood pressure you know that

41:15

you don't need to

41:16

look too far for a conspiracy again

41:19

i will say i have use these

41:21

devices and they work

41:23

more as far as far cloud buster goes

41:27

for ten years com from

41:29

my late twenties into my later thirties

41:32

i was

41:33

reading this material for

41:35

well actually starting when i was nineteen

41:38

at voraciously and i understood

41:41

and accepted the principles the energetic

41:43

principles that the cloud

41:45

buster operated under

41:47

it's one thing to accept something intellectually

41:50

and and of thing to actually experience it

41:52

or see it in action and

41:54

on a very memorable day in

41:57

probably in the later seventies a number of us

41:59

who would work

42:01

as fundraisers for on on to become

42:03

the american college of or gonna me in

42:05

princeton new jersey which i have not any

42:07

association with many years but was

42:10

proud to help put into effect

42:14

the

42:15

local farmer who

42:18

was a friend of the college

42:20

allowed his property to

42:22

be used for demonstration and

42:25

, of the best trained fall busters ever

42:27

a man who are still sand touch with who lives

42:29

out in oregon now i'm still

42:32

demonstration it was trailer mounted

42:34

on a behind day

42:36

a rock it

42:40

was operated from a cable drive

42:43

with along electrical wire it

42:46

when it's operating can it can put on

42:49

a somewhat toxic

42:51

field

42:52

enough to make you not feel good

42:55

in extreme cases too give

42:58

you a really bad sore throat or a headache or

43:00

whatever and ,

43:02

it was very methodical this is not

43:05

it was not again open operation

43:07

to

43:08

effect a major change in the weather

43:10

in the area but ,

43:13

tell you martin it it's indelible

43:15

at my mind at one point starting out

43:18

a john said that cloud

43:20

bank over there over the next ten minutes

43:22

or so i am going

43:25

to the moved

43:27

and then i'm going to create

43:30

a club bank over here weather is not

43:33

now i'm going to cut this cloud

43:35

in half and again

43:38

maybe two minutes of drawing

43:42

on it

43:43

not only did he do it but if

43:45

the it's his club buster add

43:48

ten pipes i don't remember we

43:51

watched in complete

43:53

on as before

43:56

split in half you could make

43:58

out ten ruff j

43:59

get holes

44:01

several moments and then dissipating

44:03

and then two parts and

44:05

so on it was some the

44:08

i will never forget and

44:11

on the other side of it who

44:13

manufacture one of these things can be deceptively

44:16

simple

44:17

the to operate it responsibly

44:22

if you you know or

44:24

want to just show off and creates

44:27

a movement in the atmosphere so to say you

44:30

can create damaging conditions

44:33

i work at a time i'd like to taste

44:35

for if i goods real quickly or

44:37

that had to do with this pence so

44:39

when i was in my the twenties

44:42

i'm trying to remember a kind of early twenties

44:45

early twenties say a park ranger in

44:48

california in the san diego area

44:50

lower oh tied lake was the name of the

44:52

park and , i had to

44:55

i had to do a talk on

44:57

and on people over to the

44:59

damn and back and gotta

45:02

it seems like it was nineteen thirteen oh by

45:04

the way have a picture myself as a ranger know don't

45:06

laugh too hard i won't yeah

45:08

okay because it's pretty funny i can't

45:10

speak directly of address the iranian so

45:13

i have a a tarantula on

45:15

be that a pet tarantula heritage

45:17

radio yes celebs

45:20

be in my twenties my twenties admiral

45:23

i'm i'm giving this talked on

45:26

on the the am and and

45:28

all that and the

45:31

the amazing thing is that

45:33

they had a drought

45:35

the really bad drought in they call the cloud

45:37

buster in that the the town

45:39

or something was going to pay him

45:42

something like five thousand big money

45:44

for back then five thousand dollars

45:46

he did the cloud buster it rained

45:49

so hard the damn first

45:51

in a killed like a hundred and twenty farmers

45:53

down down river below the dam sa

45:56

take a course didn't pay him that that that

45:58

that is a true story and the tell it

46:00

when i used at the top people our

46:03

i've never heard that the at a lower our

46:05

eyes if you could don't look at it out

46:07

and was it wasn't i

46:10

know that this was free wilhelm

46:13

reich but i'm at it

46:15

was some type of cloud thing that he

46:17

supposedly shot up in the hemisphere

46:19

slightly and oil

46:21

we're talking about

46:24

when you say pre wilhelm reich yeah

46:26

this was this was up in like nineteen

46:29

thirteen or fifteen or you know what

46:31

i'm going to do peter will talk offline

46:34

and i'll get all the information cause i used to do

46:36

the talk but it's it i know that like idea

46:38

that was forty years ago you know at

46:41

to the best of my knowledge my knowledge

46:43

had developed this technology back then

46:45

so he wouldn't know the cloud buster

46:47

but it was something else and

46:49

it was something shot up into the atmosphere

46:52

and i will give nothing nothing is shot

46:54

up into the atmosphere

46:56

with a club or serbia simply

46:58

total different thing but still it was

47:00

it was quite a story you staff the towel hannah

47:03

i'll i'll look into that get the details but

47:05

i know this is way off the u f o subject

47:07

that whole people are so enjoying it but

47:09

didn't he aim the

47:11

didn't he think that he could send the signal's

47:14

out to the u f o's

47:15

something wrong and i know signals involved

47:18

in that or the anniversary

47:21

focusing energy and it

47:23

wasn't that he thought that he

47:25

could

47:26

they did

47:27

and it with multiple be observed undocumented

47:30

repeatedly in maine

47:32

as well as the following year

47:35

he near tucson where they had reached

47:37

a space the use a cloud buster

47:41

specifically in one of the driest parts

47:44

united states so

47:46

that if they produce results they were after which

47:49

they did they broke every what the record industry

47:51

of arizona it wouldn't it would be

47:53

less in dispute but ah

47:56

yes he did and each time

47:58

that he

47:59

aim the club

47:59

ship at a you

48:02

ever it either dimmed

48:05

or wobbly or moved

48:08

or disappeared

48:09

well

48:11

that is something health so

48:14

there there could be something

48:16

now someone you said is very simplistic

48:19

to create what's

48:21

your ever up a pat are patton

48:23

on it that someone could reproduce

48:25

something new

48:27

no he did not take

48:29

out a patent on the crowd buster or

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the hogan energy came later

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and with simple schematic

48:37

anybody can reproduce and i

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would say if you have any

48:41

interest in italy's learning about it responsibly

48:44

the best

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look available

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published is the late doctor

48:50

james tomatoes or gone

48:52

energy accumulator

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and

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i think that's available from the

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organ

49:01

by a physical or

49:04

gone by a physical research laboratory

49:06

in ashwin maine or just remember o

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b r l a

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the huge archive and very well

49:13

documented

49:15

yeah so this this kind of reminds

49:17

me a little bit of tesla resort know my friend

49:20

gonna today and you know she brought that

49:22

up it's kinda like you know i'm

49:24

so another controversial you know

49:26

i mean tussaud's papers whatever happened

49:28

to them you know right after he died hump

49:31

was to pay a cent on his property when

49:33

he when he died

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they descended

49:38

on his property while he was alive on

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confiscated

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home

49:44

in the are you know how administration between

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i think fifty six and

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nineteen sixty few months before kennedy

49:51

was inaugurated something like

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eight tons the

49:55

original literature hardcover

49:58

books medical the journals if

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they had even a reference to

50:03

the term org own energy

50:05

because the ft a hadn't sided

50:08

and declared that there was no such

50:10

thing there for this

50:12

was some kind of fraud and

50:15

his books were burned by

50:17

the tongue i the united states

50:19

government and rated

50:22

for dark moment i'm in

50:25

scientific history and one

50:27

that most people have nowhere to shove at all

50:30

though

50:31

as for sister goes he

50:33

died at the new yorker hotel

50:35

and nine young forty two the being

50:38

it by a car and and

50:41

most smart

50:43

money says it was the f b i

50:45

the got into his room and cleaned out

50:48

the safe the i

50:50

will say as a footnote i

50:52

know from my father who the

50:55

to delight in sharing with me

50:58

and occasionally other people that

51:00

i was conceived in the hotel

51:02

new yorker while , was

51:05

agency or well which means there's probably

51:07

one chance in three hundred or so so

51:10

that i was conceived in the room that

51:12

i covered us covered was passed

51:15

away and and live in athletics

51:17

yeah that makes total sense peter here

51:19

i asked

51:22

his service cps now

51:25

i stayed there one night and you know what i first

51:27

fell asleep thinking

51:28

this be the room you

51:30

know you don't want to think about your too hard

51:33

yeah yeah no didn't even have and he lives

51:35

in a fairly big like as not up penthouse

51:37

earning and pepper but it's pretty sizable

51:39

sweets i was in a have no

51:41

idea but george westinghouse could

51:44

afford it and george westinghouse essentially

51:47

robbed him of about a billion dollar it on

51:49

past the lovely so much our first

51:51

hour of every electric motor that was ever

51:53

produced how attorney even

51:55

know it be in the trillions by now

51:58

family guy or you know

51:59

tesla

52:01

was

52:02

the millennial genius of a different sort and

52:05

at the same time somewhat naive an idealistic

52:08

and what westinghouse putting

52:10

him putting the earlier nineteen hundreds was

52:13

with your discoveries

52:15

and a little thing i've created called

52:17

general electric we can transform

52:19

the world in a good way but i'll go

52:21

broke if you keep me you know to original

52:24

agreement so can i just pay a million dollars

52:26

and will call a than a half that's

52:29

right up there with by manhattan island for

52:31

twenty four dollars invades as far as i'm shattered

52:33

yeah

52:34

that's something else we

52:36

have our shoes i

52:39

think we're just about out a time peter on the

52:41

sherwin so fast with you and

52:43

i like to have you on sooner than later again

52:45

and will talk about glad to have other

52:47

subjects but right now it's

52:50

our time for me to run this beautiful

52:52

of videos showing the seahawks

52:54

com are dedicated to nine

52:57

eleven which was just a couple of days ago and

53:00

of and one thing he did

53:02

was ah he always

53:04

posted this on this is

53:06

a facebook site i'm every year

53:08

at this time you know nine eleven so

53:11

this again is a tribute to

53:13

a great man we mcdonalds and

53:15

harry us with his palm right here and

53:17

will be back next week with everyone with ben

53:19

hurl and thank you so much and

53:21

what and what it that he

53:23

wanted me to say stare up in the air

53:26

or something like that but i'll say i

53:28

i would say it right for the if i could

53:30

and here we go

54:02

by to develop

54:20

calling all angels calling

54:23

all angels went out his

54:25

funders please i , thy

54:27

lord bct my hordes to

54:29

assemble and front of me me

54:31

a slash the angels did das to gather

54:33

at his feet and hear his plan

54:36

to help all man by use of

54:38

heavens elite the devils

54:40

made elite the the september days

54:43

they're hurt the ones i love

54:46

his , upon earth his demonic

54:48

worse now push has come to

54:50

shove all not stand

54:52

by stand have good men die without

54:54

awareness in their heart so

54:57

this day and my plan for weighs

54:59

about i'm going to start gabriel

55:03

old friend to , sand

55:05

welcome every woman and man man

55:08

have come our way this fateful day who

55:10

died by satans hands satans

55:13

, you go you need to know a

55:15

few your bring straight to me

55:18

firefighters all now standing tall

55:21

known as the three forty three

55:24

was , gone and quite a strong

55:27

may wonder that is planned to

55:29

send and quell the flames of hell i

55:32

use of mortal man all

55:35

manner of go from the strongest

55:37

and stoked of , holier

55:39

race race fear fell

55:41

upon the heavenly strong at

55:43

the plan the lord said thursday i

55:47

can censor my heart says the taste and start

55:50

a , of you don't understand but

55:53

confused as you the

55:55

news too and that is

55:57

the heart of my plan

55:59

here

55:59

the not for one i've ross has

56:02

, you to say says forth forth

56:05

i'll send you know how those who

56:07

fell the firefighters

56:09

from new york and the lord

56:12

raised his staff and began to laugh

56:14

and roaring sandra roaring and

56:16

in a blaze they stepped summerhayes

56:19

the angelic three the three a

56:22

so and and a line and very short time

56:24

making very formations rose

56:27

and the lord cause to slip on every man's

56:29

hip of on and heavenly host

56:32

the greatest the states satan didn't

56:34

make money struck down these men

56:37

so brave sinking

56:39

idol down not extending my

56:41

hands in their souls i would not

56:43

safe have no fear

56:45

for the men standing here the

56:48

way to his place they manuel

56:51

for knowingly each day they've collected

56:53

their pay by stepping into

56:55

how these , know their task

56:58

now angeles i asked stick your face and

57:00

straight to earth earth comfort

57:02

their friends when the talib exams and

57:04

they start to question are question some

57:07

solum with wings and all

57:09

wings since on

57:11

their shoulder your head is to rust

57:14

son whispers a sense from are heavily

57:16

rents say the

57:19

nose

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you did your best