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Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 From May 26 2023, episode 134 GPG

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Well, hello everybody, welcome to podcasting. 2.0 the podcast

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that is the official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 The

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boardroom, Warren Buffett is forbidden from joining. That's

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right. We do have the best drinks. Everything happening at

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podcasts index.org the podcast namespace and of course podcast

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index dot social I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas

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Hill Country and Alabama the man who has only five emails in his

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inbox say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and

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gentlemen Mr. Dave Jones

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Dave Jones: straight up JT Adam Curry: I saw only five emails in it but that must have

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been just the podcast index inbox right?

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Dave Jones: Oh yeah, my other seven inboxes they're all loaded

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up. No, Adam Curry: I'm a universal inbox kind of guy. I'm like give

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it all to me at one point No, really? No,

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Dave Jones: no, no, no, no, there's way too much. Now this

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is that's terrifying to even think about

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Adam Curry: but I filter I filter stuff into into other

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places. Now because

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Dave Jones: you're the horrible thing that happens when you have

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unified inbox is you end up responding from the wrong

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account. Adam Curry: Well, no, no no. Excuse me. Okay, no, I

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understand what you're saying because I you know, like pod

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info podcast index.org They get Adam mccurry.com back they don't

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get stuck Yeah, Dave Jones: don't do that. I can't do that. Yeah, I gotta

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keep that separation of concerns. Adam Curry: Do you have separate you separate email programs do

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you have used like a Gmail and there's something else really

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Dave Jones: what I need I am so horribly ADHD that I need. I

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need to have separate like distinct I will use separate

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email clients just to keep myself in check. Wow, from

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messing up. Wow, that is I mean I'll use different Brett I use

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like four different browsers I'll use edge chrome brave and

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in Firefox, just to keep things like on the same computer at the

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same time just to keep things in different like organized

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differently well, it helps me to have to it helps me not to have

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to think about it so I can be rapid response Adam Curry: well this is where our roads separate my friend.

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This is where we differ quite a bit at night okay my pitch you

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see my pitch to Bitcoin 2024

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Dave Jones: No, I did that that was that was a nice pitch. Right

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I don't think you had to pitch hard because they were really

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they're ready to get the ball in the mood no matter what.

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Adam Curry: Did you see the whole thread because it was a longer thread with a they were Yeah, they were almost begging

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me like hey man can't come to Bitcoin K coming to Miami. Like

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no man I really don't I'm not coming to Miami this year.

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Dave Jones: And nothing against Miami people I don't know if you

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call him Miamians or whatever. It's just not my talent. I can't

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I don't like that term. Adam Curry: I don't like the fact that I need to you know

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that I need to transfer flights there's no direct flight from

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anywhere in this area. So no, it's just a hard No.

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Dave Jones: The only time I've ever been we lived across the

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street from a chicken that woke me up at a restaurant at 430 in

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the morning every day which was so weird in downtown Miami so

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Adam Curry: that's funny That's very funny Dave Jones: man up so Melissa in Miracle they're gone like they

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when they went to the beach go in um I'm by myself for for the

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weekend. Hidden I'm going to be programming my fingers off and

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doing a database upgrade. Upgrade I got a buddy of mine

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gave me a smoker gave me his old smoker a couple nine a couple of

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weeks. Now you're talking and South preps and some baby back

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ribs before the show with Do you know meet church meet the church

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meet church Adam Curry: meet no I'm not familiar with meet church

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Dave Jones: yeah they make they make rubs

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Adam Curry: oh yes I do know Yeah. Oh, so you got your own

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special rub the rub you like

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Dave Jones: I got it's called this is called the Holy Gospel

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and Adam Curry: set you on fire.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. saves you from the fire. This is all smoke no

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fire that's Oh, I Adam Curry: got a nice nice nice nice yeah, so

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Dave Jones: we you know, I've prepped up some baby back ribs

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are gonna turn around a smoker. Have you seen the pellet smokers

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that had the wood pellets? Adam Curry: I have. We've actually looked at those but I'm

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not much of a smoker. I'm more like a Burnet

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Dave Jones: shore blazers.

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Adam Curry: Let me just finish up the Bitcoin pitch Usually

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what we pitch is like, hey, you know, Bitcoin 20 fits in

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Nashville this year. And I said, well, by coincidence, my partner

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in podcasting 2.0, Dave and I, we've just been talking about it

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because it's only a couple hours from his house and I can get a

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direct flight from San Antonio to Nashville. So yeah, we'd be

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happy to come and let me pitch you. Why don't we do a session

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where we have a couple of app developers? A couple of

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podcasters and a couple of musicians who are all benefiting

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from this new ecosystem killer idea did they did they get back

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to his yet because my email boxes to full

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Dave Jones: minute man is not for so let me

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Adam Curry: I am so behind you. I went I went to do Glenn Beck

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on Tuesday, so that whole day was out. Then wednesday i Oh,

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man, I had a massive adjustment to my mouth, which was kind of

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fun. Dave Jones: What do you what do you what do you mean by

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adjustment to your mouth? Well, not something my mom did to me

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when I was a kid if I Adam Curry: know so now we have now the the the posts are in

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right of eight posts in there. And we're getting close to

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starting to do the first actual teeth that you screw on to them

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which will be temporaries because now we're we're going to

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be training the gums so so you don't have like this you know

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two straight line gum you know you want to kind of flow over

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you want to look as natural as possible. So I'll have these

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temporary teeth and they'll literally screw the man with

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with a torque wrench and move them up Yeah, but wait, here's

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the cool thing so so he's alright so now he had some

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stitches to take out which is always out but they're

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apparently on these these posts they're little caps kind of like

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lug nuts he said let me know let me let me unscrew them. So he's

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he's unscrewing them with with with an Allen wrench little mini

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allen wrench and that's the weirdest feeling it's like like

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your car Dave Jones: get the air tool

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Adam Curry: no matter what it wasn't when he wasn't with the air tool. It was literally by hand and then hand the hand

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unscrews them and then he put some temporary posts in I mean

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the whole it's it didn't hurt. It was just weird. Weird to feel

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so unscrewing something into your bone because you

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Dave Jones: have your did heavy on the lift Adam Curry: upside down on the list Hey, did they get Did you

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find anything to get back to us? I don't see anything.

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Dave Jones: I can't find my folders as something is

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Adam Curry: exactly Oh, here it is. What's this Bitcoin? Bonus

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this. Dave Jones: Where are my folders? I don't like this.

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Adam Curry: Oh, here it is. Okay. Oh, we got Oh, we got something. Oh, we got something back. Adam you rock you rock.

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Not you rock, rock, rock. Love the way your mind works in the V

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four V model and prac I'm reading this. I'm reading this

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cold people. That said I'm not including our Chief of Staff,

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Brandon, General Manager, c k and b 24. PROGRAMMING LEAD. Alex

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McShane to bring together thought leaders for beat 24 We

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should plan a kickoff call to discuss the many ways we might

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think, wow, I think we're in

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Dave Jones: sweet. I mean, what are we in for? What are we going

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to do? Exactly what Yeah, but what is the what is the

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presentation going to be? Oh, no, it's

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Adam Curry: gonna be here. Hold on a second. They want to call a

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roundtable No, we're gonna do yeah, we'll do. We'll just do a

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panel. To panel. Okay. Yeah, so they love it. So here's what I

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pitched. We presented before Okay, V for V at the podcast, V

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for Wii. To get some app developers developers talk about

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their experiences and also benefit from the value splits.

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To have all focused on that. We started testing a new feature

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allows podcaster to play song from any artists that has a

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wallet and the V for V info C Wave Lake and dystopia actually

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switch the wallet during the song to the artists and their

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value splits for the duration. We already put four songs into

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the wav Lake top 40 Just doing the test and work on work on the

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pot and then I say the podcasting 2.0 Group is a quite

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a it's really quite a cool community that is open source

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and hasn't blown up even after three Dave Jones: years. That is a feed actually

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Adam Curry: show they're all in they love it we're in.

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Dave Jones: And so I think you want to do like there should be

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alive. Now Adam Curry: we'll do a demo. We'll do live demo and of course

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we're going to do a live demo. Absolutely. And then when I

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think we should make it completely crazy and we'll get

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some maybe like get Joe Martin you know because he What does

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that know the bill? Oh, this Oh, that's chunky

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Dave Jones: red cat. You're Adam Curry: the chicken so we don't know Yo the chickens. I

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gotta say, Dave Jones: yes. Now listen,

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Adam Curry: so we'll do it. We'll do a quick little preset

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demo something that won't fail. Okay, then we bring out a couple

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of devs. Right? Dave Jones: So devs devs willing to go to,

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Adam Curry: we'll figure it out. I mean, we're gonna everyone's

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getting flown in baby. Dave Jones: Yeah, on the on the on the g4 or whatever. No,

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Adam Curry: no southwest, but everyone's got flown in, of

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course. Of course, we're gonna bring in some devs and maybe

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bring in Joe Martin, and wait for it. So then we show how

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everything works. And then everyone talks about the experience. Then Joe Martin plays Live and we then we put up

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the split, split kit QR code. Yeah, of course. Of course.

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Yeah, I can do it. I'm excited. This is great. This is gonna be

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dynamite. Dave Jones: I love it. This is awesome. Yes, I'm totally down.

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This is good. This is this the way you do it. This is going to

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be on the this is going to be on the river financial stage.

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Adam Curry: Do I want on the mainstage? Baby main major bust?

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You bet mainstream? Dave Jones: What come on right out it will come on right after

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see that's Wait a second. Oh, What? What? This is great. This

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is great. Because right? This is going to be 2024 before the

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election. This is going to be right in the middle of politics.

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Oh, you're right. You're right there. So we can come on right

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after whatever presidential candidate bullcrap that they

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that they do. And just draw just I mean, like, totally soak up

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the keep getting us. Adam Curry: No, that's me. That's me. And there's something

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wrong here on my end. I'm not sure what. My teeth Yes, my

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teeth. I'm feeding but I don't know why. which for some reason,

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I'm getting feedback. Anyone picking Dave Jones: up two meters on the ionosphere? Yeah.

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Adam Curry: I wonder if I could actually broadcast or receive

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through those things. I could put an antenna in my mouth.

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Alright, anyway. Dave Jones: Big now. That could be a big conference is what I'm

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trying to say. It's gonna be Adam Curry: it's gonna be a great conference in Nashville.

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Which is cool. Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. It's June right into June. Yeah.

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Adam Curry: I just didn't know it was I think it's may just

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ended. It'll be April, April, May, May, June, whatever. Okay,

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it's good. Great. All right. So this is going to work. I love

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this. Dynamite. Dave Jones: Bill audiences built in boosts. This is

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Adam Curry: great. Yeah. And we're gonna show everybody how it works and how, more importantly, how we as a

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community, how would how the value flow by sharing the value,

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which of course is the whole promise of bull crap web three.

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Dave Jones: That disappeared? Well, of course. I mean, I

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hadn't heard the term web three in ages.

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Adam Curry: Yeah. Because bullcrap. Obviously. Yeah. I'm,

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I'm excited about this. Speaking of this is gonna work i Yes.

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Dave Jones: Light is like speaking of lightning and

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Bitcoin stuff. There's a whole I felt like we might need to have

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Roy back on because there's all of a sudden, there's a whole

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bunch of new stuff hasn't enough. Yeah. Have you noticed

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that Adam Curry: now? No. Oh, well, Ark seems. And I mean, I read

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about it, I guess. But someone post something about Ark. There

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was a, there was a post somewhere. And then it was just really long thread explaining it. And it seemed like, there

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was lightning channels, but the whole idea was lightning

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channels without inbound liquidity. But you need to have

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some trustworthy arc service providers when that's when my

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eyes roll back in my head and went okay. All right.

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Dave Jones: I don't think it's, I don't think it's a lot different than what

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Adam Curry: the one LSP does. Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. But like, I think I think basically,

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they're already going in that direction. Anyway, it I'm

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reading through the sort of announcement right now. And it's

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it's not it's not nutty. I mean, like, it's, it makes sense. But

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there's like, you know, cashyou and Fetti and enigma and Ark and

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all right. I mean, like, there's just so much and all of a sudden

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there's this like, explosion of stuff going on on on the line

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Adam Curry: boy, even alive. He has we haven't gotten a boost

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from him. Dave Jones: Let me see you in a while.

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Adam Curry: I don't know. I feel a little left out. Dave Jones: I don't see any of this from Roy. Yeah, see what I

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mean. I don't see his tail tail. 54321 So I guess. I don't know.

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I guess we heard his failings. Adam Curry: Well, I'll reach out to him and tell him we need him

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on. I have a confession to make.

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Dave Jones: This this is basically Adam Curry: it was me. I knew it. I am the pod news. Deep

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Throat. Dave Jones: About the YouTube about the YouTube Lee

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Adam Curry: Yes. So, so, so did we read that email that I got on

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the last show? From Erika from YouTube? She's Yes, yeah, we

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read that right? Yeah, yeah. And we said homos economic pull it

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up here. Dave Jones: Yeah Here it is forwarded Erica's email well

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here's Adam Curry: what happened. So she sent that hey my name is

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Erica work on my team at YouTube that helps podcast launch and

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grow on our platform. I would love to partner with you and

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your team on building out your you

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Dave Jones: check with the rest of the team Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly check with the team we recently

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launched some really incredible new partner blah blah So I

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replied and said until you ingest RSS feeds like any normal

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podcast app, we are not interested regards and and she

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came back. Hi, Adam. Hope you had a great weekend. But now

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this already. This is some AI Mojo hear because after that

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rude email for me was not did not warrant. I hope you had a

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great weekend. Yes, like she's unfazed. Yes. How you

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completely. And by the way, her name's Erica. Okay, sure. We

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hear you. And we'd like to invite you to participate in a

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private beta of RSS ingestion coming soon to YouTube studio.

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RSS ingestion will allow the audio of your podcast show to

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podcast show. Grace to be uploaded to your channel

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automatically without needing a manual upload for each episode.

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More information attach below if you're interested. I'm happy to

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discuss further details on what the beta entails details and

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what the beta entails. Let me know. Thanks, Erica. And and so

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it has a PDF attached may bring this up. Yeah.

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Dave Jones: It said Hi, Eric, and nobody else seems interested. Thanks.

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Adam Curry: And it's the YouTube RSS ingestion pilot. And it's

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last updated January 10 2023. So it's been out for a while,

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please do not share outside your organization, which I didn't do

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because you're my organization. Right podcasting. And, and so I

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immediately forwarded that to James and I said, I don't know

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if you got it from anybody else. But I figured you might want to

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see this. And then all of a sudden, it's like, it's like an

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exclusive. Like exclusive breaking news, breaking news.

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Dave Jones: And so you didn't sign the NDA. There was

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Adam Curry: no NDA. There was no no, no quit. In fact, James

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said, wow, that's really weird. They say please do not share

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outside your organization but didn't make you sign anything. Now Amanda just sent this to me. It was from January 10th. Like

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this has been out for a while. And apparently they're live

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examples are CNN is one thing CNN is chasing life, the city

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cast Pittsburgh and the daily beams. Anyway, so I've read this

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over. I've put it in the show notes because I'm sharing it

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within inside our organization.

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Dave Jones: Correct? Yes. Okay. Yes. Podcasting. 2.0

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broadcasting Adam Curry: this organization. I have some thoughts on it.

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Dave Jones: Okay, I have thoughts too. Yes. I'd Adam Curry: love to hear your thoughts first.

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Dave Jones: It pisses me off. Adam Curry: It doesn't piss me off. It reminds me of Lucy and

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the football. Dave Jones: Let me tell you specifically, what pisses me

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off. What pisses me off is that I know that hosting companies

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will jump on board and go all in with this. With with this thing,

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even though, so I mean, we have been begging for things like

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appropriate dai time adjustments. And these kinds of

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things in podcast and chapters and transcripts and all this

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kind of stuff. We've been what I saw, what I saw was it must not

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contain any ads, it must be basically a clean episode

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upload. We're gonna take it, we're not going to give you any

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pass through we're not going to give you stats, we're just going to suck this thing in and we're gonna we're gonna roll with it.

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Good luck, Sia. And you know, that there's going to be hosting

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companies are like, Yeah, okay, great. Cool. And in the

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meantime, you know, all the legitimate reasons that we have

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been trying to beg people for clean for clean episode data for

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months and months and months. As soon as YouTube comes along,

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they're like, oh, yeah, cool, we'll do it. But for podcasting,

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2.0 and the greater a new podcast open podcasting

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ecosystem, and that's what pisses me off about is because I

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know that I know that they that a lot of companies will jump in

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and play ball with this even though they said screw, you

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know, screw you guys before. Adam Curry: Oh, well. Interesting. Okay, here's my

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take. First of all, I'm making sure everybody sees the full PDF

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because it's five pages. So probably no more than you might

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have seen. Hosting hosting companies are mentioned a couple

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of times in this document. Will my ads from RSS feed feed carry

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over to YouTube, your ads will be burned into the video that's

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uploaded to YouTube and cannot be dynamically swapped out like

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other platforms. If you don't want your ads to carry over, you

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need to work with your hosting provider to either not insert

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ads when YouTube requests the audio files or to get an ad free

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RSS feed. So I'm not quite sure where this you have to have it

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ad free comes into that's as far as I can tell, just not true.

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Can I see my podcast YouTube performance on my hosting

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platform? Not automatically, the analytics for your podcast are

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stored on YouTube and are not automatically passed through to

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your hosting provider. your hosting company cannot see how

20:50

many times a podcast episode was listened to on YouTube because

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all podcast content and YouTube is hosted on YouTube. We do

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allow hosting providers to access your analytics data on

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your behalf by our analytics API. No hosting companies

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currently support this, but we're working with them to

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support this soon. Interesting. So that's the only two times

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that it's mentioned. So I'm, I'm not exactly sure why. There's

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this idea that you have to have a clean feed without ads. But

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here's here's what to me, it was this is loosing the football all

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over again. This is exactly how it went with Google Reader.

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Exactly the same way. Yeah. And on July 1 2013. Spring cleaning,

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Google said we'd launched Google Reader in 2005, in an effort to

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make it easy for people to discover and keep tabs on their

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favorite websites. While the product had a loyal following.

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Over the years usage has declined. So on July 1 2013, we

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will retire Google Reader. So this is exactly the same

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strategy. And I would never do this. Because the number one

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safeguard we have in podcasting is the decentralized nature of

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hosting companies. So if as a hosting company, you decide to

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promote this and to do this and give this to your users, I

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believe you are signing your own death warrant. Because that

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this, you are literally building your competitor right in front

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of your eyes. All that Google will need to do is say Now we're

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not going to do RSS feeds anymore. But you can upload it

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directly to us. Here you go. And they may even output an RSS feed

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for other apps doubtful but they might.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, they will. They will begin having all this

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podcast content on there. They'll get everybody used.

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Adam Curry: They might even make a podcast app they could do.

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They could do all kinds of things. Do not play with these

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eight holes. I'm sorry, do not play this game. We've seen this

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before. We've seen it. Now. I don't even believe and by the

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way for podcasters here's why you don't want to do this. Just

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go look at all the sad stories of pod of YouTubers who created

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an audience. Everything was great going gangbusters

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monetizing like crazy, or even not monetizing. And then YouTube

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decides now not today, near no or de monetize as you or de algo

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eyes as you deprioritize as you the whole game they play with

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the sad YouTubers is they make you hit the algo over and over

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again with new content. It's it's a it's a rat wheel.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. This is this is there's there's so much wrong

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with this. I mean, like I understand how so if you're if

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you're a hosting company, and you have you have your you have

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your customers to say hey, I really want to do this. I can

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understand why that you would need to play that game. If you

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had if you had enough of your of your customer bases. Like I

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really want to take advantage of this. You know, and I don't I

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don't I don't know

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Adam Curry: why don't we take a stand for once. Take a stand.

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No, no, no hosting company will do this. Just for once. This is

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literally the reason why podcasting is decentralized is

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because of the decentralized hosting companies. This is why

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it works so well. Dave Jones: The The only thing I can think of is that, you know

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we've been people have been burned so much by Google in the

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past, when Google Reader happened, everything was still

25:03

very new. And everything Google still had that. I mean, if I'm

25:09

not mistaken, on my timeline, when Google Reader came around,

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do you know evil was still the motto? Yeah. That was early

25:20

days. And so at this point, though, everybody sees the, the,

25:27

the funeral, the greatest, give me the graveyard of, of ditched

25:32

Google projects. And they seen how often they have kneecapped

25:37

everything that they've gotten involved in. And I don't, I'm

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not so sure that I think what I think here's what I get, here's

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what I feel like is gonna happen. I think there's gonna

25:48

there are going to be hosting companies that play ball with

25:53

this in order to satisfy their users. But they're going to be

25:58

extremely cautious. I don't see. I mean, Todd is already, he's

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already saying that, and I don't feel comfortable with this. I

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think there's going to be a lot of hesitation to get in bed with

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Google yet again, and have them yank the rug out from everybody

26:15

or pull the football, like you said, Adam Curry: Well, there's just enough prior prior history, and

26:20

because they're not doing and what what benefit did we all get

26:24

from Spotify? Seriously? And how great was that test? Now?

26:27

They're all we're going to be your best partner. Yes, yes,

26:32

that since everything else failed, we want to be the best

26:35

partner for you. Well, they're not. They're not the best

26:39

partner. They don't support any new features. They don't support

26:42

any anything moving forward. They only support their own

26:47

closed system. So

26:49

Dave Jones: no, you know, what was? What was a beautiful thing

26:53

this week? I had a, I forgot why I went on there. But veggies

26:57

jumped on to I think it was trying to find what episode

27:00

number we were on, because Adam Curry: because it's been so many

27:04

Dave Jones: men, I just don't even remember. But I pulled up

27:09

our show on the website. Just on podcast index.org. And in I saw

27:16

the show Comments button, Adam Curry: or you clicked it and you saw how many comments

27:20

how many how often is used. Dave Jones: It was beautiful. It was so beautiful. He had all

27:26

these Mastodon comments, that because because the protocols

27:32

were built the way they were, it exists. I know for I know that

27:38

the comments this, this beautifully treed hierarchical

27:43

comments that are underneath episode 133. I know that those

27:49

are going to be the exact same comments that show up in pod

27:53

friend and pod verse. And in every other app that supports

27:57

it, it was really a wonderful thing to see because it likes

28:01

it. So So compare that with the other, this other landscape that

28:07

we now live in, where you're going to have comments on

28:12

YouTube. And you're going to have comments in Spotify or q&a

28:16

and by content over here in Spotify, and you're gonna have

28:19

reviews on Apple podcast, you know, and you're gonna have

28:23

different comments over here in this other silo, you're in

28:28

enough Twitter gets in the game, you're gonna have comments there

28:30

on Twitter, like there's do we do we seriously want to live in

28:35

a world where there's 10, different siloed batches of

28:40

content, where all of our stuff lives and in a podcaster is

28:44

going to have to either manage that themselves and jump back

28:48

and forth between all these different platforms. Or you're

28:52

gonna have to, you know, hire, hire a guy to do it. This is

28:56

dumb. This is so dumb. Okay,

28:58

Adam Curry: I just got a I got a ping from James, you know, my

29:03

handler, my handler as the as partners Deep Throat

29:07

monetization. How should I handle dynamic ad insertion?

29:11

This is kind of irrelevant. There are two types of ad like

29:14

content that we differentiate between one regular ads,

29:18

typically created by the advertiser or read by an

29:20

announcer, and host read ads also named sponsor segments,

29:26

typically created and always read by the host of the podcast.

29:29

Oh, here we go. Regular ads are not allowed to be uploaded to

29:33

YouTube requests. We request feeds to be ad free. Well,

29:36

that's interesting because it kind of goes against what they

29:39

said earlier. Sponsored segments are allowed to be uploaded to

29:43

YouTube. Each upload episode needs to be marked on YouTube

29:47

studio to include sponsorship see more information on the paid

29:50

product placement policy. Will my ads Okay, so those ads will

29:57

be burned into the video that's uploaded. If it's if it's And in

30:01

St. Yeah, exactly.

30:05

Dave Jones: But you can't pump your dynamic your dai episode

30:09

into into YouTube. Adam Curry: No you can't. So,

30:12

Dave Jones: so YouTube says hey, we need you to upload us a clean

30:17

episode that doesn't have dai in it. And there's some there's

30:21

some hosts out there that are gonna say okay,

30:23

Adam Curry: no they're not they're not going to be hosts to

30:26

do that. No, Dave Jones: there's going to be at least a couple yeah enough

30:29

about Adam Curry: enough about Lipson no other guys are going to do

30:32

it. No, they'd be crazy. Yeah. What's What's the benefit?

30:38

You're I mean you're literally giving your store away. Okay

30:42

YouTube you go monetize and not give me anything

30:45

Dave Jones: Yeah, but they're gonna give you stats we we get

30:50

the money we get the monetization money. Yeah,

30:52

Adam Curry: we get some pretty graphs. Oh, look, I have five

30:56

listeners in Israel. Oh Dave Jones: no, this is a joke. Well, anyway, it's a joke.

31:04

Adam Curry: It is it's the RSS is not going away. RSS is not

31:08

going to be hijacked. The only thing that can be hijacked is

31:11

certainly some podcasters who will come it'll be very sad. And

31:19

getting all kinds of I guess there are going to be one or two

31:24

hosts who will do this. All right. Well, fine. I'm just

31:27

telling this is your business. Yeah, I'm getting I'm getting

31:30

now I'm getting deep throat to the Deep Throat. This is a deep,

31:34

deep throat episode. Oh, maybe that is what I need to say Deep

31:36

Throat inception. Sounds bad as a title. I don't know why

31:41

Dave Jones: it does. Yes. I mean, let me go one step

31:45

further. Sure. The you know, I don't know if you've been sort

31:50

of kind of keeping track of this phenomena in the in the

31:54

podcasting industry. But there's this leak. Let me just read this

31:58

from what is this? This is the Bloomberg lady. I forgot what

32:05

she calls this. Says Ashley Carr. Ashley Carmen is a this

32:09

is. This this paragraph stuck out to me. While these two

32:14

companies were snapped up other buyers are circling and looking

32:17

for possible investments. Chris Peterson, a former iHeartMedia

32:21

and liontree executive just announced the launch of download

32:24

without the without the first row. So it's DW en la de Grenier

32:29

download download dunlea during those Dutch is there

32:35

Adam Curry: during loon Yeah, that's it. So that is a

32:38

download.com. Dave Jones: Don't lose no doubt on about the.com but didn't lose

32:45

media. Adam Curry: Doing lewd means doing a new.com Maybe for sale?

32:50

Might be doing lewd media. Wow, this is really a great name

32:54

everybody. Dave Jones: It went from Dutch to more of like Swedish Chef

32:58

manner. Adam Curry: Okay, let's do nude.

33:02

Dave Jones: just announced the launch of duneland media, which

33:05

intends to take majority stakes in podcast companies. Meanwhile,

33:09

Pata X group, a private equity backed firm has made multiple

33:12

acquisitions the world around the world since setting out to

33:16

roll up independent podcast production shops. So

33:20

Adam Curry: I know exactly what this is. I know exactly what

33:22

this is. This is very, very simple. And I think these guys

33:25

are going to lose. Dave Jones: These companies are going these are going to be the

33:29

record labels. Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. Their hits hit seekers. What they do

33:34

is they saw the Joe Rogan money they saw the call me daddy

33:36

money. They saw you know, whatever, whatever, you know,

33:39

pod save America. Sports ring, the bell, all these different

33:44

things. And like, look, we can spend you know why how I know

33:48

this, because I tried to do it myself. I had this idea for

33:53

several years ago. And I looked at it and I and I explained that

33:58

to investors in Europe. And they were like, maybe I'm not sure

34:04

I'm like, Okay, I'm not that interested in it. But for sure.

34:08

All you need to do is you take depending on how many podcasts

34:12

you quote, unquote, buy, which you don't, they only have

34:16

investments in them. So they give people a little bit of

34:18

money. And honestly, I had this idea and I had a group of people

34:22

and then I pulled out of it. And then you just wait for one hit.

34:26

All you need is one 50 $60 million hit and your money's

34:31

back and you had a great run. Dave Jones: You're you they're not these groups are not going

34:36

to they're not going to afford the Rogan's they're gonna afford

34:41

the top 3% of podcasting. They're going to try to wrap up.

34:45

They're going to try to wrap up the next level down. Yeah,

34:47

that's exactly what Adam Curry: they want. Yeah,

34:50

Dave Jones: it's a it's a Blinka is an annuity for them.

34:55

Basically, she's just Propecia is they're trying to create a

34:57

vet perpetual money machine based on you know, content that

35:00

they don't have to spend a whole lot of money to. To produce.

35:06

Yeah, Adam Curry: so they're doing load media.com Let's see 55

35:11

posts road. Okay, Connecticut. This is always fun to do. This

35:15

is a fun little thing I used to do. Let's see 35 posts road West

35:20

Westport, Connecticut. Office for lease There you go. It's a

35:24

post office business. Now peal box yeah PO box let's see what

35:28

else is there team hub flyer, serendipity labs. Okay, we this

35:37

is nothing this is yeah, this is just a post office.

35:41

Dave Jones: Todd Todd Cochran said I'm not a fan of what

35:44

YouTube is hijacking and we will not be providing instructions or

35:46

providing it as a destination in our dashboard. Well there you

35:49

go. Adam Curry: But I think even even more so this this goes

35:52

along the line of you need to own your own.com Todd the minute

35:58

all they all they're using RSS for in this case is just as as a

36:02

free shovel. A free shovel shovel shovel your crap into

36:06

their in their manure pit. That's all that it is. It really

36:12

is. It's goodness. Dave Jones: I don't in there's also like, this is maybe off off

36:20

to the side. But YouTube is trying to is trying to get one

36:26

fun used to YouTube distasteful. In a lot of ways, I mean, like

36:32

when I go on there now, the first thing I see on the

36:36

homepage is these YouTube shorts that are trying to be Tik Tok.

36:41

And it's all a bunch of scantily clad women trying to get in. I

36:46

mean, it's a bunch of bunch of click bait. And it's just it's,

36:51

it's not, I don't know it as a it's an it's a gross

36:56

environment. In a lot. I mean, there's good contents that says

37:00

on YouTube, obviously, lots of there's lots of great things

37:03

that only exist on YouTube. I'm not gonna deny that. But I mean,

37:07

I just don't see I don't see what there's a beauty to

37:10

podcasting. There's a beauty to open source podcasting.

37:17

Adam Curry: Just podcasting, please. But I understand what you're saying. Yeah, open source open.

37:22

Dave Jones: Just podcast. There's a beauty to podcasting.

37:25

And, and I don't I don't like associating it with with that

37:31

garbage. I mean, it's if TOS with tick tock wanted to do the

37:35

same thing. If tick tock said, Oh, well, what if they did the

37:38

exact same thing? And said, Okay, we're gonna start

37:42

ingesting RSS feeds, but we're not gonna we're not gonna give

37:45

you any pass throughs or I'm gonna do anything. We're just

37:47

going to ingest your stuff and do our own systems, and we're

37:50

gonna start pushing it back out to our audience. Well, okay,

37:55

great. But I mean, do you actually want do you want your

37:59

content? Do we want this this unique, distinct content that is

38:07

podcasts being interleaved into a tick tock thread, next to

38:15

people doing the NyQuil chicken challenge? I don't grow gross.

38:20

Okay, so Adam Curry: first of all, Words matter. This is of the podcast

38:25

industrial complex is own doing by questioning what a podcast

38:31

is. This is the result. So by giving into well, yeah, podcast

38:37

on YouTube is also a podcast it just wherever you'd like the

38:40

wherever you get the show. Okay, I'm gonna say it. I love the

38:43

man. I'm so happy that he allows me on his show. The Joe Rogan

38:46

show is not a podcast. Alright, it's not a podcast. The Joe

38:51

Rogan show is not a podcast. The media landscape is changing. And

38:59

so what I hear Okay, so here's another thing. Jason Calacanis.

39:05

Twitter's gonna be the best, the best platform for podcasts. I'm

39:13

making fun of him because I can and and he can make fun of me.

39:17

But, yeah, so and then what is the first thing that's the Oh,

39:20

yeah, you should use Twitter spaces. Okay, great. But let me

39:24

tell you how the Tucker Carlson deal is going down as a podcast

39:28

on Twitter. He is going to pay Twitter not the other way

39:32

around. Make no mistake. This this is this is not going to be

39:37

the $20 million a year from Elon to Tucker Carlson know, those of

39:43

you who have figured out how to podcast and make a living out of

39:48

it, whether you're whether you're selling your own ads,

39:52

whether you have ads, whether it's value for value, whether

39:54

it's a part of your business, whether you sell books, and you

39:57

have your community. We don't he'd Rancors, which I'm now just

40:02

going to call bankers, because Because James made the joke, but

40:05

didn't complete it. So I'll just hit. So we don't need rankers of

40:09

who's on top, it does not matter. It's the business of

40:13

being number one in the ratings does not matter. This group,

40:17

this podcast, this project survives on a very small number

40:22

of participants, and an even smaller number of people who are

40:26

supporting it with monetary value. Now, the full value for

40:29

value is enormous time, talent or treasure, of course. But this

40:34

is the future of media, get it out of your head that you need

40:37

to be number one or on the front kind of the front of iTunes or

40:42

YouTube to hot algo. Get it out of your head, that is not a

40:46

longevity plan anymore. And, and you will you everyone has to pay

40:52

for their distribution. Now. If you're not paying for

40:55

distribution, you're being screwed. Seriously,

40:59

Dave Jones: explain this. Explain what you mean by paying

41:01

for distribution, because I understand I understand it, but

41:04

I don't know how to explain it.

41:07

Adam Curry: The ad base model does not work with podcast. It

41:11

just doesn't stop saying we're young medium. We're not. We're

41:16

20 or 20 years old. It's it's there is no met, you can't fake

41:21

the numbers like Nielsen's there's no agreed to system,

41:26

which is now falling apart. You're seeing that the only

41:30

reason why Fox News is still in business is because of the

41:35

carriage fees. The advertising that Tucker Carlson brought in

41:39

doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 70 million a year and

41:42

hunt maybe 100 million a year doesn't matter. It's the $1.8

41:46

billion they get from the cable companies, Fox News pays their

41:52

cost for their content. But the cable companies are paying

41:56

exorbitant amounts of money which you the customer are

42:00

paying for. To for the privilege to have Fox News on $7 of your

42:06

cable bill goes to you know what that goes to Disney ESPN. That's

42:12

just ESPN, it is Disney, of course. But ESPN. So then

42:16

everyone had this great idea all let's just let's just split it

42:19

all up. Let's just do streaming. I don't know if you notice, but

42:22

that's not a big success. It's losing money lose billions of

42:26

dollars for everybody hand over foot, they've cannibalize their

42:29

movie business, the whole thing is falling apart. And here's

42:33

little old podcasting. Which of the 4 million podcasts in the

42:36

index, a very small amount is working on a profitable monetary

42:41

basis. A lot of it is very a lot of these podcasts are very

42:45

profitable to aid for in other ways, reaching constituents,

42:52

reaching readers reaching different types of communities.

42:57

But to think that there's a broadcast model and for

43:00

everybody is just as stupid as everybody who thought they could

43:02

be Andrew Sullivan and make a million dollars a year from

43:05

their blog substack it's not a winning business, they had to go

43:11

crowdfund their next round of funding. The it's a lie, it's

43:15

all a lie, and YouTube is in huge trouble. Huge trouble.

43:21

Advertisers are now running to tic toc for a whole bunch of

43:25

reasons we've we've been over. None of this is a winning

43:29

strategy. If you if you want to have a successful podcast, or

43:33

whatever you're using it for, then own your audience, own your

43:36

distribution, pay for a hosting pay for your hosting company.

43:41

And if you're not the hosting company owns you. Anchor how

43:45

many sad stories do we hear of people? Oh, well, no anchor is

43:49

not working for me. I can't get a 301 redirect, they deleted

43:52

everything blah, blah, blah. If you don't own it, you're

43:55

screwed. And hold your own.com Yes, in de Sankar. Yes, indeed.

44:02

Do not give this stuff away. So I'm not worried about

44:06

podcasting. I'm not worried about the future of RSS at all.

44:11

I'm worried for all the sad sob so we're gonna get screwed.

44:14

We've seen this movie. We've seen it. The podcasting was born

44:19

out of frustration for the traditional broadcast model now

44:23

that is falling apart. Now they're getting desperate do not

44:26

run into their arms. Dave Jones: Everybody got mad at a cast for taking email

44:31

addresses out of feeds and trying to trying to grab their

44:36

like, solicit their customers. And the what do you think

44:41

YouTube's gonna do? I mean, this is even worse. This is way

44:45

worse. Now you're giving them now you're actually giving them

44:48

all of your this would be as if this would be as if a cast

44:55

became instead of just soliciting customers they became

44:59

a proxy be between you and your customer. And but don't worry

45:03

about it we're not we're not going to charge anything. Oh

45:06

don't don't worry about this is all free. It's great. I mean,

45:09

like they everybody gets so mad at a cast, but then they're

45:13

going to jump on board with YouTube. And it's going to end

45:16

the end the the end result is going to be way worse

45:19

Adam Curry: for the love of money is the root of all evil.

45:21

This is exactly the it's only about money because people

45:24

believe they can be the next Joe Rogan. You can't it's over. It's

45:27

done with it's not gonna happen. The CEO himself says it. Thank

45:32

you. I love it when someone accentuates my point with a

45:35

boost it it's over, it's just over, just admitted it's not

45:41

gonna happen. You know, the luck. The luck of that. We built

45:45

a business here. We're not paying ourselves anything but we

45:48

built a real business. We can see it. You can build a real

45:52

business with podcasting. Now why do I like podcasting 2.0

45:55

because people see immediate value return. And that's

46:00

something you can build on it. We've been doing this for three

46:02

years and we do other things with the money. Could we give

46:05

ourselves a little bit of cash, I guess we could, but we prefer

46:08

not to we prefer to put it into liquidity for nodes and put it

46:12

into progress and buying a new database or getting a new an

46:17

upgraded database server. Anything we can do to make this

46:19

work because this is fun. This is not a job. This is work that

46:23

we love doing. It's a community we're friends. They have all of

46:27

this is available to you. And when you start a podcast today

46:32

and you use it with podcasting 2.0 And you see Satoshis and

46:36

booster grams come in, it's invigorating. It's not like it

46:40

used to be and there's still people who start on on on a

46:44

cast. And they Oh, okay, I'm podcasting and they get some

46:48

stats and there's five five downloads and they don't know

46:51

what if it's real, or they have no feedback. They have no hand

46:55

holding no training, no hosting company that has training

47:00

materials and podcasts that tell you about the latest things and

47:04

how you can how you can have more success with your podcast

47:07

but that feedback loop is missing. This is what's so cool

47:10

about it and it's the same thing with music this is why I'm so

47:15

jacked about the time based value splits What am I hearing

47:19

from now that we have four of the top what is the song that is

47:22

in the top five on wavelength I don't like this I have nothing

47:28

against the wavelength Dave Jones: way you believe is this way yeah

47:33

Adam Curry: way you believe it says Dave Jones: demo demo version

47:37

Adam Curry: and I don't know I just it just never really struck

47:40

for me but we have Number one of course money printed Gerber

47:46

money printing money printing money printer Gerber we got Matt

47:48

Bigelow with fudge even though we played only a little bit of

47:51

his song we got high gravity Joe Martin and rusty gate girl like

47:56

me, you know, so, I mean, that's phenomenal. And what are they

48:00

all say? You know, I never hit the payout limit from from

48:06

Spotify. All I got was stupid stats. Stupid stats. Okay, so

48:12

now where they get maybe 100 bucks, right 300 300,000 SATs

48:17

100 100 bucks plus Dave Jones: well money money printer gibberish show and

48:21

524,000 sets.

48:24

Adam Curry: So what is that now? That's 200 books.

48:28

Dave Jones: Let's see. I don't see Adam Curry: any say 580 180,000 $180 Something like

48:36

that. Dave Jones: I guarantee you extends cents per 1000 says I

48:39

can't Adam Curry: calculate I think in SATs I don't I don't care about

48:42

dollars. Yeah, but it's like that. That is real love now

48:48

doesn't mean he's gonna get rich. No, those days are over.

48:50

Will you maybe be able to make a career out of it? Yeah, maybe.

48:53

Maybe. This is what's so cool about it. It gives you incentive

48:58

shows value. You play back to it you thank people it's not a one

49:02

way street. This has always been the dream of radio always. So we

49:06

play a song Dave Dave Jones: would love to play us I'd love to play a song. I

49:10

would love for you to play us I Adam Curry: would love to play a song. So this is using the value

49:15

time splits now from what I understand it's still curio

49:18

caster that has the pod friend rod, who has it. I heard Martin

49:23

by the way and outstanding pod news weekly review episode with

49:27

it was a two and a half hour show. Dave Jones: That was a lead I mean, there's like horning in on

49:32

our turf. Adam Curry: It was great that Martin had Oscar from fountain

49:38

who else was on was that it was our third

49:44

Dave Jones: Captivate Marcus was right. Yep, yeah. And that was a

49:49

good interview too. I mean, they they are really jumping on board

49:51

with 2.0 Adam Curry: For sure. Although whenever I hear someone doing

49:56

tips, I always get a little whatever for So I'm already

50:02

getting inundated now with requests to play songs. Of

50:08

course you do. Yes. And guess what I'm doing. I'm sending

50:10

everybody to wave Lake. Should I be sending him to dystopias?

50:13

Well, I'm not sure who who are we trying to help here?

50:17

Dave Jones: Well, this dystopia doesn't have the system to go in

50:22

and boost it on on this. I mean, like, you can't, it's a

50:25

different thing to cinema, buddy to WaveLight versus dystopia.

50:30

Because dystopia is a host in Wave Lake is is more of like a

50:35

platform for for value for value based music. So, I mean, I think

50:40

if you're sending them to dystopia they can be sent to

50:43

they need to go to like, our site or something.

50:46

Adam Curry: Well, I say, music side project studio. Yeah. Which

50:51

is a little, a little more that's for self hosting, really,

50:54

but it's, you know, there's stuff there. Dave explains how

50:56

to do it. I don't understand wave lake. I love those guys. We

51:00

had him on the show. They don't have a, there's no music player.

51:04

They're still not self. They're automatically submitting to the

51:08

index. I don't understand why. So is that what we're waiting

51:11

for? You know, just wait for something to come along, waiting

51:14

for a magic player to pop up? No, though we have Magic

51:20

players. Dave Jones: Well, they're not they're not automatic

51:24

submission. No, they are. But they're leaving that in the

51:29

hands of their musicians and their musicians are putting Yes,

51:32

and their music into the index when they when they want to.

51:36

Adam Curry: But I don't understand why there's no music

51:38

player. And they did their own kind of music player, which was,

51:43

I don't know Dave Jones: why they don't write their own app, or have somebody

51:46

work our guest app. Adam Curry: So to me, it doesn't matter because I think this is

51:50

the winning formula. I want podcasts to start playing music

51:55

in their podcasts and switching the value block to the to the

51:58

artist. Right now sovereign feeds is the only way to do that

52:02

that I'm aware of. I would love to have more podcast apps able

52:08

to receive it and switch the switch the wallet so yes, curio

52:13

caster pod friend. I don't know if if there any plans for

52:19

fountain and for pod verse etc. But I really only need one more

52:24

besides curio cash. And I want to wait until pod friend has its

52:27

apps out in the app store. And then I'm going to start doing a

52:31

music show. And you'll see how fast this goes. You'll see you

52:36

would have Dave Jones: to think that fountain would be the next shoe

52:39

to drop on them because that's the I mean that's Oscars Mo is V

52:44

for V I mean that's a V for V focused app so you would have to

52:47

think that that's going to be in his roadmap soon now probably.

52:52

Adam Curry: Yeah. So if you're if you want now if you want to

52:55

see part of the cool live tests that we've been doing, then you

52:58

want to switch to curio caster right now so you can see the

53:01

artwork change and everything which Bill just blows me away.

53:05

You can actually be listening, listening live and then the

53:08

minute we play the song The artwork changes the wallet

53:10

changes the artwork changes it's just mind boggling. This guy

53:14

reached out to me he's a friend of Joe Martin he said hey man,

53:17

play my music. Dave Jones: And you said done Cory Keller

53:25

Unknown: making you a pass for this loan job again. Searching

53:36

for something to pass the time as you keep chopping these nails

53:42

in my head 35 in South Dallas

54:03

you will place the funds nice so.

54:37

Ces nothing just say

55:00

To keep counting as

55:06

this old highway just can

55:16

carry keep pushing myself to be

55:25

the peace

55:44

will see you next Adam Curry: time Cory Keller wallets switching away on

56:32

podcasting 2.0 It's so hard to feel alive. Now Did anyone try

56:37

that in pod friend? Do we have any ideas that worked?

56:42

Dave Jones: Who I don't know Martin's in the chat but I would

56:45

hope Martin is live testing this

56:47

Adam Curry: yeah that's why i That's why I

56:49

Dave Jones: chose on curio caster out there those are just

56:52

switched back. Adam Curry: I know I just I literally just did it. Oh,

56:55

that's so badass. Dave Jones: Oh Chad F said he did it in pod friend.

56:59

Adam Curry: Okay, all right cool. Dave Jones: Did it did it work Chad did did it do its thing? I

57:04

mean I'm Chad says it did judge says it don't expect no less

57:07

beautiful, Adam Curry: beautiful. So

57:09

Dave Jones: So read. It really isn't too. That was a great

57:14

song. Adam Curry: I you know, it's not the typical uptempo in your face

57:18

Friday thing FUBAR Friday thing, but I liked it a lot. And you

57:21

know, what, three minutes, you know, you give me a three minute

57:23

song, I'll jam that in anywhere. You know, just think about how,

57:29

think about how cool that demo is going to be at Bitcoin 2024.

57:36

We show the artwork changing and everything. And then people will

57:40

be doing it in the audience. There'll be live boosting in the

57:43

audience. We got to have we got the booths bought up at the

57:47

booth spot and the IRC chat UPS everyone can see it. Oh, yeah,

57:51

man. It's gonna be cool. No one go get that from you to

57:59

Dave Jones: the so. So I'm confused about something. Okay.

58:05

He this was something that. Let me see if I can scroll back and

58:09

find it there. Steven V was telling Martin, about how to

58:16

about how to track something with the value splits. He says,

58:22

If you want to start messing around with live value splits,

58:24

you'll just need to set up a WebSocket listening to the

58:27

server found in the live value link? Yes. Of the podcast live

58:32

item. listening for the remote value event? Yeah. Can you? Do

58:37

you know what this is? Because this is all new to me. I don't

58:40

know what kind of value lengthy? Yeah,

58:42

Adam Curry: so in sovereign feeds, there's a little extra

58:46

thing under Live Info. And it's the I don't want to switch away

58:52

because I'm all synced. I don't know if it'll ruin my

58:55

synchronization stuff, because he has his whole interface now

58:57

for live production. So you kind of keep your your timing for the

59:01

value block split, which you can later copy into your regular

59:05

episode. And it creates this, like a streaming link. And that

59:10

streaming link is what you listen to with the app for the

59:15

change in the value in the value block and the album art. Does

59:20

that make sense? Dave Jones: Okay, so you okay, because that goes

59:23

Adam Curry: through a WebSocket. Yeah, that goes through the WebSocket. And then then the app catches that and that's the

59:29

that's basically like, the, like the shoutcast stream info.

59:35

Dave Jones: Okay, so this can Okay. This needs to be a tag

59:42

Adam Curry: that needs to be documented. Yes. Yeah.

59:44

Dave Jones: Yes. This is This is Steven, this is a Steven B

59:49

special where he throws in a new brand new,

59:53

Adam Curry: of course. That's right. Some scissors through

59:56

some new blades. Dave Jones: Yep, this is where he yeah He throws he throws a

1:00:00

new set of blades in here and nobody knows what the heck's

1:00:02

going on. Okay, this is this is grass see exactly where he's

1:00:06

going with this? What what needs to happen here, though, is it

1:00:10

would need to take this, just like so he did the same thing

1:00:13

with chat with the chat attribute where he just threw in

1:00:16

a chat URL. Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. And that became standard. In a min.

1:00:20

Dave Jones: Now we've got podcast chat, which we'll be

1:00:23

formalizing soon, which I want to talk about here in just a

1:00:27

second in the context of pure tube. But he did that with chat

1:00:32

that works. That's a shim until we can get the proper thing in

1:00:35

there. So what we'll do is we'll do the same thing, we'll just do

1:00:37

a live out live value link or will, you know, well, he hasn't

1:00:41

a name, Adam Curry: he has been named for it. Alright, I'm gonna I'm

1:00:44

just going to run with scissors here and switch away and see

1:00:47

what happens. Okay. What do you do? What do you switch into? I'm

1:00:49

switching from my production screen to my live screen. He

1:00:52

calls it the live value link.

1:00:56

Dave Jones: Yes, I'm looking at the feed. I'm looking at the

1:01:00

XML, right, and I switch Adam Curry: back, it still works. Okay, great. And so

1:01:05

Dave Jones: we will just make a tag that will allow for this to

1:01:10

happen in its own tag that way that we don't have to have more

1:01:14

attributes on the live item. And not that that's a problem. But

1:01:19

when you have something like this, we're probably going to

1:01:22

need it needs to be more expandable. The problem with

1:01:25

attributes is they're just a one and done. You get it's a key

1:01:29

value, you get it you get one value, right? And if you try to

1:01:33

stuff something else in there, you have to use delimiters. So

1:01:36

with this, we don't want to do that. So let's just make this

1:01:39

into a tag and then we can have the full extendibility of it.

1:01:43

And then he's looks like he's got a

1:01:46

Adam Curry: list. Yeah, okay, so I'm reason I'm not getting curio

1:01:49

caster boosts today. I don't know why.

1:01:52

Dave Jones: I really, I can try the hard hat

1:01:56

Adam Curry: boosted 10101 via curio caster, I don't see that

1:02:01

coming in. Also didn't see the 1111. I didn't see that coming

1:02:06

in. I wonder if this Dave Jones: trouble with Albie, if he had any trouble without me

1:02:11

lately? Adam Curry: And I don't know. I really wouldn't know if I if I'm

1:02:16

having but this is this is kind of weird. I would have expected

1:02:20

I would have expected to see that. Although, maybe I don't

1:02:24

know. I don't know. It's amazing. any of this stuff works

1:02:27

honestly. I'm always surprised. Let me see if I go to Alby. Let

1:02:32

me take a look at booster grams. What I have in there? No, I

1:02:38

still get no no, no, no, don't see it live maybe something in

1:02:42

the live. It's inevitable that inevitable that Alby is going to

1:02:47

have some issues? I mean, there's such a centralized

1:02:51

resource at this point. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's,

1:02:56

I do know that. When I boost on pod friend, I mean, pod verse.

1:03:03

Sometimes it takes a real long time for it to go.

1:03:06

Dave Jones: Okay, like here, I got API error for net network

1:03:09

error for L and I get lb.com. So that maybe they're just having

1:03:13

some kind of issue there. I hate to say I hate being that guy.

1:03:17

That's like I have been having some problems with so it's

1:03:19

nearing, almost sounds like I'm merging them. But I'm not. I'm

1:03:24

just we're all Adam Curry: having problems. And believe me, we're generally all

1:03:29

just having problems with everything. Of course, that's

1:03:31

how it goes. But it's if we can identify and help each other.

1:03:35

That makes sense. I monitor on my own node and on a get Alby

1:03:41

node with each with a 1% split. So that doesn't mean anything

1:03:44

you know, it could be it could be all kinds of stuff going wrong.

1:03:46

Dave Jones: Well, okay, so I'm also I'm in the IRC chat, and

1:03:50

I'm also in the MK Ultra chat doesn't brought that up to test

1:03:54

as well. It's just only me and James are the only two in there.

1:03:58

So it's really boring over here. But the this is, this is great

1:04:02

having that live item link. Yeah, there

1:04:05

Adam Curry: are boobers, just Buber just came through from

1:04:09

that's pod verse. Dave Jones: Okay, so still, there's still no cure to cancer.

1:04:16

The PA versus LBT, though, so that would work. I don't know.

1:04:21

We'll figure it out. The bit that let the live Adam link with

1:04:25

with live events happening during the stream. That's really

1:04:29

cool. Because yeah, that means we can hook into MK Ultra and

1:04:33

just drop those events right into the chat without having to

1:04:36

write a Adam Curry: bot or wait. So say that again. So I understand

1:04:39

that. Dave Jones: Well, I mean, then you so it's play that you know

1:04:44

that did the MK Ultra chat is playing the stream live in the

1:04:49

page? Adam Curry: Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah.

1:04:53

Dave Jones: Now we can just hook in. Oh, yeah.

1:04:56

Adam Curry: Yes. Dave Jones: In the chat. Something has changed, give some

1:05:01

links, whatever and then flip back. I mean we can we can

1:05:04

respond to the live events as Adam Curry: they come we should be able to connect your wallet

1:05:07

to anything in the chat. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. Mm hmm.

1:05:18

Dave Jones: This is good. I like I like what Stephen did I mean?

1:05:20

Yeah, this is good. Adam Curry: Yeah, I think there's definitely something

1:05:23

going on somewhere because I do not have any. Okay, I got a

1:05:28

curio caster from tone wrecker an hour ago. But, and it's

1:05:34

possible that, you know, anything's possible. I don't

1:05:36

know. We'll all figure it out. This is what I love about what

1:05:40

we do here. We run with scissors, we get cut up, we get

1:05:44

scraped, we fall down. We dust each other off and we keep

1:05:48

going. That's exactly how it should be. I did want to mention

1:05:52

that being the triage first line of defense for info at podcast

1:05:58

index.org I want glyph and CSB to know what I done. I don't

1:06:04

know if you caught this. Okay. We got I got an email from Kate

1:06:08

nibs, senior writer from Wired. And then Kate nibs is like, hey,

1:06:15

how many podcasts out there but artificial intelligence YT que

1:06:18

tal de, you know, typical aihole journalist from Wired, you know,

1:06:23

I say, you know, hey, we're donation based thing here. But,

1:06:26

you know, we'll take a look. I did a search for artificial

1:06:29

intelligence. And you know what, you could have done a whole and

1:06:32

and just look at all of these answers. But I said, AI dot

1:06:36

cooking seems to be a fan favorite. Dave Jones: I didn't

1:06:42

Adam Curry: indicate came back on. What does that mean?

1:06:47

Dave Jones: I didn't see that. I didn't see that response. Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm like, Yeah, you know, what is going on

1:06:52

with my dog? Dave Jones: I was much more diplomatic. I said. Looks like

1:06:58

there's about 1627 Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, you I didn't even I didn't see you

1:07:03

answer that. Dave Jones: What I did was I made note of carbon. I just got

1:07:07

to check the dog Adam Curry: for a second day for some, something's wrong. Hold

1:07:10

on. Dave Jones: Okay. All right. Yeah, the did a search only all

1:07:16

I knew how to do was like, artificial. I just searched for

1:07:20

the words artificial intelligence. I mean, because if

1:07:22

you're searching for a I mean, that's even even if you do like

1:07:27

regular expression and did like, let's just say comeback.

1:07:30

Backslash Bai, backslash B or something like that isolate that

1:07:35

you're still just gonna come back with so much garbage. So I

1:07:37

figured only so I looked at titles and descriptions for

1:07:40

artificial intelligence. And it found like six delivers 1600

1:07:46

Well, all I Adam Curry: was hoping is that they'd get some special

1:07:49

attention for give some special attention to AI dot cooking. I

1:07:52

just thought that was funny to say, oh, no, this is what

1:07:54

everyone's talking about. Everyone's talking about. Snoop

1:07:58

Dogg literally wanted to come in and be on the show. Oh, sweet.

1:08:02

Yeah, Phoebe crazy done. One other thing I want to mention,

1:08:05

then, you know, we got lots of other things to talk about.

1:08:09

Regarding this, you know, this value time split, ie, playing

1:08:15

music on podcast and switching the wallet. The idea is here is

1:08:21

that we are circumventing these very old fashion institutions

1:08:26

such as ASCAP BMI, and just routing money directly for the

1:08:32

performance for someone received receiving this beautiful music

1:08:37

into their ears, with streaming SATs directly from the people

1:08:40

who are benefiting from the music. And what's so cool about

1:08:45

this is there's such a good example in the Netherlands where

1:08:48

ASCAP BMI, there's called Buma, stamina, Bo, Ma, slash S, T, M

1:08:54

Ra. And for whatever reason, they take all this money in, you

1:09:02

know, from performances, so clubs, restaurants, you know,

1:09:07

radio stations, online radio stations, and then they have

1:09:10

some magical way of shelling that back out to everybody in

1:09:14

the appropriate amounts. But what they also do is they, they

1:09:22

invest that money in the meantime, and they came out on

1:09:25

the 22nd of may and said, Well, you know, our investments didn't

1:09:29

do so. Well. We'd lost 27 million euros.

1:09:33

Dave Jones: Stop. Wait, yeah, I need to I need exactly. I need

1:09:39

to understand what you just said. So what Okay, let me recap

1:09:43

if you could permit me Yes, please. Let me recreate what I

1:09:47

think you just said in a word picture. So you're saying that

1:09:53

all of the royalty pay all of the money that they got in there

1:09:57

was then going there was destined to go to Artists, it

1:10:02

was held in whatever stock magical stocks magical escrow in

1:10:07

the US. And so then they took that money and before they paid

1:10:10

out, or before they were required by law to pay out

1:10:16

whatever this interim period was between the time they got the

1:10:18

money and the time that they gave the money out to the artists who belong to the they use this, this arbitrage time in

1:10:27

order to invest to invest this money and get a profit, correct?

1:10:31

Interval. Correct. But oh, they lost money. So let me let me let

1:10:38

me go ahead and guess what the outcome was. They still paid all

1:10:42

the money to the to the artists that they were supposed to get,

1:10:45

and they themselves took a hit. Adam Curry: I don't think that's what happened day.

1:10:51

Dave Jones: Stein. This is not what happened. Yeah. Well,

1:10:53

Adam Curry: there's obviously a lot of members of said

1:10:56

organizations who are saying, Excuse me, why are we investing

1:11:00

anything? Why don't you just give us our money? Right? Yes,

1:11:05

so lawsuits abound. This is, but that's, I'm pretty sure I don't

1:11:10

let's find out. We can consult the book of knowledge. ASCAP,

1:11:13

BMI, invest when we see investments, I wonder if they if

1:11:19

they do the same thing? I don't see anything off the bat. But I'll I'll bet you 100

1:11:30

Satoshis they do the same thing.

1:11:35

Dave Jones: Oh, if we're gonna have money seeking, if you're

1:11:37

gonna have money sitting in an account for six months or more,

1:11:42

of course, some bean counter somewhere is gonna say, Hey, I

1:11:44

got an idea. This is this will be great.

1:11:49

Adam Curry: Does this article be am I changing to for printing

1:11:55

this? These are supposed to be nonprofit? Changing? Oh, yeah.

1:12:01

for profit business model. This is from 2022. We realized that

1:12:09

we needed to make certain changes to the organization or

1:12:11

to be even more competitive in the future. Okay, well, guess

1:12:16

what, you're gonna get competitive out by us. This is

1:12:20

so the way to go. I mean, it's, it's interesting. My friends

1:12:24

have a band called Mercy Me. And they had a really big hit about

1:12:29

20 years ago, but they've consistently had platinum

1:12:32

albums. And so I'm telling you about telling him about this is

1:12:37

not in a group text message. I'm telling him about this, about

1:12:39

the system we built. He said, Wow, this is really cool. Did

1:12:42

you work with management and raw and performing rights

1:12:45

organizations? I said, bro, no. See? Yeah, it goes directly from

1:12:52

the listener. to the, to the band to the artists to the

1:12:55

writer, the composer. They're blown away. They're having band

1:12:59

meetings right now. Like how do we get in on this? Or at least

1:13:02

do one song they might do one song that they just put out, put

1:13:07

out value for value. Dave Jones: Have they ever won a Dove Award?

1:13:12

Adam Curry: A dove? What's a Dove Award?

1:13:16

Dave Jones: That's the Christian music version of the country. Oh, I'm

1:13:18

Adam Curry: sure that well right now they're they're now they're

1:13:20

at the K love that the K love event in Nashville which is

1:13:23

huge. What is Kayla was a radio station. And they have they have

1:13:28

a once a year. That's like they have five concerts going at the

1:13:32

same time and vicious you know, it's mayhem.

1:13:36

Dave Jones: It was Did your pitch to them say go give me a

1:13:40

song this royalty free or this rights free and I will and we

1:13:44

will play it on podcast and 2.0 and you'll get 300,000 sets.

1:13:48

Adam Curry: That's exactly my pitch. That's exactly what you

1:13:50

could get $100 I see I sent him a link I said you see this money

1:13:54

printer go burn you could be there Dave Jones: What the hell is this?

1:14:02

Adam Curry: Now they're into it, man. They're into stuff like

1:14:05

this. They're totally into it. They love it. Yeah, we'll see.

1:14:08

But you know I've got all kinds of people excited about this. We

1:14:11

just need we just need a couple more apps. That's all Sam wave

1:14:15

Lake. Will not be Sam from wave Lake.

1:14:19

Dave Jones: What do you mean Sam? Wave lake. Adam Curry: I got it. We just got a boost from Sam waitlist.

1:14:23

Yeah, Dave Jones: it has to be I mean, with a name like that. It's got

1:14:26

to be sent from wavelength 50,000. Adam Curry: saps from Sam wave Lake says gotta love the music

1:14:30

bass. Thank you, Sam. Fantastic. All right. Now we got to talk

1:14:37

about lots of other things. Oh, man, here's something I love and

1:14:42

this is this was it was really nice to have that long. Pod

1:14:47

news. We can review episode. So two things one, I love I'm not

1:14:54

sure how they do it. But the fountain transcripts at some

1:14:57

kind of sorcery way You were you request a transcript and it

1:15:02

shows up in 30 seconds. I need to know what's doing this. I do

1:15:06

not understand who's doing it. How does that happen in 30

1:15:09

seconds when I, when I literally pay a company, I think $30 a

1:15:13

month to wait hours for a transcript?

1:15:17

Dave Jones: What I don't know about this? Okay, so news to me.

1:15:21

Adam Curry: So, fountain, and Martin is considering doing the

1:15:25

same thing. So I just want to know what the back end is. I

1:15:28

think it's a good idea. Now in Fountain if you if you want a

1:15:33

transcript, and if the podcast you're listening to has a

1:15:35

transcript, you get the transcript. If it doesn't have a

1:15:38

transcript, you can pay. I think it was 3000 SATs to get a

1:15:43

transcript very fair deal, or is this very fair? Yes. Or if

1:15:48

you're a premium operator, which I am, you get it built into your

1:15:54

premium into your premium thing. And yeah, so but I love seeing

1:16:00

Tina, because she got the upgrade. And you know that she

1:16:03

would blow first you on? What happened? Where's all my stuff?

1:16:07

You know, this always happens, right was an upgrade, you

1:16:09

upgrade the app? And then where's Moses? I guess it takes

1:16:12

a second for the library to come in. Boom, she's like, Oh,

1:16:15

everything's here. And I said, I said, you know, you should use

1:16:19

this transcript on your Megyn Kelly podcast, which she she

1:16:23

likes Megyn. Kelly. She says, why? I said, Well, you're always

1:16:27

telling me about the stuff that was on Megyn. Kelly, and then

1:16:30

you're having trouble locating it. Whereas if you get a

1:16:33

transcript, you can search for a word, and then it goes right to

1:16:36

that part in the in the podcast. And well, I incorrectly said and

1:16:41

then you can, you can clip it and send the clip to your

1:16:44

friends from it. That doesn't quite work the way as expected

1:16:47

in in Fountain. Yep. But so she was not a premium user. And she

1:16:53

got the 3000 Sapt request. And and she said well, 3000 SATs.

1:17:00

Alright, well, this is literally, this is literally not

1:17:03

even a buck. Come on. Let's stop with me now just do this. But

1:17:08

then, but actually, she upgraded to a premium right on the spot,

1:17:11

which was very handy through through Apple, because she has

1:17:14

an iPhone, you just put your thumb on the sensor, boom, Apple

1:17:17

pay whatever it worked. She loves it now. Now, it would be

1:17:22

even better if you could indeed easily clip directly from that

1:17:25

spot. Maybe we weren't doing it right. It wasn't apparent. But

1:17:29

the idea of paying for a transcript that you can then

1:17:31

use, I thought was genius. And

1:17:35

Dave Jones: just did it while you were talking. And it. It

1:17:39

took like 15 seconds to give an entire transcript of this

1:17:41

episode with Scott Horton show, which is like an hour long.

1:17:45

Adam Curry: How does that work? What Mojo is this?

1:17:48

Dave Jones: I don't know. Adam Curry: But I liked the concept. Now the next thing is

1:17:54

how do we turn that in? Oh, wow. Oh, Amber Alert. Amber, Alert,

1:17:58

alert. Amber Alert. How do we turn that into an even bigger

1:18:03

benefit for everybody? I'm not sure. I mean, maybe I don't

1:18:07

know. I'd love to buy them. I'll pay $1 A transcript every single

1:18:14

day. Especially if it's done in 15 to 30 seconds. That was

1:18:18

totally insane. Dave Jones: I don't understand how this can be so fast.

1:18:23

Adam Curry: It mean, the only thing I can think is they're already doing it in the background or something. I mean,

1:18:28

it's I don't get it.

1:18:31

Dave Jones: Do you use? Do you think that they're alive

1:18:37

allowed? Do you think that they're doing it once? And then

1:18:42

they've got it cash? Possibly possibly, then it still would

1:18:47

take more it still didn't, then it would have taken less than 15

1:18:50

seconds. Adam Curry: Anyway, I love the idea of paying for. I love the

1:18:54

idea of paying for features like that. And as a podcaster. If

1:18:59

someone is kind enough to pay for that. Can I then give it to

1:19:05

everybody else and split the difference?

1:19:09

Dave Jones: Yes, that's what Nathan gee, that's what Nathan

1:19:11

gathright was saying in the text is that in the chat was like,

1:19:15

Could this be posted back? Because what Okay, so I mean,

1:19:19

there's a but I've got a bunch of stuff on the to do list.

1:19:22

Adam Curry: I mean, I understand if you want. If you want

1:19:25

multiple people to buy the Megyn Kelly transcript, I understand

1:19:28

the business model. I'm not going to fight you on it. But it

1:19:31

would be kind of cool. If some it let's say 10 People buy it,

1:19:34

then then you make it available handed back somehow. Just that

1:19:39

would be cool. That would be cool. Well, one

1:19:41

Dave Jones: of the things that he was wanting for steno is this

1:19:44

way to post the post back and I don't want to use the word

1:19:49

Adam Curry: Nathan. Nathan G is saying when one person pays for

1:19:52

it, everyone else and fountain gets it. Dave Jones: Really Is that for real is that?

1:19:57

Adam Curry: I don't know. Well, okay, hold on. What did you just

1:20:00

buy the transcript of? Dave Jones: I just did well, I'm a premium fountain. So I already

1:20:06

got it so Adam Curry: bright, but I'm premium too. So it should be

1:20:09

there. Okay, so Dave Jones: I did the Scott Horton show, from 518 23. Ted

1:20:18

Snyder on the dangerous trajectory of the war in Ukraine. From May 22.

1:20:24

Adam Curry: podcast, I'm gonna get Scott Horton show. And I

1:20:30

hate Dave Jones: from at att, Adam Curry: I gotta make a change right here. And

1:20:36

transcript already available. Dave Jones: Damn. Wow. So that's it. So if one for whatever,

1:20:43

whatever it gets in, Adam Curry: I mean, I would even I would, man. Okay, well, how

1:20:49

come I wasn't in this meeting? I want to be in this meeting with

1:20:52

this cool stuff happens. Dave Jones: You know why you weren't in the meeting? Because

1:20:56

you're not an advisor. Adam Curry: I'm not a paid advisor. I'm not any kind of

1:21:01

advisor. Dave Jones: So you so here's what here's what Nathan wanted

1:21:06

for steno he wanted. He said, Okay, well, if there's a

1:21:10

transcript, if, if there's a podcaster, who has transcripts

1:21:15

for their show, then, but their host doesn't support the

1:21:23

transcript tag. Could they put the trend a link to the

1:21:28

transcripts somewhere else like in the show notes? And then once

1:21:34

an app registers it, can they link back? Can they say, an app

1:21:39

that's, let's just say got good standing, like steno or pod

1:21:43

friend or something like that? Well, here's, here's okay. Then

1:21:46

give that back to the index and the index, you know, grab it and

1:21:50

say, Okay, here's here's a transcript for this for this

1:21:52

show. Adam Curry: Well, I what I wouldn't want is I wouldn't

1:21:55

want, you know, one app to be supporting everybody else. And

1:21:59

everybody else just kind of getting a free ride. I mean,

1:22:02

there's all kinds of you know what, it's not even up for us to

1:22:04

decide. I need to hear from, from Martin and from Oscar and

1:22:09

these guys need to explain what they're doing and what their ideas what their thoughts are. And had, does this have anything

1:22:14

to do with those guys that we talked to? Dave Jones: The music match?

1:22:19

Adam Curry: Yeah, musics match? Because I didn't hear any of

1:22:22

this stuff? I don't think so. No, because they had a whole

1:22:25

different idea. They wanted to come from them. I mean, maybe

1:22:28

this is coming. I don't know where it's coming from. It's magic.

1:22:31

Dave Jones: Well, I need to, I mean, I'm fine with building

1:22:34

this. I mean, if there's a if there is a so the thing here

1:22:39

would be the podcaster themselves, makes this thing

1:22:43

available. Okay, so let me walk you through this. The podcaster

1:22:49

that, let's say this podcaster is on Anchor, but they do want

1:22:53

to provide transcripts, anchor doesn't support transcripts. So

1:22:57

they put some sort of structured link into their show notes with

1:23:01

an A with a transcript tag that links out to otter or whatever

1:23:08

that is, so that you are that that podcaster, it's in their

1:23:10

feed, so we know that it's them that did it. And so we can get

1:23:16

that the app, I'm just going to use dyno as an example. This

1:23:22

dyno app can get it that URL, and then post it post it back.

1:23:30

Or if we had it even really, even if we had it structured in

1:23:33

a certain way the the index could extract it out of shadows

1:23:36

for I Adam Curry: don't know, man, I mean, there's that shimmy all

1:23:39

over the place. Dave Jones: But it's not so it's not, it's not super shimmy.

1:23:44

Adam Curry: Right? Well, then what then why don't we actually, uh, why don't we accept all tags in the show notes, we might as

1:23:50

well then, which kind Dave Jones: of it is that this is not for this is for this

1:23:55

would be for podcasters that want to play ball. But for some

1:24:02

reason, I just I'd rather than Adam Curry: go I'd rather they go to a host that supports it to

1:24:07

be honest. They put the work in, they've put the energy in, they

1:24:11

put the time and they put the money in. If you're on by the

1:24:14

way, if you're an anchor, from what I understand, you're not

1:24:18

even gonna get automatically accepted to the index anymore,

1:24:21

which I think is not a bad thing, which is not a bad thing.

1:24:25

Dave Jones: That's a topic we need to discuss. Let's discuss

1:24:29

shall we? So that the problem here is that one out of 10

1:24:35

anchor podcast is is anything close to being what we would

1:24:39

consider a podcast. So if we define I don't want to this is

1:24:47

not when I say what is a podcast, I'm not talking about

1:24:50

RSS. I'm saying if you think about if you think about what is

1:24:58

a what is a A legitimate podcast, in the sense of when

1:25:05

you go looking for a podcast to listen to, what would any

1:25:10

rational human being discern would be in that category. So it

1:25:17

is, if there's a, let's just say that there's this circle with a

1:25:22

whole bunch of, of qualities in it that encompass what a podcast

1:25:27

would be. And then all these 5 million items coming out of

1:25:36

anchor, how many of those qualify to be in that circle? So

1:25:43

if if it's a, you know, we've talked about this many times, if

1:25:48

it's a six minute ramble from somebody, you know, from

1:25:55

somebody talking about something that happened to them at the

1:26:01

grocery store, four years ago, and that's, that's, that's a

1:26:06

podcast, on Anchor, that's not a podcast. I mean, nobody cares.

1:26:12

Nobody is more than just nobody cares. It's nobody in the

1:26:17

history from now until the end of time. No human being will

1:26:23

ever listen to that piece of audio content. I mean, like, I

1:26:28

don't know, Adam Curry: I don't know, very, very poor example. I would I

1:26:32

understand what you're saying. But let's just say it's the I

1:26:35

got the AP test, test, test, podcast test. That's basically

1:26:39

what you're talking about. Dave Jones: But it is what I'm talking about. But I guess when

1:26:45

I'm trying, I was trying to be a little more flexible than that.

1:26:47

Because there are. That's probably that's a certain small

1:26:54

percentage of them. But we got Adam Curry: to be really careful.

1:26:57

Dave Jones: I mean, I know, I know. Adam Curry: Because you get into what you think is not a podcast,

1:27:03

or no one will listen to. I mean, what if I decide to upload

1:27:07

a speech I did 15 years ago? And you say, well, that's not a

1:27:10

podcast. I mean, I don't think that's fair. I understand what

1:27:16

you want. Because one out of 10 is just a test. It's not it's

1:27:24

nothing and nothing follows up, right. Let's be honest, you want

1:27:29

to punish Spotify, I'm with you on that. I hate those guys.

1:27:33

Dave Jones: That is not true. Okay, let me try to give me try

1:27:38

to expand this example a little bit. Let's say let's do a

1:27:43

thought experiment here and say that. Okay, every iPhone has a

1:27:48

voice recorder app on it. That is easy. You can you can record

1:27:54

things at the touch of a button. Let's say that tomorrow, Apple

1:28:03

announced that at any that in any moment, you could when you

1:28:10

use the voice recorder app, you could also tap a button right

1:28:13

there in the user interface and create a podcast feed for that.

1:28:18

Instantly, you would have hundreds of millions of podcasts

1:28:25

maybe. And what I'm saying is if the only criteria that we use to

1:28:34

say that this is a this is a podcast, is that it is audio

1:28:39

inside of an RSS feed that is not sustainable for the for any

1:28:47

sort of index. Because we live, nobody can handle aggregating

1:28:56

100 million podcasts.

1:28:59

Adam Curry: Okay, well, now you're mixing up a whole bunch

1:29:03

of things. A podcast doesn't have to be audio, it can be

1:29:06

video, it can be all kinds of different things. I like the

1:29:09

idea of and first of all, I don't think we have a problem

1:29:12

with an overload of 100 million Dave Jones: anchors, Paleo thought experiments, purely

1:29:17

exotics. Adam Curry: I'm thinking too and I'm thinking that's not

1:29:20

happening. When I understand you're, you're frustrated, but

1:29:25

the frustration is with is with the cleanup of the database of

1:29:30

garbage of junk. But what is you know, one man's junk is another

1:29:35

man's beauty. So we just have to be very very careful with making

1:29:38

judgment calls. If a if I had on my graphene OS a way to make a

1:29:42

podcast out of a voice recorder. I might actually make a podcast

1:29:48

of my voice recordings. Now, just because you don't consider

1:29:52

that to be a show. Doesn't mean that it's invalid.

1:29:58

Dave Jones: No, no. You You that's that's where we're not

1:30:01

tracking together. What I'm not saying that voice recordings off

1:30:06

the iPhone are all invalid as podcasts. What I'm saying is,

1:30:11

the signal to noise ratio is going to be so high. Sure, it's

1:30:16

no longer it's no longer sufficient to just say if it's

1:30:21

audio in an RSS feed, it is a podcast and it needs to be

1:30:24

indexed. So like, just because the RSS feed exists, doesn't,

1:30:31

let's say, if, if we don't in just because we don't index, it

1:30:37

doesn't mean that it got deleted. But what it can still

1:30:41

exist, it still exists on the internet.

1:30:45

Adam Curry: Yes. Understood. Okay, so not your mate. Okay,

1:30:48

you're making calls about what should be in the podcast index?

1:30:52

What problem are you trying to solve at this moment? Or is this

1:30:56

a future thing? If if Apple Apple would ever do that? Or is

1:31:01

this? Is there a specific problem you can point to? Right

1:31:06

now that you want to solve?

1:31:11

Dave Jones: Yeah, that's a good, that's a good way to ask. That's

1:31:14

a good way to get me to clarify what I'm thinking thank you

1:31:16

that. Okay, so let's call this the anchor, the anchor problem,

1:31:22

because the problem, like I said, though, like I started off

1:31:26

that the problem with anchor feeds is that it's a 10 to one

1:31:32

ratio of feeds that, and I'm gonna say this, again, because

1:31:37

this is the only way I know how to describe it is a 10 to one

1:31:41

ratio, there's 10 feeds for every one feed that that will

1:31:46

have some sort of audience, meaning people looking for it,

1:31:52

that would then need to be indexed. There's another 10

1:31:55

feeds coming out of anchor that are dead. That is something

1:32:01

nobody will ever listen to in the history of it from now to

1:32:05

eternity go ha, Adam Curry: ha, that's a big call you're making, because and

1:32:12

what from? What I recall, is we had a set of parameters which

1:32:18

are published, this is what we're going to call out of the

1:32:23

index. And it was has to have X X number of items of X number of

1:32:29

something. I'm sure you have it codified somewhere. And that

1:32:33

that gets called out of the index, what I hear you saying is

1:32:36

you don't want to even have it come in in the first place.

1:32:42

Dave Jones: Maybe that's what I'm trying to talk out. That's

1:32:46

why we're having this conversation, because I'm not sure. So you have John John Spurlock's sort of idea is and

1:32:53

this is you laid out his thinking as well, where he says,

1:32:56

Okay, well just have your criteria, ingest everything,

1:33:01

then call out the stuff that doesn't meet the criteria over

1:33:04

time, which is what I thought we were doing with anchor that is

1:33:07

exact Yeah. And that's, that's how we've been handling it. But

1:33:09

here's what here's the reason that I'm bringing this up. I get

1:33:14

the weekly stats dump every week. In it show one of the

1:33:17

things that when the database gets dumped out for public

1:33:21

download one of the things it does is it goes through and

1:33:26

tallies up all the podcasts the numbers that go along with each

1:33:30

hosting company and I put a lot of work into making that number

1:33:35

accurate. So I get a report on every Saturday night this that

1:33:39

shows each host and how many podcasts they have in the index

1:33:45

anchor but since we started doing the purging based on

1:33:50

criteria and that is at least you got to have at least three

1:33:54

episodes and he had to have at least one episode greater than

1:33:58

five minutes so that it's pretty pretty loose or or you have to

1:34:05

have an iTunes ID you have to have submitted so if if one of

1:34:08

those if none of those three criteria are met and you are a

1:34:12

free podcast host meaning anchor Spreaker other books you get

1:34:18

purged so since we implemented that anchor has not the number

1:34:26

of active anchor fees the index has not gone above 1.7 million

1:34:30

okay that's good it's been almost virtually stuck at that

1:34:33

number since which tail end which end but they claim

1:34:39

Adam Curry: they Ah Here we guys. Ah, here we go. Okay,

1:34:42

okay. Let's stop there for Dave Jones: a second. That tells me that three point something

1:34:47

million of those podcasts in anchor don't meet that criteria.

1:34:51

Adam Curry: Got it. Stop. Okay. There's no auto ingest system

1:34:56

from anchor Correct.

1:35:00

Dave Jones: Four part test index. Yeah. Adam Curry: So these are either submitted by people they've

1:35:07

manually submitted, or it's been submitted through either Swedish

1:35:12

trickler or some other mechanism. There's a couple of

1:35:15

different ways we get stuff. So where, where are the anchor

1:35:17

feeds coming from? Dave Jones: They're coming, that's the sweetest trickler. In

1:35:24

this way, Strickler submits anchor feeds based on that the

1:35:27

known algorithm for how anchor, so does its URLs. So it's

1:35:31

basically an auto ingestion. Adam Curry: Maybe that's what we should stop. Just stop auto

1:35:36

ingestion of anchor feeds, if you want to be if you want to be

1:35:39

in the index, you can go to podcast index.org and click on

1:35:42

Add. Dave Jones: That's, that's what I was wondering if we should do.

1:35:48

Yes, that's what I was trying to figure out. Adam Curry: Okay, well, how about this Swedish trickler.

1:35:53

Now, I have no problem with the Swedish tricolor making his own

1:35:56

decisions, what he feels should be is is appropriate for the

1:35:59

index. But if he's submitting a bunch of junk, which and I don't

1:36:04

mean that in a bad way, I mean, he's just got scripts go on, and

1:36:07

he's doing his thing, which is great. But maybe he should

1:36:10

consider not polluting the index, because this stuff just

1:36:13

gets taken to that's just a waste of cycle. We just need to

1:36:16

sync up with him. And, and I'm hearing a little bit of a of

1:36:21

something else, which I understand. You're thinking,

1:36:24

look at these dickheads claiming they got 5 million podcast, but

1:36:28

they're lying is bullcrap. It's just it's, it's, it's dirt,

1:36:32

it's, it's muck, it's mud. So you are in a way kind of mad

1:36:37

about I'm mad about that, too. But I don't want us to become

1:36:41

some kind of gatekeeper based upon some criteria that, you

1:36:45

know, well, just because it's something no one we think no one

1:36:50

will ever listen to. It's not valid. That just puts us in a

1:36:54

weird position. Dave Jones: Yeah. Now still, yeah. I feel you on that. And I

1:37:00

understand that I'm getting into icky territory here. And, you

1:37:04

know, people are yelling at, you know, yelling in the chat room

1:37:06

about about censorship and not a good fit.

1:37:10

Adam Curry: But we're just, we're just talking here. People

1:37:13

were not simmer down. Donna Summer in the chat room. This

1:37:18

this, this is the beauty of this project is we're just talking

1:37:21

through something here. We're not, we're not trying to do

1:37:24

anything. Dave Jones: And I'm, I'm totally sensitive to that idea that this

1:37:29

is these this is our censorship starts. Now, I fully understand

1:37:33

that. But there is I guess, they're realistic limits. If we

1:37:39

had a sugar daddy, that dropped, you know, the drop $10 million

1:37:43

on this, and we didn't have to worry about money anymore. May

1:37:46

not fire up under fire up sorcerers who would be going at

1:37:50

this thing hard. And I wouldn't I would never care about how

1:37:52

many feeds are in there, of course, but we have real, real

1:37:55

realistic constraints. And so we're really having

1:37:58

Adam Curry: Okay, I'm sorry, what we're really talking about

1:38:01

submission. So the issue here is, and I'm just telling you

1:38:08

what I feel okay, because you're my brother here. We have your I

1:38:13

heard the Spotify CEO in his little studio there with his

1:38:17

shield boys. I watched the whole interview. Well, we have 5

1:38:21

million podcasts he and you know, so we have 4 million, but

1:38:27

they're very well curated. And when I say curated, that means

1:38:30

you know, we have published criteria, and all the junk that

1:38:33

is literally Spotify junk. That's their problem. Now, I

1:38:40

can't speak for the other free podcast hosts, if it's all junk,

1:38:46

what comes out of them as well. But I think we need to make

1:38:50

clear that we do not automatically ingest from free

1:38:55

podcast host because there's a 10 to one ratio of serious

1:38:59

stuff. If you're serious, here's an easy way for you to submit it

1:39:03

into the index. And people ask us all the time to submit this.

1:39:07

And sometimes it didn't even search to see if they're in

1:39:10

there. But and there's and you can add your podcast yourself by

1:39:15

going to podcast index.org. And I think it's more of a policy is

1:39:19

like, Hey, do we see something from anchor? It's not an

1:39:22

automatic ingest, you need to come in and do it yourself. And

1:39:25

so we may have a lower count, we may not have everything. But I

1:39:32

would say we could even look if if if someone's on pod friend,

1:39:38

and they're searching for a podcast and it doesn't show up.

1:39:42

I mean, that to me is the signal, right? That's a signal

1:39:45

that says, oh, we should have this. Why don't we have this?

1:39:49

You know, there's maybe something we can do working with

1:39:51

the apps. I mean, because that's the only use case I can see

1:39:54

where it's a problem that we didn't ingest something because

1:39:59

we Uh, because we just didn't want it and thought, you know,

1:40:02

we said this is no good, but someone wanted it something that

1:40:05

has some signal has to go off and that I don't think it's just

1:40:08

us. I think it's a collaborative effort, that we identify things

1:40:12

that are not in the index. And, and we make sure that, you know,

1:40:15

that that gets flagged and gets taken care of immediately, if

1:40:18

not automatically, if possible. Dave Jones: Yeah. I don't want to do anything right now, I want

1:40:25

to let this bake. And I want to let people have an opinion, you

1:40:28

know, form opinions on it and continue to talk about it a

1:40:31

little bit. I don't see any reason to make any sort of

1:40:33

changes right now. Because we're gonna have to do this database

1:40:35

upgrade anyway. Yeah. And that's, that's a no brainer. But

1:40:39

we're eliminating going Adam Curry: back to what you just said, if if we had a we had

1:40:47

a Daddy Warbucks uncle, who said, you know, what, just suck

1:40:52

it all in suck in all that 5 million pieces of junk?

1:40:57

Dave Jones: Oh, if we had that, that would be super creepy. You

1:41:03

Adam Curry: know, I mean, would you be able to would you mean,

1:41:06

would that be satisfactory to you? Because we would have that

1:41:10

we would be able to ingest all the junk, because we'd have the

1:41:13

money to have the servers? Don't you still run into just a

1:41:16

general junk problem? Whether you whether you have the servers

1:41:19

to handle it or not? Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, it's everything

1:41:25

becomes more difficult. When you have the higher the volume, the

1:41:29

volume goes up, everything gets everything gets slower,

1:41:32

Adam Curry: what I prefer, so I don't think Spotify or anchor

1:41:38

auto submit to Apple anymore, does it? I don't think that I

1:41:41

think they I think Apple turned that off. I'm not sure. But I

1:41:45

think so. I honestly Dave Jones: don't know, I have a Spotify for podcasts account. So

1:41:50

I can, you know, test with it and that kind of thing. And I

1:41:53

really, sometimes it's very confusing exactly what that

1:41:57

interaction is. I don't think it's automatic. But I also don't

1:42:01

really fully understand how it's happening, either. I don't know

1:42:05

that I would I really wish I could answer that question.

1:42:07

Adam Curry: Because you know, from what I mean, look, Apple

1:42:09

just shouldn't just allow anything to be put in. I mean,

1:42:12

somehow, this show magically appeared there completely

1:42:15

illegally. We haven't made a big deal out of it. But lawsuits are

1:42:17

coming. But you kind of have to have an Apple account. That's

1:42:22

been that's been one of the biggest issues for me is that's

1:42:24

the that was the on ramp to podcasting. So I don't want to

1:42:27

be too much of an apple, like unwrap the podcast, but I'd much

1:42:31

more preferred to say, Oh, you go with anchor? Well, you're in

1:42:36

a big cesspool. And maybe you can find that on Spotify. But

1:42:40

you don't get automatically added to the index, go ahead and

1:42:44

be with those guys. Or go to one of 15 other hosts who are

1:42:49

professional, then either use pod ping to save the world from

1:42:53

global warming. Or have you know, or our trusted partners,

1:42:58

because they've been working with us and Oh, guess what, they

1:43:01

actually support the whole project. So they don't want to

1:43:03

ruin it either. And I think it's actually an opportunity to show

1:43:09

people that Spotify is not the way and anchor is not the way

1:43:14

Dave Jones: you know, I've been having this really weird thought lately. If you look at what's going on right now, Spotify is

1:43:26

the biggest moves Spotify is making they have changed

1:43:29

Stratasys the money dried up, they have they have become begun

1:43:33

to morph. They are they are no longer doing a rapid rate of

1:43:38

exclusive deals. No, of course starting to pour a lot of money

1:43:42

into megaphone and they're open, not open their. Their their RSS

1:43:49

based solution. Adam Curry: Yeah, this is all they have left is to be the best

1:43:54

partner. Dave Jones: Right? And so what and they do pass through the if

1:43:58

you compare that to the other, you know, chumps getting into

1:44:02

this like, like Twitter and YouTube. Spotify compared to

1:44:06

them is actually like a bastion of openness.

1:44:11

Adam Curry: Yes, it's true. I'm Dave Jones: not I'm not even I'm not even really miffed at

1:44:14

Spotify anymore. I'm miffed at at anchor for Spotify for

1:44:19

podcast is FP miffed at them for just the garbage? But I mean,

1:44:27

it's like Spotify in general, they're actually pretty good

1:44:30

becoming more and more decent all the time. I'm looking at

1:44:35

this. So we have right now our our Linode our database Linode

1:44:41

cost $96 A month. Thank you Linode for going up on your

1:44:44

prices 20%. We'll be upgrading that to the 32 gigs of RAM

1:44:50

version four, which will get take us to $192 a month. So

1:44:56

that's going to be the upgrade that I'm going to do tomorrow.

1:44:58

Public Service Announcement database upgrade starts at 6pm

1:45:02

on Saturday at 6pm Central time,

1:45:05

Adam Curry: be on standby be on standby.

1:45:08

Dave Jones: Buckle your seat, your safety belts. And, you

1:45:12

know, sit down because we there will be no problems. But we may

1:45:16

have problems. Yeah. But anyway, that's that's I mean, that's and

1:45:19

it's in no small part thanks to anchors stream Oh, John. So you

1:45:24

know, I don't want to say that I don't want to change anything

1:45:27

right now I think I want to listen to people's inputs,

1:45:29

because I'm okay with, with just continuing to ingest and purge

1:45:34

out things. But it really is like,

1:45:38

Adam Curry: it's annoying, it's annoying. It's annoying when

1:45:40

you, for me. It's highly annoying. But then a bunch of

1:45:45

Swedes came in with a big swing index, and bought all this stuff

1:45:49

and ruined a whole bunch of stuff and ruined, polluted

1:45:52

indexes and poke this polluted stuff with their greediness. And

1:45:57

now they're failing, I want to be going, I'm trying not to, I

1:46:02

think it will solve itself, I think anchor, they're going to

1:46:05

close that down as a free resource one way or the other.

1:46:08

Because it's not free to them, it's a drag on them, they cost

1:46:13

the money, they get one successful show, if they can't

1:46:17

monetize it. And this has always been the downside of the podcast

1:46:21

hosting business, is when you get a huge hit, you actually

1:46:24

start to lose money, there's all kinds of issues, they I think

1:46:28

they're figuring that out, they have to act like responsible

1:46:32

people with their pocketbook. That's why you're seeing all

1:46:34

these changes, I really do not believe in their business model,

1:46:38

you cannot monetize the network, it does not work for you. You

1:46:42

can barely monetize podcast. Now you have to have all of these

1:46:47

labels and, and an approval ratings for brand safe. I mean,

1:46:53

it is not it is a decentralized medium Megyn Kelly, and Glenn

1:46:58

Beck and, and when and if it happens, Tucker Carlson, they

1:47:04

will have advertisers that will support their audience and their

1:47:09

podcast. And you can hear them you can hit these are not BMW, I

1:47:14

mean, one of them might get a BMW, but I doubt it. That's the

1:47:19

type of advertising that works. When you're a network, this is

1:47:22

what you need to survive with the overhead of A, I've been

1:47:26

through this, I've done it and failed at it spent $65 million

1:47:30

of other people's money doing it. It does not work in the

1:47:35

advertising business, to do it on an individual level, whether

1:47:39

you have a rep or not to go out and get advertisers who will

1:47:44

work with you. And a lot of that's going to be host read,

1:47:47

there is total survivability in that. But it's not going to be

1:47:51

at the network level, they are going to fail. And they just

1:47:55

haven't figured it out yet. But I can see the sweat on his bald

1:47:59

head. Dave Jones: Now that's coming from the Holy Gospel robe.

1:48:08

That's got a little kick to it. Yeah,

1:48:12

Adam Curry: it's it's, it's a foregone conclusion. This is why

1:48:16

I don't believe in in Dai, or any of this stuff. I've been

1:48:21

around, I've been around, I've been in the ad game all of my

1:48:24

professional life. I know how it works, they want control. If you

1:48:30

can't do it on a network by basis, there's no control over

1:48:34

the content. Dave Jones: The only the only thing that I think will be a cat

1:48:40

would be a casualty of Not, not auto ingesting anchor and

1:48:47

instead making them making people submit their feeds

1:48:52

individually. The only one, the only casualty I can think of are

1:48:56

the statistics. So like Spurlock's monthly statistics,

1:49:02

you know, because he makes those charts and everything. But but

1:49:05

the thing is, I think the statistics would actually be better. Because you're you're getting, getting rid of what the

1:49:12

way it looks right now, if you look at those statistics, the

1:49:14

way it looks, is you have Spotify for podcasters. This

1:49:19

like 10 miles above everybody else. And the only reason it's

1:49:23

like that is because of the 10 to one junk ratio. If you get

1:49:26

rid of that and bring that back down to earth, then you have a

1:49:30

chart which you have is like right now it's like Spotify way

1:49:33

up here. And then you have a bunch of like bed of squiggly

1:49:37

lines at the bottom that you can't make any sense out of. If

1:49:40

you bring that down to earth, then you'll have a more

1:49:43

realistic chart that looks more normal.

1:49:45

Adam Curry: I would actually say you get a lot of benefit out of

1:49:49

working with Spurlock on that. I mean, how can we figure out what

1:49:53

what's what's worthy or not based upon? I mean, there's a

1:49:56

whole there's many many things to do

1:49:59

Dave Jones: and Just feel like data. Yeah, you're right. You're

1:50:02

right. Adam Curry: I'm right. Oh, man, how come I'm not married to you?

1:50:09

I'm never right here at home. Dave Jones: No, no, you're

1:50:16

Adam Curry: absolutely right. Dave Jones: No, you're right. It should go back to the other

1:50:19

wall. Adam Curry: You know, I bet I feel the same about Mackey. The

1:50:27

way you feel about this, you know, Mackey, the audio company,

1:50:31

a company. Yeah, so they come out with a Mackie F LZ. Creator,

1:50:36

which is, this is a beautiful honkin piece of gear. You know,

1:50:41

it's very much like the road caster, except it's got a huge

1:50:45

screen. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a wanna have type thing.

1:50:48

You know, it's like, look at look at this is this box is

1:50:51

beautiful, I love it. I'm excited by it. It has processing

1:50:55

and has mix minus and all this stuff. And it's about the same

1:50:58

price. And, you know, and then I just look at the specs, I think,

1:51:02

you losers. I would I well, I have said many times, I will

1:51:08

consult for free, call me, I'll tell you what you need. They're

1:51:11

missing some key essential things once again, in this

1:51:16

beautiful box, I'm sure they can fix it with software, you know,

1:51:20

they're just missing some essential things. It's so

1:51:22

unbelievable. Dave Jones: The DLZ creator know who this thing's pretty told

1:51:28

Adam Curry: you. It's beautiful. You know, but here's the here's,

1:51:32

here's the two things right off the bat, they're missing. There's no processing over the total signal. I mean, if you

1:51:38

can't process your your output signal, then what are you doing?

1:51:43

I mean, that's stupid. That's just not not even thinking. And

1:51:47

then the little things, the Liturgy of the little things.

1:51:51

Like when I when I cracked the mic on my road caster, my

1:51:54

speakers in the studio go out they mute. This is the type of

1:51:59

things Ah, yeah,

1:52:03

Dave Jones: man, let me guess they sent you a sample box.

1:52:05

Adam Curry: And I wish they had I wish they had

1:52:09

Dave Jones: back at this thing as guests so many connections on

1:52:11

it. Adam Curry: And they only have one USB where I mean, for as

1:52:17

again, I've never been called by road either. I think they copied

1:52:22

a lot of my stuff. And I hope they did. Because I got it to

1:52:26

market quicker. I don't mind. I'm using it. I'm happy. I'm so

1:52:29

happy. I'm looking at that duo near the little cute one. But I

1:52:33

want that one to just I want to have it. Dave Jones: You don't even get to use it. You just want to have

1:52:38

it again. Adam Curry: Exactly. I just want to have it to use it sometimes.

1:52:42

You know, if you'd like using this one today. Dave Jones: You know, everybody on the website using the Mackay

1:52:47

deals the creators so happy.

1:52:50

Adam Curry: It's gonna be great. It's gonna be fantastic.

1:52:54

Dave Jones: He Fetty there's a Adam Curry: shout out to to our French connection for podcast.

1:53:00

data.org That's pretty cool. Dave Jones: Yeah, thanks, Ben. That's pretty rad. I'm gonna he

1:53:05

sent me a request for some stuff that I'm going to fulfill. I'd

1:53:08

liked it because get him. Adam Curry: You know, it's like, I'm not going to download our

1:53:12

database and run SQL queries. I'm not going to do that. Could

1:53:17

I Yeah, job. Like, and it's not really, I'm not super interested

1:53:24

in all that. But just sometimes I like Oh, I'm just gonna play

1:53:27

around with this. And just, you know, learn some stuff. It was

1:53:30

really cool. I like it. I mean, it's just it was a nice addition

1:53:33

really appreciate him doing that. Dave Jones: It made me realize that I need to go back and put

1:53:41

some more bits of metadata into the weekly dump. Because we like

1:53:48

there's some stuff that would help been on that side. And if I

1:53:54

can just throw in a little bit extra data for him to

1:53:58

Adam Curry: tell me what what you're doing in the near future.

1:54:01

So I know you're upgrading the database. So that's, that's

1:54:03

gonna keep you busy for a week at least just upgrade tweaking

1:54:07

all that stuff. What else can we help you with?

1:54:11

Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. So, database database upgrade

1:54:14

tomorrow. That is going to be I can just run through the process

1:54:19

real quick. So at 6pm Central Time, tomorrow, I will, what I'm

1:54:25

going to here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to make a snap

1:54:32

schema, I'm going to restore the database from backup from the

1:54:40

nightly snapshot. So I'm going to restore that to a new VM

1:54:43

Whoa, man. Adam Curry: You can you stream doing while you're doing this?

1:54:48

Can you do a screencast stream it live just so we can enjoy

1:54:51

watching this. That's so cool. Dave Jones: That's actually kind of funny to think about. If it

1:54:57

blows up as if it would be horribly It'd be terrible. have

1:55:00

that documented, I will, I will consider that that's actually

1:55:03

kind of fun. Yeah, Adam Curry: one of those, one of the Alex's feeds.

1:55:09

Dave Jones: A lot of y'all guys do thing, no agenda tube last

1:55:13

year. So we'll restore it from nightly backup into a new VM,

1:55:19

turn off all of the rights to the database. So turn off all

1:55:24

the aggregators, any shut down, all the cron jobs, every

1:55:29

everything that's running that could perhaps write to the

1:55:32

database, turn all those off, so that it becomes very low, low

1:55:38

write traffic, there will still be writes coming in through the

1:55:41

API. through the, through some of the API calls, I'm going to

1:55:47

flip a switch a flag in the API config file, that will tell it

1:55:57

there's a database upgrade in progress. When that happens, any

1:56:02

rights coming in through the API will be only logged. They won't

1:56:07

be actually written to the database, but it will, but it

1:56:11

will hand back they will hand back the appropriate response to

1:56:16

the caller. So that they don't know the difference. Whoa. So

1:56:21

then, then, as soon as as soon as that happens, I will flip the

1:56:27

API over to point to the new to the temporary database that I've

1:56:35

just restored. And then resize the current database, which will

1:56:41

take about 20 minutes. I think I timed it the other day with a

1:56:45

test 28 to 30 minutes, somewhere in that timeframe. It will, it

1:56:51

will reboot and resize the database. Then I'll flip the API

1:56:55

back to the live database as the source and if everything checks

1:57:01

out, turn everything back on. Oh, man, Adam Curry: what are you doing this? What time?

1:57:05

Dave Jones: 6pm Central tomorrow. Adam Curry: 6pm Central, you know, I'm gonna do at 6pm

1:57:08

Central. Dave Jones: I'm gonna give rise to the API. No, I'm gonna

1:57:13

Adam Curry: I'm gonna reboot our node just to make it all

1:57:15

complete. No, God. Dave Jones: Are you trying to kill me? I mean, like, I needed

1:57:24

any drinks. Any alcohol for this or something? Wow. No, I mean,

1:57:27

this is this is very much fino show moving stuff around and

1:57:33

nightlights? I don't know. Well, we'll see how it goes. We'll

1:57:37

see. I guess so that that'll be the database. Okay. That's what

1:57:40

I've been doing the last couple of weeks is just doing test runs

1:57:43

of these things to make sure that the to make sure that I

1:57:47

understand how long each of these phases is going to last

1:57:50

right. There's a possibility that during the switch that

1:57:53

during the resize that the API could return what do we want to

1:58:01

say unsound data? misinformation? They may be

1:58:09

beginning to report fake news. Emission disinformation, Matt

1:58:14

MDM, Mal mountain and Mal information.

1:58:16

Adam Curry: So what can what can everybody do to help alleviate

1:58:18

less rights? Everybody? No. Right. Don't write no letters.

1:58:22

Dave Jones: No. Alt rights. We can? No, we there's nothing to

1:58:27

do I think except just be aware of that for a couple of hours

1:58:30

tomorrow from six to roughly question mark. There may be

1:58:35

misinformation coming from the database. So

1:58:37

Adam Curry: Okay. Wow. All right. I was like, You know

1:58:41

what, I'm gonna pray for you. That's what I'm gonna do.

1:58:46

Dave Jones: Thank you, brothers. That actually would be more

1:58:48

helpful than anything I'm doing. Unknown: Oh, man. Oh,

1:58:54

Dave Jones: roasted API hallucinations. Yes. There you

1:58:56

go. Exactly. So that's that's that but then after that I'm

1:59:01

working on a there's a thing that Oscar has been asking for

1:59:04

for a while that I'm going to do I'm going to finish up I've

1:59:07

already started it. But then I'm going to finish that up. It's a

1:59:12

an immediate parse. So what he said was, you know, some

1:59:16

sometimes a feed is just not getting the is not getting an

1:59:20

episode in a timely fashion. And there can be a lot of reasons

1:59:25

for that I don't want to get into and there's different we

1:59:28

have priority flags and all this kind of stuff. Things can just

1:59:31

get out of whack. So he said, you know, what would really be

1:59:35

nice is if, if I could send if I could call an API endpoint that

1:59:40

would give me they would, they would immediately parse the

1:59:44

feed, extracted latest episodes and given back to me like the

1:59:49

prop. The problem with that is that the API the language that a

1:59:55

API is written in PHP, the aggregators are written in node

2:00:00

in the polars. The feed polls are written in rust. All the

2:00:05

code that does polling and aggregation is all written in

2:00:09

Rust in JavaScript, so I can't. And there's no PHP for that. So

2:00:14

what I had to do is go back to the freedom controller,

2:00:17

Adam Curry: oh, my phone. Wait a minute, we've gone back to the

2:00:20

freedom control. This is an emergency now we're getting the

2:00:23

bottom of the barrel, right glass, right.

2:00:27

Dave Jones: And to go back to the frame Silla and forklift, a,

2:00:31

an old aggregator, some old aggregator code out of that, to,

2:00:37

to get a template for this thing. So because because PHP

2:00:43

uses a simple XML library. So anyway, well, that that'll

2:00:48

happen, but it was more work than I'd hoped for. So that

2:00:52

there's that that's that's in the in the works.

2:00:55

Adam Curry: Wow. Oh, man. Well, you know, I know it's gonna be

2:00:59

fine. You have worked with you for 14 years now.

2:01:04

Dave Jones: 14, long, Longton Adam Curry: and, and downtime is just not a thing. I'm not too

2:01:10

worried about I understand what you're doing. I understand the

2:01:13

complexity of it. But I know you think these things through.

2:01:16

It'll be fine. You'll work it out. And I hope everyone

2:01:19

appreciates what you do. Dave Jones: Where did Daniel J lewis go, by the way?

2:01:25

Adam Curry: Oh, that's ha. She was he was

2:01:30

Dave Jones: he was working on a cross app comments thing and

2:01:33

then he just poof just disappeared.

2:01:37

Adam Curry: Daniel J. Cole and Daniel J. Lewis. Checking please

2:01:41

check in at the front desk. Want to make sure you're okay. Let's

2:01:46

thank some people. They were running behind. I want to get

2:01:49

you out back to a you had the rest of the day off.

2:01:51

Dave Jones: Yeah, man. Oh, nice. Memorial Day weekend, by the

2:01:54

Adam Curry: way. Thank you, Eric. p p for your heli pad for

2:01:58

for start nine. I'm gonna try loading that up.

2:02:01

Dave Jones: What is this? What are you talking about? You know, what's Adam Curry: your start nine is the professional version of

2:02:05

Umbral. Yeah, right? I got one of those. Remember, they sent me

2:02:09

a box. Yeah. So we ported heli pad to the Start OS OS that was

2:02:15

not informed of this. Yeah. That's the problem with open

2:02:18

source. Oh, this is awesome. Yeah, it is super awesome.

2:02:23

Because that I mean, that thing is stable. I'd have it running

2:02:25

for I don't know, like a month now. That thing's running like a

2:02:29

champ. Dave Jones: Where's the guy? He said? He said he'll send me the

2:02:32

package. He sent me the package. Hey, Adam Curry: yeah, love your package, man. Send me the

2:02:36

package. Love your package. Let me thanks some people who've

2:02:39

been boosting during the show. Curtis Peterson 10,000 SATs

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Thank you Pete Curtis. Sam wavelet we thanked him earlier

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with this 50,000 SATs gotta love the music biz. Mike Newman

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33,333 says hey CB CT litter was barking because she wanted in

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the studio. I can't believe you've never done that. And

2:03:00

there's air TT says agenda to start nine node have a diversion

2:03:03

of helipad app and he gave me the gave me the GitHub so I'm

2:03:06

going to going to try and load that up maybe a weekend project

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10101 from blueberry. We are three weeks deep into using the

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time splits oh there you go. lavish and I have been able to

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feature about three songs during each intermission on one

2:03:23

additional song for the playout music I have concerned that we

2:03:26

won't be able to do this live as we cut together a 15 minute mix

2:03:29

featuring all the music I would say talk to one way would be it

2:03:37

would be is to combine the value blocks I'm just off the top I

2:03:41

had talked to Steven B about that that's a good problem to

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have I would say another blueberry 6666 Lorien from bowl

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after bowl nailed it and this was one of my new favorite ISOs

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Okay, I'm gonna make me play something that I might regret

2:03:58

regret was happening here Unknown: Oh tubing is a mental illness. Chasing numbers is a

2:04:03

mental illness. Trying to build your following is a mental

2:04:07

illness Dave Jones: that was worth it. I kind of like yeah, that was

2:04:14

worth Adam Curry: it. That was kind of worth it. How long is that

2:04:17

thing? Can you say the end of show? Unknown: Oh, tubing is a mental illness. Chasing numbers is a

2:04:21

mental illness. If I stop it they're trying to build your

2:04:24

following is a mental illness

2:04:27

Adam Curry: kind of the last Unknown: chasing numbers is a mental illness. Okay, trying.

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Adam Curry: Almost had a home. I just got a set of cute. There we

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go. Okay, set some crack. 222 collaborative ISO magic boost.

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I can't hear you but I'm sending my booths live anyway. That's we

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always say oh, you He's just not listening, but he's sending it anyway. Okay. Rustic club, brush Calavera 3000 SATs boosting in

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my spandex. Okay. Nathan But Nathan gathright just came in

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with a short row of ducks in ideal world fountain steno FM

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etc will be able to post transcripts back to the host for

2:05:21

them to include in the feed if they want. Failing that sharing

2:05:24

them back to the index as a shim would be a great way for

2:05:26

podcasts and 2.0 apps to share only when the podcaster hasn't

2:05:30

provided one. I liked the idea of sending it back to the host

2:05:33

to be quite honest about it. But yeah, stuff for hosting people

2:05:39

to work out most likely. feifer with 6666 lit boosting through

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the index fantastic. I see it indeed came through the the

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index tone record with a short row of ducks Friday fun time.

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pre show voice. Yo Yeah. And of course pre boosting for the

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Unknown: always there for us. 20 blades on the Impala

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Adam Curry: ball. Paula booth. Thank you chat after 3333

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Another Martin with 1000 lit squad ready. And those are the

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pre show boosts and during the show booster grams. I'm sure you

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have a fine list to thank as well.

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Dave Jones: This fun list begins with Marco Arment $500 Yo

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Adam Curry: yo yo Bala Unknown: Sakala 20 This Blaze on I am Paula,

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Adam Curry: we are keeping the keeping the index clean for you

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Marco taking out the trash.

2:06:46

Dave Jones: copy him this morning. I really would like to

2:06:48

know if anybody else is seeing these iTunes API five oh,

2:06:53

threes? Yeah. What's Adam Curry: noticing what's the 503?

2:06:57

Dave Jones: It's just service unavailable. Oops. Yeah, I've

2:07:01

been noticing this a lot. I mean, it's never for a super

2:07:04

long amount of time. It'll be this way for five minutes. And

2:07:08

then it'll free up and then you'll get it for another five

2:07:11

minutes. I don't know. It's just I've never seen this consistent

2:07:15

level of 503 is coming from Apple before. So I don't know it

2:07:18

kind of makes me it weirds me out a little bit. Something's

2:07:21

going on. Because it's been go. This has been happening for a

2:07:24

couple of weeks now. Interesting. Interesting. I

2:07:27

don't know. But but one of the remember, people may not realize

2:07:32

or remember this, but we have. We have clone endpoints for the

2:07:37

iTunes API. Adam Curry: Yes. Which you can just drop right in, right?

2:07:41

Dave Jones: Yeah. So you can do an AB you can have. If your app

2:07:45

depends on the Apple API, Apple lookup API, you can just replace

2:07:51

the host name of forgot what it's like. I look up that iTunes

2:07:58

dot commerce out forgot what just replace the host name with

2:08:02

API podcast. index.org. And it just works. So you can have that

2:08:06

as a fallback if you get a 503 from Apple fallback to request

2:08:10

Yes, and when Apple's stuff comes back online, you're good

2:08:13

to go. Flip back. Adam Curry: How cool is that? People that's worth a boost.

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Dave Jones: That's free of charge his right Buzzsprout $500

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Adam Curry: next no doubt anchor with $500

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Dave Jones: This Did you see both sprouts? Got some sort of

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AI thing? I read?

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Adam Curry: I would I would I would expect no less from them.

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Of course they got some kind of what are they doing with the AI

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thing? Dave Jones: I don't know. I don't know what what all it is

2:08:48

we need to we need to get more information

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Adam Curry: out. Okay, I am excited now. I mean, I've been

2:08:55

waiting for what I mean because it's show notes

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Dave Jones: or something maybe Buzzsprout ads co host AI

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Adam Curry: Konos. It introduces to Holon pod news has the has

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podcasters from these often time consuming tasks. I've tried I've

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tried stuff like this I think with most of these things, I

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can't forget what it was I tried. It gives you a summary

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and then it does give you some ideas for for Chapter points and

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conscription. ans i personally, I like to like to pay. Dr.

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Scott. I like giving him 5% of the of the value block. But I

2:10:10

can see where it can it can save some people some time.

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Congratulations. I mean, it might be great. Dave Jones: Oh, Nathan said they did a partnership with a with

2:10:19

podium. Okay, Adam Curry: that's probably Yeah, I tried podium podium is

2:10:24

an AI company who are launching, I think they want to launch into

2:10:27

all kinds of businesses. And so they they're doing like, all

2:10:33

kinds of little things to show off their wares. So that podium

2:10:38

is probably what I use, actually. Dave Jones: Thank you. Thank you, Tom. And Kevin and

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Buzzsprout. Appreciate that Franco. Celerio $100. Nice.

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Adam Curry: cool. Dave Jones: He says Dave, Adam, and everyone that is involved in

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podcasting. 2.0 Thank you for your ideas, your work and your

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support. Adam Curry: No, thank you for your support. We really

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appreciate it, man. Thank you. Dave Jones: Yeah, the lb. The LB and swap over in cast ematic was

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pretty much flawless. It was smooth as it was.

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Adam Curry: That's the only one I can't test because I don't

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have I don't have apple.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, no, it worked great. And so, I mean, as far as

2:11:26

I know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we're almost done

2:11:32

with the LNP node. Adam Curry: Oh, okay. If not, we have a few more days or weeks, I

2:11:40

think before everyone shuts off off if I'm not mistaken.

2:11:43

Dave Jones: I just paid the Ellen pay bill this morning.

2:11:47

Adam Curry: Okay, so that might be one of the last one. So we'll

2:11:51

see. Okay, so I was correct. I did use it was podium. And I had

2:11:56

us podium on episode 123. It's very, this very show. And now

2:12:05

let me just do a quick I'm sorry. I know I'm taking a

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little bit of time. What was the what was the title of episode

2:12:13

123 Oh, God. Well, I should be able to look that up real quick,

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right? Yeah, yeah, Dave Jones: I can actually get a podcast

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Adam Curry: with ya 123 Dave Jones: and 20 threes. Get off my chain.

2:12:30

Adam Curry: Okay. The suggested episode title. Explore. Are you

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ready? Yes. Exploring the benefits of decentralized

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cryptocurrency and blockchain technology.

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Dave Jones: Oh god, that's horrible. Adam Curry: And there's a suggested tweet. Join us for our

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cryptocurrency hashtag blockchain hashtag decentralized

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solutions hashtag podcast episode summary. In this

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episode, I discuss the monetary Control Act of 1980 which

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requires all financial institutions the United States

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lab Dave Jones: that is so boring. Let me let me show you what let

2:13:22

me let me see what my Adam Curry: what your Yes.

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Dave Jones: For the for this show before we started here.

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Let's see. Okay, here it is. Episode 134. I said it's time

2:13:34

for the board meeting. We're running with scissors live with episode 134. Come listen to nobody announced for President.

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Exactly. That's that's an announcement that other thing

2:13:43

was boring. Adam Curry: Well, it has highlights which I would say our

2:13:47

chapters just give you the highlights. So these would be

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chapters modernizing podcasting capabilities with breeze, tool

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selection and open source evolution of relays and AI

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algorithms. The death of Fiat podcasting. I do like that. See,

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I would keep that breeze SDK for apps good one, exploring the

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potential of noster technology and OS T are welcome nostril.

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Welcome to the party, pal. Okay, that's a good another good

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chapter title, the emergence of podcasting to point out layoffs

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in podcasting, and community in Bitcoin world note.

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Dave Jones: So you don't call it layoffs in podcasting, you call

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it chop and drop Exactly. Adam Curry: As a guideline tool, I can see where where it's

2:14:34

useful, and of course it does a it does a transcript.

2:14:39

Dave Jones: Once you've gotten used to dred Scott's chapters,

2:14:41

there's no image there's no AI can touch him with a 10 foot

2:14:44

pole. Adam Curry: I don't have to add to that.

2:14:50

Dave Jones: He's a he's a he's a chapter savant

2:14:53

Adam Curry: chapter Master. Yes. Chapter captain.

2:14:59

Dave Jones: Captain Mike And that's right. Let's see who we

2:15:03

go with. Now that was it with the pay pals. Okay, thank

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Adam Curry: you. Thank you hosting friends. Thank you hosting friends and Marco thank you very very much Franco and

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Franco. Yes, thank you. Dave Jones: We got let's see chat F with 3333 No note, Chad's

2:15:18

not in the note writing blued evidently, because we get

2:15:21

another 3333 from Chad F and there's also no note we got some

2:15:28

some big satchel Richard from you. You must have been money

2:15:31

printer good. burring Mike Newman 333 A Pew for the post

2:15:36

show money printer. Thank you for your courage. Nope. drips

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got 1234561456

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Adam Curry: Well, I mean, do we do we'd give him a big big

2:15:50

baller follow? Unknown: Stock Carla 20 is Blaze on him. Paula.

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Adam Curry: That's what puts songs at the top of wav like,

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top 40 Dave Jones: This is what must this is. This must have been

2:16:02

when you played it as the outro Yeah,

2:16:05

Adam Curry: exactly. So we do need to be able to differentiate

2:16:08

because we only get a small percentage of that. Yeah, but

2:16:12

I'm happy to big baller that because it's big baller it

2:16:15

supports everybody it supports the artists it gets people

2:16:18

excited so I'm happy Dave Jones: let's see we got I think we got two of these from

2:16:26

from Drib I think we got 212345 sixes wow it's the same note but

2:16:32

it I mean they came in a different timestamps

2:16:34

Adam Curry: interesting. He might have sent them twice as

2:16:36

possible. Dave Jones: Okay, well hard hats and his satchel Richard for

2:16:41

1111. We got a 14 21,420 from SCO TT and he just says yes,

2:16:48

Adam Curry: indeed. Yes, streaming.

2:16:51

Dave Jones: Mike Newman essential Richards he says, oh,

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Oscar fountain live beta seems to completely come commandeer My

2:16:59

phone's audio even if I press pause on the Live episode. I

2:17:02

can't stop the stream. Adam Curry: You know what Tina? Really love? What the number one

2:17:08

loves feature of the new fountain. She says, Ah, I can

2:17:14

delete all my downloaded episodes in with one button.

2:17:18

Dave Jones: That's a pretty nice thing. And she watched it. She

2:17:21

watched and Adam Curry: watched it go. Oh, look at that. Because you like

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1000 Oh, it's gone. 900 800 400

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Dave Jones: Ah. This is a thing. It is a big thing. ASMR buzz

2:17:36

visual. Adam Curry: She is love. She loves that clean up feeling like

2:17:42

Inbox Zero. Yeah, she loves it. Oh man. So that's her most

2:17:46

favorite feature. Dave Jones: I'm pretty on board with that too.

2:17:50

Adam Curry: I understand that. Dave Jones: Oh, my Caden 2222 Road ducks for curio caster he

2:17:56

says Good Times last week. Yes, Mike. Thanks, Mike

2:17:59

Adam Curry: was good to have you on. And I think he really

2:18:02

enjoyed I think he posted on the social how much he enjoyed

2:18:06

watching the Satoshis come in from his split on that episode.

2:18:10

Yeah, yeah, it's that's my evil plan as my evil plan. Yeah, it's

2:18:14

pretty fun. And it Mike that's why all your clients all your

2:18:17

customers could have that same wonderful experience.

2:18:21

Dave Jones: We got 123456 booths for 49,000 SATs from Auburn

2:18:30

citadel. Holy Mara.

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Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze own Ambala Thank

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Adam Curry: you. That's a big one. That's a big baller boost

2:18:40

man. Thank you so much. Dave Jones: It must fit as per minute said I don't know man.

2:18:44

That's uh, but he Adam Curry: he gets all excited. Yeah.

2:18:50

Dave Jones: Satchel Richards from the mere mortals podcast. He found it he says the streaming payments also good to

2:18:54

the artist. You only mentioned boosts so I was unsure

2:18:57

Adam Curry: Yes, everything everything. It's a foreign value

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bloxwich. Yes so no matter what you do, no matter from where oh

2:19:04

no, it doesn't matter from where I live everybody

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Dave Jones: that loves sushi 10,000 says curio caster says

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boosting the money printer girl burr from period caster.

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Adam Curry: Boost boost money print to go borrow money Brenda

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go birth. Dave Jones: Michigan been 2040 Oh, what would what?

2:19:24

Adam Curry: No, I think I need to play that song again.

2:19:28

Dave Jones: Jean been 2048 through cast Matic says I'm

2:19:30

wondering if the person's Search API endpoint could somehow be

2:19:33

tied into by pod chaser. It seems like they'd benefit from

2:19:36

it greatly. Well, they're welcome to do it. It's right

2:19:40

there. They can do it if they want to. Alex on pod friend 5000

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sets a says boost Fauci plus boost Devora plus boost Fauci

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plus boost to Vortec plus boost the keeper.

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Adam Curry: We can do a little bit of that boost boost boost.

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Boost boost Okay? Got Mola They got most of it in their

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Dave Jones: 4096 through gene bein we got 123456 of those and

2:20:08

thank you gene bein I appreciate the yellow owl from Brees of

2:20:13

course that's a very breezed anonymous name 2498 Thank you

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very much. Brian of London 1948 says the Israel boost he says

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podcasting 2.0 is recorded before the start of Shabbat on a

2:20:26

Friday in the timezone of the participants. It is there for

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kosher as a Jew as a Jew is Brian certified. There we

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Adam Curry: go. We're kosher. We are now we are officially right

2:20:38

down the only boardroom that's kosher Dave Jones: that's that's that's a big deal. I'm hanging the sign

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up we got a 234,567 SAS through curio caster from drip Scott

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printer.com Unknown: Saqqara 20 his blades on the Impala people

2:20:59

Adam Curry: love that money printer song man I'm playing it

2:21:03

on the outro again I can't help myself I just need to say it's a

2:21:06

great way to get the weekend started money printer Gober?

2:21:08

Yeah, I love it. Dave Jones: My printer go burn. All right, thank you Greg. Oh,

2:21:15

and another one he says boosting fudge 133,333 20

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Unknown: blades on the Impala his children

2:21:24

Adam Curry: are walking on bare feet Dave Jones: ragged eating toast. The bottom of their faces live a

2:21:32

hamburger meat is awful. To get jelly stains on their cheek,

2:21:37

Adam Curry: the Bruce Wayne of podcasting 2.0 Thank you

2:21:39

brother. Dave Jones: James sent us 40 Send us 4000 SATs the founder

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says value for value is the way Silicon Valley man.

2:21:48

Adam Curry: He was talking to Mike Mike okay. It's Silicon

2:21:51

Valley man. Dave Jones: Clark Ian 25,001 says that's my buddy he says

2:21:57

beef tallow fries for you Dave boobity boobity buck

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Adam Curry: boost boost boost so buddy buddy Bob.

2:22:04

Dave Jones: Yet we went to we went over to their house the

2:22:07

other night he made beef tallow fries with grass fed beef.

2:22:11

Adam Curry: Oh, oh, that must have been super delish. Now

2:22:15

we're gonna check your buddy with the 12 Giga gigabyte AI

2:22:19

thing. Dave Jones: Yeah, man. It was badass EA show me ooga booga

2:22:24

running with a Vicuna length large language model. Totally,

2:22:28

totally local solely on device. And he said he just he pulled it

2:22:33

up just like Chad GPT and typed in. He just typed in a request.

2:22:39

He said please write it write a script. Write a bash script that

2:22:43

will send an email saying hello world every 20 minutes and it

2:22:47

was like Berge read it all nice. And I said Well, that was I will

2:22:51

try and do the same thing and just change it to PowerShell so

2:22:53

he just said the same exact thing and change it to PowerShell boom

2:22:57

Adam Curry: Wow to read out and did it as he worried about it

2:22:59

eating up his house. Dave Jones: It is He said if you have at least a 12 gig video

2:23:08

card then it will do it'll it can fit everything in memory and

2:23:12

it's super fast. Adam Curry: Can he can he have it generate show notes and

2:23:17

chapter titles for our show? Dave Jones: Probably but it'll be boring. But

2:23:23

Adam Curry: just curious. Who knows. I mean maybe his stuff

2:23:26

isn't boring. I Dave Jones: don't know. We don't know that drab isn't doing that

2:23:29

very thing. Thank Adam Curry: you. We don't know if dread is real. Drip,

2:23:33

Dave Jones: drip drip may be a large language model.

2:23:37

Adam Curry: I'm not going to contest it. Dave Jones: A monkey sent us 333 sets and money to go

2:23:45

Adam Curry: home man they love it. Dave Jones: The bow ski says 808 Boo Boos through fountain no

2:23:51

note that we get sir Pete 22 to 22 Big row of dogs uses

2:23:56

liberals. Adam Curry: They're very nice. I want to we haven't played in the

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boost in a long time. Dave Jones: And now as the French say it is time for love

2:24:07

boost I love Benjamin Bellamy he doesn't let it rip.

2:24:15

Adam Curry: He doesn't care. He does not care.

2:24:18

Dave Jones: Exactly all you get is exactly what

2:24:20

Adam Curry: he thinks love that. Love that love that. Now

2:24:23

Dave Jones: an anonymous boost for 2500 says through cast

2:24:25

ematic Thank you anonymous let's see 1000 says from user

2:24:30

499016947 Double blah blah blah and fountain he says lit fire is

2:24:34

awesome. Adam Curry: Yeah change your username. Yes.

2:24:38

Dave Jones: Huge satchel Richards from bad career advice

2:24:41

Chad he says sinking that are you what are you thinking about?

2:24:47

said in a bedroom and accent in honor of the featured artists

2:24:50

money printer good or bad career vice Chad's in a 6969 through family says Adam stop

2:25:00

server size shaming. Everyone knows it's not about the size of

2:25:04

the server but the motion of the data packet ocean moves backward

2:25:11

but yet again with 1000 SATs, he's just as anonymous as the

2:25:18

big road ducks two of those Thank you. 20 is a 2100 from

2:25:22

Bhumi just says demoing every week Bhumi is demoing V for V on

2:25:27

somebody. We get a boost of love that bore logs and 20,000 SATs

2:25:34

30 pod verses is Keep up the good work, gentlemen. Thank you

2:25:37

Borlaug. Adam Curry: We love this. I love tone records suggestion Dred

2:25:42

Scott is chapter GPT Dave Jones: I liked I like that a lot. That's awesome. Oh marks

2:25:52

and marks and it's 3111 the founding says great episode yet

2:25:56

again. Thanks for the words of encouragement on podcaster go

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podcasting go podcast. Seriously build something I really want to

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see. Adam Curry: Yeah. Dave Jones: The delimiter 30 3015 through comes through

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blogger Hey says don't miss Dave and achieving Adam. Like you we

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believe in the limitless potential of your work with

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value in PC 2.0. Your diligence deserves consistent support with

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SATs we foresee a future where in the pioneering hallmark of

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podcasting, Bitcoin and artificial intelligence become

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pillars of ingenuity, working alongside the nobility of the

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spirit to become the ghost in the machine of the Beast system.

2:26:35

There go the AI duck cooking podcast seeks to inform its

2:26:39

listenership fortnightly. Yossi is being wolf

2:26:43

Adam Curry: Hey, it's a fan favorite that AI dog cooking

2:26:46

podcast everybody's asking for it. If he if he gets written up

2:26:50

in Wired I'll be laughing my ass off

2:26:53

Dave Jones: that article came out by the way. Adam Curry: Oh, it did. Yeah. Did you look at it.

2:26:58

Dave Jones: Read the first paragraph where had the leaf Adam Curry: oh man wired. I can't believe we didn't check

2:27:03

that out at Wired Magazine.

2:27:07

Dave Jones: Shocking leaked Tesla documents hint at cybertruck problems.

2:27:11

Adam Curry: Oh no. Oh, no. Oh no. I'll have to cancel my

2:27:14

order. A generative AI podcasts are here. I was at the article.

2:27:21

Dave Jones: For it looking for looking for it. I don't know.

2:27:25

Just the lady's blowing her nose.

2:27:30

Adam Curry: I don't I searched for cooking. I don't see cooking

2:27:33

in this article. Just came out the 24th Wait, it's just written

2:27:37

by Katie. Let me see if it's Katie. Because if it's Katie,

2:27:40

Katie right this Dave Jones: new nibs. There we go. 520 for you. genitive AR

2:27:46

podcast. Podcasts are here prepared to be bored. Well,

2:27:50

there you go. She's she's right on. It's boring.

2:27:52

Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay, well, I'm gonna write her and say, Well, did she mention podcasts index, and

2:27:58

Dave Jones: index? Adam Curry: Oh, according to the database database podcast index.

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Nearly 103,000 individual podcast episodes republished

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online a deluge of audio content so voluminous that listeners

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need never run out of options.

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Dave Jones: She gave us a link right there. And the first thing is Thank

2:28:17

Adam Curry: you. All right, Katie. You're back on top. Your

2:28:20

Euro pound friend of the show. Dave Jones: Thank you for giving us a link that will cause us to

2:28:26

have to spend more money on servers. Oh, now don't be that.

2:28:29

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm not you can do that. You said

2:28:33

the one that said aihole. Adam Curry: Oh, um, but that's my job. You're supposed to be

2:28:37

the good guy. Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Thanks, Katie. This is how it works was

2:28:43

very nice. She was very nice about it.

2:28:46

Adam Curry: I'm very appreciative of it. Thank you, Katie. You solidified as the authority yes monthlies.

2:28:55

Dave Jones: The first line of this article, here's the thing about podcasts. There's too many of them. Pretty much. monthlies,

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Sean McCune $20 James Sullivan $10 Christopher Raymer $10 Cohen

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glass Buck $5 Jordan Dunnville $10 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 dribs

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got $15 and Lesley Martin $2 and that's

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Adam Curry: and this just came in pot off the presses. From

2:29:30

Martin Oh, greetings from all legacy. Greetings from all

2:29:35

legacy pod friend users. Consider this the shutdown of LM

2:29:41

pay love you. 1 million Satoshis

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Unknown: Sakala 20 his blades on the Impala

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Adam Curry: mill boost 1 million Satoshis. So he shut everything

2:29:59

Woody down, took their money and gave it to us. I love you.

2:30:04

Dave Jones: And he's off to Mexico. Adam Curry: Wow, that is so cool. Well, I'm going to turn

2:30:10

around I'm gonna I'm gonna boost money printer Gerber and Cory

2:30:12

Keller was Yeah, man. Thank you. Okay,

2:30:16

Dave Jones: good idea. Adam Curry: Thank you everybody so much is so incredibly

2:30:19

generous, important. Thank you. I probably should check the

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tally coin to see if Dredd boosted us there as well. To go

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to podcasts. index.org down at the bottom. Oh, yeah, sure.

2:30:32

Tallyho for the trifecta of V for V donations for this episode

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the chapter GPT. checks in again. Cheesy. Great. We are

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value for value and value for value works. If you actually

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deliver value, you can see what's going on here. Thank you

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so much to everybody who supported us this week. It's not

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just the show. It's the index. It's the database. It's the 30

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servers, it's liquidity we hand out on with very high fees these

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days. Through the node it's keeping us alive is building up

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a little bit of a buffer. It's it's helping us you know pay for

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the for the LM pay, which we've been paying for for several

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years. It's also appreciated. At the bottom of the podcast

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index.org page, you can see two red buttons donate buttons, one

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for your Fiat fund coupons that is for PayPal, and one for the

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tally coin, which is really drab Scott's personal button to put

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the drip just like bread, drip press hear his name on it. We

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are value for value. No creepy ad money, no Corporation, no

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podcast industrial complex, just us developers partying together

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with the listeners with fans, with supporters, with developers

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with podcasters listeners. That's what it is three years

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going strong still and sharing and all the value through the

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value splits. I love it. I'm so proud of everybody. I'm proud of

2:32:03

you, Dave Jones. Dave Jones: I'm proud of you too. I've got public service

2:32:08

announcements like okay, public Adam Curry: service announcements before we go and

2:32:11

I'm going to cut you off because you know, this is way beyond

2:32:14

your time. Well, I Dave Jones: No, no, no, I don't have to go back to work. I'm

2:32:18

I'll this true clear. Okay, the clear. Good. This is not okay.

2:32:22

There's one perfect one public service announcement and one

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thing specifically for chyron from the mere mortals podcast,

2:32:31

the car Karen, the two books you want do you want to read from

2:32:35

Frederick Naisha are this book there's Zarathustra? That his

2:32:40

his his this is what I was told by my friend who is a Nietzsche

2:32:43

scholar. That is that book displays his his mature

2:32:49

philosophical thought. And you also want to read the

2:32:52

Antichrist, which in his words shows how insane he is because

2:32:56

he advocates violence against Christians. Okay.

2:32:59

Adam Curry: That is I'm switching to the Nietzsche value

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block here live. Okay. Dave Jones: All right, and come back.

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Adam Curry: We're back. We're back. We're back yesterday. Dave Jones: The public service announcement is if you run

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Windows, disable, you will be doing yourself a favor to

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disable fast startup. Oh, in the power options.

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Adam Curry: Oh, why? Why is that? Why? Tell us about this

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public public service.

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Dave Jones: We have over the last few months in my day job we

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have noticed an alarmingly large increase in the number of weird

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things going on with windows that involve like memory leaks,

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printers doing weird things, just all kinds of really hard to

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pin down issues and almost every one of them is solved if you

2:33:53

disable fast startup Adam Curry: now where do I find this fast startup because I find

2:33:57

a lot but I don't see the Fast Startup

2:33:59

Dave Jones: it's really a pain in the butt to find if you go to

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the settings and then go in search for power power option if

2:34:07

you start if you just go into the settings apps for power go

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to I think it's called power and sleep options or something and

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you go in there and then you go to Advanced

2:34:21

Adam Curry: advanced yep then I get a little power options thing

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that pops up yep, Dave Jones: the control panel applets then over the left of

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the control panel and Adam Curry: basically in Windows three now yeah, yes, you're

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right. Dave Jones: You're in the right place. Yes,

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Adam Curry: yes. Dave Jones: Then now if you go up to the OP the link that says

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Choose what closing the lid does or choose what the power buttons

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do. Over on the left

2:34:45

Adam Curry: I'm looking but I I just from wireless. I mean, I

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don't have a laptop so maybe it's not in here. Tower man Oh,

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display display maybe turned it No. Power processing management?

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No. Dave Jones: Yes. So you'll you'll want to you'll want to

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find that option that says Choose what the power and sleep

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buttons do. It should be in there somewhere that if you

2:35:10

don't know what yours looks like but it should be in the advanced

2:35:13

if you're on that screen that shows whether you can go to

2:35:16

balanced or high performance power Adam Curry: yeah high performance over on the left you

2:35:21

Dave Jones: should have some options and one of them should

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be something like choose what the power button does. If you

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click if you the way you get there is you click that then at

2:35:31

the bottom you will see a thing that lets you disable fast

2:35:34

startup not seeing it

2:35:39

Adam Curry: no I screenshot Yeah, I mean I know what you're

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talking about. But I just display Trump processor power

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management I don't have I don't have a lid thing because I don't

2:35:50

have a lid lid yeah Dave Jones: yeah, there's another one this though that

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doesn't is not the lid it's like choose what the power button

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does. Adam Curry: I don't have that button. I know I think I'm in

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the right screen I got all that stuff. Dave Jones: issues within the Power Options section select

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Change what the power buttons do.

2:36:13

Adam Curry: I don't have that. I don't have that option. Okay,

2:36:17

well, so I don't so I don't have the problem. Boom solved.

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Dave Jones: You fixed it without doing anything. Adam Curry: Dave my brother have yourself a great weekend. What a

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