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Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for November 24 2023 Episode 156

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model drift hello everybody welcome to podcasting 2.0 What

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is your weekly podcast? That's not a podcast is actually a

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board meeting that's right board meeting of podcasting 2.0 We are

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the only boardroom that meets even on national holidays

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American national holidays that is I'm Adam curry here in the

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heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama the man who will

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kill your rooster at the drop of a hat say hello to my friend on

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the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Day Jones

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Dave Jones: this extra long Thanksgiving moon yeah, I'm

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Adam Curry: I'm I'm all you know, I'm trying to get over the

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over the turkey. sleeping powder. What is it called?

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What's the stuff that in Turkey that makes you sleep? The

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tryptophan tryptophan they go. I'm on a trip to fan trip.

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Dave Jones: HT Rossa stuff called H TP five

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Adam Curry: is it Christ? St. st legal math. Yes, exactly. The

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route Dave Jones: the rooster thing was quite interesting. You know?

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We were originally going to eat chicken for Thanksgiving. Yes.

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Adam Curry: Because you have so many you've killed you horrible

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murder. Dave Jones: I dropped three of them this past week.

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Adam Curry: And you even have a term I dropped three of mud

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dropped you rooster? Wow. You are a Trad man right there.

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Dave Jones: So one of these roosters Well, one of these

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roosters I'm convinced I was possessed by a demon. Oh, do you

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know when when Jesus cast out the pigs demons out of Legion

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into the pendant Adam Curry: of pigs and they ran over the cliff? Yeah, yes, we

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Dave Jones: know that. We know this is possible that demons can

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go into animals and I think that that's what happened.

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Adam Curry: So where did it come from? Where was it before he got

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into the rooster? Dave Jones: That's a good question. I don't know. But

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whoever that guy is, he's feeling a lot better now. I

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wonder if I can find what this rooster looks like. It's like

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it's got this crazy. Like, the low out of feathers on the top

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of his head looks like a pom pom. Okay, so

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Adam Curry: they live with this. Wonder Dave Jones: if I can fund this. Okay, yeah, this this sort of

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looks like it. Unless you're gonna send me habia this

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Adam Curry: I'm excited I'm very excited to see your rooster show

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me your cock show title there we go. Oh, wow, that's an awesome

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looking rooster. Wow, that is crazy.

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Dave Jones: Here's another look at that guy. This is more

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accurate to what Adam Curry: dozers look those are funky man what a cute kind

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of cute dude in a way Dave Jones: no they're demonic they're no good they're no good.

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So this goes where

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Adam Curry: do you get these roosters from two people give them to you go by IMG go to the rooster Mart

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Dave Jones: we we get to this we've got every year the school

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that my wife used to teach they raised chickens from eggs and so

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the we get like when they're grown at the end of the year we

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get them we get their meat we get we get the chicks oh and we

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just finished raising them here. Yeah, we paste post this into

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the chat room so if I say is it to this so this rooster like

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crazy looking thing it can't see you see you know from the

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picture you see that? Yeah, yeah, so it can't see so it runs

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around like a maniac and it's it's got his chin lifted up so

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that it can so that he can see up from underneath his feathers.

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So it looks like a psycho all the time like in so I went out

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there to Adam Curry: killing him based upon appearance that that's kind

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of racist. It's not right.

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Dave Jones: It's chicken racist. Yes. It's we go out there to

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kill this thing. It's a maniac and we all hate it. It like

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attacks Adam Curry: your feet. Everyone's like dad go kill that

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thing. Dave Jones: Even my even my 13 year old she's like she's like

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God, you gotta kill that thing. So I go out there to kill it.

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And I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna kill three we got three. Now

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Adam Curry: when you go out there to kill what do they do? They look they go like, oh, oh, here he comes. Do They Know It?

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Do they know you're gonna you're gonna offer you're gonna drop

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them. Dave Jones: They don't. They don't know anything. They're

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stupid. And so they they're just like Hey, cool, what are you

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doing? Adam Curry: Hey, what are you doing with your hand on my neck?

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Man? Let's go. That's not cool, bro. Dave Jones: That's a really large knife you have what are

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you going to cut Adam Curry: his head off? I thought you I thought he just

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turned his neck just snapped. Dave Jones: I use this. This is the story. I used to had to use

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a different technique this time. So the first time I killed him,

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I did the neck break. And it was effective. And it was fine. And

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I mean, it's efficient. So I go. And of course, the first one I

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grabbed is this guy. And so I grabbed I got him. And you

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helped you sort of hold their body under your, like, be kind

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of, I guess, like hold them like a basketball under your arm. And

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then and then you make a ring with your fingers. Like you're

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racist. And then you get Adam Curry: a white a white nationalist? Is that where you

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live? Dave Jones: Okay, sounded like your wedding. And then you pull

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the head forward. And then until it won't go any further, and

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then you been the head back and yank as hard as you can forward.

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So it's like, it makes it just like a crunch. So I did that.

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Oh, God, it was fine. I mean, like it heard the crunch. It

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kind of you know, wiggled like they do when they die, and then

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hold it up. And its eyes are closed, and it's just completely

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limp. I'm like, alright, well, that's pretty easy. And

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Adam Curry: then he opened his eyes again and looked at you and went, bro.

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Dave Jones: You shouldn't have Adam Curry: done that. That's no good.

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Dave Jones: I'm like, okay, sorry. I'm Adam Curry: trying. I'm trying to find a sound effect. Not

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quite, not quite working on it. Dave Jones: So I'm going to Skull this chicken to make the

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feathers come off easier. You like dunk it in hot water. And

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that makes the feathers just kind of release, you know? Go

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and I'm like, Okay, I'm just I'm good. I'm good. I'm like, good

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time. So I I lay him down on our deck in a turn to go into the

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house. And it starts kind of flopping a little bit. Post

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death, you know? Yeah, sure. Up. Yes. And I'm like, Okay, well,

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that's normal. I mean, they do that. And then, but I keep

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looking at it. This thing all of a sudden, pops up on both feet

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and takes off back into the yard. Adam Curry: Oh, man, that must have been so freaky. This thing

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was dead Dave Jones: dude. It was totally dead. And it came back to life

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and then took off into the yard. And so then that's been the next

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20 minutes trying to catch this thing and it finally goes up

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under our deck. And our deck is only like, eight inches off the

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ground. I can't get it. I can't get any still

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Adam Curry: flopping around down there. Oh, yeah.

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Dave Jones: I mean, he's, he's like, half dead. Just kind of

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like, laying there with his head all weird. And I'm like, Oh my

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gosh, he's gonna die. This is Adam Curry: just gonna know this. We've lost all audiences

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at this point. Everyone's like, this is disgusting. I can't

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believe these guys are horrible. I can't advertise on this

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podcast. Dave Jones: No, you can't we're not brand safe. Or suitable. So

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get but get this. This is a fun story though. Because I'm like,

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Okay, fine. I'll come back to this to this thing later. And

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he'll probably be dead in a little while anyway. So I'll do

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the other two. So I spend the next hour and a half trying to

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catch the stupid roosters and I cannot do it man. It is like it

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is impossible to catch a rooster that does not want to be caught

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in a large yard. Especially Adam Curry: when it's already dead. This is very interesting.

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Yes, once Dave Jones: they die, then they become very hard to catch. But

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so I get so I finally I'm like you know what? To me and

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Marigold are both out there trying to catch these things. We

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can't catch him. I'm like, we can get our dog

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Adam Curry: out there. Banjo. Oh, yeah, but he's been he'll rip it apart once he gets it.

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Dave Jones: That's the fun part. Did did not do that. So Oh, but

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from us on my my dog has seats about 107 pounds now. Yeah, he's

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a great pair knees. So pure knees there. Guard guard dogs

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like farm garden? Yes. They don't hurt the animals by their

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nature. So he got out there and he's just kind of ignoring them.

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That's what he does. And then, but as he sees me chasing these

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things, and he's like, oh, Adam Curry: oh, we're

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Dave Jones: supposed to do. Okay. Okay, both. Yeah, exactly.

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So then he gets into it. He had these things called in 30

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seconds. Adam Curry: Wow. He's a bird dog. Who knew he's an undercover

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bird dog. Yeah. So Dave Jones: he runs one of them down corners and just steps on

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his wing and just holds it and looks at me. I'm like, good boy.

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Adam Curry: Good boy. Yeah. So

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Dave Jones: So I grabbed them. So I had made the dino the

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killing cone. Do you know that? Yes.

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Adam Curry: Yes. Well, you just saw Pull it through the cone and

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the head goes off and you're good to go. Yes, I've

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Dave Jones: seen rice. So I made the cone. I made a cone at a

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sheet metal hanging on the tree. You flip them upside down and

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drop their head down through the bottom of the cone. And then you

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take a super sharp knife you pull the neck in. Yep, yep. And

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then the blood drains out. They're dead in like 30 seconds.

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Yeah. And it's very humane. It's a great way to do the after

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Adam Curry: you chase them around with a broken neck for half an hour. It's very humane Dave.

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Dave Jones: It's beautiful. To learn to learn learning.

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Adam Curry: Sounds very rookie to me. I don't know. It doesn't

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sound like you're a pro. Dave Jones: I will admit I will totally admit my rookie status

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on this. It's so I ended up with so I banjo catches one. Dispatch

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in the cone. Good. Throw them in the in the throw the chicken in

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the wheelbarrow. Next one catches it. Cone. Wheelbarrow.

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Good to go. Like this. This is like I'm an expert now. Yeah. So

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then we get a big ol stick and get this thing out. Get the last

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one the psycho when we get him out from under the deck. Banjo

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catches him. I take him I stick him in the cone. And give him

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about I don't know about a minute he stops stops moving.

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And then some neighbors come by and start talking to them for a

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while. That's been about 20 minutes I go back to the cone.

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Started to pull him out with his legs. And he starts kicking.

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He's still alive. Wow. Adam Curry: Well not live. It's just like his nerves or

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whatever. Right? It's just whatever keeps him Dave Jones: No, no, it is no Adam. It is still alive. Okay,

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that that's Adam Curry: possessed. That's possessed demon when he's

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looking at you snipped his head off. Dave Jones: No, no, the head was still on it bled out from the

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front leg. And he's his eyes are like kicking around looking at

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me like he's like. Adam Curry: Alright, now you creeping me out now now. It's

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gone too far Dave Jones: to go full off of the head. You know, like, like,

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full full full bore to finally kill this thing. It would not

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die. It was it was motivated. Like, you know, you're gonna say

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your eyes or window into the soul. Yeah. You can't see this

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chicken's eyes. So clearly it has no no

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Adam Curry: so clear. Yeah, it's obvious. It was it was animated

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Dave Jones: and motivated by spiritual forces. That we don't

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understand. That's how creepy it was. It creeped me out so bad

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that I didn't even need it. We just used it for for bone broth,

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man. Yeah, so you learn something every Thanksgiving.

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Like hey Adam Curry: citizen says my grandparents used to do the five

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head technique of dipping the chicken above the fermenting

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wine in the oak barrel until it fell asleep. That sounds like a

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good idea. Dave Jones: At first, they made a drunk I guess Yeah, that's a

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good thing. The next time we'll be some will

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Adam Curry: be smooth, smooth. I think we should use these

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pictures though. The one of these this should be our mascot

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or logo. I mean, I'm liking this this crazy rooster

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Dave Jones: with the with the with the RSS waves coming off?

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Adam Curry: Oh, we'll just call it No, we'll make that the podcast industrial complex mascot. There you go. The

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possessed chicken possessed. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy

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Thanksgiving brother. So what did you eat? Did you have

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chicken? Or did you have turkey? Or what did you have? Dave Jones: No, we're, we went to my parents house last night

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and ate and ate some ham over there. And then we're gonna have

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like, I got a heart out at one o'clock today. So my kids are

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coming over. We're going Oh, nice. family dinner. We have ham

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again. Here. Oh, nice. Adam Curry: Nice. Yeah. Okay, well, we're what you'll do?

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Well, we went to the Yeah, international arms dealer. He

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hosted a dinner. It was Yeah, he does a lot of real estate deals

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to some real estate people there. It's kind of interesting

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to hear a little bit of that. And we played left, right

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center. You know, we all have $9 And then you roll three dice,

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and then it's either left right center. And so if you or, or

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a.if. It's a dot and nothing happens. If it's left you have

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to give $1 to the person's left to you if it's right one to the

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right. And if it's center, you put one into the pot and you

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keep doing this till eventually the pot is full and one person

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is left over with money and that person wins the pot.

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Dave Jones: It's kind of fun. It's the arms dealer. So you did

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it with 100 Adam Curry: So I was of course hundies That's right baby. The

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arms dealer the Dave Jones: party The party favors at this guy's like

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uranium depleted 1.6 millimeter I made I made

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Adam Curry: the joke of like hey, you know we're gambling

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here we got booze we need some guns like okay brings out all

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kinds of guns like nah, it's all right, bro.

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Dave Jones: decal on the tape playing. Adam Curry: This one belongs to Jesse James like okay, all

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right. Yeah, he had some he had some Cool, cool, cool firearms.

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Nice. Ah, I was trying to think, wrote down a whole bunch of

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stuff to talk about today. We don't obviously don't have to

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talk about it. I'm just glad we're doing a little update for

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everybody. Even though it's a different time. I think it's good that we stay. It's always good. Adam Curry's number one

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rule of podcast, people always ask me, what is the number one

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rule? So the number one rule is you should always release your

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show on the same day at approximately the same time,

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which I don't I'm not very good at that myself, to be honest,

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particularly with Mr. Graham ball was like a floating thing

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in the middle for me. But that is the number one that is the

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number one thing because people start to build their life around

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your release schedule, whether you realize it or not. Yeah.

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Dave Jones: And then we find that out every time we miss a

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show. It's like, oh, Adam Curry: yeah, people are wonder I don't know what to do

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with my Friday. I'm like, go out. You go to a bar. We can

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think of some things you can do. I actually noticed something.

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Just kind of something interesting happening. That that

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just hit me today as I was listening to. Who's the guy from

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pod? page.com. He was on Brendan Brendan. Yeah, it was nice guy.

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I use pod page for a couple of my couple of my shows. And it's,

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it's great for someone like Adam me. Like it just I don't have to

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think about anything I just publish. And as long as I can

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get all the publishing right, which is a challenge by itself,

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then it just updates on that page. And it's cool. But he now

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okay, Michelle, step back for a second work. So we have to full

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blown podcasting 2.0 native a column native hosting companies

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are says blue.com and pod home.fm. And then we have legacy

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companies in various degrees of I'd hate to call a compliance

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but in various in In fact, I was reminded, for some reason, I

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thought that Buzzsprout did value blocks. And I was

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corrected on that. Like, wow, it just it? I don't know if it just

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I thought their support. Yeah, and they can't do splits or

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anything like that. So Oh, okay. Yeah, I guess that is true.

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rss.com does support the value block? UI? Yeah, in the UI. And

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of course, blueberry supports a lot. And I would say of the of

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the legacy hosting companies. Blueberry, has probably come

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along the furthest. But we've seen this. So yeah, so then we

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have the 2.0 native, which I really enjoy, because, you know,

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all of a sudden, music hosting is a thing, boom, they've got

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music. But blueberry started with the podcast, mirror.com

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service, which is really smart. You know, it's kind of a an

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interim step that for for stuff that and it has its downsides,

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but it's, you know, it's a it's good. I don't know, I'm curious

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how successful it is. But it's a good kind of a, I guess, what do

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you call that a shim? In a way? Is that kind of a shim?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. But a different way. Yeah. Sort of

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like it a different layer in the stack? Yeah. Now,

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Adam Curry: just so I understand, when they use the

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2.0, what this podcast Mera Kaam, takes your existing fee,

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turns it into a 2.0 compliant fee, you can add stuff in there,

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including a value block at the channel level, do they then

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change automatically your podcast in the index to that

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feed, so that the 2.0 apps will get the updated feed without

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having to, you know, put redirects and stuff like that?

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Or we're in you know, or have two feeds basically, in the

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index? Does that make sense? What I'm asking?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, I think they do a redirect. Oh, they

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Adam Curry: do. That's it? Dave Jones: I think. So. See, because here, here's what

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happens. I'm not sure what to get some clarification from Todd

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and Mike. Because what happens with these sorts of services is

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that if you let's, let's say that you're on Lipson, and

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you're going to switch the pin, you're gonna use podcast mirror,

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as your new feed URL, so that you can get 2.0 tags. If you if

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you do a 301 on birth, 302 on your Lipson feed, it redirects

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okay. Yes, mirror fee, which redirects back to your to your

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lips and feet. But you know, like it because the, because the

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the podcast mirror feed is trying to get the Lipson feed so

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that it can do its so that so that it can pull the content.

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But if if podcast mirror is trying to hit the 301, every

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time it requests the Lipson feed back, trying to get it back to

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itself, it can't ever get the original feed. So you can't do I

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don't think you can do a three a one or a 302 on the original

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Lipson feed in that scenario because it messes up the mirror

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server This Adam Curry: does that means that you don't want us to have a

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loop. But that means that someone has to then have a

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duplicate feed in the index one that is their old Lipson, and

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then one that is in this example. And then what is their

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podcast mirror feed? Correct? Dave Jones: Well, they don't have to have it, they would end

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up initially with a duplicate, but they would that would should

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resolve once they change it in sort of like these dashboards,

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like their Apple podcast dashboard and stuff like that.

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Adam Curry: Right. Right. But but we don't have a dashboard

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for the index of them that they will wind up ultimately with

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two. So that's a dupe. But it's a dupe with one upgraded feed

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and one, quote unquote, deprecated, free feed?

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Dave Jones: Yes. Adam Curry: So should should it be something that we offer to a

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service like podcast mirror that they can then talk to the API

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and say, Hey, deprecate this one, this is the the mirror one

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is that something that we should consider doing? Dave Jones: This is, this is hard, because, you know, here,

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here's the issue, if we had a sort of green field, expectation

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for the index was supposed to be like, if we didn't care about

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what literally anybody else was doing. We would be, we could

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afford to be super aggressive with deduplication. Like, when I

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say super aggressive, I mean, automated, like a fiend, you

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know. And so then we would take every every redirect, and update

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it. Every point, essentially, every pointer from an old feed

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to a new feed, we would follow that, that thread and update the

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feed URL. But we can't be that aggressive because we also

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exists to service and maintain compatibility with apps that do

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use Apple as their as their main directory. So we we function as

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we function in the role of fallback for things like

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overcast, right, Adam Curry: but but having the 2.0 feeds won't break those

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apps. Dave Jones: No, it won't. But we can't, we can't automatically

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follow redirects, because sometimes what happens is the

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redirect says go here. And Apple podcasts still doesn't is not

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they have not changed it. So Apple podcasts has the old URL,

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even though their their URL is even though that URL is a

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redirect. Adam Curry: Okay, so then when the fallback happens, they won't

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be able to find what they're looking for the wrong feed. URL.

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Here's, here's why I'm bringing this up. Maybe that'll be

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easier. I'm seeing as is typical, when when there's a

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hunger for something. I'm seeing these me pod fans. Sam, Seth,

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he's I'm not quite sure exactly what he's doing. But he is. It

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looks like he's building a podcast mirror type service.

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He's ingesting feeds. And then he's, he has since his since pod

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fans, basically has every tag everything that's ever existed

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in the in the universe, is what he's saying to me. And we got a

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nice update email from today. What he's saying, if that he

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will make that exportable. So you can then so basically, it's

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a podcast mirror service. And I just heard forgot his name

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again. Brandon, Brendan, Brendan, Brendan and Brandon

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Brandon. Dave Jones: I think it's Brendan Brendan. I Adam Curry: think it's I just heard Brendan, I think I heard

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him say that they are going there. Also, I was considering

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or it's a done deal. He also wants to offer podcast mirroring

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service, so that you can then add those feeds, and then our ad

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add those items, and then output that feed to somewhere else. It

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just seems like there's a there's a desire to have 2.0

24:05

features that is going much faster than the hosting

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companies can or will do. What

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Dave Jones: features was he talking about? Specifically? Ah,

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Adam Curry: I think it was like, I don't really remember. But

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I'll have to go back and listen, but it just I wrote it down.

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Because like, Oh, that's interesting, because I'm seeing

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we have podcast mirror.com We have pod fans, you know, Sam is

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either doing this already or saying he's going to do it. And

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then whatever Brendon was doing, it just seems like there's the

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people are moving fast and the legacy hosting companies are not

24:41

keeping up. Which is okay, but I just want to identify it because

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people want this so badly, apparently, whether it's just

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the apps or their customers want, I'm not sure. But they're

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creating these, which not really, I don't think it works

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and it's great, but it's not really the right way to do it.

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Dave Jones: Well, this brings up a larger discussion about just

25:06

in general, how do we, how do we know which podcasts go with

25:15

which URLs like this? You know, this, this is just the problem

25:19

within podcasting. And it always has been is like, you have to

25:23

sort of independent like identities for what the podcast

25:32

is. So when people talk about a podcast, they talk about, you

25:35

know, what I want to go do is listen to, I want to get

25:40

listened to no agenda. And, but that sort of so so there's this

25:46

sort of existence of this thing that's called no agenda, that's

25:50

a podcast, but then that that thing has to live somewhere and

25:54

they don't know. It's like talking about Twitter versus

25:57

twitter.com. Like, or x versus Twitter doc, like, is it you

26:03

have x the service? And that's where I want to go? But is it

26:07

edx.com? Is [email protected]? What like, what, right, so then

26:10

there's this always there's been this disconnect forever within

26:13

podcasting? You know, the long term solution that we came up

26:18

with was the goo was these good references. Where it's a born,

26:23

you know, what's the podcast is born it fought these guys follow

26:26

it everywhere. But then somebody has to aggregate that somewhere,

26:30

and we're doing it. But there's, it's, you know, there's still

26:34

this sort of, like gap between, like, how do I take a podcast

26:40

and then find out where the podcast feed is? And that's not

26:45

as straightforward of an answer as it ought to be. Right? I

26:49

mean, app, because because Apple stuff is a mess. We get

26:54

criticized for duplicates, and rightly so. I mean, every every

26:57

directory has the struggle to some extent. But the I mean, if

27:02

you look at Apple stuff, they're they're an absolute mess, too. I

27:06

mean, they've got so much just bad data there have feed URLs

27:11

that yeah, that that don't exist anymore. And stuff, then

27:16

multiple podcast with the same URL. This is just generally

27:21

speaking, this is a complex problem. Yeah. Yeah, that has

27:25

always existed in the podcasting. And I'm not exactly

27:27

sure how to fix it. Adam Curry: But I guess maybe, maybe what I should be saying is

27:33

none of these mirroring things are a good idea. I mean, get a

27:36

native host or get your, if you want a certain feature, I mean,

27:40

I'm just seeing these apps mature. So now I'm very excited

27:43

about what I'm seeing. I don't really do beta apps anymore. I

27:47

just I don't have the time for it. I can you get me something

27:51

in production, I'd have pretty much all of them. I'll use it.

27:54

And I can say, Oh, I found something. I know it'd be better if I do that in beta. But I'm very excited to see what would

28:01

pod versus going to do with music. I saw Oscar that, you

28:05

know, he's, he's optimizing. There's all kinds of old code

28:09

and stuff. So hopefully, that'll make stuff faster. I see what

28:12

Jason is doing with podcast guru. You know, this, there's a

28:16

lot, there's a lot of a lot of development, a lot of

28:18

streamlining a lot of cleaning up and these apps are getting

28:21

better. They really are. They're becoming good as apps.

28:27

Dave Jones: I'm gonna disagree a little bit on the idea that you

28:30

like not to use the mirror services. I kind of think that

28:33

that's a cool idea. Because then it sort of gets an indirection

28:41

like you can change hosts 100 times and you never have to

28:45

actually update any directories right

28:49

Adam Curry: until you know what helped with the dangers until

28:52

someone decides Well, I'm done with this mirroring service. I'm

28:55

tired of it. I'm pulling the plug. And then you're then

28:57

you're really up shits Creek? Dave Jones: That was Yeah, I guess I would say, to mitigate

29:03

against that you choose carefully. Well, she's a company

29:07

that's been around a long time like Adam Curry: Google. I mean, yeah, we all did that with

29:10

Google. And we use what was that? What's the service

29:13

everyone? Bernard Feedburner. Yeah, they bought Feedburner.

29:16

And then they kind of let it die. And they resurrected it a

29:20

bit, and it's scary. It's Andrew Horowitz? Who would who wants to

29:25

be on 2.0 He can't bring himself to find the time to figure out

29:29

how to actually get off of Feedburner.

29:33

Dave Jones: So we have that, you know, we bought this domain a

29:36

long time ago called move your podcast.com. Really? Yes. Yeah,

29:42

we own that. It was just a lark. I just had a had an idea like

29:46

maybe one day this would be helpful. And I would love to

29:49

have a service that it lives at move your podcast.com where you

29:54

can say it's just a self service dashboard where you can say

29:58

look, I'm going to move from Lipson to Buzzsprout and here's

30:03

my feed your here's my feed at Lipson, here's my feet at

30:06

Buzzsprout. And then all this thing does is takes the GUID

30:12

produces a produces an update that other directories can

30:17

ingest. Once it verifies that the podcast has moved, which

30:21

Adam Curry: we do with the email address in your feed. Oh, I'm

30:24

sorry. Dave Jones: No, not anymore. But like just a basic a simple

30:31

service that helps everybody makes sense out of the chaos of

30:35

moving in. I don't know it's it was just

30:41

Adam Curry: sounds like the one race. That's why we still have

30:43

the domain name and nothing's happened with it's a great idea

30:46

when we can't even get a monitor for our own API setup. Busy. Oh,

30:51

we got one. We do. Yeah, you asked and it appeared.

30:56

Dave Jones: Yep. That's how it goes. Archie for from the who's

31:01

the part time sysadmin for pod verse and Mitch his crew. Oh,

31:05

really? Oh, that's cool. Oh, he had an he had some monitoring

31:09

setup. Using uptime Kuma that?

31:13

Adam Curry: Oh, right. Right. Right. That's the I Am I think I

31:16

might start nine even I have that thing. I've never used it.

31:19

Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Yeah, he had a system set up for pod

31:23

verse. And he's like, Hey, you want me add a couple API calls

31:26

to this just to check yours? stuff at same time? Are they

31:30

Yeah, sure. So he added it in there and then set it up to

31:33

email alert. If something goes down. It's we're good to go. Oh,

31:37

Adam Curry: excellent. Okay, I take it back. I guess, maybe

31:41

we're where we should be going. As you know, there was a sam se

31:46

suggested a badge, a badge, a 2.0 badge, and which, of course,

31:52

always devolves into the well that can't say certified because

31:55

there's no such thing, and bla bla bla bla bla, I would like to

31:59

recommend to, to the apps, you know, you got to learn how to do

32:05

a little bit of marketing, you know, making an app is one

32:08

thing. Your number one marketer is the podcast hosts podcasters

32:12

podcasters market your stuff, I am very careful to always

32:16

promote podcast apps.com I often recommend a podcast app or no

32:23

agenda. I know it works, because Mitch is seeing the seeing the

32:27

the increase. I've been doing it recently with a podcast guru

32:33

just kind of rotating thing. But a podcast app guys, you know,

32:37

reach out to a podcaster. And, you know, consider having a

32:40

featured tab or something where, you know, it's it doesn't have

32:44

to be a democracy, you're allowed to do commerce. You

32:49

know, I think you're I even told an artist, I said, Hey, you

32:53

know, if these apps are now starting to do music, why don't

32:56

you talk to some of these apps? And say, Can I get a a featured

32:59

position somewhere? And and what kind of value would you like for

33:04

that and exchange, maybe, maybe a piece of of a value block. I

33:08

mean, it's, there's this kind of even Steven Honest Abe type vibe

33:15

that that has existed in podcasting, which, of course,

33:18

you know, the big guys don't do that don't give a crap. You

33:21

know, Spotify will G will highlight their own stuff. It's

33:24

time to start thinking that way. You know, it's like, Hey, if

33:28

you're going to, if you're going to feature this podcast, have

33:30

that podcast, talk about your app. That's the way that is the

33:36

most powerful way to get people to use new apps, not I don't

33:39

think badges on websites have that much of an impact. There's

33:42

already a lot of stuff going on a lot of flashy, colori stuff.

33:46

But when you're listening to a podcast, and that host says,

33:49

Hey, could you please use a modern podcast app? And here's

33:52

why. And the number one reason I give is, well, I always say I

33:57

always say in conjunction with you can you get an alert when we

34:00

go live, and the app will update within 90 seconds, give me

34:06

publishing. So instead of waiting on Apple or Spotify and

34:09

waiting an hour and a half or whatever, maybe doesn't update

34:12

for a day things happen, you'll get an immediate notification,

34:16

that kind of stuff. And then I'll say, you know, hey, these,

34:19

because we always have new album art and said, If you want to see

34:22

all of them, just get a modern podcast app, look at the

34:24

chapters and you'll see it flipping by while you're driving

34:26

in the car distracting you continuously. These are great

34:31

ways to get your, your your app promoted and to promote 2.0.

34:36

Dave Jones: So this is a pretty interesting discussion, because

34:40

if you think about what an app would need in order in order to

34:45

sort of jump on the scene, I guess. The the things that come

34:53

to mind are live. Yep, pod paying.

34:59

Adam Curry: Which we just call 92nd update, I mean, pod no one

35:02

understand the term pod ping. But yeah, quick update, right?

35:06

Dave Jones: Like, if you jump on board with those two things

35:08

without added Adam Curry: value for value, I mean, that's it. Another big

35:12

one. Dave Jones: Favorite yo, there's like a few of these little

35:16

things. And I think I think it kind of starts with a live

35:19

honestly. Because if you think about the people who would the

35:22

podcasters, that would do live, they're usually really hardcore

35:27

and willing, they're hardcore to technical. And they're willing

35:32

to what they want is for people to listen to them live, if you

35:37

have a live podcaster. Okay, that's what I'm trying to think

35:40

of. So you're looking for a synergy between what you want as

35:43

an app developer and what the podcast or wants as a podcaster.

35:49

And if you can find where the synergy is, like live is a

35:54

perfect example. But as a podcaster, who does a live

35:58

stream. They really want people to listen to them live, it's,

36:03

it's important. I want it, we do this live show. And I want lots

36:07

of people listening because it really, it gives a lot of energy

36:11

to the show and makes you gives you a lot of feedback.

36:14

Adam Curry: But it's still limited number of pod. I agree

36:17

with you. I just I'm just saying much. From a much broader

36:20

perspective. Any podcast can talk about some of the other

36:25

features some of the other benefits of using a 2.0 app. And

36:30

Dave Jones: Oscar with fountain he found his effect, he

36:33

Adam Curry: totally found it. Yep, exactly. He found he found

36:36

his his energy. Initially, that's what we see the thing is,

36:41

pod verse started initially, I think, because it was the wasn't

36:46

that Eclipse was not what, what what Mitch wanted initially was,

36:50

you know, he wanted an app that did better clipping. Yes, not

36:54

mistaken. So that's great. But you need to get the podcasters

36:59

talking about your app. That's, that's the thing. That's how we

37:03

move this forward. podcasters have to be telling their

37:07

audiences tried to and we're at a point now, where there's

37:12

enough robustness in these apps that people aren't disappointed,

37:16

because the in the beginning it was definitely like, well, you know, I miss my my time three times. Speed I miss you know,

37:23

this, I missed that. There's still people who miss, you know,

37:26

certain or they won't leave an app, you some people won't even

37:29

app because it does your volume boost, you know, stuff like

37:32

that. It's very timers, name timers, yes, stuff like that.

37:35

It's really important. Now, they're usually the most vocal,

37:38

I don't think they're, you know, that all people think that way.

37:41

Most people are just like, I'm fine with my Apple app, it

37:44

works. So then find those, find those things that your app is

37:48

particularly good at. And so pod verse works great with, with

37:53

alerts, and, and it's updated very quickly through the pod

37:56

ping mechanism. But then reach out to podcast hosts reach out

38:00

to the podcasters and say, hey, I'll give you a feature. If you

38:04

mentioned my app. I mean, this is the kind of stuff we need to

38:07

be thinking about. Dave Jones: Yet build to if you're when you're a developer

38:12

build to a build to what somebody wants. Find out what

38:18

your what if your podcast app, find out what find a set of

38:24

podcasts podcasters that want a certain thing, build your app

38:31

feature to the thing that they are wanting. And then you have a

38:36

built in advertiser you have built in advertising. Yeah. Is

38:42

the same way with pod with podcasts. And I think it's

38:46

easier to do that than it is to do it with podcast listeners.

38:50

Because most because of the like you said the most the podcast

38:53

listeners, the ones that are really vocal about certain

38:56

features. They're usually not representative of the masses.

39:02

Their peers will Adam Curry: people will go to the end of the earth to do

39:07

something their pot their favorite podcast, or ask them to

39:10

do they buy stupid products they don't even need because the

39:13

podcaster says, hey, buy this product. Here's my code. So when

39:18

someone says try out this app, I really like it. And I like it

39:22

because hey, I'm featured even if it's just that I'm featured

39:25

this month, tell a friend etc. The podcast the podcaster has

39:31

the power and apps have always tried to go to the listener.

39:36

Yeah, I was like well, those are my users. Yeah, they're either

39:38

you use they're your users, but they're really only complainers.

39:42

the only the only gonna tell you it sucks. That's that's the main

39:47

reason you get but asking the podcasters themselves and do a

39:53

business deal. You know, it can be it doesn't know money has to

39:57

change hands, but it can be a great way A to give the

40:01

podcaster a benefit of being featured, or whatever, whatever

40:05

it is. Dave Jones: Yeah, I think that's a, I think that's a great point

40:12

because you just have to find you have to find some. I don't

40:18

know. You have to you have to put a rock in somebody's shoe.

40:22

Yes, yes, no. And the way you do that is, is you find your you

40:28

find your gap, you find that gap, and you meet a need. And

40:33

then, and also, when you're meeting a need, that's been this

40:37

clear. And then sort of that you can see, it's easier to build,

40:42

build a feature. If you just build a feature, sort of like in

40:45

a, in a clean room for where you don't have an actual live real

40:51

world example of the thing you're trying to solve.

40:55

Sometimes it gets muddy, and you're not actually solving it

41:00

in the way that you don't have enough feedback. You just don't

41:05

have enough feedback from the from the people you're trying to

41:08

solve the problem for because they're not there's not any.

41:11

Yeah, exactly. You're just writing to a spec. You're not

41:13

actually writing to solve a problem. Yes. Adam Curry: It was like this. This Ainsley Costello just loud

41:20

concert in Minneapolis that's coming up that's going to be

41:22

lit, which is very much which will be built on the work that I

41:27

think certainly Mitch did for the pod con Mexico. They're

41:32

going to do it lit. Looks like that's going to happen. And

41:35

everyone now oh, wait a minute. So that's actually podcasting.

41:38

2.0 that's sending those Satoshis Oh, okay. Yeah, we

41:40

should probably talk to those guys. So finally, Dobby Dawson,

41:43

I think is doing the RSS feed. And I'm not sure it looks like

41:48

it's all gonna gonna work out. And so that'll be a lit live

41:53

show with streaming value for value. Believe me, you what you

41:57

want is you want Ainsley Costello out there promoting the

42:01

apps that will work. Yes. And so reach out. It's it's not hard to

42:06

find her manager. That's not hard to find. And get in touch

42:10

with Julie and say, Hey, we're going to be featuring this.

42:13

We're going to be showing it live. Please have Ainsley and

42:18

they also need to do their work and not be just like, oh, yeah,

42:22

it's gonna be a screaming No, the here's the podcast apps that

42:25

is going to is guaranteed going to work on because those apps

42:28

are dedicated to making it work. Dave Jones: Yeah, you can see the the apps and the hosting

42:36

companies that have a sort of a real purpose that they're trying

42:40

to solve, because they have they have a real clear path forward

42:45

in front of them. Yes, they do identify a thing, and then they

42:48

then they write, they, they identify a thing, then they

42:52

build something that solves that problem. Adam Curry: Yes. And I'm excited. I'm excited to see even

42:57

with these with these native 2.0 and I'm gonna add blueberry in

43:01

there with the native 2.0 hosting companies. You know,

43:05

they get it they're built, they're building something new

43:08

and this is where the the artists are going to go. And,

43:12

and I'm telling you, wave Lake has got to fix their booster

43:15

gram stuff. Because people it may be easy, but people hear

43:21

about stuff and like wow, how come I'm not seeing booster

43:24

grams? How come I can't do this? How come I can't do that.

43:27

Dave Jones: So when you say fix the bridge grim stuff, you're I

43:29

think you're talking about the fact that the wave like artists

43:33

can't see their messages. Adam Curry: Well, interestingly enough, I found out that if you

43:37

go to the artists page, you will see booster grams coming through

43:42

as comments identified as key send zero sets. So the boosted

43:48

gram comes through. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that mean? Well, that

43:52

means is that means that they're showing the booster gram as a

43:55

comment so that they've made the connection. And so it's a it's a

43:59

public comment, which is great. But then it shows zero SATs and

44:03

literally says zero SATs. And it says from ki Sen, where it could

44:07

say, this is the podcast and I'm not going to accuse anything but

44:12

being it looks like obfuscation, say why don't you just add the

44:16

field that came from this podcast link or this episode

44:19

link? And here's the number of sets. But it doesn't seem like

44:24

that's a lot of extra work if you're already bringing through

44:27

the booster gram. Dave Jones: So it's odd to me that it wouldn't show the total

44:33

that came like Adam Curry: because they've chosen not to. I think that

44:38

that's that seems like a choice. And it looks dumb

44:42

Dave Jones: or a bug or not Adam Curry: because the okay could be a bug. But you're

44:46

already pointing in there. From Keith and you're already taking

44:50

the the booster Graham TLV. Why not just put in there it came. I

44:55

mean, are we so horrified to say that it comes from a podcast is

45:00

or is it just no time, I don't understand it. And that's half

45:05

the fun, half the. So now I'm on booster Grand Ball saying,

45:09

Please, in your message, put the amount of Satoshis you sent and

45:14

tell him where you were where this was from that this was from

45:17

booster gram ball episode 15. I shouldn't have to do that

45:22

Dave Jones: as odd if Michael or Sam, let, shoot, if you don't

45:27

mind, shoot me a message tell me what that's about. Because if

45:30

there's something because I can think you could say that, well,

45:35

I don't trust the SAT total that's in the TLV because that's

45:39

our because that can be manipulated. But then the

45:43

invoice itself should be settled. And that is not, that's

45:48

not manipulatable Adam Curry: another another big thing is the actual on this.

45:54

This is very clear even value for value dot info. A big part

45:59

of value for value is the numerology of it. So when

46:03

sending you 333 777-719-4869 69 I mean it can go on and on. It's

46:11

a big part of the fun is, is you're robbing people of joy

46:19

killing their roosters, I can understand that they don't want

46:23

to confuse people because they take their 10% but I mean, how

46:26

confusing is it? It's like okay, I see what caveman I just have

46:30

to subtract 10% in my head. That's fine. I don't think

46:33

people be mad about that. But you know when I when I hear

46:37

that, Michael the guy from First Avenue Avenue one First Avenue,

46:42

I think the venue in in Minneapolis. You know, he was

46:48

used at noster Asia Nastasya saying, yeah, now I'm working

46:53

with Adam curry. And those guys, we're gonna get the live stream

46:55

up. And then I see the using zap streams with has which has

46:57

nothing to do with what we're talking about. And I see big

47:01

shows getting, you know, 200 SATs, streaming with two people

47:07

watching and like not well knew maybe you want to, and he just

47:10

didn't know. People don't know what they don't know. They don't

47:14

know. And when and when they're on when we're onboarding people

47:17

that don't know that hey, there's this is how the system

47:20

is working. Which should be everybody should be happy about

47:25

it. Just feels weird.

47:29

Dave Jones: It, it feels weird. to It feels weird to show zero.

47:35

To show zero like yeah, just don't show it at all. I mean,

47:38

just say that. It's a comment, like Adam Curry: I don't know. It's weird. It's weird. Let me see if

47:46

I can get so Joe Martin. Thank you. And I know Joe Martin, who?

47:51

People just don't know, he did this hour long interview and

47:54

podcasting wasn't mentioned once. And I think that he's the

47:59

he's the first song we played and sent him hundreds of 1000s

48:02

of SATs or I should say Dred Scott did. And like, does he

48:07

just not know where it's coming from? Dave Jones: I don't know. I'm

48:14

Adam Curry: here via Kison pod. This is pod pod fans even worse

48:17

pod fans payment doesn't even have a name.

48:22

Dave Jones: And now that's not fans payment that's that's is

48:25

that a booster game? Or is that just a stream?

48:27

Adam Curry: Who knows? Here via key send via key send via it's

48:31

like this? No, no. Wow, that that must be a stream somehow.

48:35

That's probably Sam sending streams as boosts who knows.

48:40

Like very collapsing. It's very cool. Okay, so

48:43

Dave Jones: So zaps show via zap. And I guess. Better and I

48:50

guess podcast boosts would say via key send.

48:56

Adam Curry: Actually looks like they've dropped the zero SATs

49:00

thing now. Dave Jones: Oh, okay.

49:02

Adam Curry: I guess they've dropped that. Dave Jones: Let's see unlucky that via zap via zap via key

49:07

send. Okay, so that's the that's just telling you this Tony where

49:13

it came from, but it's not showing you the app? Adam Curry: Or the app or the show or the episode?

49:19

Dave Jones: Yeah. So that I mean, that's that's in there. I

49:22

would say that. A good thing to do. These guys is for Michael

49:27

and Sam is to pull that other to have me show. I don't know. I

49:32

don't know how nostrils zapping works. I don't understand. I

49:36

guess I think there would be a disconnect. Maybe you can't tell

49:42

the originating app. So if you're in Dominus in use app,

49:46

this app is actually coming from your like for your wallet or

49:51

your wallet like that. Yeah, kicks you over there to actually

49:54

do things and maybe maybe you lose that information but at the

49:57

TLV and Scott Adam Curry: so much busy on record. Yeah, we shouldn't take

50:00

it if you pull out the booster Graham then you're seeing you're

50:03

seeing the key send record. Yeah, Dave Jones: I would love for that. I would love to see that

50:06

things say instead of via keys instead of via pod verse yeah by

50:10

podcast fountain. Adam Curry: How about the podcast? Episode that is from

50:17

that mean that would really help. That mean I understand you

50:21

would like the app I'd like someone say oh, that's from

50:23

booster Rambo. What is that? Oh, what is that thing? is weird.

50:32

This weird? Dave Jones: Is a pirate radio. Just looking through here and

50:39

see. Yeah, Adam Curry: it hasn't looked something strange. Yeah, yeah,

50:43

something's changed. I don't know. I don't see the so maybe

50:46

they're working on it's possible Dave Jones: by case and by case of as it's so much. Yeah, the

50:51

pod fans payment pod fans payment thought Adam Curry: was pretty funny.

50:56

Dave Jones: That, that that's from 1116. So that's recent.

51:00

Yeah. That's fairly recent. So that's got it. I bet you that's

51:03

their streaming. Payment? Adam Curry: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

51:10

Speaking Dave Jones: speaking of this sort of native podcasting 2.0

51:17

hosting related issues. I've got the first pod roll product.

51:25

Ingestion product. Yeah. Ready to Roll? Yes. The if you go to,

51:31

Adam Curry: here we go. Dave Jones: https colon slash slash? Public dot podcast.

51:39

index.org. Okay. Slash recommendations dot JSON. Hold

51:44

Adam Curry: on a second. Yes. Hold on.

51:49

Dave Jones: Holding. Okay, I'm holding Adam Curry: what public? Public dot podcast index.org/public dod

52:00

Dave Jones: podcast index.org/recommendations.

52:06

Adam Curry: Recommendations. Dave Jones: Data JSON.

52:09

Adam Curry: dot JSON. Dave Jones: Okay, Justin. Okay. Yes.

52:12

Adam Curry: What do I get? Do I get a big JSON file? Let's see.

52:16

It's crunching Oh, the oh, it has popularity score. What is

52:21

this? Yes. Dave Jones: Through the through the, through the mix here

52:29

Adam Curry: was quite large. This, this five very large, yes.

52:33

Dave Jones: This is a list of all of the shows that have

52:40

appeared in a pod roll. So if somebody put their pod roll, if

52:46

somebody put a pod roll in their feed, we're aggregating all

52:49

that. And then sorting it in descending order by popularity,

52:54

which that popularity number Adam Curry: is number of times that appears in a pod roll. Yes,

53:00

the Dave Jones: number of pod rolls it has appeared in Oh,

53:03

Adam Curry: that's a good way to game the system. It is it is so

53:07

like that. Dave Jones: Let me run down the properties here. So you get

53:11

popularity, which is what we just described, you have the

53:13

feed ID, which is this podcast index feed ID of this feed that

53:19

was recommended. You've got the GU ID of the feed, which is

53:25

recommended. You've got the title of that feed, the URL, the

53:31

feed URL, you've got the artwork or the album or the seed? Did

53:37

you have source feed ID in source Feed URL? So that's the

53:41

podcast index ID, where it came from that had the pod role in

53:45

it. Yeah. And then the source and then the URL of that feed

53:49

which was the source of this recommendation. Then you have

53:53

recommended host and recommender host so interesting. Recommended

53:59

host is the whole the the top level domain or it's not TLD

54:08

it's the domain of the hosting platform where this recommended

54:17

feed Adam Curry: lives and then the recommender host is the the host

54:21

that has the feed that has the recommendation I would say

54:23

popularity is probably a misnomer.

54:27

Dave Jones: What was what should that be like hits or something?

54:30

Adam Curry: instances I mean it the popularity doesn't mean that

54:34

oh, this is a popular show. This means that someone just put this

54:38

in lots of pod rolls which clearly made me appearances.

54:43

Yeah, cuz I mean I have four feeds, and I could put it in all

54:47

of my feeds and then I'd have for right doesn't make it more

54:50

popular just makes me a douche.

54:57

Dave Jones: hard on yourself. Yep. The reason that I put

55:03

Adam Curry: Go ahead, no, no, no, please go ahead. Dave Jones: The reason that I put recommended host and

55:09

recommender host in there is because immediately I see a

55:17

bunch of things from this thing called vigilante TV, which I

55:21

don't even know what that is. Yes. It sounds like it may be

55:26

sketchy. Vigilante something I'm not sure about that. So

55:33

interesting immediately, if I put this in here, you can

55:37

immediately filter out things that you don't want. So

55:41

Adam Curry: yeah, that could Ah, yes, yes. That's a good idea.

55:44

Dave Jones: All right. So stuff comes in here from pod rolls

55:47

from like, you know, 60 times.fm or something like that. That's

55:53

in your in your writing a podcast app for kids? I don't

55:58

want that. I don't want don't Adam Curry: want. That's a great idea. But see, what is visual?

56:03

The Dollar Vigilante? Dollar Vigilante, I think is that's

56:07

very well known. Dave Jones: Is it? vich? I had no idea what this

56:12

[email protected]

56:15

Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm looking at the art at the feed,

56:18

Dave Jones: peer tube instances what it is. Crypto 101, my most

56:25

important video. Hey, Ron Paul,

56:28

Adam Curry: instead of a popularity count was what

56:32

Pfeiffer suggested, which I think is probably better count.

56:36

Okay, Dave Jones: yeah, I can do that. Yeah. So this, this will grow

56:42

the we're at like, we're at roughly 500 recommended feeds at

56:48

this point in the database. Adam Curry: Now, is that enough for the cut off? So we don't

56:51

remove the tag from the namespace? So I don't know.

56:57

Dave Jones: I don't I don't know. This. This is this is a so

57:03

that I expect, I expect this to go to morphed over time as we

57:10

learn more about the behavior of what is going on in these pod

57:15

roles. Right. And, but immediately, you know, I think

57:21

people can can use this, this updates every hour. This this

57:26

JSON list so people can immediately pin it's not behind

57:28

any sort of API. So you can just grab it, just

57:31

Adam Curry: pop it out. Dave Jones: You pull it in, and then you can immediately know

57:38

what is being recommended. You can filter it out if you just

57:41

don't know she's like, Okay, well, I only want to look, we'll

57:44

see scroll down all the way to the bottom. You'll see here.

57:48

This is a good a good example. So make it British podcast that

57:54

was recommended by some that was recommended by somebody by a

58:01

feed hosted on Buzzsprout. And the feed that was recommended

58:06

make it British podcast lives on Captivate. Oh, cool. So here's a

58:11

good, you know, like you may want you may say, Okay, well, I

58:14

you know, I want to, for my, for my slice and dice Top list, I

58:20

want to start with, you know, just the subset of well known

58:25

hosting companies or something. And then I'll sort of branch out

58:28

from there. I think you can slice and dice this a bunch of

58:31

ways. Adam Curry: This is pretty cool. This is actually very cool. And

58:34

I look forward to seeing apps implementing this this is this

58:37

is nice. Dave Jones: Yeah. I don't think it's I mean, is it game mobile

58:42

to get on this list? Sure. But but then that's not

58:47

Adam Curry: well known. But as I said, The only reason I said

58:49

that is because I saw popularity and the first thing that popped

58:52

in my head was oh, game bubble, but doesn't really matter.

58:55

There's nothing to game there's there's no win. Yeah, there's no

58:58

win. It's just, it's you know, what do people do with this? And

59:02

I think the most interesting things of course, surfacing

59:04

other podcasts that I want people to see on in an app, pod

59:09

page, I'm sure pod page will will do something with that.

59:12

This is good. It's a good it's a great tag. It's a great tag. I

59:15

really love this tag. Dave Jones: But here it says Tom Woods is his podcast is

59:21

recommended in one of these vigilante feeds. That is

59:25

vigilante thing at how is this working because their feeds must

59:30

have pod rolls and they Adam Curry: do I'm looking at the feed right now. But this is

59:35

pure tube is it?

59:39

Dave Jones: I don't Yeah, I think this I think this is a

59:41

pissy Adam Curry: vigilante youtube.tv Feed slash podcast slash VIDEOS

59:47

dot XML Dave Jones: source fade you're just going to pick this one. And

59:52

that Adam Curry: looks like they they have declaring the namespace

59:55

looks good. What's the generator hive tube

1:00:00

Dave Jones: hive to Adam Curry: what does that oh, the hive tube that's the

1:00:07

generator I just read the feed man let me see what hive tube is

1:00:12

hive tube. The Hive to plugin monetizes any streaming media

1:00:16

censorship free p2p via the hive blockchain. I smell Brian of

1:00:22

London Dave Jones: spelled you

1:00:31

Adam Curry: all right, Dave Jones: I guess Brian, I guess Brian did this and is and

1:00:35

all this bear might be yeah might be alright. I mean he'll

1:00:38

he'll tell us he'll tell us. He's going to win him. Yeah, but

1:00:41

pod roll is just such a new tag. I was surprised that that would

1:00:44

exist. Yeah, Adam Curry: well and it's in Yeah, it's all in here. I'm

1:00:47

waiting for a sovereign feat. I know Stephen Bell's real busy

1:00:51

doing all kinds of stuff it's on the list. So I'm looking forward

1:00:54

to implementing it. Because I got some feeds I want to point

1:00:58

toward the Dave Jones: a lot of Buzzsprout in here be tunes.tv What does

1:01:02

that be tuned? b e tunes.tv. Beach? Is that also hive

1:01:12

Adam Curry: to E dash or just b?

1:01:15

Dave Jones: b e t o n s dot

1:01:18

Adam Curry: Avi tunes, Dave Jones: okay. Be the tunes.

1:01:23

Adam Curry: Don't see that showing up? Dave Jones: On it. It's yet another another hive

1:01:28

Adam Curry: thing now the hive thing? Dave Jones: I don't know, what's

1:01:31

Adam Curry: the generator Dave Jones: source? Trying to find it source source Feed URL,

1:01:36

you know, have the generator. Have that in the database. I

1:01:40

should have just put that in here. Be Adam Curry: tuned. I'll bet you now I'll bet you that's also a

1:01:45

hive thing. Dave Jones: At the back, it's interesting that that happened

1:01:49

because of the last the last peer to work with RSS that I

1:01:53

know of was was all Alex and I know he's not doing hive stuff.

1:01:57

Yeah, yes. Hive Adam Curry: to because hive to Yeah. All right.

1:02:00

Dave Jones: There must be some fork of peer tube. It's all

1:02:02

about hive. Adam Curry: Interesting. Okay, well, the Learns Well, this is

1:02:08

nice. Okay. I like it. I like it. Another thing everyone needs

1:02:12

to implement. Yeah, quick go. You ready? Go. Implement

1:02:18

implement implement. One of the thing you and I talked about,

1:02:23

just briefly there was so I it's unclear. It seems like power

1:02:29

users had a problem with the get Alby Bumi. resolved. Right? It

1:02:36

resolved. Absolutely. But I just want to remind everybody that

1:02:40

having other options is not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea.

1:02:45

Having fallback or just making sure you're always out there

1:02:48

looking at there's a lot of development in I'm not trying to

1:02:51

move anyone away from from get Alby but it's good to I mean,

1:02:56

here's something that just happened. I believe nostre is

1:03:01

fairly reliant on wallet of Satoshi a lot of people use

1:03:05

wallet of Satoshi. Dave Jones: And if they rely on what do you can you tell me what

1:03:09

that means that the Adam Curry: users are using wallet of Satoshi for zaps?

1:03:15

Dave Jones: I think most like in most most instances, yeah.

1:03:17

Adam Curry: Because it because it's easy to onboard as

1:03:19

custodial. It's good to go. And wallet of Satoshi just took

1:03:24

themselves out of the US App Stores. Really? Yep. They're a

1:03:29

little sketchy as to why they do like you should know why. Like,

1:03:32

no, I don't really know why. I think because they're a money

1:03:36

service provider. They're not they're not a standalone wallet.

1:03:41

Seems pretty clear to me. Dave Jones: Oh, so is did they take themselves out immediately

1:03:47

after the by Nance? Adam Curry: I think yeah, I think the timing is, is seems

1:03:52

kind of obvious to me. Dave Jones: Yeah. That so they Yeah, if they if they pulled

1:03:58

right after that they must be that must have spooked them. And

1:04:01

Adam Curry: rightly so. I mean, be a you know, so what did

1:04:05

binance get popped for for money laundering, you know, illegal

1:04:09

transactions? Yeah, I can see why they're worried about that.

1:04:13

Dave Jones: Absolutely. Me too. You know, so

1:04:16

Adam Curry: there's there's is that green light thing is the

1:04:19

breeze SDK. Does that. Is that? Is that all? noncustodial is

1:04:23

that working? Is that does do key send. I mean, is this stuff

1:04:27

up and running? Dave Jones: I don't know. We need let's get Roy back on the

1:04:32

show so we can get an update? That'd be Adam Curry: good. Yeah, I'd like Yes. I'd love to just have a

1:04:35

light as I mean, I know that he basically is keeping the breeze

1:04:38

app alive as a and he's no he's, he's putting money. He's put

1:04:42

money into it. People working on it to upgrade with value time

1:04:46

splits for the wallet switching technology, which I really

1:04:48

appreciate. But he he was even thinking, Well, you know, we're

1:04:52

kind of doing our job now as a lightning service provider. So

1:04:56

we're just keeping that alive as an example of an Like, you can't

1:05:00

shut that down, that's my actual wallet wallet. That's the wallet

1:05:05

I use for transactions. You know, I'm gonna buy $500 worth

1:05:09

of beef, I'm doing it through through breeze because I trust

1:05:12

it, you know, I trust the the back end the service provider

1:05:15

piece, and I think they may even be offering some services to to

1:05:21

get Alby. I'm not sure. But I think that this is, the state of

1:05:25

the Lightning Network might would be a good idea to have Roy

1:05:28

back on just to see where we're at, see what's going on. Because

1:05:33

they're just relying on any one solution, not a problem. It's

1:05:37

easy. And everyone's like, Okay, I've solved that. Just enter

1:05:41

your credentials here. And it all works. But I think we need

1:05:44

to continuously be on the lookout for backups or better

1:05:49

things or, and you know, and I'm sure they get, I'll be guys, and

1:05:53

maybe we should have them on as well. You know, wouldn't be bad

1:05:56

to have more it's and you just have monitored, talk about

1:05:59

what's going on because it it stuff is scaling now, and we're

1:06:02

gonna end and it's working. You know, we get a report every day,

1:06:06

and I'm always blown away by how many transactions there are.

1:06:10

Dave Jones: Yeah, there's Adam Curry: a lot. And I mean, we're like 100,000 transactions

1:06:13

a day that we're seeing minimum on just a regular day, right.

1:06:18

Dave Jones: Let me pull up yesterday's thing. Adam Curry: I think it's about 100. I mean, yeah, I think a

1:06:21

good day. I'm not talking about number of sets. I'm talking

1:06:24

about number of transactions. Dave Jones: Right? Yeah, cuz that's really all we look at the

1:06:29

stats totals are still love for you know, I mean, relatively

1:06:33

speaking. I mean, if it's on it is on a random Wednesday, you

1:06:38

know, Adam Curry: no, Wednesday's is just very, that's the worst day

1:06:41

of the week. Dave Jones: Yes. Nothing going on. Definitely the worst day of

1:06:45

the week. Let's see daily report. transactions for? Yes.

1:06:52

Well, yeah. transactions for yesterday. Knows 8098.

1:06:59

Adam Curry: How many Dave Jones: 8098?

1:07:03

Adam Curry: Well, that was that's probably not a good day to look at Dave. That's a Thanksgiving Day in America.

1:07:08

Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Well, you're right about that. Let's see. Do we have

1:07:14

Adam Curry: let me see what I have. Dave Jones: Report. I usually Thunderbird, which I can't ever

1:07:22

find where the folders Adam Curry: when we see what we get from today. When we got from

1:07:28

today. No, that's not what I'm looking for.

1:07:33

Dave Jones: Here. Daily Reports. Go here. Let's look at this.

1:07:40

Let's get to last week, because that's yeah, Adam Curry: that's a better week. November 21. Key send me a

1:07:48

total. No, I'm sorry. I'm I was thinking of SATs. You had

1:07:52

transactions? 8669.

1:07:57

Dave Jones: There's 9784. That's right.

1:08:00

Adam Curry: It's like 10 to 10,000. On a good day. Yeah. So

1:08:03

last Saturday was almost 10 and a half 1000. Yeah, that's so

1:08:07

that's, that's the transaction 10,000 A day that we're seeing.

1:08:11

Right, that we're seeing. And it's and it's interesting to

1:08:13

see, because if you look at the SAT total, the number one

1:08:16

transacting app does not necessarily have the most value,

1:08:20

float the highest amount of value. So I can see just a

1:08:24

random day Friday the 24th. I can see fountain had home I

1:08:32

guess pretty funny, founds an ad 700 times the transactions that

1:08:37

pod verse had. But pod verse sent 10 times the value. Isn't

1:08:45

that cool? And like and you can see different kinds of huge cast

1:08:48

thematic users, I always see cast thematic users and high

1:08:50

value. Fountain is always high transaction low value. I'm

1:08:56

always amazed that Sphinx is in there. I don't know what they're

1:08:58

doing in their Dave Jones: 99 transactions. It's not like they're not

1:09:05

Adam Curry: alive. It's Dave Jones: split kit, ln beats, podcast, Guru, curio caster pod

1:09:15

fans. Breeze, a breeze. 166 transactions is always a good

1:09:21

mix. Yeah. Yeah, no, it

1:09:27

Adam Curry: was Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I

1:09:29

Dave Jones: just think that, like, get really on and ask him

1:09:32

about where the green light service stands. Because what I

1:09:35

can see is that green light could be a very good I can see

1:09:42

the integration in the app in my head. And I need I need a chance

1:09:47

to explain it to him and see if I'm understanding this properly.

1:09:52

Okay. Because if it's right then you could you could say, Okay,

1:09:56

well if I want a wallet in my I, in my podcasts guru, then

1:10:03

podcasts guru just calls out green light spins up, spins up a

1:10:07

wallet, and gives me my keys. And done.

1:10:12

Adam Curry: Right and this exactly. And then those are your

1:10:14

keys. And it's your dough. And you're responsible for it. And

1:10:21

there's Dave Jones: no, there's no custodian there. You know,

1:10:24

there's Adam Curry: not a financial customer. Yes. And I think

1:10:28

there's going to be it's going to be reasons to look at stuff

1:10:31

like that in the near future. There's going to be

1:10:34

Dave Jones: Yeah, if things are starting to disappear off app stores, then yeah, that's a reason. Yeah, well,

1:10:38

Adam Curry: thanks. Good off themselves. I was like, Oh, that's interesting. So the point being that, you know, that kind

1:10:43

of hurt, hurts the simple so that a simple solution is easy

1:10:48

to onboard people with nos or get the wall of Satoshi Okay,

1:10:51

great. Good. People are zapping me it works. Now, you can't just

1:10:55

get the wallet of Satoshi I'm sure that the app, you know, I'm

1:10:58

sure it doesn't disappear from your phone if you already have

1:11:00

it. But maybe you probably won't be able to load on your new

1:11:03

phone, or whatever. You know, so these things are worth sharing.

1:11:09

Yeah, yeah. It's a real shame. But it's custodial services. I

1:11:13

mean, we've seen all kinds of blips and burps and glitches

1:11:17

from a fountain has it from time to time. I mean, this stuff at

1:11:21

scale is hard. If that's the same as you know, like an index,

1:11:29

it's hard. It's not an easy thing to do.

1:11:32

Dave Jones: Well, that's why everybody swit and by the way,

1:11:34

we're going to, we're going to start the process of shutting

1:11:37

down our LMP node. So that's a there's been zero transactions

1:11:43

over the last 30 days. There never was many anyway. But

1:11:47

there's we're keeping some stuff alive for legacy purposes. And

1:11:54

that seems to have all dried up. Adam Curry: Yeah. Look how long it took, though. The trend the

1:11:58

transition from everyone using LM pay to get Alby the, and when

1:12:04

I say every one of them the app developers? Yeah, a year,

1:12:07

Dave Jones: a year year, so that we're gonna start, we're gonna

1:12:11

close that down. But see, that's why that's why everybody left

1:12:14

LMP anyways, because in an LMP situation, the app had to hold

1:12:20

the keys. Yeah. And so then that puts the app, the podcast app

1:12:25

has a custodian, whereas with LB is the LB is the custodian, and

1:12:31

the user has the as their credentials. And so there's no

1:12:34

the app is just, the app is just shuffling off tokens around,

1:12:38

there's no right. They don't know, the app has no idea how,

1:12:43

like he can't access their funds, the people, the

1:12:46

developers, so there's no custodianship there. So it's

1:12:48

safer for the app to do something like that. And I think

1:12:52

if you go sort of one step further and look at, you know,

1:12:56

Greenlight, which I hope I bet Alby is doing they're probably

1:13:00

doing that too. Adam Curry: I would hope so. Yeah, I would hope so. Then

1:13:03

Dave Jones: you then you but then you take even the last mile

1:13:07

out of it and say, Okay, well, now now, it's not even even a

1:13:12

custodian at all. How Adam Curry: about this? Why don't we have the get Alby guys

1:13:16

on? I mean, we can we can have royaume but why don't you have

1:13:19

to get lb guys and ask them what the plan is. Okay, because

1:13:23

they're the they're the they're the clear guys that are doing

1:13:25

it. You know, I love them for it. And I'm sure they have

1:13:28

thoughts about it. I'm sure they're not sitting around

1:13:30

going. This is great. This is fine with the fire flames

1:13:34

everywhere I'm sure coffee. Sure the day. I'm sure they have

1:13:38

thoughts about this and you know, they're they're in the EU

1:13:41

so that has different connotations. You know, boy I

1:13:45

have you ever seen Fifi Lagarde over there who runs the European

1:13:48

Central Bank? You know, she's she's no fan of the stuff we're

1:13:51

doing. Dave Jones: No, is not a big fan.

1:13:54

Adam Curry: Do you see this? She's now going around. She's

1:13:56

doing this she's she's shilling for the digital euro, the

1:14:00

central bank digital currency, which is a true cbdc. And she's

1:14:05

going around saying crypto is no good. My son didn't listen to

1:14:09

me. He lost almost all of his crypto investments.

1:14:13

Dave Jones: Oh, what do you invent what crypto investments?

1:14:15

Did he bet there was no details?

1:14:18

Adam Curry: No, of course not. She's because she's conflating

1:14:21

things purposefully. Make.

1:14:24

Dave Jones: What about this digital Euro when that's

1:14:26

supposed to come out in October? No.

1:14:29

Adam Curry: In October, she announced that they were moving

1:14:31

forward. That's what she that would that. She said in October.

1:14:34

We'll announce our plans. They're moving forward. They've

1:14:36

all agreed somewhere. They had some agreement. Yeah. Good to

1:14:39

go. And now she's out there marketing the idea that it'll be

1:14:45

completely you know, we won't sell your information to other

1:14:48

companies. No government will have Yeah, sure. Movie group.

1:14:55

Yeah. Good. I wonder if there's a video for saying that. She's

1:15:00

such a cool man. She is such a tool. Does

1:15:03

Dave Jones: the guards on drip to ECB chief regarded miss her

1:15:11

son loft crypto kick last crypto cash? What is crypto cash crypto

1:15:17

cash? Adam Curry: What is there? Is there a video video of it?

1:15:22

Dave Jones: Looking at us don't cash. This is stupid. Son lost

1:15:29

almost all money he invested in crypto. Yeah, yeah, con Jen said

1:15:34

it was FTX? I don't know. I'm

1:15:37

Adam Curry: sure that's irrelevant, really. But But what

1:15:42

I think is happening. I think what we're seeing happening now

1:15:47

in the markets is everything's good look, they didn't put by

1:15:51

Nance out of business, they could have shut that thing down

1:15:54

easily. They didn't write this was a warning. Like, okay, you

1:15:59

got to play ball with us. Because they want I think what

1:16:02

will happen is everything will go away. Everything will be

1:16:05

outlawed. Bitcoin and I would expect Aetherium will become

1:16:13

tradable on the established public markets, either through

1:16:17

an ETF or whatever. There will be approved companies they

1:16:22

already have, they already have an approved exchange that you

1:16:24

know, some Goldman Sachs or some Wall Street insider thing that

1:16:29

no one's ever heard of. It's just sitting there getting ready

1:16:31

to trade so you can buy and sell. And everything else will

1:16:35

be out bought. They're gonna be they'll do Oh, no, everything.

1:16:37

Nothing. And I don't know. And of course, please, if you're an

1:16:40

XRP guide note, don't email me. I'm not interested. I know. XRP

1:16:45

is great. That's the future. It's all gonna run through XRP

1:16:47

I'm sure. Yeah. Dave Jones: Web monetization. Web three. Yeah, nothing.

1:16:54

There's there's I think in general, we're seeing a lot of I

1:16:58

think the I think the open AI stuff is related

1:17:02

Adam Curry: to this. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, totally shuffling

1:17:06

Dave Jones: the deck. Like you're seeing? Because the thing

1:17:11

is nobody's making. There's no, there's nothing. There's no

1:17:18

clear next step for any of this stuff.

1:17:21

Adam Curry: Oh, by figured out the open AI stuff figured out

1:17:24

open AI. Now I understand what's going on. This is Well,

1:17:28

surprise, it's a scam. And the reason why Sam Altman is back at

1:17:35

open AI is because that's the shim, we discussed this on no

1:17:38

agenda. That's the shim that is the piece in the middle that

1:17:41

when the lawsuits come, they don't sue Microsoft, and

1:17:44

Microsoft, but they're doing and I know, because I have, you're

1:17:48

gonna, you're gonna see the sales guys come into your shop,

1:17:51

David, they haven't already. We have this great new AI

1:17:55

technology here at Microsoft. And it works with teams, it

1:18:00

works with Office. So now when you have a team meeting, it does

1:18:03

a transcript and then the transcript will create the AI

1:18:06

will create action items, those action items are automatically

1:18:10

put onto your calendar. And what you really want those you really

1:18:13

want to use our AI tools are tools to create your own large

1:18:18

language model, which uses Microsoft as your as compute,

1:18:22

which is quite expensive. But it'll be worth the million

1:18:25

dollars you invest in creating your own large language model,

1:18:28

because then you can have your own system and easily retrieve

1:18:32

documents and information and business intelligence from

1:18:36

within your own large language model. That's what Microsoft is

1:18:39

in this for. They don't give a crap about, you know how its

1:18:43

presented some chat bot, they want you to use their compute

1:18:47

services to create the LLM.

1:18:50

Dave Jones: I agree. I agree. That's because that is already

1:18:54

happening. They are already they are already doing that.

1:18:57

Adam Curry: They're selling. They're selling that to you. Yes, I had

1:19:01

Dave Jones: already. I was in a conference with my day job was

1:19:04

in a conference not too long ago. And many people raise their

1:19:07

hands when they were asking if they were running their own

1:19:10

local copies of GPT on Azure. And they were then they are that

1:19:14

is a thing that people are doing. And that I guess the the

1:19:18

thing that the thing that gets the open AI thing from my

1:19:21

perspective, I think that they I think that they got caught. And

1:19:27

they Altman and Microsoft got got caught trying to get out

1:19:32

from under this thing. Because I think what they realize

1:19:36

internally is that this thing is a dog. It is not going to make

1:19:40

any money. But what they saw what they see is they see who's

1:19:47

the only person who's actually making money from this

1:19:51

Microsoft. No, no Microsoft invested. They promised their

1:19:58

their aspect of this Is that they promised open ai $10

1:20:04

billion worth of Azure credits? Yes.

1:20:06

Adam Curry: Well, let's Can we just say 10 billion? Is that

1:20:09

retail? Is that special price? Best Price? Is it just $10

1:20:15

million worth or $1,000 Worth, but they price it at a 10

1:20:18

billion. Okay. Irrelevant. We agree on that. And

1:20:22

Dave Jones: what they got at what Microsoft got out of it was

1:20:26

the IP, all of it, they're all of it. Yeah, the deal is, is

1:20:31

basically they get access to all the IP. And if open AI ever goes

1:20:34

under, they get me they literally go on and on and on.

1:20:37

So Adam Curry: that's why the shame is still in place. Because

1:20:41

Altman did his job. He got the executive order, which is the

1:20:45

path to regulation. Everyone's Whoa, Whoa, it's so scary. You

1:20:48

can only have the biggest companies in the world do this

1:20:51

really was we can't just have any Tom, Dick and Harry doing

1:20:54

this stuff. No, it has to be either, Microsoft, Google can't

1:20:59

be anybody else. Amazon AWS Campion. So they got all they're

1:21:04

all protected. But if the lawsuit comes for copyright,

1:21:08

that goes to open AI. Well,

1:21:11

Dave Jones: the part that Microsoft did Microsoft is I do

1:21:15

not think they're making any money off off the chat off the

1:21:19

chat stuff. No, no, zero as a call center for them. Yeah.

1:21:22

What? So what they saw was, if you look around the industry,

1:21:26

the only person who's making tons of money off of AI is

1:21:31

Nvidia. Adam Curry: Yes. Yeah. And they're gonna end I heard Marcy

1:21:36

there. Yeah. And Microsoft is planning on making their own

1:21:39

chip now. Dave Jones: Yes, invidious earnings. Yeah.

1:21:43

Adam Curry: They were applying Oh, now. They blew it out. Yeah.

1:21:48

believable. Dave Jones: Yeah. And Microsoft looks around and they're like,

1:21:52

We want to get in the hardware business. Yep. And they in the

1:21:55

AI chip hardware business. And Sam Altman, according to

1:21:59

reports, was making deals with the Saudis to do a heart and AI

1:22:05

hardware chip business. Adam Curry: Oh, and it was within video. Oh, I didn't

1:22:10

realize that. Oh, that's a good day. Good data point. I didn't I

1:22:13

had not heard that. Dave Jones: I think internally Microsoft working with Altman

1:22:18

was making it was getting ready to make to flip the switch from

1:22:21

software to picks and shovels because they need because Nvidia

1:22:26

is showing that the only people making money are the hardware

1:22:29

the hardware guys right. And they tried to get out from under

1:22:32

this software dog that does not work. And they get and then the

1:22:37

board was so stupid. These the board like you said there but

1:22:41

it's like a cold. No. Yeah, they're so dumb. Like you don't

1:22:45

know what they do. In the college football world.

1:22:48

Everybody knows you never fire your current coach until you

1:22:51

have the NetScout already lined up ready to walk to the podium

1:22:53

and say, I take this job Adam Curry: and here's your link because that board literally

1:22:58

grew up with the SAM Backman fried people and the Alameda

1:23:02

research girl. They're all effective altruists and that

1:23:07

these are the people that do all the Oh AI's. By the way AI eat

1:23:11

the world. I should play this. We should play this. Because

1:23:15

you're you're a technologist. What is what is that? The

1:23:22

douchebags name the guy who was CEO for like three seconds.

1:23:29

Dave Jones: CEO of open ion Yeah, the

1:23:31

Adam Curry: guy the guy from Twitch Yeah. What's his name?

1:23:33

Shira? Dave Jones: Yeah, here here? Yeah, sure. Here

1:23:35

Adam Curry: we go. Listen, you want to? So they so the board

1:23:40

thought this guy would be the right guy. Listen to why he

1:23:43

explains why AI is so dangerous. And I think he's talking about

1:23:48

recursion which results in nothing but your hardware

1:23:52

locking up. But listen to this for a second. Unknown: Generally I'm I'm very pro technology. And I really

1:23:56

believe the upsides usually outweigh the downsides.

1:23:58

Everything technology can be misused. Regulating early is

1:24:01

usually a mistake. I have a very specific concern about AI, we

1:24:05

built an intelligence, it's kind of amazing. Actually, we may not be the smartest intelligence, but it is unintelligence. It can

1:24:09

solve problems and make arbitrary plans. It's some point

1:24:14

as it gets better. The kinds of problems that we'll be able to

1:24:17

solve will include programming, chip design, material science,

1:24:22

power production, all the things you would need to design an

1:24:25

artificial intelligence. At that point, you'll be able to point

1:24:29

the thing we've built back itself. And this will happen

1:24:33

before you get that point with humans in the loop already is

1:24:35

happening with humans in the loop. But that loop will get

1:24:37

tighter and tighter and tighter. And faster and faster and faster

1:24:40

until it can fully self improve itself. At which point, it will

1:24:45

get very fast very quickly. And that kind of intelligence is

1:24:49

just an intrinsically very dangerous thing. Because

1:24:52

intelligence is power. Adam Curry: Tell me what he's saying. Fast. Tell me what he's

1:24:57

saying right there is bullcrap. Dave Jones: It's complete. It's complete idiocy, it's gonna get

1:25:02

quicker, faster. Adam Curry: Nobody says we're going to point it at itself. And

1:25:06

it's going to develop itself better. Isn't that the

1:25:08

definition of recursion? Dave Jones: Yeah, it's called model collapse. Yeah,

1:25:13

Adam Curry: model collapse? Yes. There you go model collapse.

1:25:16

Dave Jones: What in this in this conference that I went to the

1:25:22

there was a, there was a presenter, who was talking about

1:25:24

how they had done these proof of concepts where they had written

1:25:27

these reports, they transferred these reports to be generated by

1:25:33

AI, by the GPT model. And so you could set you could ask, you

1:25:39

know, hey, look at all this data, give me this, give me a

1:25:42

report that shows such and such. And these are, these were

1:25:45

replacements for the reports that they had built with code.

1:25:49

And so they were like, you know, somebody raises their hand, and

1:25:52

they were like, well, how do you know, I mean, like, how do you

1:25:55

notice right now? Well, you know, we check it initially

1:25:59

against the report, the old reports, the old until we become

1:26:03

confident that it's producing the same thing. And they're

1:26:06

like, Well, how do you know that? Did it doesn't drift and

1:26:10

that it's always going to be right, and they're like, well,

1:26:13

we don't really you have, there's some services that you

1:26:16

can use. Oh, really? Check for model drift and

1:26:20

Adam Curry: drift. Oh, model drift? That's a new one. I

1:26:23

hadn't heard model drift. I like that. And

1:26:25

Dave Jones: I'm like, they don't know you're gonna produce

1:26:28

something with with the large language model. And then you'll

1:26:31

always have to prove it. by actually doing the thing. It's

1:26:35

double the word. Yes. Adam Curry: It's like, it's like, it's like owning a

1:26:37

dishwasher. I always say owning a dishwasher. You're handling

1:26:41

the dishes twice. Yes. Whereas if you just wash it, and put it

1:26:46

away, you're done. Dave Jones: That is, is dish drift. Yes.

1:26:52

Adam Curry: You want to get the rest of this douchebag he's pretty funny. Oh, I love these guys. Guy. And this is so this

1:26:57

is a podcast. And this is this is very typical of the of the

1:27:00

new venture capital guys. They'll they'll have a younger

1:27:03

junior partner and he's the podcast guy. And he'll do

1:27:06

podcast with the investments with the with the Oh yeah. And

1:27:10

it's always like this is great you know we're so happy we

1:27:12

invest in us as good stuff. Wow. And you're the genius and this

1:27:16

guy of course clearly from the way he talks is a genius wait

1:27:19

until you hear some of the terms he makes up and beings

1:27:22

Unknown: are the dominant for our life on this planet pretty

1:27:24

much entirely because we were smarter than the other creatures now. I just laid out a chain of argument with a lot of chain of

1:27:30

argument of if this and this if this then this if it's

1:27:33

Adam Curry: in this oh if this and this and the chain of

1:27:35

argument is if this then this then this human beings Dave Jones: are the dominant for our life on this planet, pretty

1:27:39

much entirely because we're smarter than the other creatures now. I just laid out a chain of argument with this this kind of

1:27:47

person is this is the type of person the Silicon Valley do.

1:27:53

Let's just say the Silicon Valley auto autistic who speaks

1:27:59

so fast that they don't even finish their words because their

1:28:03

brain is going so fast.

1:28:06

Adam Curry: He's on Adderall. Dave Jones: Yes, thank you. Okay, he's going so fast that he

1:28:10

can't even pronounce all the syllables of the words because

1:28:15

he slows him down he's he's living his life on 1.7x

1:28:19

Adam Curry: that no no, this is what happens when you listen to

1:28:22

podcasts on 1.7x Let this up unless you become this guy

1:28:27

Unknown: pretty much entirely because we're smarter than the other creatures now. I just laid out a chain of argument with a

1:28:32

lot of if this then this if this and this if this then this. I

1:28:36

know Elijah thinks that like we're all doomed for sure. I buy

1:28:43

his doom argument I buy the chicken in the logic. Like my P

1:28:46

Doom my probability of doom is like my bid

1:28:52

Dave Jones: is this was like isn't the like p values? Yes,

1:28:55

yes. Adam Curry: Yes. P bracket open Doom bracket close his P doom.

1:29:00

Yes. And he has one more in here. Unknown: Like my P doom. My probability of doom is like my

1:29:06

bid ask spread and that's pretty high. My bid ask spread of

1:29:09

uncertainty. But I would say it's like between, like five and

1:29:14

50. So there's a wide spread. I think Paul Cristiano 50

1:29:19

Adam Curry: glasses, so horrible. These guys. So

1:29:22

Dave Jones: they heard this, they heard this guy and they're

1:29:24

like, oh, man, that's our CEO. Adam Curry: He's got a P doom of a bid ask spread of between five

1:29:31

and 50. I mean, this guy's awesome. I bet

1:29:34

Dave Jones: he plays video games during meetings. Oh, yeah. He's

1:29:38

a genius. Adam Curry: And he's awesome on the pickleball court.

1:29:44

Dave Jones: Now, Stan was some podcast as I go down to negative

1:29:48

below one point. Yes,

1:29:50

Adam Curry: you need to slow back down. But this is what

1:29:55

we're dealing with man. And so

1:29:58

Dave Jones: there's nothing left. There's no Next, Adam Curry: but that's a that's a really good really good point

1:30:03

about the hardware point you're at. That's the only place

1:30:06

money's being made. And Microsoft is probably sick of

1:30:10

paying and Vidya lots of money to buy up these, these these

1:30:15

chips and these machines, and then they pass that, you know,

1:30:18

so they're losing so much profit, passing that on to their

1:30:22

clients who we've duped into creating large light. And, you

1:30:26

know, it might work very well for for certain things inside an

1:30:29

organization. But I'll bet your company and I know what they do,

1:30:33

I bet you they're not going to they're not going to rely on any

1:30:35

of this crap to do anything meaningful. The

1:30:39

Dave Jones: way this stuff works is it always comes down through

1:30:42

your line of business apps, you don't ever do anything. It's

1:30:45

like blockchain. Want some upstream provider somewhere is

1:30:54

going to do something with this and to make their product a

1:30:57

little bit more user friendly. And that's it. Yeah, no, you

1:31:01

don't you don't develop a team in house to go do this in your

1:31:05

standard meno business. That's just not it's just not a thing.

1:31:08

They also Adam Curry: I think they really blew it on that chat bot apps.

1:31:12

You know, that's all people see. Now. It's like, I opened up

1:31:16

WhatsApp the other day, because that's what most of my family

1:31:19

uses in Europe uses that instead of text messaging, and then they

1:31:22

got a chatbot in their AI. And it's actually not bad, you know,

1:31:26

just for for little stupid stuff. But that has no value to

1:31:29

people. It shows no value. And okay, I can see, and I can see

1:31:36

where you might have a better script for your call center. I

1:31:39

can see where you open up Word. It's Clippy on steroids, you

1:31:42

open up Word. And so Oh, I see you're trying to write your

1:31:46

resume, you know, would you like me to help you with that?

1:31:51

Dave Jones: The whole Yeah, the whole thing's dumb. And I think

1:31:53

they realize it now. They got their stock bumps out of it. All

1:31:57

of that's done. And now they need to actually make really

1:32:00

real money. And the only way they can do that is with

1:32:03

hardware. There's the software, the software upside of this is

1:32:08

done. Yes, I agree.

1:32:10

Adam Curry: I agree. You know, it's like descript, which, you

1:32:15

know, has all this AI stuff in it. Now the editing software?

1:32:19

Yeah. And so, you know, James has this, this put out of bad

1:32:24

news episode. And this is 32nd gap, and he picks up the very

1:32:29

normal, you know, you're recording and screwed up. I'm

1:32:32

gonna pick it up again. You know, why doesn't if the script

1:32:35

is really AI, why didn't it say we're rip? You left a 32nd gap

1:32:39

here? Shouldn't you check that out? This may be something

1:32:42

wrong. Where's the AI?

1:32:46

Dave Jones: I go back to the Adam curry metric of AI. is I

1:32:50

believe that when I no longer get spam. Adam Curry: Yes, the Bayesian model of Thank you. When will

1:32:58

that day till that day is both you know, thank you very much.

1:33:01

Why that would be the perfect application of AI. I keep

1:33:05

forgetting my own rules. Dave Jones: You forget yourself. You forget yourself this. Let's

1:33:12

Adam Curry: thanks some people. Dave, I know you got that hard

1:33:14

heart out in about 10 minutes. So I'm going to we only have a

1:33:19

couple of live booths because let's face it, we're working

1:33:23

through the holiday. after Thanksgiving. Yeah, right. We'll

1:33:26

get it's nice. You know, we'd love it Dave and I'd like to

1:33:29

catch up to that's really what it is. We're friends we catch up

1:33:32

once a week. Salty crayon just came in with 6222 It's the evil

1:33:38

rooster boost. Hope you all are having a great Thanksgiving

1:33:44

weekend PS Black Friday as a scam go podcasting. Yes. Huge

1:33:49

scam chat F 3330 stations. I would love to test an alternate

1:33:53

wallet in apps. But Alby seems to be the only one that wants to

1:33:58

play ball. I don't think so. I don't know. I think there's I

1:34:03

think there's others this is the whole point. Let's go straight

1:34:07

to our partners in crime. The lb guys and let's hear what the

1:34:11

where we're at where they're at. And I'll see in a minute Yeah,

1:34:14

especially knowing that you know that green light may be entered

1:34:17

in already doing stuff with them. Let's Let's ask them

1:34:21

what's the future boys? How are we doing? Then we get a

1:34:25

beautiful 17,776 a mega freedom booths from blueberry. Nice

1:34:32

coming in the pod verse in 2020 I was fired from CATS the

1:34:35

musical on tour because of COVID out of that came behind the

1:34:40

scheme's BTS three years later I find myself in a similar

1:34:44

position. I was thrown from the moving vehicle that is the toxic

1:34:48

bureaucracy and landed at the gates of value. I will make my

1:34:52

worlds of live entertainment and PC 2.0 collide in spectacular

1:34:57

fashion. He is. That's interesting. I didn't know about

1:35:02

that. That he was. I would love to know more about what he was

1:35:06

doing with cats the musical Dave Jones: on the scheme's. It's better than cats.

1:35:12

Adam Curry: It's hell yeah. I have a feeling he's working on

1:35:16

value for value theater show streaming split kit QR codes.

1:35:21

He's He's figured stuff out. He's he has a vision he has

1:35:25

blueberry has a vision. I'd love to know more about it.

1:35:29

Dave Jones: Excellent. Get him. We'll get him on the show. We

1:35:31

Adam Curry: need to get everybody on the show. We just

1:35:33

reverse it. You and I sit on the stream. Everyone else talk.

1:35:37

We'll just listen to Dovid us bar says blue.com 4000 SATs.

1:35:43

Sorry, I'm low on SATs. Okay, bro. Just wanna you? Yes, I just

1:35:49

want to say thank you for the D duping Dave. Also, is there any

1:35:53

reason we can't already established a unique constraint

1:35:56

on podcast goods in the PII database?

1:36:01

Dave Jones: Yes. Okay.

1:36:03

Adam Curry: Is that the answer? Or is there more? Is there more to it?

1:36:06

Dave Jones: That is that is the answer. Because if if two

1:36:09

podcasts have the same good, then we need to know about. We

1:36:17

need to know which one is right. And if you just put a unique

1:36:19

constraint, you may get the you may get the wrong one. We have

1:36:25

to We it has to be resolved. That's That's what I mean. Like,

1:36:28

yeah, you have to know that there. There's a conflict and

1:36:31

then resolve that conflict. It's not enough just to ignore one of

1:36:35

them. Adam Curry: So what do we do? Dave Jones: We resolve them.

1:36:41

Adam Curry: This is where AI would come in handy. But I guess

1:36:43

you and I will just do it by hand for now. Let's just make

1:36:45

chips. Blueberry was the head electrician for cats the

1:36:48

musical. Oh, nice. Cool. Very cool. That

1:36:52

Dave Jones: is a cool job. Yes. Adam Curry: Did I tell you that I met Steven B in person at the

1:36:56

meetup. Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. He doesn't leave his house. He did. He

1:37:01

Adam Curry: came to the Austin. No agenda meetup was great. I

1:37:05

couldn't stop hogging the list. I keep saying Come here. Let me

1:37:07

hug you again. I kept this guy this guy without this guy.

1:37:11

Nothing will be happening right now. Sounds great to see. So

1:37:15

there's a huge boost here. But that was from 14 hours ago. So

1:37:18

why don't you go down our list and let's see if it pops up on

1:37:20

yours. Oh, Dave Jones: yeah, see? Well, I've got some get some paper.

1:37:25

Hey, pals, Morris. We got Marco from overcast. $500 Marco.

1:37:29

Adam Curry: Thanks. Oh, thank you. Unknown: 20 is Blaze Omaha. Ambala appreciate your

1:37:35

Dave Jones: brother. In and out. He is. He is stable. Every month

1:37:41

forever. Thank you, Marco. And we got the boys from Buzzsprout

1:37:45

$500. Adam Curry: Bala and of course they were the big push behind

1:37:55

the pod roll by them. You see what see what it does when you

1:37:59

got a big a big guys like that and you go from your legacy to

1:38:03

modernity, boom stuff starts to happen is good. And

1:38:08

Dave Jones: I promised them that if they did if they built it.

1:38:12

Yeah. Will you do the database porn? Yeah, we did. We got got

1:38:15

that done. And we're gonna do more. So

1:38:17

Adam Curry: are they are they going to do stuff with it? They're going to surface that on on their own website. I

1:38:22

Dave Jones: mean, they already do that. It's already shout

1:38:25

individual pages. Yeah, perfect. Perfect. Get some get some

1:38:29

boosts on this boost giving. We've got the gene been 20 to

1:38:36

22. Through cast magic. He says you talk about dividing the

1:38:39

podcast index Allah I Potter, it's almost seems it almost

1:38:43

seems like the DNS analogy is spot on. Let each podcast host

1:38:46

be authoritative. For the portion authoritative for the

1:38:49

portion of the index that contains the fees they host. So

1:38:52

if hosters will be responsible for their slice of the index,

1:38:55

just like someone self hosting DNS servers. That's sort of the

1:39:00

idea. I don't know about necessarily the host committee,

1:39:02

but just people stepping up to do this. Here's

1:39:04

Adam Curry: this slice. Here's a weird thing. What if there was a

1:39:09

top level domain, which do we know is a very complicated thing

1:39:14

and it takes a lot of money to be approved as a top level

1:39:18

domain. But this this is something that podcast hosting

1:39:21

companies could actually do together. The top level domain

1:39:25

there, the registrar, they make it affordable, or at least self

1:39:29

sustaining, not trying to rip everybody off like an AI with

1:39:33

respect like.fm Come on. Yeah, 90 bucks, but that becomes the

1:39:39

the effective GUID. Or whatever we need whatever we need, we

1:39:45

literally put it into DNS is that a crazy thought? That

1:39:48

Dave Jones: is a fantastic idea. Actually. That's a great idea.

1:39:52

Like if, if they came together in sort of a coalition format, I

1:39:56

mean, they've already got the PSP or whatever they could do.

1:39:59

They could come together. In do a TLD Yep,

1:40:02

Adam Curry: you can do your verification through that you

1:40:04

can do it, make it make it basically a part of your hosting

1:40:08

service. Oh, and you get this name, you get this, this

1:40:12

subdomain or you get this domain name dot, you know, podcast or

1:40:16

whatever whatever it is. Great idea. Isn't that the kind of the

1:40:20

solution then we use the infrastructure of the internet.

1:40:23

We have the the safety, the confidence of the hosting

1:40:30

companies Guess we trust them. And also make it possible for

1:40:35

Smalling hosts or companies to come in and be a part of that,

1:40:39

you know, don't make it exclusionary. Dave Jones: It's got to be doable, because automatic did it

1:40:44

with dot blog? Yes, I mean, in that, and I don't think they

1:40:49

would have. I mean, if you spread the sort of the cost and

1:40:55

the the administration across a coalition of companies, yeah,

1:41:00

surely that's an absorbable cost. It's not too burdensome. I

1:41:03

would think. I Adam Curry: think of all the things we could put into that.

1:41:08

Dave Jones: Yeah. For real. That's a super idea. Yeah. Well,

1:41:12

there Adam Curry: it is. There's the one idea for the day finally we

1:41:14

got came Dave Jones: in the end it came in the donation segments. Oh, my

1:41:18

God. Yes. See Jean being 2022. He says, By the way, I love what

1:41:27

you love that you're driving forward on the activity club

1:41:30

stuff, Dave? Yes. Thank you, man. Adam Curry: By the way, Ice Cube Ice Cube soup says Welcome to my

1:41:34

suggestion from two years ago. Okay, man. All right, man.

1:41:38

Sorry. Well, thank you. Ice Cube soup. Your idea? Your idea?

1:41:43

Dave Jones: We'll give you credit. Yeah, the book No problem. Comic Strip blogger. Oh, wait, no. He came in

1:41:49

earlier. Let me see. He Adam Curry: did. He's Yeah, he had to do. He's got his big AI

1:41:54

test. Oh, Dave Jones: yeah. That's right. So I'll come back to the blog to

1:41:57

the CSBs. Long Yank 2345 through podcasts guru says AC frequency

1:42:03

boost. I used to be in the security industry and one

1:42:06

manufacturer base the alarm system clock on either 50 or 60

1:42:09

Hertz. Many customers, particularly rural ones often

1:42:13

complain their clock was wrong. And the manufacturer told us it

1:42:16

was because the power grid frequency was not exact go

1:42:18

podcasting. Adam Curry: About that. Yeah. Yeah,

1:42:23

Dave Jones: that seems like a sketchy thing to do. I agree.

1:42:29

Bill Prague, he's a hive guy. 2000 SATs through founding. He

1:42:32

says you are already using a decentralized database with

1:42:35

unique identifiers as usernames. You are just not using it for

1:42:38

unique identifiers. Heard no complaints about pod things. So

1:42:42

I'm assuming it works just fine. Insert hive joke. Thank you,

1:42:48

Bill. Kevin Bay 11 722. Through pod verse. He says, Here are the

1:42:54

stats I received for hosting podcasts on my IPFS node along

1:42:57

with the extra 10k as a thanks for everything you do.

1:43:02

Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you very much, man. That's kind of

1:43:04

you. Dave Jones: Oh, Jean being came in with a 1337 through pod

1:43:09

versus as Dave, regarding monitoring of the index, do you

1:43:12

have a specific endpoint you would like watched? In the last

1:43:15

show? It kind of sounded like you had something specific in

1:43:17

mind asking you because I think odds are good that I can do this

1:43:19

monitoring for you. I would monitor the the iTunes look up

1:43:28

endpoint. That's an open endpoint that doesn't need an

1:43:31

API key. And that will just just pick a podcast hours or

1:43:38

something. And just do a look up on it every few minutes. Hit it

1:43:42

and see if it if everything's kosher, right. Yeah, that's a

1:43:47

good one. Thank you, Jean. Appreciate it. Oh, see we got

1:43:52

Oh, our podcast. 500,000 SATs.

1:43:56

Adam Curry: Oh, hold Unknown: on a second. Bala. Shot Carla 20 is Blaze on am Paula.

1:44:04

Adam Curry: That's nice. I gotta go check the channel liquidity

1:44:06

now. Dave Jones: Yeah, very heavy. David Adam, I heard you're

1:44:11

pleased prospectively find those pesky duplicates in the

1:44:14

database. And I'm eager to try and solve this with my AR

1:44:17

skills. And my first check. I did not find any duplicates

1:44:20

based on URLs. But should I be using other attributes to define

1:44:24

duplicate entries? My quick look at dupes. Based on podcast

1:44:27

gewiss guid was shocking to say the least. Yes, so you'll never

1:44:33

find a duplicate URL because those are unique. There's a

1:44:35

unique constraint. Right? What you can look at is a combination

1:44:41

of title and episodes. So if you find a podcast that has some

1:44:52

threshold of the same title, and the same in a in a similar count

1:44:59

of EPA So titles that both match. So something like, well

1:45:05

in the downloadable database, what you're looking at is the

1:45:08

only episode title you'll see is like the most recent one. So you

1:45:12

can see what the most recent. I'm sorry, it's not tied on.

1:45:16

Excuse me. That's episode enclosure.

1:45:19

Adam Curry: Enclosure enclosure. Oh, yeah, that's the one. So

1:45:23

Dave Jones: if you see conflicts there also check for there's a

1:45:27

thing in there called hash a see hash. There's a few different

1:45:31

hashes in there, check for conflicts on those check for

1:45:33

conflicts on image art URLs. Blood look looks look around

1:45:38

through there, you'll find a good combination that will give

1:45:41

you clues as to as to good conflicts. Yeah, thank you for

1:45:45

doing that. And they like and paying us for it. Thank you so

1:45:48

much. Adam Curry: That's that's a beautiful baller boosts man

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thank you. I haven't seen one of those in a while. I love that.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you brother. And

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1:47:27

because I know Tom and Kevin, listen, these are the right

1:47:30

guys, by the way, they I just when we came in, yes, Ice Cube

1:47:34

soup. The DNS ID has been discussed over and over and over

1:47:37

again, what's new here is the pod Standards Project. This is

1:47:42

this is the group, this is what the group can do to have a TLD

1:47:47

to communicate amongst each other. So you know, whatever the

1:47:51

reg and it costs, like 100 or 200 grand, you know, I think to

1:47:54

get one of these, there's and you have to be checked, you have

1:47:57

to be a proper organization. You got to you know, turn to left

1:48:01

and cough and there's all this stuff you got to do. I have a

1:48:05

feeling that this is a very interesting idea for this would

1:48:09

be the real quote unquote, industry. And and it will be no

1:48:12

I'm gonna have a company like Buzzsprout and have some of the

1:48:15

bigger guys all participate in this will be fantastic. What

1:48:18

exactly Dave, but at first glance, because the whole point

1:48:23

of this is we want we have special textfields that we have,

1:48:26

what are the things we want to centralize centralized through

1:48:29

this distributed DNS system? Is it the GUID is I mean, what are

1:48:34

all the things we need to put in there? Dave Jones: I think this could replace I think this could

1:48:39

become the GUID just becomes the good. All right. Yeah, that your

1:48:42

TLD I mean, your podcast gets a to gets a gets a domain, you

1:48:48

know, behind the schemes gets behind the schemes dot podcast.

1:48:53

And that's just now you're good. And we would put in a TXT record

1:48:58

where the feed URL is. Adam Curry: And can we do verification through this as

1:49:02

well? I guess that would be a simple thing. Oh, for sure.

1:49:05

Yeah. Dave Jones: Yeah, you could put a signature in there some sort

1:49:09

of demark type type setup. But instead of email, as you know,

1:49:13

this is solving it for for podcast verification. I think

1:49:19

it's does this Adam Curry: in fact, is this a part of the Fed ification of the

1:49:23

index as well? Oh, absolutely.

1:49:26

Dave Jones: Yeah, absolutely. Is this is like, a fantastic way to

1:49:29

edify Adam Curry: the main thing is, it has to be an org, that can't

1:49:35

be jacked by somebody. You know, that's the main thing. It would

1:49:40

have to be some kind of a real nonprofit that does this. And

1:49:44

this is where everybody can get in there and have their board

1:49:46

meetings and have all your important hats on and stuff. So

1:49:50

we solve a whole bunch of problems. Yeah.

1:49:54

Dave Jones: I love this idea. I really hope. I will be advocate

1:49:58

I will be an advocate for this. I want this to happen. Great.

1:50:02

Adam Curry: Thank you very much chat room for being with us. For

1:50:04

those you in America on this holiday, although maybe we're

1:50:07

just a very welcome distraction for you because who wants to

1:50:10

really talk to your relatives? I Dave Jones: mean, thanks for dare to Darren T for like, yes.

1:50:14

Darren Adam Curry: and Jean. Thank you guys very much. Yeah, I think

1:50:17

Darren and Jean, thank you so much. And I'll get my own server

1:50:20

up and running. Dave, Happy Thanksgiving, my brother.

1:50:24

Dave Jones: Happy Thanksgiving to you. Have a good weekend.

1:50:27

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