0:00

Hey, it's Austin and Monica from the Profitable

0:02

Nomad couple podcast. And for the last couple

0:04

of weeks, we've been working with Adam in

0:07

the in the podcasting bootcamp and man, it

0:09

has been so good. Yeah,

0:11

holy freaking crap. I'll keep

0:13

it PG. But it's been really,

0:15

really helpful for our business. There

0:18

were so many good things we got

0:20

from Adam's podcast just listening. But

0:22

man, it was fast track success.

0:25

Once we got into this bootcamp, we

0:27

started working with Adam a little bit more one on

0:29

one and the community that was

0:31

there, we were able to connect with other podcasters,

0:34

which was incredible. And just

0:36

all the help and support that we got is

0:38

really been a game changer for our podcast and

0:40

our business as a whole. Yeah, honestly,

0:42

before we joined the bootcamp, we were feeling really

0:44

unaligned with our business and we knew we wanted

0:46

to take it in a different direction, but we

0:48

didn't know which direction to go

0:50

in. And Adam really provided us with

0:53

so much clarity. He really helped us

0:55

get the framework and get going. And

0:57

it's been amazing. So thanks,

0:59

Adam. You are the best. What's

1:28

up, Pod Pals? It's your buddy Adam and you are

1:30

listening to Podcasting Business School, the show where I

1:49

teach podcasters how to love their podcast

1:52

like a hobby and build

1:54

it like a business. And

1:57

today I've got a not just a

1:59

regular old. run-of-the-mill Podpal Zoom party.

2:02

It's a spicy Podpal Zoom party. I warned everybody

2:04

coming in. I said I'm coming in hot. I'm

2:07

coming in spicy. I'm calling up

2:09

the biggest scam in

2:12

the entire podcasting industry. So

2:15

I feel like there are, there's

2:17

a situation where podcasters are being

2:19

taken advantage of in an unfair

2:21

way and I hate bullies. I

2:23

was like I'm kind of a bigger dude you know

2:25

and I always kind of had my smaller

2:28

friends growing up and I always protected them. You

2:30

know I'm like if something's going down with my

2:32

friends I'm protecting them. I see

2:34

a lot of podcasters being taken advantage of and

2:37

kind of picked on a little bit in the industry

2:39

with one specific situation. I'm calling out

2:42

and then we're going to discuss as

2:44

a podcasting community. So what

2:48

I consider to be kind of the biggest

2:50

scam in the entire podcasting industry has to

2:52

do with PR

2:54

agencies and podcasting guesting

2:57

services. Alright so

2:59

the situation that happens is we are our

3:01

podcasters and there's

3:04

somebody out there that wrote a book and

3:06

they hire this PR company or this

3:09

agency that's like I'm gonna

3:11

get you booked on all sorts of

3:13

podcasts so you can promote your book

3:15

and for a mere sum of ten

3:18

to fifteen thousand dollars I'll get you

3:20

booked on ten podcasts and

3:22

then they hire that that that agency

3:24

and that agency relentlessly

3:27

spams as many podcasters as they

3:29

have on their email list and

3:32

I've talked about this before but these emails are

3:34

usually terrible where it's like form

3:37

emails that aren't filled out. I

3:40

get I get at least one of those a week

3:42

where it's like hello insert podcast name

3:44

here we love your show so much

3:46

insert name of show here insert

3:48

one episode title here like they don't even fill out

3:51

the form. I had one company

3:53

that called me Amanda for three straight emails

3:56

and I just let them roll off that I'm like how many times

3:58

are they gonna call me Amanda before they realize they are not

4:00

talking to Amanda. Um, but they're

4:03

very spammy. They're very

4:05

just transactional. And

4:07

then the thing

4:09

that I'm kind of calling out is the

4:12

fact that these PR companies are getting paid

4:14

tens of thousands of dollars to book these

4:16

people that have a thing to sell on

4:19

podcasts and the

4:21

podcasters get paid zero. That's

4:25

what I'm calling out. We are the

4:27

most important part of this entire process.

4:30

And if you reply and go, Oh, my guest

4:32

booking fee is blah, blah, blah. They act like

4:34

you're crazy. They go, Oh no, no,

4:36

that's not how it works. I'm delivering an amazing

4:38

guest for you. I've got this dentist

4:40

that has a new book out about business and

4:42

you need to have them on your show because

4:44

of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And

4:47

they're kind of leaning into

4:49

a fear that a lot of podcasters have

4:51

of, am I going to run out of people

4:53

to talk to you? Am I going to run out of things to

4:55

say? And they kind of prey

4:57

upon that fear a little bit. Oh, I've got this great guest.

4:59

And they're going to share it out. I promise. And they're going

5:01

to show up and be the most awesome guests that you ever

5:04

had. And a lot, sometimes they are.

5:06

And sometimes they do share it out, but a lot of times they don't. Like

5:09

early in my podcasting career, I accepted a lot

5:11

of guests from a booking service and

5:13

they were terrible. Like they didn't have microphones. One

5:16

guy had like a leaf blower going on in the

5:18

background and his dog was attacking his phone was ringing

5:20

and it was just like a lot

5:23

of weirdness. So I

5:26

feel like we as

5:28

podcasters have to kind of step in

5:30

and go, all right, there are certain things

5:32

we're not going to accept anymore. The

5:35

first thing, and really there's two ways

5:37

to correct this whole situation. The

5:39

first thing is that podcast hosts

5:41

should be paid in this situation. And

5:44

what I'm not saying is charge every

5:46

guest to be on your show. If

5:49

you're out there recruiting somebody, that's, that's

5:51

free access. But if somebody, if

5:53

a PR company is emailing

5:55

you saying, and they're going to pitch

5:58

a guest to be on your show. What

6:01

I'm recommending is that you apply and say,

6:03

I charge a $100 minimum

6:06

guessing fee from

6:08

service providers, from PR companies,

6:11

from guessing services. If

6:14

you just think about it, people are

6:16

paying between $5,000 and $15,000 for these PR packages. That's

6:20

the standard range that I'm seeing. Get

6:23

booked on 10-ish podcasts. You're

6:26

telling me that they can't take $1,000 worth

6:28

of that budget and pay the

6:31

podcasters $100 each, and

6:33

they'll tell you that they can't? I'm like, you need to

6:35

figure out how to do business because that's ridiculous. I

6:39

think that we should kind of band

6:41

together and be like, there is a minimum $100 guessing

6:44

fee when somebody that we know is getting

6:46

paid well approaches us with

6:49

a guess. First, we have to accept the guess. Is

6:51

this a good fit or not? If it is, $100

6:53

guessing fee. It's standard. We

6:57

have to kind of band

6:59

together as podcasters and hold ourselves

7:02

accountable to like, don't accept it if it's

7:05

from these people. We have to

7:07

get paid. That's the first way that this is

7:09

corrected. Then I also want

7:12

to protect the person that's hiring the

7:14

PR company because

7:16

the other side of the scam is

7:19

that, I'll call it a scam. I

7:22

know people that are in this space, they're going to get

7:24

upset that I call it a scam, but the way it's

7:26

being run now is a scam in my opinion. The

7:30

podcasters themselves aren't being paid. That's a problem.

7:32

The person hiring the agency is also being

7:35

screwed because here's what happens. They

7:38

pay tens of thousands of dollars for

7:40

10 guest

7:42

seats on 10 shows. They

7:46

should not be paying for how many

7:48

shows do I get on. They

7:50

should be paying for how much download

7:52

exposure they're gaining. These

7:55

companies, they never ask how many

7:57

downloads that episode got. And

8:00

I don't care if I'm paying, if I want

8:02

to get my book promoted, the stat

8:04

that I'm most concerned

8:06

with, it's kind of like if I was getting booked to

8:09

go and speak live. Let's do

8:11

that. If you notice there's only three people in the

8:13

room versus 300 people in the room,

8:16

that's a huge difference in value that you're getting

8:18

out of it. So let's say I

8:20

paid $10,000 to get booked on four live stages

8:23

and there are 10

8:25

people in the room on all four stages. I'm

8:28

like, I didn't get my money's worth. But

8:30

if there's a thousand people in the room for

8:32

two of those stages, I'm like, all right, now

8:35

we're talking. So

8:37

these PR companies, instead

8:39

of going, hey, I'll get you booked on 10 shows, they

8:41

need to go, I'm going to get you in front of

8:43

10,000 listeners. No matter

8:45

how many shows it takes. So

8:48

for people that are out there hiring these

8:51

companies, that's the number you need

8:53

to start calling them out on. Like, listen,

8:55

I don't care how many shows I get booked for. I'm

8:57

about the exposure. And we measure

8:59

that 30 days. And we go,

9:02

all right, how many downloads total did I

9:04

get in front of in

9:06

this 30 day window? So

9:09

I feel like that's the second way that

9:11

we fix this situation. Number

9:13

one, the podcasters getting paid minimum $100 guessing

9:16

fee. Number two, the PR company

9:18

is measuring and promoting total

9:21

download exposure instead of how many

9:23

shows can I get you on?

9:25

Because they never ask. Like,

9:28

you could do four downloads for

9:30

your show. And they see that the same as somebody that's

9:32

doing 4000 downloads, they don't care. They're just booking

9:35

shows. And that's it. And that's

9:38

the problem. All right. So

9:41

again, I really think it'd be smart to

9:43

charge a $100 minimum guessing fee. And

9:45

I'll ask you guys opinion on that here in a second.

9:48

And then I also think if you wanted to, you can

9:50

charge more than that. But if you wanted

9:53

to, you could add a

9:55

download exposure fee so that I

9:57

charge $100 up front. guessing

10:00

fee, then in 30 days I'm gonna

10:22

do 100 to 200 downloads per episode.

10:30

If it's 100 to 150 it's an extra 25 bucks. Look

10:35

at what you're doing and I would splice that

10:37

up into two or three zones. If

10:40

it falls into this I'm gonna screenshot it. I'm

10:42

gonna give you real life stats, which

10:45

they should be wanting

10:47

anyway, and then you get a download bonus based

10:50

off of how much you're promoting it and

10:53

getting it out there and getting their message in front of

10:55

your audience. Those are

10:57

my two suggestions. I'm gonna

11:00

open this up for a little bit of discussion,

11:02

thoughts. I know that

11:05

this could be a little uncomfortable for some of you.

11:08

I'd be really nervous to

11:10

ask for money for a guest, but

11:13

I've been doing this since 2015. I

11:17

really think if enough people, and you can even name drop

11:19

me, I'm a follower

11:21

of Adams Podcasting Business School Standard here, so I

11:23

charge $100 for a guessing fee when

11:26

it comes from a PR company. Use

11:28

me. Adam told me to. I'm

11:30

one of Adam's students. I listen to him.

11:33

I follow him. I'm using

11:35

the Podcasting Business School Standard for

11:37

this, so I charge $100 minimum guessing fee.

11:41

Let's get some thoughts here. Helen, go

11:43

ahead and give me some thoughts on

11:45

this whole conversation. Helen,

11:50

I need you to unmute yourself and then give me your thoughts.

11:54

Wouldn't that be helpful? There we go. Yeah.

11:56

I was getting all excited. Sorry. I

12:00

just want to say that the

12:02

things that you describe are just

12:04

the tip of the iceberg of the

12:07

scam, because I'm aware of

12:09

a lot of women in particular

12:11

who have paid these PR companies

12:13

to get on podcasts and then

12:15

never even got on podcasts. So

12:18

I just like

12:20

you're being kind in your description

12:23

of some of these scams. I'm

12:25

not saying that there aren't legitimate

12:27

business professionals out there doing this

12:30

work and connecting authors

12:33

to podcasts or,

12:35

you know, business people to podcasts, but

12:37

I am also very aware that there

12:39

are those that are taking money from

12:41

people who are just trying to figure

12:44

out how to get exposure and

12:46

never even delivering on a

12:49

fraction of that exposure. So I

12:51

just wanted to say you're being very nice, but I'm not.

12:54

Well, this is unfiltered. Podcasting

12:56

business school, unfiltered. So

12:59

yeah, it's, you know,

13:02

the world of online entrepreneurship is

13:04

unregulated. So people can kind of do

13:07

whatever. And so one of my

13:09

goals over the next year here

13:11

in 2024 is to add a

13:13

little more standardization, a little more like here's what

13:15

we should actually be expecting as podcasters,

13:18

as online business people. And

13:21

enough of us agree and kind of band together on

13:23

this and we can actually create a little bit of

13:25

change in space. So I appreciate your

13:27

spicy opinions and thoughts there. DR, bring

13:30

some more spiciness. Here we go. Okay,

13:32

so I'm going to give you

13:34

a little bit of faux-ish pushback

13:36

here. Okay, okay. So when

13:38

it comes to downloads, it was just a couple

13:41

of years ago that I

13:44

think it was Anchor had a

13:46

little bit of an issue with

13:48

these are not real downloads. Someone

13:50

bought a gaming app and we

13:52

kind of meshed them together. So

13:55

how can you be sure

13:57

that those downloads are authentic? That's number

13:59

one. number one. Number two, is there

14:01

any kind of disclaimers going on when

14:04

you're on the air like this person

14:06

paid me a buttload of money to

14:08

come on in and talk about this

14:10

stuff. And also

14:13

I'm sure that we all

14:15

have friends that are in

14:17

this space. So

14:20

and I don't think

14:22

my friend who doesn't have

14:24

an agency who is a solo preneur is

14:29

scammy. You know I mean I

14:31

can look at it outside the bubble and

14:33

say no I think she's pretty up and

14:35

up. So talk to me about those points.

14:37

Yeah so with download standardization

14:39

or you would look at it the same

14:42

way as sponsorship. So I be certified downloads

14:44

that's the that's the standard. So and

14:46

if if you have kind of

14:49

a you know I'm not a big

14:51

fan of anchor that's now Spotify where it's kind of

14:53

like it's a free service you're gonna get what you

14:55

pay for. If you're

14:57

in like Lipson, Buzzsprout you

14:59

should have a that little toggle button where

15:01

you can do IAB certified downloads and we're

15:03

that's the standard of standards right

15:06

there. So that's that's what we use for people

15:08

who are paying for sponsorships. I think that would

15:10

be solid for for

15:12

this situation as well. And

15:15

then with the last one like

15:18

I'm not necessarily I know

15:20

there are good people in this in

15:22

this space and they're

15:24

just following the trend of like oh this is how

15:26

it's done. You know I'll

15:28

shout out my friend Tom Schwab he has a

15:31

company called Interview LA. He's a very

15:33

nice man him and his wife are awesome. That

15:37

doesn't discount the fact that I feel like there needs

15:39

to be improvements in this entire space. So

15:41

I'm calling the entire thing a scam.

15:44

A scam is like a hot-button word. I'm not saying

15:46

these are bad people but I'm just like this

15:49

is a thing that needs to be

15:51

corrected across the board. But

15:53

Adam you know it takes a lot

15:55

of time a lot

15:58

of time to research

16:01

these shows to see if they're in

16:03

your genre, to write them to follow

16:05

up. The follow-up is huge. So that

16:07

takes a lot of time and people

16:10

will pay someone else to

16:12

do all that stuff for them. You do all that,

16:14

it's just not in me, you do all that. And

16:16

so how does

16:19

someone be in this space

16:22

and still hold their

16:24

head up high, I guess is

16:26

the question? Well I

16:28

think you got to look at a

16:32

lot of people will say, like you said, I'm paying people

16:34

to do all this research and relationship

16:36

maintenance and all that. I'm like

16:38

we all have to be efficient with our business

16:41

budget and be business people and understand that I

16:43

can't go blowing money in this one area.

16:45

Like without us saying yes

16:48

to their guests, they do not have a service.

16:52

So we need to be taken care of

16:54

period in a story. That is just the

16:56

right thing to do. And

16:59

until they step up,

17:03

I feel like we're being taken advantage

17:05

of. And that's why I'm just kind of calling out this

17:07

whole situation, be like listen, even

17:11

if you're on a shoestring budget for whatever

17:13

reason, I mean if they're charging $10,000 for 10 episodes,

17:15

which is very common

17:19

for getting people booked on 10 shows, taking

17:21

10% of that and paying it to the

17:24

podcasters, that should be very doable. And let us say,

17:26

are there any kind of disclaimers while

17:28

you're... That's gonna be up to

17:31

the podcasters. Like if

17:34

you want to have a little intro to the show of

17:36

like hey this is a paid guessing appearance, I

17:39

mean you can even shout out the company being

17:41

like hey this is from our friends at blah

17:43

blah blah, it's a paid guessing appearance.

17:45

So it's kind of like a good thing. Like

17:47

you get a little shout out. If you guys

17:49

are looking to be a guest on

17:51

podcasts, I recommend this company because they are paying podcasters

17:53

and they're doing it the right way. That's what I

17:55

would do. Okay, so good. I

17:57

like that. Okay. Yeah. We're

18:00

shining a light on the people that are doing it the right

18:02

way. And like I

18:04

said, at a minimum, podcasters

18:06

deserve to be paid in this process

18:08

because there's so much money going into

18:11

it and it doesn't exist without us

18:13

participating. That's like my main thing.

18:15

And again, using the word scam and things like that, that's

18:17

me using a hot button word and people are going to

18:19

click on this and listen to it and be like, Adam

18:21

is calling people out. Key word,

18:23

keyword SEO, keyword. Yeah. Yeah.

18:26

All right, McPeek, go ahead and drop some knowledge. Oh

18:29

my gosh, my brain is spinning now

18:32

because I'm kind of getting angry and not at

18:34

you, Adam, because I love

18:36

you. But so this

18:38

very thing is

18:40

one of the reasons why I gave up my

18:43

previous show got side hustle

18:45

because I had it

18:47

up to my eyeballs with getting

18:49

emails from people trying to book

18:51

their clients or whatever. And

18:53

they'd say, oh, I love your show. And

18:55

I would say, well, which episode did you

18:57

listen to? And does your client even listen

19:00

to my show? And

19:02

either that would be met with crickets or it

19:04

would be met with, well, here's the 500

19:06

reasons why you really want this person on your

19:08

show. So I got tired of

19:11

that because I don't want

19:13

to promote somebody that's not in

19:15

line with what I was trying to

19:17

do with that show concept.

19:20

And I will tell you, I still get emails

19:22

from people who want to be on got side

19:24

hustle. Well, the show is still live, but guess

19:27

what, assholes, I have not recorded a new episode

19:29

in more than a year because I gave it

19:31

up. So

19:34

I'm like, yeah, okay, I don't have the show anymore,

19:36

so you'll move on. But

19:38

that for me was, I guess, one of the most

19:40

offensive pieces of it all. And

19:43

then the second thing, kind of to DR's point,

19:46

disclaimers and the notion of affiliate

19:51

links. We all know

19:53

affiliate marketing is a huge thing right now.

19:55

It's like all that I see on Instagram

19:57

anymore. And when you get it,

20:00

email from somebody that wants you to get

20:02

connected to their product, they're probably also sharing

20:04

a disclaimer in the bottom that says, this

20:06

email contains affiliate links. Well, you know, I'm

20:08

glad that I know that. I know that

20:11

if I dig this person and what they're

20:13

selling, I'm going to want to connect to

20:15

their affiliate link. But if I don't dig

20:18

them, or I don't like the way they're selling,

20:20

I can choose to not go to that

20:22

link because I'm not driving with

20:24

that individual. And I don't know if that makes sense,

20:26

what I just said, but that's kind of where

20:28

my brain is. Adam, I give

20:30

you major props for calling this out. I think

20:32

it is something that needs to be called out.

20:35

And, you know, I could talk more

20:37

but yeah, other people have

20:39

their hands up. I'm yielding now. Thank you. Thank

20:42

you, Chris. And yeah, I just want to spark

20:44

conversation. That's that's how we get things figured out

20:46

like this is just somebody kind

20:48

of going, Hey, this doesn't seem

20:50

right. And let's talk about it. Alright,

20:53

James early. Go ahead, man. Hey,

20:55

Adam, it's great to see you at

20:57

pod fest. I have a

21:00

couple of times had someone as a

21:02

guest through a friend of mine

21:05

who was kind of doing this side

21:07

hustle to get you know, he was working with

21:09

a publisher and getting people who had books. And

21:13

there were two people who had who were big

21:15

names in their niche.

21:17

And I was I was very

21:19

impressed with myself that little

21:22

old me got them on my show.

21:24

But the thing was, because they were

21:26

I was just one of many in

21:28

their tour, their podcast tour, they didn't

21:30

care about me, they didn't care about

21:32

promoting my episode, because it was, you

21:35

know, in their mind, it was the same as

21:37

they were just kind of doing their thing doing

21:39

their tour. Okay, who's next? And

21:41

there was no personal connection. And in fact, those

21:44

two episodes were the hardest interviews I've ever

21:46

done, because I, I it was

21:48

very hard to crack the facade. There

21:51

was no personal connection. I have done much

21:53

better when I meet somebody, I say, Hey,

21:55

let's talk and do a discovery call and

21:57

see if you know, if there's a fit

21:59

here. and what we can talk about. And

22:01

then I feel like I know the

22:04

person, but when it's just all this

22:06

impersonal stuff that I haven't researched and

22:08

I haven't reached out to, that didn't

22:10

do me any good. They didn't share

22:12

it with anyone. And so I agree

22:14

with you. There are some legitimate people

22:18

in this space doing that

22:20

maybe the right way. But I'm very hesitant now

22:22

to work with anybody like that because I want

22:24

to know the guests if they're a good fit,

22:27

not just for my show, but for me. I

22:30

want to connect with them as a person

22:32

because then it makes a much more interesting

22:34

conversation. And just next on the

22:36

list, I don't want to be next on the list. Yeah.

22:40

Well, I mean, I

22:42

think that

22:45

the world is waking up to

22:47

the value of podcasting.

22:50

And it's drawing by leaps and bounds. Like for those

22:52

of you that are at Podfest, we saw some stats

22:54

like, hey, we're still kind of

22:56

in the infancy stage, but things are cooking and

22:58

brands realize the power. And

23:01

we start seeing all these deals

23:03

of like these big name

23:05

people getting, Pat McAfee's

23:07

show being bought out by ESPN and

23:10

Rogan with the Spotify deals and all these

23:12

people. It's just like people are

23:14

seeing the value there. So it's

23:17

time for the independent podcasters to kind of step

23:19

up and be like, listen, we're a part of

23:21

this conversation. And we deserve certain

23:23

standards of compensation and treatment. Well,

23:28

that's the part I really appreciate you sharing because

23:30

I would never charge somebody that

23:32

I had connected myself with more

23:35

than likely. But the next time

23:37

somebody – if it is a good fit, I'm

23:39

going to do your little suggestion about here. Here's

23:41

my booking fee or whatever you call it. I

23:44

think that's a great idea. I appreciate you sharing

23:46

that. Yeah, man. Yeah. And I think at

23:49

a minimum, if I can just get you all to ask

23:51

the what's in it for me question, then

23:53

I've won this. This is time

23:55

we'll spend. Even if you don't charge for it, but you're like,

23:58

oh, this person has a giant audience. Yes.

24:01

They said they'd do a follow up Instagram live with

24:03

me so I can get some bonus exposure to their

24:05

audience. Okay. Or maybe it's somebody that

24:07

you're just like, Oh my God, I would love to

24:09

talk to that person. I'm gonna get tremendous value out

24:11

of that because I read all their books or something

24:14

like that. Then I think that's that

24:16

what's in it for me factor needs to be

24:18

there when we're accepting a guest. All

24:21

right. Roberta, go ahead and add some some

24:23

thoughts. Thank

24:25

you, Adam. Hi, Portales. I'm

24:27

glad to have heard all these ideas. And

24:29

the reason I'm here is because I had

24:31

a chat with him. He's the first person

24:34

to come with us. Those PR

24:36

companies email me, they get paid 10

24:38

to 15 grand. I said, what? I

24:41

don't even get a dime. I spend hours arranging

24:43

the interview, the interview,

24:45

editing, publishing and what

24:48

Lauren just said, they don't even give you

24:50

a rating. It takes 10 seconds to write

24:52

one sentence on Apple. I never

24:54

hear from the person most of the time,

24:56

even though I tag them on LinkedIn. I

24:58

say, thank you, Adam, for sharing this and

25:01

this and I have promo trail and my

25:03

show notes. Nothing. One

25:05

of the guests where I had nothing from them

25:07

when I published them last year just reached out

25:10

to me and said, I have

25:12

two clients who would love to be on

25:14

your show. What have you been? You know,

25:17

I never heard from you when I

25:19

published it. You ran and suddenly you

25:21

need my services again. So this is

25:23

literally how under appreciated we

25:25

are for the work that we do and

25:28

I'm glad that we're having this conversation. And

25:30

then when it comes, like Adam

25:32

suggested, I will start looking into

25:35

if the PR company approaches me into

25:39

finding a way to have that $100 nominal fee

25:41

at least. And

25:43

then the last thing is, I don't

25:45

know if anybody's familiar with matchmaker.fm, but

25:49

when I discovered Portmesh, they pay you

25:51

a little bit as well if the

25:53

guest is a paying guest. If

25:56

you interview a free guest, you're not going to get paid anyway.

25:58

So if you focus on the work that you're doing, you're going to get paid. once

26:00

they pay for their membership, then Port Mesh

26:02

pays you a percentage of that. So

26:04

Mesh Maker, when I discovered that, I said,

26:06

goodbye, Mesh Maker, I deleted my podcast profile.

26:09

The, I don't know if the guy is

26:11

the founder or he's the marketing executive

26:13

of Mesh Maker. He's been emailing me,

26:15

relentless person, I spoke to Adam. I

26:18

don't see your podcast profile anymore, where are

26:21

you? I said to him, I'm

26:23

revamping my guest intake system and the next

26:25

time I start taking guests again would be

26:27

around the summer this year. So please wait

26:29

for me. He emailed me this morning. He

26:31

says, listen, you were having this meeting. He

26:34

said, Roberta, I still have, I

26:36

said it's the summer, that's June, 2024, we

26:39

still have February. So he

26:41

is really on my back to

26:44

try and get me to return to Mesh

26:46

Maker, to have my podcast profile there. So

26:49

guests can book. And until I have that

26:51

system of charging the $100, I'm

26:54

not going to put it in the, but

26:56

they just like Adam said, they are the

26:58

ones who need us. And it's time that

27:01

we put systems in place

27:03

to be treated with respect. That's all.

27:06

Well said. I have nothing to add.

27:08

That is amazing. Thank you, Roberta. All

27:10

right. We got a few more comments

27:13

here. Let's go with Kristin. Hey,

27:16

I'm great to see you. Great to see you at podcast

27:18

or podcast for a hot second. Hope you're feeling better. I

27:21

did not get the cold, so thanks for not spreading my language. I

27:23

know, score. This

27:26

is the first I've heard about this scam. So I

27:28

appreciate you bringing this topic to light. I don't know

27:30

if I'm too new or if I'm not doing something

27:32

right. I haven't received these emails yet. So I'm excited

27:34

to receive them now because I feel like I've been

27:37

training in the gym and I'm locked and loaded and

27:39

ready to go for these conversations. I

27:41

love what you said about value because, you

27:43

know, I would like to challenge the

27:46

$100 minimum and

27:48

say, let's go five. Let's go 500.

27:51

I mean, a lot of us are spending an

27:53

hour interviewing a guest, right, at

27:55

minimum. And this is just like us

27:57

working with clients, right? Like whatever, think about,

28:00

your hourly fee is. And again,

28:02

when we're, if we're having somebody come

28:04

on our show, we're promoting that show anyway,

28:07

right? That show is showing up on our

28:10

host website, probably on

28:12

social media, maybe one to three to

28:14

four platforms, and on our website,

28:16

right? So this is our brand.

28:18

This is not for some of us, not just

28:21

a show. This is showing up in every single

28:23

aspect of how we're doing business. And

28:25

I think that when somebody

28:27

reaches out to you, and

28:29

wants to do business with you, and book

28:32

a guest on your show, that's a strategic partnership,

28:34

right? It only makes sense.

28:37

The way that you do business is to

28:39

create and design a partnership that works, beneficially

28:42

for both parties. And I think

28:44

that there can be many

28:46

wonderful benefits to that. I have also learned

28:48

the hard way that guests coming

28:50

on your show absolutely will not promote the

28:52

show, unless they have some sort of

28:54

emotional attachment to you. But I think

28:57

that again, if we could start with

29:00

a minimum guest fee of $500, and then say

29:02

from there, I'm going to add

29:04

on packages, plus you'll show up on Instagram, plus

29:06

you're going to show up on my website, plus

29:09

you're going to show up on LinkedIn, plus you're

29:11

going to show up on Facebook, right? I think

29:13

there's, there could be

29:15

an awesome opportunity here to create these long

29:18

lasting partnerships, because these companies do have a

29:20

lot of people that they're, that they're bringing

29:22

on, right? That could benefit

29:24

your show. But again, ultimately,

29:26

like you said, Adam, like, this is about

29:28

you, and it's about your value. And this

29:30

is your business. And we have to be

29:33

really, really protective of how we show up

29:35

and who we show up with. I

29:37

concur. I concur. I mean, I

29:41

love the idea of charging more than 100 bucks. I

29:43

know that that that you just freaked a bunch of

29:45

people out like, Oh my god, 500. I'm scared. So

29:49

I think what I do, Adam, I'm a coach, I make people

29:51

I know, I know this, but

29:53

I think taking the

29:55

personal liberty to like, all right, minimum 100.

30:00

You get some people used to that and start

30:02

nudging up, especially if you look at it more

30:04

like a partnership in a brand immersion situation where

30:06

like, not only are you coming on

30:08

the show, we're gonna have some Instagram promotion

30:10

opportunities, some website promotion opportunities that's gonna be

30:12

posted on my YouTube. And

30:14

as your brand grows, we can charge it more. It's just like

30:16

sponsorships. But

30:19

just having that like, I'm

30:21

lining the sand and doing

30:23

this for free no more. And then

30:25

it's like if somebody refers business to

30:27

me, I am compensating that

30:29

person with a referral. And

30:31

so somebody's coming to me saying, I got

30:34

paid a whole bunch of money and now I need you

30:36

to be a part of the service I deliver. Like we

30:38

deserve that referral compensation. That's another way to think of it.

30:40

All right, we got two more here. Bobby,

30:42

and then we'll finish up with Lauren. So

30:46

hi guys, I'm sort

30:48

of in a unique position because

30:50

I'm not looking to monetize my

30:52

podcast. I'm a mental

30:55

health advocate and I'm looking to drive

30:58

people to my website to subscribe

31:00

to my website and

31:02

to my newsletter. So

31:05

I've been in the weeds with

31:07

regards to becoming a guest. I'm

31:10

in my third season, I've got this my

31:12

3026 episode. I

31:15

have no problems finding guests. And

31:17

I've been on a couple of these chat

31:21

rooms, Adam. And you

31:23

would think that when you connect

31:25

with somebody on a chat room and they've been

31:28

seeing you, they would follow up and want you

31:30

to be either a guest or not a guest.

31:33

And that doesn't even seem to work. There

31:35

was somebody on your last one that was

31:37

comedy and cancer and I tried

31:40

to connect with somebody didn't follow up. So

31:43

my comment is that I'm just

31:45

in the weeds because I don't

31:48

really, I'm just sort

31:50

of checking it out to see if I

31:52

wanna be a guest on somebody else's or

31:54

they want me to be a guest, but

31:56

I'm not looking to monetize. So that's why

31:58

I'm here because I'm... trying to

32:00

get subscribers versus uh versus

32:03

uh you know I'm

32:07

trying to get subscribers that's what I'm trying to get to

32:09

my website yeah yeah and you know

32:11

and with with what I'm doing here you know

32:14

that's that's the beauty of providing something like

32:16

this for free it's like um

32:19

you know it's like when I run the

32:21

scoreboard at my son's basketball game and the

32:23

fans complain that I I

32:25

didn't add their points up fast enough I go that's

32:28

all right I'll refund my paycheck of zero dollars

32:30

if you aren't happy with my scoreboard performance today

32:32

I actually called out a guy that was

32:34

yelling at me from across the the

32:37

stands because the ref called

32:39

something I had it in line with

32:41

that he was thinking something else but he's yelling at me

32:43

to correct it for like five minutes

32:46

so during the next time I'm like hey hey you

32:48

why don't you come over on the

32:50

scoreboard and he started walking over and then

32:52

oops Adam stands up and I'm six foot four

32:54

and he's about five foot tall he didn't realize

32:56

how tall he was and then he stopped about

32:58

halfway and then walked back and sat down he

33:00

was very quiet um so that was a fun

33:02

little moment in my life of running the scoreboard

33:04

but now um I

33:07

think that this uh you

33:09

know in a situation

33:11

where you're trying to gain exposure on people's shows and

33:13

things like that like I want to facilitate connections here

33:15

and that way it's up to you guys to connect

33:17

and follow up and and do all that um

33:20

and yeah so that's that's kind

33:22

of how I feel about that situation

33:24

all right let's finish up with

33:26

Lauren and then we'll do podcast or speed dating hi

33:30

guys how you doing um I'm uh

33:33

London based by the way I'm British um but Adam

33:35

knows that because I've had a chat to him on

33:38

podcasting business school um so

33:40

oh uh oh

33:42

sorry there's a little notification thing saying looks

33:44

like you're done talking so we're gonna lower

33:47

your hand um you're good I'm not done

33:49

talking um uh it was to

33:51

say I'm sorry for not sharing

33:53

my episode on your of speaking

33:55

on your podcast and I had really specific

33:57

reasons but I have been wanting to email

34:00

and say, I'm sorry, and here's

34:02

why. And I'm wondering if this

34:05

will be the case with your podcast and probably quite a

34:07

few other people's, is that there's

34:09

something quite exposing being on

34:12

that kind of surgery style, that

34:15

you did doctor surgery style, you're

34:17

listening to my challenges or problems and me talking

34:19

through it and you're giving suggestions. It's quite exposing

34:21

as a person or as a

34:24

business owner. And

34:26

there's something kind of embarrassing about it. So when I

34:28

listened back to my episode, I was like, Oh, I'm

34:30

not ready to share that with because they're talking about

34:33

sort of live challenges. It's easier to talk about something.

34:35

So after the fact of like, I

34:37

implemented Adam's five suggestions from our

34:39

discovery call. And now I'm going to be interviewed

34:41

about all the amazing successes I've had in like,

34:44

I'm like, you know, world domination, blah, blah, blah.

34:46

People love to people do really like to talk

34:48

about their successes on podcasts. And I think they,

34:50

and that's the other reason it's being

34:52

really popular with PRs is that they

34:55

know that we'll go easier on guests

34:57

than like a traditional

34:59

journalist might. And also

35:02

a secondary reason which you're not in

35:04

control of at all is that I had

35:06

a really bad podcasting voice as a guest.

35:09

I think when I'm being a

35:11

podcast host, I'm better because

35:13

I'm sort of slowing down and being quite

35:15

deliberate. I'm also, I get really nervous when

35:17

speaking to some of the sort of high

35:19

profile guests like Randy Zuckerberg, like Mark Zuckerberg's

35:21

older sister. And I just keep

35:24

my speaking to a minimum and really, really think about

35:27

what I'm going to say. Whereas

35:29

when I'm talking naturally like now, or like I think

35:31

we're speaking more naturally on your podcast, I

35:33

think really fast. I don't enunciate that

35:35

well. And then there's

35:38

actually slightly embarrassed about what my voice sounded like.

35:40

And it made me think I need a voice

35:42

coach and there, and it was made

35:44

even more extreme because when I listen to podcasts,

35:46

I tend to listen to it on 1.25 speed.

35:49

And I was like, who is this

35:51

speaking so fast? Because

35:54

your voice is really like calm, slow,

35:56

measured in comparison. Ah,

35:59

well, thank you. Well, first things

36:01

first, when I do coaching style episodes,

36:03

I have zero expectation for anybody to share it out

36:05

just because of what you said. Like it's not, it's

36:08

not traditional guessing episode. I don't even tag people

36:10

on social media. I just kind of put it

36:12

out there and the value that I'm getting out

36:14

of that is you were willing to come on

36:16

the show and allow me to show off what

36:18

I do. And that me building extra

36:20

positioning on my show is

36:23

the gold that comes out of that because that

36:25

produces relationships that

36:27

lead towards being clients and things like that.

36:29

Like people hire me because of that type

36:31

of content. So yeah, no, no,

36:34

no need to be in

36:36

your head about any of that stuff. Like that's, that's

36:38

not, um, for those of you, I know

36:40

more and more people are doing coaching style episodes. Keep that in

36:42

mind. Uh, I think that

36:44

what Lauren said there is really

36:46

appropriate. Like someone's coming on

36:48

your show to be vulnerable and to be

36:50

coached. This isn't a traditional guessing,

36:53

uh, situation, especially if they're like on

36:56

a personal growth journey, a weight loss

36:58

journey, they're being vulnerable. Like if they

37:00

are like, well, I've suffered some, some

37:03

sort of trauma in my childhood and I,

37:05

I ate my feelings and this in game,

37:07

all these things, like that can be really

37:09

like emotional. So that's a situation

37:11

that, uh, we don't expect promotion and things

37:14

like that at all. So I wouldn't, I

37:16

wouldn't worry about that. The whole being in

37:18

our heads about our voices and how we

37:20

sound, we all deal with that myself included.

37:24

Um, so that's, that's another reason to

37:27

surround yourself with like-minded podcasts. We can all be

37:30

like, yeah, me too. I feel that exact same

37:32

way. People compliment me about my voice all the

37:34

time. I appreciate it. But like I

37:36

recorded an episode last week and I was pretty sick.

37:38

Like I just came off of being real sick at

37:40

pod fest. I'm like, man, I needed

37:43

to do some vocal pushups after that one

37:45

was man, that sucked. And

37:48

um, but you know, it is what it is.

37:50

Uh, I continue to podcast another day. Um,

37:53

yeah, so don't worry about

37:55

not sharing coaching style episodes, not expected in

37:57

my opinion. And you know, I, I just.

38:00

Appreciate you being here. All right. Yes.

38:02

Good to see you. Yeah. All right. Let's

38:05

do some podcasts or speed dating. Uh, the

38:07

most exciting thing that can happen on a

38:09

Tuesday, uh, in February at

38:11

11 39 AM

38:13

central, uh, everybody gets 60

38:15

seconds and we are going to

38:17

blast through this, uh, I want to know name of

38:19

your show, uh, and

38:21

who you're looking for as a guest, if you do

38:23

have guests and, um, who

38:26

you are a great guest for. If you want to do

38:28

a, uh, an exchange of, uh,

38:30

like an interview swap or something like that.

38:32

Now, here's the deal. I

38:35

don't want everybody out there like, like, Hey, yeah,

38:37

I charged this. And I did like, that's the,

38:39

we're saving that for the podcast PR companies. All

38:41

right. So like, and you can come on

38:43

my show from a nominal fee of $10,000. Um,

38:46

that if you came, if that's your main

38:48

takeaway from this episode, then hit

38:50

the rewind button and re-listen to it. All right.

38:53

Let's do a few, uh, pod

38:55

pal veterans up first, and then we'll go right

38:57

around. So Chris McPheeke, why don't you kick it

38:59

off for us? Well, thank

39:02

you. So as Adam said, my name

39:04

is Chris McPheeke. I host the top

39:06

five podcast, which is a pop culture

39:08

show that I do with my sister

39:10

and the occasional co-host. So I don't

39:13

have guests. I have co-hosts.

39:16

Um, if you want to. Promote

39:19

a topic for our show, like we're

39:21

doing the professional series right now. So

39:24

the top five movies about

39:26

teachers or the top five movies about

39:28

actors who play other actors, um,

39:30

that is what we talk about. It is

39:33

based on the high fidelity top five series.

39:35

You read the book or saw the movie.

39:38

Um, and as for me, I am

39:40

a educator. I've been in higher education

39:42

for almost 30 years. So if your

39:44

podcast has any to do with college

39:46

students or college student crap, I'm happy

39:49

to talk about all of that stuff. And I can

39:51

talk about movies, music, and television until the cows come

39:53

home. So, uh, thanks for having

39:56

me, Adam. And I yield. All

39:58

right. Thanks, Chris. Let's go to DR. Go ahead. yourself.

40:01

Hey everyone, I am Dr. Faye.

40:03

I'm a podcast producer with Mousy

40:05

Broad Media and

40:07

I currently am producing three active

40:10

shows, Life After Corporate, Pediatric

40:12

Meltdown, and Holistically Healthy.

40:15

I'm a good guest for anyone

40:17

who wants to talk about, maybe

40:19

boomer, topics like

40:22

career pivots when you're in your 60s.

40:25

I say screw

40:27

retirement, that is my motto,

40:29

screw retirement, and

40:31

you can reach me at

40:34

[email protected]. Thanks Adam. Thank

40:36

you, DR. Good to see you. Alright, Kristin Marvin, go

40:38

ahead and take that mic. Alright,

40:41

hi everybody. I am Kristin Marvin. My show

40:43

is called No Hesitations

40:46

Restaurant Leadership Podcast. Tips

40:48

for hospitality entrepreneurs to prevent burnout,

40:50

increase employee retention, and operate a

40:52

thriving business. I would

40:56

love to interview local restaurant

40:58

owners and leaders and

41:00

I would love to be on someone's show

41:03

who wants to talk about burnout with their

41:05

audience, mental fitness, or

41:07

leadership development, and soft

41:10

skills. You can find

41:12

me at christinmarvin.com/contact. My

41:15

first name is spelled

41:17

C-H-R-I-S-T-I-N. Thanks. Alright,

41:20

and for those of you that are here,

41:22

you can feel free to pop all your

41:24

contact information in the chat and do some

41:26

reach outs there. Alright James, go ahead. Hey

41:28

Adam, my name is James Early

41:30

and I have a faith-based podcast.

41:32

It's called The Bible Speaks to

41:34

You and my focus is

41:36

on getting back to what Jesus actually said instead

41:39

of what we've added to what he said in

41:41

the last 2,000 years. What

41:44

does it really mean to love your neighbor

41:46

as yourself? That's easy to say. How do

41:48

you really do that? And really getting into

41:50

the mindset of Jesus learning to love and

41:53

think like he did. I'm not really

41:55

looking for guests right now but I'd be a

41:58

great guest on the show. that

42:01

is really just trying to get to have

42:03

that basic message that Jesus

42:05

had. But also, I have a prison

42:07

ministry. I've been working with inmates doing

42:09

Bible studies since 2008, and I've had

42:12

work with a lot of people in

42:14

prison and dealing with that kind of

42:16

mentality and helping them learn

42:18

to appreciate themselves and see themselves in

42:21

a good light. So you can get

42:23

a hold of me at my website,

42:25

biblespeaks2u.com. Alright, let's go

42:28

to Kevin Lowe. Hey, what's

42:32

happening guys? I am the host of

42:34

Great Grace and Inspiration, and

42:36

I'm always looking for guests who have overcome

42:39

something tragic in life. You've had

42:41

something massive happen to you, but

42:43

you bounce back, you turn that

42:45

challenge into an opportunity, and that's

42:47

kind of what my podcast is

42:49

all about. I'm a great

42:51

guest for anybody who is looking for somebody who

42:53

has a story of overcoming challenges

42:56

and turning that challenge into

42:58

good. I have a story of overcoming being

43:01

blind and realizing that there's

43:03

more benefits to it than I thought.

43:07

You can find me. Best place

43:09

to connect with me is the

43:11

website, gracewhinspiration.com. Alright, Kevin's

43:14

got a great newsletter as well. You also check

43:16

out in addition to his show. Alright,

43:18

let's go to Lauren. Go ahead. I'm

43:23

the host of the Women of Web

43:25

3 podcast. So I'm helping on a

43:28

mission to help as many people, or

43:30

as many women as possible, understand emerging

43:32

tech and Web 3, things like blockchain,

43:34

crypto, metaverse, AI, any of that jargon

43:36

fits in the jargon bucket of helping

43:38

people understand by interviewing female leaders in

43:40

that space, of which there

43:43

aren't that many women at the top in

43:45

this area of tech. So I do

43:49

get pitched quite a lot because it's a

43:52

quite specific niche. I get a

43:54

lot of PR pitches, but in terms of what

43:56

I could speak about in other shows, it would

43:58

be about either the need for more web. women in

44:00

tech or the impact of things like

44:02

AI or blockchain on people's lives, like, you

44:04

know, what does this actually mean for us

44:07

day to day? Or I could

44:09

talk about overcoming basically

44:13

got pregnant and lost my job when I was working

44:15

at Facebook, Meta, and had

44:17

a complete panic and ended up sort of pivoting

44:19

and getting into this like, yeah, quite niche area

44:21

of tech instead. And realizing that was kind of

44:24

much more interesting, started my own business. And

44:26

yes, did a whole kind of

44:28

360. So yeah, cool thing.

44:31

All right, great to have you here, Lauren. Let's

44:34

go to Helen. Hi,

44:36

y'all. My name is Helen Sarnett. I

44:39

am the host of Sleeplist, the podcast

44:41

that lifts you to sleep. So I

44:44

don't accept guests on my show because

44:47

I'm mostly trying to help people actually

44:49

fall asleep. But I am a great

44:51

guest for people who want

44:53

to be awake during the day and

44:55

learn more about how sleep can help

44:57

them in their personal and professional development.

45:00

I talk a little bit about burnout,

45:02

anxiety, depression, and the impact of

45:04

sleep on our overall health and

45:06

wellness. I'm kind of

45:08

an evangelist for sleep to be one

45:11

of the three main pillars of our

45:13

health journey. So that's who I am.

45:15

And that's what I do. And if

45:17

you're interested in learning more about me

45:20

or my podcast, you can check out

45:22

sleeplist.com. Yeah, if you

45:24

guys are super, super boring, reach out to Helen about being

45:26

a guest on our show and then you'll help put people

45:28

to sleep. So that's, that'd be

45:30

a great pitch. Like, oh, sorry, I can't

45:32

accept your guests. They're not boring enough. They

45:34

really need more boring. All

45:37

right, let's keep going here. Tricia, go ahead. Hi,

45:40

I'm Tricia. So I haven't launched yet.

45:44

But my podcast is going to be tips you

45:46

might want to know to thrive

45:48

in your twenties. And it was going to be since

45:50

you didn't ask, but then I listened

45:53

to your limited edition podcasting and I

45:55

was trying to follow like, you know,

45:57

your directions. And I also with my

45:59

twenties people. They're like, you

46:01

might want to know what they added because they're

46:03

just like, don't tell us and be our parents.

46:05

So I have sort of a long title that

46:07

I'm struggling with, but that's what it is right

46:09

now. And it's really just practical wisdom, tips and

46:12

tactics for new graduates and

46:14

young adults to navigate the

46:16

workplace and life. And

46:18

really with this thought that your values are

46:20

your destiny. So like I have one topic

46:23

is I hate my job, what now? So

46:25

how to deal with it and what your

46:27

options are. And also what's kind of the

46:29

value or virtue that you need to think

46:32

about when you're navigating that. And

46:34

I'm a good guest for, I'm also

46:36

a published young adult author. So I'm

46:38

a good guest for publishing, writing, and

46:40

I have a non-fiction book coming out

46:42

hopefully next year on authentic collaboration. So

46:45

I'm kind of an expert in collaboration

46:47

as well, if I can speak to

46:49

that. Cool. And

46:52

Tricia, just for you, one week from

46:54

today, I've got an episode coming out of podcasting

46:56

business school, but it's like my updated and complete

46:58

guide to the perfect podcast name. So

47:01

tune in one week from today, the time

47:03

that we're recording this. All right. Let's

47:05

go to Bobby. Bobby, go ahead and take the mic, man. Okay.

47:11

I like taking the mic because I'm a comedian

47:13

and a mental health advocate. My

47:16

name is Bobby Coven, not Bobby Covert.

47:18

There's nothing funny about COVID and there's

47:20

nothing funny about mental health. But that's

47:22

what I talk about on my podcast.

47:24

It's called What's in Your Mental Health

47:27

Toolbox? And I'm in my

47:29

third season and I'm a

47:31

good guest for anybody that's looking

47:33

for somebody to add some levity.

47:36

I can add levity to any topic

47:39

and it's made

47:41

meeting fellow podcasters. You can get in

47:43

touch with me. My email

47:45

is probably the best, Coven,

47:48

K-O-V-E-N, [email protected]. All right. Good

47:51

to see you, Bobby. Okay.

47:53

Let's go to Roberta. Hi, everyone. I'm

47:57

Roberta Ndela, a South African

47:59

who... taught English in South Korea

48:01

for decades now in the US to

48:03

South of Atlanta. I host

48:06

the speaking and communicating podcast to

48:08

highlight communication and soft skills that

48:11

you need in order to be successful

48:13

in your career to become a leader

48:15

because the first 15 years of corporate

48:17

South Africa were very much

48:20

eye-opening for me and

48:22

nobody tells you and I don't know if

48:24

Chris can agree with me because she used

48:26

to teach higher education. Nobody tells in high

48:28

school and college that hey you just think

48:30

the smartest is not going to get you

48:32

through. You need to be able to

48:34

communicate, you need to build relationships, you need to

48:36

know how to present and things like that. So

48:39

those are the things that we highlight on our

48:41

show and as Kristin

48:43

said as well with COVID and the

48:46

last players a lot of professionals have

48:48

been burned out and the anxiety

48:50

all of those things we do invite

48:53

guests who help with tools in order

48:55

for them whether they are entrepreneurs or

48:57

professionals to deal with things

48:59

like burnout etc. So that's

49:01

our show. Thank you so much. Great

49:03

to have you Roberta. All right let's finish up strong

49:06

with Simon. Go ahead and take that mic. Tell us

49:08

about your show. Hey Podpals.

49:12

So my name is Simon Zatirka. I host

49:14

the Chef Journeys podcast. Fairly

49:16

niche in that I'm really looking to talk

49:18

to either chefs that are

49:20

currently chefs or folks that have

49:22

been in the kitchen, spent some

49:25

good amount of time there and then transcended

49:27

that role. But also

49:31

really highlighting the fact that there's private

49:33

chefs and there's farm chefs and there's

49:35

all these different types. Not

49:38

just the James Beard Award winners that we

49:40

see on television and the in the competition

49:42

kind of folks. So that's

49:44

what I do. With that podcast I

49:46

have been a guest and feel that I'm a

49:49

good guest for anybody really talking

49:51

about some of those same subjects like

49:53

burnout, Soft skills,

49:55

management. A lot of what I

49:58

work with is leadership growth. Ah

50:00

I'm a is this far as

50:03

like taken some those skills around

50:05

leadership and applying to your daily

50:07

activities makes of makes life a

50:09

whole lot more structured and of

50:12

from easier. Ah so that's gonna

50:14

want to do. I.

50:16

Can be found at Simon

50:18

at Canary mechanic.com Ah, I'm

50:20

and yeah, Smith's I'm just

50:22

happy to be. Are. I'd

50:24

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50:26

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50:57

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50:59

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51:01

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