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Welcome to a Slob Comes Clean The

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podcast I am Danny Kaye White. I

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share my personal d sub of the

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kitchen process as I figure out ways

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to keep my own home under control.

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I assure the truth about cleaning and

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organizing strategies that actually work in real

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life for real people. People.

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Who don't love cleaning and organizing?

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Thanks for joining me today! This

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is Pakistan birth for ten. if

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I said three oh nine last

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week, y'all. Have

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had. Then there is that other week where I

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messed up the beginning per up anyway. Please.

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Forgive me. I'm hoping to get my brain

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back soon. We'll. See what happens?

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I'm recording this before basically a two

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week spring break as I've got college

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kids and high school kid who does

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not have the same than I have

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the same spring breakers each other's I'm

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kind of taken two weeks to enjoy

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my family right? Anyway, And

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hopefully that will restore my

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brain here. I am okay,

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so I asked for some

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questions on. Instagram. And

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air I call this my rapid Q and

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A. That. Already say this is

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gonna be rapid cuny. Anyway, I. Like

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these because it forces me to

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put things into very st quick

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answers. And yeah, know, I don't

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do a lot of distinct. Quick.

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Answers anymore. So. Or

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ever. That's just not me. I'm a big

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words person, but I do think it's valuable

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to just like put things into. This is

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what to do. And Pay And

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remember As I say this stuff.

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There's more on all of these

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things in the decluttering at the

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speed of life that because sixty

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thousand words on decluttering addressing all

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the different angles and all the

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different struggles and all the different

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things that you resist. As.

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You work on your house. The

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things that make you think, oh,

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I just I just can't because

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my situation is different. Probably talked

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about almost exactly your situation in

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that back and so. There's lots of

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I would probably talk about these different subjects

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Person. Do you still show up

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at Yard Sales? If. So how

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do you stop during or after decluttering?

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I love an amazing find! Ah I

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very. Rarely stop shop at yard

3:26

sales violent, quit and trying to

3:29

this quickly. Rights. Than my

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my way that I stopped shopping

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at Yard sales was. The

3:36

country. That turned me

3:38

off from buying other people's clutter

3:40

because I had to painfully heartbreakingly

3:42

get rid of so many things

3:44

I had found at garage sales

3:47

that didn't have a place space

3:49

in my home and so it

3:51

made the things that grad cells

3:53

look different to me. That doesn't

3:55

mean I never go, but when

3:58

I go I generally go for

4:00

a very the civic purpose. I

4:02

need such and such for this.

4:05

Purpose. I remember seeing a

4:07

lot of things at grad cells

4:09

like that. I am going to

4:11

go to garage sales and look

4:13

specifically for that am. I

4:16

still enjoy it. It's still fun to me.

4:19

That it keeps me on track

4:21

more of it. Next person. Seizure.

4:26

How. To get a seven year old onboard,

4:28

everything is a favorite and containers are still

4:31

too much. It's okay, so start with the

4:33

actual decluttering process. Make sure that you have

4:35

it printed out so that you are reading

4:37

it. And if they're seven, you know, maybe

4:40

they're starting to do their own reading anything.

4:42

Kind of read it. Together you can get

4:44

a printable of the process. That's

4:47

in all the books and everywhere. But in

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get the printable. Very succinct at

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a sob. Complain that Com/five when

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you sign up for the newsletter,

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go through the process. Remember that

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those first three layers. You.

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Are asking According to this

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seven year olds. Perspective.

5:04

On those things. So let's look for

5:06

trash first. Let them be the

5:08

one to decide what's test. Hold

5:10

your tongue because you're also going

5:12

to be as. You'll get

5:15

to everything eventually in the process If they

5:17

don't see it as trash. but hold your

5:19

time because you're awesome building trust and hey,

5:21

you're building. you're doing this together. So let's

5:23

look for trash. They find trash. Do that.

5:26

They get out the easy stuff. has an

5:28

established home somewhere else in the house as

5:30

take it they are. Now get out of

5:32

the space and let's get rid of any

5:34

dad donations. You're convinced they may not have

5:37

any. Maybe they don't but we still ask

5:39

questions and we do that when you get

5:41

those first three steps done. And.

5:43

You get those decision free, easy

5:45

items out of their you're building

5:47

momentum, but you're also. Making

5:50

it less overwhelming. Pay so

5:52

that by the time we start asking these

5:54

questions where would you look for it's first.

5:57

There's not as much stuff that we're dealing

6:00

with, it is less than it was before.

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It's also add you are seeing the visible

6:04

progress, pay and then go through item by

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item before you get to the container concept.

6:09

Where would you look for this first? Within

6:12

their room, you look for it in that drawer.

6:14

There's no space in the store. What are you

6:17

willing to get rid of to create the space?

6:19

Answer: That will have space for this item. Oh

6:21

man, I know I wish a bit off then.

6:24

That. Is the thing that they need

6:27

to identify trash right? Like what are

6:29

you willing to get rid as from

6:31

this drawer? A from this container for

6:33

you to be able to keep this

6:35

up Those per that you love so

6:37

much and all the sudden what is

6:39

trash they didn't see as trash before

6:41

they now realized. Oh wait actually that's

6:43

trash and there's room for this Now

6:45

They but really follow the process all

6:47

the way through from the very beginning

6:49

to the end. And

6:52

I it works. It

6:54

works, aren't next question? Again,

6:57

these are the sword answers right?

6:59

There are lots and lots of

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longer answers elsewhere and must us

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are messy, middle and stack help

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receiving staff doesn't inspired the wow

7:08

like it did before. If your

7:10

stack, go back to your visible

7:12

space, go back to your most

7:15

visible space and go. Declutter.

7:18

Deeper. Say I want

7:20

to make this it even easier to

7:22

maintain. my goal now is not just

7:24

so much the visible visual impact of

7:26

wow I don't love set out but

7:28

now my goal is I want life

7:30

to be easier and so I am

7:32

going to get rid of more stuff

7:34

in the space. Go back to the

7:37

visible say so that you're seeing an

7:39

impact. Their. Tents. Like a

7:41

certain sort. Quick. Answers to what

7:43

I know for a lot of people are

7:45

very. Deep, not quick, Not.

7:48

Simple. I. Sense. But

7:50

to do with emotional stuff taken from

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dead parents' house? Hard to even look

7:54

at it yet. So. If.

7:56

You've already brought it into your house. I

7:59

would say. The first thing for you to

8:01

do is just declutter your own staff and

8:03

don't look at that yet. Takes

8:05

don't think you have to start

8:08

with that super hard. legitimately. Incredibly.

8:12

Emotional stuff from case. Go ahead and working

8:14

your visible spaces. work in all of that.

8:16

Now I know sometimes there's a time schedule

8:18

you know, when you're if if maybe you

8:21

have to clean out something and you have

8:23

to have it out by a certain date.

8:25

But let's say if you brought this stuff

8:27

home already and it's in the garage, start

8:30

with other spaces in your. Home and

8:32

Time. Because. There

8:35

is probably other stuff for you to

8:37

be doing and working on. Other

8:40

than that, so do that because it

8:42

will build the cluttering momentum. It will

8:44

also free up space for you to

8:46

actually have places where the things that

8:48

you. Do eventually went to keep. The next

8:51

thing to do if you if

8:53

your house perfect or if you're

8:55

an Eb, you know difficult timeline

8:57

or whatever is give yourself permission.

8:59

To with zero commitment

9:01

go through the stuff.

9:05

With no commitment or actually making. Progress

9:07

on dispersed what you know, just you're

9:09

just looking. Don't wear mascara.

9:13

Spend the time breathing. And.

9:16

Think of it as I am

9:18

just looking three things with the

9:20

purpose of remembering at. This At this

9:22

point, I'm not actually getting rid of anything this

9:24

time. I. Say

9:26

that it's a quick answer for really? Really, really

9:28

deep problem. Okay, so know that there's more

9:30

to it than. That, but there is

9:33

value in that. Looking.

9:35

At stuff with no commitment

9:38

to actually. Doing

9:40

anything because it starts to let your

9:42

brain understand with they're his A of

9:45

the did The next time that you

9:47

go in you say okay, I'm gonna

9:49

look for trash. You're going to be

9:51

more ready to go in looking for

9:54

trash if you've done that. No commitment.

9:56

Go through before rights and you've just

9:58

grabbed it. and next. Agree.

10:02

Now. Go and looking for trash. I was given

10:04

this example just the other day. On some sort of

10:06

alive somewhere in a member where I was that. Somebody

10:09

had a similar question. She just couldn't face

10:11

her mother's things that were in her

10:13

home where her mother had had come

10:15

for the last part of her life.

10:18

And. I. Get it? You

10:20

know? I remember going through my mother

10:23

in law's an assisted living apartment. With

10:25

my job to go through everything

10:27

and. It. Felt like everything

10:29

was gonna be emotional but when I said.

10:32

Is there anything in here that isn't

10:34

emotional? Is there anything in her that

10:37

is trash? or is a donation? Once

10:39

I started look at it that way

10:41

I was like wow, You know her.

10:44

Unopened package of depends you know which

10:46

were adult diapers you know, like that

10:48

she needed at at the later part

10:50

of her life. And night.

10:53

That. Is. A donation that

10:55

is not actually sentimental to

10:57

me And pay. Or and

11:00

you know her, her stack as

11:02

of wash cloths. oh okay that

11:04

actually is just a donation. So

11:06

when I gave blacks and separated

11:08

it out and said. And

11:11

just as myself, are there any things in

11:13

here? Is. There anything

11:15

in here? Whatever. Are there things

11:17

inherit? that? Aren't

11:20

emotional and actually are dead. Donations Not

11:22

going insane. Dana Dana Just so some

11:24

of this way to stick it in

11:26

the don't box. I don't see that.

11:28

By. And I use the were just even want i can

11:30

myself. Instead

11:33

of. Asking

11:35

myself, are there any maybe? The

11:37

answer is no. When

11:41

I ask myself that I was

11:43

willing to say oh, actually yes.

11:46

Her cleaning supplies, I'm

11:48

going to need this. This nest actually

11:50

clean this place up when I'm dance,

11:53

but other than that, the rest of

11:55

it's trash or whatever. That kind of

11:57

said, There are none emotional things ensuing

11:59

that getting. the things out starts to build

12:01

the momentum and it clarifies what is left

12:03

the actually is going to have to be

12:05

dealt with the that by the time you

12:07

get to it's your brain has already started

12:10

adjusting to that's and other thing would be.

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12:17

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12:19

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12:22

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12:24

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12:26

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whole house is. A huge project. Started.

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The most visible. States in your house, this

15:45

would be the entryway wherever actual people

15:47

actually into your house when they're to

15:49

come inside. If nobody has been in

15:52

your house for a long time, where

15:54

did. It used to be and hey, where did you

15:56

imagine it was gonna be when you moved into this

15:58

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16:00

and start terrain a waitress. That's.

16:03

All you need to do here to start Because

16:05

when you're looking at the house as a projects,

16:07

you need to know where to start. That's your

16:09

most visible space and you need to know what

16:11

to do to start. And that is throw a

16:13

trash. And came. There's.

16:16

Value in starting the visible space because it

16:18

gives your place to start, but it also.

16:21

Progress. There will improve your

16:23

house. It will make you

16:25

be inspired to continue decluttering.

16:28

Because you'll see what you've done and

16:30

you'll see the pair of it and

16:32

it'll keep you going. That builds momentum.

16:35

And starting with Trash is not emotional,

16:37

but it also helps. You see? Oh,

16:39

this is what I'm actually dealing with here

16:41

and so now your brain is adjusting for

16:43

the next. Time that you go back to

16:45

be able to. and you don't move on

16:47

to the harder things because now it's not

16:49

the unknown. Any more like it was the. Next

16:52

question, I ran a day from my

16:54

house. Tips on keeping the kitchen tidy

16:56

During the day. it starts perfect so

16:58

I don't Again, I don't know very

17:00

much on any of these questions. So

17:02

I don't know. Do you make lunch for the

17:04

kids? Do you not? Do they

17:07

bring their own lunches? What? Kind of.

17:10

Cutlery. The Is Abbas Two things Here

17:12

is what I would say: If you

17:14

are the one doing the cooking for

17:16

them, I would simplify. simplify, simplify on

17:18

that. And I know that. I

17:21

known people who their kids were

17:23

i'm in a home daycare and

17:25

their favorite thing about it was

17:27

that their kids up this real

17:29

meal rights. but. I'm

17:31

not saying to change what it is that you

17:33

feed. The kids but

17:36

I am say what can I

17:38

do to simplify it because it's

17:40

becoming an issue for me that

17:42

the kitchen get out. Of control so.

17:45

How. Can I simplified? That's how can

17:47

I am. Either know what

17:49

I mean, right? For cooking.

17:51

Anything. Like that. That I

17:54

can do ahead of time so that

17:56

I am just. Dealing with

17:58

the serving dish, As opposed to the. The king

18:00

and serving dishes. Nine. I mean

18:02

like so instead of think maybe it's just the castle

18:04

this and not also the three different pots and pans

18:07

that were on the stove. Get in the sephardi to

18:09

put in the casserole or whatever you're doing. And

18:12

the other thing is. You.

18:14

Know five minute pickups and I I know

18:16

my mom. I was never good at us

18:18

and so I'm saying this as someone who

18:21

has never greatest. That's right, That's. When

18:23

my mom would have. All the

18:25

Korean kids. And. Do you

18:28

know Cousins camp? See

18:30

would. Give

18:33

them each a very

18:35

definite. Task. That

18:37

they would do during the semester.

18:39

She had a little biddy teeny

18:42

tiny. Hand. Hand

18:44

Broom I guess hand

18:46

as. Dust pan should give

18:49

them that the or that was the littlest

18:51

kids job and then everybody had like this

18:53

person is going to pick up stuff on

18:55

the floor this person is going a person

18:58

that chairs this person is going to wipe

19:00

down the table. This person is gonna do

19:02

that and everybody had a very very very

19:04

specific job that they would do. That

19:07

obviously wouldn't You know why? Me: I'm number

19:09

my dog my daughter has a dog. But. My

19:11

daughter her hide the job as using a

19:13

little hand room and dust pan when she

19:15

was two years old like that was enough.

19:17

so it it and obviously you may have

19:19

babies and set their tips but everybody had

19:22

a job and yes it takes them a

19:24

long time but also kind of gave her

19:26

time to do the things that she needed

19:28

to do or everybody was working on their

19:30

thing so fast as idea your the daycare

19:32

person I'm sure your way better that organizing

19:34

and kids and I am but I would

19:36

just say simplify, simplify, simplify and. See.

19:39

How can I worked in that five minute pick

19:41

up thing? like how can I do that? How

19:44

can I give them the I know for me

19:46

when I was a camp. I

19:49

went with our our kids from

19:51

our church to church camp. Last

19:53

summer and it had always

19:55

been this huge frustration. Everybody

19:58

hated it because. On

20:00

the last day when you were supposed to clean. Up before

20:02

he nursed this a clean the cabin before you

20:04

left. And. There.

20:06

Would be all this resent man and bomb

20:08

va my daughter were deceased. funny stories and

20:11

influence how and and sounds like than one

20:13

of us anyway. so I. The

20:15

night before the last day and these

20:17

are teenagers different thing but. Take it

20:19

how you wanna use it. I. Made.

20:23

An incredibly detailed best of luck

20:25

needed to be done. According

20:28

to we had twenty three girls and

20:30

so I came up with twenty three

20:32

difference And I mean it was like

20:34

you're gonna wipe this mirror and you're

20:36

gonna wipe this mirror and you're doing

20:38

this and you're doing this. And some

20:40

of the jobs where by necessity bigger

20:42

than other dogs but down to a

20:44

girl everybody was thrilled to have this

20:46

list they were. So it's even the

20:48

ones who got the worst jobs to

20:50

hate cleaning were like thank you. For. Just

20:52

telling me what to do. Thank. You

20:54

for giving me. I knew that this was

20:56

my thing that I had to do and

20:58

even know somebody else had an easier job.

21:01

They still didn't resent it because it took

21:03

all that ambiguity away, right? And we were

21:05

done. Literally. In. Like fifteen minutes

21:07

Because none of. The jobs were huge because

21:10

there were twenty three girls and I

21:12

had micro down the all of these

21:14

jobs to teeny tiny. Little things. That.

21:17

We were done so quick and everybody was

21:20

happy with that. So it's it's like your

21:22

job is to write down the table, your

21:24

job is to wipe down the seats

21:26

of the chairs your job is to which

21:28

we all know like kids Love. Wiping stuff

21:31

down a. Your. Job

21:33

is to wipe down. The cabinet

21:35

your job is to ah whatever you know

21:37

but that that kind of a thing. Giving

21:39

them all a job so that you also

21:42

then can do what. You need to do during

21:44

that. That would be my advice. Okay,

21:48

I'll have this question advice on how

21:50

to not get mad at normal friends.

21:53

When they complain about their houses, I

21:55

either want to scream or crime. A

21:58

Celia. The only. I

22:01

do I I feel your

22:03

pain so and. I

22:06

think that's the best way is to

22:08

remember that there are a lot of

22:11

us out there like me, who truly,

22:13

truly struggle. With others can assess and

22:15

that. There. Are

22:18

people? listening

22:20

to. The

22:23

if other people in this conversation who

22:25

maybe relate more to you but are

22:27

afraid to say it and pay, I

22:29

totally understand what you're saying, but also

22:31

to know that were often not talking

22:33

about the same thing. And the more

22:35

that you learn about what it takes

22:37

to have your house under control, What

22:39

it takes to get your house under

22:41

control. What it is that they're doing

22:44

that you're not doing, which is probably.

22:46

And I'm not saying you're not doing a but you know, enemies. Which

22:49

is probably daily pickens And you

22:51

know the things that is an

22:53

understanding. The layers. Of a clean house

22:55

without needing to be. He told the layers of

22:58

a clean house right? That. That what

23:00

I used to think with cleaning was actually

23:02

I was catching up on daily staff and

23:04

decluttering and then was too exhausted before I

23:06

ever got to the cleaning. Most likely they

23:09

are the new that kind of stuff and

23:11

so they've been keeping up with daily stuff

23:13

and they try to keep put her out

23:15

because then you know So said you're talking

23:18

about two different things and understand that but

23:20

also understand that there are plenty of people

23:22

out in the world like you and they

23:24

are listening to this. Podcast not all of

23:27

them. We need to keep making sure that

23:29

we keep reaching marks. But understand. Some

23:32

him since. Okay,

23:35

here's a great question. What do I do when I

23:38

don't remember that? I haven't i them until I've

23:40

bought a second one and see the first one

23:42

when I'm putting the second one away? Declutter

23:45

the old one. And

23:47

the reason that I say that. Is

23:50

that the pain of decluttering the

23:52

old? When. His. disdain that's

23:54

going to remind you that oh

23:56

yeah this is something i tend

23:58

to over by I

24:01

have the same experience. I go to the store and

24:03

it's like every time I go, I pick up this

24:05

one item. But every time that you go to put

24:08

it away and I realize, oh my goodness, I already

24:10

had one of these, I've got to get rid of

24:12

the other one either, throw it away, donate it, whatever

24:14

is appropriate for it. That

24:16

pain of, I can't believe this, as opposed

24:18

to just, oh, sticking it in there, sticking

24:21

it in there, sticking it in there until

24:23

it's just cluttered mess. The

24:25

pain of getting rid of it is the thing

24:27

that will trigger you to not

24:29

buy it again in the future, when

24:32

you probably already have one at home. That

24:34

will make it more of a substantial

24:36

memory than just the fact that you had had

24:38

this item and put it in there at some point. Do

24:42

you have any suggestion what laundry routine

24:44

might look like for someone without a

24:46

dryer? Thanks, yes. The laundry routine, I

24:49

recommend a laundry day. Obviously,

24:51

I have a dryer that works well for

24:53

that. But even

24:55

for the people who don't have

24:57

a dryer or do

25:01

things in a way where they need to have

25:03

it last three or four days, because

25:05

maybe they're on septic and they can't do all

25:07

that laundry on one day with septic, the

25:10

reality is that it's more about

25:12

having a beginning, a middle, and

25:14

an end. So

25:17

even if you, because you don't have a

25:19

dryer, it takes you this many days to

25:21

do the laundry, still

25:24

saying these are my laundry days, so

25:26

I gather up laundry and that is

25:28

the laundry that I'm doing. Anything new

25:30

that comes in is going in next week's

25:32

laundry. And then you work through that laundry over

25:34

the course of three days, letting it air dryer

25:36

however you do it. Which

25:38

I guess is the only way if you don't have a dryer, right? That

25:42

beginning, middle, and end to laundry

25:44

is the key, as opposed to

25:46

just the never ending emergency loads,

25:48

okay? What do

25:51

you recommend as far as storing cookware

25:53

and dishes on open shelves to avoid

25:55

a cluttered look? I,

25:57

y'all know, I think I've said it before. but

26:00

open shelving in my kitchen is my worst

26:02

nightmare. Like I have no desire, but if

26:05

that's what you got, that's what you got. The

26:07

only way to avoid a cluttered look is

26:10

to have less. So

26:12

everything has, I mean,

26:14

really, really narrowed down. I

26:19

know that some people listening might be like,

26:21

I already have narrowed down to one skillet,

26:23

but the reality is that most people listening

26:26

have never even considered that it's possible to only

26:28

have one skillet. But the space that you have

26:30

is the space that you have. So if you

26:32

want it to not look cluttered, there

26:35

needs to be less stuff. And

26:38

so really, really narrow down, live

26:40

with it for a while, experience, can you

26:42

live with less stuff or not? But

26:45

declutter, declutter, declutter, that's really the only answer.

26:48

Okay, next question, how to put it

26:50

back when I have to pull everything

26:52

out without a chance to declutter first,

26:54

replacing carpet? Okay, so if you haven't

26:57

done it yet, I

26:59

know you said you don't have a chance to declutter first, but if

27:01

you haven't done it yet, as you

27:03

are packing things up to get it out of

27:05

that space because you're having to do the

27:08

carpet replacement, okay, have

27:11

both a packing box and a donate box

27:14

so that if there is anything in a

27:16

trash bag, if there is anything that you

27:18

pick up with your hand that you immediately

27:20

know is trash or donate, it goes into

27:22

the trash bag or the donate box and

27:24

not into the packing box, okay, because that

27:26

is literally not any harder than just sticking

27:28

it in the box. And I'm saying, donations,

27:31

meaning you do not even have to think

27:34

about it, you just know immediately that it's

27:36

a donate, and trash,

27:39

obvious trash, that you immediately know is trash, okay?

27:41

So that, sometimes it's that mentality of,

27:44

oh, well, decluttering is all decision making

27:46

except that it's not. So

27:48

much of decluttering is in

27:50

those first three steps which involve no thinking,

27:52

no decisions, no emotions, okay? So

27:56

have those things there so that

27:58

as you're touching things anyway, If

28:00

you already know it's a donate or if you already know

28:02

it's trash, it goes into one of those two places.

28:05

The other things go into the box and Then

28:09

as you are unpacking it, this is a

28:11

wonderful opportunity To

28:13

embrace the reality of the space you've got

28:15

new carpet have a fresh start Okay,

28:19

as you pull something out of a box It has to

28:22

go to an actual and I say it has to obviously

28:24

we all know we can do whatever we want to do

28:26

But if you're asking my advice and you're wanting to Really

28:30

embrace the where would I look for this first

28:32

take it there now embrace the reality of that

28:34

space Okay The first ten things are

28:36

going to be super easy because things were empty and

28:38

it's like oh everything has a place and then you

28:40

Keep pulling out more and you keep pulling out more

28:42

and you keep pulling out more Every

28:45

time you pull something out one at a time. Where would I

28:47

look for this first? I would look for this Oh, I've already

28:49

put six things there. There's no room. Okay,

28:52

which thing deserves space the

28:54

least That I can

28:56

remove or maybe this item that I went

28:58

to put there actually it doesn't deserve space

29:00

there So it needs to go in the

29:03

donate box So having that on both ends

29:05

the donate box, but then really taking advantage

29:07

of the unpacking It's very similar to moving

29:09

in that Okay, final

29:11

question. Can you talk about breaking up?

29:15

Like the coffee cups and saucers from your dish

29:17

set if you never use coffee cups I'm

29:20

afraid not sure why to get rid of them even though we don't

29:22

use them and have never used them. Okay What

29:25

should I say about breaking up sets? Yes, you can

29:27

do that and

29:29

I think that Realizing

29:32

I could break upsets of things I

29:35

could get rid of just the ottoman if I

29:37

love the chair and for some reason I bought

29:39

an ottoman with it and the

29:42

ottoman is only ever causing problems and

29:44

tripping and People dump stuff

29:46

on it and it but I could I think

29:49

I that's that was one of my personal

29:51

experiences was I

29:54

was like, but it goes with the chair But

29:57

the ottoman is making my life harder

30:00

And the chair is making

30:02

my life good. So I can get rid

30:04

of the ottoman. You can

30:06

have just a chair. And

30:09

so I talked myself into getting rid of

30:11

just the ottoman and it freed up so

30:13

much space. Well, same thing. Are

30:15

the cups and saucers making your life harder? Are

30:18

they something that you then have

30:20

to shift around and move and you don't have

30:23

all the room that you want in your cabinet?

30:27

Okay, then they

30:29

are not worth your

30:31

time because they're

30:34

not worth the time. They're not worth the effort.

30:36

Getting rid of them would make your life easier

30:38

for you to function, for you to live.

30:41

And there are no rules

30:43

about that. Okay. It's also the more

30:45

that I do this, the more that

30:47

I avoid sets of things

30:49

in the future. Now, I

30:52

have to say as a person that I am,

30:54

there was a time when if you showed me

30:56

a set of

30:59

dishes and one of

31:01

the packages said 95 pieces

31:03

and the other package said

31:05

60 pieces. And

31:09

I looked at them and I thought, oh, I

31:12

don't need all that stuff, but it's 90 pieces. That's

31:15

more for my money. And I would grab the 90

31:17

piece set. So as

31:19

you're decluttering other things, the

31:22

more that you declutter in

31:24

my experience, the more I decluttered,

31:26

the more I was ready to

31:29

be more brutal

31:31

and get over these hang

31:34

ups that I also had about breaking up

31:36

sets. The more that I then would look

31:38

at the packaging and think, I don't want

31:40

95 things. 60

31:42

things sounds better to me now than 95 things. But

31:45

it was making that shift in my mindset. So

31:47

go ahead and get rid of other stuff, all

31:50

the stuff that you can. And by the time you

31:52

get to your dishes, you're going to go, oh yeah,

31:54

life is easier with less stuff. I'm

31:57

more than happy to get rid of these things that I need.

32:00

didn't want because it just will immediately achieve

32:02

less stuff. If you have an eight piece

32:04

setting and there's coffee cups and saucers for

32:06

eight different things, that is a big chunk

32:09

of space that you're going to get back.

32:11

Okay. Anyway, that's it.

32:14

Okay. I hope this has been

32:16

helpful. I hope it hasn't been too hard for Rachel to

32:18

edit because I feel like I have been a little all

32:20

over the place today. Anyway, I hope

32:22

you're having a great week and I will talk

32:24

to you all next week. All right. Bye.