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crown is yours. This

1:24

week we are diving into all

1:26

things All Star. I was there. I missed a bunch of it

1:28

working. It

1:53

was good. It was good. I had a good time. E.T.,

1:58

we had some fun laughing about it. a few

2:00

different things. Some

2:04

numbers came back early. Highest

2:07

ratings up

2:09

until Sunday. I don't know the Sunday's numbers

2:12

yet, but Friday

2:14

and Saturday we did get some big

2:16

numbers in so we will

2:18

be discussing all of that. So for me, my favorite

2:20

part was getting some of those numbers. And

2:23

lastly, our guest this week, I had the pleasure

2:25

of actually growing up and

2:28

watching and then playing against him. Rasheed

2:31

Baltonlai Wallace. I'll

2:34

never forget one of my first times playing

2:36

against the Detroit Pistons. I saw Richard

2:40

Rip Hamilton and he's

2:43

one of my favorite players growing up playing

2:45

at UConn. And I remember being in all of him

2:47

and Al Iverson kind of had to punch me in

2:49

the chest and say, snap out of it. Like you

2:51

better than those guys. But Rasheed Wallace

2:54

was one of those individuals where when

2:56

I stepped on the court, I just remember those childhood

2:58

memories. And we

3:00

talked about it during the conversation.

3:03

So hope you all tap in.

3:06

And I remember by Gownovich,

3:08

I was in the game with him, the one that's

3:11

in Atlanta. And he was

3:13

one of the first guys that

3:16

came up to me was like, man, I just

3:18

looked up to you growing up. I'm like, man, what

3:20

the hell? Like it was one of the few times

3:22

him and my

3:24

guy, Mikelle, Mikelle Bridges, my young boy, he

3:26

started to grow up. He said he cried

3:28

when Chris Webber took my jersey. So I

3:31

felt that because I had it with guys

3:33

like Sheed and Rip Hamilton. I

3:35

never had it with guys like them, but

3:38

it always be like some random like point forward that would

3:40

just come up to me. Oh, yeah. And it would be

3:42

tough for like stare at me and I'd be like, what

3:44

the fuck are you looking at? Point

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3:57

Point forward. This

4:00

is Evan Turner, which really gives you the true

4:02

essence of the message of basketball, but life, and

4:04

that means something. It

4:07

is like a finger pointing away to

4:09

the moon. Don't

4:12

concentrate on the finger or

4:14

you will miss all that

4:16

heavenly glory. That

4:19

level of understanding has

4:22

been taken out of the game. Any

4:27

favorite moments from the weekend? I

4:32

think the energy of the weekend was pretty cool. I

4:36

saw a few things from the weekend where I was

4:38

like, wow, that's dope. You know what

4:40

I mean? Obviously,

4:42

you talk about the All-Star game, look at Dane,

4:44

what he was doing in the All-Star game.

4:46

You look how Tyree Taliburn started the All-Star game

4:48

off. That was pretty crazy. You

4:52

look at Michael Parsons and CJ Stroud going

4:55

crazy on the home for the celebrity game.

4:57

I missed all that. I'm sad. I missed

4:59

it all. That was at the rookie

5:01

game getting ready for that. Okay,

5:03

okay. Yeah. That rookie game

5:05

was crazy, bro. That rookie game

5:07

was really, really good. I'm not going

5:09

to lie. One thing that people aren't

5:11

talking about is the

5:13

G League and Night Boys. Was it

5:15

Mathis Pizoulis and Ron Holland? They were

5:18

able to take out Victor Wambianma and

5:20

all of them. That was

5:22

a pretty good upset and then they lost to who

5:24

was it? Ben Mathis' team. What

5:27

I'm saying is like, that's some pretty

5:29

stiff competition moving up, G. I

5:32

thought the weekend went well in that

5:34

sense and obviously you had the Steph

5:36

and Sabrina shoot out

5:39

that really took the world by storm

5:41

and say the least. What did you think of that?

5:44

That was dope. I actually went down

5:46

on the floor to actually watch that

5:49

one event. I hung it down. Was

5:52

there ever any doubt? Okay.

5:59

It was funny. that

6:01

I heard he

6:03

wasn't making the shots in

6:07

his preparation. He

6:09

was struggling a little bit. This

6:12

is what someone was like. Someone hit me and was like,

6:14

yo, I'm

6:16

a little nervous. He's trying to find

6:18

his rhythm. And

6:21

I'm thinking to myself, oh,

6:23

here we go. I'm not knowing how the

6:25

reaction is going to be. You always get

6:27

nervous from... Because our fans'

6:29

sentiments can be

6:31

taken all out of context and just be

6:34

a narrative that we don't need on both

6:37

sides. And I don't like that. And

6:39

I wanted to be regardless of whoever wins. It

6:42

was a great moment. How do we continue

6:44

to grow the sport? How do we get

6:46

to have fan participation on both sides, little

6:49

boys and girls be inspired? And that's what

6:51

happened. And I think you can have that

6:53

going forward. And so it worked out. But

6:56

I heard he wasn't making shots preparing

6:58

for it. And as it's

7:00

going, I had to tell a few people, shout out

7:02

to my man, Sir. I met Sir. Oh,

7:05

Sir is dope. And he's one of my

7:07

favorite artists. Yeah, he's dope. Yeah, he's one

7:09

of my favorite artists. And I noticed him

7:11

before he noticed me and he was shocked

7:13

when I showed him my library. So he's

7:16

asking me what's going to happen. I'm like, listen, when the lights

7:18

come on, 30 come

7:20

on. And it was just a lot.

7:22

It was a good time. It was fun to see. Energy. It

7:24

was a great energy in there. It's so

7:26

funny because obviously, Sabrina is such a

7:29

great shooter. But I

7:31

just know stuff from like,

7:33

chef, like chef Curry. So I tweeted

7:35

like, it

7:38

was equivalent to when the

7:41

Lakers won in a bubble. And

7:44

I also can't believe I let people

7:46

and not saying this, I can't believe

7:48

I let the TV make me really

7:50

believe a team comprised

7:53

of LeBron James and Anthony

7:55

Davis might not have a chance.

7:57

At least that year. I'm

8:00

like man, Seth Boggess for doing this and it

8:02

had nothing to do with Sabrina because it's a

8:04

great big show and when you break down she

8:07

shot, she shot the shit out the ball. I

8:10

wish I would have saw three rounds. I

8:12

think they kind of should have changed her to be completely

8:14

honest. I wish I would have saw three rounds. But last

8:17

thing I'm gonna say on that was just like I was just like bro, there

8:20

was no doubt in my mind, Steph will win. But

8:23

was that wrong for saying? Well,

8:26

you know what I mean?

8:28

One way or the other or is

8:30

it the comparison is women are better

8:32

shooters naturally than men. You

8:35

know what I'm saying? Thank you. I think people

8:37

don't. Their skill set is naturally

8:39

better. People don't understand it. Like their skill set,

8:41

basketball, like the way they play is a naturally

8:43

a better game. So like when you sit here

8:45

and they're talking about can Steph beat Sabrina? I

8:47

didn't want to like yell at anybody but I'm

8:49

like women are better shooters than men. So

8:52

I think people don't understand what's

8:57

being said because they only take

8:59

three words or

9:02

four words out of it as opposed to

9:04

taking the entire picture. They

9:06

take four words and then they wake up. Exactly.

9:11

You have to you have to remind them that

9:14

Amazon is the everything store. But

9:17

when if someone was to say today, man,

9:20

Amazon just sell books, someone

9:22

would go crazy and say, look

9:24

at these idiots. They don't know about Amazon. They

9:26

think Amazon just sold books. Like

9:28

that's literally how they started. So

9:32

that's a part of the world we

9:34

live in in terms of the

9:37

NBA or the game of basketball being

9:40

the most socially

9:42

followed sport with this fan base. And so

9:44

there's so many voices that are included now

9:46

and it's just everything gets spun out

9:49

of control and you have to be careful with that.

9:52

But it was a beautiful thing. It was beautiful to see. I

9:54

will go back to the

9:57

location. And

9:59

I think people. forget how Indiana,

10:02

they say, well, it was

10:04

Canada was where basketball started, right? Yeah,

10:08

that's we did. That's hilarious. Yeah, it did.

10:10

Right. But they say it was invented in

10:12

Canada, but it was made in Indiana. And

10:16

they were saying they were saying it all weekend

10:18

around Larry Burr, around Reggie Miller, I had her

10:20

Adam Silver said a few times, and

10:23

we come from Illinois. And so

10:25

we understand what type of

10:27

basketball culture that Indiana is. And

10:30

so the buzz was incredible. And

10:32

you talk about the essence of the

10:34

game of basketball. It was

10:36

a perfect location when you get places

10:38

to absolutely appreciate the game. It was

10:40

beautiful. And HB, go ahead. No,

10:43

no, well, we play the big 10 always played their

10:45

big 10 tournament there. So I

10:47

was well aware I'm always for like the

10:49

big 10 tournament being an indie or anything

10:52

because indie might not

10:54

be the most sexy as city

10:56

wise, but downtown is beautiful walking

10:58

Midwest people are great and restaurants

11:00

downtown are unbelievable. And then you go

11:03

right into your family.

11:05

Yeah, basketball country. So

11:09

it was the most

11:11

buzz I felt was the HBCU game.

11:15

And it just has the energy to

11:17

it. I mean, the bands, you know,

11:19

the cheer squad, you know,

11:21

the competition everywhere, they the cheerleaders are

11:23

competing against each other. And

11:26

it's just that the energy of it was a beautiful thing

11:28

to see. So I was just

11:30

I was on the entire time. It's like 9am

11:33

to 1am every single day. And then prepping

11:35

for the next day. I had

11:38

great, great, great, great

11:41

communication with players, great interaction with

11:43

different people. It was just

11:45

buzzing. I want to I want to say I

11:47

my presence was felt in a rookie game, talking

11:49

to the guys before the game about competing and

11:52

then Ben did that. But my presence

11:54

wasn't felt at all during

11:56

an all-star game. So I mean, but

12:00

I mean, East got off crazy. So that's hard

12:02

for anybody to come back from. You had one

12:04

dude start off the first minute and a half

12:06

at five threes before game even made a shot.

12:09

So. But let's dive

12:12

into the actual game itself and. But

12:14

can we give flowers real quick to

12:16

Matt McClung? This

12:19

second dunk contest was pretty impressive, bro.

12:22

I give him love. I mean. This was

12:24

pretty impressive, bro. Like when I sit there,

12:27

I'm like, some of the

12:29

stuff he was doing impressive and I want to give him

12:31

the benefit of a doubt. Shorty averaging

12:33

28 a game and a G. So

12:36

it's not like he doing like some, not 28,

12:38

but he doing dirt. So are they winning?

12:41

I don't know. What the fuck they

12:43

doing down there, my bro? I don't.

12:45

Okay. Okay. Are they winning? I

12:47

don't. Do you know who it is? No,

12:50

I don't. Are they winning? Because.

12:53

But the dunk for crazy. Because why? Well,

12:55

the question would be, I don't know. This is the

12:58

only, this is the question I have to pose. Why

13:01

isn't he in the league?

13:04

I know the league is a real league, bro. Like you

13:06

can't be a, like, this is all I'm gonna say. And

13:09

we keep wondering like, why is he in the league? Or I

13:11

look at some of my friends like, bro, this is a real

13:13

league, dog. With the best of the

13:15

best. Like when you

13:17

see people are like, why not make the league? The dude

13:19

was six feet playing overseas. He probably shot 39% his whole

13:21

life. And then

13:24

literally you couldn't give him the ball in the

13:26

league. You understand what I'm saying? So when people

13:28

are asking, you know why you're in the league? You're not good enough

13:30

to be in a league, dog. It's not shocking. We talking about, let's

13:32

move it up to 500. Like, no, bro.

13:35

It's probably only 350 real players

13:37

who got an extra 100, you know, 100

13:39

extra spots. You feel me? I

13:41

say too many guys touch the league. I feel like we

13:43

should make it harder to get to the league. And based

13:46

on what you said, you

13:49

know, do we open up the dunk contest to

13:52

everybody? And I'm

13:55

not trying to Take the

13:57

spotlight off of Mac, because... That

14:00

doggy day we took it and he that the

14:02

ball go and grab it is up the backwards.

14:05

That was impressive. I had to

14:08

come alone. Now someone did. Bring.

14:10

This up to me. In this is

14:12

a white guy. Room and

14:15

he say it. Felt.

14:19

The. Real essence of Indiana. During.

14:22

A duck hunters. And

14:24

what he meant was. Because I

14:26

was in there. They. Were

14:28

just booing. Because of the

14:30

score, they were booing. Zealand

14:33

when he when a next that's done.

14:36

Scene and Brown and it was like

14:38

or it was a real interesting five

14:41

when and if I did not win,

14:43

stood for and right in Wimax. Not

14:45

going in wasn't Max thought he admitted

14:47

in on of course not. but it

14:49

was really interesting and I was doing

14:52

my thing. you know, trying to know

14:54

where my has. But.

14:56

I when he brought to my attention. I

14:58

had a thing back and I was like whoa.

15:01

I saw that I felt that

15:03

energy by disavows dollars isn't see

15:05

a was V was really interesting.

15:08

And I'm in a school. Come with the zebra that

15:10

is going to come with it. And. As

15:12

understated twenty I can also say when

15:14

our president and into. Our.

15:16

Services from. From three, why

15:18

do what a picture a pause your spray

15:20

painting on his shirt. With the

15:23

ways rooms in that and on line up

15:25

on was. Really

15:29

give a fuck about this. To have

15:31

a black man on your chest isn't

15:33

Santa is crazy. right? By

15:35

I'm. Good at

15:37

the was in a curtains isn't Tatum

15:39

said it during our all star game,

15:41

didn't lobby for himself and bad that

15:43

we want to see stars bet M

15:45

B I don't Yes yes the and

15:47

when I added in there is was

15:49

is there something that becomes. More.

15:52

Solid objects of the people say

15:54

something like Yoda, Stephen Sabrina thing wasn't

15:56

be. Taught to codes.

16:00

The Qt was sued a was who was

16:02

shooting regular said are getting by with a

16:04

jazz.com says we watch it all town and

16:06

matter de lima com os freshener in a.

16:09

Trip from head to toe and people I hope

16:11

you drip in the same thing you to men

16:13

as an army of not about who said is

16:15

like you know much about like how it's done.

16:18

It's about who says in a popularity behind and

16:20

at the bets Real star power of mine is

16:22

that not nothing as he did either got it

16:24

or you don't. After. An hour

16:26

late for the dark times as a

16:28

cheetah was beautiful. That is where. The.

16:30

Conversations. Is.

16:33

Coming out of the Sabrina statute

16:35

up. A was

16:37

it is accurate you just say it was

16:39

in about You know what they data was

16:41

who did it. And.

16:45

Also we gain is about our biggest,

16:47

our best and brightest and for it's

16:49

all the in one place at the

16:51

same time in basketball to be played

16:53

in it's purest form now that goes.

16:56

Straight. To the all Star

16:58

game and these guys again

17:01

so good. And. Gilbert Arenas

17:03

is. My.

17:06

Keys is has a strong emphasis

17:08

on the move that these guys

17:10

can make offensively In office of

17:12

prowess that is in today's game

17:14

that wasn't in. Previous.

17:16

Decades previous errors and how the game has

17:19

transformed into all the moves in we spoke

17:21

about. you know he only able to do

17:23

a certain amount of move back then. wonderful

17:25

pullouts you had to spend, maybe had between

17:28

the legs into a pull Ups in a

17:30

Sissy Vol. He talked about Ring Hill and

17:32

a crossover in thickness as Six Eight and

17:34

Be a City and Mcs got he never

17:36

sought out beforehand. Does games keeps evolving but

17:39

I will say. One

17:42

of the issues that appear like we

17:44

have is it isn't just about the

17:46

defense, it's about how the game is

17:48

played in. See. Wallace speaks

17:50

about this. Were.

17:54

All. The guys out there. have

17:56

a high usage rate on their team

17:58

and how was gameplay, heavy

18:01

pick and rolls, five

18:03

outs, shoot a

18:05

lot of threes, teams are getting 63 pointers

18:09

up a game. And so

18:11

now you got the Pacers are scoring 140

18:13

points for about two months there in

18:15

the first half of the season. And so all

18:18

that's telling me when you get all these guys

18:20

on the court at the same time and you

18:22

want them to play defense, no,

18:25

it's hard to have defense because there's

18:28

no half court quality to the game.

18:30

Like I watched a 2001 all-star

18:33

game and you had

18:35

pick and rolls into a post up,

18:37

into a split actions, into a pin

18:40

down. You

18:43

saw every all-faceted game, right? Yeah,

18:46

you saw scissor cuts, you know, you

18:48

seen side of the bounds, played cuts,

18:50

cuts down the middle to really beat

18:52

people down. Yeah, yes. Backdoors, like

18:55

how many backdoors have we seen? And then you

18:57

see every facet of the game, you saw fast

18:59

breaks, you know what I'm saying? And then you

19:01

saw, you know, street ball mixed in every once

19:04

in a while, you know what I'm saying?

19:07

And now you see every time you got five

19:09

guys on a perimeter and this is like, I

19:11

don't want to be X'ing out here going this

19:13

way. Like you over extending yourself defensively because of

19:15

how the game is played. And so

19:18

does the game need to be made more

19:20

physical to combat that? Or it's

19:22

like, where do we want to go? Because you can't be mad

19:24

at the way the all-star game is

19:26

when a game has floated in that direction because of

19:28

the three point shot. And you're absolutely right.

19:30

I think there's little things I want to

19:32

see change, bro. Like I get

19:34

tired when I see the point guard scream for the

19:37

big man just because I love

19:39

Bam. I think Bam's unbelievable, but I

19:41

can do without watching him push the ball. Unpopular

19:44

opinion. Yannis, please get your ass in the

19:46

pick and roll in the short dunker. I'm

19:48

straight on you doing

19:50

the moves. I much rather see the nastiest

19:52

do it. And you

19:55

understand what I'm saying? That's what's fucking the game. breathe

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Forward. All right, for this week's

20:59

Heard Them Say segment, where we dive into all

21:01

the chatter we've been hearing on our other end.

21:04

What would you... Cause

21:06

the All-Star Game was a hit this

21:08

year. Yeah, it was. But everyone

21:10

asked all these questions, and I'm just throwing stuff out

21:12

there. NFL tweaked

21:15

some things with the Pro Bowl. They

21:17

just moved it to Orlando. They play flag, and

21:19

they have events, the skill set

21:22

stuff. It's almost like Saturday nights, Friday

21:24

nights. Everyone

21:26

has an opinion on it. What's Evan's opinion,

21:29

or how can I take your opinion and

21:31

turn it into something that helps Sunday's

21:33

main event of All-Star weekend? That's tough. I

21:36

think we should start the game with a

21:38

one-on-one to see who gets the ball first.

21:41

Oh! You know what I

21:44

mean? Something crazy is gonna really... Because at

21:46

any day, dudes won't care about games like

21:48

competitor. This is what we forget

21:50

about athletes as well. All this negativity comes

21:52

down. At the very least, a

21:54

competitor is competitor at its very core. You can

21:56

act like you don't care, but like you throw

21:58

them out there, something's gonna... He's going to shake

22:01

in and you don't see the magic inside of

22:03

them pause You get a bunch of alpha

22:05

males in the room and you say this is the pause the

22:07

biggest alpha male You put everybody to the back Most

22:10

athletes I'm like fuck you. You don't care about my town

22:12

as much I'm just gonna do this and a third unless

22:14

mine sensitive is crazy So I feel

22:16

as though you either do like a

22:18

one-on-one two or two something weird like that Even

22:21

you look at the five on five games that they're

22:24

doing for like the rising star joint. That's pretty fun

22:26

It is where players are about that

22:29

when players are engaged non-stop Because

22:31

at the end of the day you sitting there. It's like alright, I'm gonna have

22:33

to You know go right at

22:35

it because I'm on a spotlight now going head to head

22:37

with a dude You see how hard those

22:39

dudes play post game In

22:41

a one-on-one to team USA when

22:43

you remember watching Katie versus a boy verse

22:46

Paul Yeah, that one too. And

22:48

then when you get the 2000 had it the 2000

22:50

had it with kg Ray Allen or you're right He

22:52

they was going at it full court one-on-one Yeah

22:54

But then things like that and you know when

22:57

you deal with a superstar you deal with superstars

22:59

their spots are already Solidified to the contract is

23:01

up unless it's something crazy. What really

23:03

pushes them or gives them gumption to get better

23:05

It's like no somebody just exposed

23:07

me on a national stage And

23:10

I'm not saying that would work for sure But I think

23:12

we'll get the juices flow to compete and legit be like

23:14

man here go our team five on five Abraham

23:17

here go 200 bands. Well, who really gonna put

23:19

up a half a mil a day on stuff

23:21

You understand I'm saying or like sharing like let as

23:24

opposed and go talk to the

23:27

players But this is with anything like if

23:29

they're doing it hear how they want to wrap

23:31

it But what gets them going much more somebody

23:33

coming in but this is all star and I

23:35

built this 45 years ago and entertained So they

23:38

don't make my bra. I'm not no show pony.

23:40

I'm the man So

23:43

I thought I found a clip of Kobe. I never

23:45

saw this and this I saw this maybe two days

23:48

ago I've never seen this clip which is interesting on

23:50

the author name, right? so

23:52

Kobe said You

23:54

got guys that play harder And

23:57

you see LA in the summer then they

23:59

do in the all-star game So

24:01

that got me thinking, it's

24:05

24 guys in an off-start game,

24:07

right? Yeah. Add

24:11

one player, add one player,

24:13

so you got 24 guys

24:16

at another player where

24:18

it's like, okay, who got snubbed? It

24:21

would have been Sabonis this year. He would have been

24:23

the 25th player. And

24:26

what you do is UCLA,

24:29

we plan a six. Or

24:33

you got two courts going on at the same time. So

24:36

it's 14's plan at one time,

24:38

and then it's another team that lost.

24:40

Get your ass off the court. Yeah,

24:43

keep going. Now, it

24:45

was a winner's court, and it's a

24:47

loser's court. Okay. So if

24:49

you're in a winner's court and you lose, you go to

24:52

the loser's court. If you go to the loser's court and

24:54

you lose, you're off in a team that was already off,

24:56

they're on to get to the winner's court. And

24:58

Paul, he's been still off. And you can

25:00

have it in the big football arenas, so

25:02

you can have two courts going. All

25:05

right, and then you're missing the number one part, which

25:07

is the best part when you go back to 03.

25:10

You go back to Chicago, NBA. When

25:13

them games really mean something, like the Elam ending,

25:15

or like the last five minutes when you have

25:17

the cream of the crop, and

25:20

they're competing going face to face, when

25:22

the games are quite like, it's

25:24

something like spectacular. Go back to the

25:26

03 All-Star game. Go back

25:28

to Chicago All-Star game. Them last three

25:30

or four minutes, bro. Yep. That

25:33

took like tenacity, or even when Kobe and

25:35

Brad and Drake fucked up the pitcher, and

25:38

they regard each other. When those teams hit

25:40

close and he's proud on the side, bro,

25:42

you're going to still see real like, man,

25:44

you're going to see shit. Yeah. Holy

25:46

men, like literally like, bro,

25:48

they're going to get illuminated once they get

25:51

going. And then you got to throw Kyrie

25:53

in there for sure. Kyrie

25:55

can't spend another... That's

25:57

the thing too. Kyrie got to be able to hoop too.

26:00

That's from the players. Kyrie should be

26:02

able to play for somebody's spot every year, since

26:04

we for sure aren't going to get them into

26:06

the All-Star game. We not. So that's what

26:08

we do. We have a

26:10

players committee. It's like, all right, here's our designated

26:12

player. Kyrie's our designated player. Players

26:15

choice. Yes, players choice. Absolutely. I

26:17

like it. Absolutely. The meads want to meads

26:19

to vote for MVP or the league or

26:21

whatever. And we have our players award and

26:23

they be like, well, this is how the

26:25

players feel. You want to know why? Because

26:27

they're the experts. So

26:30

there we go, bro. That's

26:32

it. Message. Message. Point.

26:36

Forward. Now, I think everybody understands

26:39

where the real grind begins, which is

26:41

at the All-Star weekend. So

26:43

touch and base with our friends at Drive

26:45

Kings to get a sense of where NBA

26:47

title odds are, where they stand today, as

26:50

teams head into the home stretch. NBA

26:53

champion odds at the moment.

26:56

Celtics are the favorites at plus 260. The

27:00

Nuggets actually have the second best odds

27:02

at plus 475. Interesting

27:04

to me how they kind of limped

27:06

into the All-Star break. And then

27:09

the Clippers, who I think are our

27:11

favorites, with the third best odds

27:13

at plus 500. I

27:16

like that bat. I ain't going to lie. I like that

27:18

little Clippers bat. That's why I bat, G. I might take

27:21

me a little 10 bands. And

27:23

I think they have a lot of room for growth

27:26

with that team to continue to jail. And

27:29

you get a group of guys, especially those type

27:31

of guys, that believe. You

27:33

know what I mean? Especially you get

27:36

a winner like Kawhi. You

27:38

get front runner individuals that believe they can

27:40

win. Bro, they dangerous. Think about front runners,

27:42

shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But

27:44

think about when the front runner get on.

27:48

He dangerous, shit. That's

27:50

interesting what you're saying, because Chief was

27:52

saying that earlier, it's like an All-Star

27:54

game. You've got guys who players

27:57

really know it ain't it. They ain't it going

27:59

into. to the

28:01

playoffs. And that kind of takes me

28:03

to the odds for

28:05

number one seed in East Conference.

28:09

Actually on the Eastern Conference, the Celtics

28:11

are such heavy favorites, and I've never

28:13

heard of this, sports books

28:17

don't think anybody has enough of a

28:19

chance of passing them to even offer

28:21

the odds. And y'all gambled

28:23

so much that it must be crazy because they don't

28:25

even give you a chance to bet. That's crazy, they

28:27

must be losing money. Western

28:30

Conference number one seed, Timberwolves

28:32

are the favorites at number one,

28:34

at plus 160, Clippers have the

28:37

best odds at 250 to

28:39

be the number one seed. And then the Thunder,

28:41

the Thunder, I don't think we went

28:43

into the season thinking that the Timberwolves or Thunder would

28:46

have these great of odds at being number

28:48

one. And the Thunder are the third

28:50

best odds at plus 340. But

28:53

in our world as players, especially

28:57

the Clippers, well, match-ups, I

28:59

think it matters, but do you wanna be,

29:02

do you wanna be the number one seed in the West

29:04

as the Timberwolves or the Thunder? That's

29:07

the odds that needs to be made

29:10

going forward. I'm dodging that boy at

29:12

all costs. That's what I'm trying to do. Remember, we'll

29:14

use it for a perfect example and we'll finish it

29:16

off, pause. You go into

29:18

2012 playoffs, right? We

29:22

spent most of the season number one, then

29:25

does third coaching, we end up falling number eight. Last

29:28

team, when we balling there, like who would y'all

29:30

rather play? Would y'all rather win the seventh seed

29:32

or the eighth seed? It's like the last hour.

29:35

And we're like, well, shoot. I remember

29:37

saying like, we get matched up with

29:39

the Bulls. That means we

29:41

dodged a tougher team. You

29:44

know what I'm saying? It was like, and then

29:46

it was like, okay, with the Bulls,

29:49

do y'all want the first seed or second seed? I'm

29:51

not saying we're scary, but we beat y'all three out

29:53

of last four times. And we

29:55

be getting in y'all last. Like, you know

29:57

what I'm saying? And when you see that,

30:00

sign up for that, it's like, no, you got to be, those

30:03

teams' paws are deep, and that eighth seed, sometimes

30:05

you might want to slide to that third seed

30:07

for the year. You know

30:09

what I mean? That's true. Even when I went

30:11

number two in the draft, I'm like, man, I

30:13

want to go seventh, or like, you

30:15

know what I mean, or like fifth, like. It

30:18

should have been a Penny Hardaway, Chris Webber situation

30:23

where there was a trade made. So you could have

30:25

got picked second, but being traded to a situation that

30:27

was beneficial to you in

30:29

your career. Or just whatever it was,

30:31

but when I was sitting here, I'm just like, all

30:33

right, Minnesota Timberwolves, they're

30:35

third, they're whatever, fourth, whatever, or

30:38

New Jersey, they're fourth, da da

30:40

da da. Seventh was the

30:42

beige boy, Steph Curry. Like, you know

30:44

what I mean? Copy. You

30:46

know what I mean? So you go there, it's like, no, ideally,

30:49

sometimes taking a ladder L can help you

30:51

early in life, I mean, later in life,

30:53

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31:46

forward. PJ Tucker

31:49

was fined for saying

31:52

he wanted to play basketball because

31:54

he wasn't, so he can't earn a living

31:56

or he can't create value for himself. It

32:00

should be a topic of

32:02

discussion going forward, where he

32:04

is a guy that is not punished for trying

32:06

to make a living. It's not a superstar demanding

32:08

to get out of a situation he doesn't like.

32:10

It's just a guy who wants to play and

32:12

it's Coach Vouche for him. The

32:16

same thing that makes you laugh, makes you cry, man.

32:18

The game teaches you the toughest shit. It's the best

32:20

thing in the NBA. What's your line?

32:22

The game foul in the... The

32:24

game foul in the ref 30. Y'all

32:27

have a good weekend. Alright,

32:30

now it's time for our conversation

32:32

with the one, the only, Rashid

32:34

Wallace. Oh,

32:37

he ready? He ready? He ready for that? He

32:43

ready. What's good, Dre? How

32:46

we doing, fam? Man, man, I

32:48

can't complain. Good brother, I can't complain. Laying low up

32:51

under that radar, staying in my lane from the sign

32:53

of the chain. Now

32:55

you ain't laying low. Your

32:58

presence is being felt. I

33:03

go way, way, way, way,

33:05

way back. I

33:07

want to say I was introduced to basketball

33:09

by Michael Jordan in the Fab Five and

33:13

it transitioned into Carolina

33:16

Blue. I hated him because they beat the

33:18

Fab Five and R.I.P.

33:21

Eric Montrose. Word. But

33:24

yes, like he broke my heart. But

33:27

that was my introduction to Dean Smith. And

33:30

I think the first Carolina team that I fell

33:32

in love with or how I fell in love

33:35

with Carolina, this

33:37

individual, like he was

33:39

just... I never seen anyone move

33:41

like that with the size, the skill

33:43

set. I feel like

33:45

that's what's missing from the game right

33:47

now. We'll dive into that. But

33:50

from Philadelphia, Simon

33:53

Gratz. Sir.

33:57

Mr. USA Basketball. Two

34:01

time high school, all American, Mr. USA

34:03

basketball. It doesn't have the

34:05

same umph to it anymore. Like that's when

34:08

it was like really, really meant something. Everybody

34:10

was in the pool, you know, it wasn't

34:12

fragmented. And you know, you had to have

34:14

a full skillset, played

34:17

in Carolina, drafted 1995, fourth

34:21

pick by the Washington Bullets, the Bullets back

34:23

then, wow. Holds

34:28

the NBA record. I

34:31

want to get into the Bullets as well. Holds the NBA

34:33

record for most technical files,

34:35

most ejections. And the single season. And

34:39

the single season, yes. Now

34:41

here's the thing that I love the most

34:43

because there is a social

34:45

media site that has, I don't know, maybe

34:47

a couple of hundred thousand followers from

34:50

a phrase that you invented or coined,

34:53

ball don't lie. We heard it on a

34:56

hundred game annual basis because

34:58

you're always in a playoffs, always making deep runs. So

35:00

we heard it night in, night out. There's

35:04

some amazing things that folks, they

35:07

never like attaching to

35:09

the greatness of our African-American athletes and

35:11

how you passed out water and Flint door

35:13

to door. No one wants to talk

35:15

about that. And our

35:17

cultural presence. We talk about the Fab Five,

35:20

the black socks, the baggy pants. We

35:22

talk about somebody wearing high top Air

35:24

Force Ones with the straps strapped on

35:27

backwards and making it cool for

35:29

kids to actually hoop in Air Force Ones,

35:31

not knowing you had a different technology system

35:33

in your soul. I

35:36

like to welcome Mr. Rasheed Wallace

35:38

to the show. That

35:41

was actually amazing, Dre. That was

35:43

actually very, a great intro. Okay,

35:46

so I took some heat sheet. I

35:48

took some heat and I still stand by it. And I

35:50

love this guy. And I think people

35:52

don't understand we make comparisons. They

35:56

don't understand what we're saying. We Just hold all

35:58

of, we just holding ourselves. Pierce

36:00

to a high standards and Yon as

36:02

is one of the most dominant players

36:04

in our game. And his air. he's

36:06

got a torch right now it's spoke

36:08

about. This is somewhat a Guy's Lights

36:10

staff. Katie. Bron. Bron.

36:13

Especially like they they how to down.

36:16

They. Held their air down and up towards

36:18

has been passes Yannis joker like those

36:20

guys have the tours like as like

36:22

they kind of like his hand and

36:24

being in it off and I'm trying

36:26

to get people to understand. We. Had

36:29

a air way. It was You was Chris

36:31

Webber. It. Was Ah.

36:34

Karma. Karma easy

36:36

it was Samsung is it

36:38

was Don't forget about midnight

36:40

only only me as a

36:42

that when you mix i

36:45

was before dawn microfracture like

36:47

people don't understand that position

36:49

and how. To wash

36:51

our was the first hundred me

36:53

not player been was as on

36:55

your team in D C as

36:57

well. I people understand how you

36:59

you couldn't have a weakness in

37:01

your air and so when I

37:03

say this receive Wallace. Was.

37:06

Was. Was. A better version

37:08

was a better player they I think they.

37:11

There's. That thinking and I'm saying that it's

37:13

a disc is not a not. I'm just

37:15

trying to get into understand how good or

37:18

see Wallace. Is was

37:20

whatever you want to put only how

37:22

go receive. Wallace was a basketball player

37:24

and so. Both. Try

37:27

to throw me some hot water when I'm so. I'm

37:29

spending money so you know you know what

37:31

it is though drained like is like will

37:34

when we came up let me know when

37:36

maybe a little bit older when I came

37:38

up to and I become a watching the

37:40

Karl Malone, watching a pad going to David

37:43

Robinson. Now. I'm saying Watson All or

37:45

the M B A Great. Is

37:47

why do they only had also makes though

37:50

some yeah I mean so. Also.

37:52

Would that it was. multifaceted like you

37:54

know kept the poster kept the step

37:56

out at the anywhere between a teen

37:59

eighteen footer depending on the player. Cast

38:02

that pick and roll, cast and defend. Might not be

38:04

the best shot blocker, but damn, I'm gonna make it

38:06

hard for you to get to the rim. But

38:10

it's a different era now. You know, like,

38:13

I think what it is today, they

38:15

do more, opposing to letting

38:17

the game come to them as they're

38:19

playing, they do more workout moves. Like,

38:22

if you think about it, like, it's so many

38:24

isos, so it's like, all right, now, all right,

38:26

let me try this move I was doing in

38:29

the workouts where I'm a sweep right, I'm giving

38:31

my heart to dribble, hesitate, come behind the back,

38:33

give them two more drills with the left, cross,

38:35

come back, and then I'm gonna try to lay

38:38

it up on the right foot. Like,

38:40

and then if they can't do it, then they'll do

38:42

what? They'll either pass it, run back to that spot,

38:44

or if they got the green light to do it,

38:46

they'll just back that shit out, and then

38:48

they'll try it again. It's right. You

38:50

know, today, you have to be

38:53

multifaceted, and it's a lot of guys who aren't. You

38:55

have some guys who are, I mean, I'm

38:57

not counting the veterans. Let's push the veterans

38:59

to the side. Let's push like, Bron, KD,

39:01

you know what I'm saying? Let's push all

39:04

that error to the side, because we know,

39:06

like, that's a different, as you

39:08

said, they play, you know, when we

39:10

play, I'm just talking specifically now, more of the

39:12

younger generation, but no,

39:14

I do agree with what you're saying, because we

39:17

were more multifaceted. Like, my man

39:20

Reggie Evans, that's my guy. Reggie

39:22

Evans, guess what? That motherfucker, he couldn't shoot

39:25

neither. But guess what? He still had

39:27

the shots, and we had to respect him, because

39:29

he was a ferocious rebounder. You know what I'm

39:31

saying? Like, he gonna come out there, he was

39:33

rebounding. He will do some putback don'ts. He will,

39:35

he can make a layup. He gonna come out

39:37

there and set screens. You know what I'm saying?

39:39

He gonna talk, yell, do whatever. That's

39:41

multiple things just in that one. You know,

39:44

everybody think, oh, I gotta go out here

39:46

and score 50 for me

39:48

to be effective on my team. Ooh, nah.

39:51

Oh, you gotta do play some defense, block some shots.

39:53

Think about it. There ain't no real shot blockers in

39:55

the league right now. When we came

39:57

out, like you say, a lot of the gentlemen you named.

40:00

You know, shot blockers, like shit. Now

40:02

look at catches going down the lane. It's

40:05

like, we thought it

40:07

was something throughout the year when

40:09

a guard would like Tony

40:11

Parker with averaging more

40:14

points in the paint than big. Like, you know,

40:16

that was, that was something back then. Like, man,

40:18

you know, he gets to the cup and

40:20

cause everybody else had to stay home. Like

40:22

shit, you ain't going to leave Tim Duncan.

40:24

You ain't going to leave motherfucking David Robinson.

40:26

You ain't going to leave Jenobly. You know

40:28

what I'm saying? So he had free reign

40:30

to that brim, but now look at

40:32

it. Look how much they, look how easy they get

40:35

to the rim. Now ain't no shot blockers. Like

40:37

they should be dunking anything, but

40:40

it's a, it's a, it's a different factor to

40:42

the game now. You know, they just think like, all right, I

40:44

can come down and shoot this 45 footer. I'm

40:46

good money. Nah,

40:48

nah, it's more tools than that. You know,

40:50

that's good for the regular season, but yo

40:53

doing the playoffs, that shit ain't going to

40:55

fly. Especially if you with a veteran team

40:57

or got a few veterans on your team.

40:59

Yo, you better say this motherfucking possession. Come

41:01

down here and shoot this 45 footer. If

41:04

you want, it's going to be me and your ass in that locker room. This

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AMX terms apply. You

41:42

recently talked about, you always believe your

41:44

old four Christian championship team can compete

41:46

with any team from different areas, especially

41:48

in modern day. Is it because of

41:50

the defensive mentality you all had and what you hung

41:52

your hat on? And was there any teams in

41:55

the past era, even like Drey's team that

41:57

you think, you know, could have trumped your

41:59

defensive tenacity? because you think about it, the

42:01

paint didn't really matter too much more so

42:03

than the fast piece of playing and how

42:05

they throw the game. Well,

42:08

the way I look at it, I think

42:10

I would still have to give it to us,

42:12

the old school for the simple fact of

42:15

buy either rules now. So, and

42:17

listen to what I'm about to say. So I hear

42:19

that. If we go with the old school rules for

42:21

sure, you already know what it is. We're going to

42:23

beat some motherfuckers up. You know, it's going to be

42:25

some elbows, going to be a whole lot of other

42:27

shit, right? Then from the

42:29

new school side of it, where they

42:31

don't allow too much touching, like if

42:33

a big or somebody's trying to flash

42:35

across that middle and you get a

42:37

slightest either forearm shiver or little hip

42:39

check, they're calling it.

42:42

So as I was just saying a

42:44

minute ago, I think more guys are from

42:46

that old school era are more skilled at

42:49

certain positions than they are today. You know,

42:51

a lot of guys that's focused on all

42:53

offense. Everybody just focusing on

42:55

offense. Ain't nobody focusing on defense. I don't

42:58

even hear no motherfucking talking out there. It's like

43:00

you might get one or two cats, you know,

43:02

on a specific team that might talk who would

43:05

like Miami. We know they're going to talk because

43:07

why? Because they're defense of minded team. You

43:09

know what I'm saying? That's Pat Riley. He's always been like

43:11

that with them and spokes them. So we're going

43:13

to hear talking from them, but everybody don't

43:16

talk like the NBA. I went to

43:18

a couple NBA. They don't just be

43:20

so fucking quiet, but that's an important

43:22

part of the game to talk. If you, if

43:24

you 90, if you pick it up 94

43:26

feet and I'm 50 something

43:29

feet behind you, yo, and if

43:31

you hear my loud ass mouth, you

43:34

in that do I'm in, I'm in, I'm in.

43:36

But if you don't hear me, what you going to do? You going, and

43:39

then you want to ease up, run back to

43:41

half court or the three point line. Like, no,

43:43

like talking is a different factor to the game.

43:46

But with, uh, uh, today,

43:48

I think that we would win that

43:50

matchup because we have more of a

43:52

skill set. Like, you know what I'm

43:54

saying? Chauncey was a bitch to guard like fuck.

44:00

The program you know you the be point guard

44:02

you know are we all know. Excuse that tramp.

44:04

yeah to good me rains more back ballplayer and

44:06

that's what I loved about the whole Detroit think

44:08

it was all smart dude. everybody had their one

44:11

goal that was that it wasn't my are. You.

44:13

Know we didn't handle by com know the best. I

44:15

mean fuck them for a spot on time. Gonna get

44:17

my lord. No. Say like not it was.

44:19

I only got here. Let me do what I need

44:22

to do to play the right way so we can

44:24

get his with. And I don't

44:26

think that in today's game is.

44:30

Is. is is he doesn't have it

44:32

tenacity to you know because they

44:34

talk about me and on the

44:36

vocal or member games they are.

44:38

See why would he be so

44:40

much he visit every call benefited

44:42

with these guys doing now known

44:44

as the every everything else online

44:46

I saw Dessie man you're a

44:48

my drugs they are the I

44:50

start this is but. It.

44:52

Is I think we we cephalosporin on

44:55

I ground with that oh for Prisoners

44:57

theme and we come up with twenty

44:59

years. Mobile

45:01

focus. On. What

45:04

about those does? because his arm of

45:06

the home for Christmas and was in

45:09

forget about it took to go. From.

45:11

When I remember one earlier, super

45:14

was specifically Coby Bryan. To.

45:16

To on your with Gary Payton. And

45:20

Malone. The among on her. Am

45:22

an old I heard Stillman and

45:24

Still slices of bread at Mansour

45:26

was crazy ass ago. You.

45:29

Know of big lead in Legacy in

45:31

essence and overnight and Legacy matter where

45:33

you remember about those early mass of

45:35

Moscow. Gonna be one of best jewels

45:37

ever. What what was that might. Wanna.

45:40

Go up against their leg or seen a thing

45:42

I like the most was pissed off David Banner.

45:44

Could. You know I was. That was his team house.

45:47

Now I'm saying like was add up all

45:50

of sellers you just name gp. On

45:52

he hall mailman we already know

45:54

he whole set. Colby. you

45:56

know mean that say that that's like team

45:58

hall of fame my day You know what

46:00

I mean? And then here it is, you got a bunch of nobodies. Like

46:04

here it is, a

46:06

team full of guys and probably like

46:08

three all-star appearances between all of them

46:10

or whatever. No, they wasn't going for

46:12

that. They didn't like that. And so

46:15

I was like, all right, we

46:17

were more hungry. I

46:19

think, and don't get me

46:22

wrong, Kobe and Shaq were still competitive,

46:24

but I think they weren't as hungry

46:26

as we were because they've

46:28

been to the mountain top a couple of

46:30

times already by that time. They were, I

46:32

think they won two already at least. They

46:35

won three. When we, three. And

46:37

by the time we wanted to know four, so I

46:39

don't think they were as hungry, but no, we was

46:41

hungry as shit. We, we know it. We

46:43

wanted them. We knew we were going to beat them.

46:45

That's the confidence that we had amongst each other. Like

46:47

that, that, that mental lock that we

46:50

all had was fucking crazy, yo. That shit was

46:52

crazy. It was like, I didn't really have to

46:54

say too much because a situation

46:56

and the way things moving and

46:58

we rotating like, I ain't really had to say too

47:01

much to Ben. And it was already automatic. All right,

47:03

looking at the clock, we playing them in a chip,

47:05

looking at the clock, like, all right, Ben pick his

47:07

first foul up and in four minutes,

47:09

then I'm a guard Shaq for the next couple

47:11

of plays. So I get my first, gives him

47:14

a rest, then boom, he come back. You know

47:16

what I'm saying? We just had to wear them

47:18

down. Then you bringing in big Eldon Campbell. You

47:20

know what I'm saying? We just wearing them down.

47:22

Darvin' Al is strong ass. We just wearing them

47:24

down. Man, we knew that

47:28

in my opinion, their focal

47:30

point was Shaq. If Shaq was to

47:32

get going, it would

47:34

have been a rack because now that's

47:36

commanding a double team and who's open?

47:38

Somebody gonna be open along

47:40

that way, cutters or jump shot shooters.

47:42

So with Ben playing him straight up,

47:44

that's the main thing I fucking remember

47:47

about that whole series with the Lakers.

47:49

And plus it felt good for me

47:51

to get a little bit of redemption

47:53

after them cats beating my ass for

47:55

so long when I was in Portland.

47:58

So, you know, it felt good to get a little bit. bit of

48:00

redemption, especially in a game or I

48:02

should say a series of that magnitude.

48:05

And was it, you were traded in between the middle

48:07

of that year, right? Correct. You traded

48:10

from Portland to Atlanta. You spent 10 days

48:12

in Atlanta and then went up to Detroit.

48:14

I think you get a lot of flak for,

48:17

uh, you know, sometimes your answers on the court,

48:19

but to be able to switch teams in a

48:21

span of two weeks, move to a different city

48:23

and really keep up with a championship caliber team

48:25

that says a lot about your adaptability and what

48:27

type of locker room guy you were. Like

48:30

what was so tough about that? Were you just so focused

48:32

on trying to get a ring or was it just like,

48:34

yo, I'm a pro pro and this is what it's about.

48:37

Well, that's what I grew up with.

48:39

Um, you know, being in high school,

48:41

uh, we were used to winning. I

48:43

got a three city championships out of

48:45

four years. I got two national championships,

48:47

a couple of players, but I learned

48:49

all of that from high school. I

48:51

learned how to play with other great

48:53

players in high school because, and then

48:55

it transferred over when I went to

48:57

Carolina. I would say during

49:00

that time to me between Carolina

49:02

and Georgetown might've been the best

49:04

examples of you

49:06

could average 30 at your high school. But when

49:08

you come here, you won't follow these rules. Like

49:11

you ain't going to be averaging 30. So

49:13

don't just get that out your head. And

49:15

that's how it was in Carolina. I had

49:17

to fall in line, especially with them coming

49:19

off of the national championship. So then,

49:21

um, once I got trade, I mean, once I got

49:24

drafted, it was like, all right, I was cool. It

49:26

was all gravy got traded to Portland. It was good.

49:28

My time there with me being

49:30

traded, I was like, all right, it's time to go.

49:33

Because that, the club wanted to go younger. And

49:35

I was like, I couldn't go younger. So the

49:37

crazy thing about it. I

49:40

think it was, I want to say two, three weeks before,

49:43

before the trade deadline, we was

49:45

in Detroit playing Detroit. And

49:47

so y'all know me, I'm talking shit. Oh, y'all

49:49

motherfucker ain't got shit on me. Just,

49:52

you know, we out there talking big

49:54

shit, me, Bonzi, Damon, Rude, Patterson, you

49:56

know, we talking big shit. So here

49:58

it is. forward three weeks later

50:00

and now I'm in the locker room, I'm going in

50:03

the locker room at the palace for the first time

50:05

and shit. So, you know, I'm seeing the guys there.

50:07

I'm like, Hey, hey fellas. I just want

50:09

to let y'all know what I said a couple of

50:11

weeks ago wasn't personal, you know, it's part of the

50:14

game. We're a person, we all together now. But

50:16

I think it was that, that mental

50:18

focus, man, everything, everything

50:21

just clicked. Nobody had no, no

50:24

attitudes. Nobody felt as though like, you know,

50:26

man, I should be averaging this. I should

50:28

be averaging that. Even though they could have

50:30

like, think about it on other teams, there's

50:32

no way you can't tell me if Chauncey

50:34

would have played for another team during those

50:36

years that he couldn't average 25. There's

50:39

no way you can tell me that you can't tell me

50:41

that Rick wouldn't average 25. You know what I'm

50:44

saying? So for us to go on this

50:46

team and everybody took, everybody had to sacrifice

50:48

part of their game. You had to sacrifice

50:50

shots. Cause now it's even that team unity.

50:52

And that's what I grew up with that

50:55

team unity, pick your poison. If y'all want

50:57

to come double team, shut me down. All

50:59

right, that's cool. You're not going to

51:01

stop all of us. That was the

51:03

main thing. And, and Dre had that too out

51:05

there in golden state. You know, you're not, all

51:07

right. If you did him up to the point

51:10

where you're not making him run the floor or

51:12

he not hitting them shots. All right. I got

51:14

Dre locked up. The other

51:16

three, four motherfuckers got like about 20 or

51:18

30 though. Like he, like he, Dre did

51:21

his job. He got you focused on him

51:24

to the point where you not doing no team help

51:26

just because he said a couple words, Oh motherfucker, you

51:28

can't guard me. And most captain and

51:30

he did the moment. Take

51:32

that challenge. Come on. I'm with it. I'm with it. No,

51:35

I did my job. I did

51:37

my job and you come out with that win. And

51:40

that's, that's the type of team that we had

51:42

that transition, that mental transition. We all wanted to

51:44

win. We all were outcast because

51:46

I didn't even know to the point, um,

51:49

Chauncey was that much disliked by

51:51

the referee. But it

51:54

came out. I was like, Oh shit. For

52:00

most run a referee's could he said it

52:02

slips you to them and ear Your family

52:04

nearby know when I say months it but

52:06

you know he saying is slick says you

52:08

know Chelsea on a d are you even

52:10

you know located do so he bought they

52:12

than a rep year and athletic like do

52:14

that I just say no I'm not not

52:16

used to say. I say that.

52:19

And Mrs no not at his don't think

52:21

he just a credit he deserves I would

52:23

say that chance he. Was. Better

52:25

than Steve Nash because when I

52:28

see the whites detroit play phoenix

52:30

I dislike be like whoa it

52:32

was almost an August I I

52:34

give Chris Paul the not. Quite.

52:37

Would dare. Williams was in his bag and he

52:39

was going to begin seats. I think all the

52:41

players in the league felt like. There.

52:44

Williams get the best A C P

52:46

when I see each other soon as

52:48

when I saw every time I saw

52:50

Chance, he and I saw the masses

52:52

like money else then as a baby

52:54

out there and. A. One

52:56

assist to you. And.

53:00

Always and I want to have disliked

53:02

conversation with Shoes On Phonics. Front

53:04

of a good as being out. In our

53:06

our I would say this a few times

53:09

when you were an elite and then when

53:11

you were me you done I was a

53:13

pussy. Wallace was top five player in a

53:16

be in the weeds. And

53:18

Elite because I saw everything you can

53:20

do. You want to? First guys You

53:22

and Vince. Carter. Migrants.

53:24

You are the guys was you

53:27

have court like a regular south

53:29

Mississippi. And. Is he will make it.

53:31

And. Then I was see you shoot threes left

53:34

handed. It was like

53:36

Sam Perkins the you you will shoot

53:38

threes but you didn't have to. But.

53:41

You can make it eight out of ten

53:43

times and people people realize how good M

53:45

B A players are. Now you're able to

53:47

stretch for game out even know you haven't

53:49

proven it's you you have. You had everything

53:51

I saw. You do this post move where

53:53

you a poster and you would take your

53:55

pivot foot and you up. And

53:58

you have. Oh. Stuff is picked up. and

54:00

stick it between your defender's leg behind you and

54:03

move them, and then you would turn and shoot it. They didn't

54:05

know what to do with it. And you were like, you like

54:07

said, I don't know how tall you are, but

54:10

if you felt like you were 7'4 out

54:12

there with your presence and you

54:14

were always talking, you know what I'm saying? You can

54:16

handle the ball. You played in four All-Star games, should

54:18

have been 10. And so with me

54:20

saying all this about you, why

54:25

was it that you

54:27

didn't take the more corporate route? In

54:30

terms of what your skillset was and all the

54:32

things you can do, I've always wanted to ask

54:34

you that, because I always felt

54:36

like you were one of the better players, like

54:38

a skillset far in the way above

54:41

some of the guys that they would mention before. Cause

54:44

you know, it's the entertainment as well. And there's

54:46

certain guys they want to put in the spotlight.

54:48

Like why did you never gravitate towards that? Well,

54:51

for me, again, I have to go

54:53

back to my upbringing because

54:55

I feel as though, if

54:58

we're playing, it's a team sport. Like one

55:00

dude ain't going to shine. Like

55:02

if the team shine, we all

55:04

shine, everybody shine. And that's

55:06

just the way that I was born up. The corporate

55:09

route, I wasn't, I wasn't, it

55:11

just didn't fit me. You know what

55:13

I mean? I'm not the type that's going

55:15

to be on all your Saturday morning papers,

55:17

on the cover of Sports Illustrated, on ESPN

55:20

Night in, Night Out, all that shit. No,

55:22

that's not me. I didn't sign up for that. I

55:24

signed up to play basketball and try to win championships.

55:28

It don't matter how pretty it looked or how ugly that shit looked.

55:30

That's all I was

55:32

brought up to do. And that's all I wanted to do

55:34

when I came into the league. It wasn't about the money.

55:36

Now, granted, don't get me wrong, you know, the money of

55:38

course helped take care of many

55:40

people and helped do many things. But

55:44

I didn't play for the money. Like if

55:46

they would have, you know, said the minimum

55:48

contract or whatever, shit, I still would have played.

55:50

Why? Because I'm going up, you

55:53

know, I heard about this one cat. Yeah, this

55:55

dude from Chicago, this dude named Kevin Garnett. Oh

55:57

yeah, no, I want to play him. I

55:59

want to go. The get them know Nord about his other,

56:01

do this and that you know a word of

56:03

mouth. You know the vessel I want to problem

56:06

ago begin to bet. On. Amazon Alonso

56:08

need to do you know shit at

56:10

times I was i was i a

56:12

little bit more bobo me sit out

56:14

and fraud garza portland day but you

56:16

know my pin frame can do to

56:18

get that big muff are worth it

56:20

was I'm. For. Me: I am

56:22

a took more of a team. Opposed.

56:25

To the individual. Like. Our fuck

56:27

around like author again. Could.

56:29

Is not a t me the. Own.

56:32

You know as are more capitalizing as you

56:34

say. I'm good as it is a business.

56:36

Capitalizing. Off their individuality.

56:39

Almeida individuality because everybody at in

56:41

an author against aggro muffled they

56:43

want to boil. Now.

56:46

See no matter how good it is you

56:48

know if is you look at our these

56:50

a domain or anything but that's about it

56:52

they they visit know regular season. Where.

56:55

They might not want to know game give it

56:57

a play out. What? I always get out the

56:59

first round in the playoffs you know, say like.

57:01

Not. As good individually but it

57:04

takes a teen a win it all.

57:06

So. That's why I never really

57:08

went there whole corporate because corporate

57:10

try to isolate. You. Know that

57:12

they're not one and they're not want to bring. Everyone

57:15

in in less the mentality

57:18

of that person. Is.

57:20

To bring of Academy my I

57:22

know if it was it wouldn't

57:24

by Chris Paul design. Or.

57:26

Bad as they farm design but I love

57:29

out a way to his team. He went

57:31

to. For. The Lab. I

57:33

was twelve. Fifteen years he been with

57:35

before he's had his teammates in the.

57:38

You. Do have a like that that the have

57:40

a point a bunch of my fault zone

57:42

as we thought that supposed to do with

57:44

all that congress would seem were. No,

57:46

I'm saying here is a good start. but

57:48

said he node Adrian ago where he got

57:50

to by himself. Know saying

57:53

so? that's that's always been my thing.

57:55

I'd rather do tina individual. I'd rather.

57:57

Sit. up here in have two points or go

58:00

for fucking 15 and have

58:02

a W then for me to sit up there and

58:04

go 45 out of

58:06

62 for about 90

58:09

points or whatever and

58:11

take the L. We been saying that ET. We

58:14

been saying that a lot. No for

58:16

sure. So what was the mentality out there obviously

58:19

you talk about 04 and Pistons when you

58:21

guys won the championship. As a kid I

58:23

was a big Portland Trailblazers

58:25

fan. I cried when you know

58:28

everything happened in the early thousands. So what

58:30

was the mindset like when you guys had

58:32

arguably won the best teams and never won

58:34

a championship but a big time representation around

58:36

that is the Jailblazers thing. Did you guys

58:38

care where you just like man

58:40

let's just be bad boys regardless or did you

58:43

guys rise above because you're still able to be an

58:45

all star and continue to have a lot of success.

58:48

Well I think actually what Rose first of

58:50

all the media gave us that because it

58:53

just ran on with Trailblazers but think

58:55

about it ain't nobody go to jail on that team. So

58:57

that's just some negative shit that they wanted

58:59

to say about us which surprised me because

59:01

we're the only professional team in this little

59:03

market. So why do you want to sit up there and

59:05

say bullshit about the one professional

59:08

team where it's possibly a chance for you

59:10

to get out and go to another city.

59:12

But they felt as though okay we

59:15

talked negative about that whole

59:17

Trailblazers team and you know

59:20

we'll get out of the city. But

59:23

all the guys was cool. You

59:25

could talk to any of the people on that team, Subbonus,

59:29

Damon, Fonzie, Ruben,

59:32

Zack, Scotty and anybody

59:34

who I play with JR, Walt Williams,

59:37

anybody I played with on that Blazer

59:39

team, Detliff. They won't

59:41

tell you no I'm a cool teammate. I

59:43

just don't fuck with the media side of it. Well

59:45

when we were playing I didn't fuck with the media

59:48

side of it because again as you just mentioned a

59:50

second ago, Dre, to me that

59:52

was all corporate. Now I

59:54

did bare minimum with the media

59:56

shit. When

59:58

they was like, all right well guys. I need I need

1:00:01

three or four guys to meet me in the

1:00:03

so-and-so room so we can shoot the Christmas video

1:00:05

or You know since birthday shoutouts

1:00:07

on it. All right, I mean I do

1:00:09

that shit because Yeah,

1:00:30

that was that was a good old days like

1:00:32

airplane back here But how I would have to

1:00:34

look at that that blazer team as you know,

1:00:37

we folklore You know, I mean we

1:00:39

we did have a good team We were we

1:00:41

were right there knocking and like oh my gosh,

1:00:43

man. Let me tell you let me tell you

1:00:45

shit We was motherfucking like

1:00:47

Dougie fresh six minutes away We

1:00:50

was six minutes away from meeting the Pacers in

1:00:52

the finals, but it wasn't meant to

1:00:54

be it wasn't meant to be we came

1:00:56

out we missed 13 straight shots and and LA

1:00:59

they came you know B shaw hit the banker

1:01:01

Kobe through the oop to shack and Kobe hit

1:01:03

a couple shots and shit next thing

1:01:06

I know I look up at the joint we If

1:01:09

the clock says zero zero point zero

1:01:11

one. I'm like But

1:01:18

I gotta look at the basketball guys, you

1:01:20

know, it wasn't time it wasn't time What

1:01:23

do you remember about a young Kobe? During

1:01:25

that run everybody talk. Oh wow,

1:01:27

like comparing somebody is there any comparison

1:01:29

in modern day? Like anybody now or

1:01:32

no I

1:01:34

think that's that's the misinterpretation of

1:01:37

of a lot of people's game like ain't no

1:01:39

comparison of Mike Ain't no

1:01:41

comparison of Kobe Ain't

1:01:43

no comparison of run, you know,

1:01:45

every everybody is who they are Doing

1:01:48

that era in their own way like for me, I

1:01:50

would say like, you know the 90s Uh

1:01:53

going into the 2000s Mike was that

1:01:55

motherfucking dude could nobody touch Mike

1:01:57

was that dude And then

1:01:59

you got the transition in the

1:02:02

2000s into like the 2010s. Shit,

1:02:06

Kobe was that motherfucker. You

1:02:08

know what I'm saying? Yeah, and then especially

1:02:10

as it came later in his career, developed

1:02:12

that quote unquote, what they like to call

1:02:14

that mamba mentality, you know, and

1:02:16

everybody started flocking to that, boom.

1:02:18

And then, you know, from the 2010s up

1:02:21

until now, you know, you got Bron. You

1:02:23

know, Bron is doing his thing. You know, got

1:02:25

number one scoring title, all that shit. And

1:02:28

I don't think,

1:02:30

to me, you can't rank them. Like

1:02:33

I can't say that Kobe is better

1:02:35

than Bron, or Kobe is better than

1:02:38

Mike, or Mike is better than Bron,

1:02:40

like because during that era, all of

1:02:42

them were, during the eras that

1:02:44

they played, all of them were dominating, like

1:02:46

shit. Like what the fuck, no matter how

1:02:48

you say it, you know, and even sometimes

1:02:51

I say, well, okay, well Mike

1:02:53

had determination and this and that, okay, boom, Kobe

1:02:55

and Bron, they had it. Okay, well, Kobe had

1:02:57

a better jump shot than Mike and Bron, boom,

1:02:59

either one of them got that. Okay, well shit,

1:03:01

Bron is a better driver to the lane, and

1:03:03

you know, a better finisher, but he got number

1:03:05

one points in the paint. The other two ain't

1:03:07

got that. You know, you can go ahead and

1:03:09

pick all you want at it, but

1:03:12

you got it, you can't, I don't think there's no one

1:03:15

clear goat. If we say it's a goat, in

1:03:18

my opinion, with me being a big, I'm gonna

1:03:20

be biased and say, Luell

1:03:22

Sender, AKA Kareem Abdul Jabbar, but-

1:03:24

And that makes sense, yeah. That's

1:03:26

a whole nother topic, but Kobe,

1:03:30

that young Cole was a beast, man. Determination,

1:03:34

fuck, that shit used to be, man. Hey, hey,

1:03:36

look, if I didn't know him and his family,

1:03:38

or didn't love him, man, I damn sure tried,

1:03:40

probably tried to hurt that dude out there or

1:03:42

something, man, like he was in our ass, dog.

1:03:45

I ain't gonna hold you, like he was busting

1:03:47

our ass. I

1:03:50

remember we brought up something about Brown before the

1:03:52

07 finals, when they were saying, you're going up

1:03:54

against King James, you're like, y'all called him that,

1:03:58

you call him that, but what about- after that

1:04:00

finals, did you learn, you know, obviously game

1:04:02

five, he went into the 25 straight point

1:04:05

score 29 and the last 30 with

1:04:07

such a great defensive team. I'm not even trying

1:04:09

to bring up anything crazy, but like 23 at

1:04:12

the time, were you like,

1:04:14

what in the hell we the Pistons, we play

1:04:17

tough. Like how the hell

1:04:19

did somebody give it? Cause somebody scored

1:04:21

25 points back in the old NBA

1:04:23

is crazy. Like it don't today alone

1:04:25

in one quarter, but

1:04:28

in the first of Detroit, the old school

1:04:30

Pistons, bro, y'all were grown men, like, to

1:04:32

go out there, bro. Like those

1:04:35

score 25 points in a minute

1:04:38

and a half. Like Brown scored in one

1:04:40

quarter versus real defense, bro. When they were

1:04:42

giving up 90 points is crazy. Yeah. No,

1:04:44

that was a good ass game. I mean,

1:04:46

the one main thing I remember was like,

1:04:49

fuck this motherfucker can't miss. He's

1:04:51

like, you know, he, he caught like, and we've

1:04:53

all been there, you know, both of y'all have

1:04:55

been there and played in the league where y'all

1:04:58

just caught fire. Like whatever the

1:05:00

fuck you put up, like boom, bang, that's,

1:05:02

that shit is going in. It could be

1:05:05

an and one foul, whatever is going

1:05:07

in and he caught fire that game. I, you know,

1:05:09

and I can't, I can't say too

1:05:11

much about it because it's already there, you

1:05:14

know, in, in video, it was a hell of a

1:05:16

fucking game. It was a hell of a game. And

1:05:18

I think, I think that might've been one of his,

1:05:20

uh, one of his coming out games. Um,

1:05:23

like we all had, uh, like we all

1:05:25

seen Mike and we all seen Colby have

1:05:27

their coming out games. I think that was

1:05:29

one of, one of his, because it went

1:05:31

back to that old school mentality of, are

1:05:34

we the pistons, you know, we hard nose.

1:05:36

Yeah. We're going body up this and that.

1:05:38

And for him to finally

1:05:40

do that, you know what I'm saying? Because it took

1:05:42

him a while to do that. It took him a

1:05:44

while to actually beat us. Um,

1:05:46

you know, in that, in that, uh, playoff series.

1:05:49

So for him to finally do that, that was

1:05:51

his, I think he's coming out game. I

1:05:55

want to, I want to go to, I think it

1:05:57

was your last game of your career. And

1:06:00

I remember it like it was yesterday. It was, you

1:06:02

were in Boston, right? And it was

1:06:04

game seven. And a lot of

1:06:06

people don't give credit to Andrew

1:06:09

Bynum. Andrew

1:06:11

Bynum was a force that night. They forget

1:06:13

about Bynum and Kobe

1:06:15

couldn't hit the side of a lake

1:06:18

that night. He was jacking the game.

1:06:21

I never seen, I never seen Kobe like that.

1:06:25

And it's just like neither

1:06:27

team could just, if

1:06:30

one, if the ball would have just bounced a different way,

1:06:33

what was that game like for you? And what

1:06:36

was the hour after the game like for you?

1:06:40

Cause I saw your emotions. I never

1:06:42

forget where I was. I was

1:06:44

in New York working. I watched the game in New York. I took a car

1:06:47

service back to Philly. I never

1:06:49

forget that night. And I

1:06:51

was actually rooting for Kobe cause like he was my idol

1:06:54

and I'm in the league. But what I

1:06:56

know, and I heard some stories about he

1:06:59

was bamming on the door after the game. I ain't going to say whose

1:07:01

door it was. You can tell us. But

1:07:03

what like you, you gave you everything and

1:07:06

that's all I asked for. And I know you speak to

1:07:08

the same thing. All I asked for you is to give

1:07:10

it your all and respect the game. And you always did

1:07:12

that. But what was, what was that

1:07:14

game like? And what was that hour like? And then

1:07:16

when did you finally come down and get over? Like,

1:07:19

man, that was it. I gave them all, you know, what's

1:07:21

life going to be like next? Man,

1:07:25

first, first time somebody asked me that question about

1:07:27

that truth be told, dog. Yeah,

1:07:30

I knew that was going to be my last game

1:07:32

going into it. Reason

1:07:36

being that's when my mom had fell ill.

1:07:40

And I was like, I was,

1:07:42

I was about ready to miss that game. The last

1:07:44

two games for real, for real. But

1:07:46

she was like, no, you better go here

1:07:49

and play that basketball boy and this

1:07:51

and that, you know,

1:07:53

gave me the whole mom spiel. You know how

1:07:55

that goes. So I was like, all right. And

1:07:58

went out there and just played. Man wish

1:08:00

I could have did more Wish

1:08:04

I would have played more to be able to

1:08:06

be ready for that game But you know, that's

1:08:09

another story dealing with Glen Damn

1:08:15

Glyn is Glyn. It's

1:08:17

only one dock in NBA and

1:08:20

he played for the Sixers. It's

1:08:22

Glyn But

1:08:24

um, but no, I mean just

1:08:26

gave it everything to work half-muscle And

1:08:30

just just try to do everything I could to get that

1:08:32

dub It was

1:08:34

a hard win and like you said shit Got

1:08:37

fucking me and KG it

1:08:39

was it was a good team up But

1:08:41

I wish we could have faced them cats

1:08:43

in our in our younger youth days Yeah,

1:08:45

but Andrew Bonham and Palgassol that man, that's

1:08:48

a fucking hell of a one-two right there

1:08:50

Could look at this skill set that Palgassol.

1:08:53

Yeah, that high low is dangerous Palgassol

1:08:55

has a Palgassol had a good

1:08:57

skill set as far as he can put it on the floor

1:08:59

to get to the basket He can shoot a

1:09:01

good 15 to 18 footer and he could pass, you know

1:09:05

He and he had a good know-how of the game

1:09:07

good knowledge of the game and then fuck you talking

1:09:09

about a big Drew I mean shit, he's

1:09:11

only way he was seven to at 19 years

1:09:14

old is like, you know, three hundred

1:09:16

and something pounds He and his skill

1:09:18

set was good enough to the point

1:09:20

where I get that ball y'all

1:09:22

motherfuckers better come double me Because

1:09:25

he commanded that double team and I'm the go

1:09:27

back and forth, you know, it was a good

1:09:29

game It was hard, but you know, I wish

1:09:31

we could have came out on top, but we

1:09:33

fell short I think by like four or six

1:09:35

points or some shit like that. But no,

1:09:37

I was it was overall good game You

1:09:40

know, they had our test our tested the

1:09:42

biggest shot probably his career from

1:09:44

that corner with that That corner three

1:09:47

and that's that's what put them over to go ahead

1:09:49

up You talked about

1:09:51

your mom earlier, I'm aware she worked

1:09:53

at the Philadelphia Welfare Office for the

1:09:55

longest time correct And

1:09:58

when you're just yeah, you talk about some of your at

1:10:00

work and, you know, we always

1:10:03

taught basketball, but always get, you know, deep

1:10:05

into where people come from, you know,

1:10:07

so talk about that and what, you

1:10:09

know, she kind of shows you in a, you know, the

1:10:11

greatness that she, you know, bestowed upon

1:10:13

you to be who you are now. Because besides

1:10:15

being, you know, a great basketball player, you're one

1:10:18

of the most, you know, colorful individuals

1:10:20

and, you know, you smile through the good

1:10:22

times and, you know, show true vulnerability when

1:10:24

it wasn't great for you. Well,

1:10:27

definitely it all came from her. It stemmed

1:10:29

from my mom and my family. You

1:10:32

know, growing up in Philly, we didn't have it

1:10:35

all. Times when, you know, a nigga went to

1:10:37

bed hungry, ain't

1:10:39

no lights, you know, all that.

1:10:41

It was part of growing up in the hood,

1:10:44

you know, we struggled some nights,

1:10:46

we ate air sandwiches for dinner. You know,

1:10:48

other nights dinner was good. But

1:10:51

one thing that I've always noticed with

1:10:53

my mom, which I think set

1:10:56

me to be how I am, I never really

1:10:58

asked my mom for nothing. Like if

1:11:01

you think about when you were kids, like, oh

1:11:03

my, can I get that GI Joe toy? Oh

1:11:05

my, can I get these Transformers? Is this a

1:11:07

new Transformers playset? I want this, I want that,

1:11:09

but it's, like, I wasn't like that,

1:11:11

you know what I'm saying? Cause I saw a struggle,

1:11:13

like, and then I knew like, okay,

1:11:16

to get this Optimus Prime Transformers toy,

1:11:18

it might've been like, like

1:11:20

let's say 10, 12 bucks. Well,

1:11:24

it's about three

1:11:26

eggs left and

1:11:29

a quarter loaf of bread. And they're like,

1:11:31

nah, yeah, I ain't trippin', like I could

1:11:33

do without it. Or I might

1:11:36

be lucky enough, my friends might have some new

1:11:38

toys and I might get a chance to go

1:11:40

over there, create and play some new toys and

1:11:42

all that. But I didn't grow up with a

1:11:44

lot as far as toys and video games. All

1:11:46

my other family had done, my cousins, they had

1:11:49

all the video games, Apple, 64, Commodore

1:11:52

64, ColecoVision and Television, Sega,

1:11:55

Atari, all, they had all

1:11:57

that shit. I don't know what's

1:11:59

going on with this. I'm in tonight over my aunt

1:12:01

and uncle house and play that shit. But,

1:12:04

you know, my mom, she just pretty much installed

1:12:06

like, look, we still here,

1:12:08

we got it. We got each other. You know what I'm

1:12:10

saying? We got a roof over our head. So everything else

1:12:12

we could deal with. As long as we got a roof

1:12:14

over our head. And I just took

1:12:16

that mentality just into

1:12:19

life. Like, never really

1:12:21

asked for too much. Even when

1:12:23

I was married, like I never really asked a

1:12:25

lot of my wife like, yo, go

1:12:28

do this or go do that for me. Like, no, if it's

1:12:30

something that I can do, I'm gonna just go ahead and do

1:12:32

it. Like, it was just the thing

1:12:34

that she installed in me. And as you said,

1:12:37

mentioned, with her working at

1:12:39

the welfare office, one thing

1:12:41

that she told me that stuck in my head,

1:12:43

I'm 49 years old. She

1:12:45

told me this when I was probably like about, maybe

1:12:48

like 10, but it

1:12:50

stuck in my head. She said,

1:12:52

with her working up

1:12:55

there at the welfare office, she was helping people, right?

1:12:58

She said, look at our

1:13:00

situation. It ain't good, but

1:13:02

somewhere, somebody is doing worse than what

1:13:04

we are. And I'm helping those people.

1:13:08

And as

1:13:10

I got older and figured out what she

1:13:12

did and all of that, I was like,

1:13:14

oh shit. And then at

1:13:16

my mom's funeral services, I've

1:13:18

seen a lot of young ladies that, you know, came

1:13:20

and wanted to say something. They came up to me

1:13:22

like, oh, your mom, da da da da da. Cause

1:13:25

my mom, when I came to school

1:13:27

down here in Carolina, my mom transferred.

1:13:29

She transferred to the welfare office down

1:13:31

here. Oh wow. Yeah. And

1:13:33

so, you know, she helped a lot of young ladies

1:13:35

down here too for her, like, I think it was

1:13:37

like maybe five years, six years,

1:13:40

though she was working, helped a lot

1:13:42

of these young ladies. And like, if you

1:13:44

guys was to see my mom's wall in

1:13:46

her living room, you

1:13:48

see nothing but baby pictures and family pictures

1:13:51

and all of this and that. Like everything

1:13:53

is up there. My mom helped

1:13:55

out a lot of people and with that, I

1:13:57

didn't really see that. as

1:14:00

far as with a lot of others. I knew

1:14:02

she helped family and her close friends, but

1:14:05

with a lot of other people who I didn't

1:14:07

know or even had the

1:14:09

slightest idea that she helped, it

1:14:11

was just her. And that just was

1:14:15

installed in me like shit. Like

1:14:17

damn, my mom, cool as shit. And

1:14:23

so I just try to do that and just try

1:14:25

to treat people the way that she did. My mom

1:14:27

loved everybody. You might've got

1:14:30

on a nerves. She might've cut you out. I

1:14:32

know Dre, you heard a couple of times, but

1:14:35

she might cut you out, but she loved

1:14:37

you. And that was just her. She was

1:14:39

an aggressive, loving personality. Yeah.

1:14:42

Well, I mean, you spoke to

1:14:44

your upbringing. You spoke to having your

1:14:46

winning mentality, your

1:14:48

position in the league, how you

1:14:51

built your skillset, how you had an

1:14:53

appreciation 14 first, all

1:14:55

those things. How you taught. I saw how you taught

1:14:57

a kid, how

1:14:59

to get his feet work in order,

1:15:03

right, left into your shot, left, right into your

1:15:05

shot. One dribble, pull up, like you just build

1:15:07

layers as opposed to trying to have an seven

1:15:10

piece combination out the gate. And

1:15:12

so in saying all that and to kind of

1:15:14

wrap the conversation up and bringing it full circle,

1:15:17

how do you envision yourself going forward? I

1:15:19

know you got the pot. I want to know what you're

1:15:21

talking about on your pot, how you want to

1:15:23

bring out who you truly are there and how

1:15:25

you want to stay involved in the game of basketball going

1:15:27

forward. Cause you just got so much of a big

1:15:32

base of knowledge that you can give to the

1:15:34

game. Oh man. I love

1:15:37

working young kids out, no matter in

1:15:40

the league, high school, college,

1:15:42

I love working guys out. But

1:15:44

I always let them know though,

1:15:47

Drake, like when you look at

1:15:49

the NBA all stars, the perennial

1:15:51

all stars, when you look at,

1:15:53

you know, those favorite players, like

1:15:55

a lot of kids like Brown and

1:15:58

a lot of kids like KD. and

1:16:00

all of this and that, I compare it

1:16:02

to burgers. I

1:16:06

said, right now, I say, you know, we in

1:16:08

a gym, you know, you might be in high

1:16:10

school or you might be, you know, first or

1:16:12

second year college player, we in a gym working.

1:16:14

Right now, you a kids meal. You

1:16:17

a kids meal with no cheese.

1:16:19

You just bread, meat, bread. That's

1:16:23

it. You ain't got no fries. You

1:16:26

might get a drink. I say, you a kids

1:16:28

meal. I say, what you wanna

1:16:30

do? You wanna be that Supreme burger. That

1:16:33

Supreme burger got what? It

1:16:35

got anything. It got lettuce,

1:16:37

tomatoes, onion, ketchup, mustard, mayo,

1:16:40

everything you want on a burger that'll make it

1:16:42

taste good. I said, that's what you gotta think

1:16:44

about. I said, those guys that you like on

1:16:46

TV, those are Supreme burgers.

1:16:49

Those guys spent hours in a gym. KD

1:16:52

spent hours in a gym. Brown spent

1:16:54

hours in a gym. Kobe spent hours

1:16:56

in a gym. It

1:16:58

just keeps going on and on to

1:17:01

get that Supreme burger. So right

1:17:03

now, your burger's like this. And

1:17:06

I tell the kids, you know, you a burger like

1:17:08

this, but we gonna get it up here with hard

1:17:10

work. And I just love to work with kids who

1:17:12

wanna work. And that's one thing,

1:17:14

like I always did, even with my basketball

1:17:16

camp. And when I work out

1:17:18

guys, I don't charge. And

1:17:20

reason being, I don't charge is the simple fact.

1:17:24

I pick who I work with for the simple

1:17:26

fact of, if you work hard or not, because

1:17:28

the motherfucker feel like, okay, if I give you

1:17:30

my money or a parent feel like, if I

1:17:32

give you my money, well, shit,

1:17:35

you gotta do this for my kid. You gotta be here on

1:17:37

time. You gotta, da da da da da da da da da

1:17:39

da da da da da. Come on. I

1:17:42

don't need the bread. And

1:17:44

I already had my career. So I'm

1:17:46

doing this for the love. So if

1:17:49

your son or daughter don't love the

1:17:51

game enough to come

1:17:54

to work out, show up on work

1:17:56

out on time, to work out, to

1:17:58

actually work while you're at work. workout.

1:18:02

Other than that, no, I can't mess with him. I don't

1:18:04

need him. Hey, no, you're not going to

1:18:06

sit up here and do this shit to me. Negative,

1:18:08

especially with the track where I got with my fucking

1:18:10

bitch. No, no, no, no, no. I

1:18:13

got Zach, Jermaine. You know, I

1:18:17

got Bam. Uh,

1:18:20

uh, who I got Jason Max Hill got,

1:18:22

got him paid, man. I got, hey, it's

1:18:24

a lot of young boy I got out

1:18:27

there. Todd, that's my guy too. You know

1:18:29

what I'm saying? Shit. Worked out, worked with,

1:18:31

uh, uh, with the young fella,

1:18:33

um, wise men in Detroit,

1:18:35

worked with him, Jalen Duran worked with him.

1:18:38

Like my, my fingers is in the league.

1:18:40

My fingers in the league when it comes

1:18:42

to these bigs and somehow some way along

1:18:45

that road. Yeah. I've, I've, I've,

1:18:47

you know, gotten these young fellas ears and that's

1:18:49

what it's all about. Just to show them the

1:18:51

real, like, like all they see

1:18:53

is, is the shit that we all did. Like,

1:18:55

okay. On the court and off the court, off

1:18:57

the court, they see, they see us with

1:19:00

the fancy cars, you know, the cats

1:19:02

got all the jewels, the bling, the

1:19:04

earrings, the watch in the club, pop

1:19:06

of bottles. They see that and

1:19:08

they like, Ooh, I get that.

1:19:11

But they don't want to work to get it. Yeah.

1:19:14

Yeah. So that's why I'm like, look,

1:19:16

I choose who I work with because I

1:19:19

don't want to take your money. I don't want to take your parents money.

1:19:21

No, let's go and get this work in the

1:19:23

gym and the, on your payment to me, you

1:19:26

got to do this shit with another young boy. When

1:19:29

you get old, you got to take a

1:19:31

couple of young boys under your wing and

1:19:33

teach them the skillset because I

1:19:35

can't go to the grave with this fucking

1:19:37

knowledge. I can't. I

1:19:41

know one thing I never got to thank you, but

1:19:43

I remember being in Philly, I got

1:19:45

a random text message from somebody and

1:19:47

it turned out to be she and

1:19:50

I had, you know, obviously been dealing with like a lot

1:19:52

of hate, a lot of like weird stuff. And I remember

1:19:54

I was like 23, 24, I get a weird text. I'm

1:19:56

like, who is this? I mean, it's she bro. Keep

1:19:59

your head up. keep working, you doing your thing.

1:20:01

Keep balling. It's pretty tough, but keep balling.

1:20:03

I remember just out of nowhere, I'm like,

1:20:06

damn, like, Rachid Wallace, like, you know, I

1:20:09

obviously know who I am, but at the same time,

1:20:11

like, give a fuck enough to, like, reach out. That

1:20:13

was, like, huge for me. So, like, every time, it's

1:20:15

like what Dre does for me, and

1:20:17

some of my vets always remember that. You

1:20:19

didn't owe me anything. I think we only

1:20:21

had, like, mutual friends through people. And

1:20:24

it was, like, I remember the center being like, wow,

1:20:26

like, that's absolutely crazy. I almost didn't

1:20:28

believe it was you. You know

1:20:30

what I'm saying? So, I definitely

1:20:32

appreciate you, and obviously, you know, it

1:20:35

speaks volumes to who you are

1:20:37

aside. It's dope to get to know people

1:20:39

aside from what, you know, their basketball game is,

1:20:41

but you're even doper as a person than you

1:20:43

are as a hooper, so I appreciate it. Oh,

1:20:45

for sure. Appreciate it, man. Plus, both of y'all

1:20:47

are rep for my city, man. You

1:20:49

know what I'm saying? It's right there. Both of y'all

1:20:51

are out there. Yeah, yeah. I said, I see it

1:20:53

behind you. Yeah, both of y'all rep my city. And

1:20:56

you know what I'm saying? Y'all wasn't no punks with the shit. That's

1:20:58

what I love about it. You know what I'm saying?

1:21:00

Y'all took all the criticism and guess what? Kept hooping.

1:21:03

You know what I'm saying? Y'all took all the

1:21:05

ear-drunkers. Y'all know how we tough on motherfuckers and

1:21:07

filly y'all here, that shit all the time. But

1:21:09

no, y'all kept hooping. I love the fact that

1:21:11

y'all was hooping for my city, man. Appreciate

1:21:15

it, man. Well, hopefully, they still call you

1:21:17

at your city since you got the Kansas

1:21:19

City Chiefs hat on. You

1:21:22

know how the streets go, man. Tell me a lot

1:21:24

about that. Oh, hey, hey, E.T., let me tell you

1:21:26

this. Last year, not even

1:21:28

this year, last year I had the

1:21:30

whole city married with me, dawg. The

1:21:32

whole city was hot with your boy.

1:21:35

So we came on top. And then

1:21:37

this year, look, just what's today? The

1:21:41

19th. The 19th. You see, whatever. A

1:21:44

couple of days ago, I went to a Sixers game. So

1:21:46

me and my cousin went to the Sixers game over

1:21:48

the weekend. I had to go home because my uncle

1:21:51

had passed. So we was like, I'm gonna catch a

1:21:53

game. And man, I had

1:21:55

my Chiefs jersey. I had my Chiefs hat.

1:21:58

And then they showed me up on the jolt. I yell

1:22:01

the whole the whole arena was

1:22:03

quiet. I thought I was gonna be You

1:22:07

oh, that's honorable Brother

1:22:12

shouldn't boo she regardless, bro Last

1:22:17

year my nigga last year when we

1:22:19

played the Eagles I want to Philly

1:22:21

like Two days

1:22:23

before Super Bowl went

1:22:25

to a six-game war chief certain Yo, I

1:22:28

never got booed that hard since I left

1:22:30

Carolina No

1:22:36

everything but no they didn't boo I

1:22:38

was like, yeah my boys got some

1:22:40

respect finally Well, yeah, I love every

1:22:42

other Philly team. That's the crazy thing.

1:22:44

I just don't like You

1:22:49

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1:22:51

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