0:00

So first off man, freestyle flow. Here I

0:02

go. No, I was just, no, you have

0:04

your freestyle corporate flow. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't

0:06

know I'd do that. I

0:09

dabble. I dabble. I freestyle,

0:11

man. Ain't no thing to me. Four

0:14

bars. Driving in foreign cars. You already

0:16

know who I are. You already know

0:18

who I'm is. I'm about that biz.

0:20

Get my cheese like whiz. Just

0:22

something like that. Okay, that's part. Just something like.

0:24

Point. Forward. This is Andre

0:27

Iguodala. This is Evan Turner. We're trying to

0:29

get to the true essence of not just

0:31

basketball, but life and that means something, something,

0:33

something. It is

0:35

like a finger pointing away to the moon.

0:39

Don't concentrate on the

0:41

finger or you will miss

0:43

all that heavenly glory. So

0:48

Kaitlyn Clark, declaring for the WNBA

0:50

draft has resulted in the rise

0:53

of prices in the WNBA with their

0:55

tickets. Besides Taylor Swift, we know how

0:57

much y'all love Taylor Swift. Kaitlyn Clark

1:00

has been one of the hottest names

1:02

in sports in 2024. Her

1:04

year has been nothing short of spectacular. She's

1:06

broken the NCAA all time scoring record, along

1:09

with announcing that she will be declaring for

1:11

the 2024 WNBA draft, which

1:14

has sent waves through the sports world. Ticket

1:16

prices are already rising and the good folks

1:18

at Andy are already getting her throne ready.

1:21

With this much attention and money floating around

1:23

so soon, it's eerily similar

1:25

to the arrival of rookies like Patrick

1:27

Ewing and Pistol Pete Barabich, as the

1:29

way they were able to pace the

1:31

way in groundbreaking deals that matches their

1:33

popularity. So we want to break down

1:36

how Kaitlyn Clark, the Kaitlyn

1:38

Clark economy is moving at

1:40

the moment. Indiana is catching

1:42

Kaitlyn Clark fever as they likely

1:44

number one overall pick. Since Kaitlyn

1:46

has declared for the WNBA draft,

1:49

the average ticket price to see the fever

1:51

in action next season has more than doubled

1:55

from last season, jumping from $60 to $140. Wow. What

2:00

do you think of that? How do you think

2:02

they'll be taking pause? Like we talked about like,

2:05

obviously compared her to the passion, you and

2:07

all those types of situations, but is

2:11

it kind of risky to really move up, you

2:13

know, the price of, I

2:15

equated to some new balances. Remember new balances,

2:17

you'd be like a little $70 dollar. And

2:20

now we went to a store right there. I'm like, I'm

2:22

about to run, I'm paying $200 for some new balances. Do

2:24

you think the world is ready to

2:27

really take that crazy jump is capable of

2:29

close, you know, all these and I

2:31

think it'll be the first real step because when we

2:34

compare the pistol P one thing

2:36

I want to have a conversation about is like, could

2:38

she be the first million dollar player on court? We

2:40

discussed the salary, we discussed like

2:43

the popularity and if she's able to affect

2:45

it this way, we looked at, we

2:48

talked about Kate and Clark and we talked about

2:50

Juju Watkins coming three or

2:52

four years later. Could this be

2:54

like the first real couple of steps for a

2:56

player to rearrange the game? That's the salary standpoint.

2:58

Look at Patrick Ewing back in 1985. He

3:01

had the David Falk negotiated the

3:03

biggest working deal

3:05

ever and that was based off how

3:07

crazy the pre-order ticket sales went in New

3:10

York and the popularity she's going to bring

3:12

with her. She's got Gatorade, she has Nike,

3:15

she has State Farm, she has something like

3:17

the top endorsers and it's going, she's going

3:19

to be on TV regardless. And I think

3:21

like when you break down the economy of

3:23

it, people are traveling

3:25

from thousands and thousands of miles and

3:27

there's a way to watch her play. Is there any correlation in being

3:29

able to, her kick down door

3:31

and keep raising the value of an athlete similar

3:34

to that of like I said, Pat, Pat Ewing

3:36

or Pistol Pete? I think it's perfect

3:39

timing and location and

3:41

you know, just coming from all star

3:43

weekend in Indianapolis, Indiana

3:46

is a huge basketball

3:48

market. You know, what'd

3:50

you say basketball was

3:53

invented in Canada, but

3:55

it was what Indiana,

3:57

what's that the phrase? They're

4:00

very and so ten of them available,

4:02

you know, basically, I mean it was

4:04

a minute in Springfield, Massachusetts. Yeah

4:08

but it was it was really started

4:11

in Indiana and Their

4:14

love of basketball and

4:17

the way that Caitlyn cart, you

4:19

know Just call a spade

4:21

a spade the way she looks her

4:23

presence, you know coming from Iowa Midwest

4:27

that culture of

4:29

basketball wants to see it's the perfect

4:31

marriage perfect match You know, I

4:33

know back in the day when NBA was

4:35

first getting this footing, you know, they drafted

4:38

guys You

4:40

were you went to teams based on your

4:42

regional location based on the college that you

4:45

came from, you know, so after

4:48

Robinson played for University

4:50

of Cincinnati, right and then he played for

4:52

the Cincinnati Royals pistol Pete you talk about him with

4:54

the LSU You went to New

4:56

Orleans and played For the jazz,

4:58

right? So a lot of that, you

5:01

know Georgetown I know that's in DC but Pat

5:03

you ain't going to use a larger than than

5:05

life figure So him going to New York was

5:07

just a perfect marriage I mean magic going to

5:09

LA with the way he played the game of

5:11

basketball All

5:13

that matched up with Showtime. And so I think

5:15

it's a great opportunity Are we at that point?

5:18

That's what I'm saying. You're talking about certain moments

5:20

where it really changed Do you think we're at

5:22

that point where this is going to be a

5:24

whole nother steppest dollar? I

5:26

mean look at look at the Vegas the Vegas

5:29

the aces in the way that they'd be twerking when

5:31

they with the trophy And

5:33

lockering that's that's a Vegas

5:35

bod You know,

5:37

so I'm talking about like the realistic shit of this

5:39

stands on its own Right You

5:43

photo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean more stats

5:45

coming from it You know site traffic

5:47

to the fever home page has spiked over 180 percent overnight

5:50

the average list price for fever hung

5:53

opener spiked 303 percent and fans

5:57

This is a crazy crazy number fans will travel

5:59

on average 314 miles to see fever compared to

6:01

237 miles last year distance from

6:07

Iowa City to Indy 366 miles so that's a crazy

6:09

crazy 80 mile push on average

6:16

80 miles on

6:19

average to go see

6:21

again is insane if

6:23

Indian apples get the four seasons and

6:26

like a no-boo or something because of

6:28

Caitlyn Clark that's when something

6:33

else something else oh no but I'm not gonna say

6:35

like their version

6:39

of a noble their version of four season well

6:41

of course but I say like it sounds like

6:43

shit when a big-time player come with instructions started

6:46

happening like you say bro I live in Ohio

6:48

bro who even look like a piece of shit

6:50

when Brown ain't there what is there bro the

6:52

lights be on you like god damn like you

6:55

know Indy gets a casino oh

6:58

you should call it the cable Clark casino

7:00

three feet yeah triple C's

7:03

triple say that a wrap group rig

7:06

Ross double C is

7:08

a wrestler no he's

7:10

a he's Rick Ross and then my thought it's

7:12

me around a wrong maybe I'm really I

7:15

don't know I already I don't know why

7:17

they triple seed but what else does

7:20

the rise in ticket prices help or hurt

7:22

in this case I don't think so I

7:24

mean we saw what's happening in college basketball

7:27

their ticket prices have risen on

7:30

big moments I'll stay first Iowa was

7:32

a huge game huge my Nebraska volleyball

7:35

team prices went up they sold out the game

7:37

I mean when is it ever bad it's just

7:39

a mark I know how big of like a

7:41

hoorah gymmer for debt was or like a JJ

7:43

ratty I don't know JJ was that big pause

7:45

but um Adam Morrison yeah I'm more so

7:48

when you sell that height that is the

7:50

sure thing it's right I mean shit if

7:52

it doesn't go that way that's that's a

7:55

momentum still keep up and like you know

7:57

what occurs coming from right behind

8:00

working at being like a talented college

8:02

star, just being like, yo, you're in a big leagues,

8:04

you're not doing shit. That's that drop value of everything,

8:06

you know what I'm saying? And that's just, that's the

8:08

question. Great question. Somebody that came in player

8:10

year number two pick and being like,

8:13

ah, well, I know. I go

8:15

from like 250 autographs

8:17

and people be like, I need 25 to sign

8:19

this shit. And it's like, nah, gee, I'm straight.

8:22

No, I think it's, you know, this situation

8:24

is different being that, you know,

8:26

it's tailored. It's

8:29

tailored to the talent, you know.

8:33

Sometimes in the NBA, it happens where you

8:35

got a talent and you just put them in the

8:38

worst case environment, the worst environment

8:40

they can possibly be in, you

8:42

know, the W being in what 27, 28 years of existence, still,

8:47

you know, getting their foot in getting attraction. And it's coming,

8:50

it looks like it's coming, you know, with the National Women's

8:52

Soccer Team, the National Women's

8:54

Soccer League, their TV deal, you

8:57

know, coming fresh off the World Cup, a hype and,

8:59

you know, not just a hype, but

9:02

their overall folks that showed

9:04

up and showed out to support. And,

9:06

you know, soccer is a simplest sport. It's a

9:08

simplest form. Everybody can play it. So maybe it's

9:10

viewed differently from folks who

9:13

feel like they can do it. I

9:15

feel like basketball is making its way and

9:17

you got to ride the momentum, any

9:20

opportunity you can. And if

9:23

Caitlin does struggle, it just shows how great you have to

9:25

be to play the game of basketball. Maybe some people will

9:27

put even more respect on it. So I try to look

9:29

at it both ways as like a positive. It's

9:31

real. No, that's a good point to take

9:33

in. Man, that's just hoping all plays out because right now

9:35

there's a lot of special things happening and it seems like

9:38

things are clicking at the right time. And,

9:40

you know, if they're going to, you know, if the push

9:42

and momentum is going to keep up, I think this is

9:44

where, you know, we stick with it.

9:46

Point forward. On

9:49

this week's episode of Point Forward, we have

9:51

another special guest from the comedy slash

9:53

influencer world. He had a nine year

9:55

NFL career and now he's one of

9:57

the biggest sports storytellers around. welcome

10:00

multi-talented Spice Adams to

10:02

the show. Point forward.

10:06

Today we are joined by Anthony

10:08

Adams aka Spice. Where's my

10:10

camera? This one right here?

10:12

I think that's it. All

10:14

of them. So as athletes,

10:17

I think it's coming after I retire right? So

10:20

as athletes and we all we all retired now.

10:23

Is that official? Yeah. What you got 20 in? 19. 19. Why

10:25

you don't want to do 20? I

10:41

got my reasons. No, but honestly on

10:45

I think I found my niche outside

10:48

of the game. That is going to be

10:50

bigger than the hopefully, hopefully bigger than

10:52

the things that I did on the court while I

10:54

was playing. I'm excited for you man. So I'm very

10:56

excited about that. But it's

10:58

these we hear it all the

11:00

time these conversations of how do

11:03

athletes make that transition? Yeah. And

11:05

for you to make the transition

11:07

that you had in terms of

11:09

like people see you every single

11:11

day. Yeah. Like I've been through.

11:14

I've been through like 45 minutes.

11:17

You get stuck in that phone. My

11:19

wife doesn't do social media, but

11:21

she knows who you are. That's fine.

11:24

This one. Oh, what'd you say now? Oh,

11:27

I like when you was like, the

11:30

DJ ran it back flawlessly. Oh

11:32

yeah. Yeah. The sounds and songs.

11:34

You know, and you've had some

11:36

amazing write-ups about it and you've

11:39

had success with it. Layering

11:42

on top of that. Yeah. You know, so I

11:44

wanted to definitely dive into that conversation for folks.

11:47

You know, who are maybe new to you. There

11:49

aren't too many folks that will be, but you

11:52

know, just that transition, you know, for me as

11:54

well, you know, being a retired athlete. What's

11:56

that like? But, you know. going

12:00

back to you playing football, you

12:02

know, do you think there was, when

12:05

you were playing, what

12:07

was it about yourself or how

12:09

you conducted yourself that you, were you

12:11

always like this? And kind

12:13

of like just growing up, like how did it

12:15

come about? Like all these characters that you have

12:18

is pretty amazing. So, uh,

12:20

I'm the only child. So I

12:23

used to always do different things, so people

12:26

want to come back over to my house because I

12:28

didn't have no brothers and sisters, you know what

12:30

I'm saying? So somebody come over, I'll be like,

12:32

hey, watch this. That's the crazy. What

12:38

are you going to do next? Like I'll make

12:40

myself more on the flight of stairs. Like, oh,

12:42

I was like a fat stuntman. So I've been

12:44

this same size as I was like 12. Everybody's

12:46

like, oh, you're

12:48

going to be like six, four, six, five. I stayed

12:51

at five, 11 dogs. So,

12:55

uh, with me doing

12:57

what I do now, it's like,

13:00

it's a form of entertainment. And that's all

13:02

I've been doing, like, you know, since I

13:04

was little. So football is a form of

13:06

entertainment. So I had been doing that for

13:08

18 years with high school, college and pro.

13:10

So, uh, after I was done, I just, you know,

13:13

kind of stepped out on faith, started

13:15

leaning on some of my teammates. They was like,

13:17

dog, you should do it. Like put these videos

13:19

out because we see how funny

13:21

you are in the locker room, but nobody else

13:23

really gets a chance to do it. So I

13:25

started making these videos, putting it up on YouTube.

13:27

And then when I did my retirement video at

13:30

White Castle, that it went crazy

13:32

of all places, right? White Castle.

13:34

It was just random. I just

13:37

don't happen to have a suit

13:39

on. And, uh, I had just

13:41

turned in my retirement papers like the

13:43

day before. So I was like, we're

13:45

driving by. I was like, man, stop here. Stomach

13:49

real quick. Our

13:53

baby, she's 12 now at the time.

13:55

She was like, I don't know, a

13:57

couple months old. And, uh, we

14:00

had just so happen had a camera on it so I

14:02

was like I got an idea which

14:05

every time I say that my wife is like

14:07

oh my gosh because she's like complete opposite of

14:09

me like she's a straight introvert

14:11

I'm like extrovert I'm walking in like

14:13

hey what up everybody and she's like

14:15

oh my gosh oh for instance I

14:18

went to the Kevin Hart concert

14:22

and dog I had on a robe a

14:25

burgundy robe I had on like a burgundy

14:27

pants I didn't even have a shirt on

14:29

dog and I had on some

14:32

glasses and like a burgundy hat and uh

14:34

I'm going like I'm going to the Kevin

14:36

Hart's dog and my wife was like I

14:38

had on some big black burgundy

14:41

gators wait does she see this when does she see the

14:43

outfit did you see you put it on in the car

14:46

what car did you see when I walked out like to

14:48

get in the car she's like come

14:50

on like can you take a day off what

14:52

car did you drive up there we were going

14:54

to escalate oh that's what I was doing bro

14:57

here no I'll

15:04

keep it simple man I got I like the cars like

15:06

that and uh we pull

15:08

up man United Center dog I step

15:11

off the ride like that

15:13

she like oh my gosh but I

15:15

always been like dude really always man

15:17

it's just so happened that social media

15:20

came at the time when it did

15:22

like I was on fine and then

15:24

Instagram had 15 seconds videos

15:26

at the time and then YouTube was taking

15:28

off so I just put everything up on

15:30

social media man and just stepped out

15:32

on faith just put myself out there just

15:34

like how we do sports like every

15:37

week or every day for y'all like you got

15:39

to go out and perform and

15:41

you just got to have trust in you know

15:43

your athletic ability and how you've been lifting weights

15:46

and stuff like that so that's the same thing

15:48

I do with the video yeah but you started

15:50

off heavy uh you know from Detroit yeah as

15:52

a football player you were able to go to

15:54

Penn State play for a legendary coach Joe Paterno

15:57

your academic all-american second team all I'll

16:00

repeat that, because there's only two of us in here. What

16:02

do you mean? I can get up all night.

16:04

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they be sleeping on

16:07

that. Yeah. I did a little something in

16:09

the classroom, man. But you said,

16:11

from the get go, growing up in Detroit, you always

16:14

kind of knew that you had tunnel vision. You knew

16:16

you were going to get out of that environment

16:18

and become some of the successfuls. So I

16:20

talked to us about what even

16:23

growing up in Detroit was. Well,

16:25

my mom did a good job

16:27

of sheltering me from the other

16:29

lifestyle that wasn't too far from

16:32

my house, like all the gang activity and

16:34

gambling and drugs and all that stuff. I

16:36

went to King High School, right? Yeah, in

16:38

any King High School. You already know. You

16:41

go to any Martin King Boulevard in

16:44

America. The

16:46

top schools in Detroit is Cass, Cass

16:48

Tech, Renaissance, and King. Those are the

16:50

top three schools. And you got to

16:52

take tests to get into those

16:54

schools. So I took a test. I passed.

16:56

And I never really wanted to play football.

16:59

I wanted to play basketball because I'm from

17:01

Detroit. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right.

17:03

Yeah, you were. I said, Tomlin, Joe Dumars,

17:05

Jaz Sally, Dennis Rodman, all that. So

17:08

I was just being bad boys, Susan

17:10

J, and all that. Of course, it's

17:12

going in. But

17:15

I was always this big like this. So

17:17

my mom was like, nah, you got to

17:19

play football. And then I'll play Nintendo. I

17:21

slam the joystick down. Oh, Martin, Jesus. Yeah.

17:24

You got to find a way to channel

17:26

all of this energy. So

17:28

she dropped me off one day at

17:31

practice. I had on an

17:33

outfit similar to this. I had on some shorts. I

17:35

had on some white Air Force ones, probably a

17:37

tank top, something like that. I'm a coach

17:40

like, hey, go out there and

17:42

run and walk and all this

17:45

stuff. Ever since then, we all got

17:47

together. Everybody doing jumping jacks together. I was like, dog,

17:49

this is like a brotherhood. You know what

17:51

I'm saying? I ain't got no brothers and sisters. I

17:53

feel like these are my brothers. So

17:55

my mom can't pick me out there in big hoods. Mom,

17:57

thank you, man. We got to be back. I'm

18:00

30 tomorrow, I wanna hear about two. So

18:02

every since then, man, I love it.

18:05

So growing up in Detroit, man, my

18:07

mom did a good job, but keeping me

18:09

out of, and then my family, a

18:12

lot of my uncles and aunts, strung out on

18:14

crack or in and out of jail. I ain't

18:16

wanna, you know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't

18:18

wanna be the heartache for my mom, so I

18:20

wanted to be like the price spot. So always

18:23

was like textbook, did everything but a book.

18:25

So talk about, you know, you left, you went to Penn State, you

18:28

able to go play for legendary Joe Paterno. What

18:31

was the first, you know, first couple of days

18:33

like that like, and you're playing for him for

18:35

your career? I had to learn a lot, man.

18:37

Like, you know, there was so many rules.

18:40

Like you can't have any chin here. You

18:42

got, I couldn't have a hat on like this. You kind

18:44

of know hats in the building. You had to be on

18:46

time, like all types of stuff, man.

18:48

So if he said we got meetings at eight o'clock, you

18:51

gotta be there by 7 45, really 7 44. If

18:55

you're there at 7 45 and you late, so

18:57

it's like, what, what, how's it saying

19:00

go to be on time? If you're late,

19:02

if you're earlier on time, if you're on

19:04

time, you're late, you're late, you're fired. Yeah.

19:07

You know what I'm saying? So he pretty

19:09

much had that attitude and you know, I was

19:11

like, man, let me get all these rules, man.

19:14

Like I'm just getting my little goatee. I

19:16

got a couple of chin here, I'm saying. Dog

19:19

took me years, brother. So,

19:22

you know, growing up in Detroit and then

19:24

having that type of structure and

19:26

not really having no father figure like that. Cause my

19:28

dad went to prison when I was like four. So

19:31

I had to look at the coaches as

19:33

like my role models or father figures or

19:36

whatever. So that's a, and then a lot

19:38

of my coaches

19:40

and like

19:42

people I looked up to were all like Q

19:44

dogs. Yeah. So when I went

19:46

to college, I said, they were showing me

19:48

like weight room and the fields. I'm like,

19:50

man, where the Q's at? He's like, oh,

19:52

you're talking about the purple guys. They're here.

19:55

All right, cool. I can come here on

19:57

food. Oh wow. Yeah. That

19:59

was like. That was big for me. Like the fact that Penn

20:01

State had the cues up there, I was like, oh yeah, all

20:03

right, I can come here now. So

20:06

you had tons of success at Penn State,

20:08

whether they're on the field, like you said

20:10

your second round picks, so that was no

20:12

small. Not first, like y'all, you two overalls.

20:15

We were only two rounds in basketball. Yeah,

20:17

first round, like you know what I'm saying?

20:19

No, no, no, you gonna play, you gonna

20:21

get paid. Second round, you gonna play, third

20:23

round you know you gonna play. And football,

20:26

you gonna play. Yeah, but

20:28

it ain't the same type of guy. Same

20:30

thing, same type of time. It ain't, but like y'all, you ain't. I'm 57.

20:33

I'm 57. And how

20:35

many guys on y'all roster in football? Oh,

20:38

like 58. Right, we was trying to 14, 15 us. So

20:43

it was even harder. No, no,

20:45

I'm saying equivalent. Like if you get drafted in

20:47

the second round, it's like getting drafted in the

20:49

first round. You're a baseman. No, don't do that.

20:51

Yeah. You was number nine,

20:53

you were number two overall. That's pretty

20:55

good. You should have pretty good. No,

20:58

no. You got like 10 in. I got 10 in

21:00

and you got double that. Yeah, you ain't wanna do

21:02

20. 20 is 20. But

21:06

when you first got drafted and everything, you got drafted,

21:08

Dre's favorite team in 49. Yeah, I got some issues

21:10

with you. I got some issues with you. With me?

21:13

Yeah, cause it's

21:15

like you playing for the Niners, but

21:18

you talk more about the Bears, but

21:21

you play longer for the Niners. I'm employed by

21:23

the Bears. You were. No, I am.

21:25

I am, he still works for the Bears. I'm

21:28

on my 10th season. He's still with him. He's going

21:30

inside the Bears. Yes, yes. And I live out here.

21:32

This is true. This is true. I

21:34

love the 49ers. I mean, they

21:36

the reason I was able to be a

21:39

good Chicago Bear, cause everything

21:41

I learned from Bryant Young and Julian

21:44

Peterson and Jeremy Newberry Flanagan

21:48

and like everybody, bro.

21:50

Everybody was like, it was like a bunch of

21:52

old vets there, man, and they took care of

21:54

me. So it was nothing like

21:57

being like a 23 year old. and

22:00

then seeing people like Mary with kids and

22:02

stuff like that who would like go out

22:04

on the field and just

22:06

bull rushing. You're like, dog, these

22:08

is grown men. Dog, like kids,

22:10

like your kid is eight years

22:12

old. Like, shit,

22:15

please. Like, and you in Bible

22:17

study and like, like I

22:19

look at BY dog and see like all

22:21

the moves and everything he'll put on people

22:23

and like just how we would bull rush

22:26

people and then like leaders in Bible study.

22:28

I'm like, oh, who is this guy, man?

22:30

Like, this guy, he's Hall of Famer. That's

22:32

always what I wanted to know is how

22:34

you flip that switch in football. Like,

22:37

cause you got, you in the trenches. You got

22:39

to understand that it

22:42

ain't so far that I just lost out

22:45

there. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got

22:47

to, like, when you're on the field and

22:49

you're on the grass, you get down in the stands, then

22:51

it's like, you can physically

22:53

beat a person's head

22:55

and don't got to worry about the police.

22:58

Like, whatever

23:01

is wrong with you, you can take it

23:03

out on somebody and people would cheer for

23:05

that. Like, I could like take my

23:07

forearm and put it in your neck and

23:10

like people be like, yes. And

23:13

so like, it's just like a great, like

23:15

it's like boxing, like it's like a release,

23:17

man. You know what I'm saying? So football

23:20

is like, I love it, man.

23:22

Like I was able to let loose a

23:24

lot of aggression out on people, man. It

23:27

was lovely, dog. I love it. And I

23:29

love everything everybody hates. Like

23:32

training camp, like, you know, going up against

23:34

the center in the guard. Like I got

23:36

double teamed like my whole

23:38

career. And I was like, let's go. If

23:41

you tell the three techniques, the

23:43

guy who played next to me, if you tell them to

23:45

play nose guard, he'll be like, hell no,

23:47

I'm not doing that. I guess

23:49

like a thankless position, dog. It's like

23:52

people who do the dirty work. Don't nobody want to do the dirty

23:54

work. I love doing it. So

23:57

one off season, you're like the most viable

23:59

free agent. Right? No.

24:02

Not me. No. No.

24:05

I was like... I mean, for those intangibles, when you went to the Bears,

24:07

that's what they really wanted, right? Wanting,

24:09

you know, the position that you brought the

24:11

team. Those, I ain't even going to make myself

24:13

see like that. I was just feeling the

24:16

void that they have. But you came to Lovey

24:18

Smith during that tenure, right? Yeah. That

24:21

was some of our highest times in our...

24:23

Well, you hit a free agency like March

24:25

1st at 12 a.m. and your

24:28

phone ain't ringing. You ain't the first

24:30

tier guy. Yeah. And then,

24:32

so the first tier goes that first week.

24:34

Phone ringing off the hook. Mine wasn't ringing

24:36

off the hook. Then the second tier goes like

24:38

that next week. And

24:40

then you got to wait till like people get hurt or injured

24:43

or something like that and then they call you. And I was

24:45

more like a third or fourth tier type guy. So

24:47

they signed me like for a two-year deal just

24:50

to see like how I would do. And then

24:52

they're like, all right, this guy, you know, he

24:54

kind of all right. Like he deserve another contract

24:56

and they give me another contract. So end

24:59

up playing here for five years after doing four

25:01

with the 49ers. That's a long time. It is.

25:04

It is a long time. And so, but walk me

25:06

through that mentality and the mindset you had to have

25:09

being in the position that you are saying that

25:11

the type of player you are is like, so

25:13

how do you, you know, do

25:15

you plan for the future? You know, what's

25:17

it like going to practice every day? You

25:20

know, what's it like, you know, I got to let me

25:22

get the short end of the stick. Like how do you

25:24

keep the same passion, you know, the

25:27

same appreciation for yourself and like just

25:29

keep holding yourself to a high standard

25:31

knowing like, you know, I'm

25:33

not as valued as they think. Well,

25:37

I know how to play. You know

25:39

what I'm saying? And I got a lot of

25:41

good coaching throughout the years and

25:44

I hustle. So, and that's,

25:46

that's what you got to do when you get out there, man. You

25:49

just got to hustle. You got to make things happen. You got to

25:51

make plays. You got to be

25:53

in a position where people can trust you. And

25:56

so once I got that trust of a Lance Briggs

25:58

of a peanut to him and Tommy Brian

26:00

Ehrlacher, then they like, all right, I know this

26:02

guy is gonna always be where he needs to

26:04

be. And so it's not gonna

26:06

be any gray areas. Like, so, and once you

26:09

get that trust from people, then you

26:11

become a system guy. Then y'all know what that

26:13

is. Like, you run a triangle offense, we need

26:15

this guy. You run this offense, we need this

26:17

guy. So I was like one of those guys

26:19

that you can plug in in that 4-3 scheme

26:21

that we was in. And I understood the scheme

26:23

of the defense and I never, like, I'm a

26:25

textbook guy. Like, you want me to be an

26:27

Agap? That's all I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be

26:29

a big guy. That's all I'm gonna be. And

26:31

if I'm not gonna be there, I'm on my

26:33

way. And I'm gonna get there by any means

26:35

necessary. If I gotta make a pile, if

26:38

I gotta dive to get there, whatever I gotta

26:40

do, like, I'm laying my body out on

26:42

the line and I'm gonna be in my gap. So,

26:45

yeah, yeah. And then, you know, walk

26:50

me through, you

26:52

had one of your, one of my favorite videos of

26:54

yours is when you're

26:57

explaining the different types of

26:59

guys after the last loss

27:01

of the season. The guy, the

27:03

team that don't make the playoffs, right? Cancun,

27:06

Cancun on three. The guy that

27:08

was going to debate. You

27:11

know, where you going? I'm going to

27:13

debate. When?

27:15

You're gonna count it? Oh, you're gonna

27:17

count it? No, debate. You

27:20

mean Dubai? The

27:22

first thing, did that really happen? Yeah.

27:25

Ooh. If you people don't even know how to say stuff, I'm

27:28

going to N.T. boy. Like, it's N.T. gut.

27:32

If you go into the place, you at least know how to

27:34

say it. You know what I mean? Like, people be, dog,

27:36

it's funny, man, how you

27:38

just, and then we got 58. So

27:40

it's like, you can kinda see how

27:42

different people is. Like, some people been

27:44

ready to go since week nine.

27:46

Some people know they gonna get

27:48

released. Some people know they going

27:50

to a different team. Some people looking forward

27:52

to next year. Some people are worried about what they

27:55

gonna do for the off season, how they gonna train,

27:57

how they gonna eat. Some players just don't

27:59

care. Like, I'm getting

28:01

paid, so it is what it is. And

28:05

I've been around long enough where I just

28:08

observe everybody,

28:10

man, that's how I make all my videos.

28:12

If I'm doing like an overhead character, it's

28:15

probably like one of my uncles or my

28:17

dad. Like, for instance, we went

28:19

to go see Superman and

28:21

my dad come upstairs, he

28:24

had on a white suit

28:26

with sequins on it. And

28:29

he had on his belt, his black belt,

28:31

it had all type of rhinestones on it.

28:33

I'm like, dad, we going to Spider-Man,

28:35

dog. Like, this is like a three hour movie,

28:38

dog. Like, you gonna be in there? I say,

28:40

dad, where are you going? He said,

28:43

to the top. I'm like,

28:45

all right, right? I

28:49

can't even argue with that. You're right, man. I said,

28:51

man, how many stones you got, how many diamonds you

28:53

got on your belt? He said, 273. I

28:57

mean, count it, he's one. But

29:00

that, hey, I guess that's where I

29:02

get it from, man. So one of

29:04

your more successful characters is Creamy Bigger.

29:07

Yeah, Creamy Bigger, man. One of the big ballers in

29:09

the world. Yeah. You said you somewhat created off some

29:11

of past family members

29:14

and everything like that. So when did that come about?

29:16

And are you shocked off some of the success you

29:18

got? Because that's the one that gets you the most

29:20

endorsement. I didn't even wanna do that. Your all-star games,

29:22

everything. I didn't even wanna do it, man. It

29:24

was stupid. It was just sitting in

29:26

the back of my phone, dog. I had, it was

29:29

like a July or June or something like that.

29:31

It was hot. I was in my garage just

29:34

doing all these moves, like not even on like

29:36

a court and nothing like that. Just in

29:38

the garage, like doing moves. And

29:41

I was like, this is stupid. It

29:44

just stayed in my phone. So this

29:46

was when the Cavs were playing

29:48

you guys at Golden State, I think. And during

29:51

the finals, so I was like, man, I'ma put

29:53

this video out. I'm about to go to sleep.

29:56

We were at a track meet. My

29:58

son was playing there like. Indiana somewhere,

30:00

Ball State or something like that. And

30:03

he was, had to track me. So

30:05

I was like dozing off. I was like, man,

30:07

I'm gonna put this video up, man. And just

30:09

slap finals on it or whatever. So I put

30:11

it out, fell asleep. And then I'm waking up,

30:13

like getting all these notifications. Like all my friends

30:15

like, yo, Kevin Hart just posted

30:17

your video. So I'm like, man,

30:20

that man is a full fledged movie

30:22

star. Like he done put my video on his

30:24

page. Like maybe he commented on my

30:27

video or something like that but I'll go to his page

30:29

and it's on there. So then when he posted it, then

30:31

House of Highlight's post, then Ludacris,

30:33

Snoop Dogg, Jamie Foxx, like some

30:35

of everybody. So I was like,

30:37

dang, like I'm gonna have to make

30:40

an account for him. Somebody steal it and all that

30:42

type of stuff. So I made an account for a

30:44

Cream Biggs. We got like over 300,000

30:46

followers. I was on, was

30:48

it 2K19? I

30:51

was, I flew out to Canada cause

30:54

they didn't have like a body type like

30:56

mine. They thought they could just insert a

30:59

different dog. I was in there

31:01

like doing jazz stuff. Like I was in that thing for

31:03

like three hours. I was cramping up. I was like, how

31:05

much more y'all need? So we

31:07

was doing that and dog, the rating came out

31:09

and I was like 89. Like I'm dunking on

31:11

people and all that stuff. Very realistic. But

31:16

I didn't even wanna do it, bruh. I

31:18

had put it out and then I was

31:20

just like, dang, I got something with this

31:23

character. That way, you know, if you meeting

31:25

Shakil O'Meeo, which you both are hoping. I'm

31:27

a dog. I have a big podcast going

31:29

to that, going to how you met Shak

31:32

and how you've been able to make organic relationship.

31:34

I met Shak, we were doing

31:36

a Kellogg's event for

31:38

like Marsh Madness or Final Four

31:41

or something like that. And

31:43

it was like Jesus and Pringles. I was thinking it

31:45

was Shak. And then Magic

31:48

Johnson was coach of my team.

31:50

Yes. Shak was coaching the other

31:52

team. When he met me, he was

31:54

like, dog, you know, I follow you and whatever that.

31:56

I was like, oh, that's cool, man. And then, you

31:59

know, he's a cue. I'ma cue it, like, man,

32:01

we gonna do something together. So, you know,

32:03

when people say it, you know, you feel like- You all both,

32:05

you cross when you're in college? Yeah. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So,

32:07

he was like, yeah, man, we gonna work. And I was

32:09

like, all right, cool, whatever. But then he came with the

32:11

podcast, I was like, oh, snap,

32:13

like, this is real, like, it's happening. So, we

32:16

did the podcast for, I think, like, two seasons.

32:18

So, we gotta have y'all on there, man. Oh,

32:21

man, yeah. We're putting shit, we're putting shit, we're putting-

32:23

How long y'all with teammates? Like, two, three years? We

32:25

made two or three. Two years.

32:27

It felt like forever. It felt like forever.

32:29

Was Iggy a good teammate? Iggy

32:32

was a very good teammate, he was a good guy. No,

32:34

no, no, I'm saying, like, Iggy, when you

32:36

break it down, like, sometimes they

32:39

help bother to shit out you, and, like, harass-

32:41

I'm like you. Yeah, like, no, no, like, harass

32:43

you, not stop becoming in the locker room, like,

32:45

I thought your shoes was gone. Like, you know,

32:48

let me see your phone. You

32:50

go through all your pictures, you know what I'm saying?

32:52

You fall asleep on a plane, you'll take a picture

32:54

with you as your hand in your pants. That's all

32:56

the stuff you miss when you does. I know, for

32:58

sure. And, you know, it's one of those things where,

33:02

you know, you comprehend, you know, to keep your humor as

33:04

you get older. But, you know, one thing that he

33:06

was, was just a great leader, and, you know, somebody

33:08

that was accountable. So, that's dope, man.

33:10

Yeah, he is. I was saying, Spice,

33:12

in a more serious note, clearly, your

33:14

post-plan career kind of has a different

33:16

representation of, you know, sometimes of what

33:18

it goes to be an athlete, you

33:20

know, sometimes with football players, you'll

33:23

see people in your position, and sometimes you'll see

33:25

people that are suffering from, you know, the issues

33:27

of playing football for so long. So, what

33:30

do you want your platform to really say

33:32

or represent as a former NFL player where

33:34

the conversation is so heavy, CTE, not

33:37

to let our kids play this sport, and

33:39

so on and so forth? And, you know,

33:41

what have you done also in order, you know,

33:43

sometimes we've seen those situations to kind of try

33:45

to speak out? Yeah, I honestly

33:47

didn't want my son to play football,

33:49

but I didn't want him to resent

33:52

me. You know what I'm saying? So, by the time

33:54

he turned 14, I let it be his decision

33:56

of if he want to play or not. I'm like, I

33:58

don't want your fingers in your hands. I'm like,

34:00

I'm not a fan and my back is hurting

34:02

right now, my knees, like all this stuff. Like,

34:05

I don't want you to feel like that, but you know,

34:07

I didn't want him to resent me because you

34:09

know, I played football and you know, I got

34:11

all those lessons and everything that I learned from,

34:13

you know, being a 14 all the way up

34:15

to now. So I didn't want him to

34:18

resent me. So he's

34:20

playing now, but you

34:22

know, that the platform that I have is

34:24

just like a lane that, you

34:27

know, I'm creating and it's

34:29

a road less traveled, you

34:31

know, cause usually guys may want to go on

34:34

the coach or they may want to be an

34:36

analyst or a commentator or something like that. You

34:38

know, I just want to entertain. I

34:40

want people around me to have a good time. And

34:43

you know, I always been like that, but

34:45

you know, I think as long as you

34:47

find something that you're passionate about, like I'm

34:49

passionate about entertaining people, you know, that's just

34:51

what I like to do. I like to

34:53

have a good time. And I

34:55

found my niche, you know what I'm

34:58

saying? If you could find whatever

35:00

it is that you're a niche that you're

35:02

passionate about and that's a win, like you're

35:04

going to be successful. I

35:07

found something that I'm just as passionate about

35:09

football, you know what I'm saying? So I'm

35:12

having a good time doing it. And

35:15

I like, like the

35:17

future, I kind of like look at it

35:19

as, it's just spontaneous.

35:21

Like I don't know what God has in store

35:23

for me, but I'm excited for it. You know

35:25

what I'm saying? And I'm just, it's a lot

35:27

of times things happen to me. And

35:29

I just sit back like God is

35:31

handling like all of it. Cause there's

35:34

no way, like for instance, last week,

35:36

I did a fashion show for Toby

35:39

Wigway in Milan. But

35:41

at the time I was in Manchester.

35:44

I was in Manchester cause the Bears had a

35:46

watch party out there. So I

35:48

flew out to Manchester and Toby

35:50

was like, hey man, I

35:53

want you to be in this fashion show. And

35:55

it's in Milan. And I'm like, dog,

35:57

I'm in Manchester. He's like perfect. I'm like, what?

36:00

be perfect. So

36:02

I flew from Manchester to Milan,

36:06

fresh from like when we landed, I

36:08

went straight to rehearsal. And

36:10

so he had like, two dogs

36:13

in his fashion show for

36:15

Montclair, because for real has a line.

36:18

But for real makes clothes for dogs

36:20

too. So Tobi was

36:22

the creative director of the whole

36:24

fashion show. And so with him

36:26

knowing that he's like, what

36:29

better people to have than you dogs. Right.

36:31

So I was part of this this stuff

36:33

show in there. Of course, I came in

36:35

at the tail end because he has some

36:37

young brothers there that was like, dog,

36:41

I can't that's like high impact. Let

36:43

me come in on the tail

36:46

end. Shout

36:48

out to Anthony Varee. He's a coach for the

36:50

Warriors. Okay. He'll

36:52

do his joint every now and again. He hear that

36:55

music. He can't help himself. He got it. Dog that's

36:57

they used to set me up like that a lot

36:59

of times in locker room. Like y'all be fresh out

37:01

to a day practice or something like

37:03

that. Come on, dog. Come on, man.

37:05

Yeah. I love the

37:09

locker room. I'm having a

37:11

good time. I'm just out here being me, man.

37:14

So beautiful, beautiful. What's what can we

37:16

look for? Next? I know

37:18

I saw you in Old Spice. You know, it

37:22

feels like you created it though. It feels like you

37:24

and I'm like, you got

37:26

your touch on it. And so what can we

37:29

look for? Look forward to seeing from you and

37:31

then what are your like biggest goals, you know,

37:33

next, you know, five years. You

37:35

know what, man, I just like to like

37:37

piggyback off of what people are doing. You

37:39

know, I look at Kevin Hart, or I

37:41

look at a Michael Strahan, Shaq or somebody

37:43

like that. And these people that I can

37:45

call and I can text, say, man, let's

37:47

think about this. We think about me

37:49

making this move and stuff like And so I

37:51

got four kids. So you know, you got

37:53

to make that happen. Like when I retired,

37:55

I was like, dog,

37:58

what am I gonna do? Like

38:00

all the money you get, you gotta make it stretch.

38:02

Like you know what I'm saying? You get this lump

38:04

sum of money and you gotta make it stretch. And

38:06

when you got like all your money

38:08

going out and letting coming in, you're like, dog,

38:11

like you can only do

38:13

appearances like really during the season. Like

38:15

in the off season, it's like, bam, like what

38:17

I'm gonna do, right? So, you know, I found

38:20

social media and everything and I've just been grinding

38:22

ever since. So what's gonna happen

38:24

in the future, I really don't know, man.

38:26

I don't know if it's gonna be acting.

38:28

I don't know if it's gonna

38:30

be me being a rapper. Like,

38:34

no, I don't know, man, but I'm ready for it

38:36

all, man. Everybody come holler

38:38

at me, man. Like it's hard out here,

38:40

man, doing this independently, man, I

38:42

ain't part of no agency or nothing, man.

38:45

It's just me. So come

38:47

find me, man. We gonna be on the

38:49

rooftop, man. This is nice, man. We in

38:51

Chicago. Hey, man, hey mama. We got P.O.P.,

38:54

baby, holy damn. No,

38:57

but no, you don't have an agent for real? Say

39:00

that again. You don't have an agent for real? No, I got an

39:02

agent. I'm not part of an agency. Oh, you got an LKLKLKLK. We,

39:05

man, we done had meetings everywhere. No, I know,

39:07

I'm just making sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because

39:09

I got a new guy. You got some people

39:11

here. Yeah, we right now. I got a new

39:13

drink. I'm dog, I done did ballers. I did

39:16

second season ballers. I did Troiders, Comedy Central. I'll

39:19

be out here working, bro. And then you

39:22

was hosting the? Dog, I hosted the Action

39:24

Fest. That's all? Oh, that's crazy. I remember

39:26

that. I was the Action Fest with Apion

39:28

Crackers. Who's name by Apion? We

39:31

had never met. We had did the

39:33

verses. The verses? We did the after

39:35

verses for like two years and never

39:37

even met. Oh, you had a need after y'all

39:40

were doing that? The first time we met, he

39:42

picked me up from JW Marriott in Los Angeles,

39:45

I'll never forget, and took me over to knock

39:47

the Dre house. Oh,

39:49

wow. I'm like, fam. He's

39:51

like, he's like, oh, we gonna go see Dre. So

39:54

I'm like, who's Dre your

39:56

home? Well, I was Dre. And

39:58

so we just driving. Actually, you know. So we

40:01

started going up and my ears started

40:03

popping up. I'm like, where are we

40:05

going? We went past three sets of

40:07

security guards. And then we

40:09

go across this pine, like a bridge on

40:11

a pine. I'm like, we at an outdoor

40:13

mall? Darn, this was Dre's house,

40:16

dog. And then you get out the

40:18

car, walk down this spiral staircase. There's

40:20

another dude, big old dude there, he's

40:22

like, okay, hey, see y'all, all right.

40:25

You got your boy, which we

40:27

walk in. It's like

40:29

something that look like this, dog. And

40:31

with TVs and all type of candy and

40:33

stuff like that. And I'm like, oh, this

40:35

is cool. And then you open the door,

40:38

it's like a hallway. Then it's another door

40:40

you open. So I open that door and

40:42

Dre's like, this guy. Like, what

40:44

you mean? This guy, like Dr. Dre,

40:46

this is crazy. So we in

40:48

the studio, he rapping. He's like, dog,

40:50

what you think I should say on this verse?

40:52

I'm like, what, say whatever

40:54

you want. Like you're talking about, dog, this

40:57

is Dre. I

40:59

guess it's crazy, dog. So shout out to Apion, man,

41:01

that's my dog. No, and this is my last question

41:03

for real. How are y'all finding

41:05

these outfits so damn fast on the

41:07

after verses? Man, you should see my closet.

41:11

It's Roy G. Biv of that fact, man. Red

41:14

on, what is it, Roy G. Biv? Yellow. Dog.

41:17

Roy G. Biv. And you go by

41:19

that thing, dog. Gators, everything. I got

41:21

a whole room, it's just organized

41:23

confusion. So you walk in a

41:25

room, I know where everything is, man. I know where

41:27

like the pimp suits is. I know

41:30

where all my rose is. I know where like

41:32

all my, I had a wrestling

41:34

character at the stretch Mark Simmons. I

41:36

got all the type of stuff. WWE coming

41:38

here, dog? Oh, man. You

41:41

can't tell me I had a wrestling dog.

41:43

I be wrestling. I'm a top turn buckle.

41:45

Hey, Mark Cameron. Man, for real, dog, you

41:47

gotta take it. Dog, I seen

41:49

them backstage, man. It smelled

41:51

like a lot of being gay and stuff

41:53

like that. And them ones, we walking around there

41:55

like, somebody don't even know who they is. So

41:58

like, you know they been on it. for years. They

42:01

be walking with the hushback. Ah man, I

42:03

ain't waiting for this medicine to kick in. I'm going

42:05

to go out and round three, man. We going to

42:07

do this here, right? And then something to DDT. They

42:11

going over like how they going to wrestle. I'm

42:14

dog, it is serious, bro. Like

42:16

that WWE. And I don't think they got a union. So

42:20

they just out there, just off of

42:23

30 feet in the air, just landing

42:25

on their backs. Dog,

42:27

it ain't no joke. Somebody need to do a documentary. I'm going to

42:29

be there 30 to 30 on there. I

42:32

might be talking too much. I feel like

42:34

they already tried. Everyone got similar ideas, y'all.

42:36

Everybody's striking right now. So the

42:38

union thing is a sensitive subject. You

42:41

all got money. No,

42:43

but the auto industry is striking.

42:46

SAG, I mean, the actors and the writers, they

42:48

striking. There's a lot of striking going on. They're trying

42:50

to figure out what's the right wrong way to strike.

42:53

We can figure out the right way. So before

42:55

we dip, man, you think

42:57

our bear is going to be straight. Justin Thayer is going to be smooth.

43:00

You said last year you started franchise with him. No? All

43:04

right. And that's

43:07

it. So. You're

43:13

the greatest pair. I

43:19

still love you. Oh,

43:23

very. Oh,

43:28

that's my answer right. I thought

43:30

that. Yeah, man. What's

43:33

by sadder? You just how you

43:35

going to end on that? I really wanted to know. I

43:37

don't know, bro. I don't know. I'm

43:39

going to cut this. We're going to cut this, but I

43:41

don't know. Once again, thanks

43:43

for pulling up. Thanks for giving us your time.

43:45

Yes, sir. Energy. And then, you know, once again,

43:47

all the great stuff you got coming forward. I do. Shout

43:50

out to Thanos, man. He may have got every stone. It's

43:53

all fake, baby. It's all fake.

43:56

It's fake, man. It's fake. It's

43:59

an era of the year. No, I told you we're

44:01

fine. My granddad did. Turn

44:03

the music on! Everybody's fine,

44:05

man! That's a party. Let's celebrate.