Can the fear of being unproductive be linked to our misunderstandings of what it means to pray or be contemplative? In this episode, we honor our own practices of contemplation and the challenges we face to give ourselves the permission to “waste time”.  Plus, we talk with Michael Hebbeler from the Center for Social Concerns at the University of Notre Dame about his class on social change and why, for one of his classes, he makes students go birdwatching with him.

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