This episode was recorded when Ron Steslow was host of The Lincoln Project Podcast (www.lincolnproject.us). He is no longer affiliated with the organization. This feed is now the home of Politicology. Host and co-founder Ron Steslow talks to former CIA and NSA Director General Michael Hayden and John Sipher, a former member of the CIA’s Senior Intelligence Service and co-founder of Spycraft Entertainment, about why national security experts are speaking out against Donald Trump, what the president’s ties to Russia mean for America’s security, why they’re concerned about the use of militarized force in domestic policing, and how voters should think about security risks as they cast their ballots.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices