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Welcome back to Popcorn Book Club. It's

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still being November just a little

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bit. We are still talking V four Vendetta

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the graphic novel. We have made it to

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book three, the final part

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of the graphic novel by Alan Moore

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and illustrated by David Lloyd. Uh.

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The most dramatic, and I will say, at

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some moments insane. Uh.

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And also I also think we're it

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departs the most from the movie,

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which will describe next week. Uh.

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So Book three, which

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is called The Land of Do As You Please, Uh,

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begins with the symphony

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of the blowing up Jordan's Tower, which

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uh, I think that we'll

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get into the timeline of

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the movie, which I think is a little cleaner.

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But yeah, I really liked it. I

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really like the timeline of the movie.

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But in this we also have this on

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November. He blows up jordan Tower on

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November five, and then November six,

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sort of the Land of Do as You Please

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anarchy stuff sort of begins.

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So well, it wasn't anarchy, it

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was chaos, chaos which he

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hopes will become anarchy.

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But I thought it was really important that they made that

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distinction because I think a lot of people don't fully

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understand what anarchy is as a philosophy,

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as opposed to just like colloquial usage

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of the word anarchy anarchy were like, no

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one's in charge, it's anarchy,

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and that's not the same thing. Yes,

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I don't know. Just do you have a good understanding

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of what anarchy is, because I'm not actually

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sure I know what it looks like in practice. I

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don't think I know what it looks like in practice, and

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I think I did not have a very good understanding

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of it prior to reading this book,

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because my idea of anarchy

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came from like a meme that I saw on my

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Space, like two thousand five. It

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was like, anarchy is bad because it's people running

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around, and you know what happens when everybody is running around

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scraped knee. I was like,

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Oh, that sounds terrible. I just

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think about the purge like it's like, oh, it's

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one day of anarchy, no rules,

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and this is a bunch of murder, murder.

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Daddy's everywhere, murder,

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daddy's murder, mommy's murder,

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murder uncle. I

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will say, by the by the end of this

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book, things do not appear to be getting

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better unless we all

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felt the Catharsis, and I guess ellen

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Bore wanted us to feel by watching a

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wealthy woman get raped by

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a group of homelessman A very

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weird ending to a book, but

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okay, I guess that is what ellen

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Moore wanted to end on. I think Alan

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Moore is very bad on women, and I want

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to talk about that a little later and the full

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thing. But I also want to say one

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thing that I think is um starkly

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different from both the film and sort of how

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the character of the has been portrayed.

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He's not like a great guy, He's

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not like the hero. He's like he

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has no charm about him whatsoever. Like

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for me in the book, he's like stop

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what the monologues dude? And you

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note but deeply weird

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in a good way. There's a lot of

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guy in your m f A under coming from

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ving. There's this point

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at which Evie was like, can you just say

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what you mean? And I would like, thank

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you, thank you for actually saying

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that, But like, I think this is a really

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good point where I've been seeing

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a lot of stuff like on TikTok because I'm super

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cool and young, and on TikTok about

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how um media literacy

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means that you don't necessarily just

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because somebody is the main character, have to identify

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with them, And just because somebody's the main

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character does not mean that they are correct.

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And I think that V

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as a flawed person. I think we can all

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agree that VA is a deeply flawed

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person and he's not always

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correct, And this monologueing at

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ev and not answering any questions

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directly is just frankly

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infuriating. He

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also guess letter in the most horrifying

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way I can imagine anybody being gas.

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I mean, he plays games with her in ways

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that I think the movie tries to

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make justifiable, and like in the

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grand scheme of things, I would argue that like symbolically

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they succeed. In the book,

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he comes off as much less charming,

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much more insane, with a far less

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like consistent ideology.

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And I think that Evie becomes

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spoiler like becoming V at the end makes

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more sense if V is like a deeply

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imperfect symbol and unlikable

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character, right. And it also

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has to do with the idea that anarchy has two

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sides, destruction and creation,

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and he was destruction and she was creation,

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and next week always talked about the movie. I

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have more things I don't want to say about that.

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So the thing that I wanted to focus

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on first about three is a

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character that's not in the movie, Rosemary,

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who goes through a journey

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a brief recap. Rosemary

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is in an abusive marriage with

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that of the ear who listens

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into all the phone tapping. He dies,

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and then she starts sleeping with

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Roger Dascombe, who's the head of the

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visual Jordan Tower at the mouth thank you.

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Uh. He also dies. People think

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she's deeply cursed because the last two dudes

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she slept with died. She

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is miserable at the Sad Cabaret. Uh.

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She is forced to work as a

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a burlesque

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dancer, a dancer

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non consensually in the sense that she does not

5:46

want to do and she's doing it only for money that she

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desperately needs. Uh. And then

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she's driven to murdering

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to going full taxi driver and murdering

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Adam Susan in the street in what

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this chore and in

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a way that then talking about taxi driving

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in a way that v then seems

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to argue that he orchestrated the whole thing.

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Because she is the last rose he cultivated.

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What did you guys make of this subplot? I

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mean, she's what

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a sad, sad character

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to like to have that be her

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kind of whole arc of like,

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you know, being subjugated

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to like the intense violent patriarchy

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of this particular society, having

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her husband killed,

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but being sad about that loss, to

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to like sit with that loss of this person

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who was like deeply abusive

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to her as well, and then

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to like go

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and just straight I mean just straight up,

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point blank shoot that man. And

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the worst the worst part for me is she

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doesn't even have any like um

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agency in this because then they frame

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it as the fact that she was all just part of

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v scheme that he puppet mastered, this

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miserable woman, and they also felt

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like not just no agency,

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but like her character just really doesn't

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have any It doesn't have any

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like full three dimensional

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like depth or I

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don't know who she is outside of the horrible

7:24

men that she has been

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with, or like the horrible man she

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kills at the end, like it like EVI,

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at least you understand who she is

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and and she like you.

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You kind of have this three sixty view

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of her, but Rosemary just feels like

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this sad abuse lady who

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then is up I guess upon and VI's

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whole chess game. But I

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don't quite understand how he did that. I

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don't get that either. Yeah,

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neither. It didn't make any sense, like there

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were there were plot holes you could drive a mac

7:58

dress true, especially bensidering,

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like I get that then, or that

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the chaos is a part of these plan,

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Like that makes sense, But then you can't say, yes,

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I plan for chaos, but then within

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this chaos, I plan for this woman to

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specifically go up to the

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leader of the country and shoot

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him point blank, you know, and it's gonna

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work perfectly. They're

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gonna they're gonna let her through. We're planning

8:24

that creedy. We know that Creedy sort of

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wants to sabotage Adam, and

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so he'll sabotage him by putting

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him out in public when maybe a lady

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could assassinate him. Like all

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of these pieces are do not fit together.

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Either the plan is chaos or the plan is a

8:40

plan, Like you can't have it both ways. Yes,

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it's very joker, we're jokers. Things

8:45

were all very thought through in Dark Knight dark

8:47

Knight. Oh yeah, you get

8:49

to plant a lot of bombs in advance of his

8:52

cattle work. Yeah.

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Yeah, it was almost it's too neat, like

8:57

the level of chaos that he's trying to

8:59

invoke, and then for that to be Like as

9:02

she was walking through the crowd, I was like, even

9:05

that's a little too far fetched just to let one

9:07

lady walk through the crowd in this public moment.

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I'm like, this is a little like

9:13

her, Like, get

9:16

her out of the way, keep away from the man. They'll

9:18

die if they get too you know, I'm thinking of

9:20

myself if I was in that society, and I would fully

9:23

be like stay away from her, Like I would be

9:25

one of the people pushing that Laura

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about her as well. She's

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she's car don't go and don't sleep

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with her. And then there's the other wife

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of a top party member who

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is deeply fascinating and Jennifer, I know, I'm

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getting obsessed with Helen Hair. She's

9:44

not a good person, but I

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am extremely interested. Like

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she's bad but also she's kind of

9:50

bad. Yeah, she's

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bad in a fun way, and we meet her really

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in in book three, Jennifer, will you

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describe her for maybe people who have a read

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it. So Helen Hair is

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just enthusiastically sexually

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dominating every man who comes into

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her proximity. Um, I

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think the first time we see her, the first time we

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see her, she's selling at her husband like always.

10:15

The next time we see her, her husband just like

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kneeling before her um

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and towlding her off as she everges

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from the bath, and then he tries to

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go down on him and she like kicks him away. So

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um, it's it's very interesting

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that in this society every man

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and she goes on to half an affair with what's

10:35

his name, Ali Ali Creedy creating

10:41

the same as Ali. No. Creedy is

10:44

the head of the Finger who's the evil policeman

10:46

and Ali Ali and Creedy um

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have an alliance. Creedy sort of wants that

10:51

you said Ali Creedy, and I was like, I'm so confused.

10:53

Now, both

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Creedy and Hair and want a

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need to use Allie's gang

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powers and then to get the chaos

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power. So

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Helen Hair wants to be a vita

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um and you know what, it almost

11:13

works out for her. She's having an affair

11:15

with Ali so she can use his brute

11:17

force to help elevate her husband

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to the position of High Chancellor, and

11:23

uh they end up killing each other in

11:25

a lover's quarrel. Oh for Helen, Uh

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so it doesn't happen, and she is

11:31

pretty mad at her husband for fucking things

11:34

out that way. I

11:36

love the negotiation of price that she

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has with Ali for his services, where

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she's like, well, how much are you getting paid by

11:43

Creedy right now? And he was like, oh,

11:45

like five hundred a week when it's four hundred

11:47

a week, And then she's like, wow, I really would have thought he

11:49

wouldn't pay you more than four hundred hundred.

11:52

Yeah, where where are you coming

11:54

at this? Cos

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I want to Lady Lady Macbeth and

12:01

her regional theater production. Definitely

12:04

I got very lady m vibes

12:07

from her, because like, how did she get her power

12:09

in this society of just being she's the

12:11

only one, the only one. She's really interesting

12:14

as a woman in the society. She's

12:16

obviously a terrible person, but

12:19

it just feels so unlikely that any woman

12:21

would have this capacity to dominate

12:23

people, have you, especially the ear Yeah,

12:28

And and then of course he becomes the v

12:32

uses like the voyeuristic thing

12:34

of the cameras to uh

12:37

to cause the chaos smart doubt

12:39

smarter in his perfect like puppet

12:41

master way, which seems like a sort

12:43

of like a line from like a Bob Dylan

12:46

or like a folk song like Oh and the Voyeurs

12:48

on the CCTV. It's

12:50

like that the classic idea that like I

12:53

will be like he uses their their tools

12:56

of mass surveillance against them and we're

12:58

all pervert seeing it. Bob Dylan.

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Now, Um,

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what I was gonna say was her level

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of power as a woman in this society

13:08

where women are just like massively

13:10

disempowered kind of reminds me of Serena

13:12

Joy in uh, The Handmaid

13:15

Sale, but like the adaptation

13:18

of The Handmaid Sale, not the book The

13:20

Handmaids Tale, because I feel like Serena Joy has

13:22

a lot more power in the screen adaptation

13:25

versus the book, but she's still thing about

13:27

Serena Joy. She at least has to have the effect

13:30

of being like a dutiful wife that

13:33

she feels honored to have this home. In this

13:35

husband to follow, Helven Hair so

13:37

clearly doesn't think have that pretense

13:39

at all, Like the first time he's see

13:41

her, she's being really shitty to her husband,

13:44

and Roseberry is like, she's kind of a mean lady,

13:46

and Roseberry's husband says, fucky,

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he is awesome, and we all like

13:51

her. Her

13:54

level of like sexual manipulation

13:57

isn't even understated. It is so outrageously

14:02

in it's just crank. Yeah, it's

14:04

crank to eleven. There's no there's no

14:06

pussy footing around about it.

14:08

It's just like I didn't even need to

14:10

say that. I'm

14:13

embarrassed. Sometimes.

14:15

Also, these comic book women are drawn

14:17

in a way where I'm like, David Lloyd,

14:20

you had a day drawing those boobs, didn't

14:22

you? Oh my god, just

14:26

massive watermelons, just enormous

14:28

boobs. Oh yeah, when she's

14:30

like, look what you're missing. Had

14:33

a day drawing the like cabaret ladies with

14:35

their asses, like out to the stages.

14:39

Eighties comic book artists loved

14:41

drawing at boobs and butts. It's

14:44

their favorite thing. Dana and I wrote

14:46

for she Hulk, and so we spent a lot

14:48

of time with those she Whole comics, and my

14:51

god, they are so horny

14:53

for she Hulk, Like it's just like the

14:56

way their boobs with like like

14:58

grip two sure in a way

15:00

that was like, oh, there gripped like under the boob

15:03

and to the side of the boob, and

15:05

it's just like a blouse in a way. I look like,

15:07

that's not how That's not how gravity works.

15:10

The clothes are like painted painted

15:13

on, but only for part of it. And then there's like

15:15

a little bit of a blouse for you know, demure

15:18

for because if

15:20

we don't do that, I

15:23

was saying, if we if we didn't see the line

15:25

of the boob, how would we know she has boobed

15:28

adjacent

15:31

to that too? Just to touch on like how this

15:34

particular you know illustrator

15:36

is uh portraying

15:38

women every time e V screams, I'm

15:40

like, this is a grotesque

15:43

portrayal of this woman's face

15:45

that like towards the end, I was like, this is this

15:48

is a different person I

15:51

had that not like she is

15:53

I think like fifteen different women

15:55

in this book. At the beginning,

15:57

she's like a little scared Lolita

16:01

esque drawing, and

16:03

then she becomes

16:06

a like a like

16:08

a when she's with that nice

16:11

guy you know, lives

16:13

with him. She's like a like

16:15

a seventies sitcom lady. And

16:18

then she turns and she goes

16:20

and is tortured, and she looks like a

16:22

hundred and five years old in

16:28

this chapter, like I had it open to

16:30

this page. She looks

16:32

like like a like sort

16:34

of like Jennifer Gray. She

16:37

looks kind of like an X man. She

16:42

looks like she looks like a gargoyle

16:44

off the side of a building. That also is like

16:46

the gutter that's brays water. But then yes,

16:49

this what's that? That's like? This

16:53

is all very great for any

16:56

Chloris leech Man. I'm

17:04

gonna be back real quick. I'm just gonna write

17:06

a manifesto, be back into gym. I

17:21

did want to make one more point about Helen Hair

17:24

before we move on to women. No,

17:28

this is essential. Have any of you read

17:31

or seen the film The Wife. Yeah,

17:35

it's it's a different dynamic.

17:37

It's not like a sexually dominant dynamic. But the

17:40

titch I'm gonna spoil the Wife, but it's not

17:42

a spoiler. You know it the whole thing and it's just whatever

17:44

the titular wife. And the Wife is

17:47

a wonderful writer, but it's like in

17:49

America, and she knows that her books will never

17:52

get the attention or acclaim that they'll

17:54

get under her name as they would under her husband's

17:57

name. So she like makes the decision

18:00

out, like you're gonna publish my books

18:02

and we're going to have this partnership and we're both

18:04

in on it and this is our relationship. Um,

18:07

And that a little bit feels

18:09

like a muted version of the Helen Hair thing

18:11

of like I can't

18:13

be the face of the who's in charge, so

18:15

I am going to use you, my husband,

18:17

as the man puppet for me to get

18:20

my agenda across. I

18:22

feel like though I don't

18:24

think her husband was as in on

18:26

it, and I don't think it was I feel like it was

18:28

like a Rebecca type deal where she got

18:31

married to him and she was like, great, we're not going

18:33

to have sex. I'm gonna like withhold sex from

18:35

you, and you're gonna be in

18:37

charge of the ear and I'm

18:40

going to make sure or was he the ear or the

18:42

mouth? He he was the No,

18:44

he was the eye because he had the cameras right, Oh

18:47

yeah, he liked watch the propagateda the visual

18:49

thing before you're without the seeing.

18:53

But so she's like, you're gonna be in charge

18:55

of the eye because I say

18:57

so, and that's how I'm

18:59

going to get to the top like it was hardcore

19:01

lady m energy. You don't think that it's

19:03

a consensual b D s M relationship.

19:07

I think it's pretty into it. Um

19:09

like makes it clear at the very end that

19:11

she's going to have sex with them because she's going to be in a

19:13

good mood. I do. I

19:15

don't think it's kind of likes it. Yeah, I

19:17

don't think it. I

19:21

think he gets off on it. I think he likes for

19:23

sure. I know.

19:26

I don't. I don't get that sense, just because of that

19:28

scene where she's with Ali, she's

19:31

like the cameras are off because they had that

19:33

sort of blackout of surveillance, and then

19:36

she's got her like eighties tich

19:38

and she's and she's like pointing

19:40

him at the camera, which she thinks isn't recording

19:42

anything, and she's like, hey, look what you're

19:44

missing. And then later he

19:47

flies into like furious

19:49

rage and that's why he ends up killing Oh,

19:52

you're right. I think he's

19:54

curious because his wife's sleeping with another.

19:56

Yeah, that's what I that's what I gathered

19:59

from that change. I mean, I think it's both.

20:01

I gathered that he's sorry when

20:03

she was in the top like he was townling her off.

20:05

He clearly sees her tits on a regular basis,

20:08

right, but I don't think he gets to touch them on a regular

20:11

I mean

20:14

I was reading it, I was like, what a cook?

20:17

Indeed he quite literally, yeah he really

20:20

is. So

20:23

that's where what did you think of the ending?

20:27

We got to go back to part

20:30

of the north. I

20:35

guess, well, that's not good sleep.

20:39

But well it's sad

20:41

that he said with his wife and she's sleeping

20:43

with another, but they're all bad. Yeah,

20:47

yeah, he'sac to say. I got a lot of ship for saying

20:49

that the cabaret seemed like a place I would want to hang

20:51

out. I think we should give Jen just a little

20:53

bit more ship for feeling bad. Both

20:56

equal and fascist

20:58

sympathize. That's instant

21:02

of his life. Seems okay,

21:04

But Colin Hair deeply sucks. Yes,

21:08

yeah, um okay, so with

21:10

Helen Hair, I don't believe that rapists

21:12

an appropriate punishment for everyone and

21:15

for anyone and for everyone

21:20

for anyone. Um. I really don't

21:22

care for that end. And

21:24

it also was just such a weird tag,

21:27

Like what a choice to end on that,

21:30

Like it's hard enough the

21:32

choice in it of itself is like, oh, she's

21:34

going to be raped, that's her punishment is rough.

21:37

But it's like and also, that's going to be the ending

21:39

of V for Vandetta. It's like we can

21:42

all feel happy about Helen Hair getting

21:44

raped as opposed to

21:46

like I was like, wait, I turned the page,

21:48

being like, that's not that can't be the

21:51

end of it though, that's

21:53

the tone he wants to end on, that the sexually

21:56

manipulative woman is going to

21:58

be in a forced Island sexual

22:01

submission. That I think in my mind

22:03

I had transposed the two parts

22:05

of the ending, and after I read

22:08

it, I immediately was like, oh, she had

22:10

the bad thing happened. But then we had Evie

22:12

bringing that guy into the shadow

22:15

gallery and like she's going to be the next vat

22:18

that is the end of In

22:22

my brain I made that the end. I was like this,

22:24

well that would be better. That's that's a way

22:26

better ending because it's almost like a little

22:29

optimistic and hope for the future.

22:32

And then it's like, wait, one more page, we forgot

22:34

to rape. Believe. Look, I also

22:36

just don't believe that Helen Hair is

22:39

going to be kept down for long, Like

22:41

that woman seems remarkably indomitable.

22:45

I am saying metaphorically right, not

22:49

no, she's She's obviously going to be raped

22:52

terrifically, and Alamor

22:54

seems psyched about that, and it's a note he wanted

22:56

to end on. But look,

23:01

I'm not saying I want a sequel. That's just Helen

23:03

Hair once again taking over society

23:06

in a ruthless way. But if it existed,

23:08

I would read it. You know what, Jennifer,

23:11

there are more than enough stories about

23:13

like awful men rising through

23:15

the ranks of power and how and why they do it.

23:18

It would be interesting to see one about it Helen

23:23

Hair's rest to power like Wicked.

23:27

Sure, yeah, let's actually, you know

23:29

what, I wanted to be a musical just

23:35

like Vida. I wanted Madnna to play Helen Higher.

23:38

I literally meant the book Wicked, though, I just want

23:41

to make that very clear. I

23:44

also think that this sort of goes into like

23:46

why Alan Moore is bad at women one

23:49

because he sees them all as sexual objects

23:51

and like all of their problems

23:54

are like sex based. Like there's Helen

23:56

Hair, who again is just like a cardboard

23:58

cutout of a dominatrix, then gets what

24:00

she deserves in his opinion, not in

24:02

my opinion, um Evie

24:05

with her like weird daddy issues that he goes

24:07

way too much into. And then Rosemary,

24:10

who again it's like her relationships

24:13

with men put her in this very like sexually

24:16

vulnerable position, and then she

24:19

is not even a person who makes decisions. She's

24:21

just a pawn in the plan, like every

24:24

woman has some deeply weird sexual thing

24:26

with her. Oh

24:29

she's cool, yeah, yeah,

24:34

yes, yes, VAL's

24:36

on that chapter is like genuinely so

24:39

sweet and nuanced, and yet

24:41

we don't get that with anyone else. It

24:43

is. The unfortunate thing is that it's the same

24:46

issue of like queer people always

24:49

dying in literature. Yes,

24:52

and Delia also now has to be in a

24:55

relationship with Finch, which she

24:58

didn't have to. Yeah that's oh yeah,

25:00

that was weird that they threw that in there. They're just

25:03

like and we're sleeping together, by the way,

25:05

Well, I think it's interesting that to

25:08

your point, Dana, I think the

25:11

one thing that is I think an

25:14

interesting challenge about these kind of like authoritarian

25:17

dystop dystopias is that they're

25:19

usually like patriarchies, and

25:22

so these women are so reliant

25:25

on men for survival that

25:27

like, even when Evie is kicked out,

25:29

she does have to like go find shelter with

25:31

this man. And I

25:34

think that's why Handmaid's Tale is so

25:36

interesting. I mean I've not read it, I've only

25:38

seen the adaptation, but you

25:41

know in a Woman's Hands that

25:44

this that that you can find like

25:47

stories that are separate from men. But

25:50

I think that is a challenge

25:52

to do in like a patriarchal, authoritarian

25:55

regime that you're setting your story. And I

25:58

guess I have less of an issue with like

26:00

e with Evie being like reliant

26:02

on men, and more of an issue that like I

26:05

don't know, the daddy issue stuff and the

26:08

issues I just was

26:11

trying to see, Like,

26:13

I think it is a challenge, and then if you don't

26:15

have that perspective, you're going

26:17

to just kind of fall back on tropes

26:20

and I And I also think in Alan Moore's

26:22

defense, I think so much of the for Vendetta

26:25

is meant to be like making

26:27

a larger political point, so

26:29

like characters fall by the wayside

26:32

because he's trying to make

26:35

his argument in a in a in a way

26:37

that comes across. Yeah, it's

26:39

a manifesto as much as it is a piece of

26:41

art. I think the tiny

26:43

glimmer of like him potentially

26:46

being more thoughtful about it is that like the

26:48

one little girl in the

26:51

book with the glasses is the one

26:53

that like one of the first

26:55

outside characters that like takes

26:57

up you know, graffiti

27:00

v um onto the

27:02

street, which to me is like you

27:04

know, in Lesser Hands would have gone to like a

27:07

little boy, you know, like and

27:09

I think that is like an interesting an interesting

27:12

choice in a small detail that I

27:14

loved and loved seeing we'll

27:17

talk about it later, but loved seeing in the movie

27:19

as well, like that tiny little moment. Yeah,

27:22

some of the stuff in the movie we

27:25

were talking about it a little off off

27:28

Mike that we'll talk to in our movie

27:30

episode, but like little easter eggs

27:32

that are directly from the graphic

27:34

novel that I think make it more satisfying.

27:37

Mm hmmm. I

27:39

want to talk about faith. Oh

27:42

yeah, Karama bring us up

27:44

to speed with faith. So faith,

27:47

as we've talked about, and I think chapter not Chapter

27:49

two, but Book two was the

27:52

like supercomputer that tells Susan

27:54

what to do and he's like kind of creepy

27:57

in love with it, says I Love You near

27:59

the end of the book two, and

28:02

then in book Flree it's heavily implied

28:04

that he sleeps with the computer. Right.

28:08

It wasn't just me right, they have a sexual

28:10

it's an x mack in a situation. Yeah,

28:13

I mean I was like, he found a drive

28:16

and I just went to down like

28:18

that's the way I read it, m

28:22

bloppy drive. It

28:25

was the eighties they use floppy does excuse

28:27

you? So

28:31

yeah, Then you find out that v

28:34

has access to Fate in

28:36

his in the basement of his shadow

28:39

gallery home that has like eight levels

28:41

and an elevator. Apparently,

28:44

um, how is no again a

28:47

block hole that you could drive a mack truck through?

28:49

But again, manifesto more

28:51

than not more than art, but as much as it is

28:53

art. So yeah, I thought it was interesting

28:57

too. For

28:59

me was frustrating because if he had access

29:02

to this supercomputer and could then

29:05

give messages to the government directly,

29:09

Uh, it was just sort of like, why don't

29:11

you make things better for some of the

29:13

people while you're doing your scheme.

29:18

I really liked it because it's like, this is

29:20

the best episode of MTVS Catfish

29:22

I've ever seen life,

29:27

just like the like just thinking

29:29

about the spending all that time flirting

29:31

with uh, what's

29:34

his name, Adam Susan

29:36

through the computer. It's so

29:39

it's so fun to think about just like

29:42

him back at the in his eight story

29:44

elevator home, just like sending

29:47

sex through the fate computer

29:50

to Susan. It's it's great.

29:53

It's just very funny because what this was written in like the

29:56

eighties, right that

29:58

it is very like early Hackers,

30:02

that kind of style stuff where it's

30:04

like you can't really like these days. Of

30:07

course v is has hacked

30:09

into the supercomputer, like that

30:11

is the first thing a terror

30:13

or not a terror, you know what I mean? And what v would

30:15

do and uh, and

30:19

it just it's very funny. It's like it's so

30:21

simple that like, oh, I'm just gonna

30:23

like log into the supercomputer

30:26

and just and just talked

30:28

and that that's all I can do is just talk to him,

30:30

just like send messages on like a black and green

30:32

screen. Um. Yeah,

30:37

yeah, it's like ten years before the

30:39

movie Hackers. So

30:42

he was really looking far ahead, I think, and

30:45

I mean very he again a historical

30:48

catfish, and also very funny that

30:50

with this power he couldn't like disarmed

30:53

bombs or like do anything tangible

30:56

for his plan, forget like helping

30:58

people having Adam

31:01

Susan fall in love with him the via computer

31:03

like doesn't really affect his

31:05

plan other than like he doesn't really need

31:08

to do it again.

31:11

It's so he does these things for himself,

31:14

and that one feels that one

31:16

feels like a personal pet project that

31:19

he like dislikes this high Chancellor

31:21

so much that like the best revenge

31:23

is like, yeah, make him funk this computer. Yeah,

31:28

it does seem like it undermines

31:31

uh sus insanity the guys

31:33

of other people, Helen hair points

31:36

so that they shouldn't have him to a

31:38

parade to restore confidence because

31:40

he's insane. Yeah,

31:44

um, I think that, though he

31:46

does use it for concrete things at times,

31:48

like he uses it to send all

31:51

those the mail that male things

31:53

Oh yeah yeah, like

31:55

poems in the mail. I'm just like, I don't

31:57

know if he knows what he's doing.

32:00

Yeah, I wouldn't if

32:02

I got a poem in the mail, I

32:04

would think it was just a direct marketing stunt.

32:06

I wouldn't think it was a call to anarchy,

32:10

yeah, especially because it was not like

32:12

anarchist poetry. It was just

32:14

like flowers. It's

32:17

also weird you've seen a bird? Yes,

32:21

he has the foresight and like mental

32:23

acumen to like manipulate every

32:26

act of Rosemary's life

32:28

and and drive her to homicide.

32:31

And yet he doesn't

32:34

really know how to how to put that organization

32:36

skill into any other aspect of his plan.

32:39

Yeah, the best thing you can do is like a postcards campaign

32:41

like the

32:44

last election. That's

32:49

my point. He has an opportunity to

32:51

do so much good, and he sends people

32:53

weird cryptic poetry in the mail

32:55

and then makes the dude sleep with a computer.

32:58

Do you remember, like six

33:01

months ago when a bunch of people just got

33:03

seeds in the mail? Yes,

33:06

what is this like us

33:08

in this year? Hundreds

33:11

of people maybe thousands, I'm not sure, but a

33:13

lot of people got mysterious seeds

33:16

in the mail, and then the government

33:18

was like, please don't plant Oh

33:23

no, I'm curious. Did they ever find out who sent

33:25

them and what were they didn't want

33:27

to test the seeds? Some people

33:29

planted them before they That

33:33

feels this, It feels like how a little shop

33:35

of horrors gets started. Oh

33:37

that sounds fun though, like

33:39

just a little fun, like a little carnivorous

33:42

plan I was gonna say, in terms

33:44

of anarchy destruction, I would

33:46

argue that Tyler Dirtan does something much better

33:48

by destroying the records of credit card

33:50

debt. Yeah. Fight

33:53

Club, that's a love fight Club so much

33:55

I'm gonna make I'm gonna make a point

33:57

and I want both

34:00

for Vendetta and fight Club are

34:02

rare cases of the movies better than

34:04

the book. Yes, I

34:07

would say that I

34:13

read and seen Fighting book is Chuck

34:15

Palinak. Chuck Palinak was like the

34:18

movie has a much better ending the

34:21

book movie poster in way

34:23

too many dorm rooms that here's

34:25

the thing about fight Club, and then we can move away from

34:27

it. But um, fight Club is another

34:29

instance of you are not supposed to identify

34:32

with the main character. And it's also one

34:34

of those instances of people misreading

34:37

the point, like it's an indictment of toxic

34:39

masculinity, and people are like, you don't

34:41

want to fight and I want to make soap and I

34:43

want to have insomnia, and like that's

34:46

not the point. Their lives suck and you shouldn't

34:48

want to do what they do. It's

34:51

the sad cabaret, but with men and soap,

34:53

can I also say something deeply embarrassing

34:55

about be for Vendetta. I didn't.

34:58

I didn't realize that the circle

35:00

and the V was an upside down

35:02

anarchy symbol until like

35:05

a few days ago. I didn't realize

35:07

until you just told me that me

35:10

neither. I was driving

35:12

in l A and I saw an anarchy

35:14

symbol, and for a second, I was like, it's a V

35:17

for Vandetta thing. And then I was like, oh, Jennifer,

35:20

and I knew Jennifer, and I also knew

35:23

that all the chapters started with V. I'm just saying, you guys

35:25

have to pick up on these clues. Okay, Alan is

35:27

dropping them, and pick them up. We're

35:31

all going to print out all of these poems and

35:33

we're going to figure out the messages. So he's

35:35

getting to us. So if someone mailed you an anonymous

35:38

poem in the mail, you wouldn't the

35:41

government something They

35:45

did that a while ago for some comics.

35:48

UM, I don't know, some maker

35:51

of comic books, comic publishers.

35:54

Um, they sent this weird

35:57

random letter in

35:59

the mail to like various

36:02

comic people's houses and

36:05

Dana as you know, as somebody who

36:07

has written comic books. Comic fans

36:09

are insane, said death threats

36:12

on like a regular basis. Um.

36:14

So we found out that this was viral

36:16

marketing, fortunately very quickly, because

36:19

otherwise we were going to call the police. Um.

36:21

It was not reassuring to know that a crazy

36:24

person had air address. Yeah, Jack

36:27

Horsemen where they do the viral marketing for the

36:29

show that he's on, that has like it looks

36:31

like a ransom note like somebody

36:34

else what idea was exactly like that? It was

36:36

like cutout letters, centuary indication.

36:40

Yeah, I'm

36:43

going to be back in just a minute. I got a bunch

36:45

of poems in the mail. So

36:58

a brief full circle. Now back to be

37:00

for Vendetta of plans that don't really

37:02

make any any sense. Finch.

37:05

He was the detective on the case of trying

37:07

to find out. I know, I'm really bringing

37:09

this back. Finch, there's the detective for the Scotland

37:12

Yard. His plan, to understand

37:14

be to get inside the terrorist's mind is

37:17

to go to Larkhill and drop acid.

37:19

Oh my god, that

37:23

that scene because first of all, yes, dropping

37:25

acid at a concentration camp, weird

37:28

choice. I'm gonna go on the record and say don't

37:30

do don't don't

37:32

go to concentration camps and drop acid. I think

37:34

we can stand for that as a podcast.

37:37

But the second thing is when he was tripping because

37:39

like they killed all the black people in the society,

37:42

he has this like hallucination that they're black

37:44

people, and he's like, Oh, I forgot how cool your

37:46

skin? Like a

37:49

big yikes. It was a

37:51

huge yikes. I will

37:53

say, of all the things that we've read thus

37:55

far as a book club, it took the longest

37:58

to get to the weird racism in this one.

38:01

They really bury the lead in this one

38:05

because all this Costley was like boom,

38:07

page three saying some weird

38:09

stuff about negro egg. But this

38:11

one was a slow burn and I knew

38:13

that it was racist as a society because

38:16

they killed all the black people. But like that

38:18

was where I was like, oh, I rooted for you

38:20

before, and this was weird. You

38:22

didn't need to do that. He was he was. It's almost

38:25

it's like well meaning racism where

38:27

he thought he was really doing something. M

38:30

yeah. Well, he also makes

38:32

it clear that he was on the side of killing

38:34

all those people, like he misses them now. But

38:37

oh yeah, fish sucks. And

38:39

also Finch, I meant well meaning

38:42

racism on the part of Alan Moore, who

38:44

was, yeah, that that is what I read

38:46

what you said as he was like, yeah, I'm trying to make

38:48

a statement that he is like

38:50

weird and racist and like that's not you

38:53

didn't know he tried. But

38:56

then Finch, who else who sucks? He's

38:58

the one in the book who spoiler

39:00

alert, kills me and he's excited

39:02

about it. What did you guys

39:05

make of that? Yeah, he was like too

39:07

excited. I was kind of honestly

39:09

sad that Finch was the one that took me down,

39:12

like for for

39:14

everything that V stands for, and like, you

39:17

know, as far as adversaries goes, like

39:19

adversaries go, um,

39:22

Finch is sad and weird

39:25

and pathetic and like shouldn't

39:27

have been the one to take down this idea

39:30

of V. In my opinion, it's

39:32

just like you're telling me, he drops acid

39:34

and kills the main character, Like come on, And

39:39

he also felt like I like the

39:41

idea that he figures out where

39:43

he's where he is, like

39:46

the station and stuff, I think, but

39:49

the fact that he also he not only

39:52

he like bests him also physically

39:56

and mentally feels strange

39:59

and also I think like and then

40:01

we can talking about the all time of the movie next week.

40:03

But it's like he's

40:05

always catching up, but he's always late, right,

40:08

And that's what it feels like, is the proper

40:11

level of like he's smarter

40:13

than the rest of these idiots, spine, but he's

40:15

not as smart as B. And I

40:18

like the idea that the

40:21

is like, uh a

40:24

part, like a part of his plan is

40:26

his death and I get jumping to the

40:29

movie, but it feels like not

40:32

having v B a little bit more responsible

40:36

for his own death field. It also

40:38

felt very weird to me that the the arc

40:41

that they're asking us to go on with Finch is

40:43

that he goes to lark Hill and understand

40:45

he drops his ascid to understand

40:48

the and then his next immediate move is

40:50

to be like, ha I killed him, my god, Like he

40:53

didn't go through that ascid at the concentration

40:55

camp, did nothing, and then like pasted

40:58

a woman, push a woman back in getting

41:00

raped, and then it's like he's the final

41:03

frame of the story, which is very

41:05

strange to me with his

41:07

pipe with this pipe, like like

41:10

to go back to those last two pages

41:12

that are so terrible, Like I

41:15

couldn't understand Alan Moore's

41:18

reasoning of putting like chaos in

41:20

the last two pages of like oh

41:23

look this like best

41:25

laid plans or whatever, like it's still

41:27

going to be bad, but to

41:30

a specify it as rape for this one

41:32

character, and also ended

41:34

with like Finch walking down the road

41:37

being like, man, what a journey. I'm like he wasn't

41:39

He's not poor rot, Like it's not like

41:43

what are we doing here? He's

41:46

the grizzled hero. He dropped as ad a

41:48

concentration camp and murdered me and

41:50

now on he walks, you

41:54

know, Kelen hair backing being

41:59

I think you're right to of like asking

42:01

v to be more responsible or more careful,

42:03

like he literally has, you

42:06

know, taken um responsibility

42:09

for the very precise killing of

42:12

Adam Susan in the parade

42:15

with Helen higher like why would he let Finch

42:18

just like pop him one

42:20

in the subway? Like it doesn't make any

42:22

sense to me. I think he wants to

42:24

die. I think he's ready. I think he knows that

42:27

it's time that the mantle gets passed on to a new

42:29

person, and that person is going to be efy do

42:31

it in a cooler way totally

42:33

agreed. You organize all this, You're

42:36

he's so theatrical. He loves theatrics.

42:38

You're gonna die just by like a crazy guy with

42:40

by the clock shadows, shooting biking burial,

42:43

like he's going to be sent off. Even

42:45

monologue, he could go with a cooler

42:47

death. I mean, he got a little bit. He

42:50

said the thing about the ideas or

42:52

bulletproof. This is my

42:54

thesis and the whole riddle

42:57

of like take off my mask but don't see

42:59

my face, blah blah blah. But

43:03

how am I to

43:06

remember at that point, she's sixteen

43:09

years old. She's like, how do I see your face

43:11

if I take off that I'm not supposed

43:14

to, but I am okay uh. I

43:17

read that later. I read that late at night, and

43:19

the panels were like she we think

43:21

that she's taking off the mask. Each time

43:24

I was like, that was, oh wait a

43:26

minute. Also like

43:28

today, I did not like that

43:31

the panels. I know it's

43:33

not real, but that the panels showed a face

43:35

at all, Like I thought that was a

43:38

weird choice to me because I thought the

43:40

whole point is you

43:42

never see his face, and it's like, so now we're seeing

43:45

the imagined face that Ev. It

43:47

just felt like it takes away a

43:49

little bit of me. It's

43:53

like seeing a dame named Rebecca. You

43:56

think, then you don't bringing

43:59

it back the circle. Yeah,

44:02

So I will say I was unsatisfied

44:06

by the ending. It just didn't hit

44:09

emotionally for me. When I think that the

44:11

world is so theatrical and I wanted a

44:13

big emotional hit. It

44:16

felt very Yeah, it felt very lackluster.

44:18

At the end book three, I found myself

44:21

very angry and very confused

44:23

for a lot of time, especially

44:26

because like there's I don't think we should

44:28

see everything, like I don't think it needs to

44:30

be like every single thing they do needs

44:32

to be in panels. But also like

44:35

there's this point where V quotes

44:37

some dude Alistair somebody I can't

44:39

remember the yeah,

44:42

yea, thank you um, But like remember

44:46

before Eve doesn't know much

44:48

about things, and then she's like, don't you quote

44:50

Alistair Crowley. I mean, I'm like, wait, when did

44:52

she become like she has a lot of

44:55

books educational but

44:59

we don't see that. But it

45:01

felt and then they mentioned it on the next page.

45:03

I was like, Okay, I'm caught up, but it felt very

45:06

weird. At first, because that wasn't who this character

45:09

was. Yeah, but they did show her, okay,

45:12

so there was a specific like they

45:14

did show her working out and

45:17

like getting ripped because

45:19

at the end I was like, how did she pick up the and

45:21

put him onto this like Viking

45:24

burial? And I was like, because she worked out,

45:26

so Karma, I see, I see your point.

45:29

I see your point. We should have seen some reading from

45:31

her, yeah,

45:35

just a little montage of her like reading,

45:38

I like doing co ups, you know, yeah,

45:41

I think, yeah,

45:44

that's good. The panel that was helen

45:47

hair getting riped could have been EVI reading

45:49

a book. Just push everything

45:51

back one panel. Sure. I

45:54

tried to think about what it ended would

45:56

be like that I would have liked more, and

45:59

I had a very difficult time coming up

46:01

without nothing though. I think the idea that

46:03

e VI becomes fee is really nice.

46:06

I don't know if I wanted

46:08

Helen to meet up with Finch and

46:10

him to be like, that's a great plan, Helen,

46:13

You're right, let's take over the world. Were the

46:15

villains now to

46:18

protect the world from devastation? Yeah,

46:23

I do it is I think satisfying

46:25

that she puts on the mask. That felt inevitable,

46:28

but it didn't have like comics can

46:30

have a big emotional impact, you know, like

46:32

a full splash page or like, I don't

46:34

know something about it didn't feel like

46:37

it's almost like I think some artists

46:40

and writers think that, like, sometimes

46:43

things are cliche so they don't

46:45

do them, But sometimes things are cliche

46:47

because they work, and it's like, well,

46:49

don't take those tools out of your toolbox

46:52

because they work. So I kind

46:54

of think that maybe Allan Moore was consciously

46:57

like, I'm not going to give you like the big,

46:59

clean, thartic third act reveal

47:01

that you want when it's like, well, yeah, maybe

47:03

that's like a classic structure, but it's classic

47:06

because it it's sort

47:08

of proven and audience is like that right,

47:11

and you're gonna screw something into a wall, you're

47:13

probably going to need to use like a Phillips had

47:15

screwdriver. Sorry, that's just what you want

47:17

to get that job done, and if

47:20

you want to satisfying ending, there are some tools that

47:22

you will need to rely on. Okay, very butch

47:25

metaphor love it, love it. But

47:28

maybe maybe as as you've said before

47:30

that this is like manifesto art, like

47:33

maybe he wanted it to be unsatisfying, because

47:37

you know, revolution anarchy

47:39

and trying to overthrow some sort of fascist

47:42

government isn't like a one

47:45

and done catharsis ending, And

47:47

it's like a kind

47:49

of how we feel which is this like in

47:52

overthrowing the government isn't like a c W

47:54

what are you talking about? But

47:58

I mean, you know, maybe that's what he was trying

48:00

to go for. It's like all of this chaos

48:02

has happened, and like some

48:05

people will move forward and walk off

48:07

into the distance like Finch and not turn

48:09

back. But like, no one's going to get a satisfying ending

48:11

from this. But I guess my

48:15

I totally agree with you that I think that that's

48:17

what Alan Moore is going with. But I think that

48:19

some things are so neat, like like

48:22

V being like uh my last rose

48:24

that I cultivated with Rosemary,

48:27

and then some things are so messy where I'm like

48:29

one or the other. I think that the idea

48:32

that V has been formulating this plan for

48:34

twenty years and it is like a perfectly

48:37

orchestrated plan like that is very satisfying

48:40

to me, and so I wish that like carried

48:42

through to the structure of the end of the book,

48:45

and I think to me, that didn't like I agree.

48:48

I think that's what Allan Moore was trying

48:50

to do with the ending, And

48:53

I feel like it didn't land for me

48:55

because they personalized it with this

48:57

character of Helen Higher, which feels like still

49:01

these plans are working that because

49:03

she's a part of the system and Finch,

49:06

you know, bested v and he's walking

49:08

off. Like if it were I

49:11

think it would be more anonymous,

49:13

like seeing the chaos and seeing the you

49:16

know, people being killed or raped

49:18

or assaulted like as

49:21

and it's like, oh and the system and it like continues

49:23

to be good and bad or happening

49:25

at the same time. But when you

49:28

personalize it with this woman that

49:30

like she's getting hers you know, it

49:32

just feels like, oh and you know, you

49:35

don't see that much good happening. Would Would

49:37

it be nicer if some people

49:39

were growing a community guarding Yes,

49:42

I love that because

49:44

like that's the thing you can do with your neighbors. It

49:46

doesn't require organized leadership.

49:49

Um, like you could help your neighbors

49:52

and that would be nice and that would show us that like,

49:54

while we may not be returning to the

49:56

fascist system of government they had before, there

49:59

can still be communal projects that people working

50:01

together. And I think you should write a Purge that's

50:03

just about community. I

50:06

said that, I said, if you were

50:08

the Purge, thought like, that's the dystopia.

50:11

I would want to live in no rules?

50:13

What are you going to plan one day? One

50:15

day you're doing crazy

50:18

good like it's

50:20

a great day, canceled student loans? Yeah,

50:23

what would instead of the Purge? What would you call

50:26

it? Then? Well,

50:28

I mean it's still the Purge, like you could rules

50:30

just right? But

50:37

are you copyrighting it and making it does right?

50:40

W No? No, I no,

50:43

I'm giving it to the people. I'm giving it to the

50:45

people who've got to grow a command And now

50:47

I imagine with w r U L

50:49

Yes, no rules, no rule right,

50:52

just right. It's also weird. But

50:54

if this is Alan Moore's manifesto,

50:56

he doesn't leave. He doesn't

50:58

make the end feel like outful or exciting,

51:01

like you want to join. Uh

51:03

these I'm like this looks

51:05

bad. It seems scary and bad, and

51:07

it seems sort of like the

51:10

people who have the avatars on

51:13

bad internet forums. I'm like, oh,

51:15

I start to get it now. Maybe

51:18

it's so scary and bad to you all

51:20

because you're stuck in the happiness

51:22

prison. Happiness

51:27

is a per prison get

51:30

out. But he did

51:33

nothing but treat

51:35

himself like a nineteenth

51:37

century super wealthy aristocrat.

51:40

He's surrounded by books and priceless

51:42

oil paintings. Um, he's

51:44

always eating like fine foods.

51:47

He's lording his superior already

51:50

for women who live in his house, um,

51:53

and then being contemptuous of him. I'm

51:55

sorry. V to me does not read

51:58

as like a forward thinking individual, and

52:00

he reads as the most entitled

52:02

rich man knife And he's not a proletariat.

52:04

He's not like out working in the fields, like

52:07

the means of production. He is, yeah,

52:10

listening to his jukebox and again reading

52:13

Shakespeare. He's

52:15

not going to share any of those paintings with

52:17

people. Those are kings. And now there she

52:19

got jan Herod his house. This supports

52:22

my belief that V is

52:24

gay and that he's not like

52:27

a political dissent person that they

52:29

threw in the camps. He's not. I don't think

52:31

he's a person of color, like just

52:34

in terms of the people that they were trying to exterminate

52:36

in that camp and that they were experimenting on the

52:39

Only thing is like assists like

52:42

white gay dude. That makes sense to

52:44

me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think

52:46

so. I think that's also a good transition

52:49

for next week because I think the V that

52:51

we see in the movie is

52:55

I think he reads very gay to me, and

52:57

I think he's very theatrical, and

52:59

I like the way that character comes across

53:02

from comes across. I

53:04

mean, I get spoiler alert that they

53:06

try to make him fall in love with e

53:09

V. I don't buy it. I don't buy

53:11

it. Are

53:13

there any final notes on on the

53:16

book that you guys want to make before we close

53:18

out? I

53:21

think I'll say I think we've been like ripping apart

53:23

the third book, but rightfully,

53:26

but I really loved

53:28

reading this book, and I think, you

53:30

know, it is so

53:33

compelling and is someone This is my first

53:35

graphic novel I've ever read, and I think

53:38

it is It brings you into a world

53:41

so quickly and that feels so razor

53:45

sharp and obviously much

53:47

to Allen Moore's uh chagrin,

53:50

extremely universal and extremely timeless

53:53

and could be about any any current

53:57

uh cool closing

53:59

and fascist society that I

54:02

M really enjoyed it really

54:05

well, said, yeah, very

54:07

well said. I don't know if I can top that. So

54:09

I'm gonna say something stupid, but

54:12

I think that more books should have weird

54:14

dudes that want to sleep with a computer that's

54:17

in love with more

54:19

ink. Yeah, you know, women

54:22

sleeping with tech. I'm just gonna say

54:24

that out yeah, yeah,

54:27

okay, making an opportunity. Yeah,

54:31

I feel like it would work better that way. Okay,

54:34

cool, I guess we'll write that. Well.

54:36

On that note, I think they have to end this year.

54:40

Thanks for listening. We'll catch you next week when

54:42

we talk about Before Vendetta the

54:44

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