Pastor Perkins and Pastor Watts discuss the removal of the Mississippi state flag and statues as well as renaming schools. Pastor Perkins asks “How do we get from where we are today to where we need to go?” and Pastor Watts argues for the creation of economic justice and equity funds.

They discuss the church's responsibility for the poor; the difference between giving money to poor people and addressing systemic poverty; and the need for voting plus action.

The Pastors ask whether the Church in America is still an essential institution and discuss the need for courage in exercising the prophetic responsibility of the Church.

Ms. Sandra Chappelle joins them toward the end with a reminder of where real change comes from.

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