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if i stutter or wherever you get your

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hi there i'm the full auto one of

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the prettiest

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the power to alongside schilling

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lot of a similar to be a that and

2:08

i'm here today and conversation with mary hamilton

2:10

the writer of the series if you listened

2:12

already you'll know that started the is about

2:14

chain a hilarious self destructive

2:17

woman who developed the ability to command people

2:19

to do whatever she wants and it doesn't

2:21

always turn out how she expected mary

2:24

is going to tell us about how she got into

2:26

james brain for inspiration and

2:28

her process spreading michelle mary

2:31

hi

2:32

how are ya hesitancy figured hey

2:34

are you doing take you so

2:37

much for joining us today not

2:39

today serve as wanted to have

2:40

you know what need you want to

2:42

write power trip what drew you to the initial

2:45

contact

2:46

well i think your first described

2:48

me as flea bag with magic so i

2:50

don't know how anybody wouldn't speech on to that

2:53

i i like so it's not people living

2:56

unexpected lies and the fringes of whenever

2:58

society there in and that's what seen

3:00

story sounded like story me if woman's

3:02

life

3:03

me her effort enough to go to black market

3:05

to get an organ transplants him and the african

3:07

and the repercussions , her we're

3:09

decision or which is not something that i

3:11

have any literally stay influenced by it

3:13

sounds is eminently relate of ultimately

3:16

i think as a woman their i just any number

3:18

of situations where you're forced to go outside

3:20

the bounds of what's normal and excessive and sadly

3:22

no legal in order to have control

3:24

of your life and your body and and it's her

3:27

as the characters about suicide

3:29

bombings that women are or anyone

3:31

has to go to in order to get what they want and and

3:34

the consequences is actually succeed which

3:36

are often sat with the of jokes

3:38

and punishment i didn't so really john

3:40

said this group that meets a strip

3:43

of others who share her abnormal powers where

3:45

she finally finds her home i think

3:47

the think my life has been the happiest when

3:49

happiest stumbled upon the groups of other weird as

3:51

in any given situation and situation love

3:53

the idea of this does sound family that scene

3:55

comes across and how her her

3:57

salvation ultimately comes through these kind

3:59

of

3:59

edited what do you think you are in

4:02

her life

4:03

yeah it's a really great way to put any also

4:06

i love this not taking mentioned agree with because

4:08

i think the push full of the dynamics between them

4:10

is so much of that helps round

4:12

out james but i also like the you cloud

4:14

the fact that going on the black market by

4:16

the kidney as such as this sounds like

4:18

an alien just choice and yet

4:20

the very specific boys and sense of

4:22

humor that you give james of his you immediately

4:25

believes that she would do this so i'm

4:27

wondering how did you get into genes brain

4:29

wasn't priests and did you use what

4:32

see be honest in spain's even sense of humor

4:34

as is very much my sense of humor so

4:36

humor so wasn't he much of a such a

4:39

i had be extremely good fortune of getting to

4:41

work with my child and best friends thera

4:43

horner on the scientists and i think of anybody

4:45

in the world shares laid my cynicism and my sense

4:47

of humor in general worldview as her i

4:51

started writing short movies together

4:53

a mere ten years old and and what made biting i

4:55

live with her on this or jackson and treating

4:57

the invoice back and forth between us so see absolutely

5:00

the two of you do have like a mind meld when

5:02

it comes to forget insistence you

5:05

know you're a writer they the writer and

5:08

how do you think being a writer

5:10

just impacts hygiene interacts with the world

5:12

and how did you use your own experience

5:15

as experience as too important what i

5:17

did i think it goes back to the figures as

5:19

feeling like an outsider who's seen those

5:21

swimming when we first meet her i started

5:23

writing as i as a shy kid who founded

5:25

a lot easier if you explore a relationship

5:28

and world's in my hand and united it

5:30

was in the real world and rainy became

5:32

a kind of retreat and if you do that

5:34

long enough he started if a mixed blessing of being

5:36

able to see the world around you as as our potential

5:38

material which which can be a lovely

5:40

way to flip a negative experience but

5:43

it can also leave you feeling or had left me

5:45

feeling at times that you're you're rarely totally

5:47

feather in your life with you have you

5:49

have of climate and from the outside and them of

5:51

need our genome is dealing very much on the outside

5:53

of things and she starts out sinking a powers

5:55

are the solution to this that she can

5:57

the man herself into her life

5:59

more

5:59

currently command the world around her to be

6:02

or something

6:02

in a crash and in some ways you can

6:04

i'm so sick outs and it's

6:07

only when she backs to see herself as as equally

6:09

valuable and and in need of vulnerability

6:12

that she she does that surprise real moments

6:14

of system absolutely , also

6:16

like this this i salute the language such use

6:19

a sometimes it just feels so naturally

6:21

like something a writer would do in her

6:23

voice over i would often

6:25

think that is leading the spreads like her descriptive

6:27

language is descriptive language

6:30

specifically sunny and almost as a

6:32

literary looked at some moment

6:35

man

6:36

wouldn't it be that you just brought up which

6:38

is you know it's in some way as

6:40

the story is about learning what you why but also

6:43

learning center everything that

6:45

he why is good for you and

6:47

so can you speak to that theme and why it's so

6:49

important to write about

6:51

definitely an i think it's it's

6:53

it's a been the most central

6:56

and under of existence that we got things the

6:58

center of we didn't our lives as easy

7:00

as there wouldn't be any drama and that might be

7:02

really fantastic and realized that it makes for

7:04

a pretty uninteresting storytelling and

7:07

, couldn't sit back and forth between wanting what

7:09

we said it and even going after it added

7:11

and learning again and again and all sorts of ways that we

7:13

shouldn't maybe have them up and than doing

7:15

it again because it overheats human and

7:18

then i think it's also more complicated summer because

7:20

there's summer because we shouldn't or because

7:22

their friends and family in a substance abuse

7:25

unhealthy relationships surplus and

7:27

and there's nothing that society tells us around

7:30

and those has a much more complicated and

7:32

and fraught relationship to our lives since

7:34

you know going and days of social

7:37

norms to like sleep with your hands husband

7:39

it's not fake little bit boring and advances the summers

7:41

said to get adequate health care or a decent

7:43

education for your kids are are control of your

7:45

own body is little bit more of a

7:47

gray area and they think that those gray

7:49

areas don't have the answers there

7:51

were most of us living and so writing

7:53

and talking about the feels important

7:56

to me and an instant i guess

7:58

it's also just just more fun

7:59

or ended up people breaking the rules the

8:02

thing that you said like it is really stuck out to me i

8:04

like the idea that so much of a

8:06

don't hide and i feel like in some ways

8:08

this is like of built on remand but i guess

8:11

at adulthood women should learn how to be an adult

8:13

recently his status as china one hundred years

8:15

ago and it's like figuring out which

8:17

boundaries the bush which boundaries not to push

8:20

when to adhere to the rules when to adhere to

8:22

the rules and as the inevitable

8:25

that you get it wrong well

8:28

pick any writing instead story so

8:30

you know that tatyana love

8:32

you know pretty much from the started that's how to add

8:35

on add sunny was on the project and look

8:37

at how pocono the actors she would be

8:39

plain jane when you were writing her it

8:41

was so hopefully i think tatiana

8:43

in is incredible and it was a huge how

8:45

he told me that she'd be on the project because i had

8:47

seat or come back and thought at the time

8:49

the of sickness the success of the real deal when

8:52

i admire most about her acting in the

8:54

show as as her ability to seamlessly transition

8:57

between characters and knowing that

8:59

the actress think he would have that power

9:01

has a fan of the haitians are you

9:03

thinking about for her character in

9:06

a woman who's really trying to figure out and

9:08

he said he has the majority

9:10

of the shuttle adding any the afghan it was

9:12

exciting faces for her to go notionally

9:14

as she wants some attorney and one

9:16

of my favorite thing listening to the actual

9:18

episodes it's just the way that for delivery

9:20

can be so wonderfully surprising

9:23

versus how i imagined a reading

9:25

the steps over and over again it's just it's

9:27

so annex that didn't get so perfect

9:29

for the character so

9:33

you're new york many or and

9:36

he rate about the city so vividly

9:39

and authentically and i

9:41

wondered like what rule repairing

9:44

of new york city play in the store you think

9:46

it almost feels like a character in

9:48

some ways yeah i mean a

9:50

elites in the city nothing here is

9:52

is is a bit like an abuse of really successful

9:56

in fallen on deaf and if you hotter

9:58

to follow them the trains

9:59

and everybody the angry and there's really no

10:02

reason that anybody should suit that black

10:04

and lobby that's just amazing beautiful day

10:06

in september and you're walking through the village and you hear

10:08

somebody things as in the park somewhere and

10:10

everybody's and a good mood and you're like all reality i can

10:12

i can do another decade of s o eight

10:15

i think the city has represented bernstein in

10:17

particular as just insurmountable

10:19

struggle not unlike the physical something that

10:21

she's underground with her body and itself

10:23

impossible but also that she's just

10:25

stuck in a in a way see kind of have to make

10:28

it work or as she won't feel like she's really accomplish

10:30

were seen him that

10:32

i learned about teams

10:34

kidney disease the her she's had

10:37

multiple transplants through her life

10:39

she's very open about within

10:42

with a disability has impacted her life

10:44

where'd you know it through her

10:46

voice over and with other characters

10:48

in a area so how did

10:50

you approach reading about the

10:53

yeah i carefully and his

10:55

, a half drax the syrians

10:57

last and i certainly felt very aware

10:59

of that the whole time it was writing i

11:02

guess it tried to

11:04

in this idea of of the grounding

11:06

yourself the the character and knowing

11:08

them as knowing them and and hopefully them

11:10

there's nothing to city true even if all

11:12

of their expenses are not your frankly so

11:15

so i have had a deal none

11:17

of my his but i've never had anything

11:19

the the all encompassing and seems to be isn't

11:21

a haven't had anything occupied such

11:23

a large portion of my life but

11:25

it seems to me that it was important thing is located

11:28

the person first not jane of jane person with

11:30

the city is so everything so everything

11:32

approach from illinois plates of her into trying

11:34

to make as a writer in the city as a bad feeling

11:36

like an outsider working on the sunny and

11:38

jobs to make ends meet and then also just

11:41

sense of humor her defensiveness our insecurities

11:44

or really sunsets all of those have since

11:46

is important in defining her character as the disease

11:48

that she's living with bite her cheating diseases

11:51

certainly also a huge part of our lives and

11:53

the experiences that she's been through other

11:55

factors which the current so you know i did i

11:57

did research people reading the condition

12:00

my teens and it's just tried to

12:02

approach the subjects as as friendly

12:04

as they could be in i think that i'm not going

12:06

to fully understand if that's to do the owner

12:09

would be faced with like for her young

12:11

and in really had me if doctors and and people

12:14

with the disability review this cups of flour

12:16

and are planning to consider his and

12:18

and i've seen a number of years actually

12:22

calling out that represent he said

12:24

the would have been really benefit c h

12:27

so when we first me sane

12:29

see sitting at sitting at waiting

12:32

for the day that she believes

12:34

did her as a man in

12:37

i don't want to spoil with happened to be as a

12:39

up the first episode for those you haven't listened

12:41

space she has a very neat

12:43

and to be honest approach to date age

12:45

and i was supporting like what you think it's

12:47

sad about her as

12:50

a as a person

12:51

yeah i think if we can infer that

12:53

we my a mock them for me from happening i

12:59

think initially in the first to dating

13:01

and and life and several is is this to go

13:03

full throttle for whatever she thinks

13:05

that she's supposed the ones in any given situation

13:08

and that leads to no end of the bastard points

13:11

out because she's trying to fulfill a

13:13

fictional idea what her life should be snow

13:16

when snow when as are who see actually as

13:18

and

13:18

if i can assure the heat

13:20

she becomes more comfortable in her own skin that

13:23

she can allow herself that the vulnerability

13:25

the and the humility that's it's a

13:27

really short for somebody else and are we away

13:29

and and then that's when she meets li either as

13:32

character who doesn't you think that's all the bush and the

13:34

success that

13:34

it is not aware of that actually

13:37

challenge of marriage he to be a more

13:39

honest version of herself in some up with a good

13:41

she is she has become ready to

13:44

the happened amaury a place to check spray

13:47

and and those friendships

13:49

you are certainly the way she approaches friendships

13:51

are so different from the way that she approaches

13:54

dating it's almost like she puts on this version

13:56

of herself on her dates and

13:58

sometimes links with them

13:59

the korean shouldn't do that in the social

14:02

encounters with the group but not always it's

14:04

just so much valera like when

14:06

the pressure of romance isn't they

14:09

have anything they are that like pressure

14:11

story that he said that she's trying to fulfill

14:13

and her head

14:14

there

14:15

the great to have a favorite character

14:18

in the series

14:21

i mean probably seen for all

14:23

of the recently bought a thing i want

14:25

the deepest in terms of just harmless enough and

14:27

her impulsiveness and and her sense of humor

14:30

and and had the most fun with that but i definitely

14:33

like and really to aspects of all of that negates

14:36

christian probably

14:39

hands out where his social anxiety

14:42

and and his ability to disappear in public

14:44

situations which you know as he learns

14:46

that is kind of a mixed blessing because it can

14:48

save him from feeling

14:50

humiliation but ultimately leave them feeling

14:52

disconnected and alone yeah i

14:54

think this is one of my favorites too i mean gene is

14:56

my favorite truly but if i had

14:59

a secondary favorite it with the christian

15:01

school because he's so earnest like

15:03

he did i respect

15:07

if only when the reaction

15:09

to happen with internally and for the other person

15:12

that he starts to disappear and

15:14

i love that one of his first line with you

15:16

know a star wars prefer

15:18

i'm not trying to show up as

15:20

the thirty cel only fitting

15:22

that he seems to have

15:24

to have see it in michelle

15:27

i'm i'm i'm partial to coney island

15:29

is so i'd probably pick that one hundred

15:31

i find a think it's it's it's it's

15:34

place this itself so weird

15:36

and messy and and authentic to it's own

15:38

peculiar need so that it seems like the

15:40

perfect place for the in the have that's not that's not

15:42

down because it's if a place that's kind of always

15:44

having a massive meltdown and and

15:46

they i think that after that that the for mvp

15:48

the romantic censored in a real way between

15:50

her and the i am and her complicated

15:53

feelings about them as they are one of the

15:55

kickstarter is that we are having second

15:57

hadn't as was the was them unless you aren't so

15:59

it is very big and over the top allowed

16:01

messy seen by it actually boil down to a really

16:03

simple need for connection the and become

16:05

a part of our story and it's fun sound

16:08

design last year zero the game the

16:10

rise in the background and you have

16:12

obvious to larry interactions in in the group

16:14

that then you have also one of the more like

16:16

tender season

16:18

michelle is also just hilarious

16:20

to me that a bunch of new yorkers and up at

16:22

, island very nice

16:25

very six years

16:26

the here before actually made

16:28

it out there field i had ended up

16:31

there and so many random and unexpected

16:33

night traffic

16:36

for dnc end up that which

16:39

may have the way it relates to is something that

16:41

we ask our whole team here at

16:43

another bonus episode

16:45

the want to check it out listener is that it's if

16:48

you had

16:49

the power what

16:51

would you do with and then if you could have

16:53

other power

16:55

which are mighty wind and why

16:58

so i think i think having ability

17:00

to command people to do what you want would be

17:02

a total nightmare i

17:07

picked it up you know what you are a it would say i am

17:09

have never gone incredibly in the face as

17:11

i as i guess if i had you

17:13

i would it would have something to do with time

17:15

i'm i'm in favour running late and getting

17:17

that running late and sign of our some ways you

17:19

say it again

17:21

the man people choose to some people

17:23

inside a such

17:26

and maybe that would be helpful as far

17:29

as how are they don't i'd i guess a and

17:31

like the power that is so guess and guess

17:33

and feet seems more efficiently and

17:35

so boring i guess it as the be fun to fly

17:38

he would listen to fire which

17:40

like how would it take you know like

17:43

if you if you are try to fly somewhere what's

17:45

nice neat that's what i always wonder that

17:47

can do for fun not not a function for

17:49

that you know i know and then because

17:51

it i always like to meet a beep the google

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maps estimate i'd be like i do it and six

17:56

not even

17:57

you're doing your focus or something that every

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one hundred watts right now either split

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and only a medical about their health care

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about

18:05

like attention span is decreasing

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there is the dissatisfaction with actually being

18:10

totally mentally and to use of what you're doing

18:12

nothing compared replace sooner

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and popular one around in

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the answers [unk] partition ensure

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yasmin be yasmin especially now

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married thank you so much for joining us

18:25

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