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Factor The Day: What were the top
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We're jumping back in on December Eleventh.
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The body of Tammy Day Bell is
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exude. Employees. with city
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par arrived around 6 a.m. to
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prepare. In attendance, aside from investigators
2:04
were the county attorneys, different sheriffs,
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coroner's, coroner's assistant, and a funeral
2:09
director. Witnesses arrived at 6.30 a.m.
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and then she was exhumed. At Lori's
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trial, we saw a progression of photos
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from the moment they broke ground until
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she had her autopsy. I don't want
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to sound too morbid, but they did
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show the moment they opened her casket.
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She was draped in a veil. She
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looks very beautiful. An autopsy was completed
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and she was reburied around 2.30 p.m.
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Chad called Tammy's sister at some point and
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asked if they knew anything about Tammy being
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exhumed and they didn't. We
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do know it was Chad who
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told Alex they were exuming Tammy's
2:43
body. The autopsy found her death
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to be a homicide by asphyxiation.
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At Lori's trial, the medical examiner could
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not say for certain how she died,
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but due to her age and her
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health, they concluded it to be
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a homicide. She also had bruises on her
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body from what the medical examiner said looked
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to be somebody holding her down
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and those bruises came when she was
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alive and they are
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consistent with asphyxiation. I have a
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diagram up here on the screen. This is just
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something I put together there in court that day
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to just show the location of those bruises. They
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were on her front and back. What
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bruising did Tammy have? Just a trigger
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warning we are talking about somebody who is
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deceased here. On the left
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front side of her body, she had
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bruises on her bicep and the collarbone
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area. On the right side,
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she had three bruises on her upper arm
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and one on the forearm. On
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her back, there were two on the back
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of her arm, kind of behind the tricep
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area and two on the back of the
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forearm. What was the story that was given
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at the house? Which is the reason I
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think Chad's son Garth has a good chance
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to be called as a witness by
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the prosecution. When law enforcement arrived,
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they said Chad was upset and Garth was
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quiet and reserved. Chad told law enforcement that
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Tammy had woken up up at midnight
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and was coughing a lot and had vomited
4:03
multiple times. Chad said he
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helped Tammy before returning to bed and woke
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up later that morning to find that
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Tammy had fallen off the bed and was
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unresponsive. Chad said that Tammy had fallen a
4:14
month prior to this and didn't have any
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major medical issues. He said that she had
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low blood pressure in that last month and
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she wasn't feeling well. The coroner, Brenda Dye,
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testified at Lori's trial that she asked Chad
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how Tammy could have fallen out of bed
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if she was deceased and how
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was her leg still wrapped in covers.
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Chad said he must have pulled off
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that top sheet causing her body
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to roll. He suggested Tammy died around
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5 30 a.m. but the
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time of death was estimated by the coroner to
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be between 12 30 and 2
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a.m. Tammy's dad said they did not know
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they were exhuming her body until police
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told them. He went to her
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grave and found it had been dug up. There
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was also a post on a Reddit forum called
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grief support. It's allegedly
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from one of Chad's kids. Let's read
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through it. Exuming body without family permission.
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My mother passed away October 19th 2019. The coroner told
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us natural causes. It
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looked like the textbook definition of
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heart failure. The death was unexpected and
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my family has taken it hard. My
5:17
dad is already remarried. A friend
5:19
of the family lost her husband earlier this
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year and for whatever reason she
5:23
and my dad decided to tie the
5:25
knot. It feels weird but I already
5:27
have a positive relationship with my new
5:29
stepmom and she has helped our family
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grieve. It's definitely a weird
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marriage. Both still talk of their former
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spouses frequently. My dad
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misses my mother terribly. A few neighbors
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led by my aunt and our small
5:42
town have decided that since my dad
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remarried so quickly he murdered my mother.
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This started out as a benign though
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hurtful rumor. It is escalated
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to the point however that they exhumed
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my mom's body for an autopsy. The
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family had no warning. We went to
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visit her grave and her body had been dug. I
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don't know about the results of the autopsy yet,
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but I feel extremely violated. I
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just want to grieve. I'm hurt my
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aunt would cause so much trouble as
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anyone experienced anything like this. I feel
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so alone the day Tammy is exhumed
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Chad text Alex asking how he's doing
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and Alex says he's winded every time
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he stands up and his resting pulse
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is 100 at 1153 a.m Alex
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says I feel like the poison from
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the spear and the heart has done
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some residual damage Chad tells Alex He's
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paid the bills on the Rexburg house
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and Alex says he was just gonna let it go along
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with all of his stuff there 1215
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p.m. Melanie's calls Alex 1138
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Alex calls Chad 1247
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p.m. Alex text Melanie's that's
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a big no-go on your stuff. Just
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buy a new computer They don't give it
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back to you. They're holding it for leverage until you
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help them. So just write it off This
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is in reference to her computer that
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was seized during that search warrant in
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Rexburg December 12th Investigators note
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the last activity on Alex's phone
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was a call to Chad
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and Lori on the Raphael number other
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than that There's very little communication from
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Alex and Alex dies suspiciously
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in, Gilbert, Arizona Ironically,
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this was the date of the all-agency
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meeting where all the different police departments
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and investigators from all the different states
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Get together to talk about the case
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At the end of the meeting Gilbert PD was
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informed Alex had been the subject of a 911
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call Then the
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detective later learned Alex was dead. Of course,
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they were wanting to talk to Alex
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about Charles fallow's murder You
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think about how much information died
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with him? There are so many things
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we will never know Before
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his death. He did receive that priesthood
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blessing over the phone from Chad his
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cause of death Ultimately was blood clots
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to the lungs on
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my youtube channel I have all of the body
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cam footage from the residents as well as the
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hospital when they're trying to It's
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hard to hear some of the audio
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on these, so I have episodes where
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I just walk through these videos and
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talk about what's going on. December 14th,
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in an email between investigators, one
8:11
says he has spoken with Ian
8:13
Pulaski that evening and Chad
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and Lori called Melanise that night.
8:17
Chad and Lori told Melanise that
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Rexburg PD had contacted two of
8:21
Chad's kids and threatened to
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exhume Tammy's body. Chad and
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Lori thought this was a lie. Law
8:28
enforcement notes that Chad and Lori apparently
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have no clue. Tammy was already exhumed
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and they didn't volunteer that information to Ian
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either. Chad and Lori told Melanise they were
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being bullied by Rexburg PD and they planned
8:40
to get a lawyer to represent them and
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Chad's kids. Chad said his
8:44
kids would refer law enforcement to that
8:46
lawyer. Chad and Lori also heard a
8:48
rumor the FBI is involved, but they
8:51
thought it was a scare tactic. Little
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did they know. December 18th, Chad's
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parents, Jack and Sheila, are interviewed by
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Rexburg PD. December
8:59
19th, Ian admits to Melanise he had been
9:02
talking to the FBI and recording their
9:04
conversations. There is a second
9:06
search warrant on December 19th executed
9:08
at Alex's townhome. That was with
9:10
a forensics unit. There was no
9:12
biological evidence found in those townhomes.
9:14
December 20th, the first media reports
9:16
about JJ and Tylee hit the
9:18
internet and TV. Rexburg
9:20
PD announced the investigation the same
9:23
day. Lori accesses that school app
9:25
of JJ's. December 21st, 2019, investigators
9:27
take photos of the residents Lori
9:30
and Chad were staying in while
9:32
they were in Hawaii. Colby contacts
9:34
investigators after seeing media reports about
9:37
JJ and Tylee saying he was concerned
9:39
for their well-being. In an email between
9:41
agencies, they say, it sounds like some
9:43
of Chad's children. I think with Garth,
9:45
Leah and Leah's husband will be
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traveling to Hawaii to spend Christmas with Chad
9:50
and Lori, but will not be staying with
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them, but at a friend's home instead. They
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will likely travel on December 23rd, but
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nothing is confirmed at this time. 23rd,
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2019, an attorney briefly hired by
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Lori and Chad issue a statement
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saying Chad Daybell was a loving husband and
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has the support of his children in this
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matter. Lori Daybell is a
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devoted mother and resents assertions to
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the contrary. We look forward to
10:16
addressing the allegations once they have moved
10:18
beyond speculation and rumor. The same day,
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8.20 p.m. investigators go
10:22
to Zulema's house with a search warrant
10:24
to seize Alex's truck. Investigators asked Zulema
10:27
if she knew where JJ and Tylee
10:29
were and she said she did not.
10:32
They reinforced to her they weren't going to take
10:34
the kids, they just needed to check
10:36
their welfare. The investigator told
10:38
Zulema they didn't believe she didn't know where
10:40
the kids were. Zulema said she had nothing
10:42
to be afraid of and they could talk to her
10:45
attorney. She brings the keys out, they
10:47
process that truck for evidence. Also, on
10:50
this day, Melanise and Ian are interviewed
10:52
by the FBI. December 24th, Melanise and
10:54
Ian show up at her dad's house
10:56
at 10.30 p.m. looking
10:59
for her kids. She calls and asks
11:01
to visit saying she was 4 minutes away but
11:03
she was already sitting out front. Her dad thinks
11:05
this was to see if the kids would be
11:07
moved before she got there. She tells her
11:10
dad she has Christmas presents, she
11:12
refused to answer questions about JJ and
11:14
Tylee and when asked who shot Brandon
11:16
she said, how do you know
11:18
Brandon didn't shoot his own vehicle? How
11:21
do you know one of his work buddies didn't
11:23
shoot him? Melanise cried about the death of Alex
11:25
to her dad and also just at the mention
11:28
of Lori. Melanise asked
11:30
to go to the basement where all of her
11:32
siblings were. She went down there, spoke for about
11:34
5 minutes and then came upstairs and left. Her
11:37
dad thinks she went into the basement just to see
11:39
if the kids were there. In all, she stayed around
11:42
45 minutes and after this visit she cut
11:44
off all communication with her dad. In the
11:46
midst of all this, Kay is providing information
11:48
to authorities in Arizona. December 27th Lori and
11:51
Chad are seen under surveillance. In that
11:54
photo, a couple of Chad's kids are
11:56
there. December 30th Rexburg PD and the
11:58
FBI published their press. release announcing
12:00
that JJ and Tylee are missing and
12:02
asked for the public's help. January 3rd,
12:05
2020, the FBI and
12:07
the Brexburg PD executed search warrant at
12:09
Chad and Tammy Daybell's house. They
12:11
use metal detectors around the house. 43
12:15
items of interest are taken, including
12:17
electronic devices, journals, medications,
12:19
and papers. I think
12:21
this stuff is going to come in in a big way
12:23
in Chad's trial where it did
12:26
it in Lori's. Prosecutors
12:28
don't need to show everything they have.
12:30
They just needed to show that jury in
12:32
Lori's trial enough to get a conviction.
12:35
And I think we're going to hear about it
12:37
throughout the course of Chad's trial. January 6th, Kay
12:39
and Larry Woodcock have an interview with Brexburg
12:41
PD. They give background
12:43
information that needed to be followed
12:45
up on in Arizona. Also January
12:47
6th, a search warrant is served
12:49
on JJ school in Arizona. January
12:52
7th, Melanie's has her court date
12:54
for trespassing. Also Kay and Larry
12:56
have a press conference and offer a $20,000 reward
12:58
for information
13:01
about the whereabouts of JJ and Tylee.
13:03
January 8th, Melanie's was supposed to meet
13:05
with detectives, but she didn't show. Friend
13:07
of Melanie's talks to investigators and
13:09
asked if she's pregnant and investigators
13:12
do confirm to this friend that
13:14
she is pregnant. They also
13:16
say they believe she is in deep with the
13:18
group and said Melanie's would take
13:20
Lori's secrets to the grave for her. They
13:23
say this group will place the
13:25
dark person tag on anyone who
13:27
conflicts with their belief system. The
13:30
investigator also says they feel Melanie's
13:32
may feel even more alone in
13:34
the future as Chad and Lori
13:36
may go deeper into hiding. Also
13:38
on this day, January 8th, Lori
13:40
accesses JJ school app again. January
13:42
16th, a child protection action was
13:44
filed in Madison County, Idaho on
13:47
behalf of JJ and Tylee. Lori
13:49
was ordered to produce the children within
13:52
five days to the Rexburg PD or
13:54
the Idaho department of health and
13:56
welfare. She was served with this
13:58
order on January. 25th in
14:00
Hawaii. She was poolside in
14:03
a teeny bikini reading
14:05
books. Chad was there. Lori
14:07
takes the paperwork, kind
14:09
of looks up at the officer, giving
14:11
it to her like, why are you
14:13
bothering me? Chad on the other hand,
14:15
inching closer towards Lori to see if
14:17
he can read. He always seems way
14:19
more nervous than Lori. January 26th, Lori
14:22
and Chad are seen on a beach
14:24
in Hawaii by the FBI because they
14:26
were under surveillance. A search
14:28
warrant is executed in their black Ford Explorer
14:30
they had rented. I just
14:32
rewatched the body cam footage and Lori
14:34
immediately gets the paperwork when she gets
14:36
out of the car and looks them
14:38
over. In her possession, they found JJ
14:40
and Tylee's birth certificates, Tylee's
14:42
bank card, JJ's iPad which
14:45
had his initials on the back, a
14:47
second iPad that was logged into JJ's
14:49
Apple account and JJ's
14:51
school registration receipts from Kennedy
14:53
Elementary in Idaho. Tylee's
14:56
bank card was active and had been
14:58
used since the last time Tylee was
15:00
seen alive. They're putting separate police cars
15:02
in there questioned. The same day, search
15:05
warrants are executed at their condo in
15:07
Hawaii. In the garage, they found
15:09
two beach chairs, two yoga mats and two
15:11
beach towels. No toys, kids items
15:14
were seen. This is the same day. We
15:16
all see Nate Eaton following them with
15:18
a microphone in their face asking, where
15:21
are your kids Lori? You'd also be
15:23
there to greet her in Rexburg after
15:25
she was extradited asking her the same
15:27
questions. January 29th, Kay and Larry file
15:29
for emergency custody of JJ. The same
15:31
day, Lori and Chad move out of
15:34
their condo to the Kauai Beach Resort.
15:37
January 30th of 2020, the deadline
15:39
passes for Lori to produce JJ
15:41
and Tylee. In some emails between
15:43
investigators, some of the things that
15:45
were said, Lori took pictures of
15:47
the computer screen mostly booking confirmations
15:49
for airfare, hotel and car rental. They
15:51
talk about how this computer may be
15:54
beneficial when they seize it. At this point,
15:56
they don't see that Lori is communicating with
15:58
anybody through text messages. They note
16:00
she's careful not to discuss anything and will
16:02
just ask people to call her. They
16:05
contacted the maker of the wedding bands from
16:07
Etsy. He informs them he had to cancel
16:09
that order. And they also note
16:12
how ironic it is that Lori books
16:14
the Phoenix to Idaho flight the
16:16
day after. Tammy dies. They
16:18
also say the metadata on the phone helps
16:21
with premeditation. Lori retains her first attorney
16:24
there in Hawaii. January
16:26
31st Lori again accesses that school
16:28
app of JJ's. February 2nd 2020
16:30
Lori and Chad attend a service
16:32
at an LDS church in Kauai.
16:36
They are seen speaking with the bishop. They act
16:38
as if everything is fine and they have
16:40
no care in the world. February 4th Lori
16:43
again logs into that school app of JJ's. The
16:45
school is aware she's logging into this. They
16:48
had tried different ways to block it. And
16:51
the police offered to send somebody over to help get
16:53
her off that app. I'm sure
16:55
she's looking to see if there's talk amongst
16:57
the parents or staff about JJ
16:59
being missing. The same day
17:01
Zulina files a probate case in Maricopa
17:03
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forth, investigators talk about audio being
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found on Lori's phone of her
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testimony. They say she's self-prophesizing everything
18:50
she does because her Heavenly Father
18:52
tells her. He says to enjoy
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the listening to the other investigator and
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says it will really help understand her
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thinking. February 9th, Lori and Chad visit
19:01
the same church in Hawaii. They are
19:03
caught on camera holding hands as they
19:05
walk in. February 12th, Chad
19:07
and Lori are seen shopping at a
19:10
Costco in Hawaii. February 13th, a detective
19:12
emails a screenshot of a text from
19:14
Lori's iCloud that says this is the
19:16
last mention of JJ. The photo was
19:19
titled, JJ Gone. February 16th, Lori and
19:21
Chad check out of the resort they
19:23
had been staying in. They fly to
19:26
Maui. They're seen renting a
19:28
car at a Hertz counter at the
19:30
Maui airport. February 18th, Chad
19:32
and Lori fly back to Hawaii. East
19:35
Idaho News reported passengers on the plane said
19:37
they held hands and they were very lovey-dovey.
19:41
The same day, a neighbor of theirs
19:43
in Hawaii saw them riding bikes.
19:45
February 18th, an arrest warrant finally
19:48
issued for Lori. They charged
19:50
her initially with two felony counts
19:52
of desertion and non-supportive children, one
19:55
misdemeanor count of resisting and
19:57
obstructing officers, one misdemeanor.
20:00
of criminal solicitation, one
20:02
misdemeanor count of criminal contempt. They considered
20:04
her a flight risk for these reasons.
20:06
Number one, the day she was confronted
20:08
in Idaho, she fled the state.
20:11
Number two, felony charges are serious with a max
20:13
of 14 years in prison. Number
20:16
three, she has no significant ties
20:18
to Madison County, no home, and
20:20
she has abandoned a significant amount
20:22
of property there. Number four, she displayed
20:25
a willingness to disobey a court order
20:27
by not producing JJ and Tylee. Number
20:30
five, Chad and Lori have
20:32
significant financial resources since
20:34
Chad got the $430,000 life insurance payout from
20:36
Tammy's life insurance policy.
20:40
February 20th, Lori finally is
20:42
arrested in Hawaii around 2.30
20:45
p.m. local time. The next day
20:47
they held a press conference. She was
20:49
booked into the Kauai Police Department
20:51
detention facility and was held
20:53
on $5 million bond. At
20:56
that time, she faced a maximum of
20:58
14 years in prison on those felony
21:00
child abandonment charges. The next day, February
21:03
21st, Lori appears at her bond hearing.
21:06
The attorney argues it should be reduced to $10,000
21:08
and it wasn't. She asked for an extradition
21:13
hearing and Chad was in attendance
21:15
at that hearing. February
21:18
24th, Chad cancels the lease on
21:20
the condo in Hawaii because the
21:22
honeymoon's over. February 25th,
21:25
Chad visits Lori in jail for one
21:28
hour. He's tracked down by ABC News
21:30
reporter Marcus Moore at a gas station.
21:33
When asked if the kids were okay, Chad
21:35
says, I can't comment, I just can't comment.
21:38
When asked by Marcus if there was anything he would
21:40
like to say to people who were concerned
21:42
about the kids, you or your
21:44
wife, Chad said, just grateful
21:47
for any support. We just have
21:49
to wait for the legal process
21:51
to work through. February 26th, Lori
21:53
waves extradition. She also has
21:55
a new attorney who asks again for that
21:57
bond to be lowered. The prosecuting attorney argues
22:00
the bell is sufficient and notes she
22:02
has a history of defying court orders
22:04
recently as well in 2009 and
22:07
2011 in her custody
22:09
battle with Joe Ryan. By
22:11
the way, Chab was not at
22:13
this court hearing. February 29th, Chab
22:15
moves to Rexburg. He goes to
22:17
return an enterprise rental car around 1030
22:20
a.m. and a
22:22
man picked him up from there. March 4th,
22:24
Lori has a status hearing in
22:26
Hawaii and Shane Bishop from Dateline
22:28
tweeted out during an episode on
22:30
the case that Lori complained loudly
22:32
about the conditions at the jail
22:34
in Hawaii. She was there for a
22:36
total of two weeks. March
22:38
5th, the FBI releases that photo
22:40
of JJ and Tylee showing Alex
22:43
in the background in Yellowstone National
22:45
Park. They also show that
22:47
selfie with Lori and JJ. Also
22:49
on March 5th, Lori is extradited
22:51
to Rexburg. She flies commercial
22:53
from Kauai to LA then to Boise.
22:56
People take videos of her coming out of
22:58
a room boarding her flight, walking
23:00
on tarmac. She's wearing a
23:03
Kauai hoodie and leggings. Instead
23:05
of driving Lori from Boise to
23:07
Rexburg, Lori was flown on
23:09
a small law enforcement airplane. March
23:12
6th, Lori's initial appearance in Rexburg.
23:14
Chad was there. This is
23:16
the one where Kay literally stares
23:19
a hole through Lori as she's walking by.
23:22
She was represented by Edwina Elcox, Brian
23:24
Webb, and Mark Means. Lori's attorney argued
23:26
this was a court of law and
23:28
not a court of public opinion and
23:30
the bail must match the charges Lori
23:33
is facing. Again asking that bail be
23:35
lowered to 10,000. The judge in the
23:37
case does lower her bond to 1
23:39
million and Lori was placed
23:41
in a smaller part of the jail
23:43
but not segregation. March
23:46
27th of 2020, Justin Lum
23:48
reports that Chad inquired about
23:50
putting a mobile home on
23:52
his property. I don't think we've ever
23:54
learned where. He wanted to put it. April 7th,
23:57
Fremont County prosecuting attorneys asked the
23:59
attorney to call 911. Attorney General Office to
24:01
assist in the death of Tammy Daybell.
24:03
April 9th, Lori asked to be released
24:05
from custody due to COVID. We're gonna
24:07
jump ahead here, June 2nd, 2020. Investigators
24:11
contact Tammy's sister, Samantha to ask
24:13
about a pet cemetery on Tammy
24:15
and Chas property. She
24:17
confirms they did have one and said
24:20
it was east of the red barn
24:22
near the fire pit. Investigators talked to
24:24
Samantha again on June 4th. Samantha
24:26
tells investigators Tammy had actually shown
24:28
her the pet cemetery before. They
24:31
show Samantha aerial photos of the
24:33
property. She pointed to the area,
24:35
which not only was the pet
24:37
cemetery, but also where the FBI agent
24:40
put together the day after the
24:42
kids were missing. This is where
24:44
Alex phone pinged. June 9th, 2020,
24:47
the day the search warrant is
24:49
executed on Chad Daybell's property. There
24:52
was an investigation discovery special with Kay
24:54
and Larry Woodcock. She was
24:56
called about 745 AM about the
24:58
search at Chad's, but she didn't think they
25:00
were looking for the kids bodies. Rob
25:03
Wood called her around 1 PM to tell her
25:06
they found the kids. There is a gel
25:08
call between Chad and Lori as the property
25:10
is being searched. Chad tells
25:12
her several times they're searching the
25:14
property. Lori says, are they
25:17
seizing stuff? They go back
25:19
and forth. He says he'll be talking to Mark
25:21
Means and that he will
25:23
call her later if he can. Lori says
25:25
she's praying for him, yada, yada, yada. As
25:28
the search is going on, Chad is
25:30
sitting in his car. His car is
25:32
backed in and he is looking and
25:34
when they hit where the
25:36
remains of JJ were, Chad
25:38
floors it, gets out of there. They
25:41
catch up to him and finally, Chad
25:43
Daybell is arrested. We were shown photos
25:45
of the progression of them finding the
25:47
kids bodies during Lori's trial. I'm
25:50
not gonna go through all that right now,
25:52
but you can go back to a daily
25:54
recap that I did after they found the
25:57
kids bodies. Brandon drove through the night to
25:59
Idaho. identify JJ so Kay
26:01
and Larry would not have to. June
26:03
13th they officially announced the
26:05
remains are JJ and Tylee. Detective
26:08
Ron Ball said it was not possible
26:10
to identify Tylee by simply looking at
26:12
the remains because they were too damaged
26:14
by fire and dismemberment and no
26:16
longer had any recognizable features. An
26:20
orthodontist was able to identify the remains
26:22
by matching irregular jaw lines. They were
26:24
also able to obtain DNA from some
26:26
of the soft tissue. We saw these
26:29
photos at trial and JJ
26:31
was able to be identified by his
26:33
facial features and his haircut. June 29th
26:35
another search warrant is executed at Chad's.
26:37
They went inside the house, inside the
26:40
buildings on the property. There was another
26:42
search warrant on June 29th. The same
26:45
day, Lori is charged with two counts
26:47
of conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration, or
26:49
concealment of evidence. So I'm not gonna
26:51
go through all the court dates. May
26:53
8th of 2021 Lori's case
26:55
is placed on hold for a
26:57
competency evaluation. And May
27:00
25th murder charges announced for Lori and
27:02
Chad. June 8th Lori was committed to
27:04
the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare
27:07
after a psychologist said she was not
27:09
fit for trial. She stayed
27:11
there almost a year. June
27:14
9th Chad pleads not guilty to
27:16
all charges. On June
27:18
24th of 2021 Lori was
27:20
indicted for Charles Vallow's murder with
27:22
one count of conspiracy to commit
27:25
murder. Also one count of
27:27
conspiracy to commit murder for Brandon. Investigators
27:29
said they would not indict Chad
27:31
due to the likelihood he would
27:34
not be convicted. April 3rd
27:36
2023 Lori Vallow's trial begins in
27:39
Boise, Idaho. And on May
27:41
12th of 2023 she was
27:43
found guilty on all charges. She
27:46
was sentenced on July 31st.
27:48
Let's listen to her allocution statement that she
27:50
gave in court. We could
27:52
all hear a pin drop. I'd like to
27:54
start by quoting John
27:56
from the New Testament in the Bible. On
28:00
chapter 8 verse 7 Jesus says,
28:03
He that is without sin among you, let
28:05
him cast first cast a stone at her.
28:08
Then in verse 15 Jesus
28:10
says, you judge after
28:13
the flesh, I judge no man. And
28:16
yet if I judge, my
28:18
judgment is true. Jesus
28:22
knows me and
28:25
Jesus understands me. I
28:29
mourn with all of you who mourn
28:31
my children and Tammy. Jesus
28:37
Christ knows the truth
28:39
of what happened here.
28:43
Jesus Christ knows that no
28:45
one was murdered in this
28:48
case. Accidental
28:50
deaths happen, suicides
28:53
happen, fatal
28:55
side effects of medications happen.
29:00
I have a different perspective in life
29:03
because in 2002 when
29:06
I was pregnant with Tylee, I
29:08
died in the hospital while in
29:10
labor with her. They tried to
29:12
stop my labor, they put me
29:14
on the table and they put something in
29:16
my IV and I felt my spirit falling
29:18
to the floor. I
29:22
was standing near my pregnant body and
29:25
watching the doctors try to revive me which took them a few
29:27
minutes. In that time,
29:31
my sister Stacy was standing to my left.
29:34
I turned to hug her and was
29:36
surprised that her spirit was
29:38
as tangible as a physical body
29:41
because I knew I was in spirit and she was
29:43
in spirit. She
29:46
said she needed to show me some things and we
29:48
went to heaven. I
29:51
later returned to my body. Because
29:55
of this experience, I have access
29:57
to heaven and the spirit world.
30:01
Since then, I have had many communications
30:04
from people now living in heaven, including
30:07
my children, Tylee
30:09
Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson,
30:12
my sisters, Stacy and
30:14
Lolly, my aunts and
30:17
my uncles, and my grandparents. I
30:20
have had many communications with Jesus Christ,
30:23
the Savior of this world, and our
30:25
heavenly parents. I
30:27
have had many angelic visitors have
30:29
come and communicated with me and
30:31
even manifested themselves to me. Because
30:35
of these communications, I know
30:37
for a fact that my
30:40
children are happy and
30:42
busy in the spirit world. Because
30:46
of my communications with my friend,
30:48
Tammy Daybell, I know
30:50
that she is also very happy
30:53
and extremely busy. I
30:56
have always mourned the loss of
30:58
my loved ones, and I have
31:00
lost many in this mortal world.
31:03
However, I know
31:06
that more than most people, I
31:08
know where they are now and what
31:11
they're doing. I know how
31:13
wonderful heaven is, and I'm
31:15
homesick for it every single
31:17
day. I
31:19
know we all lived in heaven before we
31:21
were born on earth, and we were all
31:23
adult spirits in the heavenly realm. We
31:26
chose to come to earth as mortals. Heaven
31:30
is more wonderful than you can
31:32
possibly imagine. I
31:34
do not fear death, but I
31:36
look forward to it. I
31:40
did not want to return to my body when I
31:42
was out of it, even though
31:44
my son Colby, who I adored more than
31:46
anything, was only six years old at the
31:48
time, and I was about to give birth
31:50
to this new baby girl that I wanted
31:52
so badly. I
31:57
was a young mother, and you
31:59
would see her. I wouldn't want to leave my
32:01
children, but as I stood in heaven, I did
32:03
not want to go back. I thought they would
32:05
be fine without me
32:08
because I was peaceful and I was
32:10
happy and I was home.
32:15
But then I was told by
32:17
Jesus that I needed to go
32:19
back and complete things that I had covenanted
32:21
or promised to do before I was born.
32:24
This caused me a lot of distress
32:27
because I knew heaven was my
32:29
real home and I only wanted
32:31
to be there. I was free
32:33
from pain, emotional and physical.
32:35
But then I was shown how
32:38
I would help my children and others
32:40
in the future. So ultimately I did
32:42
agree to go back to
32:46
my body.
32:49
Tylee has
32:51
visited me. She
32:53
is happy and very
32:55
busy. Tylee is free now
32:57
from all the pains of her life.
33:01
Tylee suffered horrible physical pain
33:03
her whole life. I
33:07
sat with Tylee in the hospital
33:09
year after year after year while
33:11
she screamed in pain when the
33:13
morphine wasn't even enough to take
33:15
away the pain of her pancreatitis.
33:18
I sat there while she cried and I held
33:20
back her hair while she threw up and
33:22
I am the only person on this
33:25
earth who knows how much
33:27
Tylee suffered in her life. She
33:30
had pain every single day. She
33:32
never felt good. Her
33:35
body did not work right and I don't know
33:37
if that was from complications from me
33:39
dying while she was being born
33:41
or something else. But she had
33:43
a very difficult life. She
33:46
was sexually abused by her own biological
33:49
father since she was three years old
33:52
and she was forced by family court to
33:54
go visit him for 10 years against
33:57
her will. I
33:59
fought for her. In court,
34:02
I protected her. I tried to
34:04
protect her with my whole life.
34:07
I tried to protect her. I worried
34:09
about her every single day. Kylie
34:12
had to get her GED because she
34:14
couldn't go to school every day because
34:16
she never felt good. She felt sick.
34:20
Nobody knows this because Kylie, like myself, tries
34:23
to put on a good friend, tries
34:25
to be a happy person, tries
34:27
to have hope in life, tries to know
34:30
that she's here for a purpose and that
34:32
she has an eternal purpose to be on
34:34
this earth. But I never stopped worrying about
34:36
her. One
34:38
of the times that Kylie came to me
34:40
as a spirit after she died, she said,
34:43
she commanded me, and she said
34:45
to me, stop worrying, Mom. We
34:47
are fine. She
34:49
knows how I worry and how I miss
34:52
her. The
34:56
first time JJ visited me after he passed away, he
35:01
put his arm around me and he
35:03
said to me, do
35:06
anything wrong, Mom. I
35:09
love you and I know
35:11
you loved me every minute of my
35:13
life. JJ,
35:18
Joshua Jackson, was
35:20
an adult spirit and
35:23
he was very, very tall when he put his
35:25
arm around me. He
35:30
is busy, he is engaged, he has
35:32
jobs that he does there and he
35:34
is happy where
35:36
he is. His life was short,
35:39
but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ
35:42
was a wonderful person and
35:44
touched the lives of everyone and I
35:46
adored him every minute of his life.
35:51
My eternal friend Tammy Daybell has
35:53
visited me on several occasions. She
35:57
came to bring me peace and comfort and
35:59
I know. that she is extremely
36:01
busy helping her family, especially
36:03
her children and grandchildren. And
36:06
I have a great love for Tammy. My
36:14
beautiful children, Kylie Ashlyn
36:16
and Joshua Jackson, rest
36:19
safely this day in the arms
36:21
of Jesus. My
36:23
wonderful friend, Tammy Daybell, rest
36:25
safely this day in
36:27
the arms of Jesus. And
36:29
I look forward to the day when we
36:31
are all reunited and I too will
36:34
rest with them in the arms of my
36:36
Jesus. I don't know how anybody who
36:38
was family in that courtroom did not
36:40
catch a charge for jumping over that little
36:43
divider there and letting her have
36:45
it. It was just something,
36:47
y'all. To hear it now is
36:49
mind blowing. To have been in that
36:51
room, you could have heard
36:54
a pin drop. And we were all
36:56
just looking at each other like, wow.
36:58
Glory is now in Maricopa County, Arizona
37:00
for those charges pending there. The
37:03
beginning of the end of the
37:05
long road to justice finally begins.
37:08
Come join me on my YouTube. Tomorrow I'm
37:10
doing a lunchtime live with Law and Crime
37:12
Network, but I'll be streaming the trial every
37:14
day and on the days I'm not doing
37:16
a live with Law and Crime, I'll be
37:18
doing a Q&A on my YouTube at lunchtime.
37:20
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