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Chad Daybell Pre-Trial Refresher FINAL EPISODE

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Chad Daybell Pre-Trial Refresher FINAL EPISODE

Chad Daybell Pre-Trial Refresher FINAL EPISODE

Wednesday, 10th April 2024
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Factor The Day: What were the top

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and Number One Imagine by John Lennon.

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We're jumping back in on December Eleventh.

1:55

The body of Tammy Day Bell is

1:57

exude. Employees. with city

2:00

par arrived around 6 a.m. to

2:02

prepare. In attendance, aside from investigators

2:04

were the county attorneys, different sheriffs,

2:07

coroner's, coroner's assistant, and a funeral

2:09

director. Witnesses arrived at 6.30 a.m.

2:12

and then she was exhumed. At Lori's

2:14

trial, we saw a progression of photos

2:16

from the moment they broke ground until

2:18

she had her autopsy. I don't want

2:20

to sound too morbid, but they did

2:22

show the moment they opened her casket.

2:25

She was draped in a veil. She

2:27

looks very beautiful. An autopsy was completed

2:29

and she was reburied around 2.30 p.m.

2:32

Chad called Tammy's sister at some point and

2:34

asked if they knew anything about Tammy being

2:36

exhumed and they didn't. We

2:39

do know it was Chad who

2:41

told Alex they were exuming Tammy's

2:43

body. The autopsy found her death

2:45

to be a homicide by asphyxiation.

2:48

At Lori's trial, the medical examiner could

2:50

not say for certain how she died,

2:52

but due to her age and her

2:54

health, they concluded it to be

2:56

a homicide. She also had bruises on her

2:59

body from what the medical examiner said looked

3:01

to be somebody holding her down

3:03

and those bruises came when she was

3:06

alive and they are

3:08

consistent with asphyxiation. I have a

3:10

diagram up here on the screen. This is just

3:12

something I put together there in court that day

3:15

to just show the location of those bruises. They

3:18

were on her front and back. What

3:20

bruising did Tammy have? Just a trigger

3:22

warning we are talking about somebody who is

3:24

deceased here. On the left

3:26

front side of her body, she had

3:28

bruises on her bicep and the collarbone

3:30

area. On the right side,

3:32

she had three bruises on her upper arm

3:34

and one on the forearm. On

3:37

her back, there were two on the back

3:39

of her arm, kind of behind the tricep

3:41

area and two on the back of the

3:43

forearm. What was the story that was given

3:46

at the house? Which is the reason I

3:48

think Chad's son Garth has a good chance

3:50

to be called as a witness by

3:52

the prosecution. When law enforcement arrived,

3:54

they said Chad was upset and Garth was

3:56

quiet and reserved. Chad told law enforcement that

3:58

Tammy had woken up up at midnight

4:01

and was coughing a lot and had vomited

4:03

multiple times. Chad said he

4:05

helped Tammy before returning to bed and woke

4:07

up later that morning to find that

4:09

Tammy had fallen off the bed and was

4:11

unresponsive. Chad said that Tammy had fallen a

4:14

month prior to this and didn't have any

4:16

major medical issues. He said that she had

4:18

low blood pressure in that last month and

4:20

she wasn't feeling well. The coroner, Brenda Dye,

4:23

testified at Lori's trial that she asked Chad

4:25

how Tammy could have fallen out of bed

4:27

if she was deceased and how

4:29

was her leg still wrapped in covers.

4:31

Chad said he must have pulled off

4:33

that top sheet causing her body

4:35

to roll. He suggested Tammy died around

4:38

5 30 a.m. but the

4:40

time of death was estimated by the coroner to

4:42

be between 12 30 and 2

4:44

a.m. Tammy's dad said they did not know

4:46

they were exhuming her body until police

4:48

told them. He went to her

4:51

grave and found it had been dug up. There

4:53

was also a post on a Reddit forum called

4:55

grief support. It's allegedly

4:58

from one of Chad's kids. Let's read

5:00

through it. Exuming body without family permission.

5:03

My mother passed away October 19th 2019. The coroner told

5:05

us natural causes. It

5:09

looked like the textbook definition of

5:12

heart failure. The death was unexpected and

5:14

my family has taken it hard. My

5:17

dad is already remarried. A friend

5:19

of the family lost her husband earlier this

5:21

year and for whatever reason she

5:23

and my dad decided to tie the

5:25

knot. It feels weird but I already

5:27

have a positive relationship with my new

5:29

stepmom and she has helped our family

5:31

grieve. It's definitely a weird

5:34

marriage. Both still talk of their former

5:36

spouses frequently. My dad

5:38

misses my mother terribly. A few neighbors

5:40

led by my aunt and our small

5:42

town have decided that since my dad

5:44

remarried so quickly he murdered my mother.

5:47

This started out as a benign though

5:49

hurtful rumor. It is escalated

5:51

to the point however that they exhumed

5:53

my mom's body for an autopsy. The

5:56

family had no warning. We went to

5:58

visit her grave and her body had been dug. I

6:00

don't know about the results of the autopsy yet,

6:02

but I feel extremely violated. I

6:05

just want to grieve. I'm hurt my

6:07

aunt would cause so much trouble as

6:09

anyone experienced anything like this. I feel

6:11

so alone the day Tammy is exhumed

6:14

Chad text Alex asking how he's doing

6:16

and Alex says he's winded every time

6:18

he stands up and his resting pulse

6:20

is 100 at 1153 a.m Alex

6:24

says I feel like the poison from

6:26

the spear and the heart has done

6:29

some residual damage Chad tells Alex He's

6:31

paid the bills on the Rexburg house

6:33

and Alex says he was just gonna let it go along

6:35

with all of his stuff there 1215

6:38

p.m. Melanie's calls Alex 1138

6:41

Alex calls Chad 1247

6:44

p.m. Alex text Melanie's that's

6:46

a big no-go on your stuff. Just

6:48

buy a new computer They don't give it

6:50

back to you. They're holding it for leverage until you

6:53

help them. So just write it off This

6:55

is in reference to her computer that

6:57

was seized during that search warrant in

6:59

Rexburg December 12th Investigators note

7:02

the last activity on Alex's phone

7:04

was a call to Chad

7:06

and Lori on the Raphael number other

7:08

than that There's very little communication from

7:10

Alex and Alex dies suspiciously

7:13

in, Gilbert, Arizona Ironically,

7:15

this was the date of the all-agency

7:18

meeting where all the different police departments

7:20

and investigators from all the different states

7:22

Get together to talk about the case

7:25

At the end of the meeting Gilbert PD was

7:27

informed Alex had been the subject of a 911

7:29

call Then the

7:31

detective later learned Alex was dead. Of course,

7:34

they were wanting to talk to Alex

7:36

about Charles fallow's murder You

7:39

think about how much information died

7:41

with him? There are so many things

7:43

we will never know Before

7:45

his death. He did receive that priesthood

7:47

blessing over the phone from Chad his

7:49

cause of death Ultimately was blood clots

7:52

to the lungs on

7:54

my youtube channel I have all of the body

7:56

cam footage from the residents as well as the

7:58

hospital when they're trying to It's

8:00

hard to hear some of the audio

8:02

on these, so I have episodes where

8:04

I just walk through these videos and

8:07

talk about what's going on. December 14th,

8:09

in an email between investigators, one

8:11

says he has spoken with Ian

8:13

Pulaski that evening and Chad

8:15

and Lori called Melanise that night.

8:17

Chad and Lori told Melanise that

8:19

Rexburg PD had contacted two of

8:21

Chad's kids and threatened to

8:24

exhume Tammy's body. Chad and

8:26

Lori thought this was a lie. Law

8:28

enforcement notes that Chad and Lori apparently

8:30

have no clue. Tammy was already exhumed

8:33

and they didn't volunteer that information to Ian

8:35

either. Chad and Lori told Melanise they were

8:37

being bullied by Rexburg PD and they planned

8:40

to get a lawyer to represent them and

8:42

Chad's kids. Chad said his

8:44

kids would refer law enforcement to that

8:46

lawyer. Chad and Lori also heard a

8:48

rumor the FBI is involved, but they

8:51

thought it was a scare tactic. Little

8:53

did they know. December 18th, Chad's

8:55

parents, Jack and Sheila, are interviewed by

8:57

Rexburg PD. December

8:59

19th, Ian admits to Melanise he had been

9:02

talking to the FBI and recording their

9:04

conversations. There is a second

9:06

search warrant on December 19th executed

9:08

at Alex's townhome. That was with

9:10

a forensics unit. There was no

9:12

biological evidence found in those townhomes.

9:14

December 20th, the first media reports

9:16

about JJ and Tylee hit the

9:18

internet and TV. Rexburg

9:20

PD announced the investigation the same

9:23

day. Lori accesses that school app

9:25

of JJ's. December 21st, 2019, investigators

9:27

take photos of the residents Lori

9:30

and Chad were staying in while

9:32

they were in Hawaii. Colby contacts

9:34

investigators after seeing media reports about

9:37

JJ and Tylee saying he was concerned

9:39

for their well-being. In an email between

9:41

agencies, they say, it sounds like some

9:43

of Chad's children. I think with Garth,

9:45

Leah and Leah's husband will be

9:48

traveling to Hawaii to spend Christmas with Chad

9:50

and Lori, but will not be staying with

9:52

them, but at a friend's home instead. They

9:55

will likely travel on December 23rd, but

9:57

nothing is confirmed at this time. 23rd,

10:00

2019, an attorney briefly hired by

10:03

Lori and Chad issue a statement

10:05

saying Chad Daybell was a loving husband and

10:07

has the support of his children in this

10:09

matter. Lori Daybell is a

10:12

devoted mother and resents assertions to

10:14

the contrary. We look forward to

10:16

addressing the allegations once they have moved

10:18

beyond speculation and rumor. The same day,

10:20

8.20 p.m. investigators go

10:22

to Zulema's house with a search warrant

10:24

to seize Alex's truck. Investigators asked Zulema

10:27

if she knew where JJ and Tylee

10:29

were and she said she did not.

10:32

They reinforced to her they weren't going to take

10:34

the kids, they just needed to check

10:36

their welfare. The investigator told

10:38

Zulema they didn't believe she didn't know where

10:40

the kids were. Zulema said she had nothing

10:42

to be afraid of and they could talk to her

10:45

attorney. She brings the keys out, they

10:47

process that truck for evidence. Also, on

10:50

this day, Melanise and Ian are interviewed

10:52

by the FBI. December 24th, Melanise and

10:54

Ian show up at her dad's house

10:56

at 10.30 p.m. looking

10:59

for her kids. She calls and asks

11:01

to visit saying she was 4 minutes away but

11:03

she was already sitting out front. Her dad thinks

11:05

this was to see if the kids would be

11:07

moved before she got there. She tells her

11:10

dad she has Christmas presents, she

11:12

refused to answer questions about JJ and

11:14

Tylee and when asked who shot Brandon

11:16

she said, how do you know

11:18

Brandon didn't shoot his own vehicle? How

11:21

do you know one of his work buddies didn't

11:23

shoot him? Melanise cried about the death of Alex

11:25

to her dad and also just at the mention

11:28

of Lori. Melanise asked

11:30

to go to the basement where all of her

11:32

siblings were. She went down there, spoke for about

11:34

5 minutes and then came upstairs and left. Her

11:37

dad thinks she went into the basement just to see

11:39

if the kids were there. In all, she stayed around

11:42

45 minutes and after this visit she cut

11:44

off all communication with her dad. In the

11:46

midst of all this, Kay is providing information

11:48

to authorities in Arizona. December 27th Lori and

11:51

Chad are seen under surveillance. In that

11:54

photo, a couple of Chad's kids are

11:56

there. December 30th Rexburg PD and the

11:58

FBI published their press. release announcing

12:00

that JJ and Tylee are missing and

12:02

asked for the public's help. January 3rd,

12:05

2020, the FBI and

12:07

the Brexburg PD executed search warrant at

12:09

Chad and Tammy Daybell's house. They

12:11

use metal detectors around the house. 43

12:15

items of interest are taken, including

12:17

electronic devices, journals, medications,

12:19

and papers. I think

12:21

this stuff is going to come in in a big way

12:23

in Chad's trial where it did

12:26

it in Lori's. Prosecutors

12:28

don't need to show everything they have.

12:30

They just needed to show that jury in

12:32

Lori's trial enough to get a conviction.

12:35

And I think we're going to hear about it

12:37

throughout the course of Chad's trial. January 6th, Kay

12:39

and Larry Woodcock have an interview with Brexburg

12:41

PD. They give background

12:43

information that needed to be followed

12:45

up on in Arizona. Also January

12:47

6th, a search warrant is served

12:49

on JJ school in Arizona. January

12:52

7th, Melanie's has her court date

12:54

for trespassing. Also Kay and Larry

12:56

have a press conference and offer a $20,000 reward

12:58

for information

13:01

about the whereabouts of JJ and Tylee.

13:03

January 8th, Melanie's was supposed to meet

13:05

with detectives, but she didn't show. Friend

13:07

of Melanie's talks to investigators and

13:09

asked if she's pregnant and investigators

13:12

do confirm to this friend that

13:14

she is pregnant. They also

13:16

say they believe she is in deep with the

13:18

group and said Melanie's would take

13:20

Lori's secrets to the grave for her. They

13:23

say this group will place the

13:25

dark person tag on anyone who

13:27

conflicts with their belief system. The

13:30

investigator also says they feel Melanie's

13:32

may feel even more alone in

13:34

the future as Chad and Lori

13:36

may go deeper into hiding. Also

13:38

on this day, January 8th, Lori

13:40

accesses JJ school app again. January

13:42

16th, a child protection action was

13:44

filed in Madison County, Idaho on

13:47

behalf of JJ and Tylee. Lori

13:49

was ordered to produce the children within

13:52

five days to the Rexburg PD or

13:54

the Idaho department of health and

13:56

welfare. She was served with this

13:58

order on January. 25th in

14:00

Hawaii. She was poolside in

14:03

a teeny bikini reading

14:05

books. Chad was there. Lori

14:07

takes the paperwork, kind

14:09

of looks up at the officer, giving

14:11

it to her like, why are you

14:13

bothering me? Chad on the other hand,

14:15

inching closer towards Lori to see if

14:17

he can read. He always seems way

14:19

more nervous than Lori. January 26th, Lori

14:22

and Chad are seen on a beach

14:24

in Hawaii by the FBI because they

14:26

were under surveillance. A search

14:28

warrant is executed in their black Ford Explorer

14:30

they had rented. I just

14:32

rewatched the body cam footage and Lori

14:34

immediately gets the paperwork when she gets

14:36

out of the car and looks them

14:38

over. In her possession, they found JJ

14:40

and Tylee's birth certificates, Tylee's

14:42

bank card, JJ's iPad which

14:45

had his initials on the back, a

14:47

second iPad that was logged into JJ's

14:49

Apple account and JJ's

14:51

school registration receipts from Kennedy

14:53

Elementary in Idaho. Tylee's

14:56

bank card was active and had been

14:58

used since the last time Tylee was

15:00

seen alive. They're putting separate police cars

15:02

in there questioned. The same day, search

15:05

warrants are executed at their condo in

15:07

Hawaii. In the garage, they found

15:09

two beach chairs, two yoga mats and two

15:11

beach towels. No toys, kids items

15:14

were seen. This is the same day. We

15:16

all see Nate Eaton following them with

15:18

a microphone in their face asking, where

15:21

are your kids Lori? You'd also be

15:23

there to greet her in Rexburg after

15:25

she was extradited asking her the same

15:27

questions. January 29th, Kay and Larry file

15:29

for emergency custody of JJ. The same

15:31

day, Lori and Chad move out of

15:34

their condo to the Kauai Beach Resort.

15:37

January 30th of 2020, the deadline

15:39

passes for Lori to produce JJ

15:41

and Tylee. In some emails between

15:43

investigators, some of the things that

15:45

were said, Lori took pictures of

15:47

the computer screen mostly booking confirmations

15:49

for airfare, hotel and car rental. They

15:51

talk about how this computer may be

15:54

beneficial when they seize it. At this point,

15:56

they don't see that Lori is communicating with

15:58

anybody through text messages. They note

16:00

she's careful not to discuss anything and will

16:02

just ask people to call her. They

16:05

contacted the maker of the wedding bands from

16:07

Etsy. He informs them he had to cancel

16:09

that order. And they also note

16:12

how ironic it is that Lori books

16:14

the Phoenix to Idaho flight the

16:16

day after. Tammy dies. They

16:18

also say the metadata on the phone helps

16:21

with premeditation. Lori retains her first attorney

16:24

there in Hawaii. January

16:26

31st Lori again accesses that school

16:28

app of JJ's. February 2nd 2020

16:30

Lori and Chad attend a service

16:32

at an LDS church in Kauai.

16:36

They are seen speaking with the bishop. They act

16:38

as if everything is fine and they have

16:40

no care in the world. February 4th Lori

16:43

again logs into that school app of JJ's. The

16:45

school is aware she's logging into this. They

16:48

had tried different ways to block it. And

16:51

the police offered to send somebody over to help get

16:53

her off that app. I'm sure

16:55

she's looking to see if there's talk amongst

16:57

the parents or staff about JJ

16:59

being missing. The same day

17:01

Zulina files a probate case in Maricopa

17:03

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forth, investigators talk about audio being

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found on Lori's phone of her

18:48

testimony. They say she's self-prophesizing everything

18:50

she does because her Heavenly Father

18:52

tells her. He says to enjoy

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thinking. February 9th, Lori and Chad visit

19:01

the same church in Hawaii. They are

19:03

caught on camera holding hands as they

19:05

walk in. February 12th, Chad

19:07

and Lori are seen shopping at a

19:10

Costco in Hawaii. February 13th, a detective

19:12

emails a screenshot of a text from

19:14

Lori's iCloud that says this is the

19:16

last mention of JJ. The photo was

19:19

titled, JJ Gone. February 16th, Lori and

19:21

Chad check out of the resort they

19:23

had been staying in. They fly to

19:26

Maui. They're seen renting a

19:28

car at a Hertz counter at the

19:30

Maui airport. February 18th, Chad

19:32

and Lori fly back to Hawaii. East

19:35

Idaho News reported passengers on the plane said

19:37

they held hands and they were very lovey-dovey.

19:41

The same day, a neighbor of theirs

19:43

in Hawaii saw them riding bikes.

19:45

February 18th, an arrest warrant finally

19:48

issued for Lori. They charged

19:50

her initially with two felony counts

19:52

of desertion and non-supportive children, one

19:55

misdemeanor count of resisting and

19:57

obstructing officers, one misdemeanor.

20:00

of criminal solicitation, one

20:02

misdemeanor count of criminal contempt. They considered

20:04

her a flight risk for these reasons.

20:06

Number one, the day she was confronted

20:08

in Idaho, she fled the state.

20:11

Number two, felony charges are serious with a max

20:13

of 14 years in prison. Number

20:16

three, she has no significant ties

20:18

to Madison County, no home, and

20:20

she has abandoned a significant amount

20:22

of property there. Number four, she displayed

20:25

a willingness to disobey a court order

20:27

by not producing JJ and Tylee. Number

20:30

five, Chad and Lori have

20:32

significant financial resources since

20:34

Chad got the $430,000 life insurance payout from

20:36

Tammy's life insurance policy.

20:40

February 20th, Lori finally is

20:42

arrested in Hawaii around 2.30

20:45

p.m. local time. The next day

20:47

they held a press conference. She was

20:49

booked into the Kauai Police Department

20:51

detention facility and was held

20:53

on $5 million bond. At

20:56

that time, she faced a maximum of

20:58

14 years in prison on those felony

21:00

child abandonment charges. The next day, February

21:03

21st, Lori appears at her bond hearing.

21:06

The attorney argues it should be reduced to $10,000

21:08

and it wasn't. She asked for an extradition

21:13

hearing and Chad was in attendance

21:15

at that hearing. February

21:18

24th, Chad cancels the lease on

21:20

the condo in Hawaii because the

21:22

honeymoon's over. February 25th,

21:25

Chad visits Lori in jail for one

21:28

hour. He's tracked down by ABC News

21:30

reporter Marcus Moore at a gas station.

21:33

When asked if the kids were okay, Chad

21:35

says, I can't comment, I just can't comment.

21:38

When asked by Marcus if there was anything he would

21:40

like to say to people who were concerned

21:42

about the kids, you or your

21:44

wife, Chad said, just grateful

21:47

for any support. We just have

21:49

to wait for the legal process

21:51

to work through. February 26th, Lori

21:53

waves extradition. She also has

21:55

a new attorney who asks again for that

21:57

bond to be lowered. The prosecuting attorney argues

22:00

the bell is sufficient and notes she

22:02

has a history of defying court orders

22:04

recently as well in 2009 and

22:07

2011 in her custody

22:09

battle with Joe Ryan. By

22:11

the way, Chab was not at

22:13

this court hearing. February 29th, Chab

22:15

moves to Rexburg. He goes to

22:17

return an enterprise rental car around 1030

22:20

a.m. and a

22:22

man picked him up from there. March 4th,

22:24

Lori has a status hearing in

22:26

Hawaii and Shane Bishop from Dateline

22:28

tweeted out during an episode on

22:30

the case that Lori complained loudly

22:32

about the conditions at the jail

22:34

in Hawaii. She was there for a

22:36

total of two weeks. March

22:38

5th, the FBI releases that photo

22:40

of JJ and Tylee showing Alex

22:43

in the background in Yellowstone National

22:45

Park. They also show that

22:47

selfie with Lori and JJ. Also

22:49

on March 5th, Lori is extradited

22:51

to Rexburg. She flies commercial

22:53

from Kauai to LA then to Boise.

22:56

People take videos of her coming out of

22:58

a room boarding her flight, walking

23:00

on tarmac. She's wearing a

23:03

Kauai hoodie and leggings. Instead

23:05

of driving Lori from Boise to

23:07

Rexburg, Lori was flown on

23:09

a small law enforcement airplane. March

23:12

6th, Lori's initial appearance in Rexburg.

23:14

Chad was there. This is

23:16

the one where Kay literally stares

23:19

a hole through Lori as she's walking by.

23:22

She was represented by Edwina Elcox, Brian

23:24

Webb, and Mark Means. Lori's attorney argued

23:26

this was a court of law and

23:28

not a court of public opinion and

23:30

the bail must match the charges Lori

23:33

is facing. Again asking that bail be

23:35

lowered to 10,000. The judge in the

23:37

case does lower her bond to 1

23:39

million and Lori was placed

23:41

in a smaller part of the jail

23:43

but not segregation. March

23:46

27th of 2020, Justin Lum

23:48

reports that Chad inquired about

23:50

putting a mobile home on

23:52

his property. I don't think we've ever

23:54

learned where. He wanted to put it. April 7th,

23:57

Fremont County prosecuting attorneys asked the

23:59

attorney to call 911. Attorney General Office to

24:01

assist in the death of Tammy Daybell.

24:03

April 9th, Lori asked to be released

24:05

from custody due to COVID. We're gonna

24:07

jump ahead here, June 2nd, 2020. Investigators

24:11

contact Tammy's sister, Samantha to ask

24:13

about a pet cemetery on Tammy

24:15

and Chas property. She

24:17

confirms they did have one and said

24:20

it was east of the red barn

24:22

near the fire pit. Investigators talked to

24:24

Samantha again on June 4th. Samantha

24:26

tells investigators Tammy had actually shown

24:28

her the pet cemetery before. They

24:31

show Samantha aerial photos of the

24:33

property. She pointed to the area,

24:35

which not only was the pet

24:37

cemetery, but also where the FBI agent

24:40

put together the day after the

24:42

kids were missing. This is where

24:44

Alex phone pinged. June 9th, 2020,

24:47

the day the search warrant is

24:49

executed on Chad Daybell's property. There

24:52

was an investigation discovery special with Kay

24:54

and Larry Woodcock. She was

24:56

called about 745 AM about the

24:58

search at Chad's, but she didn't think they

25:00

were looking for the kids bodies. Rob

25:03

Wood called her around 1 PM to tell her

25:06

they found the kids. There is a gel

25:08

call between Chad and Lori as the property

25:10

is being searched. Chad tells

25:12

her several times they're searching the

25:14

property. Lori says, are they

25:17

seizing stuff? They go back

25:19

and forth. He says he'll be talking to Mark

25:21

Means and that he will

25:23

call her later if he can. Lori says

25:25

she's praying for him, yada, yada, yada. As

25:28

the search is going on, Chad is

25:30

sitting in his car. His car is

25:32

backed in and he is looking and

25:34

when they hit where the

25:36

remains of JJ were, Chad

25:38

floors it, gets out of there. They

25:41

catch up to him and finally, Chad

25:43

Daybell is arrested. We were shown photos

25:45

of the progression of them finding the

25:47

kids bodies during Lori's trial. I'm

25:50

not gonna go through all that right now,

25:52

but you can go back to a daily

25:54

recap that I did after they found the

25:57

kids bodies. Brandon drove through the night to

25:59

Idaho. identify JJ so Kay

26:01

and Larry would not have to. June

26:03

13th they officially announced the

26:05

remains are JJ and Tylee. Detective

26:08

Ron Ball said it was not possible

26:10

to identify Tylee by simply looking at

26:12

the remains because they were too damaged

26:14

by fire and dismemberment and no

26:16

longer had any recognizable features. An

26:20

orthodontist was able to identify the remains

26:22

by matching irregular jaw lines. They were

26:24

also able to obtain DNA from some

26:26

of the soft tissue. We saw these

26:29

photos at trial and JJ

26:31

was able to be identified by his

26:33

facial features and his haircut. June 29th

26:35

another search warrant is executed at Chad's.

26:37

They went inside the house, inside the

26:40

buildings on the property. There was another

26:42

search warrant on June 29th. The same

26:45

day, Lori is charged with two counts

26:47

of conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration, or

26:49

concealment of evidence. So I'm not gonna

26:51

go through all the court dates. May

26:53

8th of 2021 Lori's case

26:55

is placed on hold for a

26:57

competency evaluation. And May

27:00

25th murder charges announced for Lori and

27:02

Chad. June 8th Lori was committed to

27:04

the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare

27:07

after a psychologist said she was not

27:09

fit for trial. She stayed

27:11

there almost a year. June

27:14

9th Chad pleads not guilty to

27:16

all charges. On June

27:18

24th of 2021 Lori was

27:20

indicted for Charles Vallow's murder with

27:22

one count of conspiracy to commit

27:25

murder. Also one count of

27:27

conspiracy to commit murder for Brandon. Investigators

27:29

said they would not indict Chad

27:31

due to the likelihood he would

27:34

not be convicted. April 3rd

27:36

2023 Lori Vallow's trial begins in

27:39

Boise, Idaho. And on May

27:41

12th of 2023 she was

27:43

found guilty on all charges. She

27:46

was sentenced on July 31st.

27:48

Let's listen to her allocution statement that she

27:50

gave in court. We could

27:52

all hear a pin drop. I'd like to

27:54

start by quoting John

27:56

from the New Testament in the Bible. On

28:00

chapter 8 verse 7 Jesus says,

28:03

He that is without sin among you, let

28:05

him cast first cast a stone at her.

28:08

Then in verse 15 Jesus

28:10

says, you judge after

28:13

the flesh, I judge no man. And

28:16

yet if I judge, my

28:18

judgment is true. Jesus

28:22

knows me and

28:25

Jesus understands me. I

28:29

mourn with all of you who mourn

28:31

my children and Tammy. Jesus

28:37

Christ knows the truth

28:39

of what happened here.

28:43

Jesus Christ knows that no

28:45

one was murdered in this

28:48

case. Accidental

28:50

deaths happen, suicides

28:53

happen, fatal

28:55

side effects of medications happen.

29:00

I have a different perspective in life

29:03

because in 2002 when

29:06

I was pregnant with Tylee, I

29:08

died in the hospital while in

29:10

labor with her. They tried to

29:12

stop my labor, they put me

29:14

on the table and they put something in

29:16

my IV and I felt my spirit falling

29:18

to the floor. I

29:22

was standing near my pregnant body and

29:25

watching the doctors try to revive me which took them a few

29:27

minutes. In that time,

29:31

my sister Stacy was standing to my left.

29:34

I turned to hug her and was

29:36

surprised that her spirit was

29:38

as tangible as a physical body

29:41

because I knew I was in spirit and she was

29:43

in spirit. She

29:46

said she needed to show me some things and we

29:48

went to heaven. I

29:51

later returned to my body. Because

29:55

of this experience, I have access

29:57

to heaven and the spirit world.

30:01

Since then, I have had many communications

30:04

from people now living in heaven, including

30:07

my children, Tylee

30:09

Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson,

30:12

my sisters, Stacy and

30:14

Lolly, my aunts and

30:17

my uncles, and my grandparents. I

30:20

have had many communications with Jesus Christ,

30:23

the Savior of this world, and our

30:25

heavenly parents. I

30:27

have had many angelic visitors have

30:29

come and communicated with me and

30:31

even manifested themselves to me. Because

30:35

of these communications, I know

30:37

for a fact that my

30:40

children are happy and

30:42

busy in the spirit world. Because

30:46

of my communications with my friend,

30:48

Tammy Daybell, I know

30:50

that she is also very happy

30:53

and extremely busy. I

30:56

have always mourned the loss of

30:58

my loved ones, and I have

31:00

lost many in this mortal world.

31:03

However, I know

31:06

that more than most people, I

31:08

know where they are now and what

31:11

they're doing. I know how

31:13

wonderful heaven is, and I'm

31:15

homesick for it every single

31:17

day. I

31:19

know we all lived in heaven before we

31:21

were born on earth, and we were all

31:23

adult spirits in the heavenly realm. We

31:26

chose to come to earth as mortals. Heaven

31:30

is more wonderful than you can

31:32

possibly imagine. I

31:34

do not fear death, but I

31:36

look forward to it. I

31:40

did not want to return to my body when I

31:42

was out of it, even though

31:44

my son Colby, who I adored more than

31:46

anything, was only six years old at the

31:48

time, and I was about to give birth

31:50

to this new baby girl that I wanted

31:52

so badly. I

31:57

was a young mother, and you

31:59

would see her. I wouldn't want to leave my

32:01

children, but as I stood in heaven, I did

32:03

not want to go back. I thought they would

32:05

be fine without me

32:08

because I was peaceful and I was

32:10

happy and I was home.

32:15

But then I was told by

32:17

Jesus that I needed to go

32:19

back and complete things that I had covenanted

32:21

or promised to do before I was born.

32:24

This caused me a lot of distress

32:27

because I knew heaven was my

32:29

real home and I only wanted

32:31

to be there. I was free

32:33

from pain, emotional and physical.

32:35

But then I was shown how

32:38

I would help my children and others

32:40

in the future. So ultimately I did

32:42

agree to go back to

32:46

my body.

32:49

Tylee has

32:51

visited me. She

32:53

is happy and very

32:55

busy. Tylee is free now

32:57

from all the pains of her life.

33:01

Tylee suffered horrible physical pain

33:03

her whole life. I

33:07

sat with Tylee in the hospital

33:09

year after year after year while

33:11

she screamed in pain when the

33:13

morphine wasn't even enough to take

33:15

away the pain of her pancreatitis.

33:18

I sat there while she cried and I held

33:20

back her hair while she threw up and

33:22

I am the only person on this

33:25

earth who knows how much

33:27

Tylee suffered in her life. She

33:30

had pain every single day. She

33:32

never felt good. Her

33:35

body did not work right and I don't know

33:37

if that was from complications from me

33:39

dying while she was being born

33:41

or something else. But she had

33:43

a very difficult life. She

33:46

was sexually abused by her own biological

33:49

father since she was three years old

33:52

and she was forced by family court to

33:54

go visit him for 10 years against

33:57

her will. I

33:59

fought for her. In court,

34:02

I protected her. I tried to

34:04

protect her with my whole life.

34:07

I tried to protect her. I worried

34:09

about her every single day. Kylie

34:12

had to get her GED because she

34:14

couldn't go to school every day because

34:16

she never felt good. She felt sick.

34:20

Nobody knows this because Kylie, like myself, tries

34:23

to put on a good friend, tries

34:25

to be a happy person, tries

34:27

to have hope in life, tries to know

34:30

that she's here for a purpose and that

34:32

she has an eternal purpose to be on

34:34

this earth. But I never stopped worrying about

34:36

her. One

34:38

of the times that Kylie came to me

34:40

as a spirit after she died, she said,

34:43

she commanded me, and she said

34:45

to me, stop worrying, Mom. We

34:47

are fine. She

34:49

knows how I worry and how I miss

34:52

her. The

34:56

first time JJ visited me after he passed away, he

35:01

put his arm around me and he

35:03

said to me, do

35:06

anything wrong, Mom. I

35:09

love you and I know

35:11

you loved me every minute of my

35:13

life. JJ,

35:18

Joshua Jackson, was

35:20

an adult spirit and

35:23

he was very, very tall when he put his

35:25

arm around me. He

35:30

is busy, he is engaged, he has

35:32

jobs that he does there and he

35:34

is happy where

35:36

he is. His life was short,

35:39

but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ

35:42

was a wonderful person and

35:44

touched the lives of everyone and I

35:46

adored him every minute of his life.

35:51

My eternal friend Tammy Daybell has

35:53

visited me on several occasions. She

35:57

came to bring me peace and comfort and

35:59

I know. that she is extremely

36:01

busy helping her family, especially

36:03

her children and grandchildren. And

36:06

I have a great love for Tammy. My

36:14

beautiful children, Kylie Ashlyn

36:16

and Joshua Jackson, rest

36:19

safely this day in the arms

36:21

of Jesus. My

36:23

wonderful friend, Tammy Daybell, rest

36:25

safely this day in

36:27

the arms of Jesus. And

36:29

I look forward to the day when we

36:31

are all reunited and I too will

36:34

rest with them in the arms of my

36:36

Jesus. I don't know how anybody who

36:38

was family in that courtroom did not

36:40

catch a charge for jumping over that little

36:43

divider there and letting her have

36:45

it. It was just something,

36:47

y'all. To hear it now is

36:49

mind blowing. To have been in that

36:51

room, you could have heard

36:54

a pin drop. And we were all

36:56

just looking at each other like, wow.

36:58

Glory is now in Maricopa County, Arizona

37:00

for those charges pending there. The

37:03

beginning of the end of the

37:05

long road to justice finally begins.

37:08

Come join me on my YouTube. Tomorrow I'm

37:10

doing a lunchtime live with Law and Crime

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37:14

day and on the days I'm not doing

37:16

a live with Law and Crime, I'll be

37:18

doing a Q&A on my YouTube at lunchtime.

37:20

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