0:00

Hard

0:02

in the direction, but I'm Pablo Torre. And, Tony,

0:04

I am guessing I'm back because you've been

0:06

impressed by the work I've been doing on the online

0:08

show debatable. Yeah.

0:11

I'm Tony Corners. Look at me.

0:13

Do you think I've ever watched an online

0:15

show? Not There is no change.

0:17

I don't I don't wanna go online. Have

0:19

you ever sent an emoji? I text with you

0:21

a lot. I've never seen -- Nope. --

0:23

you get into the emoji. I don't your

0:25

emoji. GI's. I don't emoji's.

0:28

And I don't know what it means when things are

0:31

pinned, and I have to ask my son, my

0:33

go to correct my phone almost every

0:35

day as things have popped up that I don't

0:37

understand. Don't under the bat door. Well, I'm gonna

0:39

be surprised. boys and girls. Wilbon

0:42

apparently has better things to do, so

0:44

I'm joined by our great friend from the ESPN

0:46

daily and debatable podcast. And

0:53

we begin today with the news that

0:55

Robert Sarber is seeking a buyer

0:57

for the Phoenix Suns and Phoenix Mercury. Cerberus

1:00

said he had hoped to be able to use the one year

1:02

suspension to work on himself and

1:04

come back a better person, but he conceded that

1:07

coming back is no longer viable and he

1:09

will sell his teams. Pablo, what is

1:11

your reaction? My reaction is that it's

1:13

a hell of a thing when your punishment involves

1:15

making billions of dollars. Right? This is the

1:17

punishment. Sell the team. Get paid

1:19

for it. So that's note number one. Note number

1:21

two, Tony. Adam Silver got

1:23

a break here. And I say that because

1:26

this is going to be a thing

1:28

that makes his life easier now. The

1:30

NBA's life easier getting Robert

1:32

Sarber out of the league via parachute

1:34

cord pulled by Robert Sarver is

1:36

a brake to the league.

1:38

It's a brake though. I wanna make this clear.

1:40

It's a brake that came at a price

1:42

And to me, the price was some

1:45

part of the reputation of Adam Silver.

1:47

Adam Silver could have done something more

1:50

than one year and ten million dollars

1:52

In terms of a fine, he did not.

1:54

He is the employee of owners. I get

1:56

it. Let's be realistic about that too. But

1:58

now we have the situation

1:59

where seems like the players The

2:02

players, Tony, public backlash to

2:04

that punishment. That's why we got something

2:06

resembling to employees of this team, current

2:08

and former,

2:09

like justice. So

2:11

let me go point by point on what

2:13

you said in the beginning of the fact that he

2:15

will make a pile of dough. He will

2:17

make a pile of dough.

2:19

At that point, he will be another rich

2:21

guy. He won't be a rich guy with

2:23

a team. and on that level

2:25

of rich guys who own teams, they

2:27

hold on to those teams forever and

2:30

ever and ever if they can because that distinguishes

2:32

them from the other guy, or the yachts

2:34

in the marina. Okay? Let me

2:36

go to Adam Silver. There was an enormous

2:39

miscalculation here. Adam

2:41

Silver was the only person who

2:43

liked the idea that said, hey, we'll kick him

2:45

out for a year and then we'll bring him back

2:47

and there'll be an owner like everybody else. Raise

2:49

your hand if you like it. Nobody's hand

2:51

went up. No one says the first public

2:53

miscalculation of Adam Silver. Now

2:55

he ends up

2:57

lucky.

2:58

It turns into Donald Sterling

3:00

because the report makes it clear that

3:02

Robert Sarber has gone over the line

3:04

many times and he had to go.

3:06

So the NBA will look good

3:09

in in terms of how it actually

3:11

plays out, but there was a miscalculation

3:14

here. There was no public support

3:16

at all for Robert Sarbanes.

3:18

The the owners didn't

3:20

touch him publicly commentators

3:23

wanted them out. Players wanted them out.

3:25

I think there's a sigh of relief today

3:27

from Adam Silver and a sigh of relief

3:29

from other owners who don't have to do

3:31

what Draymond Green suggested, would you

3:33

stand up and be counted on this particular

3:36

guy? Right? And there's no question. Tony,

3:38

you're right. there's no question that owners here

3:40

were given a break because the standard

3:42

of what it takes to eject one of

3:44

them by the league itself they

3:46

didn't have to meet it. Robert Sarvers said

3:48

in

3:48

his statement, you know, you talk about

3:50

words and stuff. Look, I wanna say this one thing

3:52

about Robert Sarvers' statement. He made this so

3:55

much about effectively cancel

3:57

culture. How he said some words that

3:59

he can no longer

4:00

survive? And to me, this story

4:03

Reported

4:03

by Baxter Homes from the very beginning was

4:05

about so much more than words. It was about

4:07

a guy running a company

4:10

and a workplace that had racism and misogyny

4:12

in it and made it inhospitable to the employees.

4:15

And that's more important to aid than just

4:17

complaining about words. Let

4:19

me

4:19

give Wilbon credit here. because for

4:21

years, Wilbon has sat where you're sitting

4:23

now. Mhmm. And he has

4:25

said stories that he heard

4:27

when he was in Arizona about Robert Sarver,

4:29

how he made employees uncomfortable all

4:31

the time. how he said things that shouldn't be said,

4:33

and he acted in a way to bigfoot

4:35

everybody all the time. And he said,

4:37

there's trouble there. And he said that a couple of

4:39

years ago. and he said it would not

4:41

stand what Adam Silver decided to do now.

4:43

And he's been a hundred percent right. We move now

4:45

to Aaron Judge, hitting number

4:47

sixty last night becoming only the third

4:49

American league player to ever reach

4:51

sixty alongside babe Ruth and Roger

4:53

Maris. Additionally,

4:55

Judge raised his batting average to three sixteen.

4:57

He is now leading the American League in batting

4:59

average. Home runs and or beyond.

5:01

Pablo assuming judge wins a triple crown, which

5:03

is the bigger deal. The

5:05

triple crown or the sixty or more.

5:07

Tony,

5:07

I love this story, not just because

5:10

I get to indulge in my Yankee Homerism,

5:12

but because I get to do something that I didn't

5:14

expect to do, which is actually think

5:17

that the triple crown makes Aaron

5:19

Judge a plausible MVP

5:21

candidate. I've been in this chair with you talking

5:23

about how show you how Tani is obviously the answer

5:25

here. And part of me still does believe

5:27

that. But here is what the triple crown does

5:29

for Aaron Judge. he makes him the

5:31

only person if he gets it to get

5:33

the triple crown and sixty

5:35

home runs and so far in

5:37

only a hundred and forty seven games. he

5:39

is having a season offensively.

5:41

That is all time and arguably

5:44

like

5:44

unprecedented. And to

5:45

me, it's a triple crown

5:48

that adds this other dimension that was missing

5:50

and we debated the story before.

5:52

Triple crown is a very rare Miguel

5:54

Cabrera got one recently, but

5:56

there's only that's the only one in the last fifty

5:59

five years. It's an enormous achievement

6:01

to get a triple crown. I

6:03

think if you get the triple crown and you

6:05

hit

6:06

sixty two or more, I

6:08

could make a case or try to make a case that's

6:10

one of It's

6:11

the greatest season ever, but I can be talk

6:13

down to one of the greatest seasons of

6:15

all time. And by the way, I I was told

6:17

this today that allegedly when babe Ruth, because it's

6:19

a Ruthian season. and we use

6:21

that as a

6:22

as a modifying -- Really there. --

6:24

when when Ruth got to sixty, the direct

6:26

quote allegedly is

6:28

sixty. sixty. Let's

6:30

see some other SLB match that.

6:33

Let's look at a judge right now.

6:35

Judge has hit nine home runs in his last fifteen

6:37

games. He's got fifteen games left so he could

6:39

go 678

6:41

home runs and nobody would bat an

6:43

eye. At my age, Pablo,

6:46

the baseball that I've studied

6:47

The number one number of all time

6:50

is the single season home run record

6:52

to me. So I am inclined to

6:54

say that if he gets sixty

6:56

six, sixty seven, sixty eight, and

6:58

the only people who ever gone more on Maguire

7:01

and bonds, and they are assumed to be

7:03

cheaters that this is a really big deal, but this

7:05

is nuanced. because he's not gonna

7:07

get to seventy three. And seventy three

7:09

is the record, and he's not gonna get to

7:11

that. So then I look differently at the

7:13

triple crown. because one in

7:15

the last fifty five years as opposed

7:17

to Sosa, Maguire, and bonds

7:20

far more recently going over

7:22

sixty multiple times. Well, for

7:23

my answers, all the questions, I don't know.

7:25

I don't know. Yeah. But all of the

7:27

numbers you've thrown out here and by the way, like, what

7:29

a game this was with the Yankee's winning on this

7:32

Stan, Nom, Run, Walk Up Deal. The

7:34

number that will matter is the number

7:36

of commas in the contract.

7:38

Aaron Judd is about to decide I've been betting on

7:40

himself and doing this. But we move on now, I

7:42

think, to the NFL. Because the dolphins

7:44

are a surprising two and o and now face

7:46

the mighty Buffalo Bills.

7:48

And Dolphin coach Mike McDaniel, who I love.

7:50

He says of the match up quote, what better

7:52

opportunity than playing the best and

7:54

seeing where you're at. and

7:56

quote. So are you counting out

7:58

the dolphins, Tony?

8:00

Okay. I don't count out teams when they're the

8:02

home teams. I don't count out teams when

8:04

they're two and o, not even the giants.

8:07

I don't do that.

8:09

I think Buffalo is the better team right

8:11

now, but in terms of incentive,

8:14

think Miami has more incentive.

8:16

I remember

8:17

quite vividly great New England teams

8:20

regularly going to Miami and losing.

8:22

So I asked Matt

8:23

Keller, today, does that happen with Buffalo?

8:26

And he told me the last three times that

8:28

they've played,

8:28

and Josh Allen has been the quarterback

8:31

Buffalo has won that game in Miami, and I

8:33

wanna give you the numbers here. Thirty

8:34

seven twenty in two thousand nineteen,

8:37

thirty one twenty eight in two thousand

8:39

twenty in last hello, thirty

8:41

five nothing. Josh

8:42

Allen has thrown nine touchdown

8:44

passes and only had one interception, and

8:46

Buckleau has outscored Miami in

8:48

Miami, let's get the numbers. Oh,

8:50

it's only a hundred three to

8:52

forty eight. So while I don't

8:54

count out the dolphins Pablo and I don't

8:56

count them out, I

8:58

think

8:58

that Buffalo should be clearly

9:01

a strong favorite here

9:03

to win this game. I don't Yeah.

9:05

I I count the dolphins in because it's

9:07

a way more fun way to live. I

9:10

watched Tyria Kill. I watched Jalen

9:12

Waddle. I watched this offense. I see

9:14

potential. that is mind blowing. And I love

9:16

this game because we're gonna find out some

9:18

stuff. This dolphins offense

9:20

engineered by Mike McDaniel With all of moving

9:22

parts into a tonnage by low as his conductor

9:24

who threw six touchdowns in, like, almost five

9:26

hundred yards last week, we're gonna find

9:28

out is the

9:30

Bill's defense, which so far

9:33

happens to be incredible, by the way.

9:35

Can they That's slow down this

9:37

offense. And I don't know the answer.

9:39

but I believe that the dolphins are good enough to be

9:41

in this. And the bills defense, Tony, when we

9:43

talk about this, plus fifty

9:45

five the bills are IN TERMS OF POINT

9:47

DIFFERENTIAL BECAUSE THEIR DEFENCE IS

9:49

AS GOOD SO FAR AS JOSH Allen HAS

9:51

BEEN OFFENSIVELY. SO

9:53

I'M GOING TO PRAISE McDaniel IN THIS

9:55

REGARD. I think it's great to stand up and say

9:57

bring it on. They're a great team. Let's

9:59

see

9:59

how great they are. Let's measure

10:02

ourselves. So even if you get destroyed,

10:04

You go

10:04

in there eagerly. Right? Yes.

10:07

Where you and I might differ is

10:09

I have a little bit more doubt

10:11

about tour in this

10:13

matchup, than I do about Josh Allen. doing

10:15

that. Because Josh Allen's giving you three

10:17

years of knowing what he's doing. Let's take

10:19

a break. Coming up, what

10:21

happened to the Raven's defense in the second half

10:23

against the dolphins? We're gonna ask Programmable.

10:26

We'll also ask him whether the

10:28

colts are fixable. So

10:30

give me a number. When it's all

10:32

said and done, how many will judge have? Ugh.

10:35

I

10:35

think he gets

10:37

like sixty four. I see

10:39

sixty four, Tony. And the

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12:02

McFarlane this week. wearing the

12:04

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12:06

North Carolina, where booger is

12:08

usually Dormy at fifteen or sixteen.

12:10

Let's start with this

12:12

what happened, booger, to the Raven's

12:14

defense in the second half

12:16

against the dolphins. They gave up

12:18

four touchdown passes in the fourth

12:20

quarter You're defensive guy. What

12:22

happened?

12:23

Yeah.

12:24

You know what, Tony? It's really a

12:27

continuation of last year. like they were ranked

12:29

dead last in past defense last year,

12:31

and I realized that they had some guys

12:33

hurt. Now this year, it's more

12:35

inexperienced in a lack of communication and

12:37

a defensive coronator or former Wayne

12:39

Martindale is now in New York. You got

12:41

some young guys in Kyle Hamilton

12:43

and Gionama Davis in the secondary,

12:45

along with Marcus Peters,

12:47

It it just seems like right now, they're not com

12:49

communicating well together, giving up deep

12:51

passes. And by no way, shape or

12:53

form, is that an excuse? because I think

12:55

me, you and Pablo know that if I see

12:57

Tower Rig Hill out there, I'm gonna

12:59

put someone on him, but Baltimore just

13:01

said, you know what? Let's not cover the fastest

13:03

guy in NFL. Burger.

13:06

Burger. Speaking of the

13:08

obvious, the team that you know so well, the team you

13:10

want a Super Bowl with, the cults, They're

13:13

also terrible right now. They get

13:15

the Chiefs this weekend, Frank

13:17

Reich, their coach says he's trying not

13:19

to overreact. What is

13:21

going on? Is that seem fixable to you? What's

13:23

happening in India?

13:25

Yeah. Listen, I I think it would be easy

13:27

to fix my my hair and talk hair

13:30

problem than the fix the issue with Indianapolis

13:32

Coach. And it's really simple. Like, Matt

13:34

Ryan is no longer the Matt Ryan of

13:36

twenty sixteen when he he took Atlanta

13:38

Falcon's to the Super Bowl. Right now, Matt

13:40

Ryan is a guy who can really be AAAA

13:43

point guard and kinda distribute the ball the

13:45

courts are asking him to be more than that.

13:47

They're asking for the MVP type

13:50

that run. We know that they don't have a lot

13:52

of explosive players at the

13:54

YRC position. Michael Pittman Junior missed the

13:56

last game. But even when he's in there, they don't

13:58

have enough playmakers. And so when you take

13:59

away the run game, Now you're putting

14:02

everything on Matt Ryan. And,

14:04

god, let's just be honest. Matt Ryan

14:06

is, you know, not defeating

14:08

father time. And so, therefore, the Indianapolis Coats

14:10

are struggling. and I just don't see any way

14:12

it's gonna get better unless

14:14

they can start to play a little better defense

14:16

and run the ball, but that's highly unlikely

14:18

because their linebacker Shaquille Leonard is

14:20

out right now. So

14:21

the idea of you and Tony with

14:23

hair feels like a hallucination. The

14:26

giants right now where I am Bugger

14:28

feel also similarly hallucinatory. I

14:30

don't know whether this two and o team

14:33

is actually good. What is

14:35

happening? Are they for real? What do you see when

14:37

you look and what they got going on and what they're

14:39

growing.

14:40

Well, I'm gonna define for real as are

14:43

they a playoff team this year? I don't

14:45

think so. But I'll tell you what they are,

14:47

is they are a very very well coached

14:49

football team in Brian Day Bowl. He he's

14:51

got the office of line playing at a high

14:53

level. defensively, they're flying

14:55

around. And I think that if you're a giant

14:57

fan, you didn't come into this year saying,

14:59

hey, we're going from zero to

15:01

the playoffs. I think you came into this year

15:03

saying, let's see progress. Let's

15:05

give some stability to our quarterback,

15:07

Daniel Jones, to see if he could be a

15:09

franchise quarterback. Can he stop

15:11

turning the football over. Do we have

15:13

something to build on there? And so

15:15

far, I think they do. And

15:17

you gotta remember something. I think they got the

15:19

right coach which goes a long way to

15:21

answer that question all day for real. More games in

15:23

the NFL are lost than

15:25

won, meaning teams make a lot of mistakes.

15:27

And what Brian Day Bowl has done

15:29

so far he's minimized those

15:31

mistakes. Now if they can continue that, I

15:33

think they can get to eight nine, maybe even

15:35

ten wins. I just don't know if

15:37

getting to the playoffs possible this year, but I

15:39

do like where they're headed. Ten

15:42

wins for the giants. My gosh. I don't

15:44

know that anybody but you is saying that at

15:46

the moment. We'll get John here on this. Kirk

15:48

Cousins threw three interceptions in

15:50

the red zone on Monday night in the second

15:52

half in Philadelphia. Are there

15:54

things when you play defense? Are

15:56

there things that you look for that tell

15:58

you when an opposing

15:59

quarterback is about to go right

16:02

over the cliff like Kirk Cousins

16:04

did? Yeah.

16:05

Because, Tony, the little things become

16:08

hard. The simple things become

16:10

complex. Like taking the check down and

16:12

the flat, a hundred times out of a hundred

16:14

doesn't become second

16:16

nature. III think the knock on Kurt

16:18

Cousins has always been that when you get him

16:20

outside of the system, can he

16:22

be special? And as long as the

16:24

system is in place, he's performed pretty

16:26

well. Well, what you saw the other night with

16:28

the new coaching staff, Kevin O'Connell,

16:30

he brought in a lot of new things on the

16:32

offense and week one, it went great.

16:34

Week two, it didn't. I'm not ready to panic

16:36

on Kurt Cousins, but if he doesn't

16:38

start doing the simple little things, and I

16:40

think the whole the old attitude of

16:42

falling off a cliff may be true, but I

16:44

still believe in what they're doing. like

16:46

how schematically they're

16:48

different. Remember under Mike Zimmer, it was

16:50

three yards in a cloud of dust and play

16:52

defense. So now the Kevin O'Connor, it's

16:54

motions the offense looks different.

16:56

Everybody feels a lot, but

16:58

we've only seen it one week. So let's see what we

17:00

see going forward. as far as the

17:02

rest of the season. But I do think Kurt Cousins

17:04

has to pick his level of play up because

17:06

they have weapons everywhere. And right now, he's gotta get

17:08

the ball to them. As

17:11

always,

17:11

booger, it's a great pleasure. Thank you so

17:13

very much. Thank you, booger.

17:16

Anytime,

17:16

guys. Take it easy. Pop! Hello. Good seeing you

17:19

Monday night. Yes,

17:20

sir, likewise. Let's take

17:22

one

17:22

last break. Still to come a

17:24

potentially big development for baseball teams

17:26

and will face the blue j's and the

17:29

playoffs. and Mike Evans, Tony. finds out whether he'll be able to

17:31

play against the packers on Sunday.

17:34

So are you in booger

17:36

boys then? Like, you yeah.

17:38

Like, hang now. Well, I

17:40

mean, look, we're gonna play at all sorts of

17:42

exclusive golf courses, Tony, that I have never

17:44

heard of, but apparently mean quite a bit

17:46

to you. Yes. They don't even

17:48

know what's the weather that's taking

17:50

place. Yeah. I mean, I'll just

17:52

run my hands through my hair and not along

17:54

and you guys do the actual work.

17:57

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today. Happy

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time, people.

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Happy 73rd birthday on is

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Gilmore. History lesson kits. The seven foot

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two Gilmore played college ball at Jacksonville

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was the best player on a

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team lost the NCAA final game to use CLA

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in nineteen seventy, eighty to sixty

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nine. Gilmore signed with the Kentucky

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in the NBA and was both the rookie of the year in

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the league MVP in nineteen seventy two.

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It was MVP of the NBA playoffs

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in nineteen seventy five when

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the colonel's won the championship under Hugo

19:34

Brown. After the merger, Gilmore

19:36

went to the Chicago Bulls. Career numbers

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are eighteen point eight points twelve

19:40

point three rebounds. He's in the hall of fame. On

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a personal note, I heard this story fifty years

19:44

ago. Gilmore went to a car dealer to buy

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a sporty sedan and to

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accommodate his great length, the car dealer removed the

19:51

front seat. Gilmore sat in

19:53

the back to drive. Tony,

19:56

I once interviewed artist Gilmore about

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being so tall. He once told

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me that he went barefoot as a

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twelve year old for the entire year because he

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wore size eighteen shoes. He told me that

20:07

to get jeans, if you would have to buy

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a size sixty and then

20:11

turn horizontal into vertical, it

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has been tough out there, man, for artist Gilmore

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trying to make it in our world. Happy anniversary

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Arizona state on this day twenty six

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years ago. The sun devils led

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by Pat Tillman and Jake Plummer

20:24

Obset number one ranked Nebraska ending the two time

20:26

defending national champions win streak at

20:29

twenty six games with a nineteen to

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nothing shut out in Tempe. Arizona

20:33

State continued its unbeaten season into the

20:35

rose ball where they came within nineteen

20:37

seconds of a likely share of the

20:39

mythical national championship before losing to

20:41

Ohio State finishing eleven in one.

20:44

Bringing the story up to date, both

20:46

Nebraska and Arizona State fired their

20:48

coaches already this season. Scott

20:50

Frost in her headwinds. Popla, which school

20:52

if either will return to football

20:54

prominence first? It feels

20:56

like Arizona State has some natural

20:59

advantages, region temperature, but that

21:01

team. Pat Tillman and Jake

21:03

Plumber, the latter of whom is now a mushroom

21:05

farmer. I would like a documentary about

21:07

what exactly that team and that time in Arizona State's history

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was like. Happy

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trails to Canada's vaccine restrictions

21:15

for travel into the country. According

21:17

to multiple reports by the end of September,

21:19

Canada is likely to drop its vaccine

21:21

requirement for people entering that country. This

21:23

would impact all professional athletes who travel to Canada

21:26

for games. Currently, on vaccinated

21:28

athletes who are not allowed in. If this has changed

21:30

by the end of the month, All

21:32

players on teams facing the Toronto BlueJeans

21:34

should they make the playoffs will be eligible

21:36

to play. The same would follow for teams

21:38

facing the Toronto Raptors and all

21:40

Canadian NHL teams for the vast

21:42

majority of NHL players have

21:44

vaccinated. So congratulations people of

21:46

Canada. Kyrie Irving is coming

21:48

your way. Yes. Open wide your

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third eye neighbors to the north.

21:52

Yes. Do that ASAP. No

21:54

errors

21:54

today if we could go to the big finish please.

21:56

The one game

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suspension of Mike Evans upheld

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on

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appeal, your thoughts. I think Tom

22:02

Brady is about to break another

22:04

tablet against Green Bay on Sunday.

22:06

Meanwhile, the Guardians beat the White Sox in game

22:08

one of their series, is that a wrap on

22:10

the a l central map? It feels

22:12

that way. They are up five with fourteen

22:14

to play. It feels like that's a

22:16

safe lead, especially if they can beat

22:18

the White Sox a couple more times. Robert Williams

22:20

are the Celtics have arthroscopic

22:23

surgery on his left knee this week. Is that pause

22:25

for concern? Of course, it is

22:27

Tony. He had meniscus surgery on that

22:29

same left knee. He is a guy

22:31

who demands a double jump, a balance at

22:33

this whole scale. It's tough to do that with that

22:35

knee. USC, meanwhile, has planted just five

22:37

times in their three wins. Are

22:39

you impressed?

22:40

I wanna see

22:42

USC. I haven't said that many years. I

22:44

wanna see him. I wanna see what Lincoln Riley's

22:46

got. Yeah. They're exciting right

22:48

now. Last one, Roger Federer wants his

22:50

last match to be doubles alongside

22:52

Rafael in the Golf. Is that not

22:54

wonderful? It's wonderful.

22:56

I just demand that they switch clothes.

22:59

I want Rafael. Rafael's wardrobe and vice

23:01

versa. One one time, please.

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We're out of time. We'll try

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to do better the next I'm Tony Cornhuiser.

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