Researchers Arthur Gwagwa and Deb Raji join our host, Natalie Kerby, to discuss data, AI, and automation, and the different ways they operate across geopolitical contexts such as the US and Africa. The episode covers not only the harms that can result from these systems, but also how we might address and prevent those harms.

This season, "Becoming Data," is a partnership between the magazine Public Books and the research institution Data & Society. Follow us on Twitter @PublicBooks and @DataSociety.

View full episode notes and a transcript here.