In the move "The Wizard of Oz" The Wizard says in a scary voice "Pay no Attention to that man behind the curtain"

Chris Baker and Mark J. Ryan know who he is and will tell you!

We both see a lot of shenanigans happening "Behind The Curtains" In the Movies, Politics, The News, TV, Magazines, The Classroom and Politics etc.

Chris Baker sees it through his experience for over 30 years in Media and Radio

Mark J. Ryan sees it in various forms of Changework and Therapy and being then taken into all the above areas to be abused.

What is meant to help folks is being used Control people and for Propaganda.

Chris and Mark have talked about this as friends and on Chris's Radio Shows over the last 30+ years.

We were limited on the air as to what we could say and talk about...NOW the gloves are off and you will be able to listen and talk to us as we talk on private Phone calls.

We are excited to bring to your the "Behind the Curtains" Talk as we talk to each other and our "Behind The Curtains" knowledge in these industries that influence YOU!

Once you have knowledge of how it is done "Behind The Curtains" Their ability to control you can STOP!

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